Full Show Podcast: 19 March 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 19th of March - Rich baby boomers are being urged to leave something behind for charity. 
 
Then, are we a friendly country or do we think we are friendlier than we actually are?

And we end the show with our Ask The Expert segment - Animal Behaviourist Mark Vette. 

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello, are you great New Zealandism. Welcome to Matt and
Tyler Afternoon's full show, Pod number ninety for the nineteenth
of March in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five.
It was a Wednesday. Boy, oh boy, that was a
great chat. Learn a lot about dogs. We learned a
shocking fact that you won't get to the end of

(00:36):
the show around dog leavings.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Disgusting fact. Disgusting, but very interesting.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
They aren't the most disgusting thing in the world for
a dog. I guess that's not really effective. One knows
the dog's disgusting and do that kind of thing. Lots
of chats with x pets and some find us friendly,
some do not. And of course we went really really, really,
really really deep into wills and whether people are trying

(01:04):
to remove the gold teeth they want you gold from
our boomers on their yep. Yeah, all right, okay, then like, subscribe, follow,
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Speaker 1 (01:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:35):
Be good afternoon to you. Welcome into Wednesday. Hope you're
doing well wherever you're listening in the country. Great day
of your company as always, kiddo, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Get a Ti. I'm looking forward to Mark Vetti joining
us later after three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yes, that's going to be a fantastic hour. He is
going to join us for an hour this time because
it was so popular last time. But just before we
go to the rest of the show, someone sent something
to me and it was on the back of we
all know she had a fantastic New Zealand band, one
of the best, had their last shows last weekend. But
this little bit of audio from the sold out event

(02:18):
at Spark Arena.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
We played Altius into Artist Square and I was talking
to Matt he you know, he used to be.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
An Dejo and I was talking to a.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
Backstage and we just got to go on and then
someone comes.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Up to me and goes, hey, do you want to
meet the prime minister and it was Helen Clark and
I was like, yeah, see you later, Matt, I'm going
to talk to the Prime minister.

Speaker 6 (02:46):
And he felt sad.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
So what's going on there? Well, what's the best crowd
of this story? That's a hell of a thing for
John too Good to just share with the crowd.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I'm just trying to unpack that for a second. So
he's telling a story. He's talking to me backstage. We
talked a lot she had back in the day my
band Deja Voda that he pretends not to remember. He
got there in the end and would have killed the
audience have a bigger cheer than just it's about two
of the and so just trying to unpick what happened there.

(03:20):
So he was talking to me and then someone said
you want to meet the Prime minister and then he
went and talked to her. And I was sad. Apparently, yeah,
was I said because I hadn't been invited to talk
to the prime mister? Or was I sayd because John too
Good was talking to the Prime minister. I don't know. Well,
I'll tell you what would Helen Clark even enjoyed she
had because I lived near Eden Park, and she's always
trying to shut down the concerts there. I think she's
only really interested in classical music and opera. I don't

(03:43):
know if she had, you know, hard rocking ways would
sit well with Helen Clark.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Out of all the prime ministers, for John Good to
say to you, Sorry, Matt, I've got to go, Helen Clark.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, I'll tell you what you know. You know, no
news as bad news, no it, all mentions are good.
I think that's raising my profile through the roof.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Now exactly, we might have to get John on to
just like unpick that prop.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Whatever it killed him to say, Matt from Matt and
Tyler Afternoons on z B, Yeah, come on right, play
the game rather than my old band Yeah, daij a
Voodoo Yeah, come on old news.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
All right, Good to put that one to bed for now.
We might get John two got on the show at
some stage and figure it all out. But on to
the show. As you mentioned, Mark Vidi, he's on for
our Animal Behaviorist and this is an incredibly popular segment,
so it pays to get in early. If you've got
a question. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Andrews standing by.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
As your cat or dog or rabbit crazy. Yeah, he'll
help with it. So yeah, get an early nine two
ninety two, and then yeah, you want to be quick
on the phone after three on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. As you say, Tyler yep, hugely popular every
time we have him.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
On, absolutely after two o'clock. We didn't get a chance
to dive into this yesterday as we went a super
deep on hitchhiking chat, which was fantastic. But we want
to get into this today. Do we think we're actually
friendly at than we are?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, that's right. So a investigation, no, a study you'd
call it, and to the countries that are most friendly
expats living in a country found that New Zealand was
way down the list, way down the list. Only two
and five ex pats living in New Zealand thought that
we were friendly, agreed with were friendly as opposed to
Costa Rica or it's ninety percent.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
The people that are worse than us were Norway, Denmark
and Finland and Sweden.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
It's about time we beat them at something.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, they normally come number one on these happiness lists.
There's always there's normally Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Australia and New
Zealand at the top of these good lists. But for
some reason we're according to this, we're not as friendly
as we might like to be. So, if you are
an expat living in the country, how do you feel
are we friendly? Have we invited you into your lives?

(05:51):
As Tyler said, we wanted to talk about this yesterday,
but we got too many phone calls on hitch hiking
and too many texts on hitchhiking, so we could under
the avalanche. We couldn't get to this topic. But it's
an interesting one because.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
I believe I'm very friendly, yep, and we love to
think we're friendly, but keen to hear from you if
you are an expat or you've moved to this beautiful gun.
That's after two o'clock, because right now, let's have a
chat about giving to charity.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, that's right. So there has been a request that's
put out there. John McLeod, he's been running a report
from financial advisors Jbware and they're saying that they want
more money from people that are dying. Basically, they want
more boomers that are dying, which is morbid. If you

(06:34):
ask me to give more money to charity. It's the
number of people dying about thirty seven thousand per year,
he says in New Zealand and the average wealth of
those who are likely to die, which it's about seven
hundred and fifty thousand per person. So you put those
two together and that's twenty seven billion dollars. That thirty
seven thousand per year currently was only twenty seven thousand.

(06:54):
That thirty seven thousand was only twenty seven twenty years ago,
and it's going to move to sixty six thousand people
dying in another fifty years, so you can really see
it coming through in the number of people passing away
between now and twenty fifty it'll be one point six
trillion being handed down. So he wants that money going
to charity. Yeah, he says only one point three percent

(07:17):
of wealth passed on from the deceased in New Zealand
went to charity, which is actually a lot. It's three
hundred and twenty million dollars, but he wants it. He
wants it up round a billion. So how do you
feel about this because it seems to me, obviously people
can do what they want with their money when they die,
and your first obligation obviously is to your kids, right
and to the people around you sometimes as long as

(07:37):
it be nice to you. Yes, are you doing that?
Are you are you planning to do? We owe it
to leave money to charity? Or have you across your life,
have you already in your taxes and the various things
in your life already already helped out enough? Does it
make you a good person to do that? If you
leave it, leave money to charity when you go out.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
The more I think about this, and I know that
you think it's very cheeky of this particular gentleman saying, hey,
if you're going to cark it, we want some of
that sweet sweet cash that you've got in your will,
so please remember us. But the more I think about it,
the more I think, what is wrong with leaving just
a little bit of money to a charity that you
deeply believe in? Because some people would look at that

(08:19):
there as a bit of a legacy to leave behind.
Hopefully they sought the kids out of the kids'd be
nice to moment bed look.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Absolutely, if you want to do that, you should, But
it's just that relish, how excited he is about how
many more people are going to be dying and how
much more money is going to come into the system
and wants to grab that for charity.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, it just.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Feels a little bit like digging up graves and removing
people's teeth. That's an unfair analogy, isn't it, Because just.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Let that hang for a bit.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
That's as like saying, could you put my teeth in
the will? My gold teeth in the will? Yeah? But yeah,
I mean, I don't know, what do you think? Are
you planning to do that? Would you do it?

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Well? I think, and it's easy for me to say
at the age of thirty nine, but I think I
probably would put that in my will with the proviso
that I could change that later in life if my
kids good to me.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
But okay, put your money where your mouth. There is
what percentage of the huge wealth and I'm sure Tyler
Adams will have when he retire, when he passes away,
what percentage would you give to think is an amount
to give to charity?

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Twenty k? Twenty k seems about right. Well, here's here's
I'm going to follow it up with. I am someone
that gives to charity on an ad hoc basis. It's
not a regular kind of thing that I do, and
not for any other reason other than it's kind of
just out of sight, out of mind. I'll give a
couple of bucks to the SBCF i see them with
their bucket out, but other than that, I don't really

(09:43):
give too much. So at the end of my life,
if I haven't been someone that has been given that
much to charities that I believe in, that would be
a nice thing to do. As we send off to
say I believe in that you is a charity, and
here's twenty K, thirty K, forty k as my parting gift.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, okay, well I'm good on you, and absolutely it's
a fantastic thing to do. But that's just here talking
ralishing the amount of people that are dying. This guy
thirty seven thousand per year currently was only twenty seven
twenty years ago, and it's going to move to sixty
six thousand people dying every year between now and twenty fifty.

(10:21):
It will be one point six trillion dollars. It's a
massive total. We want to get our hands on to
get the charities and three hundred and twenty million dollars. Yeah,
it's okay, but it could be a billion, It could
be a billion. You'd want to make sure. How about
just just give it to your kids and say you
do what you want. And if you're a charitable people,
you've brought up your kids, well then they'll be charitable
people and they'll spend the money. I know this, I

(10:41):
don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How do you feel
about this one? Are you someone that you think you
will actually leave a generous gift to a charity on
your passing or in your will if you've already got
your will written up and that is speculated in there?
Do your kids know? Love to hear from you?

Speaker 7 (10:57):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is an umber to call?
Nine two nine two is the text number. It is
sixteen past one.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
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Speaker 3 (11:16):
There'd be good afternoon, and we're talking about giving to
charity on your passing, putting it in your will. It
is a call from a man called John McCloud. He
is asking New Zealanders to give to charity a lot
more when they pass away. It is going to be
the largest ever into generational wealth transfer over the next

(11:36):
couple of decades, and they want a slice of some
of that money.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
It's interesting, isn't Because everyone goes, oh boom, has got
so lucky with the you know, when they are born
in terms of house prices and all that kind of stuff,
and you know, you can argue about that or not,
but it all comes back exactly. You can't take it
with you.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
And I say, personally, your first responsibility is obviously to
your children, unless they've been dicks. Guys. My childless cousin
died last year seventy eight and has amassed five million dollars.
She gave forty thousand k to each of her three
siblings and split the rest to animal charities. Siblings were
not happy, but that's what she wanted. Yeah, I mean,
that's what she wanted. Then that's good. You're going to

(12:11):
make sure the charities that you're giving money to are
going to do what you think they're going to do,
and they're not just paying a bunch of CEOs and
you know, board members an insane amount of money.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
That would slightly gall me, though he's not even slightly
golled me that there was five million sitting there and
you got forty k and the rest of the millions
went to what is a lovely animal charity. Don't get
me wrong, but as a child, you'll be thinking, jeez.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I got to use that couple of mil I always
think we're he when people give all their money to
animal charities over human charities. I mean, here, you know humans,
Come on, it's got to be humans first, surely, you know.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty Josh, how
are you this afternoon?

Speaker 8 (12:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (12:51):
Hey boys, yeah, good good, Yeah, a good yarns A
little bit too much excitement there from you, madie. How
many people are going to die?

Speaker 7 (13:00):
Sir?

Speaker 10 (13:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I mean this guy is saying thirty seven thousand this year, Josh, Yeah,
But in another fifty years, will we sixty six thousand
of us dying every year? That have probably been made
that one of those sixty six thousand At that point,
this guy wants to it's pretty excited about the amount
of people dying and how much money you can get
from them.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, we've just lost, Josh, but we'll get them back.
Very shortly. But just to repeat some more of these
quotes from this the lead author of the study, John McLeod, So,
currently about three hundred and twenty million was left to
charities in New Zealand annually. But McLeod said, why he said,
I quote that isn't bad, but it could be one billion.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
He wants to pull one billion dollar worth of gold
teeth out of Boomer's mouth. That's what he wants. Josh,
your thoughts you're back, I.

Speaker 11 (13:44):
Believe, yeah, sorry about that.

Speaker 9 (13:46):
No, hey, no, mady, I liked your thoughts around where's
the money going? Like, as an example, if you do
leave the money, how much of it's going to go
to what you think it's going to go to? You know,
like is it all going to the bureaucratic top end
of the business or is it going to hungry you know?

(14:09):
Like those are the questions that I guess we.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
Want to know.

Speaker 9 (14:14):
But yeah, how much of the money do they raise
in New Zealand is actually spent in New Zealand's That's
the other thing I'd like to know. If I'm going
to leave my fifty cents or fifty grand with whoever, Yeah,
is it going to be used correctly and is it
going to be used in New Zealand. That's what I'd
like to know.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, and I suppose that. You know, if you were
going to leave that amount of money to a charity,
you'd probably do your due diligence as much as possible
to make sure that there's going to be the case right.
And I would assume the likes of let's say, the SBCA,
because I am a big supporter of the SBCA, I
think and I might be proven wrong here, but I
think a lot of that if you donate to SBCA,

(14:54):
most of that, if not all, of it stays with
the New Zealand. If you donate to some of the
international guys like unic for Doctors Without Borders do some
good work, but a chunk of that change goes off
off shure.

Speaker 12 (15:06):
I do.

Speaker 9 (15:06):
I do feel for the collectors because I'm continuously giving
them the no. Sorry, I donate to local charities. That
tends to be my answer, Like I'll say something like no,
I do donate to the Children's Hospital as an example,
but I'm not going to give money to the Red

(15:26):
Cross because, like I say, it's top heavy. I don't
know who's getting the money blah blah blah blah blah,
like you'd rather know for sure it's going somewhere good
for good public use, you know, thanks to.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
You, cool Josh, I appreciate it. Yeah. I mean, in
the perfect world, you would bring up children, you would
be charitable throughout your life where you can, in your
local community and wherever you think is the right thing,
and you would bring children into the world that had
the same values for you. So you leave the money
to them and they continue it.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
It's kind of like if you're isn't it kind of
like saying, oh, my kids and I'm giving them money.
They're terrible people when they are not going to give
it to the people. You know, they're not going to
give any money to charity.

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Speaker 3 (18:06):
Good afternoon, twenty seven past one, and we're talking about
giving two charities in your will.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
This guy John McLeod, part of the financial advisors JB. Ware,
There was a study, there was a report put into it,
and he said, they basically want to lift the amount
of money that people are leaving to charity in their wills.
It's currently one point three percent. That's pretty good, three
hundred and twenty million dollars a year. He wants two percent,
three percent, even four percent off you when you're to die.

(18:33):
Tashas I donate to local grants through lotto, so I
feel like I'm doing my bit weekly, Lowell ex just
time accounts. There's a few people saying that give you that, guys,
I can do frequently. I can frequently make donations directly
to individuals that I think need or deserve my houp,
sometimes anonymously, but very rarely do I give it to
so called charities because of the siphoning of the donated

(18:54):
funds by administrators. Yes, I've observed this firsthand. So yeah,
I mean you can just go and give money straight
to individuals, you know, cut out the middle person.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yep, very true. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call get a mark.

Speaker 7 (19:08):
Hello, how are you good? Good?

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Good good. So you've been in a situation similar to
this where your parents left some money to a charity
in their will.

Speaker 11 (19:20):
That's right.

Speaker 8 (19:21):
Yeah, In the UK there's a forty inheritance tax, so
I believe that something like the threshold is five hundred
thousand pound, So anything over five hundred thousand pounds you
have to pay forty percent on. So if you donate
to charities, no tax. So what a lot of people
do over there, as my mother did, is after the

(19:43):
threshold was hit, she left it all to charity. So
she didn't have to pay the tax. So the guy
who once saw the money left to charities in this country,
all you've got to do is bring an inheritance tax
and then make it tax free to give to charities.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
What do you think of an inheritance tax. I've got
mixed opinions on that. Someone works their whole life and
they a mess a fortune that they want to hand
on to future generations, to their grandkids in their kids,
and the government says, naw, forty percent of that's mine.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I hate it. I mean it's tripled up in, isn't it.
They've already paid tax on the money they've paid, takes
their whole life on those earnings and their inheritance, and
then the government wants another cut of it. Anyway, there's
thought your thoughts, Mark.

Speaker 8 (20:25):
Well, that's fair enough, but look at it as this
point of view. I mean, you've worked all your life, right,
there's the biggest transfer of wealth. Of wealth is going
to happen in the future if you bring inheritance tax
and then you have a point where it's say, I
don't know, say a million dollars or two million dollars
before tax, and then you tax it a forty percent

(20:48):
and you say, right, if you donated a charity, no tax,
So there's still enough money to leave in your will
to your children and what have you. And the people
that are seriously, seriously wealthy, why not, I mean me personally,
I haven't. I've got one kid in the UK and years,
I mean a while the previous government was talking about

(21:10):
a wealth tax. Well, realistically, I don't really want to
pay a wealth tax because I've got to live. I
don't know how long I'm going to have to live.
But basically inheritance tax, I've got no problem with an
inheritance tax because I'm gone, I'm dead. You mean that
taxed me then when I'm gone, because at least I
don't have the stress of stress of living is going off?

(21:33):
Excuse me, can't afford to pay the electric bill, can't
afford to pay this bill because they're taking a wealth
tax of one percent every year and it's money I
haven't even got, So tax me when when I'm gone,
No problem.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah with then? Hereton tax in the UK mark is
that your assets, your property, all of it? Is that
all taken into.

Speaker 8 (21:55):
Everything, everything yet the whole lot. So basically, if your
net worth, say two million, five hundred thousand is basically
tax free, and it starts off at three hundred thousand.
Then I think it goes to five thousand of the maximum.
I don't know how it works, but there's a there's
a thing anyway that's getting into the nuts and bolts

(22:16):
a bit. So you'll be taxed at forty percent on
one point five million, and that's a lot. That's like
six hundred thousand pounds go into the tax office.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
And sorry, sorry to jump in there, Mark, but we're
going to get to the headline shortly. But you didn't
mind yourself that your mother did that. That was a
way for her to get around that text. But that
also meant that you missed out on that inheritance.

Speaker 7 (22:38):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 8 (22:39):
But at the end of the day, she's worked for
her life, she's done that. She told me for years,
I'm not going to leave you the thing, not going
to leave you anything told boy. And then at the
end of the day, it doesn't really matter that much,
does it, because it's up to her what she does.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for your call. Mark.
Sure about the inheritance text, I feel I feel like,
you know, it just feels morbid that the government goes
and you're on your way out. So I'll take some
of what you earned. And you know, I would like
to think in my life I would be in a
position to hel my grandchildren's out. Yeah, my grandchildren out
in some regard anyway. One hundred and eighty ten eighty

(23:13):
nine two nine two. There are calls for New Zealanders
to donate more money in their worlds to charity. Currently
we're donating three hundred and twenty million a year. This guy,
John McLeod wants that to go up to a billion,
all right, as it's stealing gold from the teeth of
dead people.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
What do you think go one hundred eighty ten eighty
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Speaker 3 (25:03):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, having a great discussion about
giving to charity. The largest ever intergeneraational wealth transfer is
under way around the world, and the charities would like
a little bit of that cash.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Mind, now I need to work on my analogy, on
my metaphor around Is this grulish? Is this just trying
to take gold teeth? Dig up graves and take gold teeth.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
It doesn't call nana's gold teeth.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
It doesn't quite work. But is it hassling Nana for
her gold teeth? Is this what that is? And isn't
the right thing to do in life to bring up
children that are charitable through their life. I'm a big
believer in charity across all things, within your family, within
your community, everywhere. Again, sure, but isn't the idea in
life to bring up children that share those views of charity?

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And then you give you write them into the will,
and then you think that they will well, you know
that they will continue your good work into the future.
And that's a transfer not just of wealth, but of
knowledge and morals. Isn't that the system? That's when the
system's working, rather than just hassling people for another four

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percent of this stuff on their way out the door.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
It's a lovely ideal that you've just mentioned there, But
how many times would they say, now, kids I'm a
massive supporter of animal charities SPCA look after them with
this inheritance, I'm going to give you here's a million
bucks each. How many times would the kids say yep, absolutely,
Mum and dad and then just go buy a boat.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Well, that means that you haven't succeeded and bring your
kids up and then that's a bummer. But you in
the as I say, in the perfect world, that's the situation.
I'm also a find it a bit weird. I love animals,
love my dog Colin, love animals. But I also think
it's a weird thing when people give money to animals

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charities when they die and not human charities, because I
think there's so much human suffering in the world and
we need to sort that out first, I would think.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
I think, on a philosophical argument, you're absolutely right. But
I'll tell you why I give to animal charities is
because I think there's more people that think your way
than that think like I do, that animal charities deserve
my money more than the human charities, because that to me,
the animals suffering are more vulnerable. But I get your point.
I think there's a lot more people like you out
there that would say, hey, animals are down the list.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
So we might give to tell you what Tyler, you
know what animal charity is. Every time I take my
dog Colin to the vet's that's about five percent of
my income at the moment.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Insurance ped insurance Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighties Radical,
welcome to the show your thoughts on this.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah, I'm I'm a little bit more on the government side.
So I'm the treasurer for the Wellington Area Committee for
Heart to Honey Saint John oh And in Wellington. In
Wellington we do not have an ambulance service. So but
what we do is we fund five or six different activities.
We fund Faery Pets for the mental health, Friends of
d car and Caller, a youth program for about one

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hundred and forty kids, and also a community services budget
which we then fund things like first aid courses for
volunteers at charities, ads and first aid kits and a
whole bunch of other little bits and pieces. I can
tell you now is that we would not survive if
we did not get donations from the public. And there

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is a very small element of that which are bequeaths
and also a couple of Valentonians have been quite well off.
They've passed and they've created a trust and then we
get a little bit of money from that trust every
year on application. So New Zealanders are fantastic for volunteering
as individuals.

Speaker 11 (28:38):
Whether it's at a school, rugby team when you first start,
or sport right through too.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
Those that turn up at hospital, the oldest at drive
health shuttles and all that sort of stuff up and
down the country. So I do encourage people that if
you do have a feeling that you've been rescued by
an ambulance or somebody's done your good deed or whatever,
then give that to that charity rather than one out
of the blue. For example, it's mental health challenges. A

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few years ago I went and did an outward Bound
course as a.

Speaker 11 (29:08):
Fifty five year old.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Awesome.

Speaker 11 (29:10):
She was a bit of a challenge made I've had you.
I got through it.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
But what I've done is in my will I've given
them ten grand to let three kids go on a
course once I passed. So that's giving something back with
a purpose. I'm just saying, here's fifty grand to do something,
have a little bit more thought about it. But we
would not survive, and a lot of the underprivileged, the poor,

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those and injuries, those in mental health will not be
in this world unless.

Speaker 11 (29:39):
We meet some assistance by fundraising. That's the bottom.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Do you have the bord it? Do you have kids, Chris?

Speaker 14 (29:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (29:45):
I had three adult kids. Yep.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah. What do you say about my thought experiment? I
guess you'd call it maybe not, But I was just
saying that, you know, if your kids have been brought
up with the same morals, and it sounds like you've
got fantastic morals, Chris, that if you left the money
to them, then they would be doing charity in real
time and being able to across their lives. I'm adding

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a bit to what I said before, across the across
their lives make decisions with the information in hand, of
a charitable nature, with the morals that you've passed down
to them.

Speaker 11 (30:20):
So I've got two sides to that.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
One one it would be a great ideal world if
that happens.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
The problem we've got.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
The problem we've got is we've got an economical science,
we've got our world that they live in, We've got
their desires, and also they've probably got a partner and
or children. And if we're facing a seven hundred thousand
dollars house bill and they're not getting there because they're
not quite up around the hoigh money, that's a challenge.
The second sider though, if they gave a donation, they'd

(30:47):
get a third back from tax, So it's not like
it's not like three hundred thousand dollars is being given
to a charity. It's three hundred thousand dollars been given
and they get one hundred thousand dollars back in tax,
So there's actually a little bit of a curveful there
that might help them.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
It's so I'd say great and good on people that
do it, but I just feel a little bit odd
about people being hassled like you're not a good person
if you don't do it. In my opinion, looking after
your kids and your grandkids is your first first priority,
and then after that then some charity. Hey I've got
a question for you, Chris, and you might not be
able to answer it. Answer this, but I came across

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this isn't a medical question, it's a functional question, and
it's all cond It's not Wellington. But I came me
and my neighbor came across a person that was unconscious
on the street last Friday. Yeah, and we called you.

Speaker 11 (31:38):
I heard that the other day.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh yeah right, and we came and we called an ambulance.
We've gotta be careful and normally I animally say ambulance
and the text machine fires up due to my terrible pronunciation.
And when they came, when Saint John comes, they were
absolutely amazing, but it took them an hour and a
half to get there. So is there a priority list?
So when that happens, is that because there's strokes in

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the area and they have to basically make these really
hard decisions on who's the person that they're going to
go to first.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
So as far as any emergency services or hospitals concerned,
heart trumps everything, right, So if the heart has stopped,
that is the prioriti one. But if the heart is
working but there's bleeding, that all priority. So I'll give
you an example. Three years ago, I had an i
Tilly's tenant in the bush. I came out for two months.

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They told them to wear the boot. I had a massive.

Speaker 11 (32:30):
Pomy embolism with a clot that went up through my legs,
through my heart and blocked the wide junction to my
lungs and I collapsed at home. Okay, when I woke
up sometime later, I had pulled my phone down. I
called the phone, did the one on one thing, etc.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
And then the lady said, if you get any worse,
call us back now. For me to call them back,
I would have to be dead right now.

Speaker 11 (32:55):
I then put it.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
And because we teach our youth about the person would
stay on the phone, will help you.

Speaker 11 (33:00):
Through whatever you do. When I teach CPR, I.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
Say that the operator will could well help you do
CPR no idea what to do? So I put a
complaint in one does well, Actually there's more of a
can you help me understand why you did that. I
got a call back saying sorry that you felt that way.
And I've been in the army and stuff, and that
was the most alone moment in my sixty odd years
of life. But what the guy said was is that

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you were breathing, although with severe difficulty, You were conscious,
you were aware, and we had one on one call
stacking up right. Yeah, so we had to hang up
and call somebody else.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well, I'm so glad you're right, Chris. Yeah, it sounds
like a terrified question.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
And listen.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
Unfortunately, I'm a bit of a magnet for oshites at
the moment. So I've called one on one six times
to the end of February this year, four related to
medical things and two related to police related matters. Now what,
I've been really pleased with those. And there was one
incident where there was somebody falling over the middle of
the road, and see you what was really great was

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all the other motives who pulled.

Speaker 11 (34:06):
Over to give a hand.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, you know, and that was some people that were aware,
some people that the trap had they have that traffic
hard drive turned up, so they still did the road
traffic and that was really cool until the ambulance finally
got there and listener did take forty odd minutes, but
we had a guy breathing, unconscious on the ground, moaning
but alive.

Speaker 11 (34:25):
Yeah, yeah, it's in that priority stat.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Sorry, as the guys that were driving past in their
four white fours were going, you off the bloody robe,
what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
They're bad people, yeah, bad people. But yeah, so glad
that you came out of that, all right, that that
health incident you had. But yeah, that's what I was
thinking the other day when this guy went down, and
obviously what's happened here is because we could talk to him.
He was surrounded by people. He knocked himself unconscious, but
he could vaguely talk. He was doing a bit of
bleeding that he was put down the list for Saint John's.
But one thing that did strike me that there was

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there was me and my neighbor were standing around him,
and more people were standing around him. Then everyone, a
bunch of people stayed and looked after him until the
ambulance came. And you hear all the stuff about people
being you know, selfish and stuff. I was just watching
these people turn up and I was like, you know, we're.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Good, You're all right, New Zealand, are all right? All right?

Speaker 2 (35:14):
All right?

Speaker 7 (35:15):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you're going to leave money to charity and
you will love to hear from you. Is it important
to do that? It is thirteen to two.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Mattith Tyler Adams with you is your afternoon rolls on
Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety attention
to detail and a commitment to comfort.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
News talks.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
They'd be ten to two.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Are there are calls for more? Can we used to
leave money in their wills to charities as the biggest
transfer of wealth and history is about to go down.
Is this morbid charity mugging yeah and hassling or is
this a beautiful, beautiful thing? Your thoughts on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty nine to nine to two, Bob,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (35:58):
Yeah, Hi guys. Yeah. My biggest concern, so there are
eighteen thousand registered charities is in New Zealand and I
find that absolutely astonishing, and they all are away on
a tax free basis, and my feeling is that it

(36:23):
really turns in at the end of the day to
be a job for the boys. I don't know how
much of that money actually goes for what you're trying
to contribute to that. I don't think it's a lot.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Yeah, I mean on that, Bob. And granted there's a
lot of so called charities and quotation marks that are arguably,
you know, a little bit dodgy. But for the ones
that are legitimate, do you think they've got processes in
place that we can see how transparent they are with
where the money goes?

Speaker 10 (36:58):
Well, I think they should be to provide what percentage
of those donations go to where needs to go instead
of just saw the administration.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 10 (37:14):
So much turns out to these jobs for the boys.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, thank you so much for your caol Bob. It
sounds like Bob's either turning a corner where he's got
like a clip clop pony coming up behind him in
the car. But yeah, I mean, I guess you'd want
to do the due diligence when you say you've got
eighteen thousand charities. When you start a charity and there's
already another charity that's doing the same thing as you do,
you go, well, maybe I should just be part of
that charity. So I mean, in that eighteen thousand charities,

(37:41):
a lot of them are doing the you know, trying
to help the same people.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, some of them would be vanity projects. Let's be
honest here, do.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
We need to bring in an audit where we get
people together and someone goes through and goes, you're actually
the same charity. You're together so we can cut on
the administration on you. You're the same charity. You're a
load of rubbish. Get out, what are you doing this?
This is a vanity project.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
A bit of amalgamation. Yeah, oh, eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We're going
to play some messages, but we'll come back with more
of your phone calls. It is eight minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Matteath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo
XC ninety tick every box, a seamless experience awaits news
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Speaker 3 (38:25):
It is five to two. A couple of texts, then
will wrap this one up.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Hey, team, great showers always. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
It appears the number of people like me would like
to see all charities audited to establish what fees versus
actual good comes out of the three hundred and twenty
plus million that has been donated in people's wills as
showing with the USA D Can we really trust these NGOs? Yeah,
I mean I guess you can. You can investigate. You know,

(38:54):
it has to be printed where everything goes, So before
you put someone in your will, you might want to
do a big sniff around and see where it's actually
going and how much is on admin and how much
is on helping people.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
I think they do have to open their books, don't they?
Is it hard of being a charity? You have to
be transparent. This one sees guys leave it to your
kids and they will do the right thing. Why would
they not do the same as you and leave it
to all of their kids. If that's not the right thing,
then why don't you do the right thing now? Which
is kind of to your point?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, that's right. So you want to be charitable through
your whole life, absolutely, and you want to bring up
kids that are charitable through their life. And I think
the primarily job of people is to leave money to
their kids, in their in their grandkids. If you want
to give more and you've got some, you oh for it.
Good on you, Yeah, good on you, Good on you,
Good on you.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Go to town. That has been a great discussion.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
But attempt to bring up kids that will be charitable
with the money you leave them.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Yep, always sound advice, great discussion. Thank you very much
for all your phone calls and text right coming up
after two o'clock. Are we as friendly as we think
we are? Not according to a survey that's just been released,
But we want to hear from you. If you've moved
to this beautiful country. How friendly are us Kiwi's Oh
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.

(40:04):
New Sport the weather on its way. You're listening to
Matt and Tyler very very good after noon's you. We'll
see you on the other.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Side talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety news dog z'b.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show. Now,
just before we move on to our next topic.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, there was a bit of that previous topic talking
about in this you know this guy John McLeod who's
pushing for us to donate more in our worlds to charity. Yep,
read this bit of the report. New Zealand has a
relatively is a relative sorry, New Zealand is a relatively
wealthy country per capita about seventh in the world and
despite growing inequality, still fourth for median wealth. If you

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could bear that to somewhere like the States, which has
got a lot of wealthy people, they move from number
four on average down to fourteen on medium. So your
wealth is spread. While there's inequality, it has spread more
evenly than it is in many other countries there you go,
So you don't really often hear that, do you. And
also that on average people have seven hundred and fifty

(41:11):
thousand dollars to leave in their wills. So you know,
we always hear how bad things are in New Zealand,
but you know it must be pretty bad in the
rest of the world. We're seventh in the world including
a wealth per capita.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
We're doing okay. Yes, there's some things to sort out,
no doubt about it. But you know, geez, we're lucky
in this country sometimes.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
But are we friendly? Tyler?

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Wow, that is the big question. So that is the
question we've got for you over the next fifteen minutes
or so. Are we as friendly as we think we are?
On the back of a survey on who expats thought
we're the friendliest country. So these are expats that have
moved to a particular country and made it their new home.
They were surveyed by their home country into weather it

(41:52):
is friendly or not.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yes, so two out of five said that New Zealand does.
We're friendly. So a next pat is just someone that's
living in another country other than their own home. Yeah,
basically yep. So two out of five said New Zealand
we're friendly, as opposed to the most friendly place in
the world, Costa Rica ninety percent. So nine and ten
said the locals were friendly. I thought, surely we're better

(42:19):
than two out of five.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
I was gutted to see that. So thirty nine percent
thought that we were friendly as a country, and we
pride ourselves grateful. We pride ourselves on being a friendly bunch.
But maybe what they perceive is friendliness. I think on
the surface level we are pretty friendly, but maybe it
goes a bit deeper. Maybe they're talking about friendliness is
actually making friends connections, going a little bit further than

(42:42):
just get a john. How are you doing today? I've
good girl.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Being invited around for dinner. Yeah, you know, being invited
out to a bar for beers, rather than someone just
going good a mate, but actually going a little bit deeper.
Now I've got this text from Greek here. He says,
didn't we do how friendly are we? Topic? Yesterday? Have
you run out of ideas? Greg? We're a victim of
our own success. We tried to do this topic yesterday,
but I told a little story about this woman that

(43:06):
I drove across town and whether I should or not.
That blew up in two thousands and thousands of texts
and a whole heap of phone calls on hitchhikingh So this,
this topic got washed away yesterday in the flood of
hitchhiking story.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
And we had a bunch of texts and calls who
wanted to chat about this and cut it. So we
wanted to do it justice today. So keen to hear
from you. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Call O there, Greg?

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yes, okay, Greg, We love you though, Greg. Thanks for
texting here, mate, great guy.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Nine two ninety two is the text number. And if
you've recently moved here or you've been here for some time,
love to hear from you. Do We overplay our friendliness
in New Zealand. We love to say we're a friendly
bunch and we love hearing people say we're friendly. But
is it really the case.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
This Texter who's an ex pat living in New Zealand.
You Kiwis are famous for praising yourselves, so we are
we assume, we assume that we're friendly. Yeah, when we
go we're the friendliest people. We love to back ourselves,
but this study says we're only two out of five
friendly instead of nine out of ten friendly. Cost Abby
that the friendest countries go like, that's Costa Rica, Mexico, Philippines, Indonesia, Brazil, Thailand, Panama, Colombia, Kenya,

(44:18):
and Greece.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
There's only one country I've been to out of those ones, Thailand.
They were pretty friendly in Thailand, very friendly.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
They're so friendly in Thailand, yeah, incredibly famously friendly. And
Thiland absolutely, but do they do you know, do you
end up being friends with people as a deeper level.
So yeah, we'd love to hear from expats in New Zealand.
Have you been invited into other people's lives? Have you
found it easy to make friends here? Are we friendly?
When you're walking around the streets? Do we welcome you in?

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Do shop keepers say get a yep? We'd love to
hear from you.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The phone lines have
let up. If you can't get through, keep trying. Nine
two ninety two is the text number if you prefer
to send a text, it is eleven parts two.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
There you go, Greg, look at that well, the phone
calls calling through other people that must have yesterday.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Still love you, Greek. You're all right, man, Yeah, he's good.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Go gree Yea.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
You seem pretty friendly.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah, well that's next. Tex isn't as nice thing?

Speaker 1 (45:12):
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with the Volvo XC ninety turn every journey into something special.
Call eight hundred eighty News Talk zed.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
B, News Talk zed B. We've asked the question, are
kiwiez us as friendly as we think we are? This
is a call on the back of rather a survey
that says we are not that friendly. We're kind of
middle of the pack. We have gone up sixteen points
to twenty first out of fifty. But that's not great
being in the middle. The most friendly countries, according to

(45:45):
expats are Costa Rica, Mexico, Philippines, Indonesia and Brazil are
in the top five, right down the bottom in terms
of unfriendly And you were quite happy to see this, Matt.

Speaker 7 (45:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Those those Northern European countries that normally win all these things,
your Finland's and your den Marks, they're always at the
top of the happiness index. In your Sweden's they're right
at the bottom. Not very friendly. Hey you guys, you
Kiwi says the sticks here and look, Kis are taking
a little bit of hammering in the text machine nine nineteen. U,
Kiwis are not as you think. You like to say,

(46:15):
you're so humble. The irony is that you're completely up yourselves.
Kiwi's this Kiwi that you're not that different from the country.
So no, after us, after asking where you from, mate,
you stop talking. I'm from Ireland. Enough up yourselves? Are we?
I was got thinking we're as I thought, as up yourselves.

(46:36):
I thought that was a sort of a.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
It means like you're over proud. You're a little bit too.
But I thought yourself, I thought Ireland, like, you know,
you're kind of our kin you know, like Ireland is
a little brother to the UK. We're the little bro
to Australia. Canada is a little bro to the year Whiz.
I thought were meant to be some sort of kinship here,
but apparently not.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Irish blood, New Zealand heart. That's what I'm made of. Yeah,
you know, there's nothing in this world I'm afraid of.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Don't forget the old country.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Brendan, Hey, good, my friends.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
How are you doing, Brandon, good to chat mate?

Speaker 15 (47:10):
Yeah, hey, I work in rental cards and stuff, and
so we deal see a number of international series and
they all have the opinion that these down is a
creat pretty bun truly. But I think that that's because
there's friendliness on the surface, where.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
You say, hey, Brenda, Brendan, sorry to interrupt you, you've
got we've got a really really rubbish line. Are you
on your speaker phone bluetooth on your on your bluetooth. Yeah,
we'll see if them come right, carry on, you got
you go again. It was sounding a bit of their Brandon,
sorry to interrupt you, but you continue.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Yeah, carry on and if it if it goes haywire again,
we'll let you know, Brenda. But so you drive around
tourists as a job, and most of them say we're
pretty friendly.

Speaker 15 (48:00):
Well we read cars to to okay, ye yeah, yeah,
And I think that there's a difference between friendliness. I'm
the surface friendliness.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Nah, there it is, Dinny old bluetooth.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I was loving talking and Brandan as well. We'll try
and get him back.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah. When it's good, it's good. When it's crap, it's crap.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Bluetooth although I did watch I did watch a documentary
on bluetooth. That is incredible technology. I can't believe that
humans have reached the level of futuristicness. And I know
bluetooth has been around for a while. If you look
into it, it's it's an incredible technology.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Who came up with it? Just sorry to sort of,
you know, waylay the topic here, But who came up
with bluetooth? Was it the Nordic countries?

Speaker 2 (48:38):
No? Who came up with I missed that part of it.
I was just going to the tech part of it
and the frequencies and the light spectrum it's on, not
how actually invented. I missed that part, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Sorry, fascinating technology though, Chris, welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (48:54):
Yeah, hey, fellas.

Speaker 16 (48:55):
I wanted to echo the sentiments of most of the
other callers that have run.

Speaker 11 (48:59):
I think your.

Speaker 16 (49:00):
Key with are really nice. We've helped out a stranger,
We've got people's backs. You know, we see people in trouble.
But when it comes to we have the idea of
deeper friendships. I want to pursue.

Speaker 10 (49:11):
Agree.

Speaker 16 (49:11):
Now, from a Keywist point of view, I've noticed moving
from the South Island up to the North Island. Yeah,
you meet people kind of quickly all of that, but
when it comes to even making new friends in New Zealand,
there's a KeyWe it's hard to break into that click.

Speaker 11 (49:26):
You know, it might be a high.

Speaker 16 (49:27):
School click or a Uni clip if you've got to
look at it from the outside, it kind of feels
pretty service level. I've been in my town for about
keen years and still haven't got to the point where
it actually feels like a genuine, genuine friendship or a
ciprople thing.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah, and that high school thing and those that click
thing is I imagine it's a global thing. I said
yesterday that you know, some of my best friends, breast friends,
best friends from high school, my four best mates, we
all went to high school together. So it's actually and
that's a long time ago, so it's hard to crack
that code. You know, you know wherever you're from. So

(50:03):
you're we're in the South Island. Did you move up
from Chris.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah, it from Nelson, right, Yeah. And did you flat
when you moved to the new town or did you
were you're living with a partner at that stage or
by yourself?

Speaker 16 (50:18):
You and I went up with my wife and you
were sort of because you know, through through kindy in school.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
And yeah, yeah, it was that.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
I just say that because I agree with you, Chris
one hundred percent. It is we are a clique bunch,
But that when I've moved to a new city, that
ideally was how I made friends through the flatmate situation
that you're in that living space, You've got shared experience
as you're going out on the town together. It's a
lot harder to do if you're moving with your family, right.

Speaker 16 (50:45):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, it's a lot the university situation
that you made the light. You go through some stickingsin that. Yeah,
when you move somewhere with your family, it's just you
feel like a bit of a weirdo trying to get
it on the actual action, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think one of the good ways to
meet people, and I've met made friends recently over the
years with my kids growing up and being on the
sideline of sports teams. Yeah, because your kid might be
in the same team with an age group for like
five six years, and then you get to meet people
that you wouldn't meet because they're from totally different walks

(51:18):
of life that you wouldn't meet socially and they didn't
go to high school with you, so they're new friends.
But that's a good way. Did you meet anyone on
the sidelines of sports?

Speaker 16 (51:26):
Chris, Look, I found the same thing. You know, maybe
it's my problem, probably the shiky we who doesn't quite
want to say, hey, mate, come over and have a barberie.

Speaker 11 (51:36):
Or let's go on to mission somewhere.

Speaker 16 (51:37):
It's it could be from myself.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Actually, well it's pretty it is. I mean, it is
pretty hard. The older you get, the harder it is
to not feel a bit awkward saying hey, do you
want to go for a beer? Or you know, I
can see you're going with your mates on whatever it is,
a fishing trip or you're going for a hike or
a run. Can I come just that element that you
feel within yourself that it just feels like a little
bit too full on, you know what I mean, That

(52:00):
you're coming on a bit strong and you're going to
be the weirdo. And I think that would be a
feeling that a lot of people would have in New Zealand.
We're trying to make new friends.

Speaker 16 (52:08):
Don't agree with you there.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
It's interesting that thing taking it to the next level.
Because one I thank you for your call, Chris. One
of my great mates. Now one of my best mates
is this guy called Mike for listening might get a
And the reason why we're mates is because we ended
up just coaching at one of our kids cricket teams
co coaches and so spend a bit of time together.
And then one day there was you know, after a

(52:32):
year or so, there was a game cricket on Yep,
I go, oh, I'm going to go and watch the pub.
Do you want to come along?

Speaker 10 (52:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:40):
And so it's like infding someone out on a date.
So do you want to take this co coaching friend
thing to another level? It's gone and have a beer
and watch the cricket together. Did that? Absolutely steamed And
we've been very good mate citizens.

Speaker 10 (52:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Sports a messive part of it, though, isn't it. I
mean even down in christ Church when I moved into
a new flat and it was with a couple of
Brits who had moved here and they joined a football
team and made a good group of friends on that
football team. And I wasn't even part of the team,
but just because I was in the flat, i'd come
along and spectate the football games and be a part
of the crew that way. So the sport is a
massive way to get in. It is a very I mean,

(53:15):
is that a key we think? I think that would
be pretty common around the world.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yeah, I mean, I guess you have to be interested
in the same sport as that. If you come into
a country and they don't play the sport that you're
into and you want your kids can get it could
get pretty complicated.

Speaker 10 (53:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
The worst unfriendly I found were the English, even at
bus stops. I talked to anyone and find out not
to talk back. Yeah, I mean, I tell you what,
one thing when you first moved to England is what
you find quite shocking is shopkeepers. You know, you go
into a shop and that you know, you're used to
New Zealand people go hey, how's it going, And you

(53:50):
go into your first shop in England and they.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
May say nothing.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Very rude friendly at pubs, yeah, rude in retail.

Speaker 14 (53:56):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (53:57):
So what would they so have you walked into the
dairy in the UK and say good morning, so shut
up or they wouldn't even respond.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
I'm not so much talking the dairy, not that they
have they call them the shops there you know you've
spent time there, but no, I just like a retail store. Yeah,
there's just someone behind the counter that's very snooty in
my experience, you know, all right.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Oh, hard to be wrong. Yeah, oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Are we more friendly? Are we?

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Le?

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Sorry? Less friendly than we think we are? According to
a survey, we certainly are. But if you've recently moved
to New Zealand, what has been your experiences of trying
to make friends, getting a little bit deeper than just
the friendly wave in the morning and actually being invited
over for dinner for example?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yeah, that's right. One hundred and eighty ten eighty nine
two nine two.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Good afternoon, twenty five past too, if you've recently moved
to New Zealand, loved to hear from you on how
friendly we are. As kiwis.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
We've been talking about expats because that's how they referred
to in the study, and it found that expats to
Costa Rica found there the most friendly in the world
nine out of ten. New Zealand only two out of
five expats thought that New Zealand as we're friendly, so
I just thought i'd get our normal clatchure down. Expat
is short for expatriate, which refers to a person who
lives outside their native country, often for you know, abroad

(55:22):
for an extended period. Are often permanent right yep. So
immigrant is the same thing. An immigrant is someone who
moves to a new country to live permanently.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Well, there we go. So just another way to say, as.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Opposed to a tourist, you've moved to a country and
you're trying to make a life. Here is what we're
saying when we when we say expat, but immigrant is equal,
the same means the same thing, exactly the same thing.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Okay, if you're an expant or immigrant in New Zealands,
well he would love to hear from you on one
hundred and eighty ten eighty gym your thoughts.

Speaker 14 (55:52):
Oh yeah, just come across the story. As I think
we were, we still are. But I'm a bit shocked
to hear that survey there are two people out of
every five. I think that that was quite quite shocked,
because you know, growing up in New Zealand with immigrant parents,
I've found quite the opposite because story come a light recently.

(56:13):
My parents in law, my lovely mother in law, they
were fifty six refugees from Hungary. They were in a
comin with heir of nothing but the shoes on their feet.
They were in a refugee camp and mungry. And there's
a special interest story because they decided to get married.
This would have been the summer of fifty seven, and
basically they were just unundated with gifts and wedding dress

(56:35):
and everything like that, which I thought was pretty awesome.
Poor oh there's has had two strokes.

Speaker 11 (56:40):
He's ninety five.

Speaker 14 (56:41):
She's gone to a care home. But you show her
the picture of that and she'll tell you all about
the story. But she's got that five minute dementia thing,
which I think is pretty awten. I will remember when
I was a kid with our neighbors in the sixties,
Like my father was away with business equipment and he'd
go and train in East Germany. My mother was having me.
Our neighbors took my mum to hospital when she was

(57:03):
having me because we didn't have we didn't have a
car back and then so you know, like here, I
think at the as we are and who's who's who.
You're lucky enough to have a neighbor. But generally, I
think people, you know, I like to return the help.
I think generally people and I've sort of needed help
a few times, and yeah, I think generally people are
pretty friendly, especially when you sort of go go, you know,

(57:24):
to another town. I was at South South Island one time,
where you're from us Auckland. I welcome to New Zealand,
they said, so I love you.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. Jim. Have you been
you know, you're so your Hungarian heritage. Have you been
back to Hungary?

Speaker 14 (57:43):
I know that's my that's my wife. Yeah, that was
your wife, my mum, but she's my mom mate.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
See, so we used to be a lot friendlier, Jim.
Do you agree with the that we we can be
friendly on the surface level, but then when you try
and make new friends or form those connections, then it
gets about hearted.

Speaker 14 (58:03):
Totally, totally, totally agree with that. Having a lot of
close friends passed that. I want to grew up with them.
We went to school. I'm only just in my early sixties. Yeah,
hard to make new friends, you know, with clicks and
groups and stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chim you're a good man. Thanks for
giving us a buzz.

Speaker 14 (58:19):
Thank you very much for lunch time.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Yep, all right mate, you go well, thank you mate.
So fear point he makes that. You know that idea
of New Zealand being a very friendly place probably originated
a few decades ago, right that we're a fairly young country.
We were a country with a lot of immigrant slash

(58:41):
experts here and so we kind of had to be friendly.
Everybody was effectively in the same boat. But whether that's
changed as we get into a more modern society.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Are you still friendly?

Speaker 10 (58:52):
Tyler?

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Sometimes this business is Matt Somerset, UK walking to pub
barman says, we'll be on my lover where you bid.
I loved it, stayed nearly two years, felt right at home.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Oh that's nice.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, maybe I'm just talking about so Ho in London
where I was.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
That sounds like an unfriendly place.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Where I was working, it was probably some kind of
hipster place. I've unfairly tarneghed the people of the entirety
of the UK on the back of about three shopkeepers
being rude to me over for a few years.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Sure it just wasn't you. They looked at you walking
through the door and think, oh man, he's Matt Heath again.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Well, you know everyone knows over there when you go
up to ask someone for a pin to write something,
they're like a pin, a pin and then they try
and hand you like a pin that you might sow with.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Well they all carry pins around today.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
No, no, but they think that's what you're asking for,
a pin. Pin anyway, it's not their fault.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Not their fault. Oh eight hundred a eighty is the
number to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
It is bang on two thirty headlines coming up.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Actually, just before we go, there was there was something
that used to always be at avertel in New Zealanders
over in London. This text says bring this up worked
in London five am bus. Very everybody said good morning
as people got on tom. But you used to hear
thank you driver from this is back when I was
in you in the early two thousands. Over there, you'd
often hear a key we getting off the bus because
you know, you know, we thank bus drivers and you'd

(01:00:18):
hear thank you driver. You go, that's New Zealand. Yeah,
this new Zilla that just got off the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
That's a lovely thing. About new ze Thank you driver,
Thank you driver. Right headlines with Raylene coming up.

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News Talk said.

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Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we have asked the
question are we as friendly as we think we are
on the back of a survey that says we're quite
a middle of the pack when compared with other countries,
right at the top in terms of the friendliest Costa Rica,
Mexico and the Philippines and the top three.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
This on my saying that some retail staff in London
are very friendly, and I was probably talking about people,
and so I hope anyway, if you walk into a
show up and parnalysis this text you could get a
frosty reception, walk into a pub and hawker Ticka, they
will talk to you like they've known you for twenty years.
That's so yes, so very very true. Yeah, great people

(01:02:20):
the coasters absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to cool.
Love to hear from you on this Nine two ninety
two is the text number.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Are you an expat or an immigrant to New Zealand
and have you found us friendly? According to the study,
We're not that friendly. I'm an Indian immigrant moved here
in two thousand and nine as a nineteen year old.
I have been in many countries and accuding of the US, Canada, Germany, France,
Middle Eastern countries, Asian countries and Pacific countries, but I
feel Kiwi's are the friendliest and nice of all. Go
Kiwi night. Of course there are some knobs, but overall

(01:02:50):
he's in it as a best Yeah. I mean, wherever
you go, there's going to be some knobs.

Speaker 7 (01:02:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Yeah, you know, there's going to be a holes in
your life, whether the key with your otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Brandon, you're back and it sounds like you've got a
beautiful line now.

Speaker 11 (01:03:03):
Mate.

Speaker 15 (01:03:03):
You know, twenty first century you can still find lots
for yourself in the middle, like you dragging down the stay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Oh exactly, it's still a little bit scratchy, Brenda, but
we'll get our fingers crossed. So when you left us,
you're part of a rental car company which obviously rents
cars out to a lot of tourists, and they say
that we're a somewhat friendly bunch.

Speaker 15 (01:03:23):
Yeah, we're generally say we're very friendly bunch.

Speaker 11 (01:03:26):
But then you know, that's.

Speaker 15 (01:03:27):
When you're doing customer service and being friendly in customer service,
the golden rule, being unfriendly in customer services is a
very negative experience, right yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:03:39):
But I mean I'm old enough.

Speaker 15 (01:03:40):
And I remember when we lived at Aldie for a
while and before down and Hamilton and Co. And do
the extent neighbors that come o with them a parties
and stuff. You just don't see that these days because
everybody's too busy. There's different cultures. I think that's that's
changed a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:03:59):
So I think that.

Speaker 15 (01:04:00):
Things can change with time.

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
And you know, I do try.

Speaker 15 (01:04:04):
And get to know my neighbors as as much as
I can, because lot that I can help them out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, from time, life.

Speaker 15 (01:04:11):
Along and very hard to deal look, because they do
come from very to be consciously, and I think that
has been a very big change. But you know, I
was a bit of try to hear the sweet were
considering untrending because I was about ten years ago. But
they was a friendly a bunch and then I realized
maybe it must come yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's very different from being a tourist.
And as you say, Ben, the next next level is
the hard thing. Very easy to be friendly to a tourist,
inviting them around for dinner as a total you know,
someone that's moved to your neighborhood and in' viting around
for dinner dinner. That's a whole other level of friendly.

Speaker 10 (01:04:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:04:48):
I just wish more people would approach everybody else around
with a more trending attitude, because being friendly doesn't trust
you anything. Being hostile as the cost of your own
personal silent stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yeah, yeah, good point.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
And that is a good point about the you know,
the old neighborhood community. Yeah, and I hope I'm not
looking back with into glasses here. Maybe I am a
little bit, but it's certainly changed. When I was a kid,
you didn't know the neighbors, and we all kind of,
you know, they had kids the same age as us,
and we went to the same school, and everybody kind
of knew each other, and you knew that was the
Wilson household and that was the Adam's household.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
But nowadays, I don't know if that's still true. I
just realized you're from the Adams family. We ever picked
on for.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
That took you that long to realize? Great show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:05:38):
Hard.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
It's a funny thing, you know. It's Ben and says,
we don't have that much time anymore. We have less
time than we used to do. We've got all this
technology and we have less time. Our country has low
productivity weights, but we're working really long hours. Yeah, So
it used to seem or it seems like any to
talk about rose colored spectacles into the past. But it
did seem like people got home at five and there

(01:05:59):
was barbecues and the neighbors were coming over, and people
were playing cricket and the cold a sack and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Kids are out on the bike riding around.

Speaker 11 (01:06:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
But yeah, I mean that does seem to have sort
of disappeared a little bit. As I was talking before,
when me and my neighbor came across that person that
had unconscious, unconscious on the road and ran Saint John's.
Everyone from the neighborhood came out and was standing around him.
You know, lucky he was unconscious. It would be very awkward,
you know. When I got him a pillow, someone else
got him a blanket. We're all standing around talking and

(01:06:27):
we got to know each other around this, and then
we were going, let's have a barbecue, Let's have a
street barbecue. Let's let's you know, we're all talking big
about it, and we'll do that next week.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
It's going to have it. Are your penciled then?

Speaker 7 (01:06:38):
I know?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
But even when you seed you knocked on the door
of your neighbor to try and find a gold coin incident.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I think that's nice.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
That's the New zeal And that I used to laugh
so much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Yeah, but I should. I should, that lovely thing. We
were all standing around the sunconscious guy who was bleeding
from his head waiting for Saint John's and we bonded.
You know, we should because there's people from all different
countries that live in the area. We have a barbecue
get together.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Who's got the best barbecue?

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
You got a whipper, I've got a zilgear and yeah,
what's it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
You know you don't want to have it at your place, though,
do you, because it's a lot of Edmond. If it's
on somebody else's place, have it on the street, mate,
there you go. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call if you have moved
to New Zealand. You're an immigrant here. I love to
hear from you. How friendly are we as Kiwi's in
nine two ninety two is the text number. We'll get
to some of those ticks very shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
It is twenty to three, Ziegler and Brown. That's what
I've got. Nice good barbie. Ye, it's a very good barbie.
But no, we'll do it someone else else.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Have a chat with the lads on eighty ten eighty
Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety Tick
every box, a seamless experience of weeds news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Said, be good afternoon. It is seventeen to three, and
we're talking about how friendly we are as Kiwi's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
I'm pretty friendly. Some ex pats, immigrants to our country. Yeah,
live near me, neighbors. They came running around the other day.
Ye asked me to go to the house and killor
mouse for them because they were scared. Did you do it?

Speaker 9 (01:08:02):
I did?

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Wow? Actually I went around and got it in a
tupway container and released it into the wild, did ye?
But I say them from a rodent, Well, God, that's
pretty friendly for me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
That is very friendly. There's very neighborly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Hi, Mett and Tyler. I'm an ex South Africa now
living in New Zealand for six years. Having done my
citizen ceremony for New Zealand citizens, I'm definitely I can
definitely tell you it is extremely difficult to make friends
with Kiwi's as I've tried to integrate and nothing works.
So my only mates in New Zealand are South Africans
and British people. Cheers from Christa. That's interesting because a

(01:08:33):
lot of people talk about when they move to other countries,
like if you were a New Zealander and you move
to Britain, you often end up just banging around with Australians,
New Zealanders and South Africa the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Old pub crawl. Yeah, Carl, well, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:08:49):
Good?

Speaker 17 (01:08:49):
There flushing your eyes on the way.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
To very good. Now your phone line is a little
bit crekically, Carl Well, but will persevere? Actually? Is there
any change? You can come off the speakerphone. Yeah, yeah,
what we'll do, We'll come We'll come back to you,
car Well, because we want to hear what you've got
to say. So we'll just get your da, have a
chat with Andrew and get you off that speaker phone.
But let's have a check to Simon. How are you good?

Speaker 7 (01:09:14):
Thanks? Guys, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Yeah good? What do you think about the friendliness of
New Zealanders?

Speaker 18 (01:09:20):
Well, I still think in general we're really friendly people.
But my entire working life, I've been frontline customer service,
and the last sixteen years i've been in the aviation industry.
I'm that guy that will meet you at the door
of the aircraft with a big smile and I say
welcome on board and all of that. But what I've noticed,
I'm just wondering if anyone else has had this opinion.

(01:09:42):
I think post COVID, certainly the younger generations in this
country have so much less patient and so much more
entitlement than they ever used to. And I think that personally,
I think that has contributed to perhaps a lot of friendliness,
sort of a perception of friendliness people because honestly, you know,

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you ask someone the smallest thing, I'm going to need
you to move that very small bag from the locker
above your head. We need to accommodate the bigger bags,
and honestly, it's like you've given them the worst in thought.
You could have no understanding, there's no patience, and I
just I'm just wondering how much of what everyone quote
unquote went through during the lockdowns and everything has contributed

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to their feeling of entitlement that it just isn't this
patient or general social nicety that there used to be
prior to COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Well, there's one thing for sure, Simon, it will I
won't have had no effect at all. It all have
had some effect. And look, I think I think you're right.
I think people are a little bit more testy on
planes than they used to be. I've noticed that. And
it's risky because if you fire up, you're going to
be internationally shamed on TikTok pretty pretty quickly if you

(01:10:54):
do it. But I think there's also just a lowering
in people's attention spans in general. And you know, they
talk about the TikTok generation, the you know, one minute videos,
and you know, people's a teen ancient span has dropped
a I think of the last major study I read
is forty seven seconds that people can spin concentrating on
one thing now on average, and that's absolutely pathetic. So

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something like trying to deal with the complexities of getting
on a plane and putting your bag and the overhead
locker that takes more than forty seven seconds, they get frustrated,
and that's not good. That's not good at all.

Speaker 18 (01:11:31):
But I think it's sort of more across the board
as well. It's not just obviously my industry. Just you know,
a while back, I was in a I was getting
some fast food, to be honest, and the person I
on account is going to be more than twenty. I
think it just sort of comes back to this MEBB generation.
They were chewing gum, they were disinterested, looked completely bored.

(01:11:52):
I asked the question about the menu, I just got yeah,
And I don't know, I just had I had a
care and moment and I don't think to the manager
because I just wasn't happy, because because I possibly speak
to your manager please, And this person in front of
me rolled their eyes so far back in there, and
I kid you not. As they crossed the restaurants or

(01:12:15):
to go and get the manager, they put their phone
out and with the tiktoking or whatever on their phone
the manager. Yeah, that attitude would not have been there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Well, you can you imagine trying to do a clock
like a retail job, you know, And I've done them
for many years and I used to get bored clock watching.
But I would have had a much larger attention span
due to my incredibly boring upbringing on a farm as
opposed to these people like, as you say, that's so sad,
so they're going across the room and pick up the phone.
That's just pure addiction at that point, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah,

(01:12:51):
good on assigmon. But you know, as a professionally friendly person,
you probably take specific umbrage to someone being.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
That rude calls you when you walk into a store
and you're very friendly, high, how's your day going, and
you get you know, nothing back from whoever's behind the counter.
And I've got a lot of sympathy for those that
work in retail, but that and I think we've got
Kyle Well beack.

Speaker 19 (01:13:13):
It is fair.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Oh beautiful line. Now, Kyle Well, thank you for cooling back.

Speaker 14 (01:13:18):
No rights.

Speaker 19 (01:13:18):
And so the Keywis are super friendly. What I think
of being in New Zealand in twenty eighty and the
first thing was happened to me, like the common lover
is cricket, and I started playing cricket for Wakata Cricket Club.
I was playing in second grade and we called that
team the World's eleven because it wasn't only me, it

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was a few Kiwis, Hawsey, Sot, African guys, Indiana Pakistani
in there. So it was everybody around the world playing
for that same team.

Speaker 10 (01:13:47):
Love it.

Speaker 19 (01:13:48):
Yeah, And it's not like they were welcoming, like even
they created the two group teams for the same club, like, yep,
we got more numbers in so we are like expanding
the things. It's not like, oh no, we afuremate, you
can go look somewhere else. They were pretty welcoming all
the way.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
That's awesome, and it's great that you could bond over
that she'd love of a game in the competition and
and that team. Have you met friends that you know
you you'd go out for dinner with or go around
to their house.

Speaker 19 (01:14:19):
Yeah, yeah, it was our captain Mark Gill. So it
was one of awesome guys. I worked with him. I
work at Corey Person early morning stuff and he worked
there too. It's pretty awesome guy even there. The coach
of the other guys like around the club. Uh, Dusty
is the guy who's always keen training the kids, getting

(01:14:39):
the best of them, or he is super awesome Dusty.
Did you say we call him nicknam Dusty?

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Yeah, he seems like a good, good sort. Why do
you call him Dusty? Oh?

Speaker 19 (01:14:51):
It was like he just like whatever the thing I
bought him. If he is like pretty keen on hitting me,
he can just make a dust off me, Like anyway
he wants to hit me. After drink, I was like
pretty good with the guys up there. Even I moved
back to timor will stand there for one and a

(01:15:12):
half year, played cricket there, but like it's a cricket
which gets me with the guys up there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
That's you know, a great link that India and New
Zealand has combined love of cricket. You know, hence Christopher
Luxon taking Ross Taylor over there for you know, to
as he's trying to get the free trade deal going,
because you know we share those ties. So you know,
that was great that you got to come here and
play cricket and meet a bunch of people. That's an
awesome story. There is a bunch of techs saying the opposite.

(01:15:41):
It's great if you're into sport, you can meet people.
But if you're not a very sporty guy, then you
have trouble. And this is people that have come to
New Zealand and people that have gone overseas and struggled
to get into the community. I mean, if you say
move to the United States of America and you just,
you know, would you enroll your kid in a sport
you didn't know anything about baseball or American football? I

(01:16:05):
mean basketball, you get in there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Yeah, some people that's easy, but they say, I Americans
very friendly people. I suppose it depends on what state
you go to, but that clearly is something that they
get behind, right, that community feel. Whether it's your kids
sport or whether it's Halloween or barbecues round at your
neighbor's house, they are very good at that. You've got
to say, yeah, well, yeah in some states.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
I've got a couple of Americans that ex pets living
in New Zealand that have to become good friends with me. Yep,
since they've moved over here. So you know, we're I'm
pretty friendly to them as well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
They love a barbecue.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
They don't Okay, well, I don't know, you can get
them around. I'm trying to teach them about cricket. That's challenging.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Oh yeah, that's tough of it.

Speaker 7 (01:16:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is and umber
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Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
You were saying before the you believe Tyler that back
in the day people were more neighbor league and running
around in some kind of utopia. We had curse roles
at each other's houses, barbecues, play cricket in the Cult
of sact was beautiful. This Texas is everyone moves, moves
as house prices go up. Old days, you'd buy a
house and staff for ten years. That's true. People are
way more mobile in their houses used to be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
People get married and that's my house until it's over.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Yeah, spot on. You know when I was a kids
that the parents would be in that house for ten
years and there'll be other couples of a similar age
in the house for ten years as well as the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
On and he says, I moved to New Zealand fifteen
years ago after meeting and marrying a Kei we go
in London. Only close friends I have are mostly other expacts.
Only kiwi friend I have is someone who also moved
around a lot. Yeah, right, this Texas here, everyone seems
just a little bit angry since COVID. Yeah I agree
with that, Yeah, I do. Everyone just seems a little
bit more angry than.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
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With the Volvo XC eighty on News Talk SEV Good Afternoon,
welcome back into the show. Now, Mat I've got to
call you up on something there. You've got your we
we milkshake situation going. Yeah, that you had your mic on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
That was bad. Sorry, Raylean, Yeah, sorry, Raylean. Raylen heard
that I was shaking up my man shake. Then I
forgot the micro was on. So it was very rude
to do that during the news. But you know this,
you know I've been accused of making a mess in
the studio. Yeah on on Man Tyler afternoons by often
by the breakfast host on this channel.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
How dare he?

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
I can't make too much of a mess with the
man shake.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
What does a man shake?

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
A man shake? It's it's like a protein protein in
vitamin shake and everything you need instead of eating food,
I'm having the man shake. And look how buff I'm
getting pretty buff?

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
A you're starting to trim down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Get pretty buff? There is that your lunch?

Speaker 10 (01:19:56):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (01:19:57):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
It's a little man shake. You've changed, man, You've changed,
but highly unprofessional. So apologies to to Raylean Ramsey.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Yeah yeah, but are you going to touch the man
shake tomorrow?

Speaker 7 (01:20:08):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
No, I can't more man shakeman all on the man shake, right,
now this is going to be a good hour as
it was last time he was on the show. Mark
Vitti is a world renowned animal behaviorist, dog trainer, and
educator who has been working with animals for over forty years.
He's a trained animal psychologist and created the Dogs In
online training program. He's about to launch Cats In and

(01:20:32):
joins us once again on the program. Mark, very good
afternoon to you.

Speaker 7 (01:20:36):
Yeah, okay, Matte, Tyler, how are you very good?

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
How's the cats in coming along? I know that that's
been a work in progress for some time.

Speaker 7 (01:20:43):
Just finished it last week. Hands it in all done,
fantas very happy, gets in the gentle cat teachers to
have a raisor cat that doesn't hunt.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Okay, and when when's that out? If Tyler didn't say,
did you say it?

Speaker 7 (01:21:00):
Stember?

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
September?

Speaker 7 (01:21:01):
September is the ju date apparently so real stop looking
forward to that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Real stocking stuff for that one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
Absolutely fantastic, right, Mark. So, as we mentioned numerous times,
it was you were so popular last time that we
had to extend it out a bit. And already the
phone lines have lit up, in the texts have come in,
so we'll get into it straight away. If that's okay
with you, excellent, It's all good.

Speaker 7 (01:21:24):
I'll do it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Yeah, have you got a problem with your dog or
cat or whatever pet and its behavior? Give us a
ring o E one hundred eighty ten eighty. Allen, welcome
the show?

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Is that me?

Speaker 17 (01:21:42):
It's Adam?

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Ah Okay, sorry, you're in the system as Allan, but
I we'll call you Adam from now on. Adam, you're
you've got a problem with your dog? Dog running away
from Mark to address?

Speaker 17 (01:21:53):
Yeah, okay, Mark, Hey, we've got an ass about at
the moment, she's five did she just won't stop running
away like We literally have to lock every window, every
door if we go out, and if we don't, she
will find a way out. She squeezed through a window.

(01:22:14):
That's you know how. It's got the the latches on
so you can't push it out too far. She squeezed
through that. If we leave her out in the backyard,
she will dig her way out. We run her daily,
We take her on sniff walk to try and stimulate her.
She's my wife is working from home, so she's got
company there if my wife goes out, she will try

(01:22:35):
and get out. We just don't blem and know what
to do. And we we live in an area in
South auklandhe there's a lot of straight dogs around, but
we see them walking around and they end end up
going home usually. But our dog will go and not
come back at all.

Speaker 7 (01:22:51):
So does she self the separation distress? Does she get
anxious and wine and howl and get distressed when when
you go? Is that the problem?

Speaker 20 (01:23:03):
Not at all?

Speaker 17 (01:23:04):
Not at all, And she doesn't know it from home either.
So when we got her as a pup, she was
what fourteen weeks, so I mean not.

Speaker 7 (01:23:12):
Too young, no, no, yeah, it's nice. It's nice to
get them in eight weeks. But that's all right. So
I mean, there's no trouble with her bond with you
by the sounds of it, so she's obviously very attached.
But yeah, I mean, basically, it'll come down to environmental
management with a situation. If it's not separation distress, which
is the common cause of that, you know when they

(01:23:35):
try and escape when you head out, then and it's
environmental management. And the good thing about environmental management you
can normally set it up so it's safe, but you're right.
If she's literally squeezing through and breaking through things, it
does make it difficult. There are things called a sonic
boundary which can teach them to stay within a boundary,

(01:23:55):
and so that's kind of a tool that you can
use for those dogs that are just really challenging in
those situations and that might be where you need to
go to keep her and it certainly it works, but
it's he's got to decide whether that's the way you
want to go. It's called a sonic boundary, and there's
a number of different companies that make them. So have

(01:24:16):
a go at that.

Speaker 17 (01:24:17):
Yeah, ok, yeah, chance that I appreciate that. We'll give
there to go.

Speaker 16 (01:24:21):
So you reckon.

Speaker 17 (01:24:22):
There's nothing mentally or anything like that wrong with.

Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
It, is just she's not suffering separation distress. Yeah, she's
just an escape artist. I mean she's obviously learned to
get out. Once they get out and they start getting
out there, they learn to become who denis. You know,
they start to really challenge the system once they get out,
and then you kind of jig it up a little
bit and then they think, oh, I can try harder,
and they do when they get out. Then they start

(01:24:46):
getting better at it, which is what's going on there.
So sonic boundary might be the story for you all the.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Best that thanks very much for giving us a buzz
and having a chet to mark. So just on those
sonic boundaries, how does that work? I take it it's
the collar based system and there get away vibration if
they get too close to it. As that help.

Speaker 7 (01:25:03):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it gives you learn They learn
by setting up a bound and as they approach, the
boundary gives a warning tone about a meter out, and
then if they go close, it gives a little static
correction and very quickly they learn don't don't go near that. Yeah,
and then you can set the boundary up right around

(01:25:24):
your fence line and anywhere else you know that you want.
You can do acres of land if you want to.
Very some people don't like using them, but they are
an option for those dogs that are going to get
run over or cause trouble out and about.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Yeah, great, I've got I've got a question for you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Jump in there. We've got full lines. But I'm going
to use this the advantage I have and controlling the mic.
When my dog Colin when I leave the house right
and he has that really sad look on his face
because you're leaving, and he sits down, he locks and
it's sad. Is that actual sadness or is it just
got he's got a sad face? And b How much

(01:26:04):
anguish does he go through in the time that we're away?

Speaker 10 (01:26:07):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Is it the whole time he's feeling that that way
he's looking or does he get over it and just
go and have a sleep and run around and do
his stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:26:17):
Yeah, well, there's there's two aspects that I mean, basically,
dogs do we now know, feel emotions just like we do,
and that you know, they're not necessarily exactly you know,
we answer Morphis and say they're you know, they're the
same as ours. They're not necessarily exactly the same. But
of course dogs are highly social and get highly attached
to the owners. The more over attached the dog gets,

(01:26:39):
the more it's prone to separations to stress. So the
ones who suffer separations of stress owl and bark and
destroy and toilet and do all different things while you're
away are the more serious cases. Then you know that
they're suffering real anxiety in those situations. But I'll tell
you what. There's one really cool tool that helps both
you and the dog to resolve that issue. One of

(01:27:02):
the mats is called a pet cube, and there's fur Cam.
There's a number of differentes. It's a little unit that
distributes a food reward automatically from just a single food
reward from the unit. You've got a app on your phone.
You can talk to the dog, you can watch the dog,
you can listen to the dog, and you can you
can reward it for doing appropriate behaviors. So what I

(01:27:22):
do is when I when I'm home, I set this
little unit up beside the bed somewhere or somewhere that
suits you, and then I call the dog over to it,
and then I click and or it yes, and I
food reward it for just sitting in front of the
little unit and tell them to lie down, tell them
to do a couple of things. What I'm doing is
I'm engaging and physically and with a reward, and so

(01:27:46):
I'm rewarding them for engaging with me without being anxious
when I'm there. And then I slowly start doing it
just a little bit out of the way. I go
out the backyard and do it. Then I start driving away,
and then I've got the system that I can communicate,
relate to them, check up on them, make sure things
are going well, and reward them for doing appropriate that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
What's that? What's that? What's it called?

Speaker 7 (01:28:06):
It's called a pet cube? Is one of them?

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
I might check that out. My son had this horrific
idea that he that he said to me once a
couple of weeks ago when we were walking our dog
along the beach. He goes because when we leave the
house with them, we take him to the beach. He
must be at home thinking that every time we leave
the house that we're going to we're going to the
beach without it. Because he doesn't know that we go
to work, in school and all the things we did.

Speaker 7 (01:28:30):
Yeah, exactly, but well you'll be surprised. He doesn't know
where you go and based on what you do. Oh
that's true. Yeah, you let your togs and your tael
then he knows a smart creatures.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Mark, This is great. We've got plenty of calls to
get to, so just told there, will play some messages
and come back to with more of your phone calls
and questions for Mark Vidio eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call sixteen past three. It
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renowned and animal behaviorists, taking your calls and questions on

(01:29:01):
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Catherine, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
I'm good?

Speaker 14 (01:29:07):
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Mark is standing by you.

Speaker 10 (01:29:10):
Go for it?

Speaker 21 (01:29:11):
Hey, git so much shy Mark. Hey, We've got a
gorgeous new rescue puppy. He's about four and a half
months old now and obviously has had a harder start to.

Speaker 6 (01:29:24):
Life than all all animals.

Speaker 21 (01:29:27):
And he's very very attached, very quickly. So I literally
go to the litter box and it's like I've left
him for a year, and jumps and cries and he is,
you know, quite genuinely upsets. But I've literally been gone
for thirty seconds. Is there anything I can do to

(01:29:49):
help him with their?

Speaker 7 (01:29:51):
Yeah? Definitely, definitely. So you heard me, might have heard
me just on the previous call. I think that the
previous one may have been separated distress, but it didn't
sound like that was. But this is so and it's
very natural for dogs, and particularly so with rescue dogs
because of course they come out of a tough situation
often and once they get that forever owner, you know,

(01:30:13):
got their paws wrapped around that forever owner there, they
ain't going.

Speaker 11 (01:30:15):
To let go.

Speaker 7 (01:30:16):
And so there's a bit of you know, extra attachment
happens when the dogs had a tough start. That's not unusual. Now,
by what age was was he when you got him?

Speaker 21 (01:30:27):
We've had him for seven weeks.

Speaker 7 (01:30:29):
Now, yeah, okay, yeah, so he was Yeah, so it's
just over two two and a half months when you
got him something like that. Was he maybe three months? Yeah,
so look slightly late, you know, because the formative period
is three to sixteen weeks, you know, so that's the time.
By four months their socialization it closes down a little bit.

(01:30:50):
But clearly he's quite social, so that's good. But separation
distress is an over attachment issue. And you can always
jump on. I've got a discount fifty percent discount on
dogs in dot com just dogs in in fifty Jump
on and look at the video that I call graduated
departure for separation to stress. And that's what you need

(01:31:11):
to do. And you heard me just talk about that
tool also that I was just talking about the pet cube.
That's another tool that's really useful. For separation to stress.
So you can grab those quite easily, and that's the
one that delivers the food reward. You can talk through
your cam, your phone to the dog, listen to it,

(01:31:31):
and so on. But what the beauty of it is
is you can use that to do the graduated departure.
Graduated departures where you're teaching it to stay separated from
you for very short periods of time, and you go
back and click and reward it, and then you move
away for longer, come back and click and reward it
for staying calm. And so you're teaching it to stay
calm while you're there still, but you're just out in
the back or moving into another room. And so you

(01:31:53):
get that graduation where they get to learn to stay
non anxious while you're separated. And then you increase the time,
you know, and so it's a systematic process of desensitization.
So it's an easy thing to do, but it does
take any effort. And the sooner you do it, and
even that you know, we don't do. If you do
it before you need to, that's even better. But here
we are, so now we need to do that. And

(01:32:15):
as I said, add in the pet cuban that really
speeds the process up.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Ye, great question, Thank you very much, Catherine. Just on
the rescue versus a pure breed or a dog that
you buy, is it true, Mark that you know a
lot of people say rescue puppies or animals tend to
have a bit more psychological problems. Is that true or
is that hyped up a little bit much.

Speaker 7 (01:32:37):
They certainly can have. But the beauty of getting a
puppy a rescue puppy, it's it's easy to get a
rescue puppy than a rescue adult to be bunted, because
the rescue adults often do come with a bit of baggage.
At the same time. You know, I've trained and remember
our previous TV shows where we rescued many, many different dogs,

(01:32:59):
and they're all doable. It's just takes a bit more effort.
But if you can get a rescue puppy, that's even
better because as long as it's not too late into
their socialization period. So if you get it ideally before
three months, or certainly by three months, then you're pretty
well going to be fine. You just need to get
stuck in a bit more seriously in that first month.

(01:33:20):
But I like to do that two to four month period.
If I can get that period and get a pup
on that time, I can create what I'm going to
have for life. A really great part. That's the time
when the eighty percent of the brain wise up, and
that's when you really want to be doing your stuff
and doing the right stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
So this pet cube thing where you'd be sitting there
firing off treats and talking to your pet when you're
out of the house, you can go to another step
if you want to go fully crazy, and you get
these robots, these pet robots that you can talk out
of it, and can drop food out of it, and
you can chase it around the house and be a
friend to your dog while you're at work. But I

(01:33:59):
know how much your boss would like that. Yeah, I
don't know how much you'd boss would like that you're
just running this remote control robot and entertaining your dog
the whole day when you're at work.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
They're going to have to deal with that whether you go.

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It's it's more. It's a mere four hundred and sixty
nine to ninety nine. If you want that, if you
want to chase you, yeah, chase your cattle dog around
the house, a little robot.

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I'll put that on the mortgage.

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Yea us fure some food in it?

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Speaker 7 (01:35:00):
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Afternoon? Good?

Speaker 7 (01:35:29):
Thank you?

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Speaker 11 (01:35:32):
I have a eleven year old rescue dog MCS freed,
one of the breeds being a hunter away and he
gets a little bit vocal when he gets excited, specifically
going to the beach, and when people arrive at home,
he likes to obviously greet them and then run inside
buck his head off to let us know that someone's right.

(01:35:55):
So really just trying to get see the boys under
control without to be honest, I'm not really keen on
the bark follows or anything like that. Is there anything
else look at?

Speaker 7 (01:36:05):
Yeah? There is, Yeah, there is. There's training, and at
eleven years old it takes a little bit of extra work.
He's underway. Of course, they have a great voice. They
like to talk so and that's all normal. But it's
very easy to click and train them to a quiet command.
And you can always jump on the school and follow
the quiet video where I teach you a quiet command.

(01:36:28):
But basically this is the basics of it, so it's
pretty simple. Get yourself a clicker and a pouch and
we set them up and normally I set them up
on a clip station which is a short, short lead,
and work them on the lead, and I'm just so
I get them speaking, and oftentimes for a hunter way,
I'll teach them to speak and then to be quiet,

(01:36:48):
which means he learns to bark and be quiet, so
he learns what quiet means in relation to barking. So
there is a slight risk in some of them where
they get a bit too vocal when you're get them
to speak, and they love that. But at the end
of the day then you're just focusing on the quiet.
But we click and reward them for a quiet for
ten seconds and then seconds and then thirty seconds, and

(01:37:10):
we teach him to delay. That delay is barking for
that reward, and by the time you get to a
minute or two, you've got your quiet command on and
then you're start working on into those situations where he's
doing it, because obviously he's doing it in high arousal
situations beach and visitors coming. So start out of that context.
Always start in a simple context. Once you've got the

(01:37:32):
command on him, then start working on lead into that
situation and as I said, the video shows you exactly
how to do it, and you're also using a check
lead just to stop him if he gets really vocal,
and then click them rewarding him, and it's called contrast training,
and it teaches him to be quiet normally. Within a
couple of days, you can get that sort of.

Speaker 11 (01:37:52):
Yeah, I don't go. Definitely have a look at the online.

Speaker 7 (01:37:57):
Yeah. Yeah, if you jump on at the moment, you
can get dogs in fifty You get a fifty per
cent diskin on that first month. It's just on a
monthly basis. So you just jump on and just learn
how to do it, and then jump both and you're
all good.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
A horrific thing I witnessed was the neighbors of my
grandmother who had three cor geese and they barked a lot,
and then one day she got their voice boxes remote
and then constantly you had these corgy's going this is
concept sound. It was horrific.

Speaker 7 (01:38:32):
Would have been get your dogs, d bag, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
Is that something that people can still do?

Speaker 14 (01:38:39):
Mark?

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Is that still?

Speaker 7 (01:38:40):
Yeah? I'm trying to think whether we've we've stopped most
of those kind of operations. I must just check with
de Baking so as I'm aware it's it's not recommended.
Certainly it was a horror show.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Yeah, those three, those three Corgis were a horror shown.

Speaker 7 (01:38:56):
That is horrific, not pretty sound. Is that it's worse
than the back?

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
I was just talking before about the horror show of
the three corgies that lived next to my grandmother that
had their they were devocalized, they had their barking. Yeah,
I guess the voiceboxes removed from them. I was so
excited to see because I said, love those corgies. I'd
run out and bark at me. One day I turned
up and was I've just looked that. Surgical procedures that

(01:41:16):
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nineteen ninety nine and can only be performed in the
interests of the animals include debarking a dog, decloring a cat,
and docking the tail of a horse. So you can't
debark your dog just because it's annoying you. It has
to be for the welfare of the animal.

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Speaker 22 (01:41:45):
Yeah, how you going? Hey, look a bit of a
full help. So I'll start from the beginning and got
a cat eleven and a half years old. My son
is eight years old, just turned eight. The next household
member was a pincer cross Foxy Jesse, she's just turned three.

(01:42:05):
Then we reheals a toy k boodle just over a
year ago. Who is about mister here she'll be turning for.

Speaker 20 (01:42:15):
Then it's for Convert.

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
Found a kissen just before Christmas, so we've now got
a kissing as well. It's been a heck of a story.
The old girl cat, she hated everyone that came into
the house. She now gets a little fairly well with
everyone and has actually become a bit more social. Jesse

(01:42:38):
the three year old mini Pizer cross Foxy. She hasn't
been fixed, so she's the only one that hasn't been fixed.
We were originally going to try and find a breeding
partner forloy her, but we've.

Speaker 18 (01:42:50):
Sort of changed sort of plans and now going to look.

Speaker 17 (01:42:52):
Towards fixing her.

Speaker 6 (01:42:54):
But she has grown a bit of an attitude of
being the boss in the house and can be quite
aggressive towards the other girls, like not to a point
that I'm overly worried, but I don't want it to
keep manifesting, if that makes sense.

Speaker 7 (01:43:12):
Yeah, she's forwarded, you say, and three, Yeah, and she
she comeing to Still she's still entire. Does she get
worse when she comes into heat.

Speaker 17 (01:43:26):
Yes, yes, she does get a little bit worse when
she comes into heat.

Speaker 7 (01:43:29):
Yeah, dexing could could make a difference because the estern
hormone you know that obviously peaks when they're going through stress,
when they go through heat, is also increases aggressiveness often
so often, and that's the the contributing factors, only one
of them. So de sexing her should, you know, decrease

(01:43:51):
that that behavior that influence, so that that's one benefit.
The other thing I'd be doing is I'd be doing
some direct socialization work. Identify the ones she's having problems with,
and it's typically females versus females. Females fight for males,
males fight males, and the dog worlders of generalization and

(01:44:14):
males count out of females so like, so that but
basically you know that the females are going to fight
if they're going to fight. Now, what I'd normally work
with is teachers using a clicker training technique or a
click and reward them for contact immediately around each other,
so I really get them to like being around each

(01:44:36):
other by rewarding them for doing that, and so.

Speaker 6 (01:44:39):
Regularly, sorry, generally speaking, they are they're actually really good
friends and will curl.

Speaker 17 (01:44:45):
Up with each other.

Speaker 7 (01:44:49):
So what context is the aggression.

Speaker 20 (01:44:54):
She over barks and over dominates the other girls in
the house as your cats and the dog, and she's
out in public she's become a bit more aggressive towards
bigger dogs.

Speaker 7 (01:45:08):
Yeah, so on the if you jump, if you want
to jump on the school and look at what it
called the meat and Greek technique, which is a training
technique particularly for meeting other dogs, but it applies to
your dogs as well, particularly when you come home. All
this high arousal situations, which is probably when this is happening.
Doesn't sound like she's flying and then trying to attack them,
So that's good news. But really we wanted just to

(01:45:30):
curtail that behavior. As I said, the the sexing may help,
and secondly i'd be doing that meet and greet technique
and if you, if you jump online, have a look
at that shows you how to do that with her
and other dogs and her and your dogs. But that's
the technique that'll change it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
All the very that Yeah, all the very best there,
and it sounds like you've got quite the doctor do
a little situation going on.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Yes, even cat eleven son eight, minipincer GC three, toy
kirtle four and now kitten you've got you've got a
lot on there a bunch of techs coming through His
last phone calls. This is an interesting one for a
little gross. How do I stop my border collie eating
his own leavings? And is that bad for him?

Speaker 10 (01:46:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:46:17):
So it's called coprophasia, and and it's a it's not
an uncommon behavior. It's not a common baby. But of
course for dogs it's not as gross as it is
for humans. Dogs actually sometimes eat feces. In fact, they
used to eat our feces. That's how they co evolved
with us. And so because you know, we leave a

(01:46:37):
whole lot of stuff and our digestives, you know, and
our our feces, that's quite good to eat if you've
got official not them. But but anyway, the bottom line
is it's not a desirable behavior. It can be induced
by dietary deficiencies, but normally it's something that develops when
they're a pup and they're in a feces strewn kind

(01:46:58):
of environment and they learn to eat the feces in
that context. So normally what we do is it might sound,
but it gets a place of gloves out. We bade
up feces with something foul tasting but non toxic, and
we've start with a taste of version.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
We get is there something fouler than dog feces out there?

Speaker 7 (01:47:19):
There is the dogs, So you know kyne peppers, and
you go through, you make sure you check that it's
not a toxic substance. Put it in a piece of meat,
watch them spit it out. If that works, then that's
the one to start with. And that's the first technique
we use as other techniques, but that's that's the common
first one. And we also look at balancing that dimetry

(01:47:41):
deficiencies that could be part of the cause.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Very cool, Thanks for sure. It doesn't make for nice breath,
does it when they start doing that?

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
No, no, no, you don't want to be lecked by
a dog that does that. Mark. Thank you very much
again for your time. Just hold there and will take
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Talk to Be News Talks it'd be. It is a
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renowned animal behaviorist. You know him well when he's taking
your questions on our eight hundred and eighty teen eighty.
If you've got a few issues with your pet, shall
we say he is the man that you should be
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Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
He's also very popular by the amount of texts in
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Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
But if you can't get through, keep trying, and if
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welcome nine to nine to two, Pam. You've got a
issue with your golden retriever.

Speaker 23 (01:48:41):
Yes, it's a family one, and he keeps taking different
items like te tels, clothes, keys, footwear, hides them and
they haven't been able to find them. They've got a
really loude section, but there's hunted and hunted and we
don't know where he's burying them. He goes to Dohy

(01:49:01):
Daycare once a week and other than that, he's a
great dog, but he's just he's just getting air pain.

Speaker 7 (01:49:14):
Well, he's a Golden Retriever, of course, I've got one
of those, so I know what it's like. And he
loves to have something in his mouth, doesn't he. And
he's a typical golden retriever. And and of course, and
that means they wander off with them, and certainly they
can end up in the wrong place. There's there's a
technique that I that I teach in the school called

(01:49:34):
discrimination training. And if you jump on and have a
look at that video, that teaches you how to teach
him to discriminate about what he's allowed to take and
what he's not allowed to take. And discrimination training is
the technique. It's a clicker training technique, and use the
long line in the check lead. And so we're teaching
him how to how to discriminate and what to discriminate.

(01:49:56):
So he has all his things he's allowed, and we
make sure he's got plenty of those, and we teach
him that he's allowed those things, and then we teach
him that he's not allowed the other things. Jump on
the video, I have a look and see how I
do it, and teach you how to do it. And
as I said, the dogs, how old is he now?

Speaker 12 (01:50:12):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:50:13):
Probably six, so I would say six.

Speaker 7 (01:50:15):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean he's still middle aid, so
still able to learn, and you know, oportum to get
a dog by the time they are nine or ten.
It gets pretty hard work trying to get them to
rewire the behaviors. But of course this is a natural
behavior a golden retriever to retrieve and to take it
around and take it places. So the only way to
teach him to stop doing it is to teach him

(01:50:36):
to discriminate what he's allowed to touch and what he's
not allowed. So jump on it. Dogs in fifty. If
you put that and you're going to discount for the
first month, you'll only need it for a month and
then'll get the things sorted and you'll have a dog
that doesn't steal all your good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
I hope that helps. Pam Holly, you've got an anxious dog, Lick.

Speaker 24 (01:50:59):
Yes, a high mass and child and thanks for taking
my call.

Speaker 10 (01:51:03):
Mark.

Speaker 24 (01:51:03):
We've got a foxy Chiwava bearded Collie cross eight weeks
old and she's been perfect. We're really well socialized, school pickups,
coffee shops, writed ten dog packwalks. We've conditioned her to
be home alone for short periods and hunts and hunt
the trees and don't make a fuss when we come home.
She just we just bland in and she's been really

(01:51:24):
good one here. And it seems to be an allergy
thim that she's got where she licks her front feet.

Speaker 14 (01:51:32):
We wondered if it was coakea whether it was a
chicken based allergy.

Speaker 7 (01:51:39):
Right, she's not, she's not. She's not suffering separation, distressed
brother sounds. It sounds like you're doing You've done a
good job of that. So she's not licking the top
of the poor where she's got a kind of alesion
on the top of the floor paw. She's licking between
the toes.

Speaker 24 (01:51:56):
It's under the well up up the back of the
foot to the little toe. We would call it on
a horse, I don't know what you call.

Speaker 11 (01:52:04):
It on a dog.

Speaker 7 (01:52:05):
That yeah, glory is she's so what what what? What's
going on there? By the sounds of it, it sounds
like a contact alogy. The most common cause of a
contact alogy is wandering jew, believe it or not. And
most people underneath their plants are wandering jew of some
kind and that's really causes quite a bad inflammation and

(01:52:27):
that analogy, and so that's probably what it is, But
the best thing is is check it out with the
vet and there's verse tests they can do to determine
whether it's a food allergy or contactology or some other
kind of cause. But it's really more of a medical
issue that one. But yeah, that's the I would suggest

(01:52:48):
it's probably wandering jew or something like that that's causing
her a contactology under a feet.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
I hope that works. Good. Lack gale, you've got a
dog that's not answering your calls?

Speaker 25 (01:53:02):
No, take your space?

Speaker 21 (01:53:04):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Okay, yep, gotch a loud and clear you go for
a gale.

Speaker 7 (01:53:09):
Hi, thank you.

Speaker 25 (01:53:10):
We've got a six and a half year old, very small,
adorable mini shaus with her. We just love and she's
she's always been very stubborn. I think many schnauss are
incredibly stubborn, and it's my way of the highway. So
she's been quite hard to turn off her dogs. In
my life, I've never known such a bad recall. She
She's fine with my daughter, who's actually sort of broken

(01:53:30):
horses and stuff, so los a very stern voice. She's
away union ow. But when I take her for a
walk twice a day, she's she's a let's a sniffer, sniffer, sniffer,
and I get that that's their social things, but you
just can't walk with her because or off leash, because
you'd be two caves down the road and she's still
sniffing somewhere else. And it's just that's not fun so

(01:53:53):
much now, you know, because then and I'm wondering because
when she was younger, she's get a lot of time
on the farm and that's of fun. So she's run
around heart bloot, you.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Know with my jack grassle Whenie snows across the very
familiar to me.

Speaker 7 (01:54:10):
Yeah, it's very much all those breeds, you know, in
any any breed that's got us and learns to usually
those a lot. Of course, dog's got two million times
better smell than us, so it's not surprising that they're
reading the newspaper while they're on the walk, and that's
actually what they do do. So that really is is

(01:54:31):
normally I use clicker training for recall. It's the most
effective way and long line and there's actually at the
video on recall on the school that you can check
out and just see how how I do it. And
it's and you want to be working on a long
line after a while, so she's dragging the long line.
But you need to have use contrast training. Whi's the

(01:54:54):
technique which I teach in there and and you need
to prove it, which means you need to once you've
trained it in an easy situation, then you need to
systematically work it out and the more difficult situations where
there's dogs and people and lots of things around.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
Good luck with your sniffy miniche now, yeah, all the
bear scales. It's my life every morning.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
Now, Mart, we've got about sixty seconds left, so hopefully
that's enough time. Quick text question Guys, my six month
old labrador jumps all over me in the morning until
I feed him. It's chaos. Will he ever settle down?
Please help?

Speaker 7 (01:55:28):
Yeah. Clicker training is again the trick with labradors. If
so food oriented, get him on the clicker. Clicker means
he learns to exactly what you want him to do.
And the trick there is click and reward four feet
on the ground and he will earn that the hours.

Speaker 5 (01:55:45):
Brilliant.

Speaker 7 (01:55:46):
It's easy to do really, particularly with the lab because
he's so food oriented.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Fantastic Mark. We've run out of time. But man, we
could have done this for four hours and we'll still
have calls to get to. So we'll catch you again
at about a month's time. If you want to check
out Mark doc Zen dot com and as you've mentioned
throughout the ale, you've got a bit of a deal
line at the moment.

Speaker 7 (01:56:09):
Yeah, and just jump on our Facebook page and meet
us there and you know, do blogs and talk backs
and Facebook lives and all types of stuff so you
can communicate with me there as well when you can't
get me on the screat show.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
Brilliant stuff. Thank you very much, Mike. We'll catch you
again very soon. That is Mark Vittie, world renowned animal behaviorist.

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