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December 17, 2024 116 mins

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 18th of December - ACT MP Cameron Luxton's Private Members Bill on Easter Trading failed to pass and we heard so many opinions.

Then - is it ok to wear shorts to work, or does it depend on the workplace?

Plus in the Matt & Tyler Great New Zealanders of Christmas series, a special guest - Jude Dobson.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matton Tyler
Afternoon Podcast for Wednesday, the eighteenth of December in the
Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty four. Fantastic show today,
a lot of talk about walk Shorts. Actually, everything we
say at the start of the show that we're going
to talk about we didn't get around to talking to,
did we really?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
No? No, I mean we went crazy on Easter trading laws.
Man a chat about Easter trading laws.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Shocking call from Bob. So wait for that call from Bob. Bob, Wow,
went nuclear out the gate. There's a lot of people
that don't love Christmas and want to cancel it, and
Bob wants to cancel end Zac Day. So anyway, a
great call from Bob. Then we went deep into walk
Shorts and we have a fantastic interview with Jude Dobson
about her book The Last Secret Agent, The Untold Story

(00:57):
of My life as a spy behind Nazi enemy Lions.
That was the book she wrote with Papa Latour, who
was She lived in Henderson Valley she died at one
hundred and two recently, but incredible story from her time
as a spy in France, spying on the nazis incredible stories.
So she joins us for a great chat.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, great New Zealander.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah she is all right, give them a taste of
Kiwi and make sure you sit to download and subscribe
and such.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Bless talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty
twenty four News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Zibby, Good afternoon, Welcome into the show. Sieven past one.
I hope you're having a great day yet a Maddie, I.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Understand you've been doing some trimming Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Well, you know those just small moments of joy sometimes
you find in life. And I found a lot of
moments of joy this week when I went down to
min ten and I purchased a battery powered line from
a m man. I've been having some fun with it.
It is just there's something about a battery power to
all for not just men, for ladies out there as well.
I was just so excited when I got at home

(02:07):
and got it out of the I was like a
kid at Christmas. Then I plugged in the battery. I
had to wait a grueling two hours for it to
charge up. That was a bit of a pain, but
it was like getting an rcy car as a kid.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
And then have you have you you know how to
replace the little cord when it breaks, it does it automatically,
does it well for a while, and then you left
to a place. Yeah yeah, but it's not like a
perpetual cord machine. No.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
No.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
But the guy down at might a ten, he he
gave me all the tools for it, got my wee
safety glasses as well. So you know, being safe out there, mate.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
When you want pure joy in life, the ultimate joy
as a leaf blower, a leaf blow.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I'm looking forward to that day. I've seen the neighbor
with the leaf blower, a man. He looks like he's
having fun. There's no leaves out there when he's doing it.
He's just blowing.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Even the leaf blower. Cigarettes going up your sleeves. It's
a good time. Yeah, no, like a good power tool. Well,
good on you for finding those little bits of joy,
and yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
So I'm still going strong. I mean, the lawn's almost
dying at this point, but those lines are clean and
I've even done the neighbor's place, So if anyone needs
some line trimming done, I'm ready to go. I only
get forty minutes out of the battery though. Anyway, right
onto the show after three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Year After three o'clock we joined by Jude Dobson for
our Great New Zealanders of Christmas series. We're going to
talk a little bit about her smash hit book about
Purpolla Tour that came out this year, The Last Secret
Agent My Life is a spy behind Nazi lines with
the last surviving World War II British spy. A lot
of you will have read this book and it's just

(03:37):
an incredible story. Living in the Henderson Valley one hundred
and two years old, she was Purpola Tour. But what
a lot of people didn't know in the story she
had never told to now was about her work as
a spy behind the Nazi lines in France. Is incredible,
incredible story. So we'll talk to Jude Dobson about that.

(03:59):
I mean, it's the book's been a huge success, has
been fourth edition printing in New Zealand, massive in Australia.
It's coming out, It's come out in the UK now
and it's got a big launch in the year, so
it's pretty amazing success for Jude Dobson, a person that's
had a lot of success in our life.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Absolutely, so looking forward to that chat and we will
have a copy of her book to give away at
the end of the show after two o'clock. A Batch
is worth It? This is on the back of an
abandoned batch that's for sale on Kawoh Islands. But the
question we want to shak in the mix.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
It hasn't been touched for was it forty years and
it's still all the sheets are still on the beds.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
It was a good, old classic Kiwi batch though it was.
But is the idea of owning the old humble Kiwi
batch half in more trouble than it's worth it? There's
the fights with family who gets it over Eastern Christmas?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I'm going to come out against batches and cribs as
they're called where I come from in the Deep South,
because everyone I know that's got a batch, it's the
same story. What are you doing this week?

Speaker 4 (04:55):
You know?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Good draw up to the bitch mo the Goddom lawns.
What are you doing for the holidays? We're going to
go to the batch. Why are you looking so stressed? Oh,
my brother isn't helping out with sorting out the batch.
When it becomes a family situation. My sister's kids went
up there and had a party and she's not taking responsibility. Yep,

(05:16):
it's a headache. That's a massive hit. You don't have
a batch and its been so how much you spent
on a batch? So if you spent let's say a
million dollars on a batch, because I've got friends that
have been a million dollars in a batch, what else
could you spend a million dollars in terms of holidays
across your life.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
That's a lot of Airbnbs, isn't it you wouldn't be
sure of.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
To be fair, I don't like Airbnbs either.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
That's going to be a good chat up at two o'clock.
But right now, let's have a chat about Easter trading laws.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
So there and also Tyler, Yeah, speaking of giving away
copies of books, we're giving away a copy of a
Christmas stocking filler and some quality summer reading. We're give
me away a copy of my book Are Lifeless, Punishing
Thirding Ways to Love Your Life? You got at the
end of this hour.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Absolutely, we are two copies to give away. And I've
got to say I read the chapter last night on
worry because I am a bit of a warrior, sometimes
not the one, and you know, put a lot of
things into perspective. I've got to say, mate, you know,
and we've we've all got worries over summer. So maybe
I'll just read a piece that resonated with me.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Okay, all right, let's just sorry to insert that in there.
But now, what's the topic we're talking about this hour?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Easter trading laws.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, so this is this is being voted on right now.
Might have even passed.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yes, well we will find out more information very shortly
about whether it passed. But this is a good chat.
So this is the repeal of Good Friday and Easter
Sunday as restricted trading days. So you know the deal.
When it comes to Good Friday and Easter Sunday, everything
has to be closed. You can't go to the supermarket,
you can't go to the Boos store, you can't go anywhere.
So one of the act ministers, Cameron Luxton, he pulled

(06:54):
that hit. Well, that was his book when it got
pulled out of the Tin and has been voted on
as we speak. But this is controversial. This has been
a rule in place for some time. A lot of
retailer and favor of it because it gives their workers time.
And there's some retail who are not in favor of
it because if they want to open up on Good
Friday or Easter Monday and make some money, why can't they?

Speaker 2 (07:17):
What do you think of it?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
I hope that the bill passes. I think we should
be able to buy things on Easter Friday, okay, and
Easter Monday, and well Easter.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Sunday, Easter Sunday rather. And I'll tell you why. I mean,
I got caught out with this Good Friday and Easter Sunday.
Make get it right?

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah yeah, okay, just open it up all the time
is my thinking on this. And I'll tell you why
I got caught out last Easter. And I know that's
probably my issue that I got caught out there that
we were heading away to the batch. Funnily enough, and
we got to Nelson before we hit it to Marlborough
Sounds and I forgot that all the shops were going
to be closed on the Friday. So it was a
massive drama of figuring out right, we don't have the

(07:58):
food that we were going to contribute to everybody else
who was coming to the batch. We don't have the alcohol.
So that caused a lot of stress. And I think
for a religious holiday that a lot of people don't
particularly celebrate anymore in New Zealand because we are somewhat secular,
why not open it up. Why not let people trade
if they want to trade?

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Okay, And look, I think most people who agree with
you here, there's a poll done and sixty two percent
of Kiwis support it. And here's texture to come through.
You can spend Easter. Look, I'll describe my opinion on this, okay,
And it's a bit nuanced because I can see your
point of view on this, Tyler, and the majority of
people's point of view on this. And look, people will

(08:39):
think this is odd that I say this, because I
was raging against those disgusting laws that they're brought in
Auckland around not being able to buy a bottle of
wine on my way home after nine pm, because I
think that's disgusting. I think that we shouldn't punish the
majority for the poor behavior of the minority. But there
is a little bit of a nuance I have with

(09:00):
the whole Easter thing, and it was around this. One
of my favorite writers is this guy called Oliver Berkman.
He wrote the book four Thousand Weeks Time Management for Mortals,
and he's a fantastic philosopher out of the UK, and
he talks about a study that was done in Sweden
and it was from a health researcher at Uppsala University

(09:22):
found that when Swedes take time off, anti depressant prescriptions
go down, which isn't that surprising, but interestingly, the most
key part of it was the timing of those vocations.
The more people holiday at the same time, the greater
rate at which prescriptions decreased. So the reason why this is,
they believe is it's easier to nurture relationships with family

(09:44):
and friends when they're on leave. Two. Meanwhile, if the
office is deserted while you're trying to relax your spared
anxious thoughts about tasks piling up and boxes filling up
and colleagues scheming to take your jobs. So if everyone's off,
then it's easier to organize something to happen, like say
on Christmas Day, with your whole family and getting together
is so important, right, But if some people have to

(10:06):
go and work, or there's the opportunity do some work
because they need to make money, and I totally understand
that the burden falls on small businesses. And look, I
don't want infinite amount of these holidays and maybe not anymore,
but there's something really really great about everyone being off
at the same time. It's great for families and it's
great for just a little bit of a relax across

(10:28):
the nation, which is just go, go, go, and then
what's next? And we're going to be selling? Are we
going to be everything open on Christmas Day? Would you
want that?

Speaker 3 (10:35):
I wouldn't mind it. Yeah, I'll be okay with that generally.
I mean, look, I'm lucky enough to have had jobs
for a big chunk of my career that I get
those holidays off anyway. But if I was in a
position that I was working retail and I wasn't allowed
those days off because we are now maybe changing the legislation,
then that's the deal when you're in retail. But you

(10:55):
mentioned that study before. That is a fascinating study. I
didn't know that study, and that's a good argument, but
this is why this is going to be in forecast.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
And forced time off means that everyone's available on that
day and it's great for people, and there's not too
many of them left, So we give those things up
and they're gone for ever. And Bob just texted. And
you are a sad and sick individual, Bob, and you
have a very small and diseased outlook on life.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
A very angry Bob comment. Many it's quest, Bob. I'm on, Bob, Jeez,
there's this.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I tell you what I give an f about you
and your family?

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Bob.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, good God, always always take the higher grand oh
e one hundred and eighty ten eighty Is this the
right move to do away with the easter trading laws?
Love to hear your thoughts on this. Nine two ninety
two is the text number. It is sixteen past one.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you
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Speaker 3 (12:00):
Good afternoon nineteen past one. We're talking about a bill
that is going well being voted on in Parliament as
we speak, the repeal of Good Friday and Easter sun
Day as restricted trading days, so the biddle will allow
shops to open and hospitality venues to serve alcohol nationwide
on Good Friday and Easter Sunday.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
You're all for it because you want to be able
to go out and get steamed and buy bottles and
bottles of alcohol and act like a peg on these
important days.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Great for me, great for the economy, great for that
garden store on christ It so that always broke the rules.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
And I just say that we give away these these
blanket holidays. And I know they're not completely blanket, as
someone as Texas here and nine two nine two. I
guess you've heard of essential workers, Matt. Yes, I have nurses, police,
even the radio per centers. We're not essential. I like
your sentiment about family gatherings, but it won't be true
of every family. That's true, Joe, and it won't be true.
I mean, obviously there are people that are absolutely essential

(12:53):
and need to be out there working, but you know
there's arguably less for them to do on these blanket holidays.
But I just say we give them away at our peril,
because as the study I was talking about out of
Sweden says that it's so good for the social good
if people know that they can't work, and so everyone

(13:13):
knows that the majority of their families will be available
to get together and they know that they can't go
into work, and so they're not feeling like they're missing
out on something. And I just think those moments once
we give them away, because once we get rid of
this for Easter Friday and Easter Sunday, and I have
no doubt it will go through because that's the way
the world's going at the moment. But we will never
get those back. And so these shared experiences and Christmas

(13:36):
Days coming up right, and that is a fantastic day.
Will you know that nearly everyone apart from the great
New Zealanders that are nurses and police and such that
have to work, are going to be available and someone
sticks it through many Kiyi's a non Christian and don't
care about Christmas and Easter. I mean you can be
a non Christian. You can still care about Christmas and Easter, yeah,
just because just like I care about what other people

(13:58):
celebrate them. And that's fine. But also you can be
a non Christian and you can love Centa and you
can love getting together with your family and giving each
other presents. You don't need to be a Christian to
do so.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
I think that's a quite a narrow minded view if
you are in one of those positions we have got
to work through potentially the Good Friday or Easter Sunday.
Love to hear from you, because I get your point, Matt,
that I've been very lucky in most of my career
that I have had jobs that those days are off,
and you're right, that is when we have the big
family gatherings or we go away with friends. So that's

(14:29):
a very lucky position to be in. But the fact
that you force a business to close down on those
days for somewhat archaic reasons, in my view, that is
just what I'm talking about here. But I'm getting a
lot of.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
What do you think that when you say archaic reasons,
why do you say they are archaic reasons? Why do
you think that there were holidays? I mean, if you
go back and your study are why the Saints' days
were for the peasants back and when all these holidays
were going, they were because they realized that people needed
time off from things. So the reasons may in the
name of the name whatever but the reasons why they
do it are just as relevant now, perhaps more so

(15:03):
than ever, because we work more hours than ever.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yep, fair enough, I'm getting some pushback on this, which
I'm loving. Not nine two nine two is the text number, Peter,
how are you okay?

Speaker 6 (15:13):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (15:14):
Before my point, I was going to say, it's refreshing
having you guys on on the afternoon and really really
enjoying it. So well done, and I hope you both
have a great merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
And thank you so much, Peter, and I hope you
have a great Christmas as well.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
So I owned a retail business until comparatively recently, and
in the in the particular provincial part of New Zealand
where it was day, the council sort it back to
the old rules that had because under with Easter atsult.
So if a council decides who allow Sunday trading or
for Sunday and for Friday trading has allowed to So

(15:51):
I went to them and I said what what what story?
And they said, well, no one's ever asked us for
all how it? So I said, right, I'm asking. So
they the council then put up a proposal and I
came along and I was the only person that put
a submission in one one church put in a submission
against me and to allow its trading in our area.
And and I guess the main reason, and I think

(16:12):
why they that's the points that I made that really
resonated with them was when I said, look, what's so
special about retail, Because retail is the only industry that
has had a restriction on us in terms of equ
So you could keep your art galleries open.

Speaker 8 (16:28):
You can speak, you speak everything.

Speaker 7 (16:32):
Over retail stops. And so I said to them, you know,
if you think it's really important that retail people can
have to time off with their families, well you better
make sure their families are actually home. So you better
ban everything else as well. And you know, call centers,
call centers open twenty four hours, radio fassions if it's
so special, or close the radio sassions, close the TV,

(16:53):
close everything. So because white is you know, you know,
I think you guys are very special, but you're not.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
That special where you can put you can put radio
on TV on autopilot to be fair, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 7 (17:04):
But but you know, my point was very much it
was single out one particular industry and of course most
people also, or most industries. There's pretty four seven industries
these days. We have businesses also, things, data senses operating
all around the around the clock, all every day of

(17:25):
the year. It's not like the this season and sixties
where the country really to close for the weekend.

Speaker 9 (17:31):
Has moved on.

Speaker 7 (17:32):
And I'm you know, I enjoy I personally enjoy having
Christmas Day clothes and everything relaxed and so forth, but
most people don't. Most people want to shop, most people
get enjoyment out of it, and yeah, you know, time
to move on.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Really, yeah, And I can see your point, because really
what I'm saying is, in a way, it's collective restoration,
is really what I'm talking about. So, like I'm describing
as a beneficial social ritual, and it kind of sacrifices
a certain amount of freedom, which is normally the exact
opposite of the way I see things. But I do
nostalgic for the idea of just the streets being quiet,

(18:11):
people just taking one breath from and you know, there's
not a lot of holidays like that, but Christmas Day
that's a breath that we take and we go to
our families. Hopefully if we're lucky enough to have families
and it's just a quieter day in such a busy,
busy time. And my thing is that we're losing that

(18:33):
and once we lose it, we will never get it back.
And for me, I can see absolutely see your logic
and I can totally see Tyler's logic and see the
logic of this bill. But at the same time, it
makes me quite sad and I feel like we're losing
something when we do it.

Speaker 7 (18:48):
Yeah, I think Christmas is quite different. Christmas is pretty
It is quite different, I think because I do think
the vast majority of New Zealanders then and non Christian
and recent immigrants as well, they will have some sort
of ritual on Christmas Day. It might not be religious
or a family day, but you'll see a lot of
immigrant family to the beach and enjoying themselves in New
Zealand Easter. No, I don't think there's a lot of

(19:11):
great family rituals for Tappace, but I.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Mean just just the family ritual of everyone not being
at work.

Speaker 7 (19:20):
That's who everyone, excepts those who call centers centers.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I agree with you totally,
and a lot of people, yeah, yeah, and look, you're
probably right. The horses already bolted, probably, So what I'm
talking about is something quite It's just more of a
sort of philosophical argument because I think the times have change,
will are coming, and you're one hundred percent right. I
think I think that the days of those quiet easter

(19:48):
Fridays and good Fridays and Easter Sundays are a massively
restricted a mess of mostly gone now as well. Yeah,
so no, I get your point. Thanks to call Peter.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Cheers, Peter, thank you very much. Nine nine two is
the text number. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call Love to hear your thoughts on
this one. It is twenty seven past one.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic hosking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (20:14):
This is worse than expected. We're not going to be
getting to surplus anytime this decade. Only two things that
are going up as debt and interest repayments. Finance Minister
Nichola will Liss is with us.

Speaker 11 (20:22):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
The other thing that's going up is growth next year.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
So that's a positive zero point five percent.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah, and then it recovers beyond that.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
But after several years bouncing along the bottom and recessionary conditions,
that period of sustained growth will feel a lot better.

Speaker 10 (20:35):
I take your point, but we are still going backwards
book capita next year, aren't we.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
I mean so I'm literally going to be getting poorer.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Look, there's no sugarcoating it.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
What the Treasury presented was a tough set of books
that represent significant economic challenges for New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Now the government is going to do the right things.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Hey, the duplic on the Mic Hosking Breakfast Fact tomorrow
at six am with Bailey's Real Estate on News Talks,
de'd be.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Well, well, well, we've just heard back from Jason Walls.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Repeal of Good Friday and Easter Sunday as restricted trading days,
shop trading and sale of Alcohol Amendment Bill, What's happened.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Voted down did not pass. That surprises me. Everyone thought
it was I thought.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
A fate, a complete and that we were going to
lose these these last days of peace in this world
or a Peter did point out the call centers and
a lot of stuff still working, and there are police
and nurses and all those great New Zealanders are out there. Yeah,
but it didn't pass. That that'd be interesting to see
who went against it, because I would imagined it was
brought in by Act and I would imagine I would

(21:39):
have thought that that National would would have backed it.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, well, we are going to catch up very shortly
with Cameron Luxton, the act MP who drafted this bill.
It was pulled out of the tin, so we have
a chat to him about why it was voted down.
But we're going to carry this song because it's still
a good conversation.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
But it's still going to be in the mix because
it hasn't gone through. But this is an interesting text.
Cancel Easter holiday. It's hypocritical to claim the two days
when someone doesn't acknowledge or worship in the Christian faith tradition,
Christians will have the two days off because of their
sincerity to their faith. But isn't it hypocritical to just
take the holiday if its meaning doesn't mean anything to you,
and your employers have to pay for it. Yeah, but

(22:17):
I mean all holidays. I mean, you don't have to.
It's not hypocritical to take a holiday. And who goes
back to the origins of all these holidays? I mean
the holidays for reasons? There is holidays were invented for
a reason. There's names on them. Easter, I mean before
Easter was a Christian holiday, it was a pagan holiday. Yeah,

(22:37):
it's just a good time to have a holiday.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
But then we got labor Labor weekend for example, when
you go back to the origins of labor weekend, I
take your point on that absolutely.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Is it hypocritical for you, Tyler, who does hardly any
work to take Labor day off?

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I always take Labor day off. That's my day. We
fought half for it, but someone did eight. We got
Cameron Luxton to chat to very shortly. Headlines with Raylene coming.

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Speaker 3 (24:23):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. We are talking about the
repeal of Good Friday and Easter Sunday as restricted training
Day's bill. Now we heard from our political edits Jason Wolfs,
who's been in Parliament and the bill was voted down.
The bill sponsor was Act Party MP Cameron Luxton, and
he joins us. Now, Hi are you Cameron Kyle? How

(24:43):
are you very good? I've got Matt Heath here as well.
So I'm going to just say this, Cameron, it's to
me it's a bit of a surprise that was voted down.
I take it you were surprised as well.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Well.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
I mean it was drawn nine months ago and I've
been lobbying extremely hard and talking to every MP I could,
because I think it's a complicated ish bill for people
to get their head around sometimes. And also you know
there's a lot of different things being touched, so everyone's
got their own special interest so it's kind of hard
to get the gauge of where people were at. But

(25:16):
last time this bill came up got thirty seven votes
in favor. This time it's gotten forty nine, which means
you know, there was some work done in lobbying, and
I think proud of what I did trying to represent
New Zealanders who want to have a bit of choice
and freedom on how they spend their Easter with their
friends and family. And you know, it's done its dash.

(25:37):
It's a bit of a shame that other parties didn't
see the value of that, but we've done what we could.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Probably speaking who voted against.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
It, well, it's sort of hard to say just yet
until the House's officials do the proper tality. But I mean,
I will say on the side voting yes, I didn't
see members from parties other than Actor National out there,
so we'll remain to be seen who vote against. But
I think the fact that you know, there's been polling

(26:07):
done that shows a majority of New Zealanders, so from
every who support every party across the House, actually wanted
to see this change, and so the fact that party
leaders were whether officially or unofficially, whipping their members to
vote against it, it's just sort of shows I wish
people had taken it more seriously and actually represented the

(26:29):
communities which they represent, which is a majority wanting to
see a change.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
You've been doing the hard week behind the scenes, Cameron,
to try and drum up the votes. When you got
pushback from members, why what was the big reason for
their pushback.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
There was a lot of concern about workers' rights and
people spending time with their families. So I think it
is absolutely fair concern, a fair worry, and it was
something that might bill mitigated because currently, if you want,
if your employee would like their employee to work on
good on Easter Sunday, they must give that employee four

(27:04):
months notice and a four weeks notice. Sorry, I a
very big day going through this four weeks notice before
the date to get that. Employees are not objection to
both to working, so saying if I don't want to work,
I don't have to and there's no repercussions. My bill
is extending that to include Good Friday. So it's actually

(27:25):
increasing worker protection and workers' rights and increasing choice for
all New Zealanders. So trying to make that point clear
to people, as I am struggling to do it to
you right now that after talking about it all afternoon,
you get a bit tungu time. But look, I think
trying to get that across that is actually increasing choice
for all New Zealanders and our enjoyment of the Easter

(27:45):
weekend was the key part. There was other issues when
people talk about the religious aspect and how important the
Christian faiths in New Zealand, and I agree entirely this
builds nothing did nothing to impinge upon that. People wanted
to take the day off and spend it in religious observance.

(28:05):
They could, so they wanted to go and play round
a mini part or go the go chutes. They could
do that too, So it was basically the increasing choice
for all New Zealanders without taking rights away from anybody.
It feels like something that should have been supported across
the House, but as the cards fell, perhaps not.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
We're talking about Cameron Luxton, the sponsor of the repeal
of Good Friday and Easter Sundays, restricted trading days, shopping trading,
Sale of Alcohol Amendment bill. Will you be continuing the fight, Cameron?

Speaker 13 (28:35):
Will you?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Will you be attempting to bring this bill back? This
git pulled out of the hat, this bill.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
So as a private members bill, it's a bill which
I brought to the House and like I said, actually
it's been done before. Chris Bailey another ACTVMP tried it
in the last something's very similar in the last Parliament
and that was the one that was voted was only
thirty seven in favor, not a majority. This one forty nine.
Like I say, it's good to see an improvement, and

(29:03):
that me personally. I've got another Member's bill in the
Tin which I'm quite passionate about, and I think, considering
the the arguments which I've just heard in the House
opposed to it, I don't think that there was enough
engagement with the ideas perhaps putting that nicely from the
other parties. So I think maybe you know, my new

(29:24):
my Next Members Bill, if I'm so lucky to have
that drawn, might have a better chance in this Parliament.
But I'm sure someone's going to pick it up again
in the future because it's a perennial issue that annoys
New Zealanders every year. We hear about it every year.
I mean the warbirds over Wonka fiasco and Wanaka last
year was a prime example where you know the two

(29:46):
the two supermarkets just opened despite it being illegal to
actually serve the huge amount of tourists that had come
to the area. So it's not working for New Zealanders,
which means one day it will be fixed, but it
isn't today.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Well Cameron onman, I'm I've got mixed views on this.
Would any part of you fould a little bit bad
if we gone through I mean just a little part,
because I mean when we when we cancel these traditions,
you're not canceling them, but when we diminish them, they
never come back. So that's a whole lot of time
and history and ways people have celebrated things that then
change forever. So had there been a little bit of

(30:20):
you that will be that has nostalgia for those quieter.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
Times, well, it depends how you mean quieter times. I
mean my worry is that our country and I said
it in my speech in the House, which I worry
that people who have got a sort of a warm
view of the history of New Zealand, and that we
spend our time if we're not doing something horrible and commercial,
like going doing something wholesome, maybe going to the garden,

(30:43):
or go to the beach, maybe a lake shore somewhere.
But in reality, you know, things have changed. New Zealanders
live in subdivided properties, they live in townhouses without gardens perhaps,
and we've got screens basically everywhere. So I'm worried that
you know, people do actually choose to go and enjoy
themselves in other ways, and if they're not given those options,

(31:07):
you know a lot of people will probably see their
kids on screen more often, or even the adults, which
isn't actually a good outcome. So I do agree it's
an Easter is an important tradition. Well, Bill wouldn't have
changed a single public holiday, including the two Easter public holidays,
so they would have maintained their special stairfum sets. It
would have increased it because it would be the only
two days of the year where someone could refuse to

(31:29):
work without the consequence. Yeah, so I think you can say,
you know, traditions are important. Also, New Zealand is changing.
It's changed rapidly over the last few decades. We need
to actually adapt to that and that's what my bill
was trying to do.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well, Cameron, thank you very much for stepping out of
the house to have a chat with us, and hope
you have a merry Christmas.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Ye, merry Christmas to you gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Thank you very much. That is Cameron Luxton at Party MP,
who was a sponsor of this particular bill that has
been voted down. But we're going to carry on this
conversation because it is something that pops up time and
tom again. He said the votes were getting nearer, it's
closer to passing.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
It will definitely happen. And I totally see his point
of view, and I totally see your point of the
NA totally see the majority of the texts coming through
point of view. But just part of me thinks that
having a couple of days, a few days a year
when most things are closed and we know that most
members of a family are going to be available to
get together and things may be just a little bit

(32:25):
quieter for a day. And he said, you know, people
will probably just be on the screen. So maybe they will,
but maybe they won't. Who knows.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
It's a fair argument. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. It is sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred eighty
and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four, News
Talk said be.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
New News Talk said be. I was going to say
Happy New Years. News Talks d be so early for
that Happy New Years. We're definitely going to be saying
that in about one month's time.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas and a happy New Year
at all.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
That was beautiful, mate. It is thirteen to two and
we aren't talking about the repeal of Good Friday and
Easter Sunday as restricted trading days bill that has been
voted down. It is an interesting discussion.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
But it will come back. It will come It was
closer to going through this time than it was last time.
So the next time it comes out, it'll go through that.
It seems no doubt about that. Yeah, and moved from
thirty seven votes to forty nine votes.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
This time it's getting closer. So you have worked in
retail yourself, how would you feel, Yeah, how would you
feel about those particular days being taken out of the
legislation as in businesses can open and sell their wiirs.

Speaker 14 (33:37):
Well, it's interesting that voted was voted down and my
faith is restored somewhat to some MPs for seeing since
with it I have battled. We had a don't forget
that councils have by laws. So what the MP is
trying to bring in was nationwide one blanket law. You've

(33:58):
still got councils that can have bylaws, so your air
shows and all that sort of thing. And that's where
I was that I stood up for the workers that
I worked with because they couldn't or wouldn't put their
voice to it. I spoke up for collective workers.

Speaker 15 (34:18):
And in my.

Speaker 14 (34:19):
Area, we're a rural area and as a worker it
is only the retails, retailers and the hospital that is affected.
But we only get paid. Just remember that Friday is
the public holiday. We don't get public holiday is not Sunday.

(34:39):
He's talking about restricted trading, but it is not a
public holiday on the Sunday. So if we worked on
that Sunday, if we have happened to be open, that's
not something that we would get paid for. However, workers'
rights is a very important part of all this. That
when you work for a small company that you can negotiate,

(35:02):
but when you work with a big they place like
warehouse or some of those bigger enterprises, then you're you
are restricted to You might say, oh no you can't,
you you're not don't have to work, but there is
pressure that goes undue, pressure goes on, and I think

(35:22):
that those sort of things are concerning, but those by
laws cover those areas, and in our area, the rural area,
we actually have even though the council voted against all
the submissions were in favor of keeping closed, but they

(35:42):
overruled the submissions, the amount of submissions and rule that
businesses had the choice to open in our area. The
supermarkets chose to close, and we applauded them. They got
great community support for doing that, and you know, it
was very important. Now people talking about it's a religious

(36:06):
holiday and everything, but collectively, as a nation, we've decided
that these we have a rich history or social history.

Speaker 11 (36:13):
These are the.

Speaker 14 (36:14):
Times that we gather to have a holiday. And you
know we've had matariki. Remember that's been added in the holiday.
So you'll apply the same principles. These people jumping up
and down in businesses barking, you apply the same principles.
I don't subscribe to matadiki, but I respect the fact
that as a nation we've collectively decided that Mataiki is

(36:38):
an important time for family together, gather together. And I
just refute what that MP was saying. More than ever,
we need to connect as families and have time just
to back off, not everyone. You do not need to
shop twenty four to seven in a bricks and mortar store.
You you know, it is good to have. We have

(37:01):
so few of those days. Even and that day it's
only half a day. And I used to say, no,
I'm not working, and that afternoon and that's day to me,
the whole day, and I'll pay my respect. So respect.
So our MP in the Wine Apple here actually surveyed

(37:21):
the Mike Butterick. He spent a lot of time on
ads and things. He made it very clear he wanted
to hear from the people, the voting people, about how
to vote on this vote in the House today. So
I take my hat off to him for that. So yeah,
and we already had that right on Good Friday to close.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Thank you so much having that.

Speaker 14 (37:48):
I'm guessing it was the unions that pushed that.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, well, hey, thank you so much for your call, sir,
and thank you for your views on that. We'll keep
this going.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah, you said that very well. Oh one hundred and
eightyeen eighty is a number to call. Nineteen nine two
is the text number. It is eight to two.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Mattie Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Sneaking your calls on Oh eight hundredth Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Afternoons, news talks be news talks. Yeah, but we're going
to carry this on after two o'clock. We aren't talking
about Easter trading laws. The bill that went through Parliament
today was voted down, so that legislation will remain as
in stores. Most stores will be closed on Good Friday
and Easter Sunday.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
And we heard just from Sue in her views from
the point of view of workers. But we must point
out that this part of the bill and the explanation
for the bill. The impact of this is felt most
severely by small businesses, who generally have a smaller pool
of cash reserves and tighter allowances. Small businesses make up
ninety seven percent of all businesses, an employee around thirty

(38:50):
percent of the total New Zealand working population. And that's
why it's a tough issue, isn't.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
It certainly is.

Speaker 13 (38:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I mean like this text, so it says right now, Hi,
politicians don't get it. Stop impeding us and telling us
how to live. Let the free market dictate, dictate rather,
if it is not viable, the shops will not open.
There will always be staff available where plenty of employment
rules in place to ensure choice.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well, I'm a massive capitalist, but I can see how
you can hollow out a society completely if you don't
ever holiday at the same time as each other.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love to hear
your thoughts on this if you are a small business,
really keen to get your thoughts on this legislation remaining
in place. Nine two nine two is the text number.
It is four minutes to too great to have your company.
As always, you're listening to Matt and Tyler we will
catch you on the other side of news Who's.

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Speaker 16 (40:02):
Thank you.

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Speaker 3 (40:26):
Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. Seks past to
just a reminder, at the end of the this hour,
we will give away two copies of A Life Less Punishing,
Dirty Ways to Love the Life You've Got by Matt Heath,
which is a fantastic read. And I'm going to read
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I read last night. It was a chapter that I
was interested in because I can worry a bit too much.

(40:46):
But we're going to get that to that at the
end of the hour.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
A big fan of Matt Heath. He's a great man.
And look what I can't think of a bit of
stuffing stuffer stuffing stuffer, stuffing stocker? Is that stuffing stocker?

Speaker 9 (40:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:57):
No, stocking stuff It's confusing Christmas because there's stuffing, yeah,
and there's stock stockings and there's stocking stuffers. But you
can't stuff a chicken with a stocking. No, No, well
you could try, Yeah you could. Yeah, I wouldn't go
down so well, I'm going to be all right, wouldn't
it because you don't have to eat it? Yeah? I
mean as anyone tried that, I mean dows the stocking

(41:19):
and herbs and spices. I mean I've stuck a beer
can and a checken before that's work. Have you done that?

Speaker 13 (41:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Beautiful? Yeah, the beer can, checkn chuck that on the barbie. Yeah,
so like soa stocking and a bunch anyware we're getting
off top of Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Nine to nine to If you've done that, anyway, there's
almost Christmas, isn't it. We have been chatting about the
repeal of Good Friday and Easter Sunday.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Or has anyone put a check in in a like
opens this stocking and you've got a chicken in there?
Has anyone done that? Or a turkey? Anyway?

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Would that be a good prison for a kid? Anyway?
So we're talking about Easter Sunday trading. It has been
voted down in Parliament and we have been asking the
question was this a good play from our politicians? Have
got pretty close, well a lot closer than the last
time this came up in Parliament. Yeah, and as the
bill sponsor, Cameron Luxton, he's an act in piece said

(42:08):
come up again at some stage and likely that it
might get over the line at that stage. But as
it stands, next Easter, for most businesses, they won't be
able to open on the good Friday and Easter Sunday.
Is that a Are you happy about that? Oor eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Matt.
You made a fair argument last hour about the idea

(42:30):
of having some parts of the year where most of
us as New Zealanders, as families, as friends can get
together and rest and recoup, and there are studies around
that that is actually good for a population. Yeah, I totally.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I can see both sides of this argument. I can
see what Cameron Luxton was getting at with his with
his amendment bill, and I do understand what you say.
The impact of this is felt most severely by small
businesses that generally have a smaller pool of cash reserves
and title allowances, and small businesses make up ninet percent
of all businesses and employee thirty per cent of the
total New Zealand working population, and we do have a

(43:03):
productivity problem in New Zealand, and we already we do
have a lot of holidays and look, you totally feel
for people that think they could make some money on
Good Friday, but they have to close. But I just
think when these things go away, they go away for
good and it's easier to nurture. Is this is a

(43:24):
I was talking before about this englishilosopher that I follow
called Oliver Berkman wrote this fantastic book called four thousand
Weeks Time Management for Mortals, And I was telling this
before that he's written about a study out of Uppsala
University in Sweden and have found out that when Swedes
take time off, antidepressant prescriptions go down, but primarily when

(43:49):
they take holidays at the same time. So that is
the big key. So when and they have holidays that
are at the same time and when they take them,
it's very very good for the society. And this is
because it's easier to nurture relationships with family and friends
when they're all on leave, and it's and it's better.
It's easy to relax when you know that everyone's on leave,

(44:11):
so you know, and this isn't specifically what the bill's about.
But if you know that there's no one in the office,
so you can relax because the office isn't doing anything,
and that you're not missing out on things, and that
the inbox isn't piling up, and that you know that
the other members of your family will be available because
they're not not working. So I think that these holidays

(44:32):
and look, I agree with all these these things about
the burden that businesses take on for it, but I
just think we give up these holidays and they never
come back, and we give up these traditions and they
just never come back. And so if we want to
move on and that's the way will go in the future,
there's no doubt about it. It will tend that way.
But once it's gone, it's gone. So you know it's
worth having the debate.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
YEP, so compelling argument. George, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 17 (44:56):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (44:56):
Very good, bro, I thank you. Guys, got too much
brandy in your Christmas cac that you're living.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
On or not enough? We're just getting started, George.

Speaker 13 (45:03):
Chickens and stockings and stockings and chickens. I mean this
is getting interesting.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
The wheel's coming off and sot of it happens about
the last Wednesday of your working week, about.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
This time where it starts falling apart.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
You start putting a check in and a stocking. That's
always happens, much.

Speaker 13 (45:20):
As the guys that put their wheels deck on their cars.
There's only one wonder.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
What that's me.

Speaker 13 (45:28):
But anyway, why do we want to just let go
something that was so hard to get?

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah, well, I'll jumping in here, George and that, and again,
Matt's argument very compelling. And I hear what you're saying,
once it's gone, it's very unlikely to come back. And
my argument and I look, I'm changing my barometer here
when I hear these arguments coming on the other side,
because you're quite right, I have been privileged to have
a career where I get to enjoy those holidays with

(45:56):
friends and careers that they don't have to work those days.
But my argument still sits on if you're a business
and you can find your people to come and staff
your business during those days, then you should be able
to have that ability to do that without being fined.

Speaker 13 (46:11):
Your argument, though, is it, Well, yes, no, it's not.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
What's my argument?

Speaker 13 (46:17):
Your argument is very adamant that first of all, you
don't believe in Christianity, the special remembrance days must now
have workers and shops as your slave so that you
can have the convenience to be able to be served
as your beacon call. While he says, well, you say
you're so special and don't need to work, but those

(46:39):
are the shops I got to be there to serve you.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
You're very clever at putting words in my mouth, George.
I never never said I was anti Christian. I quite
like the idea, and look again, Christmas is something that
I celebrate. I don't go to church that often, and
I'm not overtly Christian. But mygment was your argument.

Speaker 13 (46:56):
Was going to Nelson and you weren't organized the day
before enough to be able to get what you needed
because you forgot and that messed up the day.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yeah, but I did also say I was a numpty
for doing that. But my stronger argument, George, is about
the ability for the business is if they can find staff,
and the staff want to work, and they can get
paid time and a half because it is a holiday
for most people, that they can do that without being fined.
Because as it stands at the moment. A lot of
those businesses do open up because they know they're going

(47:26):
to get the fine from the government, and it's all
just a bit of a farce, and you get the
oderens in christ Us in the restay the wider pictures.

Speaker 13 (47:33):
You want people to be able to go shopping, not
because you want people to be able to be in
the shops to work. There's no point in being there
and less people are going shopping. So the argument that's
been all the way through from all the couple of
last few years, people want to go shopping on Christmas Day,
on Easter Day and on Easter Friday, not to mention

(47:54):
all the others. Well, I've got a bit of a proposal, okay,
that statute holidays should be removed, that everyone is allocated
extra and you'll leave for those days. Our statue holidays
are now to be regarded as normal work days. That
if you want Christmas, Easter Friday and all the rest,

(48:16):
you apply for it office and you'll leave because it's
been allocated to you extra leave days. And that means
the banks, the office is, the radio stations, the shops,
the retailers, industries, everybody remains open because it's a normal
working day, because what people are saying is we don't
want it as a normal working day. We want a

(48:36):
special day only for some people. The rest you have
to work. So why not make it fair because I
think the proposal is unfair to all those people in
those retail business. Is that what actually appreciate having that
day off?

Speaker 9 (48:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
And I can totally see the logic and what you're
saying there, And that's the end game for this, isn't
it really? If that's totally logical what you're saying there.
But for me, and maybe I've got an old fashioned
attitude towards it, but I think it's I think it's
awesome that we have a Christmas holiday altogether and the
country with the Christmas holiday.

Speaker 13 (49:09):
Through one more, yes point, my last point after all,
your radio station reports fifty seven percent of New Zealanders
no longer have any Christian faith or faith at all,
therefore Christian holidays no longer apply to them, That fifty
seven percent of New Zealanders no longer need to have
funerals will be buried through churches, and that fifty percent

(49:30):
of New Zealanders are no longer entitled to go to
heaven and be will there be spaces for them for me?
After all, they no longer want to celebrate, nor remember
or put aside the one day that Jesus Christ died
and rose again on Easter Sunday and remember that act.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, and I don't think. I think it's really odd
when people say this is a this is an archaic thing.
Not everyone supports it, but why can't you have a
holiday that you don't necessarily support And it's not support,
but you could. You may not be Christian, but why
wouldn't you be happy that Christians have a day that

(50:10):
they celebrate and you can have you.

Speaker 13 (50:12):
Can have valbrating it. The question is if you go
to the States. My my wife works with a very
big overseas American company. They no longer have Merry Christmas,
they no longer celebrate Christmas. Within their correspondence, it's happy Holidays.

Speaker 9 (50:28):
That that move.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
That's that's a really weird that's that's a really weird thing.
We were going to talk about this as well, because
people are We were talking to someone at work and said,
am I supposed to say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays?
And I was, what does it matter? Because I don't
feel I don't feel like just the Yeah. But what
I'm saying is that say someone says to me happy Duali,

(50:52):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
You're not going to get offended by no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
So the idea that something celebration, Yeah, but the idea
that someone get offended because you said Merry Christmas to
them is insane. You can you can say Merry Christmas
to them and they don't celebrate it, and I cannot
understand who someone could take offense to that.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, but my.

Speaker 13 (51:10):
Argument against Christianity, that's why.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Yeah, But my argument was never anti religious. It wasn't
because this is a Christian holiday. I've got a lot
of respect for those who have faith, whatever that religion
may be. But my my argument was around the free
market argument. But I get your point, George, and I.

Speaker 13 (51:26):
Discussion of course, yeah, because you understand the concept. But
there is an element now pushing to remove Christianity out
of society. Even your date ad e BCE. It is
all designed to remove Christiananity out of the date system.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, and I don't.

Speaker 9 (51:44):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I don't get that, George. I don't see because because
everything goes to everything's based on something, is based on something.
So I find that a very strange thing as well. George. Hey,
but merry Christmas, George, and.

Speaker 13 (51:55):
Thank you so much for your call, and merry Christmas
you guys.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I think his point there, George, which is pretty pretty
you know, cuts to the chase. Why don't we just
allocate the stats? If this is how people are happy
with that, and they don't want people to have shared holidays,
then why don't they just allegate that, allocate the stats
holidays and you just have four weeks plus?

Speaker 9 (52:19):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
If we got twelve with.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Twelve days, twelve days, maybe thirteen with matariki ba.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you take them whenever.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 16 (52:26):
I was trying to feel.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
I feel like that would rip the heart out of society.
If we weren't all ending the year for Christmas right
now and we were going this is our break and
we go on our break and all that kind of
stuff and all the talk about that in the end
of the year. If that didn't happen and people were
doing at all different times, then I just think that
we would really lose something as a society.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, I'm going to ever think about how I feel
about that. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to goo. It is nineteen past two. Back in
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Speaker 1 (52:53):
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Speaker 3 (53:00):
They'd be good afternoon. It's twenty two past two, Pete,
how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 8 (53:06):
James and Tyler? Yeah, I agree, Pugh Tyler, We're going
to get moved on.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
I've got to stop your Peter. I've got to stop
your Peter. I'm not my name's My name's Matt, not James,
not that it matters, but just just so we start
off on a on the right foot.

Speaker 8 (53:23):
You go, Peter, they would want to be for the
New Years and Christmas and then as well, okay.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah you yeah, and bless blease.

Speaker 8 (53:29):
Yeah, so hope you ever have a good Christians and
all that. But far as I'm concerned is that we're
going to move on from you know, we're stuck in
our ways for so many years. And finally, if you
don't go to anym one board and born and bred
Catholic and people were if you want to go, do
you want to stay at home? Good on you, but
don't force it. On any everybody if they wanted. People

(53:49):
want to go to the shops, but just want to
keep their doors open, and they got works. They want
to come to work long as the employees are forcing
them to come to work. In the contract, I reckon
let the shops open. It's a long weekend. You get
a lot of people that are still in the country
at that time. There's still reasonably warm, so they want
to get it. Don't want to be stuck in your
hotel during your fingernails, do you? And when you travel

(54:10):
you want to do things, so woden, wouldn't you know?
You want to get this country going and spending money
and making money, and they seem to be want to
stop it. And I don't understand you.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Do you see my point? Pete though? And I absolutely
see what you're saying there, and there's a lot of
logic in it. But I just worry when we lose
these days. And there's something about knowing that most of
the country is going to be off that has a
good effect, in my opinion, across society because you know
that family members are more likely to be available on

(54:41):
that day. And there's just a thing, like a societal
thing we we're all going up to holiday like Christmas now,
we're all going it's the Christmas break, and we do
that as a country and a society, and there's something
about that, those communal activities that we can have a
shared experience across the country. And when we lose this
and Good Friday is just open, irrespective of Christianity and

(55:06):
irrespective of how you how you celebrate it, just having
these shared experiences as a country. Can you see that
what I'm saying there, that there's a benefit for that.
And when it goes, it's gone forever.

Speaker 8 (55:20):
No, it's not already gone forever, because it's your choice.
If you want to still carry on what we've been
doing for years, you can still have you a long
weekend off.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, but what I'm saying, but I'm saying is that
if we take it to the ultimate conclusion and it's
and it's as Peter was saying before, was it Peter George, Sorry,
George George was saying before that we just give people
their four weeks holidays and then their stats as well,
and you can take the stats wherever. So actually you
just assigned whatever it is six weeks holiday of a year.

(55:49):
Then then we wouldn't have Christmas together as a nation,
and we wouldn't have these breaks together. I feel like
that we would lose something as a nation if that
was the case, because we're not doing it. At the
same time, we're not having these shared experiences, and we
have less and less of these experiences as a as

(56:10):
a nation now as what we look at and what
we follow and and how we work and stuff is
so disparate. Can you can you kind of see what
I'm saying there, Pete.

Speaker 8 (56:20):
Yeah, yes, it's all I'll do. But I still reckon
that Christmas, we've got to have Christmas Day. Oh, I
totally agree that you have angs that day. Business can't
be open for the half a day.

Speaker 13 (56:30):
That's it.

Speaker 8 (56:30):
That's a matter of respect for the people that fought
for us, and we would be in a different situation
in the world now it wasn't for the feel that
fought for us. But I don't to repeat myself, but
I reckon, we've got to move on. You know, it's
your choice. There's a lot of people say we said
before traveling around the country there and as long as
the employers are pushing, the works have to be there

(56:53):
and everybody's happy for what they're doing, and it's I reckon,
it's it's your choice of the business or workers. If
they want to do what they want to do, I'll
let it happen.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Oh well, okay, thank you so much for your call, Pete,
and Merry Christmas to you. Yeah, Merry Christmas, Pete. O
eight one hundred and eighty two is the number to call.
It is twenty six past two.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
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Speaker 1 (57:19):
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Speaker 2 (57:24):
Hello, Yeah, so we're talking about the repeal of Good
Friday and Easter Sundays, restricted trading days, shopping trading and
sale of alcohol. I meant it bill didn't go through today,
but got more votes in Parliament than it did the
last time it went through, so next time it'll probably
go through. And look, there there's a lot of anger
about this issue. Here this texture text from Kate here.

(57:45):
Perhaps you wouldn't have so many road desks if you
didn't close down this already unproductive country.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Okay, yeah, me interesting analogy. Yeah, I don't know if
I can. Yeah, well, I mean it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I mean, I mean you could argue we have absolutely
no holidays, would that make us more productive or not?
I think I think people need some holidays to be productive.

Speaker 9 (58:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Absolutely, I love my holidays. Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I think people get burnout. And you know, I know
when I come back from a holiday, I get really productive.
So I don't know, Kate, if we have no holidays
at all, I think you might have a product productivity drop.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Off absolutely well. The amount to burn up we're getting now,
and the studies are out there that people in New
Zealand who said that they had face burnout in the
last couple of years. It's a real thing. So then
you take all their holidays away and say no more Christmas.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
And I'm not sure so whether that road road toll
thing would work either, because I think we just have
a lot of people on the road at the same time,
so there's a certain amount of road tolls. But if
we had the thing where we didn't have holidays at
the same time, I think you would have just as
many people out on the roads at different times, and
you'd have just as many accidents. And if anything, when
the road especially in the North Island, are crammed, you

(58:51):
might actually have less accidents because people are out. But
I don't know for sure, but I think if you
text Kate, appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Bob, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 6 (59:00):
Oh wonderful, Thank you very much listening to your conversation.
There not yourself or I don't know one of you
one or the other. You keep referring to when you
go to the office and you do this and you
do that. You know, there's only a pretty small percentage
of the New Zealand population go to the office every day.

(59:24):
Most of the post parents are the people who are working,
even if they're off parents. A lot of us have
to hold down two jobs a day, certainly, and a
lot of us have to have our life and working
as well.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Yeah, so perhaps it was me more, but I just
need to clarify. So you are in favor of these
the good Friday and the Easter Sunday remaining clothes for
most businesses. That's important for people to get a break.

Speaker 6 (59:53):
Negative on the office. Everybody should be allowed to do
what they like. Yeah, And I think the way to
achieve that is to get these damned politicians and these
religious thematics out of the system. People lived without being
dictated to and said, this is what we are going

(01:00:17):
to let you do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
So would you support Bob the idea that you have.
As George suggested before, he was just floating the idea
that you just have your four weeks holiday and added
to that, we just have we are currently stat holidays,
which would make it to about six weeks legislated holidays,

(01:00:38):
and people take them whenever they want. And Christmas isn't
any different from any other day.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
Exactly. If you want to get in your car and
drive all over New your zealand.

Speaker 13 (01:00:49):
Go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
What about it? What about what about Anzac Day?

Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
The same thing?

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
So excellent.

Speaker 6 (01:00:59):
Anzac Day is long gone and overdue. I appreciate what
happened during the war, my father was in it. But
it's time to move on and get this country back
on its feet. It's on its knees right now. Yeah, yeah, But.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Anzac Day. Isn't it just about how long ago it was.
It's that it could happen again at any time, And
so it's a way for us to be aware of
the terrible things that can happen in the world and
the terrible sacrifice that had to be made for the
good of our nation and the good of a lot
of other nations, and the idea that that couldn't happen again,

(01:01:40):
and we can just forget about the idea of war.
I couldn't agree with you on that one, Bob.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
Well, I'm not trying to say forget about war. I'm
maybe one years old. I've seen a few of them
and the people that have been involved in them. But
to keep on dragging out the agony Anzac Day, you
can't do this, Christmas Day, you can't do that Easter Day.
The politicians had got far, far too much control over

(01:02:07):
the way we look that line.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah, well again, I mean Christmas and East Ago a
long time before any of the current political system that
we've got going on here.

Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
That's correct. The other ones that are involved in that,
of all the religious somatic people, if you eliminate those
for them, the world would be a very healthy place.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Just on and look, I've been arguing your side of
the argument somewhat, Bob, But just on the idea of workers'
rights and we start to take more of these holidays away, surely.
I mean you said you're eighty one years old. You've
been around to see some pretty significant changes in labor laws,
some for good, some for bad for workers. Is that
a fair argument that there are elements of working life

(01:02:53):
that need to be protected for the average joe.

Speaker 6 (01:02:57):
Very definitely. But let people negotiate their terms of employment. Yeah,
talk to the boy who's paying your salary. This is
what I'd like to do. Map that out in front
of you. I know everybody can't do that, and you
can have the legislation that does allow that. It will
allow people to make their own decision.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Well, hey, thank you so much for you call. Bob, yep,
thank you, and I've got a text here on nine
two nine two. That's I think in the same sort
of ballparkers Bob and George, the guy George before stole
my call regarding getting rid of stat days, I'm totally agreement.
Just give everyone forty two days. We live in a
secular society these days. The problem is stats irrelevant. Let

(01:03:43):
Muslim celebrate Ramada, Indians, Duali, Christians, Christmas and Easter Jews
haneker mari matariki. Let people work forty two four week,
four day weeks through the year, and traffic is terrible.
And four thousand texts just came through in that text.
Jump to the Battle of the page but yeah, so
you get the point of that person's trying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
To say, yeah, and I'm going to be hoisted by
my own petad here. But the idea of just having
twelve random days put on your annual leave is that
then you've got to negotiate with your boss to take
that annual leaf. The good thing about something like Good
Friday and Easter Sunday is that you don't ordinarily have
to negotiate that leave.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I can't believe people want to throw out the Christmas holidays, Like,
isn't it great that most of us are coming to
the end of the year and we're all going to
have this communal thing where we go out and we
know our family is going to be available, and we
may go camping we have. I can't believe that people
would want to get rid of the entire shared experience
of Christmas holiday. Although I'm getting a lot of I'm

(01:04:43):
getting a lot of kickback from people saying what happened
to you, Matt? You used to be an anarchist. Now
you sound like a Hallmark Christmas card with your sentimentality.
And yet look, I'm a total sellout, and my twenty
five year old south would would think I think there was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Something wrong with me, but that's Christmas. It's made me
soft and I love Christmas. We're going to pick this
back up after the headlines. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It's twenty four
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Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Thank you very much, ray Lean. We are talking about
the easter trading laws that's been voted down in Parliament,
but it's getting closer. Morris, how are you?

Speaker 15 (01:06:31):
Yeah, I'm good, yourself very good?

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
You reckon leave it as it is. You're pretty happy
I got voted down.

Speaker 15 (01:06:38):
Well, I didn't realize you got vosed down until I
heard it on your bulls and there. But so, and
I've been listening to you, you know, during the day.
So I've heard people say that we need to get
out of the recession that we're in and we need
to have more money, phones through and everything else. So

(01:07:00):
I say to that, how can three days easter wonder
Christmas change our economic climate? But I can't change it
because that sort of thing doesn't happen. So who's driving
the want for working over Easter and possibly changing Christmas.

(01:07:25):
Who's driving that? Well, we know who's driving it. It's
the people that want to make more money and force
their star to work over that holiday time. And so
you know, I just I can't understand why people would
want that. And they talk about the religious side of it. Well,

(01:07:46):
I'm a Christian and I absolutely value those holidays because
of my belief. However, I'm not going to say to
you know, the guy next door, you shouldn't be working,
you should be at church at Easter, or you should
be at church at Christmas. Because everybody in this country
has a free choice. We can and that's the value

(01:08:08):
of this country as we have a free choice and
we respect each other's point of view.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Sorry you carry on, Maris, No, no, I was going
to say that.

Speaker 15 (01:08:21):
You know, we would never get rid of Anzac and
I definitely wouldn't want that because my dad was in
Japan towards the end of the war. My son in
law has been in the army as a major and
absolutely awesome, awesome job you know recently, So you know,

(01:08:42):
I've got I've got you know, my my relatives like
many people in New Zealand who have actually done the
hard yards, been out in the trenches, so to speak,
and and so you know it would never get rid
of that. Of course we order.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Yeah, nicely said Morris, really nice TV on you have
a merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Yeah, there was an extreme opinion.

Speaker 15 (01:09:05):
Thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Hey, thank you, Maris. Merry Christmas do you? Yeah, that
was an extreme opinion from Bob. And I'm just trying
to look for there was a text here that. Boy,
there's so many texts coming in it's hard to keep
up with them. But just pointing out, you know, veterans,
you know, from from a lot of wars more recent
than you know, World War two, and Enzact Day celebrates that,

(01:09:26):
and I mean the idea of that we should forget
as opposed to the less we forget lest we forget hard. Yeah,
and look, we never know where the world's going to go,
so I think it's important. I mean, there'd be so
few people that agree with Bob there, but bless them.
But Anzact Day is something that we need to keep celebrating.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Absolutely, I think we're as one on that one. It
is seventeen to three back very shortly, oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
It's done.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
You take on talk bag matt Ethan Tayler Adams afternoons,
have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
News Talks and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
B it's me every time, Good Afternoon, fourteen to three.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
So many texts coming through on nine two ninety two
and calls on eight tun eighty ten eighty about this
repeal of Good Friday in Easter Sunday as a restricted
trading day's shop trading and sale of alcohol amendment bill
that didn't go through today, but it will go through
at some point. Guys. There was a Bob came through
with an anti ANZAC Day comments and look he was
eighty one and he'd experienced a lot to do with Wars.

(01:10:26):
I guess if you're eighty one, you were being born
during World War two. Just doing the mess on it. Guys,
that guy says no to ANZACs Day is so wrong.
I served an East Team or in Afghanistan and lost
mates and both those tours, we need to respect ANZAC
Days to reflect and commemorate those that have gone before us.
Cheers day. So it's an interesting one because we're talking
about Easter, but it does lead on onto you know

(01:10:50):
what'll be next Christmas. If you say that there's no
everything's free for all on Good Friday, then why not Christmas?
So there and look this person here on nineteen nine two.
Get rid of all public holidays and weekends. Everyone just
works four on four off. All businesses have to always
remain open and if you want to particular day off,
you must swap with someone else who does that role.

(01:11:12):
Productivity and asset utilization of assets will be far better.
Those who want to do business will still be able
to because it's a nightmare over this period because people
are away. Andrew so he's just he's just all go.
Anti holidays, no stats, no weekends, just negotiates, just work, work, work,

(01:11:34):
And the anti Christmas rhetoric that's coming through is making
me unhappy. Christmas is way overrated. It's out of control.
Time to cut it back.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Do you can't Christmas back? Just just slice it down
a half a day and get back to work. People
you don't open your presents, have your turkey, then get
back to work. Got back on Christmas. Bambo Branden, how
are you mate?

Speaker 18 (01:11:58):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (01:11:58):
How's it going?

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Good? What's your thoughts on Easter trading, on holidays in general.

Speaker 11 (01:12:04):
I see three quick points. The first one is you
just mentioned poor and poor off. How does it work
if you're in a business and you employ one person
to run that business for you four days.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
That's a very good point.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Yeah, yeah, you found the facehooks already.

Speaker 11 (01:12:21):
The second point is if you give everyone holidays instead
of stat days, what you'll find is the person talking
about the people in malls and the services like retail
and that suffering. They will be forced to work because
they will be popular days, and the bosses just won't

(01:12:42):
give the time off manual lafe.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:12:45):
And the third point is going to make is I
honestly think if you have a seat day, I think
productively almost goes up because if you look at say
something like a mall or a supermarket that ever before
a seat day, crazy like people panic boy and almost
good bye too much.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
I mean, that's that's that's a it's a hugely good
point there, Braiden, that I hadn't thought of. So people
are saying that getting rid of all these stat holidays
and not celebrating Christmas at the same time and stuff
would be great for business. But Christmas clearly is very
very good for retail I mean famously.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
So yeah, no, for your point, I think yet, Carol.

Speaker 11 (01:13:29):
I just think that definitely the giving the days getting
rid of statdays is cancer intuitive and doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Yeah, all right, thank you so much. We call a
Merry Christmas to you, Braiden. This text through on nine
two nine two says seems like everyone who's phoned and
who is in favor of STAT holidays being removed elderly
on twenty eight the STAT days are great. It's awesome
knowing everyone's off at the same time. Yeah, And that's
kind of my point about it, really, as if that
we don't have these days where we know that most

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people are going to be off, we lose something as
a society. And I've said it over and over again
because we're not having these shared experiences. And I can't
believe people coming Christmas, and I knew this woul happened.
They come for Easter and now they're coming for Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
You look at it, and and Bob wants hands day
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
And it doesn't have to be about religion, I mean Christmas.
I mean so many people get joy out of Christmas.
And it's all present based and family getting together based
and delicious food based and tree based and all the
other things around Christmas. And if people get together for
Christmas in a Christian way, then that is brilliant as well.
But the idea that we have this break at the

(01:14:36):
end of the year and everyone's gearing up for it
right now, I think is a beautiful thing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
And look I've come across. I like the idea that
we have the four day weekend where we can all
get together with family and friends. And yes, this all
started because I got a bit grummy because I couldn't
get the groceries and the booze before we get to
the molbra sounds and that was my fault. So look
my barometer's shifted on this one and it's been voted down.
So Hellelujah, Happy Christmas, Happy Easter. Yeah, happy, you got done.

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Funnily enough, I would, And apparently it is an all
good bookstores right now, and it is the perfect Christmas gurth.
But generally, I look, as I said to you off here,
I can tend to be a bit of a warrior
as someone who worries too much, rather than I've noticed,
and this year I think a lot of us could
be guilty of worrying too much. You know, I'm thinking
about interest rates and the economy and Lithian batteries for

(01:16:17):
goodness sake, I may no one should be worrying too
much about Lithian batteries. But I read this chapter that
you had about being worried, and it put a lot
of things into perspective for me, mate. But I mean, look,
the thing that it put into perspective for me is
you can't change what's happened in the past, and you
cannot live in the past. You cannot change what is
going to happen in the future. And sometimes what you're

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worrying about in the future may not come to pass,
and if it does come to pass, it might be
a blessing in disguise.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Well, you can't change what happens in the future, and
you can learn from the past, but they're not realms
that you live in, Yes, And the only realm you
live in right now is the present.

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Absolutely. So here's a little fable that you wrote about
that I absolutely loved. It's a Chinese fable about a farmer.
So doctor Christopher A. Casaw tells a story on the
website World on Fire. You mentioned in the book of
farmer and his son labor for a year with their
last horse. One day the son leaves the gate open
and the horse bolts. A neighbor tells them, you won't
be able to maintain your farm. This is terrible. The

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farmer replies, maybe yes, maybe no. The next morning, the
horse returns with six horses, and the neighbor tells the
farmer what happiness. You can maintain the farm with two
and sell the rest and make a fortune. That is great,
And the farmer replies, maybe yes, maybe no. The next day,
the farmer's son gets thrown from one of the new
horses and breaks his leg. The neighbor says, what a

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great sadness this is. The farmer replies, maybe yes, maybe no.
The next day, the army arrives to conscript all the
young men in the area, but they don't take the
farmer's son because of his injury. The neighbor says, this
is great news, what a blessing. The farmer replies, maybe yes,
maybe no. Even if the thing you worry about does
come true, you do not know whether ultimately it will

(01:17:53):
turn out to be a good thing or a bad thing.
You might be worrying about the very thing that makes
life better. Ah, yeah, it is lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
It's a great fable that one certainly is. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
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Yep, we've got two copies to give away.

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Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Absolutely Right after three o'clock, another topic on the table
for you. We want to have a chat about shorts
in the workplace. Yay or nay? Your big survey in
Australia about whether it's professional or not.

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This is going to be good. Nothing but the big
issues on Matt and Tyler Afternoons on ZB exactly. Well,
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Good afternoon, listens.

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Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty
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Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Welcome back into the show. Hope having a great afternoon.
We certainly asked seven past three.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Congratulations to Kate, Jacinta and Mark who all won copies
of a Lifeless Punishing thirteen Ways to Love the Life. Yeah,
got a great stocking stuff for all summer read if
you ask me. But I would say that because I
wrote it available in all.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Good bookstores right now, you lucky buggers, and we'll be
giving more copies away tomorrow and Friday as well. Yeah
that is right, yep. And just a reminder, we've got
the lovely and very very good writer Jude Dobson coming
up in about twenty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Yeah, that's right. Speaking of book giveaways, we're going to
give you a copy of her book, The Last Secret
Agent My life is a spy behind Nazi lions with
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and it wasn't Jude Dobson that was the spy behind
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Incredible story though, fantastic story in there.

Speaker 17 (01:20:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
So let's have a chat about shorts in the workplace.
There's a survey that it's just come out of Australia.
Workplans to tire expectations are becoming more formal, with four
forty two percent of Australian workers now viewing shorts as
unprofessional this is a raw He's from thirty two percent
last year, so a rise of ten percent. The shift,
the survey takers believe reflects a renewed focus on polished presentation,

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particularly in client facing roles. However, general differences generational differences
play a significant role, so baby boomers are the most critical,
with one and two fifty percent deming shorts unprofessional. And contrast,
only thirty one percent of gen Z's and millennial workers
share this view.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
I assume it's pretty similar over here in New Zealand.
I mean, obviously if you work on site, then you're
going to have to wear shorts, aren't you. You're a
landscaper or a builder. Yeah, your dad's an electrician. Does
he wear shorts to work?

Speaker 19 (01:20:57):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
He kind of mixed it up. No, Actually he wasn't
much of a shorts man.

Speaker 6 (01:21:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Alexisians don't wear shorts as much as the other trades do.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
They they like to look professional, but also they're up
in the roof and those pink bats and you don't
want to get that pink pant on on your.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
I mean there is zero kid around shorts on sites,
like you know, if you're wearing a really tight small
pair of shorts and someone else has to follow up
the ladder, then that can be an issue.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
A little bit awkward. Yeah, an HR situation sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Yea one hundred percent. But in the office that is
interesting because I wore shorts to work the other day
here at News Talk ZEDB. I'm just new here. I'm
the new guy on the block. And Heather was disgusted
by my shorts and my shorts and birkenstocks. Yeah, she said,
what is this? You're working at z B now here
the deep see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Yeah, And it was shocking behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
And I haven't since so, I mean taught lessons actually
because Ctic told me, Kerry told me to clean up
the discs. I've been wiping that down and the Prime
Minister gave me sweat wipe. So I've been completing my
station and they've took me out of where and he
just took me out of wearing shorts. But I guess
it's an interesting thing, isn't it. Hundred Hurdie, I wit hundred,
Oh my god, it is Chris making new hundred eighty

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ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
See you get them talking about shorts and socks, and
it was right, that was in my head.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Because down at Hodaki, the radio station I've come from.
Everyone wears shorts in summer. Yeah. In fact, the first day,
you know, it's who's the first one into shorts get
celebrated because it's it's the it's the heralding of some
of the first person to turn up in a tiny
pair of shorts. But up here it doesn't feel the same.
You're walking around the news room and shorts doesn't doesn't

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quite feel right. And I guess that's the thing to
compared to the workplace, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
There's not many people that can pull her off up here.
I've got to say. I mean, you were one of them.
I mean, and good on you. You stormed in here
and your birking socks and your shorts and started throwing
crumbs around and said I'm here, baby, and I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Yeah, And actually, god damn it, I'm gonna wear shorts
tomorrow because no one tells me what to wear. But
having said that, if I went to see my lawyer
and he came rocking up in a pair of stubbies
and some flip flops, I'm going to go I don't know. Yeah,
I don't know, mate, I don't anymore. I don't know
if I trust you, you know, so I guess it's
the profession, right And yeah, I mean in an office. Yeah,

(01:23:10):
that's an interesting one. I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Part of it for me is confidence. Is one guy
up here on the second floor, Liam, and he works
for the technology team, and he's very good at what
he does, and he's a lovely guy. But he's always
went warn shorts. He wore shorts when he was down
in christ Church and it was zero degrees. He still
wears shorts up here, and I look at him and think, mate,
scrub up a little bit. But because he's good at
his job, I lean away with that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Well, the walk shorts are interesting. Someone here says, bring
back walk shorts, says from Neil. And my uncle wrote
a great pot called The Accidental Teacher Tim Hayth, and
in it he talks about when he got a job
teaching in thes and he was he was a school
teacher from Auckland and he went down there. He's getting
paid half a sheep a week to eat salary, yep,

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just working in a farm, a schoolhouse on the property.
And he said when he turned up in his walk
shorts with his socks pulled up to this quite sort
of rough rural area. He lost a lot of ability.

Speaker 13 (01:24:08):
I bet you that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
So, even in areas where it's not necessarily so formal,
you've got to be careful with what type of shorts
you wear.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Yeah, so shorts in the workplace? Is it unprofessional? I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Forty two percent of Australian
workers do think it is unprofessional? Love to hear from
you on this Nine to nine two is the text number.
It is twelve past three. Back very shortly. You're listening
to Matton Tyler. Good afternoon. It is quarter past three
and we're talking about shorts in the workplace? Is it unprofessional?

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Forty two percent of Australian workers think it is. Love
to hear from you on I eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty. Some great texts coming through on nine two
nine two. Yes, guys, dress shorts are absolutely fine with
the smart shirt, studies not so much.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Stubbies. Only builders can get away with studies. A stubby
still available.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
I've got a few.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
I call them Barnesy's after Wyne Barnes. The referee you
see was very short shorts.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Yeah, they were pretty short studies went, and studies are
pretty short at the best of times. Ryan, how are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 18 (01:25:08):
Not too bad?

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
Layers yourself good?

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
So do you reckon? There's some professions where you can
get away with wearing shorts.

Speaker 18 (01:25:15):
Oh, definitely the trades. But as I text, and I'd
be stoked if my lawyer came in in a pair
of shorts or stubbies, because you know, he's confident he's
winning and he's going straight back to fishing or drinking beers.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Yeah, boy, Yeah, it's funny that we want to kind
of be fronted and tripped. So it's you know when
real estate agents have to drive a flash car and
lawyers have to wear a nice suit, and that makes
us trust them more. But you're right, a lawyer that
came in in a singi and some stubbies and some
flip flops. Maybe there's something about that guy. Maybe he's
just confident that's going to let us let his or

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her work speak.

Speaker 18 (01:25:50):
For his exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Yeah, no, I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
Actually, he said, I've got this sort of watch your resue, right,
you need some help with some employment matters, don't worry
about it. I've got the sword out. And he's got
his old beat shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
On and he's gutting a fish on his desk while
he's talking to you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Yeah, I can see some logic in that, right, Love
it Ryan, Thank you very much mate. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. So more
on the survey that they mentioned dress code in general
across workplaces in Australia that if you want to wear
shorts in the workplace, then you have to have that
chat with your boss. It's a weird chat to have

(01:26:25):
with your boss to say, hey, it's a bit warm today,
I'm just thinking about rock and the Stubby's. Are you
okay with that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Yeah? It's interesting though, because yeah, when you get into
that level, because okay, say, I mean this is kind
of controversial, but would you then be asking so for
a man, right, shorts are like a short pair of pants, right,
They're like short trousers. So do you then say to
female employees that skirts too short?

Speaker 13 (01:26:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Good point, that's minefield. It's a mind filone field.

Speaker 5 (01:26:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Or if I have to wear pants that go the
way down to govern my ankles, do women have to
wear like Gloria Vale type dresses that go all the
way down to.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
The don't show your ankles and the place. Just I mean,
you've never seen me wear shorts, right, I never wear shorts.
I sometimes do if I'm outside in public, then I'll
wear shorts, even though nobody wants to see my life.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
But I've heard that you've got horrific chicken legs, and
so that your yours are covered up for the not
because you know anything to do with respect around the workplace,
just because you've got humiliating legs.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
They are pretty skinny at this point yet and super
pale as well. But when I first started here at
News TALKSZB, I started wearing shirts right. I on the
first week, I came in with the nicest shirts that
I could buy, and within the space of about a week,
I realized that the dress code was a lot lower
than I anticipated and started wearing T shirts. But to
this day, I still feel a bit weird being up
here in the studio wearing a T shirt. But because

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my costking did it, I thought, oh, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Yeah, But he who comes in wearing a four thousand
dollars sort of sway jacket, doesn't he yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
So as the ante with the jacket, which is a
nice touch felt.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
What kind of jacket would he wear? His beautiful jackets? Yeah,
he's got fantastic jacket I saw did you read this
one out before I would have heard it? I saw
a colorichdal surgeon today. I would have been excited if
he had been wearing shorts.

Speaker 5 (01:28:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
Do you want to surge him wearing shorts? And how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 20 (01:28:24):
I'm fine, thank you. I have to be quick because
my grocery is going to arrive a long time ago.
I'm not going to tell you when because you'll find
out how old I am. So my late husband went
to university as a lecturer and he's just qualified, qualified,
and everybody wore shorts and socks, and that's what they

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did in those days. And then we went back for
a year to England when he went to work at
Cambridge and he got on his bike from where we
were shorts and socks and all the way there the builders.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
So was that the class? That was that the classic
walk shorts with socks pulled right up to your knees situation?

Speaker 12 (01:29:08):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:29:09):
Yes, I don't think they did it in Anglan.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
You you were you living in Totonga then, as.

Speaker 20 (01:29:19):
Well and no, no, we went to massive university and
I've forgotten was down down south.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Yeah, yeah, because I guess in England and Cambridge and stuff,
maybe maybe there wasn't as much need to wear the
walk shorts in terms.

Speaker 20 (01:29:36):
Of decent weather.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
There was a big part of the teaching profession. There
was a big part of teaching and lecturing obviously wearing
the walk shorts. Because, as I was saying telling the
story about my my uncle Tim wearing wearing walk shorts
as a teacher, it used to be it used to
be a real thing, but it wasn't. It wasn't an
informal thing. It was even arguably more formal than the
pants because you had the shorts and they were a

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special kind of they were like a suit pant that
it was shorter and they were kind of longish went there.
They went far above your knees and then your sock. Yeah,
good shirt, So really only your knees were showing, weren't they.
Your knees were sticking out just below your shorts and
just above your socks.

Speaker 20 (01:30:22):
I think I was best in short night.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Thank you so much for you for your call in.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
Yeah, and you're great. I had one hundred eighty ten eighty.
There was just something about those walking short stuff. You
saw someone with that, with the pulled up socks, you thought, well,
I thought instantly that person is good at mathematics.

Speaker 13 (01:30:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Yeah, there was definitely a math teacher thing, wasn't it. Yeah?
But were they taught that I'm interested to know at
teachers College, because at some point teachers stopped wearing them,
And if there's a teacher out there that still does
the walk shorts thing or lecturer, but was that something
that was so specific to teachers? And that was that
something that you were taught at school, like you know

(01:30:59):
it teachers College, and these are the shorts that you
were wear in summer.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
That is the dress code you need to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
It was very specific, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
I had a hundred. If you're a maths teacher out
there right now, or a teacher in general, give us
a buzz. Nineteen nine two is a text number.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
And it looks good because you also wore it with
a short shirt and the tie, didn't you. So you'd
have your your shirt and tie shirt tucked into your
walk shorts and as I say, and then you'd have
leather shoes and your socks pulled.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Right up so at the top party down the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Yeah, were hardly less formal than just wearing a full suit. Really.

Speaker 6 (01:31:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
The ensemble work though, didn't that well?

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Will that come back?

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
Hopefully it does? Can I bring that back? Please do?

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
Please?

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Don't? I want to see you wearing that tomorrow. Oh
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's twenty two, Pass.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Three Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
EDB, News Talks, ed B. So it's transitioned to walk shorts.
But I'm loving this.

Speaker 16 (01:32:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
So there was a study saying that less people think
it's okay to wear shorts to work in Australia. We
assume we feel the same way in New Zealand. My
dad was a farmer and when he got older he
wore the walk shorts with the long socks to town.
One of those at the times. Yeah, I like that
getting formal, so on the would have been wearing what
he wore on the farm and get intristed in town.

(01:32:20):
My teacher used to wear walk shorts with knee socks
and Roman sandals.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Oh yes, that was the final touch.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Yeah yeah, Roman sandals under your socks.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
Beautiful look. Yeah, bring that back.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Well, I mean I used to think it would never
come back wearing socks and sandals, but you see it
a lot with in fact, birken socks sell particular Birkenstock's
socks to wear with your Burkenstock sandals.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Yeah, it is coming back for the young ones. Kelly,
how are you?

Speaker 18 (01:32:45):
I'm good?

Speaker 21 (01:32:46):
Thanks, Tyler. Hey, Matt, you forgot about the knitted sweet
a vest.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Oh that's a beautiful lot, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (01:32:56):
That is I had a yeah, Oh it's an awesome
look I had. And it's not just mass teachers, it's
also science teachers.

Speaker 21 (01:33:04):
I had a teacher when I high school that would
wear the brown leather shoe, the long socks, the walk shorts,
the tie, the short sleeve shirt in the summer, and
the knitted sweet a vest.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
That his mum made him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Oh that's awesome. Was it Tartan?

Speaker 21 (01:33:25):
No, it wasn't. It was brown, and I know it
was had knitted by his mum because many years later
my boys went to the same high school as me
and he was still there. His wife worked in the
office and I thought one day I would ask her
about those knitted sweats and I think did he retire them?

Speaker 18 (01:33:46):
And she went no, he still got them and his
mum made them for him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Oh so good to believe memories.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
That is beautiful. That's a lovely story.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
That'd be where some money now, Jelly, you know they
are hot. They are hot items for the younger generation.

Speaker 6 (01:34:01):
Oh.

Speaker 21 (01:34:01):
I know she got two Christmas ones myself, but.

Speaker 22 (01:34:04):
I just want the normal one cut.

Speaker 21 (01:34:06):
I think my boys would wear them.

Speaker 15 (01:34:08):
Oh I thanks, they out of me.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Yeah, love it, Kellie, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yeah, and I mean you still see the net A
vest on, the on the cricket field on. You know
you'll get our touring side coming to New Zealand. We'll
put them playing down in Dunedin in November and the
nitweek gets comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
That is classy though, wasn't it. That's their number ones, Yeah,
oh oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
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Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
Thank you, Raylean.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
It is halp Us three we're talking shorts in the
workplace because the study out of Australia has found that
people are souring against them and are looking to be
more formal. There's great text here. Hi, Matt and Tyler.
My first job after leaving school was working for the
Amp Insurance at the corner of Queen and Victoria Street,
Auckland at nineteen seventy one. In the summer we wore
dress shorts with shirt and tie. Paisley shirts and tires

(01:36:09):
were in the fashion then we were really cool man
you Yeah, I love.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
That, Tyrone, how are you?

Speaker 18 (01:36:16):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:36:16):
Well, thanks?

Speaker 9 (01:36:17):
Did you guys? Yeah? Good?

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
So do you want to talk about the walking shorts
or shorts in general?

Speaker 9 (01:36:22):
I think just shorts in general. I must have that.
I didn't think it was unprofessional until I've thought back
to all the job interviews I've had, and I would
never rock up in short Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
It's a good litmus tist. Actually, if you don't rock
up to the interview in shorts, they may be not
quite right for that work place.

Speaker 7 (01:36:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:36:42):
And then the other thing is when I stopped in
my business, I thought I better wear long pants as well,
just because it sounds like they looked a bit more professional,
but being a landscaper that that got all real quick
change somewhat.

Speaker 13 (01:36:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
I think I think if I was hiring a landscaper
and they turned up in long pants, I think I
would I would think there's something wrong with them. I
think it's in that profession you want them in shorts.

Speaker 9 (01:37:10):
I suppose it's more the extra pockets and things. Yeah, there,
But I also think having shorts in like an office
environment might be but distracting. I mean, not everyone has
that pretty legs, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean if my legs are out, then
everyone's going to be looking at the legs. I've got
beautiful legs, great, great calves. Problem, Yeah, great calves, great thighs.
It's interesting though, with different people, because I've got one
of the best workers I've ever met in my life,
as a guy called Joe Jury is one of my
best mates, and he works for the Alternative Commentary Collective.
But he's an ice hockey player, and as a result,

(01:37:44):
his thighs are so powerful and his backside is so
powerful from playing ice hockey that he can't fit into pants.
They just don't work, like a medical condition. So he's
just got such powerful legs. In buttocks that he has
to wear shorts all year out, So I just don't
fit in there, and you've got to give leeway to
someone like that.

Speaker 8 (01:38:03):
Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 9 (01:38:06):
I guess The other thing is we knew when you're
the face of a business or you're a point of
contact or something, and it's a new client, they don't
really know you or what you do or how you
do it. So I guess the presentation is a quite
a large thing because you're supposed to make this person
feel like they can trust you, And being in shorts

(01:38:28):
doesn't necessarily mean you're not trusting.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
With you, but yeah, you know, it kind of says
that you haven't made the effort to prove that you're trustworthy,
if you know what I mean. I mean, And it's
we all know it's a scam, like someone commits as
a horrific crime, and then you see them in court
and they're wearing a nice suit and they've got their haircut,
and then you see the pictures of them earlier on

(01:38:51):
and you're like, well, this is just a scam. You've
dressed them person nicely up to trick us. Yeah, and
that's kind of what we do by dressing nicely is
we're saying to people that we're we're trying to present
that we're amazing. You could be a terrible person, you
could be useless at your job. You could just be
good at dressing. You know, you could just be good
to just be fashionable. Oh, here we go looking out there.
We've got some short we've got some shorts in the

(01:39:11):
office out there in studio B the man himself and
that's Liam.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
He you know, goes back to competence. That Liam is competent.
He's a good tiki, he's a good man. He's coming
in here and he's got the shorts on. And Liam,
you never wear pants. I don't even think you own pants,
do you?

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Yeah? No, I honestly I do own a pair of pants,
but I don't wear them often, only in formal occasions.
But those legs are great to be a crime crime
if you didn't share those stand up.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
So you've got a nice tean going on, and you
know they're pretty hairy, but it's beautiful, mate, but good
pins on them. Who looks at people's legs.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Well, well I've been I've been looking at your legs
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Great legs, everyone does, Liam, Yeah, thank you very much mate. Hey,
then nice shorts. By the way, where are they from?

Speaker 11 (01:39:56):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Yeahd tight right, that is where we'll leave it because
we've got Joe Dobson standing by. But that was a
great chat, Thank you very much. There is twenty five
minutes before.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
you for twenty twenty four used talks there'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
It is twenty three to four continuing our great New Zealanders,
a Christmas series. Everyone knows Jude Dobson. She became a
familiar television presence in the nineteen nineties after Quiz Show
Sale of the Century. She went on to holme almost
one thousand episodes of five point thirty with Jude Wow
and its follow up. For the past six years she's
been researching, writing, producing and directing World War One and
World War II content, and this year she released a book,

(01:40:41):
The Last Secret Agent. My Life is a Spy behind
Nazi Lines with the last surviving World War two British spy.
It's the real, untold story of Pipolatour's time as a
secret agent in the deadly world of Nazi France. The
book has been a smash hit here in New Zealand,
been reprinted four times and in Australia, and has been
released in the UK and is coming out in the

(01:41:02):
US A and May next year. I believe Jude, congratulations
on your huge success this year. Surprised at how well
the book was wenton was received.

Speaker 22 (01:41:10):
I hadn't actually thought about how well it would go.
It was just such a birth. The pregnancy and birth
was quite painful. But Pippa's story is amazing, and I'm
so pleased for her. She's no longer with us, of course,
but I'm really pleased for her that I could help
her bring that to life.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Yeah, yeah, I am.

Speaker 22 (01:41:27):
I secretly thought it might go okay because when I
started talking to.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Her way, Yeah, this is quite amazing. Yeah, because it
was a story that you know, when you came across
her and first started talking to her. It's quite amazing
that the story exists and exists here in New Zealand.
So the fact that it actually exists was amazing. And
then the execution of her story about you was fantastic,
but fantastic that you found it.

Speaker 17 (01:41:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:41:49):
I was researching some World War II Aviators in twenty nineteen,
and she was introduced to me and I said, oh, God,
should be great if you told your story one day,
and she said, gave me that look like that's never happening.
But she did tell her story with not a lot
of runway left at one hundred and one. Yeah, and
I secured a publishing deal for her, So I just

(01:42:12):
want to make that clear. The royalties and I go
my way, they all go to Hipper or her estate.
So and she didn't have a lot to her name.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
Yeah, And what was that first sit down with Piper?

Speaker 22 (01:42:21):
Like, oh, well there before we got to that stage. Yeah,
the first sit down you mean when we sat down
to chat, you're no really good? She was up for it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:42:30):
Yeah, she had a task and she wanted to do it.
And it was a bit like once she'd decided, it
was all good. I mean I had some rules around
rules of engagement, yes, you know, not more than sort
of nineteen minutes. She was one one hundred and one then,
and I had to go between the dove feeding times
and one day I was late, and of course she
didn't have a there's no data there, I mean, your

(01:42:53):
phone goes to SOS my wife, I know data, so
if I'm late, I couldn't run context.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
So for people that don't know the situation, she's she's
set up.

Speaker 22 (01:43:04):
Very remotely, yes, in Henderson Valley. Yeah, and very remote,
seventeen hectares.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
No no note, no, no, no WiFi, no five G.

Speaker 22 (01:43:13):
No, none of that.

Speaker 23 (01:43:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:43:14):
So it was quite It was quite love and my
phone would just sort of disappear. And if I was
if I got to travel a couple of times last
year with the World War One museum I was working
on in France, and so I would the first time,
silly may I thought, oh, yes, I'll show her all
the videos and the photos, and I went not, it's
all in the cloud. So before i'd visit, I'd have
to download everything to my laptop. And it was so
lovely to see her go oh yep, no, that's my village. Yeah,

(01:43:38):
oh yeah, And I remember that it was really visually
it was beautiful for her, just to watch her see
it all and and remember.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
And when did her family find out about her clandestine life?

Speaker 22 (01:43:49):
Early? Yeah, about twenty years ago. Wow, and she was
in the acies then, so something you know, people knew
of her. I mean, she's I found a wonderful researcher
in the UK. He knew all about her. They knew
of her, but she didn't tell her family. And there
were certainly the SAS and Defense knew here her here
for marvelous. They go out and clean up her house

(01:44:10):
every couple of years, twice a year. Yeah, but no,
I foundly didn't know. She's pretty. As she said, this
is nobody's business but my own, my war, my story.
I don't need to tell it until she did.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Yeah, because for us we find the whole thing interesting
and exciting. But for a long time for her, you know,
that was something she did, and then she came back
and had other parts of her life and children and
then sort of kind of I don't know. There's some
people that just we'll want to talk about it the
whole time over drinks, and there's some people that just
want to pine them for a while.

Speaker 22 (01:44:40):
Correct she was the latter.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
Well, thank goodness that you that you got to talk
to her, and so close to the end, as you say,
because yeah, lucky me. It's fantastic that the story got
out there.

Speaker 22 (01:44:52):
Yeah. No, I feel extremely privileged, Matt. They have talked
to her. Yeah, pretty fortunate.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Just a little bit about the the intro of Pippa
parachuting into the danger zone and obviously she put herself
in this immense danger and she was selected because she
was fluent in fre inch and she had those coding skills.
But she had to come up with some pretty ingenious
ways to get the messages back to the allies, didn't she.

Speaker 22 (01:45:15):
Are you talking about her coding? Yes, yeah, yeah, well
the way her silk code. She They're like a size
of a handkerchief really, and so she had decided to
put them into an old shoelace which was flat in
those days, and then stuffed them in with a knitting
needle and then use that as a hair tie because
of course, you know, you're not having pretty ribbons back

(01:45:35):
in the day, and she was her alias was a schoolgirl,
so it was quite normal to have some knitting and
you know that that is a hair tie.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Yeah, so that's how she had them.

Speaker 22 (01:45:46):
Yeah, surely only once almost got them discovered when she
got strip search, but they didn't think to look at that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
But yeah, incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
The bravery of it is what blows me away. And
you know, you wonder who has that bravery in them?
I know, I wouldn't have that bravery in me.

Speaker 22 (01:46:04):
A different time though, you know, although a world might
be changing, gets.

Speaker 17 (01:46:09):
It.

Speaker 22 (01:46:11):
I think, I think we've had a whole couple of generations.
I mean, I look at our children.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
You know, peace.

Speaker 22 (01:46:18):
Had peace for decades. They haven't known Europe at war,
have they? None of them? So and that generation is
just dying off that remember it?

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
And what was it like for you when you went
over there last year? I believe to visit these locations
and find more information about Purple? What was that like
for you?

Speaker 22 (01:46:34):
Extraordinary? Our schoolgirl French was utter rubbish, but I took
photos of her and managed her in this little village.
They remembered her. And the piece of gold for me
was going to the village they sent me. The chaps
on the batonk Court sent me five kilometers Sola met
what it was five kilometers, you know?

Speaker 5 (01:46:51):
Left.

Speaker 22 (01:46:52):
I got to this little library and there was a
book there that the man who has her touched on
on the ground his safe house, her safe house. He
had written a memoir and written all the dates of
exactly what happened, and her name was in it. And
so I went, hey, Peppa, you know those stories you
tell me and you don't know what time they are bingo,

(01:47:13):
I have it all. So that was just I mean,
I don't believe in another force, but there was something
there that went, yeah, hey, I can help you out.

Speaker 3 (01:47:22):
That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
We're talking to Jude Dobson, author of The Secret Agent
My Life is a Spy Behind Nazi Lines, the story
of Purpola Tours. We're now for the book, so it's
coming out in the US and may we got further
plans for it.

Speaker 22 (01:47:37):
Well, I have secured the option on film because I
would like to have a go at that. And I'm
learning how to do a screenplay, which is a different discipline.
And hey, look we've all got to scare ourselves and
learn new things. But I've very visualized what I quite
like in this film. So I need to find a
big film fish.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Yeah, yes, who wants to talk to me?

Speaker 22 (01:47:59):
And yeah, get on with doing that. I'd love to
make that film with somebody that knows more than me
about film.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
It's interesting that you should say visualize that because I
was just like this podcast with Quentin Tarantino and he
said the difference between film executives and filmmakers is that
the film maker has already visualized the film. I sure have,
so they can answer the questions because they've kind of
already seen it.

Speaker 22 (01:48:21):
Yeah, I've already put a drone up and got the
car going through there. I've got the doves, I've got
the care on the roof. I've got some things in
my head.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
Yeah, oh brilliant. Well, we'll just take a little bit
of a break here and if you can stick around, dude,
that would be great, and we'll ask you some questions
about your Christmas coming up for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons You
for twenty twenty four US Talk Dead Bad.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
B News Talk zed B. We are talking to Juke
Dobson as part of our great New Zealanders of Christmas series. Jude,
thanks again feving a chat with us.

Speaker 22 (01:49:01):
Oh, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
So what does Christmas look like for you this year?

Speaker 22 (01:49:04):
Well, our two big kids are flying back in from
the States. So that's my best, isn't I'm tracking them
on flat for flight.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
Radar as we speak. Yeah, and what part of the
will there and they're in American in America?

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Ye, yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
They're beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
All right, this is a key question. Best Christmas song
and best Christmas movie?

Speaker 22 (01:49:22):
Oh well, driving home for Christmas always makes me a
little bit teary. Yeah, it's so beautiful. I like songs
that are beautiful to listen to lyrically and also have
some meaning.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
Yeah. I was talking you about this yesterday. That piano
line and the chorus so good. Yeah, to play it,
and that last line he looks over at the guy,
he goes, he's just the same.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
That's such a great life.

Speaker 22 (01:49:44):
That's such a great life.

Speaker 3 (01:49:45):
Yeah, this might be a hard question, Jude, but the
best piece of advice you think you've had this year?

Speaker 22 (01:49:51):
Oh, I keep it. I have my mother in my
head actually because I've lost my mum and her advice
always rings true on anything. It's this, too shall pass,
which can be a little bit of a hackneyed expression,
but you know people often think about that as oh,
it's hard moment, you know it's going to pass. I
remember when our kids were little, she'd often say that

(01:50:13):
to me. But actually is the flip side of that,
which is when times are really good, they passed too.
So just trying to stay in the moment with what
you're doing and being in it, because it doesn't last.
Nothing lasts, and the only constant and that's the only
constant in life has changed. And often say that to
our young adult children, you know, just at all of us.
I mean, I've got nothing lined up in the way

(01:50:35):
of media next year, so I have to go, oh,
that's right, my own advice. Life constantly changed.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
It's really nice, so true.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
That's so true.

Speaker 8 (01:50:43):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
If you're going through a difficult time, it will pass.
But if you're going through a good time, that'll pass.
So enjoy that.

Speaker 22 (01:50:50):
And I think our role as fellow human beings is
to be cognizant of that, and especially at this time
that you just reach out to people, you know, it's
a bit I get a bit over the think, oh, family, friends,
have a lovely Christmas. A lot of people don't have
a lovely Christmas because they don't have family or friends.
So we we've often had waives and strays, which are
really fun Christmas. It's divorces whatever, you know, people on

(01:51:14):
their own it's lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
Yeah, and it is a huge thing. I was just
watching the Christmas Carol, you know that, and yeah, great,
and you know one of the best moments of that book.
I love the book, but as when you know, when
Scrooge goes around to his nephew's house and there's that
moment whether they're going to accept it, and then they
just go, yeah and bring in because even though he's
been a deck, he's on his own. And then so
they welcome him into that house. That's there's a great moment.

Speaker 22 (01:51:38):
Oh, I didn't say. My movie Polar Express and there's
little lots of little lovely moments and the you know,
like little Billy the kid who's a bit shy and
have the other kids still bring.

Speaker 16 (01:51:46):
Him on board.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Also also a motion capture Christmas movie direct by the
same as the Christmas Carol movie I was just talking about.
So yeah, there you go, Yeah, you're go, And look,
he's a difficult, difficult question, isn't it. You got a
message for New Zealand for twenty twenty five because everyone's
doing and survived to twenty twenty five, there's a lot
of grimness going. But you've got a message for us

(01:52:10):
in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 22 (01:52:11):
Well, I think it probably goes with the one I
was just saying about, you know, thinking about Christmas because
Christmas is just one day. But I do think that
thing of well, actually, resilience is the thing, but in
looking out for your fellow man. I know that sounds
a bit ridiculous and a bit cheesy, you know, great
some cheese on top of that, But I learned this
from Peppery actually, and I've learned it in some of

(01:52:33):
the child development stuff I've done. Resilience is it also
a bit of a thing. People go, oh, that means
hard enough, get them out there. Well, that's tough enough. Actually,
if you're resilient, that means you have people in your corner,
and actually that's one makes you resilient. You've got someone
that you can always talk to and say things are
a bit tough, and that actually gives you enough confidence
to give things a crack. So I'd say just think

(01:52:56):
about the people around you and what can you do.
Service is a funny, old fashioned expression, but what service
can you be to other people?

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Yeah, and when you think about your life and how
hard it may be, and for some people is very hard,
and others of us make it harder than it needs
to be. But you might want to think about Piper.
Behind the hind enemy lines are risking your life for
something that she believed in and needed to be done.
And not all of us have to do that, so
maybe we should do little bits of that if we can,

(01:53:24):
and whatever way it manifests in our lives, we need a.

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
Lot of that next year. Yeah, fantastic. Well, Jude, lovely
chatting with you and thank you very much. Have a
great Christmas you too, and we'll see again soon.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
Okay, send me.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
What a great new Zealander Jude Dobson is. Goodbye all right,
and we've got a copy of the Last Secret Agent,
The Untold Story of my life as a spy behind
Nazi enemy lines to give away Piper La Tour with
Jude Dobson, So just text Pipa to nine two nine
two and you could win a copy of this fantastic bocket.

(01:53:58):
Is really a really good.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
Read, incredible story, a well that is asked for today.
A great show today. I really enjoyed all the phone
calls and texts we've got and we'll do it all
again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
Yeah, and if you missed any of it then our
podcast will be out very soon. Until tomorrow. Give me
a taste of Kiwi and this is a great Christmas
song Cranky Chris Ray.

Speaker 23 (01:54:19):
Moving down that line, and it's been so long, but
I will be there, sing this song.

Speaker 16 (01:54:34):
To pass the time away.

Speaker 24 (01:54:37):
Driving in my car, driving home for Christmas, I'm gonna
thanks some time, but I'll get the.

Speaker 16 (01:54:51):
Chump to join Tim Blacks or I got red light
songs around, but will now be a free way? Can
I be the Holy Crown?

Speaker 7 (01:55:14):
Mo?

Speaker 19 (01:55:14):
Are you.

Speaker 6 (01:55:16):
More?

Speaker 16 (01:55:16):
You can't hear me when I get through? I'm say
I can't hear me.

Speaker 17 (01:55:27):
I'm driving home for Christmas, Driving home for Christmas.

Speaker 16 (01:55:37):
With a thousand memory. I take a look at the
driver next to me. He's just the same, just the same.

(01:56:17):
Talk to ty to.

Speaker 17 (01:56:21):
Oh, I got red lights all around. I'm driving home
for Christmas. Gem I feed on holy grounds?

Speaker 4 (01:56:39):
Who are you?

Speaker 12 (01:56:41):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:56:42):
You can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (01:56:44):
When I get met Tyler

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