Full Show Podcast: 17 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello and welcome to mattin title Afternoons full podcast number
eighty eight from Monday to seventh of March twenty twenty five.
Great chat to end up with us bearing a bunch
of weapons and gold coins under concrete now garage, just
in case the crap goes down. Also, also by the end,

(00:38):
our chat on fobs and digital keys ended up with
the end of the World Book of Revelations, and so
it went a long way.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
And we also ask the question why don't children say
hello to their teachers anymore?

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It turns out it's because we're all bad parents, all right,
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Speaker 1 (01:08):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
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Speaker 4 (01:19):
There'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Oh yeah, Welcome into Monday. Matt and Tyler with you
until four pm. Great to have your company as always.
Get a met.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Get a Tyler, get everyone. Fantastic weekend. Went out to
the Warriors on Friday night. Warden oh Wa to come back.
Great time in the stands.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
How were the crowd? What an awesome match from the Warriors.
There would have been absolute chaos.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, no, there was people up there. They blew up
half of Penrose at the halftime fireworks for Tohu Harris, boy,
that was quite a five. I was wondering. I wanted
to check and actually did they let off all the
fireworks accidentally? Because that seemed to be a year's worth
of fireworks.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I could hear them from Mount Wellington? What hell is that?
And then I realized, oh, of course the Warrior's game,
but that went on.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm not normally impressed by a fireworks display, but that
one really got. This is still going well done. This
looks like a couple of hundred thousand where the fireworks
going up there? I also had I also witnessed the
funniest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. Okay,
and it'll be honest, if I share this with you,
it might not come across in the same way as
it experienced life. But I'll give it a go. Okay, okay.

(02:34):
I was that engagement party and it was full, and
it was in this yacht club and people had flyn
from America because the boy out of the Boy and
Girl it was from Ohio. And all the speeches were
on and my good friend leehart I was standing beside him.
He had his daughter had a party back at her

(02:55):
his house, and so he had to get back and
the speeches were running late, but we were locked at
the back with the whole crowd, and then we're the
speeches were over by the door. The only way out, yep.
So to leave, and he had to leave would be
to walk through everyone and across basically across the stage
and out the door, you know, and lead. He's a
tall gentleman, he's you know, it would have it would

(03:15):
have taken away from the speeches recognizable as well.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, So he's going, boy, what can I do here?
And so I say to him, do you think that's
an exit? And I pointed to this cupboard. I go,
do you think that's an exit? And he goes, it
might be maybe this is my way out of here, right,
this exit to the side of us without having going
through the stage. So he goes over to open it,
and he opens the door, this door, and it is

(03:39):
the loudest door that has ever been opened in the world,
And anyone that's seen Leehart's comedy, this feels like it's
a gag that he's putting on. So everyone turns around.
The door goes goes silent and steers at him, and
it's a stationary caboard. So he's standing there with the
stationary cupboard open, and then he goes to shut it

(04:02):
again and once again the loudest ever right in the
middle of the beautiful for wholesome lovey speeches. And then
he's sort of standing there going, Okay, I'm just going
to have to stay here.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, what did he say to you? Did he turn
around and see it? Screw you, man, She really put
me in it there.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
In my defense, I knew that was a cupboard. Stched
them up what was clearly a cupboard. It's like, there's
not some random there's a difference between a cupboard and
an exit. An exit in one of these public places
generally has an exit on the top.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
But he was in a no win predicament and you
gave him an option, a glimmer of hope, and he
took it and you stitched them up. But that is
that is very funny. So in the end, did he
have to just walk through everybody?

Speaker 2 (04:48):
He just had to let his daughter's party, you know,
roll roll at home. Well, the speeches went through, beautiful speeches.
Fantastic engagement party ruined by someone needs to get some
CRC on that exit slash cupboard.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
That's a great story. Right on to today's show. After
three o'clock, we want to have a chat about digital
car keys. They're becoming more common, often offering convenience by
allowing drivers to unlock and start their cars with a smartphone.
But there are big questions around how safe they are.
But you like the idea of not having to have
an old analog key.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I mean this question is around the safety of
an old analog key, because someone can just pick it
up and open your car with it. And if you've
got a fob that then people can just press it
and go and then your lights will flash and then
they'll find out your car is and they'll jump in
it and go away. So I want everything on my phone.
I want an app plus you've just gone through this
where you had to pay seven hundred dollars to get
your key replace.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, unreal, just for my we fob, my we electric
fob is if that's what you call it, seven hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
So why are they that expensive? Why is it seven
hundred dollars or five hundred dollars as I've had to
pay in the past just for a thing that just
opens your car and is the whole industry rifle disruption
with an app on your phone? If if it's seven
hundred dollars to get that key replace.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, there's something I still don't like about the old
push button start. Doesn't feel right, doesn't feel right, not
putting a physical key into a car, turning it, getting
that nice sound.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
It just doesn't feel right. No, no, no, yeah, what
kind of carry I thought you were?

Speaker 3 (06:20):
There's one that's the batteries obviously died and clearly. But yeah,
that's going to be a good chat after three o'clock.
After two o'clock. Narrow Escapes. This is on the back
of a couple who had a very narrow escape in
the suburb of Roliston.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
This is a fantastic story. Basically, you're in bed I
think Harby gets up to go to the bathroom or something.
Then a car flies through the bedroom window, pins his
wife down, and he uses this super human strength with
the power of love for his partner to lift the
car off her, the wheels on top of her. Hero
just smashes through the front of your house. I mean,

(06:53):
when you go to bed at night, there's things you
worry about. Have you locked the front door, did you
turn the oven off? I don't know. You don't really
get into bed and go. I wonder if a car
is going to go flying through the window and land
on us in bed.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Do we know how it happened. I've read the first
part of this. It was very dramatic, But do we
know what happened to the driver? The driver themselves?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
How the hell he's made a hell of a mess.
I mean, if you look at the pictures, he smashed
up a trampoline, smashed out the entire front of the house.
I mean the house is unlivable now, it has to
be rebuilt. So the drivers had an absolute mirror and
traveled quite a long way because it's right across the
lawn in the front of the house. So it's an
impressive crash, but you know, just literally millimeters away from death.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Unreal story. But the question will put to you after
two o'clock as we want to hear your narrow escapes.
What happened where you just got out of it alive.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah. I had a car crash to the front of
my house once and I don't even notice. I slipped
through it. And then a neighbor came through and said,
did you see that? You hear the car the crash
and smashed up your mailbox. I was like, nah, it's
out to it.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Did they not even knock on your door?

Speaker 5 (07:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (07:59):
They crashed into it, reversed and drove off and left
the mailbox mangle, but didn't fly through. Maybe dam window.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, so narrow escapes right now, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, let's have a chat about what you should be
teaching your children before they go to school. It was
a great piece in the New Zealand Herald, written by
Greg boot Bruce but quoting an anonymous teacher, but a
very good read.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yes, so kids don't know when they arrive at school.
We're talking about primary school. They don't know what to
do if something goes wrong, if they fall over and
hurt themselves. They don't know how to get back up
and do it again. If someone says I don't want
to play with you today, they don't know how to
deal with it. These basics aren't being taught to kids
at home. So before these teachers can even work on

(08:43):
their maths and reading, they have to deal with the
fact that the kids have been so moody coddled to
use an old fashioned word in their first five years
of the life, that they can't do anything parents. It's
when good parenting becomes bad. What you think is good
parenting is doing everything for them, tying their shoelacers, putting
their clothes on, protecting them from arguments, and just looking

(09:05):
after them to the point where they're completely and utterly
unaidable to function when they get to school. Yeah, so
that is that that becomes bad, That becomes bad teaching.
You know, well, I know they've started off this comment. Sorry.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, so they started off off this column saying parents
need to know their kids are not resilient. And I
kind of hate that word because it was overused. But
that is a big thing that, as you say, if
they don't have these social skills, if they don't know
how to effectively be a little human being. Then they're
going to really struggle by that time they get to school,
and teachers do not have the time, or the resource
or the inclination to be their parents at that stage.

(09:38):
They are there to teach them the basics of reading, maths.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
And writing. As this synonymous teacher said, so in a way,
parents are to blame because we're not giving kids the
opportunity to develop or to fail. We jump in if
they've got a relationship problem, we jump in if they
did something wrong, and we rush into the teacher and
want to know what's happening. You should get them to
ride their bike, go on monkey bars, playgrams, climb trees,
get them to write, Get them to draw not with
an iPad but literally with a fout tip or with

(10:01):
a pencil, because even doing that it teaches their brain
to develop. They need to hold it the right way,
not like a dagger grip, so they can't even use
a pen. And they arrive at school because they've only
ever used iPhones, so in iPads and smartphones. So you're
trying to be such a good parent that you end
up being a terrible parent because when they get to school,

(10:21):
they don't even have anything anything in their toolkit to
just deal with being a kid, let alone starting to
learn maths and the alphabet and such.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
You've got kids who are in the smartphone and the
iPad generation. Was it hard for you? Were you guilty
of some of these things as you're reading this article
and thinking, yep, I probably did that a little bit
too much?

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, I was, And because I actually had My mother
in law actually said to me, because you know, you're
trying to get the kids out of the house really quickly, right,
and it just becomes easier just to dress them, put
their shoes on, and put them in the car, you know,
or you know, instead of them making their lunch or
learning how to use the kitchen or learn how to
just do it for them because you're in a hurry

(11:03):
and you get it done. But as a result that
you just become their valet, you become their servant, and
they don't learn how to do any thing at all.
So she was like, you just have to wait, let
what teach them how to do their shoelacers up and
wait while they do it, and just deal with the
frustration of how slow it takes them to do it,
because otherwise you're not making them competent, because that's the
idea of a parent, right It's it's to make them

(11:24):
competent to go out into the world. So by the
time they're five, they should have the social skills and
the basic life skills to be able to operate as
a five year old at a skill so they can
start learning.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Which would be I mean, there's multiple that this article mentioned,
but the be a necessity being able to make friends,
talking to their fellow classmates, saying good morning to the
teacher when they go in there, which clearly, according to
this teacher, they are skills they don't possess anymore.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah. Well, it's like if you always jump in whenever
there's a little dispute between your kids and another kid,
you always jump in and lead them away or protect them.
They don't learn the cut and thrust of interacting with
another human. It's like dogs, you know. It's those people
that always pull their dog off and they don't let
the dog have a little sniff and the little growl
at another dog, and then the dog never learns out
of socialize. Its exact same thing. We're just animals and

(12:14):
we need to have to work out how we deal
with the other members of our species. But a rough
and tumble, a few arguments, yep, a few scraped knees,
as they say.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Absolutely, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, really keen to discuss this with you?
What skills do you need to be teaching your kids
before they go to school? And what are you seeing
with your own child when it comes to their social skills?
If you're a teacher, love to hear from you as well.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. It is
eighteen past one. Back in the month.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
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Speaker 3 (12:58):
Good afternoon. It is twenty past one, and we've asked
the question, what skills do you need to teach your
kids before they go to school? Great peace in the
New Zealand Herald make so it's from a teacher and
an anonymous teacher. But they said kids are not resilient
anymore and kids don't know what to do if something
goes wrong.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Her advice was don't jump in and fix everything as
a parent, and then they're learning nothing. They're learning if
I'm in trouble, mom and dad are always going to
fix that. So as being an overly what is seen
to be good parent, which is very attentive, actually ending
up being a bad parent, and that your kids aren't
ready for school and aren't ready to deal with the
world when they have to enter a classroom with another
twenty five kids.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Paul, How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 8 (13:44):
Very well, thank you and yourself very good.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
What's your take on what kids need to be learning
in terms of social skills before they have hit school.

Speaker 8 (13:53):
Well, what happens is that I've got a punk business here,
and you know, like I always have a young oppoon
to start up, and when they start up, I always
say them, look, when we go to the to the house,
you you make sure you make yourself well known to
the house owners and you know, save Vagnant say your
name is mister Jones, Good morning, mister Jones. My name's Timavian.

(14:16):
I'm here with such a touch blah blah blah, and
introduce us of it. It breaks down so many barriers
right from the start. And because the young people of
today they had very bad communication skills and good old
fashioned yes, please, thank you, some manners that you give

(14:39):
away for nothing your long way in life, and that's
your first that's your first meet or grief of that customer.
So with him that first twenty seconds, they've already made
an assessment of what you're going to be like.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, I agree totally, Paul. Even like between one and five,
I was very careful with my kids to make sure
they knew how to shake hands and look someone in
the eye when they first met them, because that makes
things a lot easier. And also answer questions. Kids come
around to your house and they haven't been taught that,
and as a parent, you go, I don't like this
kid because I asked him a question he doesn't answer.

(15:15):
But it's not really the kid's fault. They haven't been
taught the basic thing of talking to an adult. You
answer their questions, you shake the hand, you look in
their eye.

Speaker 8 (15:23):
You're right, that's favorite answers and that's what you get. Yeah,
it's a mumbled up. I don't know.

Speaker 9 (15:34):
I think.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
I think it's an interesting thing. As well with the
little kids now, because they don't really know what to
call other people's parents, like if they come around and
they go, because we still always call them. If I'd
been around to your house as a little kid, I'd
call Tyler. I would say mister Adams, Hello, mister Adams,
you know.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
And that's respectful. I don't think you can call them
by their first name until you at maybe sixteen seventeen.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
But that doesn't happen at all. So you've got like
a four year old kid coming around the house and going, Matt,
can I have something to eat? And then you offer
some some food and they go, we don't eat that
at home. And I'd always go, well, that's very interesting.

Speaker 8 (16:13):
Quite a respectful thing. In the marriage family, says, everyone
seems to be their auntie the uncle called all their needs,
whether related or not. And yes, it's quite a nice word.
Breaking down ariers as well.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I don't think there's any parents that would, you know,
if a kid came around and called me mister Heath,
you know, like I don't think that. I can't imagine
a situation where that would be offensive to anyone. No, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Mean that was always just a sign of respect, wasn't
it If you are still a child, and i'd say
under sixteen, then you just say you put a mister
or a miss in front of it all misses for
that matter.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, you don't.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
You never use first name, I mean cheap as if
I ever used the first name of a teacher in
high school that was I mean, that's straight to the
principal's offer.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
You know you'd never do that because it was a
lack of respect.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I don't even know the first names of all my
friends when I was growing up as parents. Yeah, like
I've run into them when I've been in my at
my late thirties and called said hello, missus Feathers, Hey,
thanks for you call Paul, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Oh e one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. And just reading through this article again, I mean,
it feels that parents have so much information that is
coming at them from all sides in terms of how
to raise a kid, that a lot of it just
feels like parents are super anxious when it comes to
raising their kids as and you know that they're not

(17:36):
letting them go down to the playground by themselves and
going to catch up with their friends. It is and
as you say, the molly codoline or wrapping them with
wall too much. But it's not like they're trying to
be bad parents. Notice that it's an overload of information
to be a good parent.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
They're trying to be an incredible parent just by doing
everything for their kids. But as this teacher says anonymously,
don't jump in and fix everything as a parent, because
they'll learn nothing. You have to let your kid fall
over and cry and and do a bunch of things
that are potentially dangerous so they learn lessons hard to
do as a parent because you you also get judgment
from other parents. Yeah, yeah, so I went underd at

(18:12):
eighty ten eighty nine ninety two. What should you teach
your kids before they go to school, because this teacher
is here saying the alphabet, any kind of maths, even
how to spell their name is not as important as
just teaching them how to deal with other people.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
And if you are a teacher, former teacher, love to
hear from you as well. What are you seeing or
what did you see in the classroom? It is twenty
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Speaker 3 (19:17):
Good afternoon, it is twenty nine past one.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yes, So we're talking about a teacher who Greg Bruce
has talked to and they come up and said that
parents aren't readying themselves for school, so when they arrive
at primary school, they can't even do the basics before
they can even start to teach them. They can't even
deal with other kids. They don't know how to hold
a pen, and they don't know how to deal with

(19:41):
someone saying they don't want to play with them because
they haven't really interacted with people because the parents are
jumping in and helping them too much. Here's a text
on nine two nine two. Hi, guys, recently retired school principle.
Here it'd be great at five year olds could toilet themselves,
dress themselves, carry their own school bag, hold a pencil,
punt know they're punt of there like a decent boot
down field. If they could kick you know that that

(20:05):
might be a spell check. There, their alphabet, colors, etcetera.
Can greet each other, say please and thank you, share
toys and equipment. My own kids made their own lunches
at five years old, albeit with supervision. This is basic stuff.
That's from Dave. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Good text. Oh one hundred and eighty eighty is the
number to call.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
This text is on the other side of the event,
saying this is classic. We paid teachers to do that.
Now we're expected to prep our kids for school. Just
do your job, teachers and shut up. Yeah, I mean
it's your they're your kids, so you probably should take
some responsibility for them. Joe, your thoughts on this.

Speaker 9 (20:44):
Yeah, okay, guys, I'm a recent adult this court.

Speaker 12 (20:50):
I'm twenty eight and I've been listening to you guys
talk about sort of the way to address other adults
and also the role.

Speaker 9 (20:59):
That parents played birth teachers. You know, honestly, I think
it's a fine line.

Speaker 13 (21:05):
Yeah. I think that.

Speaker 9 (21:09):
As as history dictates, not every single adult is one
who should be trusted. And you know, I think that
there is a fine line there between.

Speaker 14 (21:22):
A blind trust in an adult or someone who's an
elder and and sort of being taught to be cautious
around those things. I would, I wholeheartedly agree that that
parents need to be the ones to instill the positive
practices in their kids. I mean, similar to other texts

(21:44):
and callers you've had. I mean, my mum in particular,
you know, taught us from a young age that that
where you needed to make our own lunches and needed
to be polite.

Speaker 12 (21:54):
And you know, you say please and thank you and
and all of that sort of thing. But I think
as it pertains to teachers, there needs to be some
caution taken there, and history certainly certainly suggests that what
do you mean, I went, well, I went to a
private school that I'm not going to name that that's
had some issues around teachers getting in trouble for.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Uh, you know, things that we all know things that
we all know about.

Speaker 12 (22:26):
And I think that that's partly born out of this
blind trust and authority figures. And I think that that
what really needs to be taught at a young age
is that you need to be respectful, but you need
to be careful. And I also, as a side note,
find the sentiment of calling another friends parents by by

(22:49):
sir or ma'am massively updated. I think it's hugely important to.

Speaker 9 (22:53):
Me to be fair.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Joe Nolan suggested to be fair, Joe no one it
all suggested calling them sir or ma'am. All I was
saying was that when I was a kid, you knew
that you went round a friend's house, you'd call them
by their last their parent, mister Adams or missus Adams,
miss Adams or whatever, and and and that was just
what you knew. I wasn't making a judgment call on
I say, it was very easy. You'd go and say

(23:15):
thank you mister Adams for dropping me off or whatever.
I definitely think it's probably out the window.

Speaker 9 (23:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 12 (23:25):
I agree, and and right, I see, yeah, I see
what you're saying. But yeah, no, I think I think
that just these days and I think times, you know,
times obviously changed and not the most positive ablaze. And
there's there's stuff that's coming to life or has come
to light over the past let's say decade, But would
indicate that not every authority figure is someone to put

(23:47):
your your trust in. H But but on a on
a fundamental level, I do believe that it's the parents
responsibility and not that of teachers to be instilling sort
of values and and you know, going forward in life,
once you finish school, you spend a lot of time,

(24:07):
you know, interacting with your parents and using them as
your sort of litmus test or your your point of reference.

Speaker 9 (24:15):
So you're not your past teachers.

Speaker 12 (24:18):
So you know, teachers are really there to in my mind,
to facilitate learning and to facilitate you know, furthering. You're
getting to a point you want to be at in
your career, let's say.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, yeah, but I mean, you know, you say that
you know you shouldn't trust everyone, but I mean that's
a big step down the path from sending kids to
school that can't do their shoelacers or even talk to
other kids, you know, and I think, you know, most
primary school teachers are pretty trustworthy.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Joe, and get your point on. I
think everybody could you know, could could see what you
were implying there on a particular school with the New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
But that's I mean, there's definitely terrible, terrible things have happened,
there's no doubt about that. But I don't think it
changes the fact that you should make your kids competent
to be able to deal worth going to just dealing
with other humans before they go to school.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Yep, Joe, thank you very much for your core. Really appreciated.

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Speaker 3 (26:36):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty one two
two and we're asking the question what skills do you
need to teach your kids before they go to school?
In terms of social skills. It's on the back of
a piece in the New Zealand Herald a quoting an
anonymous teacher who says that kids don't know what to
do if something goes wrong, they fall over and hurt themselves.
They don't know how to get back up and do
it all again. And there's a lot of social skills

(26:58):
that the teachers themselves are having to teach these kids.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Is a text. Hi guys, Jenny here, I really need
five year olds to be able to blow their noses,
unpack and open the contents of their lunch. They should
be able to ask or indicate that they would need
to go to the toilet. Cheers, good topic today. Yeah,
I mean those are the basics. If you're sending your
kids to school, then they can't do that. And you know,
a lot of these things are coming through with the
kids don't know how to use the bathroom. And according

(27:23):
to this teacher here in this honest one, it says,
don't jump in and fix everything as a parent. They
need to they then they're learning nothing. So if you're
running the entire toilet operation yourself and their kid when
they go to school. I heard when my kids were
at school, there was a parent that asked to be
wrung if their kid need to go to the bathroom
so they could rush in and do it for them

(27:43):
with them. That's this is like a six year old kid.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, come on, dad, is insane? Come on, come on,
they will be okay.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean just on there.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
At what age would you be wanting to teach your
child to just go and sort that out themselves. If
they get into trouble when they go into the toilet.
Obviously there are people around that can help with that.
But what age would you say you go and do
it yourself.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well, I sometimes get into trouble in the toilet myself.
At the same now I think about it, my accuracy
isn't what it could be. Oh, one hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call, Tanya. How are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
I'm thank you, nice to chat. So what's your thoughts
about this?

Speaker 17 (28:22):
I mean, there's many things that I think was the
important for them to learn before school, but one of
them I found with my children. I mean, there was
one year where there was I didn't have many Christmas
presents for the kids. So I found this letter online
from someone called Harry Brown, and he pretty much wrote
a letter to his daughter when they were poor one year,

(28:44):
and he thought that it was the best guest we
could possibly give, which was nobody owes you anything, and
if people, if you know a lot of adults don't
even understand that, but if stated it would be it
would just benefit their life so much because then they
wouldn't be expecting anything to give into them, and it's
something that you know, if you're given something, it's because
there's something that you've done that you've earned, or you

(29:07):
know you've the person has given you something because you've
done something for them that in order for them truth,
you know, given you something nicely.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, I agree, that's really good advice. But if a
kid's going to school, so you want to get into
their head. So we're talking at a five year old card.
No one owes you anything, but you also need to
get into the head ask for help. Right, So it's not.

Speaker 17 (29:31):
I mean, no one owes you anything, so but they
I mean asking for help. There's the difference between.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
That, and so you have to get that nuance. You'd
have to get that nuance to them. Like no one
owes you anything. If someone does something for you, that
means that that you know, you should be grateful and
you know you've got to try and work out your
own your own your own path and stuff. But also
if you're in trouble, ask for help.

Speaker 17 (29:50):
You know, yes, that's right. And plus I mean if
they knew that, then they don't owe them like other
people don't owe you kindness or anything like that because
it's a few Okay, the best My best option is
to if you can find that letter online and then
read it, and then you're going to understand what I'm

(30:12):
talking about.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Okay, So do you know who it was? By it?
So you say, Harry Brown, Harry Brown, Yeah, Harry Brown letter. Okay,
a letter to day, A ninety sixty six letter to Dora,
Harry Brown letter to daughter. Here we go, it's coming
up one second enz Me media organization with a very
slow internet.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
It is a rather large letter.

Speaker 17 (30:35):
Yeah, so you might have to break it down.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
It's right. Can I just pack up on the no
one owes you anything part, So no one owes you anything.
You owe it to yourself to be the best person possible,
because if you are, others will want to be with you,
want to provide you with the things you want in
exchange for what you were giving to them. Some people
will choose not to be with you for reasons that
have nothing to do with you. When that happens, look
elsewhere for the relationships you want. Don't make someone else's

(31:01):
problem your problem. Once you learn that you must earn
the love and respect of others, you'll never expect the
impossible and you won't be disappointed that others don't have
to share their property with you, nor their feelings or thoughts.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Very deep, yes it is.

Speaker 17 (31:16):
But I just think some of the words that are
quite profound, and I think if a lot of people
learned that, honestly, they would make more of an effort
in life because they're not expecting people to come in
and save them as such.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, yeah, well, I think what they do in life.

Speaker 17 (31:28):
They work for basically. A lot of people in your
zin don't seem to know that.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, well, look essentially, I'm just reading it now. It's
very good. So google that if you want to read that.
Harry Brown, that's with a Browne and you just put
that in Harry Brown Letter to Daughter and it's readily
available online. So give that a read. Thank you so much, Dania,
Thank you, Thank you. O.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
There's some great texts coming through on nine to nine two.
We'll get to some of those very shortly. It is
sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
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Speaker 3 (32:17):
They'd be it is thirteen to two. Having a great
discussion about what school skills to teach your children before
they go to school.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, because a lot of kids are going to school
and before you can even teach them math or how
to read, they don't even know how to go to
the toilet yet. Here's a current principal Senter text through
on nine two nine two. Here is my list manners
respecting elders, holding doors, acknowledging each other, how to take
turns and share, how to lose a bit of humility,

(32:45):
being a risk taker in their learning, resilience, self management
e g. Bags, lots more. But this was a good start. Yeah,
being a great list as a bunch of teachers are
been texting, would be really helpful if they could just
manage their own lunch box and their own lunch and
their own shoes, yeah, you know, and their own bag.
If you haven't talked to your kids how to do
that by the time they go to school, I mean, yeah,

(33:07):
that's ands. Kids are quite happy about that kind of stuff.
They love to use tupperwar and bags and such. Getting
them to I think it's a cop out when kids
are given those valcrow shoes instead of learning how to
tie their shoelaces. And look, I got told off by grandparents,
as I said before, for this just being in a hurry.
So you do everything for your kids just to get

(33:28):
them out the door because you just want to go,
go go, and you go, I can't wait. Well, you
learn how to do that, but you have to do us.
You're not really you're not really teaching them.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
No, that was me when I started sky the Valcrow shoes.
But I was shamed by my friends.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Weak.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, my friends at five years old, of five years old,
and I remember this vividly laughed at me saying, do
you don't know how to tie your shoes? But then
they taught me, and I remember that vividly. Is just
like when I nailed how to tie my own shoes.
It's like, man, that was a good feeling.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Did you go for the two bunny years?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Two bunny years?

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Tried and true? Greg? Your thoughts on this?

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Greg?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Greg from Hamilton, Greg, we know you're there somewhere.

Speaker 13 (34:15):
I don't know that.

Speaker 18 (34:15):
I don't know what and there teach them from principal.
We've got a ringing up saying that into them skills
like being able to go to the toilet and manage
your lance box and things. You don't wonder why the
education system stuff when half the kids are going to
school and that's what they have to teach them before
they even get onto teaching stuff. So that's one skill
that definitely should be torn at home by the appearance.

(34:37):
But for me, there's a couple of things that I
think is absolutely necessary. But nobody ever doesn't. We need
to teach their kids how to keep left when they're
walking on the footpath.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'm big on this. This is such a good point,
Greg and Tea.

Speaker 18 (34:51):
If they're riding your bike, to keep lyft, now that's
their life. Still that little plants say it's over to
when they get in the car and they've how to
keep lyft, and you might find that all the road
rage of people driving on motorways will change when people
are taught and you don't teach them to re age.
And I've written to the ministers about this, but no
one seems to think it's even a jew But I

(35:13):
actually think it's very important. If you're walking down a
footbaths and you guys have done this anytimes and you
move to the left, you're a little bit older, and
the piston doesn't move. They don't have a clue where
they should be standing or what way should be going.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, oh look, I get this all the time, Greg,
because I'm a runner, and I'll be out running and
I stay right to the left on the pavement and
there will the room for other people. But then you
get a bunch of people, and sometimes they'll be tourists,
so they don't know, and they're from a right side
of the road country right, and it's just the whole
system doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
But then then you see a bunch of kids. You
see a bunch of people, parents walking their kids, and
they're on the wrong side, and you go, this is
a basic. This is basic for things to work. The pace.
I'm going the pace, I run, get out, get out
of my way. I'm hugging the left, and you better
do the same, or else we're going to have a problem.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Slight skiing downhill, when someone's wedging and they getting right
in your way, just pick alane, pick a lane and
the lane is left and otherwise Matt's going to mow
you down.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, ye, within my rights. So many texts coming through
here on nine two nine two. I have five children,
and I feel I am my children's primary teacher instill
in culture, values, responsibilities, independence, resilience, social interaction, et cetera.
I see schools as an extension who are there to
teach a curriculum and allowing children the space to learn
and expand interests. In saying that I do begrudge others

(36:35):
who do not live by my I do or I
don't begrudge, I do not grudge. I like the idea
of saying I do begrudge others who do not live
by my philosophy.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
I mean you can't go around begrudging all the time.
You'll be a miserable person.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah. Yeah, that is trvery big of that tag sting.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
But I think that the key with this great article
from Greg Bruce in The Herald is this teacher is
saying that the not getting their kids ready for school
doesn't come from a place of neglect. It's the opposite
that teachers that parents think that if they help their
kids do everything, and they're on their kids all the time,

(37:13):
and they're interrupting all the possible bad interactions with other
kids and they're sorting out all the problems and moving
the risks from their life. They're being good parents. But
what actually happens, as this teacher says, the parents are
to blame when they behave that because the kids are
not giving They're not giving the kids the opportunity to
develop or fail. So you think you're being a good

(37:33):
parent by being incredibly protective and doing everything for them,
but you're actually not making them capable of actually learning
when they start school.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah, exactly, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call? What school should you be teaching your
kids before they go to school? Love to hear from you.
eight to two.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
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eighty ten eighty Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo
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Speaker 3 (38:04):
V news Talks. We are going to carry this on
after two o'clock. It's been a great discussion and so
many people want to have a chat about it, but
some great teachs coming through. On nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
The overly involved parent who does everything for their kids
is called the helicopter parent. Essentially, you're restricting your kids
and limiting their growth by not giving them the opportunities
to do things themselves. Yeah, we're trying to avoid that
because it's kind of a cliche. And also I had
a trouble with the tense and I started calling it helicopterary.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Right, oh, okay, I got you.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, yeah, to be ale would be the you're being
too helicopterary? What would be the future? That one didn't
sound good, so I shied away from that word, you know,
but yeah, it is. And that's exactly what the teacher
is saying, because by not letting your kids fail up
to five, then they don't learn any lessons for sure,
and they just expect parents to be there to solve
the problem. My six year old has had a little

(38:57):
difficulty with reading this year. However, a job in her
class is answering the classroom phone. Well, it would be
great if she wasn't struggling with the reading. I consider
a massive wind. She knows how to confidently answer the phone.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
That's huge. Yeah, yeah, and good on there, teacher for
making that part of the skills that if a child
is lacking confidence in one area to say, you were
now in charge of answering the classroom phone. That is massive.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
So what should you teach your kids before they start
primary school? O. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine
ninety two. If you want to text us, we're going
to keep this going because we've got so much coming
through the system.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yep, absolutely new sport and weather on its way. It
is four minutes to too great to have your company.
As always, you're listening to Matt and Tyler. I hope
you're having a great Monday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
After that you well much.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
So, then we go.

Speaker 8 (40:02):
Be seeing for two.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Before they can.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety used talk said.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Be very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the shows.
Heaven passed two and having a great discussion about what
skills you should be teaching your children before they go
to school.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, that's right. This from an article by Greg Bruce
where he talked to a teacher anonymously, and she had
this to say. Kids don't know what to do if
something goes wrong. When they start school. If they fall
over and hurt themselves, they don't know how to get
back up and do it again. If someone says I
don't want to play with you today, they don't know
how to deal with it. She went on to say,
they don't need to learn how to read, write, any

(40:49):
of those things before they come to school, but they
need the life skills of how to put their own
clothes on, how to get themselves ready for swimming, how
to say hello to somebody, those little skills. That sounds ridiculous,
but a lot of kids don't even know how to
say hello to someone, to an adult. The little skills
that our kids twenty five years ago is used to have,
many of our kids today don't have them. When a

(41:11):
child starts skill, instead of starting reading and writing, we're
actually teaching them how to put their shoes on, how
to tie their shoelaceers, what their name looks like, how
to say hello, how to even hold a pencil because
they've only ever used iPads before, so we're teaching them
the basics before we even get to literacy. And she
says that the parents are to blame because we're not
giving the children the opportunity to develop or fail. We

(41:33):
jump in. If they've got a relationship problem, we jump
them if they did something wrong, or you rush into
the teacher and want to know what happens when the
kids aren't learning? They go, well, what's the it's the
teachers fault?

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Oh weight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Nine two nine two is the text number.
Just before we go back to the phone calls. Got
a great email from Wayne, says, afternoon to both of you.
Great show, and really he sent us a bit earlier.
Look forward to the discussion around this. Interesting to know
who chia. Thank you Wayne.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Thanks Wayne.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Interesting to note that all children entering the school system
this year are all part of the COVID generation. They've
grown up with their families entering lockdown with all the
uncertainty that brought about. There's an argument that says with
movement restrictions in place, families had more time to spend
in each other's company, focusing on each other and spending
quality time together. However, it is also a time of
great unknowns, increased stress and for many financial uncertainty, etc.

(42:28):
It would be interesting for a study similar to the
Dunedin initiative to follow this cohort through their school careers.
In the UK, where I taught for a number of years,
all new entrants were assessed using baseline assessment. This meant
that their progress was measured from their actual starting points.
Some children who met or acceeded expectations may have begun
at a higher level. I guess I'm really saying that

(42:50):
unless we look beyond initial information, it's difficult to know
what's really behind this. But it is a good email.
When he talks about the COVID generation.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, that is interesting, and in this article here that
the teacher says when COVID hit and we were all
doing online learning, the weightless for pedriat pediatric assessment went
from literally six months to two years because all the
parents were homeschool and going, oh my god, my kid
can't do anything, and basically saying that the parents expect
the kids to the teachers to solve all their kids

(43:21):
problems from when they're five, and when they saw them
at home, they're like, oh my god, my kid.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Oh no, that is dali.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Oh no, So what should you teach your kids before
they start primary school? That's what we're talking about. And
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number. Paul,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 19 (43:41):
Hey mate, Hey, you know, I was just listening to
you about all of it, and it's my wife is
a child to a kindergarten teacher, and she's worked in
childiers before a few other child and I think, I
don't know for a fact, but in her line and

(44:01):
her view, in her point of view, a lot a
lot of mothers tend to and a lot of fathers
tend to rely on school teachers from the age of
three or two to when they're going into childcare. You know,
they relied on to teach them those skills of of
of getting up and doing your lunch and you know,

(44:22):
just the little things of walking off to the toilet
and stuff like that. Now, when I when I spoke
to my wife about my daughter not being able to
do that, and she's been with my wife for a
long time, right from pre school too to primary school. Now,
her thing was, we don't let the kids walk in
their Bible selves, and we watch them do everything. They

(44:43):
do things for the soelves, but they get watched doing everything.
Right in primary school, I noticed that my daughter had
weed her pants like the first week and it was
because she got outside the classroom and was scared because
she said, no one was following me to the bar.

(45:03):
And another thing is I think.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
What's the lodge? You know what the logic is from
from following them and into the bathroom. Is it just
because they're concerned they're going to make a mess?

Speaker 19 (45:13):
Well, because rat kids to feel safe, right and bathrooms
and stuff like that. If the kids at the park
or something like that, they shouldn't feel the need to
go bathroom by themselves and start to run or something
like that. It's a life school that they teach them.
But I just think it's sort of you know, we
never had that sort of stuff and the wet of
kids and and and just see the kids today, it's

(45:34):
like they're they're falling away behind because even at primary school.
I teach my daughter's primary school, most of those kids
that get there didn't even know how to how to
count from one to ten or even one to five,
or even understand what ABC's and b lookali even the letters,
just identifying the letters itself. But then a lot of
these kids that come from Cold Key is different to kindergarten. Yeah,

(45:59):
you getting taught like a school. In kindergarten, when you
get taught your manners, get taught how to act and
how to how to be a responsible persons a young
you know, yeah, just respecting other people's spaces and child
care you just to zoom mate.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, well, I guess. I mean, no matter how much
you're in child care, you're probably at home with your
parents more than you are in childcare, so those basics
will be able to use the bathroom by yourself, you know,
there's still plenty of time for the parents to get
that one right.

Speaker 19 (46:30):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, And even to the point of a
lot of kids have trouble eating. Yeah, that's one of
the biggest things where it isn't primary because certain foods
and certain habits of eating is provided by the parents
at home. They don't have munch and stuff like that.
You know, they're eating halfway through the day when it's
not supposed to be eaten. And that's when you get
to primary school. And I noticed a lot of the

(46:52):
kids don't eat and it's like they just used to
picking and you know, or the eating habits of home life,
and when it gets out to normal school, like they
don't have enough time to eat there. I don't have
enough time to eat, they don't have enough time to play.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, hey, thanks so much your call fell. I mean
when I was a kid, my mum would aways give
me a full carrot in my lunch. Nice, And I thought,
this is this is at Marty Hill Primary School in Dunedin,
and I thought, you had to eat your whole lunch
before you're allowed to play. So I'd be looking around
and all my friends would be playing and I'd be
sitting there just trying to get through a whole carrot,
just munching through this carrot like a rabbit, and I

(47:29):
couldn't get through it. And so I just missed out
on playing because I had been I've been told you
had to eat your whole lunch.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
That is a lovely story, though, that you had that
installed in you now, Matt, eat your carrot before you
get on the monkey bars.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
That's nice.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
But then I told my mum that she said, no,
you don't have to, So then I stopped eating my
lunch at all. And then I just put them in
my backpack and then about once a month, I'd hit
them down the side of the bank at Donaldson's Nursery
down the road from our house and not eat them
at all.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Started off so well, dinto folks, and then it went sideways.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
As a teacher, there are a few things I refused
to do, including helping children with clothing and shoelaces. These
things should be learnt before school. You are not helping
them by doing too much. Thanks from Paula. Yeah, I mean,
god bloody basics.

Speaker 9 (48:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you want to send through a text,
nine to nine two. Just on the kindergarten discussion, I know,
I think that early child care is still a big thing,
whether that's kindergarten, whether that's preschool or whatever you want
to call it. But is that still to parents out
there listening, is that still a big thing for you

(48:36):
to send your child for skills, for social skills and
interacting with other children, or is it a necessity because
you both have to work.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, well, I think our kids we sent them for both.
One we had to because we were both working, and
the other one we thought, you know, it was good
for the socialization and the other one was, you know,
by that point, the other one was a bit older,
but still at that daycare, and I remember us having
a discussion saying that it'd be great if our kids
spend you know, like all that time with a bunch

(49:08):
of other kids now and learn how to interact with them.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Makes sense. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Nine two ninet two is the
text number? It is sixteen past two.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yes, So the question is, I wait, one hundred eighteen
eighty what should you teach your kids before they start
primary school? And we've also got someone pushing back on
the mantra nobody owes you anything? That famously Harry Brown,
that famous letter that Harry Brown wrote to his daughter.
All right, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty, your new home.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Of Afternoon Talk, Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo
XC ninety, turn every journey into something special.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Nineteen past two.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
So we were talking before. I think it was Tanya Rangon,
and she was talking about the famous Harry Brown letter
to his daughter about you know, the basic idea is
nobody owes you anything. This text of Matt says this
nobody owes you anything mantra is just a miserable and
mean way to approach life. We should all have up
where we can, where we can where there is need,
because but by the grace of God, that could be us.

(50:15):
As for our kids, we owe them everything, starting with love, compassion,
our undivited attention whenever possible in a world where certain interests,
shall we say, want to make life harder than it
needs to be. That's a misunderstanding of the nobody owes
you anything, but nobody only anything means that you can
still be grateful if someone does something for you, but
to expect a whole lot of stuff and then feel
disappointed when it isn't given to you, and that so

(50:39):
it could still be a very beautiful thing. In fact,
it's a fantastic thing. So no one owed you it,
but they did it for you. Yep, So you can
be very very grateful. And on the reverse side of that,
when people don't do things for you, you don't take
it as an existential crisis in your life because they
didn't owe you.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
It's that idea of entitlement, right Yeah, And sadly I
think there is a real issue with entitlement, and not
just New Zealand, but around the world. Now, that's why
you get the victimhood that I didn't get something, you know,
and I was owed it whatever reason. That's not how
they will work.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
That doesn't mean as a person you shouldn't be as
charitable as you can from your perspective. No, you should
give as much as you can to other people. But
you can also do things where you're giving too much
and seeming like you're a great parent, as this teacher.
Anonymous teacher in this article is saying, the parents have
lame because we're not giving kids the opportunity to develop
and fail. Don't jump in and fix everything as a parent.

(51:33):
Then they'll learn nothing. They're learning I'm in trouble, mom
and dad will come and fix me. So you might
be thinking that you're being the best parent in the world,
and that you are being incredibly generous and giving to
your but not allowing them to fail and learn, you're
actually not setting them up to be able to deal
with life.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeap, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, Kate, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (51:54):
Great?

Speaker 20 (51:54):
Thank you. I've got a few points, but I want
to make one is from my daughter. She was a
primary school teacher in beech Haven. It was quite a
deprived school, so she taught ones and twos. I'll start
with her first, but they also wanted to talk about
my friend who's a police officer and what she says
that you should tell kids before they go to school.

(52:17):
And as a midwife, I also have a vested interest
in that. But anyway, she what she used to do
to support her kids, he brought up. She brought up
the levels of the Mary and Pacific Island boys by
getting them to not lark around at the back and

(52:37):
sit near her. She also got the parents involved, so
the parents had to come in with the new teacher,
and then she sees them in the afternoon without the
kids there and explains to them about how important it
is to read with your kids, to teach them how

(52:58):
to write their own name, to hear them do their homework,
and make them sit at the particular table so you
know what they're doing, getting off phones and all.

Speaker 21 (53:07):
Of that sort of stuff.

Speaker 20 (53:08):
That they should also do chores on a regular basis,
and they need to get to bed early because they
won't be able to study when they depth of school.
So it's really important. I think that parents realize that
their child might be in danger if they don't give

(53:30):
the school names of people who may collect. Also from
my friend who's a teacher, and she was a teacher
but she was now a cop, she said that there
are too many people, too many girls that have a
child now and then they have boyfriends later on, they

(53:52):
don't stay with the dad. And she said there should
be strict rules around babysitting because as a cop she
used to get lots of lots of weird people, you know,
wanting to go out with the girl, and the girl thought, oh,
it's amazing, and he loved my kids, and you know,
they can go out. But really they're after the kids

(54:12):
and not the not the mom, not the mum. So
also as a midwife, I would suggest when anyone is
babysitting that they actually know who they are and they
explain rules about no one touches you under your swimsuit

(54:33):
and and things like that they can because that is
really common. And as a midwife, I don't feel I
used to see this all the time. A girl, a
girl having lots of visitors and then you've got an
uncle cuddling up to her in her bed, and various people.

Speaker 22 (54:48):
Staying over, and you think.

Speaker 20 (54:52):
When I hear from social workers that offer, there's so
there is so much incestuous stuff going on and things
that shouldn't happen to children.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Thank you for your call, Kate. Yeah, I mean, of
course there's terrible, terrible risks out there in the world.
But you know, and this text to here on says
this one second, I've just lost it here. This isn't
all on parents. When I grew up, an eight year

(55:23):
old was adequate supervision for a five year old. We
all want independent kids, but if you sent a five
to eight year old out to the shops today, you're
risking a call from social services at Pascal.

Speaker 9 (55:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
So, I mean, you know, we've talked about this before
on the show. Jonathan Hyde talks about how you want
to send your kids down to the shops as young
as they can, to do as many independent stuff as
they can so they becomes as competent as possible. But
there is now a thing where you know, there is
a certain judgment about that kind of thing, because you know,
we hear about all the terrible things that can happen,

(55:54):
and terrible things can definitely happen, but we can't stop
our kids from you know, experiencing what the world's like,
just because we can imagine incredibly horrific things happening to them.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Yeah, but that parental anxiety across pretty much everything, right.
You know, my child is still not speaking at the
age of two and a half, there must be something
wrong with it. My child doesn't know how to pick
up a pin at four years old, there must be
something wrong with my child. I mean, as just an
information overload for parents. No, there's nothing wrong with your
child if they're not speaking by two and a half, three,
even four, you know, I mean, there might not be

(56:28):
anything wrong with your child if they hold in a
pin like we're with their fist, rather than.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Well, if someone has had two children, you're really, really,
really worry about every second of the first child, and
then then the second child you're like, oh, okay that
you know that this will work itself out. There's too
much emphasis as this text on making kids happy and
not enough emphasis on making them competent, capable, and hopefully
good human beings. The ironies is that if we better
prepare them for the world, eg. By expecting more of

(56:53):
them and holding them accountable in line with previous generations
we're likely raised better adjusted and happier people. That's from
Caliga Text text Yes.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Right, keen to hear from you on this one. I
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. What schools should we be teaching our children
before they start school? Nine two ninety two is the
text number. It's twenty six past two.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on youth Talk Zebby it.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Is twenty eight past too, Rebecca. Good afternoon to you.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Hello, how are you very good?

Speaker 3 (57:29):
And what's your take on the skills that children need
before they start school?

Speaker 5 (57:33):
I think kids need to be independent. Parents have got
a lot of responsibility to help the children become independent
as well, and it requires effort. And I think parents
are are sort of seeing parenting these days, so yes,
I agree. Well, one thing, I've also read Jonathan Hyde,
and I love that guy. I think what he's being

(57:56):
makes sense. I try to avoid technology to my kids
that I want to send my kids to, you know,
to the local dairy to pick some few things up
and make my life easy as well and give them
the confidence. But one thing I've noticed is that we
all don't have as a society, we do not have
same values. And what I mean by this is I

(58:18):
mean to my sister in rows. It was a child's
fitday party and my sister in law and her friends
they were having a discussion and they said, no matter what,
you should not be touching a child, which meaning like,
if there's on a road there's a child crossing on
his own, you should not touch the child because this
is this is how we protect the kids. And I'm like,

(58:38):
what if there is a car coming and they're like,
you stand in front of the car, but you do
not push the child away?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
What age are we talking about? For this party were bigger,
but what age was there were the kids at this party?

Speaker 5 (58:54):
No, it's like any age. It could be like toddless
to like sixteen year old. The point is that if
my child is in danger, some other hearing might feel
uncomfortable like helping the child, so they don't know what's
acceptable as a parent. Now, like me as a mother,
if I see a child roaming around alone, I would

(59:17):
like to go with him and ask are you okay?
Can I help you in any way? Yeah? You should
this should be the virtue of the whole society. But
so many people are so scared to do the right
thing now. So what I'm trying to say is the
virtues are not the same anymore. So one person like
I don't want to get involved in this because I

(59:39):
don't want to be seen as a certain person because
there's so many stories out there, you know what I mean,
Not like what Jonathan Hired is saying. It's good, it
makes sense, but as a society.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Yeah, have the rules.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, Because I mean,
you might want to do the right thing that's going
to be good for a kid, but there's another parent
around that believes that your parents shouldn't people, shouldn't talk
a certain way for kids, shouldn't tell them what to do,
shouldn't pack them up if they're about to run onto
the and you never be able to touch kids, then
that makes it hard because it's their kids in there
and there and there the situation that you're put into.

(01:00:15):
I totally agree with that. That's that that is a
that is a problem. But I mean, if the kids
his parents saying that kids should never be touched by
it and grabbed by an adult if they're running or
doing something stupid, that that would be the most insane
rule to have get hit by a car. Kid comes
running across the party with a steak knife, Yeah, then
I thinks going to But The Coddling of the American

(01:00:37):
Mind by Jonathan Hyden just he put the interesting point
that at one point in American history, what happened was
a New York dad his kid went missing, and he
campaigned to have missing kids put on the milk pails,
right on the milk curtains every day. So every day
in America through late seventies and right through the eighties
and nineties, and still this day, when people get up,

(01:00:58):
they see a missing child on the on the milk cart.
And as a result, America went into this crazy feeling
like a lot of kids were being grabbed and a
lot of terrible things were happening, when it wasn't really
it was more complicated. It would be the divorce situations
that were making the kid go missing. So he believes
when you look into that's when people started getting incredibly

(01:01:19):
freaked out and stopping the kids going down to the
shops and stopping the kids going to the park by
themselves and the helicopter parenting came in because people were
seeing these kids and going, oh my god, my kid
could be grabbed, and that permeated across the world. And
now we get the culture we have now where kids
can't walk to school, and when less kids walk to school,
even less kids walk to school because it seems like

(01:01:40):
an odd thing to do and everyone's dropping them off
and such, and he's putting it that this is one
of the starting points of just this absolute paranoia that's
out there about what can happen to our kids when
really they can walk to the shops and back from
six years old.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
They did it for many decades in the past and
they can still do it. But that has been a
great discussion. So thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Yeah, and so just to some thing's up, this is
what this teacher said to Greg Bruce anonymously. So parents
that are blame. We're not giving our kids the opportunity
to develop and fail. We jump in if they've got
a relationship problem, we jump in if they do something
wrong with Russian and we wonder why and hassle the
teacher when anything happens. You should get them to ride
their bike, go to the monkey bars, and the play games,

(01:02:25):
crime trees, get them to write, get them to draw,
not on an iPad, but literally. I would say all
children should do team sports. Don't jump in and fix
everything as a parent. Then they've learned nothing. They're learning.
If I'm in trouble, mom and dad will come and
fix it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Yeap, beautiful advice. That is where we'll leave that discussion.
Headlines with railing coming up. Then let's have a chat
about digital car keys and the price will cost to
replace those fobs. Crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Oh, I've just seen some people have been texting in
since we started talking about this. How much people are
paying to get their fob replaced when they lose their keys. Insane,
it's insanity.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
It is right. That's coming up. It is twenty six
to three.

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It's no trouble with a blue.

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Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Thank you very much, Raylan. Let's have a chat about
car keys. Digital car keys could be the future. More
of these digital car keys are becoming common in new vehicles.
They offer convenience as you'd expect by allowing drivers to
unlock and start their vehicles using a smartphone. But big
questions around the safety of these digital car keys. So effectively,

(01:04:42):
how it works is you might have it with one
of your credit cards on your smartphone. So you've got
your Wii wallet on your smartphone, your digital wallet, so
you upload this digital krke and then it allows you
to unlock and start the car.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Yeah awesome, Yeah that's what you want, right. It sounds
very flash Yeah, because and I'd like to hear from
people on one hundred and eighty ten eighty that are
trying to run a completely digital wallet like I am.
You are, So I want to I want to remove everything.
I don't want car keys. I want them to be
on my phone. I do all my credit card and
if post transactions on my phone. Everything I've currently because

(01:05:19):
I've got the swiper, because we've got the ends in
me has the highest security ever. I think we've protected knocks.
There's about fifty doors to get into the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
He needs protecting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
He does need protecting. Yeah, he needs protection from us,
judging where some of his comments. But so I've got
to have that, and I've got to have my gym swiper,
So I super glued them together poorly.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
I can see that I was just about to question
your super glue inability.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
I've super glued them together and super glued them to
my phone and absolute mess with the super glue when
everywhere my fingers I could have committed multiple crimes because
my prints were missing for days.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
You've got to know what you're doing when you rock
out the super glue. You've got to practice beforehand. Right,
Have I got this down pad? Have I got the movement?

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
There's a lot of pressure because you've only got.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
A second and a half before that rise and your stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Yeah, but let's not get complicated. Let's not get off
topic with I could talk about that for hours. But
the whole digital wallet thing, yeah, I want my car
keys to be in there, right And I think I
mean people say that it's not a safe How do
you mean not as safe as a key that you
can drop on the ground or a fob that you
can press and your car will beep and you can
go and find out exactly where it is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Well, we're going to bring up the price of or
the cost of replacing fobs very very soon as part
of this discussion. But I think you're insane having everything
on your phone. And the reason I think you're insane.
What if it doesn't work for some reason. You go
to pick up your groceries at the supermarket and all
you've got is your credit card on your phone, and
just for some reason that day, it doesn't compute, cannot

(01:06:48):
read it, whatever the situation is. At that point, you're stuffed.
I like having a physical, tangible thing in my hand
just in case.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Well, this happened to me at a farmer's market the
other day. I would have to pay, and I assumed
that it was going to be a sort of payWave
situation with my phone. I sorted out the guy just
gave me his bank account, and I just fired it
through and bought my eggs and meat off him by
putting it straight into his bank out. Yeah, you know,
there's ways to do it. But the thing is, Tyler,
what you're not understanding is I am so addicted to
my phone, a terrible digital addiction that I'm trying to

(01:07:17):
find that I will never not have my phone. But
I may well leave my keys behind, I may well
leave my wallet behind, but I sense it to the
very depth of my soul, of my phone isn't on me,
it's first result. Everything is always with me if it's
in the phone. But I am I am also conscious
as well that a cashless society would be a bad
thing because we want to have the freedom to be

(01:07:37):
able to pay for things and big brother not know
exactly what we're doing. So that's one part of it
that I don't like, and I don't nest necessarily like
that dirty bustard Tim Cook being part of everything I do.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
You know I e one hundred eighty ten eighty How
do you feel about Mett's idea of going completely digital?
And a supplementary question the key fobs? Why are they
so friggin expensive when you break them? And I know
that because I had some water damage to one of
my key fobs and seven hundred bucks seven hundred bucks
to replace those key fobs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
So it says digital care car keys. Oh you mean
like Tesla old news? Yeah, No one's saying they brand new, mate, Absolutely,
no one said they were brand new. But they are
getting more popular. Yeah, as BMW are doing them now,
and Posta and a bunch of other brands. They're coming
much more common than just the Tesla.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Most of the major car manufacturers are now looking at
this as an option. And we all remember when we
had the ANALOGU key, we actually had to put it
in to the ignition and turn it. Now, I don't
think you'd find a car built that it has those
old analog keys. They're all pushed that and they've all
got these forbes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah, yeah, I mean so they are coming yeah, all right, Okay,
Wait one hundred eighty ten eighty you're running a full
digital wallet. Do you want your car keys to be
moved into your phone? And tell us about your fob
and how much it costs to replace nineteen Why can
someone out there who does this, who does the fob cloning?
Why does it cost seven hundred and fifty dollars? Or

(01:09:02):
some of these texts coming through, how much it costs
to get their keys in place when they lose them?

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Insanity ninety two is the text number eighteen two three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
It's a fresh take on Talkback Matt and Taylor Afternoons
with the Volvo XC ninety turn every journey into something special.
Have your say on eight hundred eighty US talks.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
B Good afternoon, We're talking about car keys one digital
car keys. They are becoming more common in newer vehicles. Tesla.
We're one of the first major car manufacturers to bring
them in, but more and more car manufacturers are looking
at these digital car keys.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Yeah, BMW pasta. So unlike traditional keyfobs, digital keys rely
on smartphones and encrypted and thought thought authentication protocols, reducing
the likelihood of a traditional relay attacks, but introducing new
cyber security considerations. I'm trying to run a full digital wallet.
But yeah, thing that's hanging out in the back of

(01:09:56):
it was my keyfob.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
That's the last piece of the puzzle. Yes, but we've
also asked the question about why replacement key fobs are
so bloody expensive. Seven hundred bucks Julia, how are you?

Speaker 23 (01:10:08):
Yeah, I'm good. How are you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Very good? Now you recently had to replace you Keith
for Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
I did.

Speaker 23 (01:10:15):
Actually, I think one of the blame the children.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
The time.

Speaker 23 (01:10:20):
Try your insurance, which I did. I think have a
pretty much four cocks so that's a little tap had
come in from Europe the key, so I look out
a spare key for a few weeks. But have you
tried your insurance company?

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
No, because I'm a mug and I probably should should
ring my insurance company.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Do you know how much do you know how much
yours was in total, Julia that the insurance company played
for and what was your excess on it?

Speaker 23 (01:10:46):
I was about eleven hundred I thinks once that came
and it had to be programmed as well in top
weeks to come in from yes, Germany or somewhere. But yeah,
it wasn't much of the excess. I can't remember hundred,
one hundred and fifty or something. Yeah, I played there
directly to the car.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Yeah, and so what you went, you went, you went.
Weren't able to drive around for a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
No.

Speaker 23 (01:11:06):
I did have one spearbit with some kids using the
car as well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Yeah, so you're talking about you're talking about driving kids
like adult kids, Yeah as well, but we was my car.
But yeah, yeah, they prime prime suspects.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Definitely, because.

Speaker 23 (01:11:26):
The insurance company your spot on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Just just while we're we were having a chat, I
looked up my policy and you're quite right, keys and locks,
if your keys to your car, have me lost of
style and pay up to one thousand dollars. But here's
the fish is my exes. My exes unfortunately as seven
hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
So seven hundred yeah, so Julius play one hundred and fifteen,
you're playing seven hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Yeah, but my premiums are pretty low, as low as.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I can get them, Julia, would you ever consider just
going for a digital key just on your if it
was available on your start phone.

Speaker 23 (01:12:00):
No, I'm trying to organize primarily end up being fit flat,
So no, No, I'd rather have got old session key.

Speaker 8 (01:12:06):
Ibout you, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
The good thing about it. The good thing about a
digital app is that you could lock your kids out
of the car if you didn't want them at a
certain times because you can put you know, time frames
on them.

Speaker 23 (01:12:19):
You think that like the old fashion why toaster?

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Yeah called Julian, I went one hundred eighty ten eights
the numbered call. There's a lot of tecks coming through
about the key fobs, guys. Seven hundred dollars for a
key fob is simply a ripoff. I shopped around after
I dived into the sea with my Amarok fob. I
found a perfectly good one done by a little obscure shop.

(01:12:42):
He did it for around two hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
What you can do in advance of losing your your
your key? Because you know, I bought a new car. Recently,
I was shot when they only gave me one key,
you know, one that from the dealer.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Yeah, demand the second one, surely, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
But what you can do is you can go to
one of those kiosks in a more you know, and
they'll they'll they'll run a duplicate for you, reasonably cheaply
that they have to go out and scan your car
and do everything, and you have to leave your care
and that you know, it takes a bit of time,
but they can scan it a lot less than seven
hundred bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
I wish I'd known that a hea at a time.
Oh one hundred eighty ten eighties the number to call Jason.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Jason, you're not happy with the idea of a phone
for everything?

Speaker 11 (01:13:23):
Oh before before I give you why, Like you guys
have got a commend you both. You come up to
the most fascinating talk back discussions I've ever heard. So
some of the you must spend days thinking while we're
going to while we're going to raise next for you.
It's all the stuff that we subconsciously think about but
never stop to think about. If you get my point, But.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Jason, I'll just if we can just cut that audio
and send it to her bosses. That'd be great things.

Speaker 11 (01:13:45):
Yeah, yeah, at anytime. Hey two eighty four years to
why why it should and why it shouldn't. About about
two months before Christmas, my wife and I and the
dog were out at not the dog, sorry, my wife
and I dogs in the bat We're out and I
think Pie Beach and or some of those you know
of those western beaches anyway, and this woman was running

(01:14:06):
up to us in a stirrup, saying, oh, if you
seen Sena Khakey, And she'd she'd been along the beach
with a with a with a friend and she'd lost it,
dropped out of a pocket. Tide was coming in. She
knew she had it confined down to about eight hundred meters,
which is a long way on a beach. So we
helped her for about twenty minutes, couldn't find it. Tide
came in and she was absolutely stumped, like tow truck whatever, locksmouth, whatever,

(01:14:31):
you know, way out in a remote area. And I
was thinking to myself at the time, meagine, you know,
imagine if she had something on a phone that managed
to activate a car or whatever, you know, digital wallle
like you're talking about that, So that that's four. And
then I've got a mate who should should not be
anywhere near going to digital Walllet he's hopeless with his phone,

(01:14:52):
goes to the Big Apple before Christmas. Hadn't heard from
him for five, six, seven days. And that's very unusual
because he's always contact you know, daily, twice sometimes and
he goes away sure as the eggs. I had a
bet with him that I bet you you lose your
bloody phone while you're over there. And he lost his phone,
could he would stuff? He couldn't get money, Yeah, it
wouldn't do a thing. And it got me thinking, you know,

(01:15:14):
these two things that you can't lose and you go overseas,
and I thought your passport was the main one. Not
to it's actually your phone, your life from there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Is he a big drink of your friend?

Speaker 8 (01:15:25):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Is he a big drinker?

Speaker 9 (01:15:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:15:27):
Yeah, yeah, Well let's just say it was you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Yeah, I mean that that I mean And that's the thing.
When you do lose your phone for whatever reason, maybe
you've had a big night out. You wake up the
next day you don't have your phone. You feel so
hamstrung to sort out the problem. As you say, Jason,
because you're like, everything you want to do to sort
out your problem is in your phone. So everything that
you would use to find your phone is in your

(01:15:55):
phone to check if you lift it in an uber
to wring someone for help.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
We are this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
This is a really good push back on my idea
that want everything in my phone is if you do
lose your phone, you were and you are absolutely hamstrung.

Speaker 11 (01:16:12):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's my main thing. Like you know,
it's all very well and I use it for ninety
percent of things, but I always carry a bit of
folding and my wallet. And if you really want to
carry something like your fib or your your your wallet
and you don't want to lose it, put it in
your front of your pocket and your jeenes because it
never comes out of that little pocket in your front.

Speaker 9 (01:16:31):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Yeah, good to thanks Jason. You see, my thing is
I'm so dangerously The only good thing about my phone addiction,
and a lot of that is to do with the
New York Times crosswords and such.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Addictive connections and with a mini crossword hundred a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Yet I've done a couple under the minute. I had
absolute blow out. Let's not talking about it today, but
The one positive about my phone addiction is that I
always sense when I don't have it on me.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Yeah, love it. Seven to three. We're going to pick
this up again very shortly. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighties and number to call?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Are you going full digital wallet? And tell us about
how much you paid for you fob when it went missing,
the issues that affect you, and a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Of fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo xc N eighty Innovation,
Style and design.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Have it all News.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Talks B News Talk ZB it is five to three
a couple of teachers of the news. Then we're going
to pick it back up after three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah, gaday fellas. I went to get a new keyfob
for our VW two egg. Quote from VW New Zealand
was eighteen hundred dollars it out. Couldn't get it any cheaper.
You can buy a replica for thirty dollars from TIMU,
but VW won't program it for you. Yeah, I mean
risky on TIMO. If you think about security, Tmu's rubbish.

(01:17:51):
They say it has to come through the dealer. Would
love to get an explanation from VW Dealer on why
it cost eighteen one hundred dollars for a thirty dollar keyfob.
I mean, what is eighteen hundred How is that even possible?

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
That is insane? And eighteen hundred bucks for one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Keybobing that's doing pretty basic stuff that would.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Take them what probably five minutes just to program.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Yeah, So is this someone that's doing this that can
ring up and explain, because I've got a service to
come around and do it for me once. It's like
a locksmith come and you know, clone my fob. Yeah,
and that costs a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Why racketeering operation going on? Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two ninety
two is the text number. New sport and weather coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Yeah, And as well as these expensive fobs and digital keys,
I want to hear from people that are running a
full digital wallet.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Your new homes are insightful and entertaining. Talk It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo XC eighty on
News Talk SEV.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Good afternoon, welcome back to the show. Seeven pass three
and we're talking about digital car keys. It is the
future more and more major car manufacturers looking into the
digital car keys. They are more convenient, they say, by
allowing drivers to unlock and start their vehicles using a smartphone. Matt,
you love this idea because you are horribly addicted to
your phone.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Yeah, that's right, so I never leave it behind. I'm
not happy about being horribly addicted to my phone, but
I'm never going to lose it because I'll feel it
in my soul if it's not with me for a second.
Whereas you know, keys, you know, cards, all that kind
of stuff, I can easily lose. Also, I just like
having empty pockets. It seems ridiculous to have this fob

(01:19:42):
of got here for my car that as people are
texting in and ringing in saying, if you lose it
can cost up to eighteen hundred dollars to replace. Yeah,
or you know, seven hundred dollars as you paid because
you didn't check that your insurance would pay for it. Yeah,
but that just seems crazy because it is just the
same thing, whether it's the the setup and the fob,

(01:20:02):
or you have it as an app on your phone.
What is the big difference. If anything, the phone is
much more secure.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Yeah, it does feel like I have. How do you
lock your house though? When you when you leave the house,
if you're not got like a massive chain digital? Oh,
it's digital.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
It's digital in my house. I don't think it gives
too much away.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
I thought I almost seed you there, I'll say that differently.
There we go. You've confused a matter now, But keen
to hear from you. I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty.
How do you feel about the idea of digital card keys?

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Yeah, and the idea of a complete digital situation like
I pay my credit cards and my IF poster all
in my phone. Now that that's fantastic. I don't really
you know, if I'm going to a concert, it's all
in there. I don't really need to have a wallet anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
And you must you must have a backup credit card
when you go out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
No, no, I just don't take it out with me.
The credit card sits at home. Adam you, what are
your thoughts on this?

Speaker 9 (01:20:59):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:21:00):
Yeah, totally get the idea of him a key for
your car. But Matt, yes, I got can't buy you
the game running with the old digital elbow skins.

Speaker 7 (01:21:12):
But what do you deal with the driver's license?

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
I see this is a problem. This is a problem, Adam.
You've you've pointed out the big problem with this as
and this happened to me. This really bit me in
the butt, Adham. When I flew down to Queenstown recently
last year and I was supposed to go, I was going,
I had rented a house and Wonica and me and

(01:21:35):
my kids were going over there. Arrived at the airport
and I didn't have my license to get the rental car,
and so I tried to show them pictures of my
license from my phone and they're like, nah, you can't
get the rental car. So it's this is a late
flight into Queenstown, had to get a taxi from Queenstown
to Wantica in the middle of the night, right right
across the Crown.

Speaker 7 (01:21:55):
So you've just answered my question.

Speaker 19 (01:21:56):
I wondered if I could just leave my licensees home
and to show the cops photo.

Speaker 7 (01:22:03):
Never tested it, but sounds.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Like you have, yeah, And it was a massive fail
by the sounds of it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Well, because because what of the rule the rules is,
someone will tell me on eight hundred and eighteen eighty,
So you're supposed to have your license on you at
all times when you're driving Is that right, adam?

Speaker 13 (01:22:17):
Yeah, that's everthin sixteen. I've been told you've got to
carry your license with.

Speaker 7 (01:22:21):
You at all times.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Yeah, but are the police gonna make Are the police
going to taser you and throw you in a cell
for not having it if you show the picture to them.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
I'd expect, so you know that's not appropriate at all.
They should be locking you up for that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Evention. But yeah, Adam, that very point you've made did
bite me in the backside?

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Well, I'm sure, as you say, someone will let us know.
I'm pretty sure. The fine is fifty bucks if you
don't have your license on you. So if you're okay
to pay fifty bucks if you get pulled over and
you can't present a license.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Would it kill the government to organize a digital license?
I mean, how hard has that to do? You know,
just going to kill your government? If you're listening.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
They don't like digital anything, though, isn't it. We want
digital voting, we want digital licenses, digital passports. Come on,
they hate it, they absolutely hate it. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Quick? Couple
of texts? Guys, what if your battery dies then you
can't start your car.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Yeah, I mean that's true. You have to keep some
you know, some battery. But you know what if the
better in your car dies, what if you're jump into
the water with you if someone did with their am
rock keys in their pocket when I and destroy it?
You know, what if? What if?

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
What if?

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
There is there are some things? You know, what if
you lose your keys?

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Can you start on your Wii because you've got the
Wi fob there and mines in my backpack and my locker.
You've got a Wii analogue one that you can pull
out of.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Yeah, can't you?

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
But then can you start your car? I don't think
you can.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Yeah, I don't know. Actually I think it would get
me in. But I think the only way to start
my car is the button. Yeah, yeah, I tell you what.
With new cars, it's an absolute disaster. You've got to
make sure, you know, if you run out of gas
and a new car now with things like automat ACCT handbrakes, yep,
and you know a bunch of computer stuff gets in
the way from you just wheeling your car off the road.

(01:24:02):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Oh, if your battery dies and you try and jump
start it yourself and you get it wrong cheap is
you're gonna know about it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Alistair says, guys, I had sorry Tyler, you want to
read it?

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
No, no, you go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
You wanted to read it. It's your one, Okay, you
go for it. Thanks mate. Hey, guys, I had the
unfortunate situation of my phone going down a long drop toilet,
so best to have a backup plan. And yesterday for
some reason, payWave wasn't working. Yeah, I mean your phone
can go down, yeah, but yeah, but yeah, I mean
a back up because you could so your partners could

(01:24:36):
have a clone of your key on their phone, you know,
if they've got the app as well. Because you can
have that, you can have it on everyone's phone and
your family. Yeah, and that's why it has these cool features,
like you could just stop your kid from taking your
car if you didn't want them to, by turning off
their access to the car.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Yeah, yeah, great point.

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
thirteen past three, Good afternoon. We're talking about digital car keys.
They are becoming more problem more more common, not problematic.
They do offer convenience the car manufacturers saying, of course
they would if they work by allowing drivers to unlock

(01:25:13):
and start their vehicles using a smartphone, and Matt is
trying to go fully digital as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And look, this is a good one.
So you were saying before can you start your car
if you've got the key? And then someone said you
could press your key against the push starter button to
start your car. How it works? But no, I think
with my car key, if it doesn't detect that there's

(01:25:39):
a car key in the car, then it won't start.
So it has to detect the key as well, exactly.
You know, it detects when I get close and it
unlocks the doors. This is the fob I'm currently wanting,
and then and then, but it has to be there.
So I just don't think there's any difference really between
having in a fob like this and having it as
an app on your phone. I think that's just the
way it's going to be going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
I tend to agree, but that doesn't answer so with
the analogue part that you pull out of the fob,
most of them have it. There's no ignition put the
analog key.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Into so you can't start it, so that'll get you
into your car. Yeah, and at that point you can
eat the sunglasses or whatever out of it if you
a problem. But yeah, you know you're still straightted.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
I think I have gone into the digital car key column.

Speaker 19 (01:26:22):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
They sound like a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Michael, what's your take on this?

Speaker 21 (01:26:30):
Yeah, Hi, guys, can hear me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
I can hear you loud and clear, Michael, no worries.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:26:36):
So I drive a EV and I use my phone
as everything for the car. So I just want to
give my twenty cents on the matter. You know, when
you forget your car keys at home, or well your
phone at home, you're stuck in the mud. So that's
when you know your phone is always there for when
you need it, especially if you use it as a
car fop. But that's always why I take the car. Well,

(01:26:57):
you get a credit card essentially that acts like a
key for the card the car to operate. But I
just want to say it's so convenient because I don't
need to carry keys at all. You know, the car
the house door, uses the code to go into the car,
uses your phone to unlock and open and to activate

(01:27:18):
and start, and I don't see the security problems with that,
because on my phone, on the app that links to
the car, I can track and monitor the status of
the car and its location at all times. So it's
kind of no point in worrying about security. So, you know,
it just makes life so much more convenient. And you know,

(01:27:39):
in the worst case, when I need to get on
the ferry to go through Waiki Island and somebody needs
to get my car, I can remotely give them access
to my car for a period of time, so they can,
you know, come and pick me up at the ferry terminal.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Yeah, I don't understand the secure I'm with you, Michael,
I don't understand the security concerns because if you just
have a fob to open it, right, that is just
a physical thing. Anyone that's got it compress the thing.
But to get into your phone, they're going to have
to go through your password or face ID. So the
digital key in your phone has already got layers of
security that the current the current fob situation doesn't help, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 21 (01:28:17):
And the car, when you get in the car, you
open it, it requires you to add a pass key
before you can actually activate the vehicle. So even if
they got through your phone and activated the car, they
still need to get your pass key. And you know
that's just another layer of security, which you know, it's
kind of points is trying to feal a vehicle these days.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Yeah, and so Michael, does your you know, so on
your on your car, does it have proximity opening so
when you get close, it just opens up because it's
detected that your phone is near it.

Speaker 21 (01:28:47):
And that's the best part. You know, my phone is
always worth me because I'm very I know, I know
you guys are right. You know, if you lose your phone,
you lose half your life because everything is on your phone.
So that's one of the most important things you need
to look after is look after your phone. Don't lose it,
don't be reckless, don't just leave it behind. But regardless,
it opens up when I get to the car. It

(01:29:07):
closes automatically when I leave the car. And sometimes I
go away for work and get loan vehicles from the
airport and I forget to lock the car because I'm
so used to my car just reacting to my phone.
That's on me always that I need to think about
this because now I need to actually use a fob
key to lock the car or press a button on
the car for it to lock.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
And so if someone did get your phone and walk
towards the car, that would still open it. So someone
had nipt your phone, it would open it. But when
they got into your car, they wouldn't be able to
start it because they wouldn't.

Speaker 21 (01:29:38):
Have the code exactly exactly, they can't get anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
So just just walk me through how if someone wants
to drive your car, or you want to loan your
car out, or you take it them for service n
or to the mechanic. How does that work? So you
give them a code to your key?

Speaker 12 (01:29:54):
No?

Speaker 21 (01:29:55):
No, I just go on my app and I activate
the car to be usable for a certain period of time.
Car right, smarteah, And then it allows them access to
use the car, and I can still monitor and track everything.
I can see the speed they're driving, I can see
what they're doing, and I even have a camera in
the car that I can actually look at what's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
It's a tesla, is it?

Speaker 24 (01:30:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:30:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Are they doing anything? Have you ever caught anyone doing
anything interesting in the car?

Speaker 5 (01:30:19):
No.

Speaker 21 (01:30:19):
I always blocked the speed limit to eighty so if
I least somebody use the vehicle. I just blocked the
speed because I can control that, so they can't faster
than eighty just so that they don't get any speed phones.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
And if they do something wrong, can you just send
them home, put them on auto CUPI lock them out
to the police, bring them around to your house for
a seeing too.

Speaker 20 (01:30:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:30:42):
I think it's the way to go.

Speaker 21 (01:30:43):
You know, it's so convenient. And yeah, I do understand
the prices of keyfobs if you're unfortunately to lose it,
it's so expensive and it's just a hassle.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Yeah, and so and of course this control on your phone,
that's just stand up with the car. You're not paying
paying anything at all for that. So and it can
never be locked, so you know, because even if you
lose your phone, then you'll just get a new phone.
And then you the download the app again and register.

Speaker 21 (01:31:09):
Yeah you can actually, if you have a spouse or
other people that used the vehicle, you can just have
them are done with the app and register your vehicle.
So they can also use their phones as a key
to your car. So your wife or if you have asbend.
You know, everybody uses the same yeah phone or app
to the vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Yeah, that's fantastic, Thank you so much. Michael so I
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty Are you open to
this going fully digital so everything's on your phone, your
credit cards and even the keys to your car are
on your phone or are you worried about that?

Speaker 4 (01:31:40):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Love to hear from you I eight hundred eighty ten
eighty supplementary question.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Why the hells is replacing a fob cost eighteen hundred dollars?
Sometimes we haven't heard from someone to explain that situation.
How can cloning a key possibly cost that much?

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
There's a massive conspiracy there. Love to hear from you. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty twenty two Parts three.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on used.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
To good afternoon, twenty four past three, and we're talking
about the rise of digital car keys. They're becoming more common.
They are pretty convenient. You can just unlock or start
your vehicle using a smartphone. And it's not the only
thing that we can input into our smartphone these days.
Pretty much everything. Your credit cards, can't get your driver's

(01:32:30):
license yet. Yeah, I hope the government gets on board.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
With that sort that out government. You know, you can
get a picture of it, but that's not good enough.
As I tried it at the budget rentals and then
at Queen's out Hereport they wouldn't accept the picture my phone.
You guys, crack me up. Convenient laugh laf love lave, love,
love love. How hard is it to unlock a door
or put the key in? The agnition, I'll stick to
my eighty nine land Cruiser or my escort. Thanks, I see,

(01:32:54):
not that kind of escort, right, And then we wonder
why kids can't even wipe their noses. Yeah, I mean
it's true. I mean, it isn't that hard, is it really?

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
No, it isn't actually that hard that much time to
your nay, does it really?

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
But you know, the thing is if you do lose
your keys, and even super smart people like you Tyler
have lost lost their keys and had to pay seven
hundred dollars to get the fob replaced, I'll tell me
not the keys on the eighty nine land Cruiser, because
that is I don't imagine those keys would cost that
much to replace.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
How do you do it? I mean, for the people
that like to go for a run. For example, you're
not going to carry your massive key chain in your
pocket while you're going for a run. And you kind
of have to write even with a fop and I've
got to take my fob off every time I want
to go out for a wee run.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
It's pain in the butt.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Mary Anne, you do not support going fully digital. I understand, Marianne.
Marian Mary, she is there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
I mean she's maybe she didn't like us singing that much.

Speaker 8 (01:33:55):
Marianne.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
All right, we're gonna we're gonna come back to Marianne.

Speaker 12 (01:34:00):
What is that?

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
That songs by Leonard Cohen? Isn't it? Well, Marianne, I.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Just followed you or Lee, It's sounded really good. Oh wait, hello,
there we go.

Speaker 22 (01:34:10):
Sorry, Hey, thanks guys. Hey listen.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
A couple of points.

Speaker 22 (01:34:15):
I went traveling recently, and it wasn't infrequent that although
the machines looked like they took payWave, the people wanted
your physical card. This was like India, Sri Lanka, a
couple other places. So I don't know, it's because they
didn't want to pay a payWave you know charge, which
you know we get now here in New Zealand. You know,

(01:34:36):
do you accept an extra amount if you use payWave.
I don't know if that was the reason or whether
in some places they're just not set up for it.
So it was very useful to have the physical cards
as well as the digital ones on my machine. The
other thing is the app, which was really useful. I
actually lost one of my visas and I was able

(01:34:57):
to go into the app for A and Z and
switch it on and off, so that if somebody had
found it. It was really good. I mean I could
still use it. I didn't have to completely in it,
but if I knew I had to pay or wanted
to pay something with that card, I could just unlock
it for you know, a minute or two and then
lock it back up. So I think the digital things

(01:35:19):
are very clever, but I don't think, particularly if you're traveling,
you should rely on them alone.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Yeah, I think you'd be bold just to take your phone,
and especially if you're traveling to somewhere like India and
just expect everyone to be able to to run the
payWave situation on your phone. But did you did you
get did you find your credit card again?

Speaker 5 (01:35:40):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:35:40):
I never did, actually, so when I got home, I
canceled it and got a new art. I don't know
what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
I must have dropped it because you could turn it
off for anyone trying to use it had no luck.

Speaker 22 (01:35:49):
They had nobody tried to use it. I don't think.
I mean, you know, there was no calls from me
and Z saying, oh, have you just tried to buy
a car?

Speaker 20 (01:35:58):
And you know, Luce or something like that.

Speaker 8 (01:36:02):
So I think I just I just dropped it somewhere,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
But say in the future, Marianne, like down the track,
when everyone's got that and the technology has moved on
to the point it is now where you expect people
to be able to take f bos everywhere. Do you
like the idea of having a completely digital setup so
you only have to have your phone and that'll get
you into a car, that'll get you into a house
that you can pay for everything on it. It's got

(01:36:27):
your driver's license on it's got your passport on it.

Speaker 22 (01:36:30):
No, No, I don't. Actually, I think it's still useful
to have the physical card. I mean, for example, you're
saying everything's digital, but you know I had to actually
go into banks and use my credit card in a
machine to get cash. I can't see that change in
any time fast, because you know, that's just it's a

(01:36:53):
long way off that and that's not just somewhere like India,
that's anywhere, and you know the States or Europe. You
need a card if you're going to go and get money.
So no, I don't see it happening anytime soon. And
I buy those little you know, scan of protector envelope
so you can put your credit card inside them so

(01:37:14):
that you know, there used to be people would use
a machine and they could read your card, so you know,
I try to be careful with it, but I can't
see them ever being completely well, not not for a
very long time, completely replaced. And just finally I had
the same thing at Queenstown Airport where I turned up
and just by dumb luck, I actually had my driver's

(01:37:37):
silence with me. But you know, it never occurred to
me that i'd need it to hire a car.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
I forgot good reminder. Yeah, all right, thank you so much,
So long maran, great vocal.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
That's lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
I was actually almost hitting the chain. You tried to
harmonize and you just were so flat then, Tyler that
you ran that was actually quite a good fare. Well
to Marianne, we.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Didn't actually ask what she thought about our singing.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Well, my singing was good and that's quite I think
that's objective.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
Can we get Mary an Beck and just get a
review on that? Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call? Are you all for going fully
digital on the back of these car keys that are
now digital on your phone? Or do you still like analog?
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Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean, And we're talking about
digital car keys. They are becoming more common with more
major car manufacturers utilizing them for new vehicles. It's effectively
a car key on your phone.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Tyler, you run one of those humiliating sort of wallet
situations that wraps around your phone.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
Yeah, it's nice, isn't it. It's effectively So look these
might drive his license front and center, so and look
at this that comes off there. I mean, I've got
to explain it to everybody listening. It's effectively a phone case.
And like a little man bag wallet situation going on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
It's basically the size of a brick. It's absolutely huge
and very nerdy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
But like you, I know when I don't have it
on me because it's so frick and massive.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
But wouldn't you rather all that stuff just went inside
your phone and then you wouldn't have to have the
humiliating little leather case around it. It would be handy
as it is.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
I mean, I do feel like a real muppet when
I'm at the checkout and I'm trying to find the
right card.

Speaker 19 (01:40:45):
Is it that one?

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
Is that one?

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Guys? This one? This text fully digital never New World Order?
Next thing barcodes tattooed on the back of your neck.
I mean, yeah, that is true. And a few people
who are saying that, Matt, why don't you just get
chipped if you love it so much? And that is
the natural end to it, where you just had a chip.
I talked to the sky. I interviewed this guy recently
who was chipping all his people that worked in his factory,

(01:41:08):
and so they could just walk in it was under
the skin, and then everywhere they went and every computer
would go just unlocked when they went near it and stuff,
and he swore by chipping as employees. I don't think
I would allow my look as much as I love
in zed me as a company and used to ZB,
I don't think i'd allow them to chip me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
No, I don't know if I'd do it for ZB.
I might do it for convenience of shopping. David, how
are you mate?

Speaker 7 (01:41:35):
Yeah, I just got a couple of things. One as
we fully going digital. I live in the Hawks pay
and we had a CD moment one go. As everybody knows,
we had no power for three weeks. People couldn't charge
the APPLA. I was security in the street. Came down
to get industry. So basically, when it came to me

(01:41:57):
having generators, I had them, but not everybody has one.
So that's the first thing. And the second thing is
when you were talking earlier about driver's licenses. The driver's license,
as I do believe, falls under the act that came
out in two thousand and two called the Electronics Transactions
at two thousand and two. And what that act did.

(01:42:19):
It said that you weren't allowed to ignore the validity
of something just because it was in an electronic format.
That now has that act now has been incorporated into
another Act and it's called the Business something about the Act.
I can't remember the exact wording of that, but if
you sat on the government website for Electronics Transactions at

(01:42:42):
two thousand and two, I have no doubt it will
come up, because that's how I leave it and changed.
So the format has been in there for years, but
nobody's really pushed it. I had a situation the four
years ago where I was dealing with a government department
and someone was being a bit of a bully, and
I asked for some information and they asked for some

(01:43:05):
information back, and I gave it to them in an
electronic format. They said to me, you can't do that,
we need the heart copy. I went back to them
and quoted the section of the Act and under the
Electronics Transactions Act, and the problem went away. So it
leads me to put it applies to everybody, not just
some people. And it also implies that the Act implies

(01:43:30):
correctly to driver's licenses as well.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
So you're saying, David, that in line with that Act,
then showing a picture of your driver's license should be enough.

Speaker 7 (01:43:43):
Yeah, it should be. And go one step further on that,
I have actually been pulled up and have actually used
my phone, and the opposite did scan my phone for
the barcode and doing that sort of stuff. So, you know,
so if you can't, if the law says you can't. Firstly,
you can't contract out of the law. The second thing

(01:44:05):
it says is that you're allowed to use an alex
tronic format and it can't lose its validity just because
it's an electronic format. And I remember that's the way
it was written. Yeah, unless they've got some other validity reason,
they can't do it just because it's an electronic format.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Well, thank you so much for cool David. Very interesting.
Do you remember when they used to say that, you know,
when it came to signing contracts, it was okay if
they came through on a fax machine, so if it
was signed and then it printed out again. But I
always thought that was meaningless. You know, what, what's the
difference really if it's on a fax or you know,
on an email. You know, it was like it was

(01:44:46):
like because the facts were slightly older technology, it was
somehow more legit. You know, that's kind of the Amish
way of looking harmsh way of looking things. You decide
a line in the sand where it's where technology is at,
you know, And the kind of same with the fob
and the app on your phone. The fob is just
a piece of digital technology, whether it's existing as an

(01:45:07):
app on your phone or not. It's just a matter
of where you sit in time. But what David said
about the you know, not having power in your phone,
not being able to charge in situations like Gabrielle and such,
that's a really good point. So you definitely want to
have that little ten at home that has your if
we do go to digital passports and licenses and keys

(01:45:30):
and all that kind of stuff, you would want to
have the little you know, solid, you know, impenetrable box
at home that had all your actual original documentation for
when you know the apocalypse.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Its yeah, the little black box full of cash.

Speaker 4 (01:45:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty see number call
some great texts coming through. Will get to a few
of those very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Afternoon. It is seventeen to four and we're talking about
digital car keys? Are they the future going one hundred
percent digital?

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
As well? Having everything on your phone, your passport, your license, everything,
your birth certificate, your car keys, the whole life in
your phone. Do you support it? One hundred and eighty
ten eighty. I was saying, if you did that, then
you would want to have a special impenetrable box at
home that has all your official documentation that you go

(01:46:35):
to it if the crap hits the fan.

Speaker 21 (01:46:37):
Yep K.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
This text from Steve here. What's the point of a
secure box in your home if you can't get into
your home? Steve? Yeah, So exactly what I was a
visioning is sort of a John Wick type situation. If
you've seen that Fantastic movie when he decides to come
out of retirement to kill a bunch of Russian gangsters.
He takes to the floor of his garage with a
sledgehammer and he opens the box. He's got all the

(01:46:59):
different passports, he's got all the different money, he's got
all the documentary documentation. He means, he's got all those
gold coins he needs to run his thing and he's
got all of the guns he does. Yea, I was
imagining that kind of thing. Concrete it into the back
of your house just for you know, it could be outside,
just for when things go back.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
But aside from taking on Russian gangsters, have you got
time to get the sled chammer out and just get
through a concrete floor to get the stuff that you need?

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
You know, sometimes you've got to go pretty fast.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
I don't know if you've got an hour there just
to get through that concrete floor.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Yeah, it might be a lot to concrete. Your fob
is your other option to get into your car. Mark
your thoughts, Welcome.

Speaker 13 (01:47:36):
The show, Yeah, good after him, guys, enjoy your afternoon shows.
I think listening, you know, yeah, I'm a bit old fashion,
and I don't think you want to break concrete for
a price of concrete these days, a lot of them.
Every time you're going to do that, you're going to
go through a lot of concrete, quite cool concrete rooms.

(01:48:02):
Old fashion. I do believe that digital is going to
be coming in the way, and I know someone mentioned
barcades eventually. Who knows in the future whether you get
a little barcade on under your wrest like you've seen
on those movies and everything information and your your blood
type and everything could be on that. But I think
my dad, I've been I've learned up my dad. He

(01:48:23):
always taught me to always make sure carry some cash
with you and Becky, what's not a huge amount, that's
enough to take a guess and get some food because
electronics does go down, digital will go down, and you
know who wants to be that guy in the fish
and chip shop when the ed posco is there because
you can't buy you and your sausages.

Speaker 9 (01:48:43):
So you know, I've got mini.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
Mentioning those onon sausages again Matty.

Speaker 13 (01:48:53):
But yeah, and also like traveling over says, you'll set up.
Myself and my wife have done it. And we always
made sure that we had a just a small, small
little die that you can put in your back in
their head. Everyone's numbers because if you lost your phone,
you know you go and use a foreign in a
country like Australia and all that. I only look. Only
took me three years to following member my wife's cell

(01:49:16):
phone number, so I can't remember everyone announce Yeah, so
and that helps out. And we took cash as well.
But I'm just a little bit wary about that, the
whole digital phase, because, like you say, your cars and
stuff like that, like you know, a previous call city
you can un lock it and all that sort of stuff.
In near future time, you know, be able to program

(01:49:36):
the any thing to drive up and drive bay and
back you out, you know. And do you really want
to be sitting at your table and someone in India
is trying to scan you and they lock into your
car and drive it off on your way. You eat
and your tea and you go, oh, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Especially if they decide to raid the restaurant your own well,
and I.

Speaker 13 (01:49:53):
Think there's too lot infrastructure and is youll infrastructure like
you know how miss spots in his yell on the
straw pretty poor for cell phone reception. If you go
somewhere either deep South or over on the coast or
something like that, and you want to pay someone by banking,
then the next minute in hiving, banking can't work because
you don't have internet connection. So you've got to drive
to the nearest town hoping that they've got a bank

(01:50:14):
machine or a dairy that's got enough case to buy
whatever hold you're going to buy. Off the West coast people.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
So yeah, there you go.

Speaker 13 (01:50:22):
You know, you've still got to think think smart too,
you know. So I know people don't like carrying a
lot of cash, but you know you've got to carry
something driver's license. I got caught up with an iPhoto
snapped mind, thinking wif I lose it? And I went
to the heya and do a vehicle changeover, and they
asked for proof of idea, and I said, I shove
this my wallet at home. I said, I have my

(01:50:44):
phone and I got my license on it.

Speaker 9 (01:50:46):
They wouldn't accept it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the same thing to me. Thanks for that, Mark,
And yeah, boy, I'm salivating thinking about a good old
duned and onion sausage.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
Sounds good right now?

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
Yeah, another thing about the tattooed codes on your neck
where everything goes and the chipping. This text is here,
Chris is Matt Your reference to barcodes tattooed on people's
heads also has a link to the of the beast
referred to in the Book of Revelations, So it might
really kick off some other stuff if we go too far.

Speaker 9 (01:51:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to cool hato, how are you this afternoon.

Speaker 24 (01:51:21):
Great guys, always enjoyable to listen to it.

Speaker 9 (01:51:24):
A couple of things.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
First one, they're using QR.

Speaker 24 (01:51:28):
Codes in a number of hospitals that you walk in
and they can beat and they know who's been needed
to know who you are, so they're being used around
the world. Second thing, why not just put a little
microchip in your arm and you can just walk up
and do anything you want pay for it, which is
going to make people go spastic. And then the other

(01:51:49):
one would be that if you take a photo of
your passport when you travel and your passport gets stolen
or done, you can actually use that to get into
a number of countries you can because you can show it.

Speaker 9 (01:52:03):
Yeah you can.

Speaker 12 (01:52:04):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
Yeah, so that's it.

Speaker 24 (01:52:05):
I Mean, we talked about the licenses, but if you
use your passport and you take a photo of it,
it's a really good way to have another form of
wealth protection when you're traveling. Because I know someone who
used it to get into Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
I did not know that.

Speaker 19 (01:52:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
Interesting, I mean, just on the chip, hater, and we
can all sit here and laugh and say, you know,
that's that's just fiction. That's never going to happen. I
can envision that being an option very soon.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
It's not that fix. Normal dog's got a chip in
them exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:52:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
And for you, hato, is that a step too far?
Because I can honestly sit here and say I would
probably be okay with that if it's you know, for
shopping at the grocery store. But I get that for
a lot of people it would be a step too far.

Speaker 24 (01:52:53):
Correct, they would be and it's and it's a thought,
and then it would obviously be your option. It's not
going to be a thing that they're going to say
you have to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
But if you had the option, or if I.

Speaker 24 (01:53:01):
Had the option to put that chip in there, that
would pay for my groceries, pay.

Speaker 4 (01:53:07):
For my restaurant, pay for I opened my car, opened
my front door.

Speaker 21 (01:53:12):
And I had to do was put it across it.

Speaker 24 (01:53:14):
I'm fine, you can always And instead of having a
concrete floor that you have to smash while it's safe.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
Yeah, yeah, good, good, No, I don't know. I think
the concrete floor that you smashed every time you need
your original documents is smart.

Speaker 16 (01:53:27):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:53:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
It was a great scene, dramatic, dramatic scene, and great
editing that scene. Between that and the Russian gangster working
out that his son had annoyed him, sold my car
last year, went back into the Ford app on my
phone recently to add my new car, and my other
car was still on there. Could see exactly where it
was and could still lock and unlock and start the car.

(01:53:50):
That's a huge security risk. Luckily I'm a nice, honest
person and deleted it. Yeah, that that is a that
is I've heard of. There's been a few things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Yeah, that is terrifying. Right, We're going to wrap this
up very shortly, but keen to hear from you. O
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
Gone are the days where people can double d clutch
and toe and heel at the same time. You might
need peeps to explain this to you.

Speaker 8 (01:54:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Yeah, I've been explaining the whole clutch thing to my
kids and this there's a double chundre there. I must say,
I'm not sure there.

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Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
It is five to four and been having a great
discussion about digital car keys. Should we go fully digital
or are you a bit worried about that?

Speaker 4 (01:54:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
And it all started with talking about fobes as well
and how expensive they are to get replaced. Few people
have been texting through. You can go to mister Minute
or one of those kiosks in the wall or of
variety places and get the fib you have now cloned
before you lose it, and that'll cost you abut one
hundred hundred fifty dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
Rather than seven hundred lat muggins over here.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Yeah, so it might be a thing that's worth doing
because the chances are you will lose it at some point. Yep,
someone will lose your keys for you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Yeah, exactly a couple of techs to wrap it all up, guys,
I think a lot more people would lose their arms
rather than their wallet. You could not imagine how many
wallets get stolen when someone goes around. Yes, to go
fully digital makes a whole lot of sense. I hate
carrying around too much stuff when I go about my
day to day. Having it all on your phone just

(01:55:33):
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
We had our new Zealand passports stolen at the very
top of Norway beside Russian border. Photocopy or not, we
could not even leave Norway until we had new passports
from High Commission in London. Courier to us. No airline
would touch you. That's on the back of a call
it Hayden saying that you can use a picture of
your passport into some countries. But yeah, I mean Russian border.
That might be a different thing. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, full

(01:55:57):
digital is great, but make sure you get all your
original documents, some cash and some gold coins and a
number of weapons and bury them under some concrete and
your garage in case the crap goes down, John Wick style.
That's my advice to you, all right. Anyway, Look, thanks
for listening, and see us tomorrow afternoon for aternoons that
are saying it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:15):
Is now afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
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twelve Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
Absolutely, see you there.

Speaker 22 (01:56:23):
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