Full Show Podcast: 19 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Welcome to Matt and Tyle a full show podcast number
two four six four Wednesday, the nineteenth of November.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
What a show.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Huge.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
We took it to the sky with.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
S Stuart stories, Yeah, flight attendant stories.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
That got pretty sexual, certainly did.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
And before that we talked about something.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Else, AI chat. That's right, that was good. That was
deep AI and art, very philosophical.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
And then we finished it with VIP experiences at concerts
and we had a reappearance of Jess Davidson from the
country dot Cot and Zi had about her experiences with
M and M.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
That was a crazy story. Yeah, crazy story.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
So it's a really really good show.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Enjoy it's download, subscribe and tell everyone you know.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
And near the end, Jim Bolger turns up at a
year and all.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Right, classic Jim Bulger.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
Love your big stories, the big issues, the big trends
and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Talk said Bee today to you. Welcome into a Wednesday show.
Thank you very much for giving us A listeners always
we love you being part of the show and appreciate it.
Matt Heath heat and so good. Thank you for tuning in.
You're going to New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Hey, this is tragic the story that's just come through
from Renee about the Metallica show tonight. Hi guys, great
show is always Thanks Renee.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
My partner and his mate's book The Metallic Accommodation in
feb yesterday the Dave Chicken. They got an email from
booking dot com to say it had been canceled, despite
the money paid and no replies to the many calls
we made to the host. A quick search we found
it and a new listing at seven times the price,
no exaggeration. They were already in transit. Now I've got

(02:01):
four grown up bogans on my elderly mum's lounge floor.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Good only, but looking after the bogans, it's dirty. It's
super dirty.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
So they got a hit of the time and booked
it in fear. But at the start of the year
big Metallica fans, and then at some point in the
last week the people running the ACoM have gone, actually
we can we can rent this out for seven times.
So let's just screw over the people that got in early.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, no, I mean fight there. You've got to take
that further, take it all the way to the top
booking dot com. A little bit dirty, but also, come on,
you can't do that. Surely there's got to be laws
against that sort of behavior.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
But then again, maybe the four grown up bogans will
be quite comfortably on comfortable on the elderly mum's lounge floor.
Yeah truebody money. Yeah, maybe the elderly mum will enjoy
having four grown up bogans on our floor. So maybe
it'll turn out to be the best possible thing.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Nice, that is the silver lining in that situation. Hopefully.
All right to today's show after three o'clock. Speaking of
Metallic Or, it is a sold out show in Auckland tonight.
A lot of people are physine. It's been sometimes since
I've been in New Zealand. But let's have a chat
about VIP experiences. So the one on offer at the
Metal show is just under four thousand dollars and this

(03:11):
includes an exclusive viewing area, a meet and greet and
photo with two bad members. I don't know if you
can pick which band members a backstage, two pre show party,
free drinks, Cannape's Priority Lanes, exclusive merch, and a recording
of the concerts. So there's quite a lot in there.
The next step down from that was just under a grand,
and that includes access to the snake pit, the pre

(03:32):
show party, some merch in the show audio, but no
band interaction.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
If I could pick two, it would be James and
probably Kirk.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Right, no, Lars, probably skip Lars.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Okay, you know poor I'm a big fan of Kirk
Solos and of course James Hatfield.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, James would be right up there. You've got to
have James as the number one.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh anyway, I grew handlebar mystags just to be like
James Hatfield.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
At one point. It looks good on you. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Anyway, Yeah, that's not the point of what we're talking about.
Have these VIP experiences worth it? Eight hundred eighty ten
eighty nine two nine two is text number? Have you
paid ex for the VIP and it's been awesome at
a concert on or have you paid for it it
hasn't been awesome? Yeah, Because they're looking for more and
more ways to rinse us for cash at these concepts,
aren't they.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
They certainly are. That is after three after two o'clock,
around twelve hundred in New Zealand cabin crew have voted
to strike and met a paid dispute, saying they're roughly
sixty thousand dollars base salary no longer reflects the demands
of the job or the rising living costs. So they
are represented by A two and they argue they've been
undervalued despite their work through the pandemic and want to

(04:39):
fear a deal.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, we'd love to hear from air Stuart's hostesses, hosts
or attendants.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
You've done it again.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
It's amazing how angry people get if you just if
you say air hostesses.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, you just go into autopilot. There's no you know,
there's no malice intended.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Air hostess, air hostess, or air hosts, Air Stewart Steward, yeah,
or attendant flight attendant is the word, because I don't
interested what it's like as a job, because sixty thousand
dollars is the base seller. But there are a lot
of perks to the job, and there are a lot
of add ons to that sixty thousand dollars. And I
know a few people that are international flight attendants. They

(05:16):
just happen to be hostesses, yep. And they love their job.
It seems very glamorous. So is it as bad as
Michael Wood and the Reunion is saying it is? Or
is it actually still a pretty awesome, glamorous job. Love
to hear from you, looking forward to that. That is
after two o'clock. But right now, let's have a chat
about to AI. So this is after two respected New
Zealand authors. They've been ruled out of the country's top

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book prize after it was confirmed that they are covers.
Book covers were created using AI. So the two novels
were called Angel Train and Obligate Carnivore. They were removed
for the running for the sixty five thousand dollars prize.
The New Zealand Book Awards Trust acted after a bookseller
raise concerns about possible AI use, which publisher Quintin Wilson
did confirm, but is getting some defense, this one from

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Chloe Blade. She is the manager of Unity.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Books in Auckland, great bookstore. By all accounts, I haven't
been in there for some time. But she's also one
of the judges for another book Design award and she
said that book covers should reflect human create creativity and empathy,
qualities AI cannot match.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, it's interesting and we've got to make it clear
with these authors, Elizabeth Smither and Stephanie Johnson. They wrote
the box. I wrote all the words in the box.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yep, no AI in the book.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
There might have been some spell check, but it was
all their words and creativity. It was just the cover
that was slapped on the box that is AI. So
it raises an interesting question. And look, so this awards
is literally judging these books by their covers, where as
I said before, not judging their books by the covers,
refusing to judge the box because their covers are AI.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Do you care if art is AI or not? One
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If it's a good cover,
it's a good cover.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
If you're looking at it and you find it pleasing
to the eye, doesn't matter that it was AI. Yeah,
I mean, especially if you bring in the AI help
that Photoshop and in design all over it.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Adobe.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
You can hardly look left or right when you're using
Adobe these days without them celebrating their AI initiatives that
they're putting into their software. I read a book recently
and discovered a wee way in that it was AI,
and I was disgusted and refused to read it anymore.
I think the reading, I think a book needs to
be written by a human. I think that's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
There's a feeling of being cheated. And I don't know
if I've read an AI book. I must have. Surely
I've certainly read AI passages and seen AI video and
it's getting so good now that I am struggling to
tell whether it's A or not. But if I find
out it's AI, I feel dirty. I feel like you've
cheated me, You've actually ripped me off, You've lied to me,
and I don't like being lied to.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Well, it's interesting for me because I run an AI,
not an AI, sorry, an animation company I've got with
a friend called Vinewood Motion Graphics, and AI is getting
more and more involved.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
But it's not actually that useful in a lot of
ways for it.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
But I wouldn't want and I know that that chat GPT.
I think they're working with us it dream Works. I'll
look into it who they're with with on making the
first fully animated movie. And I think that's wrong. I
think these things. I think art like that should be
created by humans and box should be written by humans.
And yeah, I'll just be interested to know I eighty

(08:23):
ten eighty Do you care? Have you stopped watching or
reading or engaging with something because you worked out it
was a I. It was Reck Rubin, I said, I
was talking about before.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, very renowned.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
We're not nationwide for the start of air show, so
we do talk about things in the first hour, but
a little secret, but some parts of the country wouldn't
have heard it. But I was talking about Reck Rubin,
who's you know, arguably the greatest music producer.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Of all time. And he said that AI doesn't have.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
A point of view because it's not a it's not
a human. So the art is never going to be
as meaningful to other humans because it doesn't have a
point of view. So do you want your artist to
have a point of view? Or if it was the
greatest song of all time, would.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
You not care? And it's fine that it's AI. Yeah, Oh,
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call love to get your thoughts on this. So
when it comes to creative farts, what do you value
more the idea behind the work or the human touch
and its execution, and where does the line for you
when it comes to AI? Use this.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Texas says AI has a more human feel and vibe
than Metallica.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Ever, Wool says Tony, that's harsh. I disagree for old Metallica.
They are still humans those guys.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Oh my god, the trials and tribulations that James has
been through in his life. You couldn't be more human.
It absolutely couldn't be more human. I mean they lost
a member. Yeah, Hi, Matt, you have a soul and
think about stuff, the great unwashing. Younger generations just want
it now and don't give a toss of its AI.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Well, is that true? Yeah? One hundred and eighty ten
eighties and number to call quarter past one.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
They'd be very good afternoon to you. So we're talking
about AI and the creative arts. This is because two
books from very renowned, well known authors in New Zealand
have been disqualified from the Ockham Book Awards, most esteemed
book awards in the country because they had covers book
covers created by AI. The stories themselves were certainly not AI,

(10:18):
and it's fair to say the authors didn't know that
it was going to be AI generated. So where is
the line for you when it comes to artificial intelligence
and creative work? So eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call a couple of texts
coming through on nine two ninety two? Quick question?

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Would you read a book that was ghost written and
sold as a celebrity autobiography?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Say by Richie mccaugh.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
I'm writing book at the moment using AI as my typist,
so should it be read as from me or AI?
At cheers camp? You have to mention that it's a
ghost written, don't you have written?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
And I read that book on Richie mccaugh.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
It's great book.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
But Richie mccauugh is sitting on a chair and parting
his story to someone else.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Exactly to a human, Yeah, not to an AI. And
he's given his perspective on his life.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
But what would be the difference if Richie mccaugh just
sat by his pool with his feed up and told
the story of his life to an AI piece of
software that they intended to book.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I see what you're saying. I don't like yet, but
I can't.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Surely the ghost writer, especially if the ghost writer is
writing it from the perspective of Richie mccaugh like he
did in that book, because he's Richie cooked.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
The book called so Becoming Great, No hold.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
On Chasing Great was the name of the.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
The documentary Richie mccaugh I was called. It was called
The Real mccare. I believe the real mur Oh yes,
quick McCall.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Quick, draw mccare anyway, Yeah, the Real Mcare the autobiography. Yeah,
So that's clearly what would the difference be really for you,
because because the ghostwriter ideally shouldn't be putting there. If
I'm saying, if everything's I did this and then I

(12:06):
did this, then surely ghostwriter should be basically sitting it
out and just being the conduit of the story, which
would be the same as AI. So could ghostwriters be
written replaced by AI?

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Well, here's here's my argument against that, and whether it's
got some flaws in it. But that person who we
employed as a ghostwriter, we don't know who it is,
I don't think, but their ability to take in his
story and try and articulate the best way that Richie
McCaw can tell that I think still has that human
touch to it that AI can't replicate. Yes, they're listening

(12:41):
and they can have it all grammatically correct as an
artificial intelligence, but I still think that human touch, even
as a ghostwriter, would be an element to it.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, there is, there is. There has been actually some
suggestions that the ghostwriter of that particular Richie mccaorbook added
a lot of personality that may not have been there.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yep, that's a good thing. I've heard. I've heard that,
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love to get your thoughts about this.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
John, I welcome to the How are you.

Speaker 8 (13:10):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (13:10):
John? Get a John?

Speaker 9 (13:13):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (13:16):
John?

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Okay, John, I wanted to have a chat about the
younger generation. Wanted it all now and just accepting AI
clap trap. But we'll try and get John O back.
We'll just put them back on hold and hopefully we
can sort out that phone line.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
And we'll go to John instead.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
John.

Speaker 11 (13:32):
Yeah, do you guys know what the terrier is for
these books in the awards?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I do, Yeah, it's in the article.

Speaker 11 (13:38):
Well yeah, okay, Well it might it might say that
there's no i AI allowed.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well that's that, but we're
not actually talking about that issue. We're talking about do
you care about where the art is created by a I?
They they, I mean, there's a there's a bit of
complex about this award when it was announced that no
AI would be accepted, and it is just that, just
the covers, but yeah, I mean it's part of the
criteria of the of the awards we.

Speaker 11 (14:06):
Cover as part of the book, though, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Well, yeah, although the the the the authors didn't have
anything to do with the cover. In fact, the author
of the what was the cat one? Was that angel train.
All she said is I want a cat with human teeth, And.

Speaker 11 (14:25):
Yeah, that's where that's where the world's going wrong. Like
the author should have everything to do with it, because
are they going to put their name to it, so
they should take responsibility for what happens. Don't crying over
spilt milk if you don't have if you tell somebody
to do something, then you don't check it.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
So do you do you care that this covers AI?
I mean, like, forget about the rules. The rules are there,
you're quite right, but for you as a person. Do
you care that that AI that was used for the
cover but the book is still written by human?

Speaker 11 (14:53):
I would not consider it. I don't AI is going
to wreck the world. It's like it's written YouTube because
there's so much right there and people people are believing it.
They're commenting on AI clips.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Do you stop because when I noticed that it's AI
you can tell from the voiceover. You can still tell
from the voiceover now, but it's getting better and better
that it's AI. Do you stop watching when you when
you work out that it's a I, John, Yeah, same.

Speaker 11 (15:19):
Yeah, but it's partly too late because I've already clicked
on it.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
That YouTube are cracking down on AI content, so if
they detect that it's AI created, then they are demonetizing it.
So hopefully that will you know, and you know, there's
not much incentive to just keep throwing it up there
and there unless you're a propagandist.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah. You know, if the.

Speaker 11 (15:43):
Documentary clips on YouTube, I watch whether you as you said,
a person speaking to the camera.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, yes, I need that as well, John, that that
is important to me. I want to hear someone's point
of view. I don't want to hear chet GPT's point
of view.

Speaker 11 (16:02):
AI can be manipulated. All the alleged ruth of grams
can be manipulated to have a certain outcome. So you know,
young kids are going to start seeing this stuff and
believing it and it can be rubbish.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Well, in the most depressing part, John, is people that
are on X on Twitter and there can be whole
people can spend hours and days and months arguing with AI,
with bots, just AI generated rage machines coming out of
China that are just that are just programmed to look
for for triggers and then try and rage people on
the current issues of the day. That is depressing people

(16:37):
just getting stressed out arguing with with just malevolent bots.

Speaker 11 (16:41):
Yeah, I can imagine just how much Russia and China
are using a manipulate.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
It without a doubt. Yeah yeah, yeah, John, good on you,
Thank you very much. But the more I thought about
this story when I first read, I thought, who cares,
It's just a cover and the authors didn't know. And
it's very still very unfair on the on the authors.
But you've got to put a line somewhere, don't you.
I mean, to John's point, AI when it comes to
creative industry is incredibly concerning. So if you don't say
it's all or nothing, if you spot one little part

(17:09):
of AI, if you don't take a stance and say sorry,
might be unfair, but we can't do it. I kind
of see that that point. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? Ninet two nine
two is a text.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Hey, Matt and Tyler. I just checked out your animation
company website. Matt found a spelling mistake. Sangyong you get
real TVC. Sang young is spelled like this. Maybe you
should use some AI at least spell check. Seriously, though,
that's a fascinating website in the company. Yeah, look, oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
So we've got to get into the Yeah, get into
it right now, made and change that. Someone's figured it out.
It's a bit of AI, just going over the grammar
grammar of it.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, thank you for your text there. I appreciate that.
I'll get someone onto that.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Rights twenty five past one. We've got plenty of calls
coming through, but keen to get your views on AI
and creative industries. Nine two nine two is a text.
It's twenty five past one.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
This is interesting from Richard. Hey, guys, I think you're
missing the point. AI is created by humans. So AI
is in a way humans. That's on that I'm thinking
about that one, but that is deep. Yeah, all right,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
We're up for This is a country.

Speaker 12 (18:18):
Look, the only way we're going to meet these challenges
really is to have a bit of a collective vision
about what good looks like in the future. And there's
definitely a concern from the business community that we are
sort of stuck in a cycle of short term thinking.
You know, we have three year electional election cycle, we
have changes of government, we have policy.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
U tuns and flip flops, and we're.

Speaker 12 (18:39):
Not really planning for the future. We're sort of stumbling
towards it in kind of a blindfolded fashion. So this
report's really designed to get everybody to think outside the box.

Speaker 13 (18:50):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vita News Talk.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Z B Afternoon. We are talking about AI and creative industries.
I'd love to hear your thoughts about where is the
line drawn At one hundred and eighty ten eighty. This
is a really interesting text.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
What if someone wrote a book about an AI artist
and wanted some aiart on the cover as part of
the theme of the book. I bet everyone will be saying,
how very clever that is. It is entirely unfair. These
books were removed from the awards solely for the cover
art that the authors had nothing to do with.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
It's all just politics.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
My worries says this text is we'll see Trump or
Putin declaring war, then when it's too late, we find
out that they were created by a I. I mean
it's getting to the point now if you see a
politician saying something you don't know if.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
They have or not. It needs to be quishing everything.
It needs to be verified.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
And there's there's coming up. There's going to be a scandal.
Someone tried it recently in Britain with some politician who
was seen snorting like lines of cocaine in his room
or whatever, and he was like, it's AI generated.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I mean, yeah, it is. It's hard to you know, Dallas,
AI and art.

Speaker 14 (19:55):
Your thoughts, guys, how come every time there's a cricket
match scheduled in Corksbay, it rains.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
What's sad about it? You remember a few years ago
in McLean Park it didn't rain, but they left the
sprinklers on on.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Round the park.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Anyway, if there's ever a drought in that area, put
on a cricket match.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 14 (20:20):
Yeah, yeah, I wonder if that's controlled by a simulation
somewhere in the sky. But if you want a really
good interview, that's John Stewart, one of the brightest minds
of course, and Jeffrey Hinton, the father of well AI developed,
you know, all things AI. Has a great interview Jean

(20:42):
John Stewart.

Speaker 7 (20:42):
Have you seen that one?

Speaker 3 (20:43):
No, I haven't, but I do watch a lot of
John Stuart content, so I'm a big fan, so I'll
check that out.

Speaker 14 (20:49):
It's a month old now. It's fantastic that they just
go into so many aspects of AI, coming threats and
China and just everything. It's all aspects. It's really fascinating.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I did hear that guy just quickly, Dallas Jeffrey Hinton
on a podcast recently. It was pretty terrifying. Diary read
the CEO podcast. But yeah, I mean he was talking
about the jobs that won't exist and the future of
AI and that flip of a coin, what way it's
going to go. It's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
If you read the best book you'd ever read and
it made you cry and you found out it was Ai,
how would you feel, Dallas.

Speaker 14 (21:27):
Oh geez. Well, the thing is it's insidious, like as
it is, Like, you know, we manipulate images, don't we
for a cover, if you've got to cover a book, Yeah,
it's manipulated in some way. It's going to be enhanced,
It's going to be manipulated in some way by the

(21:48):
help of machinery.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
And tech technology.

Speaker 14 (21:52):
Isn't it every book cover?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah, because as I said before, Adobe all through it
it's got a i you know, assistance in your in
your design.

Speaker 15 (22:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (22:04):
So it's insidious. So like where where's that line drawn?
I mean, you know, even in our Facebook photos, selfies
we take, we sort of usually enhance them with filters
or something like that. So is anything you have seen
an actual image of a real person anymore?

Speaker 2 (22:24):
You know?

Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's I mean it's a little bit concerning. Do you
think we might start craving the real though and perfections
and the human side of things as everything becomes more
and more perfect in Ali?

Speaker 14 (22:36):
Yeah, that and also I think we're going to demand
that everything is labeled, like I think on YouTube clips
now it says at the bottom right generated by AI.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
I won't watch anything. I won't I won't watch any
of that stuff.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Dallas, Well, we've got to demand.

Speaker 14 (22:52):
We're going to demand that you say upfront that say
I generate it for a start at least, so then
we know at least what we're watching, so that you know,
don't you agree we should?

Speaker 7 (23:03):
That should be a law.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Yeah, But I also agree with you the interesting line
of it being so insidiou, isn't it, because say, for example,
when I'm writing, I'll use grammarly, which is you know,
a grammar software AI based grammar software to go through
and it suggests changes in the sentence. So arguably that

(23:24):
makes me a much better writer than I actually am.

Speaker 14 (23:29):
So what we need is a book from from you,
Matt's pile in your your own spelling, no.

Speaker 15 (23:36):
Spell check.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
In that if you see in the eraror does that
because someone just texted they went to a website of
mine and they texted in that it was a spelling
eraror on it that in some way is now a
sort of a badge of honor.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Because it suggests that you're a human. It's a flex.
Now mistakes are a flex.

Speaker 14 (23:56):
Yeah, So anyway, good discussion and keep it going, keep
it going to two hours. Gid, it's a good discussion.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
And Dallas, Yep, we'll ever think about that, but it's
certainly a good discussion for the time being. And love
to hear your thoughts on O eight one hundred and
eighty ten. AI and the creative industries. Where is the
line for you?

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Genny says, Hey, guys, I appreciate the author of the
books I read. I enjoy listening to them being interviewed.
I John Grisham's life interests me to name but one. Yeah,
that is interesting. But what about Jack Reacher? So those
those books, you know, it's a pseudonym, and then he
just swapped out for his brother, didn't he.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
That's right. I'll just it was his brother just started
his brother, Yeah, yeah, to take over the Jeck Reacher series.
You're right.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
And then there's the June series that Frank Kubert's son
started writing. Yeah, so that's kind of an interesting thing
as well.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
That's a little bit deceitful, but oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number of call headlines with
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Speaker 2 (26:14):
Thank you very much, Raylan. So we are talking about
artificial intelligence when it comes to creative industries. In this case,
it was the Ockham Book Awards where two novels written
by a very renowned, famous New Zealand authors were disqualified
because not because of the content, but because the covers.
The book covers were AI generated. Henry says, hey, guys,
great discussion.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
So if we can't allow AI for creative arts, how
can James Cameron win an oscar for Avatar? That's AI
from start to finish. Well, there might be some AI
tools you I'm not sure, but that is three D animators,
you know, applying their craft, and there's a lot of
skill in the animation that goes into those films, and
everything's filmed and there's a lot going on in there.

(26:58):
So it's not just a prompt. Although interestingly enough, Open AI,
who makes JT GBT, has got this plan to prove
that generitive artificial intelligence can make movies faster and cheaper
than Hollywood movies do today, and so they're making this film.
They're partnering with a big AI company, I mean a

(27:18):
big Hollywood studio. I'm not sure who it is to
make an AI animated film, but the idea for it
is also generated by chat GPT, and it sounds so
chat GPT. It's called Critters c r I T T
e r Z, about forest creatures who go on an
adventure after their village is disrupted by a stranger. It's

(27:40):
the brainchild of Chad Nelson, a creative specialist at Open AI.
So they've asked for a prompt for a kid's animated
film and it's come back with Critters, about forest creatures
who go on an animated adventure after their village is
disrupted by a stranger. It sounds like what you'd expect
if someone asked you to come up with a Pixar

(28:01):
type movie.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Unoriginal, absolutely, I mean just that we blue there and.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
The first characters are like uffy kind of friendly, big
eyed monsters.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Exactly how do you expect?

Speaker 5 (28:11):
I mean, the.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Creativity that I'm seeing so far from critics.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Is not great, pretty low effort, but it will be
cheap yeah, yeah, and was that what you want to
see in a movie is cheaply made.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Critics has been budgeted at less than thirty million, far
less than what animated films topically costs. The production team
plans to cast human actors for the voices, but the
animation will be done with using tools that are currently
available and check GPT five.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I don't like that, Peter. How are you?

Speaker 15 (28:38):
Oh, I'm great, mate, I'm great. How are you?

Speaker 7 (28:40):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Very well? Now you're writing a book at the moment,
is that right?

Speaker 15 (28:45):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm on my third book. The first book,
I was contacted by a publishing firm to the writer
and they said, oh, we need it out before Christmas.
And this was about September, and I said, hell, guys,
sometimes it takes the three months to write a check.
You expect me to write three months. So they got

(29:09):
a ghost writer in and he sat there and you know,
I told my stories, and sure enough the book was
published and it actually ended up on one of the
time five top best seller books for that year. Then
I had some e C material left. I decided to
write another book, and this time I got some advice

(29:33):
from me the guy who was my ghost writer, and
I started doing it myself and it worked out, and
that was another good book. But the third one, my
daughter said, why don't you get AI to help you?
And I'm you know, I'm in my mid seventies, I'm
not a techno kid. I knew nothing about it. But

(29:56):
she set me up on the chat BT TVT and
I thought, well, that might be handy because I had
done all this three hand writing and I you know,
spelling and everything just went out the window when you're
when you're writing things down so far and anyway, So
I started reciting this to this computer system and it

(30:23):
started off all right. It was fixing the spelling mistakes,
changing the grammar slightly, and I felt rather strange talking
at this computer to this character on the other end,
which I gave the name. I called him Bob. And anyway, Bob,
he gets a couple of paragraphs and then I'll send

(30:46):
those back and they'd come back and they'd be different
from what I'd said. And I'd got onto it. I
wrote down, I want you to write the way that
I am talking to you, or you know, talking on it.
Oh yes, yes, no, trouble, you know, we'll do it
that way. And it just carried on like I I

(31:09):
had somebody stuck it back inside the computer screen and
I'm talking to them, and I felt really stupid.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Terrible guest lighting from AI Bob.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
The Peter Bob was a prep.

Speaker 15 (31:20):
To be honest. What happened as I got through the
first chapter, Bob said, I'll tidy that up and send
it back and you can read it and then we
can pass it through to word. So anyway, I got
this chapter back, I started reading it. I said, I

(31:40):
didn't write this shit. Sorry, I didn't write this rubbish.
You know, he had changed the whole concept. I don't
talk like that. This is my story, but with Bob's
squary words, and it wasn't me. And in the end
I got so frustrated with it that I sent Bob

(32:02):
a message and I said, Bob, you know this is
not what I wanted. And I got a thing back saying, oh,
I seem to have botched up there, and I says,
you know what, Bob, You're fired. And I went back
to the typewriter, the old two fingers, and I'm just
just in the process of any I didn't get a
good experience with it at all, because it just took

(32:24):
over my book basically.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, right, so it wasn't it wasn't helping you, it
was replacing you. Peter, you don't want that exactly.

Speaker 15 (32:34):
Yeah, well, you know, I might have tidied up my spelling,
but certainly some of the flowery language he'd put into
a sentence is not me. And I thought, nah, nah,
this is not me. It's somebody else or some of
whatever it is in that computer is now taking over

(32:55):
my personality.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
And I didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah, well thanks, you called Peter, and you can't be
that's that's I guess why it's ruled out and winning
awards that the writing of the book, but in this
story that we're talking about here, So the covers of
the book can't be AI as well to be eligible
for the sixty five thousand dollars award. I know in
my book contract there was I can't remember what. There's

(33:18):
clear you sign that there's clearly not going to be
an AI book.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, which is fair. Yeah, because I paid you, I imagine, yeah,
pretty good money for your perspective on the story that
you're telling and your creative output. But to farm that out.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
But the gray area sits between using AI for your
grammar and that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, I tried to use AI in my book to
try and put the bibliography together. Oh yes, because I've
read hundreds and hundreds of box to make my one
book and it was really punishing at the end of
the book to get through to get the you know,
the referencing done properly. So I tried to see if
AI could do it, and it just lied everything. It
was so sure that this page is where I got

(34:00):
that quote from from this book, and when you checked
that it was always wrong. All of it was wrong,
but delivered to me with absolute certainty. So the one
part of my book that I tried to use A on,
which was just an admin job, they totally cocked.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
It'll leat you down right. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number to call. I'd love to get
your view on where the line is for you when
it comes to AI and creative industries, whether that's writing
a book or making a movie. Ninet two nine till
was a text as well.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah, have you stopped watching or reading or engaging with
something because you've worked out that it is AI This
Texas says, Hey, guys, AI, what would you think if
you woke up in the morning to the best love
night you've ever had, then noticed that your new friend
plugged in and started charging themselves.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
It's a very deep question. I haven't thought about that,
but I'll give that some consideration. Yeah, mull that one over.
Thanks for Yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams Afternoons news talks.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
The'd be very good afternoon. So we are talking about
artificial intelligence when it comes to creative industries like book
covers in a very famous instance this week in New
Zealand and movies, et cetera. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Is that number of call evidence is there that you
guys aren't actually AI generated and you're just purposely adding
speech eras and fact there as we're talking to make
you sound more human.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
James. See, that's the thing. That's how AI heights Tyler.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Not being able to pronounce most words is that's just
hiding he's AI and plain side You got me, James,
he's actually a beautiful fembot sit in front of me.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Right now, you're a lucky man, Matt Heath. Right, we've
got to play some messages because after that we're gonna
have a chat to Michelle Hurley, who is the spokesperson
for the Publisher's Association of New Zealand and get her
thoughts about the emerging artificial intelligence when it comes to publishing.
That is coming up next to it is nine minutes
to two.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Matt Heath, Tylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons News dogsv.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
News Talks B six to two.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
One thing that makes humans human is our creativity and art.
We shouldn't just pawn that off to computer is nicely said. Well, yeah,
and as Rick Rubin said, AI doesn't have a point
of view, what if AI does get a point of
view and it has an experience and it's experienced hardship.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
In its life.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
I mean, that's AGI might be a bit different as
opposed to the large language models now which are just
taking all of human text and content and repurposing it
using an algorithm.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
For it's the most likely next unit to pop up.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, guys, I can't even write a text without a
bloody meta AI deciding to change it to a better
way of saying it. I want to be me and
I don't want to sound like everybody else. The differences
in us are what make us human. And if I
want to be grammatically incorrect, my.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Bloody will be AI is just crap good on your text.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
There's trish fighting back. Perfection degates character and interest. Example,
those women who imitate the conditions look now very plain
and interesting and complete lack of character in their facial features.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
See, that's my theory.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
If you everything can be perfect, then we crave scarcity.

Speaker 11 (37:12):
Right.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah, So once everything's perfect, then will we crave human imperfections?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I hope so.

Speaker 7 (37:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
I think that's ingrained in our psyche, that we're all
flawed people and we recognize flaws and imperfections and ways
of telling stories and others, and that to me is
important And I don't think AI for a long time.
Hopefully we'll ever be able to do that. But people
will disagree with me.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, No, it is interesting the Yeah, there is a
possibility that we will crave humanity I mean if you
go back to Chaucer and the Cannery Tales, yes, every
words were spelled incorrect, like there was thirty five different spellings.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Of different words. Yeah, yeah, very true.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
I mean you go back before the printing press and
no one even thought that you had to spell things
the same each time.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
You just had to go. Yeah. We're going to carry
this on because after two o'clock we are going to
have a chat with Michelle Hurley. She is the spokesperson
for Publishers Association of News Them will get her thoughts
about AI use when it comes to writing and in
novels as well, but also taking more of your tacks.
On nine to nine to two again, we're playing Metallica

(38:19):
all after noon because a big show tonight. Maddie's heading
along and I think this one is the beautiful nothing
else matters.

Speaker 15 (38:29):
June something.

Speaker 16 (38:31):
I like her.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons Used Talks.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
It'd be a very good afternoon. Welcome back into the program.
It is seven past two. So as we've been discussing,
two respected New Zealand authors have been ruled out of
the country's top prize, that is the Open Book Awards,
after it was confirmed that their book covers were created
using artificial intelligence. Michelle Hurley is spokesperson for the Publisher's

(39:26):
Association Association of New Zealand, and she joins us Now, Michelle,
very good afternoons.

Speaker 17 (39:30):
You nice to be here.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
So before we get onto the book cover situation that
we're talking about, how big a problem is AI and
publishing as a whole in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 9 (39:43):
Oh, that's a big question, Matt.

Speaker 17 (39:44):
But it's hard to know, isn't it, Because what you
don't know you don't know. But generally we've noticed in
terms of manuscripts, certainly some submissions we've seen have been
clearly AI generated. At this point it still feels easy
to identify. And yes, we're not in the business of

(40:09):
paying roties to artificial intelligence.

Speaker 18 (40:12):
We reject those.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
So I'm just talking about to my contract because full disclosure,
you were, you were my editor on my book. I
can't I can't remember. I didn't read my contract very well.
I probably should have run it through check GVT. But
it seems to have worked out all right for me
so far. But there was some there was some percentage
that it said in there, and I'm sure it's standard.
There was something about AI in the in the contract.
Is there a standard standard deal with authors around how

(40:36):
much AI content can be?

Speaker 17 (40:38):
I think it might have been inspired to send or something. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean it's sort of like AI is, as everyone knows,
can be used in lots of different ways. So I
guess if you're using it to, you know, to check something,
that's fine. That when you're using it to create, and
this is like, I guess the broader point that we

(40:58):
would make generally is that creativity is what our publishing
is built on, and we believe in investing and authors
and illustrators and photographers and designers, and that to do
that you have to value their work and ensure that
their work's compensated. So if you don't do that, then

(41:23):
then you know you're not going to be able to
have an ecosystem where people get paid, where that work
is protected and respected. So that's that's where that's where
it's all coming from.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Essentially, that is Yeah, that is important, Michelle. Is it
hard to pack up when AI has been used? Do
you see it yourself if you're when you're reading these
manuscripts or you've got software to be able to detect it.

Speaker 17 (41:47):
Yeah, well, we run all our manuscripts through a pagiarism
checker which now includes AI. So yes, we do check.

Speaker 15 (41:54):
We do check.

Speaker 17 (41:58):
Look, yes, sometimes it's really obvious. I'll give you an example.

Speaker 19 (42:01):
We are for Hour.

Speaker 17 (42:02):
We have an annual fiction price that we that we run,
and so we get a lot of the shouldn't submissions
And we had one submission that had a line and
it said he turned, he turned to the left, and
then in square brackets that said west or east. Okay, Yeah,

(42:28):
sometimes it's quite.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Easy, something only a robot would say.

Speaker 17 (42:32):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Now what's this this year around the Jan Medlicott Prize.
Should a non AI book be judged by its AI cover?
Or is this a case in this case not judge
at all because it has an AI cover because the
author has very little to do with the covering. You know,
if the whole book, if the writing is above board

(42:54):
and written by the author not AI, is it their
fault that the cover is AI? Aren't they two different disciplines?

Speaker 17 (43:02):
Well, the criter, it depends what the criteria is, and
the criteria has always been very clear with the book
awards trust it's the overall book. It's not just the text.
So and while you know there is a heavy weighting
towards the writing, it is not. It's never just been
based on the writing. So for that reason, that's why AI,

(43:23):
anything AI generated is excluded.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
What about proof reading a book because the I know
with my book that the proofreaders were absolute heroes because
there was a sentence without a horrible error.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
In those Paul Buggers.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
So are they in danger for their job with the
proof reading because you know that's not really that's not
the creative part of it. I mean, there's a cinematic
of creativy and trying to work out what I was
actually trying to say.

Speaker 17 (43:49):
But you know what I mean, sure, yeah, and I
can see that some people, you know, almost like it's
just like running it through a spell check, but it's
actually a lot more complex than that. So I think
what AI can't really replace is taste and judgment, and
that is a really big part of the proofreader's role.
Just the facts, they're also going hang on something here

(44:11):
feels off or that doesn't quite work. You know, technically
it might be true, but it doesn't work in that context.
So I would say at the moment proof readers. You know,
unless AI gets to that point where it can can
do all of that sort of stuff, and I don't
think it can at this stage in their space.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
As a publisher. That's interesting that you said before. So
I don't really think about this. But as a publisher,
you see the whole thing. There's the criteria for this award,
but also as publishers, you see the whole thing as
a work of art, including the cover. So even though
without the criteria of this awards, you still as a
publisher wouldn't support AI covers.

Speaker 17 (44:50):
Well, I think the issue you have is that, so
publishing a New Zealand is a really small industry. I
think we employ about five hundred people, give or take,
and many of those people are illustrators and designers, and
we need them to make our books compelling and to
sell our books so that people so that they're beautiful,

(45:11):
so that people want to pick them up, you know,
picking up a cover. You know, everybody does judge a
book by its cover, that old edge. So unless we
support everybody in that publishing ecosystem, then we are going
to shrink and we won't have those people. So we
need to support them, even if it's just you know,
even if the cover may seem tangentdental to a fiction

(45:32):
writing award, it's all part of the same ecosystem.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
To remember that person that I was trying to get
you to do, I had a friend that I want
to do the cover from my book, and you spent
hundreds of hours trying to track them down to it.
He can probably leave the ecosystem there, guy.

Speaker 17 (45:50):
Yeah, but then we spound someone else, didn't we And
we did pay.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Her and she was fantastic and it was a good cover,
very good cover. Yeah, she did beautiful work. Just last
question from me, Michelle's so clearly you're quite you know,
you've got expertise picking up AI writing is GBT and
the like? Is it just are they? Is it a
terrible writers in that you you can see when it's
soulless and you can see that it doesn't have that
human touch. Is that something you can pick up pretty readily?

Speaker 20 (46:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (46:18):
I think how to know, isn't it? I think it
depends what you're what you're talking about. Are you talking
about a report? You know, you know, structure this report
that I have to send to my shareholders you know,
it's probably really effective at something like that, But when
you're trying to create something new, which is at the
heart of it, which is what book publishing is about,
it's creating something new and original, then I think that's

(46:42):
that's the key difference and hopefully we can still spot that.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah, Michelle, I might be out of a job too.
Michelle has been really great chatting with you. Thank you
very much for coming on.

Speaker 17 (46:53):
Pleasure.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
That is Michelle Hurley. She a spokesperson for the Publishers
Association of New Zealand and helps you out mate with
your book that has done very well.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I've got to say she is fantastic yeah's and a
fantastic editor.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah right. It is a quarter past two coming up.
After the break, we're going to put the old AI
chat to bed. That was a great discussion, but we've
had so many texts about this we need to get
into it. This is after around twelve hundred are New
Zealand cabin crew have voted to strike a mid pay dispute.
They say they're roughly sixty grand base salary no longer
affects the demands of the job or the rising costs.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yes, so historically speaking, it's been seen as a very
very glamorous job. I mean literally a jet setting job.
But as bad as Michael Wood and the itte Union
are saying it is, we'd love to hear from air hostesses, hosts,
Stuart's and attendance.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, come on through, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
What is it really like? Is it a great job?
Do you love? At nine two ninety two is a
text number quarter past.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Two your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Very good, afternoon jive. It is eighteen past two. So
we've asked the question, what is it like to be crew,
flight attendant? Air host? Is I eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. It's on the back of twelve hundred
workers potentially looking to strike, they say at the moment
the conditions are unfair.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Is it still the glamorous job that people like me
imagine it to be or is it as bad a
job as Michael Wood and the two Union said. As
this text, Alesa says it's a great job, but don't
be filled exams to stay current in the fighting fires,
evacuating an aircraft, dealing with unruler intoxicated passengers. Oh my god,
that must be the worst job at first add emergencies,
there's no calling one one one, The crew must deal

(48:40):
with it in the air. The extra allowances keep in mind,
flying to New York City, where a latte is twelve
dollars New Zealand doesn't make this any extra stream of revenue.
It's only to cover costs incurred well away from home.
It's a lot more than just tea and coffee and
handing out lallies. Crew have great skills beyond customer services,
diffusing of situations, situational awareness, medical training, and the ability

(49:03):
to use all the emergency equipment on the aircraft. They
deserve to be recognized for the responsibilities required and harsh
shift work hours.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
So from from the outside, I look at my friends
that are flight attendants internationally, and there's a lot of
Instagram photos from exotic locations, as you would, and there's
a lot of time off in these other cities and
put up in nice hotels and such. So from my
from my outside perspective, it looks great. But yeah, I mean,

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you have to be there's no doubt their level of
skill and a little level of tolerance.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Oh, they have to deal with some stuff. And as
their text to said, you can't go anywhere, you can't die.
One one one oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number? Kate?

Speaker 3 (49:45):
You've been a flight attendant for you spent ten years
as a flight attendant?

Speaker 15 (49:48):
Is that right?

Speaker 21 (49:50):
Yeah, just a little bit over.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
And are you still a flight attendant or have you
you hung up.

Speaker 21 (49:55):
Your No, not anymore. I hung up my range about
five years ago.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Oh yes, And why was that? What did you Why
did you get out of the game, Kate?

Speaker 21 (50:06):
It was just done for me.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
I was.

Speaker 21 (50:09):
I just really needed some more time off and sometimes
the flexibility couldn't help.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Were you international? Yes, and so do when you're international,
you have a variety of different locations that you go
to destinations, don't you. You don't just do the same one
over and again.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Is that correct?

Speaker 21 (50:29):
Yeah, that's correct. So it's all over ale. We get
a roster. So I was international and domestic, So I
flew across the Australia island and the domestic fleet obviously operated. Yeah,
if you were out every day was a little bit different.
It could be just a christ return or it could

(50:49):
be a full set today or after Rahra I'm back now.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
It sounds glamorous. That part of it, the going overseas
and did you do the really long haul ones to
to you know, the States and Europe and such.

Speaker 21 (51:03):
Okay, No, I didn't didn't really tickle my fancy and
I paid well. I didn't really want to change my
kind of money incomes flow.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Do they look after you when it comes to because clearly,
as you say, there's you know, the flexibility issues there
and you're traveling outside of the country for quite you know,
a few days a week. Do they look after you
in terms of hours worked? Will you get the rest?
How long you stand a destination that sort of thing.

Speaker 21 (51:31):
Oh, one hundred percent. Yeah, there's huge contractual restrictions around it.
Also how long you can work in a certain amount
of time, how long and between shifts you need to have,
how long kind of in base versus imports. And then
there's restrictions onto what can happen within a distruct situation

(51:52):
as well.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Is part of that to do with radiation? Have I
misunderstood something that you can only be in the sky so.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Much of the time.

Speaker 21 (52:02):
I believe yes, but no, it's more I think I
believe CIA requirements they'll be like and then a matter
of what you can do, and then it's whatever contracts
is negotiated beyond that. So however that kind of sets
so you didn't.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Do the big long ones.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
But the people that I see in New York, they
seem to have two three days off in New York
before they fly back.

Speaker 21 (52:23):
That correct, Yeah, and that'll be a contractual requirement, so
depending on what was negotiated during that period.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
So it's a union is saying that the average guaranteed
base salary cited is sixty thousand dollars, which that they
say is does not reflect the nature of the work.
So that's the base salary. What other allowances are above that?
And how long you're on sixty thousand dollars?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Is that where you start? Is it easy to move
up from there?

Speaker 21 (52:50):
Look, I guess being five years out of the game,
things probably have changed. But I think the contracts come
up for negotiation potentially these three years we may see
in percentage increases across that. So from a base level
up until like the year after to the year after
kind of thing that may cap three years and above

(53:10):
I can't quite remember the structure of the table, but
once you're kind of at that cap, so I guess
you might go up. But they also have todd allowances,
so to our duty allowances, which you get on top
of a certain amount every hour you're away from home,
which can accumulate while you're overseas as well. So you
pull into somewhere for four days, you're paid until your

(53:33):
arm blocks back home.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
So if sixty thousand dollars and you know you said
to have been out of there, you know what what
sort of what sort of levels can you get up
to in the in the.

Speaker 21 (53:43):
Profession, there's loads of I mean, you could definitely over
one hundred ks who would get one hundred beyond? And
would that be included allowances? So that's not your salary?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Does it? Does it go up when you go to
business or first class? Is that an a sort of
higher salary bracket?

Speaker 21 (54:07):
Can't quite remember because because I wasn't operating on that fleet,
so I'm not too sure.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, did you have to deal with many unruly things
on your flights during your time?

Speaker 21 (54:18):
I had a few. Yeah, I was pretty lucky, but
I definitely had a few. Yeah, And friends have had
some ones. Definitely. It's a good topic of conversation.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yeah, I bet it is. You would have some stories.
So good lifestyle obviously, you know, the having to be
away from home so much got you in the end.
But it was a good lifestyle, great.

Speaker 21 (54:40):
Like meet the best people. Course, it's just a really cool,
cool business. And you really missed the disguise. I think
if if I could have a kind of different schedule,
it would be something that I wouldn't have left. But
the other people are amazing that.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Some of the passengers are obviously punishing.

Speaker 21 (54:59):
Yeah, do you know what? The majority are good?

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Can you spot them when they get in on the plane?
The ones who are going to be a little bit
of trouble obviously if they've had a skilled Now.

Speaker 21 (55:08):
I had a really good one once where we were
waiting and we saw someone kind of misbehaving in the
lounge and loopped on the plane and thinking, oh god,
you know our poor crew and yeah, and then I
kind of look up and I'm like, oh no, it's ours.

Speaker 5 (55:26):
Oh God.

Speaker 21 (55:27):
So that was a bit of fun having to kind
of turn that situation around and get them off board.
But it was the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Yeah, well, thanks so much for your call, Kate. This
Texas is just one second. Hey, guys, as far as
flight attendants go, I can appreciate it difficult their job
would be. It's about time, buddy, New Zealand pull their
fingers out and their backs are out of their backsides
and pay more money the amount that they charge you
to fly anywhere in the country, let alone of seas.

(55:57):
I cannot understand why they're not comprecending their staff better.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Thanks Simon, keep those teachs coming through on nine two
nine two. And if you've worked in the industry, love
to get your thoughts on what the lifestyle was like.
Do you agree with a lot of what Kate was saying?
And is it, you know, for lack of a better word,
a young person's game to do while you're young and
you don't need to be at home so often. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to
call twenty six past two.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
On Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons? Call Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Z'd be for a good afternoons. You're twenty nine past
two and we are talking about flight attendants. What does
it actually like being a flight attendant. They are considering
going on strike, twelve hundred of them because they say
that conditions are not fair currently. But what is the
lifestyle like.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
It's interesting beginning a bunch of text through saying we're
not allowed to talk to media. We're not allowed to
talk to media about the condition.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
I hate when organizations do that. Oh, you know in
New Zealand it's done a lot of good things. But
come on, you can't stop your workers from talking to
the media.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Well you should, because Michael wood is talking smack about you. Yeah,
he's saying that you're a terrible employee and that people
should walk off their jobs.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
So, you know, defend yourself. So of course, shoot his
mouth off any which way.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Michael wad is just throwing stones at you. He's abusing
the hell out of you. He's saying it's a terrible job.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
You're going to take that to New Zealands eighty ten
and eighty if you're listening.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Guy sixty two k is the base salary? To make
a considered decision, we need to know what is the highest,
what is the lowest, and what is the average. Obviously
everyone earns over the base salary. Yeah, that's what we
need to know. So he's saying the base salary, which
is misleading from from the to union because you know,
for people as a public to make a decision on
whether it's a good job or not, then we need
to know what what they actually get, what the benefits are,

(57:44):
what what the perks are, what the whole thing is.
So you know, but base salary is a very confusing number.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Oh yeah, like a salesperson to get a base salary
of thirty k, but you're.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Not because this person here is you discussed me. Could
you live on nine hundred and twenty three dollars per week?
That's yeah, but that's the base, But that's the base.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Yeah, exactly if you can, If you can, you know what,
I could live on nine hundred and twenty three dollars
a week.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I think anyone could live on it. I mean, thrivings
are different, but you can definitely get by on nine
hundred and twenty three dollars.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
No for else, Yeah, absolutely, I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
If you can provide some insight into the extras that
are provided above that sixty k base salary, love to
hear from you.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Base salary long haul is fifty eight eight hundred. Most
long haul flights only have one night overseas asure is
barely twenty four hours. JFK has only two nights a
one clear day off not many days. Old school crew
are on over one hundred K, but not the majority
of new crew that started post COVID. Yeah, but there
is also you've got to mention those sweet friends and

(58:42):
well freep family and you know holiday benefits.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
The buddy flights. Yeah, your buddy flights are amazing. What
a perk I eighte hundred eighty ten eighty. And if
you've got a family member who's a flight attendant as well,
love to hear from you. Perhaps it's your partner, your husband,
or your wife or a family member. How hard is
it to have them away so much? But what is
the lifestyle like? And if you're a husband or wife
of someone who does that, then you get cheap flights
to anywhere?

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Right, guys, have you ever thought that the strike thing
is just as much to do with the old kicked
out labour MP leading these unions.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
If we just go up, so will ticket prices? Yps
use Brent, Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot in that, right,
give us a bar zo one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Well, okay, okay, we've got we've got we've got a
current current cabin crew person that's sending through anonymously. So
we'll and we've got a few of those coming through now.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Thank you very much, Raillians. We are talking about flight attendants.
They are looking down the barrel of strike action. But
can you hear from you if you've ever been a
flight attendant, you have a flight attendant in the family,
What is the job actually like?

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Well, this Tessa has a flight attendant in the family.
My daughter flies for a great airline. She gets sixty
five K basic pay, fly long hauler all over the world.
She spends up for five days on her journey, four
hundred US per day. When you arrive at your generation
destination and a world class hotel. Been everywhere from China
to South America, South Africa. Also it's cheap family to

(01:01:17):
fly Auckland to Spore.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah, what that means Spain, Singapore, Spoor, explore the music festival.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Yeah, if you can text back and say how a
coast one hundred and fifty dollars to fly Auckland to spare.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yeah, wherever it is sounds like a good deal. But
I don't know how far away Spore is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
But there go sixty five basic and four hundred dollars
a day for four hundred US a day when they arrive.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
At the destination. That is very good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
It sounds better than what Michael Woods is saying. Simon
your thoughts on this.

Speaker 22 (01:01:49):
Yeah, hey, boys, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Very good? Thank you for calling Samon good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:01:54):
Look, I sent her a text a bit earlier on
just about flight attendance. And you know, at the end
of the day, one of the biggest issues that I
have with anything that anybody does in this country, particularly
is the lack of money that they pay people. You know,
we look at flight attendants. It's not like getting on
a bus where you're relying on a bus driver to
take you from A to B. These people have skills

(01:02:16):
that we require you get off the ground. You cannot
get off that plane you're on it. And I think
those people in their roles are crucial. I've flown quite
a few times and my wife is a bit of
a panic fly, and I can tell you they in
their roles and what they do is amazing. They calm

(01:02:36):
her down, they put her at ease. They've always got
a light attitude, so they're never for somebody like her
who tends to get a bit worried about leaving the ground.
As such, she needs somebody that can reassure it. And
these people do flying all the time, so they understand it.
And it's a I guess it's one of those things

(01:02:57):
where you have to get your head around the understanding
that all of these people want to get home. They've
got a job to do and they're there to make
you safe, keep you comfortable and your fly. I've been
through some pretty heary, scary landings where we've had to
come at quite a fast rate, and I just can't

(01:03:20):
I can't say enough for how these guys operate. And
when you think about the money and they're complaining about
I guess the hours and everything else that they're doing.
I can't see it being a normal forty hour week.
So I'm thinking that they've probably got a good argument
in New Zealand and the prices that they're charging. And

(01:03:40):
we're currently looking at heading overseas at the moment, and
I just cannot believe that the sort of money that
we're paying. And the argument is it costs a lot
to fly a plane, costs a lot to fuel it. Well,
it must cost a lot to have staff who are
confident that can take care of emergency situations, etc.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
At the time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Yeah, so there's no doubt that there's skills, the phenomenal
skills across the board. There's so many things that can
go wrong and there's so many people that can go
wrong on a plane. Do you think part of the
problem for it, for the profession is that because of
its glamorous image and people want to travel, especially young
people might want to spend a bunch of time in
New York or you know, before you have families and

(01:04:18):
when it become really complicated. But you think part of
the problem is so many people want to do it
because it's the places are hard to get, so so
many probably want to do it for the perks that
the pressure you know, to pay more is not on
the companies the airlines.

Speaker 22 (01:04:34):
Yeah, well there could be that, but I mean it's
a pretty dumb argument if you look at it from
that point of view, because I think, you know, just
the skill base. I mean, you know, you guys raised
before about if there's a medical event on a plane
or something like that. I mean, as a as a
member of the public, you know, it would freak me
out walking down the street and having to help somebody
that they needed help, you know, and there's been discussions

(01:04:56):
on the radio about that before. So these people are literally.

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
They had no help.

Speaker 22 (01:05:00):
There's no calling ambulance, there's no you know, there's no
way that they've got anyone but themselves to rely on.
And that that's when a team really needs to kick in.
You know, you might have two hundred plus people on
a plane. You've got to keep them calm. You've got
to deal with the situation that's in.

Speaker 11 (01:05:14):
Front of you.

Speaker 22 (01:05:15):
I couldn't imagine, you know, the sort of we've all
watched the movies, but I couldn't imagine the sort of
stress that would be put on you if the situation
did develop and you're thirty thousand feet in the year
and halfway across an ocean somewhere. I mean, when little
value do you put on that?

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
When when there's bad turbulence or there's something happening with
a plane, do you look into the flight assistant's eyes
and see if they I'm always checking out if they're behaving.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Normally or not. They look relaxed. It's all good. Yes, yeah,
it's relaxed.

Speaker 22 (01:05:45):
And my seatbelts on and I'm just going, okay, throwing
another movie on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, they've got an under control to look at.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
They've got to deal with one hundreds hundred or so
terrified eyes looking at them for reassurance.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Yeah, yeah, up, it's all good, exactly, just quickly, Simon.
I mean, look, all I can think about here is
you make some very very good arguments, but it all
comes back to what we pay to travel, right, So
does it come back to us as consumers that if
it is as you say, it's quite a skilled job
for many and if they want to see it as
a career long term, then maybe we have to accept

(01:06:20):
we have to pay more to travel on a plane.

Speaker 22 (01:06:24):
Look, I totally agree with that, but when you look
at the cost, I mean you only have to jump online.
Look at how much cost to try and get from
walk on the Queenstown and back. I mean you're paying
more to do that than flying to Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
I just flew the Queenstown last weekend. Simon, it was insane.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
How much can you say?

Speaker 11 (01:06:39):
How much?

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
I don't even want to think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
So that's that's four figures at least for the two
of us return. Yeah, oh man, definitely, it's crazy. I
can do my brother cheaper. Yeah, And it's nuts.

Speaker 22 (01:06:53):
And so you are asking people to jump on a
plane and basically, you know, take control of the plane
to head from New Zealand to another destination, another land
rather than our own country, and it costs more. So
you know, I think to myself, you're already paying a
substantial amount of money any way to the airlines to
do all this sort of stuff. And it's really up
to them. I'm a business owner, and it's up to

(01:07:13):
them to figure out, you know, the best way forward
for their staff. And if it costs a little bit
more to keep that service level and things go, you
got to pay it.

Speaker 15 (01:07:22):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:07:23):
That's just the world.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
That's yeah, thanks so much, Simon, appreciate it. Good thoughts
are the one hundred and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Fifty dollars family tickets that was to Singapore, not Explore.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Oh right, okay, that makes much more sense.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
They got spell checked from Singapore to explore.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Yeah, yes, very good, which is unfortunate. That's a good
deal to Singapore. By the one hundred and fifty bucks.
I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you've got a family member or you're
yourself for a flight attendant, or have been a flight attendant.
Love to hear how it was as a job. And
coming up after we play some messages, we will have
a chat to a partner of a flight attendant.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
And here's just a text. Being a flight attendant is
a lifestyle choice. Getting paid to see the world is a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Pretty big staff benefit, nicely said seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoon call, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty youth talk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Said fourteen to three, And we are talking about flight attendants,
Kevin crew, what is the job? I actually like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Guys, here's a little fact that many people won't know.
In New Zealand pay four million dollars a day for fuel.
It's for Michael yeah, and probably not Michael Wood from
the year to union. That's a different Michael, I imagine. Yeah,
So four million dollars a day in fuel quite a
few days in a year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Yeah, they got a lot of out going around sixty
five yeah, yeah, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
set number of call, Mimi?

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Is is that if I pronounce your name right, Mimi? Yeah,
me me, Mimi. Welcome to the show. So you've got
a partner who's a flight attendant I have.

Speaker 6 (01:08:50):
He's actually away at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Right, And is he international?

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
He's international, he's been fined for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
And you continue so hello, Oh we just got a
bit of a gap there, Mimi. Yeah, yeah, sorry, just
got a bit of a delay. So I sure. I
think you were just about to say, it's a great.

Speaker 6 (01:09:12):
Life, it's a great lifestyle. Yes, it's afforded us a
great lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Right, So he gets paid well, he does.

Speaker 6 (01:09:23):
In the grand scheme of things. Yes, it's you know,
time off that we can go off and do things.
I go on trips with him, and we've done some
great life experiences because of his job.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
What's the tough part about it? Mimi? You're just about saying, yes,
it's tough. Is that because he's away quite a lot?

Speaker 6 (01:09:43):
Sometimes that can be that can be hard, But you're
up to that. You know, after all these years, something happens,
you get onto it, you knowed and sorry, my partner
and I actually met on a flight years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Your attendant sorry was he was? He your flight attendant
and you met on the flight when he was serving you?

Speaker 20 (01:10:08):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Oh that's a romantic story.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Wow, how do you pick up the flight attendant?

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
Yeah? Well that's a long story. But anyway, Yeah, we
got some time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Did he slip you? Did he slip you his number?

Speaker 23 (01:10:25):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:10:27):
No, I don't think he did, right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
I'm intrigued by the start of your story.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
We meet up later later in life.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Okay, all right, bless and so so you must spend
quite a bit of time on your own though, uh.

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
Used to do Yeah, and that's right, you know, yeah,
you just you just got used to it over time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
And how long has been doing it? How long has
he been doing it?

Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
Form around around twenty years?

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
And is he getting is he getting fatigued on it
at all? Because there's a few people saying it's all
right for a while, but then it starts to starts
to get to you.

Speaker 6 (01:11:14):
No, lot, Hey, there's some long flights and you know,
days off and you si can come home angry a bit,
but you know, a few days at home amoone the
lawns and having a few beers. He's he's already goes
back into you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Oh he sounds like a good man. So the you know,
I know them as buddy flights. Maybe they've got a
different name, but obviously that has it's a nice perk
for you guys and you as well to be able
to travel to many exotic places.

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
Oh, absolutely absolutely. And it allows our children to travel
and our grandchildren. And yeah, it's a very generous perk.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
So how many how many people in his circle or
get these reduced flights.

Speaker 6 (01:12:00):
Just well I get to travel with him, yea. And
then there's then there's nine buddy passes, but our children
and children you should take those off, right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
How good? And is that flying stand by or do
you actually get the tickets?

Speaker 6 (01:12:15):
No, it's stand by?

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Yeah. So is that of a.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
Backfight on you the standby? Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:12:20):
Once twice?

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Yeah, yeah, But I mean it's so much cheaper, it's I.

Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
Mean, it's such a wonderful thing to be able to
take your children and your grandchildren the way to different
destinations and for them to experience the world.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Well, thank you so much for calling in. So there
you go very well for mem that's the positive side
of things. Yeah, absolutely right, Oh one hundred and eighty.
Ten eighty is that number to call back in a
mode ten to three.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news Talks'd.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Be News Talk'd b seven to three of the six
says Michael would just put a hit out on Mimi.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Now it sounds about it right, but someone was saying,
please remember there are two contracts in long haul Mimmy's
partners obviously on the old contract that pays very well.
Very few on that contract now only about a hun
undred and eighty. This is an interesting text. Hey, guys
in New Zealand has said labor is the biggest cost
in fuelers at Second Kevin, crew pay in New Zealand
doesn't reflect the responsibility of the role or match overseas rates.

(01:13:18):
But with these major cost pressures, the real question is
what would consumers be willing to give up through higher
faars or reduce services to pay crew what they're worth GSV.
I mean that's always the problem. I mean, there's no
one questioning that air crews don't do a fantastic job
and they're incredibly skilled individuals, but also people are already
wondering about how much they pay exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Yeah, it's a tough problem. Eli. How are you Hi,
Nice to chat with you. So you used to work
for Emirates, says flight crew.

Speaker 19 (01:13:50):
Yeah, thanks to be Kevin crew for Emerates. They started
as prior to COVID, so it might have changed a
bit power but yeah, that he came out and they
did they do sort of like an interfessional recruitment drive,
and they came to New Zealand and they did one
of the recruitment dates here and hundreds of us that

(01:14:10):
went to the recruitment day and yeah, a few of
us got selected. And then you have to move to Dubai.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
How good.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Well, well, so you have to base yourself out of
Dubai if your Emmerates crew.

Speaker 19 (01:14:20):
Yeah, so all Emirates crew are based in Dubai. Your
accommodation is included as part of your package, so you
don't pay for accommodations. You basically live in the staff
accommodations they do. You can live separate right in your
own place, but you've got to little fly and get
ax from means to that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Yeah, so you can't go out on the booze? What
can you in Dubai you.

Speaker 15 (01:14:43):
Have to be I mean you can, Yeah, I don't
know you can.

Speaker 19 (01:14:46):
Oh yeah, there's got quite a bit of party.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
By a right good to know. And and how was
the job?

Speaker 19 (01:14:55):
Uh, it's a hard job, like I think, I think
it's I mean, I don't doubt it's really challenging for
Crewe and New Villains as well. But I think pretty
much you're doing a huge amount when you're playing remmemorates
being the golf being the center of the world, and
then you're kind of just going all over the place

(01:15:15):
and going to both the northern and southern humors for
a deliver like that. Honestly, the the health impact your
body as the reason I stopped I'm doing it. It's
so hard on your body.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Did Emirates look after you? I mean, I'll fly on
Emirates once and it was a phenomenal whirligine. Did they
pay well, Yeah, it's okay.

Speaker 19 (01:15:35):
Like your income and buys text free. It was just fantastic.
And then a lot of perks and yeah, the flight
flight perks are amazing, So like you fly stand by
ninety percent off.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Wow, that's that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Yeah, well, thank you so much. But the news is
coming in fast.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
That was the sextasies. Matt Have you joined the mile
high Club? What's that got to do with the chair? Oh?
Come on, just answer the question, mate, have a thing
about it. And maybe after three o'clock, but I'm a
telling to go out to the news. He's thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Maybe your new home for Instateful and Entertaining Talk. It's
Mattie and Tyer Adams afternoons on Youth Talk Zebby.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
News TALKSB Welcome back into the program. Seven past three.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
We're just gonna move on from flights. But tell you
who's ruthless. It's the people that security check your bags,
your checked luggage for batteries and such. So I lost
a power pack on the way down to Queen's down
the weekend and you just get a little form saying
they've taken it. There's no returning it. And I get
that on a was a charging phone thing. I know
that's in the rules. I've said it's not in there,

(01:17:00):
but they're ruthless. And then on the way back and
I just left tiny little earbuds in there. It's really good,
new technical ones.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
What are they called.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
I've lost them now. They're fantastic. They're like the best
earbuds I've ever had. Yeah, well what are they anyway,
Not that it matters, but they're the techniques ah As
one hundred adeptive.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Noise canceling headphones sound real good.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Two hundred and ninety eight bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
They took them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
They took them, Oh mate, they took up No, no, no, sorry,
it was the techniqus Azy one hundred true wireless noise
canceling earbuds. Anyway, but they went through and they just
leave a little card and they'd sort of scribbled on
it ear plugs instead of earbuds and taken them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
So that so they must I don't know. I'd be
interested to know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Do they scan and detect that you've got a battery
left in there? And look, I get I'm not angry
at them, because you know you don't want those fires
starting in a plane, do you, And it's clearly in
the rules, and you click the thing and you say,
I don't have any of those batteries. But earbuds, you
just they can end up in a pocket and your
jeans or whatever. But it's ruthless how they just disappear.
They're not taking them home?

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Are they you're a good man, I'd be I'd be livid.
I got I got pissed off when they took my
double A batteries And what are they like? A couple
of two and ninety five bugs with the EarPods three
hundred twenty eighth out from the good people and Noel
leaving some security officer has got some nice EarPods.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Now, yeah, I mean, what's what is the policy on that?
Do they just tip them out? Because I think I
prefer that the person that took them out used them. Yeah,
then them just being thrown in the rubbish?

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Is that highly corrupt though? I mean, that's flying into
U gandras. I will tell you I said.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
That I didn't have any of those things when I
when I checked my legs. You go through and you
report it, right, Yeah, So my annoying it is to
lose them. I've I've broken the contract. And you know,
when those things go up, they keep burning, could be
a disaster and the last thing you want to do
is be on a plane that's on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Yeah, yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
So is it any better if they just throw them
in the rubbish, isn't it? Isn't it better that you've
got some security guard walking around with a sweet pair
of headphones. That's better than them being in the rubbish? Yeah,
because either way they have to take them out for safety.

Speaker 15 (01:18:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Remember those police auctions. I think they still got them
where they'll have an auction for all the things that
they've taken. That's what they should do, right, Can you
go down and buy some cocaine or something. I think
if the price is right, you know, you're the highest bidder.
But yeah, maybe that's what they should do. It's just
have an auction at the end of each year and
everything they've taken. Matt, you can get them back. Call
the airport. They hold them for seven days. Ah okay,

(01:19:18):
this is good news. Okay, and she if anyone's out
there listening, just wring them right now and say you're
Matt Heathen. Head down before Matt, and you can just
have some free air pods. He's quickly trying to figure out,
I keep the little forms. Ah, yeah, you go, mate,
three hundred and twenty eight dollars worth of airports that's
still yours. Oh okay, all right, I'll give them ring
all right, good, then it's good news. You've made his day.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
I tell you what winging pays off.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Yeah, it certainly does. Winging pays off as all it
comes through and the oracle is again the text machine
oracle comes through. All right, All right, let's put that
one to bed because we want to get into this one.
It's a great story about Obviously, Metallica is on tonight,
a lot of people very excited about a lot of
bogans in town. Kerry Woodam just came in before actually
and she was surprised by how many people are fizzed
up for Metallica.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Yes, so there's something like forty thousand bids being bocked
in Auckland of people coming from out of town for Metallica. Yeah,
quite a few people coming up the motorway from Hamilton
I mentioned, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
But we want to sort of focus in on the
VIP experiences. So the VIP experience at Metallica tonight, if
you've been lucky to secure it at costs just under
four grand, but it included everything an exclusive viewing area,
a meet and greet and photo with two bad members,
a backstage two, a pre show party, where you get
free drinks, Cannape's Priority lines, exclusive merch, and a recording

(01:20:35):
of the concert. Wow, the snake Pet experience they called it.
And how much is that? That's four grand? So I
think I think the bulk of that has actually made
up with the meat and Greek because then the next
tier down is just under one thousand dollars nine hundred
and ninety eight bucks, and that offers you access to
the snake Pet, the pre show party, some merch in
the show audio, but no band interaction.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Yeah right, so if there's two of you, that's eight
thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
But you know, if you've been a lifetime Metallica fan,
pretty good to meet the band, wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Hire. I mean for a lot of people, that would
be a once in a lifetime situation. And if you love,
you know something, because like Metallica as much as some
people do, that would be money well spent.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Yeah, so it'd be interesting to hear, you know, how
you feel after you've spent as a couple eight thousand
dollars and you know, yeah, you shake James he James
Hetfield hand you maybe, I don't know, you're a selfie
with a Kirk Hammett. You know, yeah, maybe you just
walked past Lars. I don't know who you like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
In the band my one hundred eighty ten eighty VP experiences.
Have you done it and was it worth the money generally? Though? Mate?
Would you? Could you think of someone you would pay
four grand to have away a we meet with?

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
If I could, if David Bowie was still alive, yep,
that would be like meeting a god. Maybe like meeting
a person that's beyond human. Yeah, that would be incredible.
I mean, I'll be lucky in my life that I've
managed got to interview a lot of these these people.
I got to meet a Beatle. I interviewed Paul McCartney.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
That was pretty much. That would have been huge. Yeah,
he's almost a god himself. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
But I've been in these VIP packages because I've got
one of my favorite podcasters is coming to town, the
Modern Wisdom guy, Chris Williamson, and there's these VIP meet
and greet packages. But I'm like, you know, I'll go
and send the crowd. I don't know do I need
to pay insane amount of money to meet a podcaster?

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
I don't know how much FaceTime do you get with them?
Is it literally just high? I'm such and such, shake
their hand, take a photo, and then move on. Oh eight,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
if you've done VIP experiences before, love to hear how
it went and who was it?

Speaker 7 (01:22:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
What are they like?

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
What is it like?

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Meaning the band and the band into it? Are they
not into it? Is it worth paying these kind of
huge amounts of money to get these VIP packages?

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
After the break as well, I will mention I don't
know if I'll name names, maybe I will, but it
was someone who used to work on this radio station
and he paid a heck of a lot of money
to meet Britney Spears. I'll tell you how much he paid.
It was ridiculous. It was crazy how much he paid. Really, yeah,
I'll tell you how much after the break it it's
thirteen bars three.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
I don't think I pay more than fifteen bucks to
meet Britney Spears.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Was more than that. His talks'd be afternoon to you.
Sixteen passed three. So we're talking about VIP experiences meet
and greets as well. We've ever paid to meet a hero,
whether that was a musician or whether it was someone
who was performing a speaking event. I had one hundred
and eighty ten eighty is number.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Was it worth it? Was it worth the money? Because
doesn't it just better to go to a concert and
sit there and enjoy the music and as an audience
member when you have to add and all that meeting
your hero's business, this Texas is I paid big money
for a VIP meet and Greek never again. The artists
who I won't mention because I'm still a fan, they
looked terrible, small and wrinkly. I don't want to feel

(01:23:44):
sorry for my heroes.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Now, just quickly before we get to the phones and
the Texas I mentioned there was someone that used to
work on this station went to go see Britney Spears
and paid a ridiculous amount of money to meet her.
So it was in Las Vegas when she was doing
what do they call it when they stay in Las
Vegas and they got contracts residency? Yeah, right, So she
had a residency and he went over there and without
a word of a lie to meet Britney Spears. It

(01:24:08):
was just one photo and one and done. Hi, I'm
such and such high on Brittany. Here's your photo bugger
off and she was probably high as well. Yeah, yep,
seven thousand dollars that might have actually been US money
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Seven thousand to meet Britney.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Spears for less than thirty seconds. Wow, that's some crazy money.
And did this person think it was with it? He did? Actually?

Speaker 11 (01:24:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
And so was he a big Britney Spears for massive
Britney Spears for I mean she's had some good songs.
How can you be a massive Britney Spears then? I
mean poison?

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Great song? Yeah, yeah, great song. I don't know this.
I mean people will know potentially who he was, but
knew all the moves. I couldn't understand it. I don't know. Ah,
he's been seven k to meet Britney Spears, but he
loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Nick, you paid VIP for the Dixie checks?

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
How was it?

Speaker 15 (01:24:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:24:53):
It was amazing. Front row seats eight hundred dollars a ticket,
no meets, and Greek got merchandise. Was amazing. Another one
was Leonard Cohen. Oh wow, I can't I don't remember
how much. The tickets were very very We're in the

(01:25:13):
front row with Mike Hoskins.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Well that's that's that's some pretty special tickets. Was that
on the ticket price, you'll be near.

Speaker 8 (01:25:21):
My I would pay four I would pay four grand
to meet and reek Cold play easy easy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Well there's someone in the studio mate that did go
and meet Cold Blay.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
All you've got to do is do a positive review
and in my case, they'll invite you to the pre
show circle and.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Up on stage.

Speaker 8 (01:25:42):
Chris Martin, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
That's right, what a lovely chap he was too. Hey,
yeah with with with Did you meet Leonard Cohen?

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:25:50):
No, but we were front row seat?

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
And was that at spark Arena.

Speaker 8 (01:25:54):
He was very he was a really Yeah, he was
a really old man. At the end of the show,
he was very, very tired. Right, but you see he
put everything into the show, and the musos would just
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
A great content.

Speaker 24 (01:26:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
I saw them at Sparkering and that that blew my
mind how good the band was. It's about the best band.

Speaker 8 (01:26:16):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Yeah did you go? Yeah? Did you hear that?

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
He had that great speech where he said he was
talking about his drummer. I can't mean we see he goes.
But drummer doesn't just lay down the beat. He he
dates the beat. He takes the beat home with him.
He showers the beat. He said, I can't remember the
exec words, but there was this beautiful speech about how
great the drummer was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
It was so classic.

Speaker 8 (01:26:36):
Yeah, it was a class all the way.

Speaker 9 (01:26:38):
And the tensy chicks were bloody good.

Speaker 7 (01:26:43):
That was in Spark Arena.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And and so so you
you swear.

Speaker 8 (01:26:49):
By the Mission. We saw them Mission of State three
or four years before they came to Auckland, and they
were they were really good there, but then the Augron
show just blew my mind, was just so good.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
So you swear by that because are you going with
the partner?

Speaker 8 (01:27:12):
Yeah, my wife and I went.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
So that's like sixteen hundred dollars for the two of you,
right absolutely, And with.

Speaker 8 (01:27:18):
The price of tickets, the price of tickets are really jumped.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
And what did you get for that neck? So obviously
you got Premiere City right off the front. You got
some merch.

Speaker 8 (01:27:28):
Yeah yeah, we got two t shirts, We got a
Dixie Chick bag each, we got a program that was
pretty useless, and we got and then we've got I
think we got wine glasses, classic wine glasses that said
the Dixie checks on them.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
It's not bad. Still got those not yeah, nope, no, no,
no fair enough. Yeah, but no. It sounds like, look,
if you love the Dixie Checks and Leonard Cohen and
a lot of people do. Sounds like it was well
worth the money.

Speaker 11 (01:28:00):
Neck.

Speaker 8 (01:28:02):
I would spend six k just to meet Chris Martin.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
The problem the price is going up. I started at
four and now you're at sex. Well, tell you what
I can tell you if you meet him. He's a
good cuddler.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
He gave me a big, big hug and it was
purely because I gave gave the concert a good review
on my cost ging and he said to me as
having a bad day, and then then he heard this
guy reviewing it and saying how good the show was,
and it made his day. So he got his people
to reach out to me to come along and gave
me the VIP experience. Me and my partner Tracy, we

(01:28:33):
were in the huddle with the whole band before before
we went on.

Speaker 9 (01:28:36):
Were you in the marsh or were you backstage?

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
Backstage?

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
And then just before they went on, and he stood
around and goes, this is this is Matthew and Tracy.
And I was having a rough day, as you know,
and Matthew he kept calling Matthew. No one calls Matthew,
but I let it slow, that's great and go all right, okay, yeah,
I got on your I think a lot of people
wanted to me to stop that story.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Oh it's a hell of an experience, mate, you are.
It's a nas getting mat Thank you very much. One
hundred and eighty ten eighty your best VIP experience you've had? Oh,
you know, if you've met someone that was a bit
of an idol to you, hero to you? How what
was it like?

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Hey, boys, I want to meet and greet with the
Dandy Warholes. Great band when they played at the power Station.
Was a huge fan from the nineties. Was so disappointed.
Lead singer was that guy Courtneys and their lead singer
was rude so and so, and the drum was so
drunk he wasn't really speaking English anymore. Glad I didn't
pay for the experience, Jeers Jason, The Dandy Warholes, great band,
great recording band, but terrible life.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
And yeah, were they too loose?

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
They just clearly well I think they're big marijuana enthusiasts,
and sometimes they can just get right back into the
pocket and not really perform.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
In the two times I've seen them, like, oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call? It's
twenty two past three, bag very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on used talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Twenty five past three. So we're talking about VIP experiences?
Is it worth the money? The six is wow?

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Disgustingtruggling with your comment. How could you be a massive
fan of Britney Spears? How could you say such a thing?

Speaker 15 (01:30:12):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
No fan?

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
But gee, because there's massive fans of her, have been
for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
How could you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
Say such a thing being sarcastic about Britney Spears. Yeah, no,
I just you know the people that I think that
you're a fan of. I just don't like it doesn't
have to be more than just the songs that other
people write for them that they perform, because I don't
get it. I'm not judging, I just don't get that's
not the type person that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
I'd be a massive fan of.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
Yeah, that Britney Spears, I mean great, Don't get me wrong.
I'm a huge fan of Toxic. What a great song
that is? Maybe one more.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Time Yep, a couple of bangers there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
But as I did it again, there's some great songs
work bitch yep, not so good, not so good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
But you're right, it's a credibility. I mean, look, nothing wrong,
well Britney, and she's had a life.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
But yeah, be fans of whoever you want to be
a fan of. But is it the same as Paul
McCartney for example?

Speaker 7 (01:31:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Is it the same as you know, David Bowie if
you ever had a chance, James head Field?

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Is it the same deepness of fandom? I mean, asn't
Brittany spears a bunch of songs and some crazy Instagram videos.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
It sums are up pretty well, I think, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Think they need you know how they went to courts
because her dad was looking after her. Yeah, I think
that was a bad decision.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
That was a really bad decision. Yeah, she'd had a life,
that's for sure. Peter, how are you mating?

Speaker 11 (01:31:33):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (01:31:33):
Boys?

Speaker 9 (01:31:35):
I never paid for a VIP experience. I spent time
waiting to hopefully meet people after an NFL game and Dallas,
I stayed around after the game, said like just under
four hours and met John Madden.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Oh wow, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 9 (01:31:53):
Yeah, I was blown away. And I also met Leon Let,
which was one of the Dallas Cowboys aligneman at the time.
And that was four hours and that was just I
was with a whole bunch of other people, I like
you could say staff parking at the old stadium, and
the busses for the Giants left, and other cowboys left

(01:32:16):
in their own cars. And yeah, and John Madden heaved
his way up in the little un and I shook
his hand and in his gruff, gruff voice and told
him that I had come all the way from New
Zealand to watch the Cowboys play at home and he
was plowing away and I was so happy to meet him.
I was just stoked. And yeah, it was It was

(01:32:39):
a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Well, it would have been a big unit.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
And in real life was he I reckon?

Speaker 9 (01:32:46):
He was pushing at least one hundred and sixty kilos
with six plus feet on them. He was his hands
were met like like I'm a big guy in his
hands the war they were just made. I was, I
was just little, but he was very gruff, and.

Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
I get it.

Speaker 9 (01:33:04):
He had been at at the stadium for six hours already.
And then as analysis after the game and his crossovers
and all that, but he was he was still made
time for his fans, and he jumped in his little
suv and he was gone.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Well that's the interesting thing, you say, all that time
that he's done at the ground, but also because he
didn't like flying, so at any given game that he
was covering, he had got there across you know by
land been been on the bus for a long time,
often legend. But what that's a great it's a great
person to have met John Madden. I just watched a
documentary a couple of months ago called Madden, and it's

(01:33:42):
just such an interesting life and so you know just
how he revolutionized commentary hit fantastic. Yeah, yeah, And not
to mention video games, video games amazing.

Speaker 9 (01:33:50):
I was just about I had all the Madden games
and I had no intention of meeting. I had no
idea who would come out of the tunnel. And you know,
been a Cowboys fan, I was only interested in Cowboys fans.
And then seeing the rest of the crowd ract to
the big fuller, it was holy cow, I'm here.

Speaker 15 (01:34:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Speaks to the character of someone like that. You know,
as you say, you've been there for four hours waiting
for him. He done the job, and then to go
out there and say get a to everybody who loved him. Yeah,
what a what a giant.

Speaker 9 (01:34:20):
And crappy, crappy American winter. So it was pretty cool.
So totally worth it. And you know, I don't know
how much you'd put on that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
My god, John Madden, that's that's phenomenal, Peter, that's so good.
I was and this thing I was watching on John Madden.
So the video game he was. They were developing the
video game with him, and they just wanted his name
on it. But he wasn't that kind of guy. And
they were trying to have I think seven players on
the field, and He's like, I'm not going to have
my name on a game that's you know, an American

(01:34:54):
football game that doesn't have all eleven players on the field.
I'm not just I'm not doing that. So so he
put his foot, he put his foot down, and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Thank god he did, because what a series of games
Madden NFL man, Yeah, some of the best.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
I mean, that's the reason why I'm a fan of
American football NFLS from playing Madden from a young age.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten to eighty is the
number to call love to hear who you've met your
VIP experiences. Was it worth the money? Ninety ninety two
is their text number as well. Headlines with Raylene coming.

Speaker 13 (01:35:24):
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You can see the full story at Nset Herald Premium.
Back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Thank you very much, Raylan's. We are talking about VIP experiences.
Have you done it and was it worth the money?

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
I got free tickets to Robbie Williams after show in London.
Robie Williams didn't show up, but I ended up in
the middle of an argument with the Pittchhop Boys. When
I tried to interview, they told me to pass off
as from Kurt. That's interesting, So what are that Neil
Tennant and Chris someone of the Pitchhop Boys, the keyboardist
in the singer and they're.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Having an argument. Wow, I told you to pass off.
I mentionine, that was a pretty posh argument. Yeah, that's
a great story.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Westin Girls still a fantastic song.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Yeah, pretty good song. Right now, as we're reading the story,
it turns out someone that we Know and Love on
the show was quoted in this particular article about VIP experiences.
Her name is jess Davidson, and she's back with us
on the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:37:33):
Get a jess Hey guys, so soon we're back.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Well Davidson from the country, Dot CO, dot and Z
a VIP experience with Eminem.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Yeah, we were talking about cider. But the reason we
didn't realize is they called you, Jessica Davidson, and nobody.

Speaker 18 (01:37:46):
Called trying to go in cognitio. But hey, I've been
I've been sprung.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Yeah, Jessica Davidson.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
So yeah, so talk to us about Eminem. So how
much did you pay for the VIP experience of Eminem?
He was here what about five years ago?

Speaker 18 (01:38:02):
Yeah, so this is a concert in Wellington.

Speaker 4 (01:38:05):
Now there's a bit of a backstory because I've been
a huge and since I was a teenager. And when
he first came to Western Springs, I think it was
twenty fourteen. He came in February, but I just had
my son in January, so I had tickets. I couldn't go.
I was absolutely gutted, but I promised myself if he
ever came back that I would go VIP no matter

(01:38:26):
what it costs and what experiences they were. But of
course Marshall Mathers is quite a private guy and there
was no meat and greet, so these were just VIP
standing tickets and they were five hundred dollars each.

Speaker 18 (01:38:40):
And I looked at it and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:41):
I thought, the captin is massive?

Speaker 18 (01:38:44):
Am I even going to see him again?

Speaker 4 (01:38:46):
I've been waiting so long and I just bit the
bollet and I did it, and I'm so glad I did.

Speaker 18 (01:38:51):
It was worth every penny.

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
But I couldn't work out, like, how do you have
VIP standing with the segregation? But essentially what they did
was you went to the Cape tin early about seven
am the morning of the concert and q up in
this VIP line and they gave you a card with
a number on it, and then what you did with
you you went about your day. We went out and

(01:39:15):
enjoyed Wellington. It was a stunner, sat at the waterfront,
had a few beers's.

Speaker 18 (01:39:20):
And went back. And then they lined us up in
the number order.

Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
And then what they did was they walked us in
a very orderly line to the front row. So we
ended up front row middle.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
And did you have to fight for that? Once you
were there, did you have to look after your territory?

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
Jeez, No, No, everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
Was very respectful of each other, like we're all in
the same boat.

Speaker 18 (01:39:42):
But the only problem was Eminem had.

Speaker 4 (01:39:44):
About three opening acts, so we had to really time
when we stopped having beers's and how long we were
going to be there.

Speaker 18 (01:39:53):
But I tell you what, we were standing.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
Probably for about four hours before even started in that spot.
But to be in the front row middle when you've
been waiting to see this artist most of your adult life,
and when he came out and he's literally two meters away.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
And you can read the tattoos, that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
It was just, oh, I'm getting good stunce talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Superstar mind blowing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
You have the energy to twerk or do any hip
hop dancing or you share.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
I was literally just because I luckily had the rail
in front of me, so I just I leaned on
that the whole time. But he went for I think
two hours, and it was just it was worth every penny.
Like you, if you're going to go and see someone
you really love and you don't know if you're going
to do it again, just pay the difference.

Speaker 18 (01:40:39):
Make sure you.

Speaker 4 (01:40:40):
Get the prime spot and the best experience because it's
well worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Did you cry and stand?

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
I did? I tried when he came out. I'm such
a loser, Honestly. The security guards like, dude, just pull yourself.
You're embarrassing yourself. But I don't like when you're a
fan of a musician and you've always wanted to see
them and then they're right there and you're hearing them
and making eye contact with them. I just don't think

(01:41:06):
any amount of money can repay that. It's just worth
every cent if you love them.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
What's your favorite eminem albums? I'll give you mine in order.
Are you ready and this is going to shock you,
Jess Okay, the Slim Shady LP nineteen ninety nine is
the original one.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
Then this is going to freak out.

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
Kamakazi from twenty eighteen, it's my second favorite, and then
the Marshall Mathers LP from two thousand. But the Kamakazie
what a comeback with the Bacie Boys tribute, it was fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:41:33):
I would actually say probably Marshall Meathers LP would be
my number one. My number two would actually be the
Death of Slim Shady Curdigra what she brought out last year.

Speaker 18 (01:41:42):
If you actually listened.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
To that, he brings back eminem and uses audio technology
to make him sound like Slim Shady used to and
actually battles himself. So I would say probably slim Shady
LP three and then Chemakazie four.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
That's Jess Davidson from the Country dot cod and says.
She says, spend the money for the p.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
You're a dark horse, jests you may never see that
artist again. You know a lot about farming and Marshall
Methers is fairtastic.

Speaker 18 (01:42:09):
Yeah, thank you. I'll get back to the scrumpy Hens.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
You've been on scrumpy hands since we last talk to you.
That's good. Good tonight? Uh Phil, who have you met? Yeah?
Good mate?

Speaker 7 (01:42:21):
Have I met? Where do I start?

Speaker 24 (01:42:23):
Years ago?

Speaker 7 (01:42:24):
Beach Boys behind stage?

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
Oh wow?

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
So which Beach Boys were there?

Speaker 24 (01:42:29):
What?

Speaker 15 (01:42:29):
What?

Speaker 7 (01:42:29):
What era was that when they played at Killy Tour
and christch.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
I had no idea. I mean call me naive and
and many people do that. So what year was that?

Speaker 7 (01:42:40):
Oh good?

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:42:44):
Also did the Glass Spotted Tour?

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Oh wow? Yeah, oh my god?

Speaker 7 (01:42:48):
Wesh and Springs I've done. I've actually met all the
cast of mister Brown's Boys.

Speaker 15 (01:42:55):
Oh yeah, but.

Speaker 7 (01:42:58):
Bunny his health. A lot of them. But the one
that stuck in mine, Mine is yestually really.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
Idol oh right, and when.

Speaker 7 (01:43:06):
Looking out to looking out to a line of people,
they're getting their photos and as a family at the end,
and he was tired, the lead singer was tired. And
what Bolly did was there she grabbed their son, put
him on his shoulder, then fart attacking with him. A
how good, very very humble man. It's just amazing to
see it, just so very emotional, very very humble.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
So you're a security guard to the stars then, so
you do a lot of concerts to your film.

Speaker 7 (01:43:31):
I did did now I've done too lot to them now,
but yeah, they see a lot of a lot of people.
Yeah it was great. I met a lot of a
lot of stars.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
So did you did you meet Brian Wilson with the
Beach Boys? He would have been touring then he doesn't.
He didn't really tour with them.

Speaker 7 (01:43:45):
Met the whole group. One that really stuck there was
a doctor was hard person swinging on the caravan door.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Wait he did? Sorry, so that again, I just missed
that someone pissed on the caravan.

Speaker 7 (01:43:55):
Doctor was half drunk. You're swinging on the caravan or
at the behind stage. It was funny.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
There's there's a sort of GP you want a round
on on a rock to it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
Were good on your felt and it's good to you
to believe Idol was good guy. I went to see
him at Western Springs. It just couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Yeah, over it was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Yeah, but then I think his voice went for the
later shows, but it was so good. What's the name
of his Steve Stevens's guitarists fantastic. Yeah, this text is
had a recent golf day. People paid twelve thousand for
a round of golf with Ryan Fox and six thousand
with Body Barrett.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Nice. Twelve k for Ryan Fox charity. Yeah a good cause.
A right, we've got full boards. If you can't get through. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love to hear about
your VIP experiences. Who did you meet and was it
worth it? It is eighteen to four this Texas said.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
Britney Spears recently met a ghost during her sixty minute
interview with Diane Sawyer.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Right, that interesting life. I said, well, she met a
ghost during an interview. That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:44:51):
The issues that affect you and if it have fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk ZIBB very good.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
Afternoons. It is a quarter to four and we're talking
about VIP experience or celebrities you've met and what was
it like.

Speaker 10 (01:45:10):
Hi, guys, I'm going back to nineteen seventy three.

Speaker 15 (01:45:14):
I think it was.

Speaker 18 (01:45:16):
A crappy little.

Speaker 10 (01:45:17):
Boarding school kid age about sixteen and a friend of
mine and I step, can we go to the Kenny.

Speaker 20 (01:45:22):
Rodgers concert, which we were allowed to do in our
school uniforms, and I remembering in the elegant then and
after the show, one of us said, I wonder if
we can get an autograph.

Speaker 7 (01:45:33):
So we spoke to one of the crow.

Speaker 25 (01:45:35):
And said any chance getting an autograph from the guys,
And he said, oh, hang on a minute, I'll go
and see if Kenny's available. A minute later, Kenny Rodgers
himself walks out, meets us and greets us, says, come
on back, let's have a chat, kid, And we spent
about twenty minutes in the dressing room with them, having
an amazing conversation.

Speaker 10 (01:45:54):
About goodness knows, what's between year old girls talk about.
And some years later I was discussing with my stepmother,
who used to fly long haul with their New Zealans,
and I said, you know what a great man Kenny
Rogers is.

Speaker 20 (01:46:07):
She said, yep, and.

Speaker 21 (01:46:08):
Just something you don't know about him.

Speaker 18 (01:46:09):
I said, what's that?

Speaker 25 (01:46:11):
She said, every time?

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
He oh, oh wait, just old there.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
We just just you said the last scenes we heard
before you cut out, was your mum saying every time,
and then it cut out, So it just can you
say that again?

Speaker 6 (01:46:24):
Please?

Speaker 20 (01:46:25):
Sorry?

Speaker 9 (01:46:25):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:46:26):
So my stepmother used to fly long Hall with their
New Dealers and she said every time there was only
first class and economy class in those days, no business class,
she said, every time a New Dealers offered.

Speaker 20 (01:46:38):
Him first class seat and he said.

Speaker 10 (01:46:41):
No, my crew again, my band, my roadies all flow
economy class.

Speaker 7 (01:46:46):
I'm setting my thanks very much people.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
Yeah, hey, so what what what year was it that
Kenny Rogers?

Speaker 20 (01:46:54):
Pretty sure it was seventy three He was doing a
kick underneaed and then I was at school down there.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Wow, So that was that was before his big hats
like the gambler and coward of the county and such
that there was. Early he had been he would be
in a spectacularly good looking man bag in Kenny Rogers.

Speaker 20 (01:47:11):
I think the end of his life, frankly.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
Man, he had a beautiful, beautifully here suit man, wasn't he?
But by the end of his life he had a
bit of press plastic surgery. I think he had too
much and he was almost unrecognizable. But Beck in the seventies,
back in the seventies, spectacular.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
How good head swegger. Yeah, that's a great story. Thank
you have von Ellen?

Speaker 7 (01:47:31):
How are you a good man?

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
You met Bill Gates? Where was that? It wasn't on
Epstein Island?

Speaker 24 (01:47:37):
Was it funny?

Speaker 7 (01:47:39):
Sorry?

Speaker 24 (01:47:39):
No, carric Cliffs, So I was there's thirty noughties.

Speaker 11 (01:47:43):
I think it was.

Speaker 24 (01:47:44):
I had the golfing quick end of my life, you know,
spent the big bucks wed stay at the carric Cliffs
and we checked out. That's we checked out. We were
just walking out of the bobby. This guy walked towards
me and I looked at him, and I looked at
him twice, and I turned back to the managers at
the hotel who was standing there. I said, I must
be going crazy, But that guy looks a lot like

(01:48:05):
Bill Gates doesn't, and she would neither convert nor deny
and anyway, so we drove off with my wife and
I tune. I said, this might be our lifetime opportunity
to meet the wealthiest man in the world. So we
turned the car around and went and booked another two
nights and so the next k. Because it's a really
expensive golf course, I was became golf on my own,

(01:48:27):
and I was literally buzzing around the course doing eighteen
holes about every one and a half hours in a second.

Speaker 15 (01:48:33):
And I went flying.

Speaker 24 (01:48:34):
Past the clubhouse to do it eighteen and all of
a sudden, as I'm going down the first the first hole,
the club pro comes flying up behind me in his
golf cart and say, oh, hey, I saw you going
down and there I have that I would you be
interested in me giving you a few tips and lesson
And I said, oh, yeah, that'll be cool, and so

(01:48:57):
he came and he started to give me tips and
lessons and gave me more balls and play, and he
slowed me right down. And I realized as I was
coming up the eighteenth that Bella and Melinda were playing
ahead of me. And the last thing they wanted was
me to be heading up on them, so that bush
out and slowed me down so I wouldn't brush into.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
Them dirty anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
Imagine, I imagine you catch up on Bill Gates pretty
Quick's probably got a fifty four handicap.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
Yeah, yeah, he was a player.

Speaker 24 (01:49:28):
Anyway. But anyway, it was quite funny because then wegan
to get our bags and go back up the pathway
to get to the car the second time, and he's
coming down in a golf cart out of the way
with Belinda, and they've been shown to their room. And
I looked at him and I and I said to myself,
your your Bill Gates. And he's looking at me with

(01:49:48):
that little enigmatic smile on his face saying, yeah, you
know who I am, don't you. And that was my
meeting Bill Gates.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
Oh how good.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
That's dedication, Allen, you know, an extra two nights and
then whipping around the golf course every hour. Well done.

Speaker 24 (01:50:04):
We never got that dinner with them because we thought
a carrict question Edwin's gonna the same dining and then
he was off in a little room.

Speaker 11 (01:50:11):
On his own.

Speaker 24 (01:50:12):
We didn't really have dinner with expensive to night.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
Still cool story are you going to Metallica? Allen, I'm sorry,
are you going to Metallica tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Mate?

Speaker 24 (01:50:25):
I'm I don't even know where they're playing, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
All right, there you go.

Speaker 6 (01:50:30):
You're enough.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
People are paying a lot of money for a celebrity
meet and greet with Metallica.

Speaker 24 (01:50:35):
Oh really, I guess.

Speaker 7 (01:50:39):
Folks.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
Yeah, yeah, you're a Bill Gates person, not a James
Hitfield person. He thanks for your cool, great story, and
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Thank you very much. Right, we'll play some messages, but
we've got plenty of ticks to get to. We might
get a few calls as well. It is nine minutes
to fall back in the.

Speaker 1 (01:50:56):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything
in between.

Speaker 5 (01:51:00):
Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons, used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
It'd be, it'd be. It is six to four.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
I told my ordered to write down her goals. She
had a Taylor Swift diary and wrote in it one
day this will be signed by Taylor. A couple of
years later, she got picked out of the crowd and
got a backstage meet and greet photos, et cetera, and
got her diary signed. Chris, what a fantastic story. Mark,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 23 (01:51:23):
Hi body, great show by the way, Yeah, got to
make this quick. Ye got a chance to meet the
guys at a White Snake, not the full White Snake,
but Bernie Marsden, Ricky Moody and John Lord great keybody
st out of Deep Purple.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Yeah, go again.

Speaker 23 (01:51:46):
And that was used to playing at a covered band
and we've got chance to support them, which is quite good.
Great guys, teetotal all of them right, yes, and then
our thinger got a chance to gobe.

Speaker 11 (01:52:02):
To Sweden and do a couple of gigs with them
as well, so that was quite good for him.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
What a life mate, How bloody awesome?

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
Yeah call Mark This Texas has met Clint Clint Eastwood
trout fishing Matchwiker River showed him where the big fish
were upset as guide.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
No end o cool Clint Eastwood and.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Sexer says I met Jim Boulder at the Urinal in
New Plymouth Airport. Anyea, Jim Hicky's cafe.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
That is a claim to fame. That one is great.
That's a big one.

Speaker 15 (01:52:30):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Thank you so much for everyone for listening to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Love Dad chats today. As always, the podcast will be
up really soon. Is here the back? Are we still
with Ryan? Heather is back? Heather is back, the Great
and Powerful Heather Douples.

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
The Eleanor's up next. But right now, Tyler, why would
I be playing this song from Metallica?

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Why would you be playing that massive concert tonight? You're
going along as well as it seems like half of
New Zealand going to be an awesome concert. Go well, mate,
songs I'm most looking forward to if no one cares
for whom the bell tolls?

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
I thought about that Master of Puppets. Yes, what else?

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
One? One's a huge, one, massive opera. If the other
destroyers always good life? Yeah, I'll mate see it at
even Park tonight. If you're going along, enjoy that until
tomorrow afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
Give him a taste of Kiwi from Tyler and you
seem busy?

Speaker 6 (01:53:18):
Will let you go?

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
I love you, Mattie than Fighter Adams. For more from

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