Full Show Podcast: 20 November 2025

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 20th of November 2025, a big bust puts the spotlight on black market ciggies - buyers spill the beans.

Then, the joys of relocating a house.

And then some great calls on university halls of residence vs going flatting. 

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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you, great New Zealanders. Welcome to Mattain title f
also podcast number two four seven for Thursday, the twentieth
of November in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five.
What a show today. We got to all of our
topics for once, which was good.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Certainly did black market Siggi's We went deep into the
underground black market CIGI.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Operation so long ago. That was a great chat, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
It was a great chat and.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
UNI halls and got a bit of abuse from listeners again,
which were we always enjoy wrong for abuse this time
sometimes it's sometimes it's acurate, sometimes it's not. And in
the middle we did shifting houses, so that was cool,
the stories of shifting houses. And we didn't even get
to the Museum hotel and Wellington. Yeah they shifted that
for TAPPA, didn't they.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
They put that on ball bearings and rolled it up
the road. That's incredible that that's no small feet to
shift the whole hotel.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:11):
Stories, the issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Talk said the very good afternoon to you. Welcome into
the show Thursday twentieth and November. I hope you're doing well.
We're iv you're listening you Matte and I'd just like.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
To an extend a big good on you to all
the people who went to Metallica last night. Good people,
what a beautiful crowd. Yeah, what a great experience.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
How good for Aukland, How good for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
I was thinking how much I've changed in my life
from my young Mitler days growing up in Dunedin, because
I rode my little orange bike from my house to
the concert wearing a punishing wearing a waterproof jumper and
parked it up and attached the bike by a chain
to a tree and then went into the concert and
rode the bike bike home.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
You have changed, man?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
So nerdy I was. I felt very nerdy as I
was going through the crowd. But boy boy, so good.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Nice way to travel though, I mean, yeah, and out
of that stadium pretty fast, and it's a great stadium
to get in an out all for most people.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
My dad gave me the buke. He used to write
around on it, so it's very it's very rude. It's
got tiny little wheels. It's bright orange. Yeah, it's very
upright setting, weaving through all the all the metlers. Yeah,
I love it that it was. It was a great show. Yeah,
I mean, I'll shut up about it.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
So, oh it's fantastic. Yeah, And I genuinely.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Got for Auckland, you know, tilant, I won't shut up.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
No, you won't know. You won't. You'll keep singing Metallica
all day and we're here for that right onto. Just
driy to today's show after three o'clock. We won't even
chat about the university halls. Is it's still a ride
of passage for kids? Are you, as a parent going
to send your children there once they finish school? The
reason it's in the news right now is some students
are saying the cost is astronomical. It's up around thirty

(02:54):
thousand bucks a year to live in those catered halls.
So study Link provides around three hundred and twenty three
bucks a week for living costs, leaving some students short
by about one hundred and forty bucks a week is.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
The ambition, So just short one hundred and forty dollars
a week to to be accommodated and fear if you
can't wrestle that up, how keen are you to go
to university? Look, one of my big regrets in life
is that I didn't go to a university hall. It's
because I went to UNI in Dunedin and I was
from Dunedin and so it seemed ridiculous to do that.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
You're living with the folks on the year one, I.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Was living in a bank vault on Voge Street. There's
a difference, but it just everyone that's been to university
halls has just talked so highly about it, you know,
one of the best years of their life, incredible experience
of it. I just moved my son out of his
hall today and he's just absolutely buzzing about it. And
the thing is that if you're in a university hall,
you're on, you're more involved in the campus. So I

(03:50):
think that people that go to university halls actually do
more study and they're more involved in the university. So
it's a fantastic thing. So it's great that the government
will lend you most of the money. And if you
only have to rustle up another one hundred and forty
I think as well worth it. I think, you know.
And maybe it's just fine because I didn't go. But
if I could go back in time, I'd move heaven

(04:11):
and earth. I'd be mowing lawns or whatever it took
to get the extra hundred and forty bucks.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, looking forward to your thoughts on that after three o'clock.
After two o'clock, fully furnished, brand new, relocatable home is
priced under four hundred thousand bucks. It's got a bit
of a buzz when the listing went live because it
does feel like a pretty good price for a three
better includes all the furnishings and a lot of first
time buyers. I iron it up, saying that could be

(04:35):
just the ticket. But the obvious catch on it is
it's relocatable, so you've got to pick it up. We'll
find someone to pick it up, not yourself hopefully, and
plump it on a bit of land that you've purchased beforehand.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, So how complicated is this? Because I'm absolutely mesromized
by it. I love that show and they move the
houses with Andy ellis yestic, But it's how much of
a ball ache is it? For want of a better term,
because you know, you just you don't pluck from there.
You gotta eat the piles, right, You've got to plug
everything in. You got to have the right but land

(05:09):
is it? Is it too much of a pain in
the ass to do? Yeah, you know, what are your
experiences on moving houses into spots? Because this one looked
like a fantastic place.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Beautiful home starting and open, but it was.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Three hundred thousand, but no one wanted it obviously because
it's too annoying to move.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, if you've bought a relocatable home, we want to
hear from you after too. But right now, let's have
a chat about black market cigarettes. This was after Customs
sees one point five million cigarettes as well as half
a million dollars in cash. This was a big smuggling
operation in Auckland that they have broken apart. So two
people have been arrested in that sting and it does
come as Customs says they've had to step up their

(05:51):
targeting of elicit tobacco that's coming in to New Zealand
via AC and mail. And then you add into the
mix of story up today that appeared to be good news.
That news. This is from the New Zealand Health survey
showing smoking rates have reduced by almost seven percent.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, smoking rates know about, but we don't know about
the ones that we don't know about.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Do we know?

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Hence the black and the black market.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
So do you think we've just made cigarettes so expensive?
The other day, Tyler, you talking to a homeless person
outside of supermarket? I believe.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah. So it's outside of convenience store down at the
viaduct down in Auckland, having some dinner with friends, and
I everyone knows my vape, so I had to go,
you know, get something for my vape. And he was
outside and I said, can I get you something food?
He said some cigarettes would be nice, and of course,
you know, I want to do something nice for the
homeless guy out there. And I went in and said,
please give me the cheapest cigarettes you've got. I said,
no problem, fifty one bucks.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
So then you went out the back door and didn't
put yours And again I had to do.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
The right thing by him. Clearly he knew what he
was doing. The guy out the front. So I gave
him a fifty one dollar pack of cigarettes and said,
you know, I hope that helps a little bit, mate,
But fifty one bucks for a pack of twenty cigarettes.
I thought that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
A couple of points on this. Firstly, you terrible enabler.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Secondly, fifty one dollars for a bunch of cigarettes. That
is just ridiculous. Pack of twenty pack of twenty pack
of twenty fifty one bucks.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
No wonder.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
We've suddenly got this huge black market for cigarettes and
this growth area for organized crime to get into it.
And so you get this situation where we're busting people
trying to bring one one point five million cigarettes into
the country. So have we just gone too far? And Yeah,
we just want to talk about black market cigarettes generally

(07:34):
because my understanding is, and we've actually talked about this
on the show before, people have rung it and sere
that very easy to get. It's very easy to get
black market cigarette. So if the aim is to get
people off smoking, then good, aim. I think I don't
think smoking is good. Yeah, I want to go it
on a limb here and say I don't think smoking's
good for you.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Funnily enough, I think the scigence speaks you there.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
So that's good to think the less smoking we have,
but you've got to balance things out. If it's over
fifty bucks for a pack of cigarettes, which is just
some paper and some leaves rolled up with a bit
of a filter, then and that has the you know,
the unforeseen circumstance or the what do you call it,
unintended consequence of cigarettes getting a lot cheaper because everyone

(08:16):
is getting them a black market. Yeah, then then we've
arguably gone too far.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, well, what do you say, Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? Have we gone
too far on texting the Bejesus out of cigarettes? And
it's pushed people into the black market and made us
a good market for these people trying to import. And
if you do buy black markets cigarettes, Love to hear
from you? Where do you go? How easy is it
to find them? Are their passwords? Are their Facebook message
groups that figure out where the black market sigis are?

(08:42):
Love to hear from you? Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? Nine two nine two
is the text back? Very shortly? It is fourteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
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Speaker 3 (08:59):
Afternoon, seventeen past one, we're.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Talking about black market cigarettes. Andy says, fake news. He's
calling out your story.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
I've got to clear some things up there.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Nope, pets of twenty there's no packets of twenty cigarettes
for fifty one dollars and using on the most are
around thirty nine to ninety for twenties, maybe twenty fives
for fifty, but definitely not twenties.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Now, yeah, I do need to clear some things up.
I had a few beers before I actually went down
to the convenience store, so my memory might be a
bit hazy. Maybe it was a pack of twenty five,
you know, I just pay for it and gave the
guy what he wanted. But now that I'm seeing these
six coming in, I think I actually was a victim
of some sort of racket going on between this guy
and the convenience store owner. I think they saw me coming.
He's done this before, clearly.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Either way, I think it still stands. I mean six
with that expensive and Sydney yep, I was involved in
the purchase of a pack of cigarettes in Sydney and
they were around fifty bucks. But either way, I think
it still stands if they're forty bucks.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, and I'm just twenty yep, and I've just had
a wee look at the current prices of various brands
of cigarettes. So Benson and Huges Classic twenty fives that's
forty six bucks, the Holiday Blue twenty fives that's forty
four bucks. The Duney Reds fifty dollars for a pack
of twenty five, So there's still a lot of money.
I one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number two?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Call ben black market cigarettes? You know a bit about them?

Speaker 6 (10:18):
Yeah, I've got to medald buy them. I like a
good cigarette with my beer on a Friday and at
the weekend. And bugger if I'm going to pay forty
one bucks for a packet of cigarettes?

Speaker 2 (10:31):
How did you find where to get the black market cigarettes?

Speaker 6 (10:35):
This is a word, colleague, he's smoking away. I've never
seen this brand before. I'm like, where do you?

Speaker 7 (10:40):
You know?

Speaker 6 (10:41):
What do they say? So I tried one and he
goes only like twenty twenty five bucks, and I was like, really,
where do you get them from?

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Him?

Speaker 6 (10:47):
Yeah, there's a certain dairy in an Asian supermarket and
christ Church that that sells them. But you can't just
walk in and you know, you've got to got to
go in and ask a certain question.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
All right, yeah, yeah, I'm going to see that question
sharing with too many, too many people. And so would
you does that mean that you smoke more than you
would have? Would would the if you didn't have access
to the black market cigarettes bend you would the forty
one dollars price tag have forced you to quit or cut.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
Back because I don't smoke all the time. I used to,
but I only smoke when I drink. It's mainly a vape.
And but yeah, it's like there was anything mate, if
you get it cheaper somewhere else, you'll get it cheaper
somewhere else, you know. Or yeah, and just on the
that you said a Nussie, Yeah they are there. So
I was in Melbourne about two months ago and the

(11:43):
cheapest packet of Dailey's I came across, which is packet
the twenties or Sporting nine bucks Australian. Yeah, that's Australian dollars.
So that's you know, creeping up sixty bucks in his
own here are.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
They pretty easy to come by? Obviously you have to
you know, do a few different things in the off
of the old password. But for people you associate with Ben,
most people would know how to get hold of the
cheapest agrees.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
Oh my weekly. You know, you get one person and
we're doing gets around and you know, specially if you can,
you know, say I you we call it a few bucks,
You're going to say something. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
So on the question of of you know, the ciggi's
being text up the wazoo, you reckon. The balance is
way off. That's that's caused more harm than good, so
to speak. With this black market situation.

Speaker 6 (12:30):
Yeah, well I've got I've got family members that it's
like a decision, you know, I don't like it, but
it's a decision by food or buy cigarettes, you know.
And it's not the first time I've seen that decision
being made. And it's really sad when you see people
going through that.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
I agree, though, I mean, look, everybody's different when it
comes to nicotine, but it is it's for me, incredibly addictive,
and I understand that when people are you know, they're
going through some ship. Excuse my French, and what do
you do when you're addicted to nicotine. You don't want food,
You want siggies that you're little your little help with there.
So I definitely get I understand why people.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
So I think that someone could be so addicted to
nicotine that they were.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Starve, not starve completely, but they would let go of
other parts of their life that would be more responsible.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
To get if you say, let go of the responsibility
to make your kids lunch for school or something, because
you know, you spend all the cigarette money or breakfast
and breakfast food in the house or something.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, bad parenting, absolutely, but I'm sure that does happen
out there.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Hey, so beIN is there there's no real risk to
you buying those segs And I think all the risk
is to the people selling them and importing them.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
I'm just pretty sure, Like, yeah, I'm pretty sure. I've
never heard of anyone getting in trouble for buying a
pick of their making cigarettes. You know, area is getting
big fines for selling them.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
But we'll three months home, you know, three months in
jail for buying a pack of twenty dollars cigarettes. I
can't see it. Happening.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Pretty harsh, Pretty harsh.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yes, I mean, as far as you're concerned, you know,
you want to smoke. They exist in a way that
you can get them cheaper. There's no real risk for you.
You then, Yeah, wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you in this
and issue strictly adhere to the law, you know.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
And it's goods.

Speaker 7 (14:18):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Because you get a packet of tailor as you're paying
forty bucks for it, thirty two dollars of that is
tax the tobacco company. And the theory is only you
know that that's putting the eight bucks between them, So
the rest is just tax. So you know, I'll pay
enough tax through my job. I would to pay any
more than I have to.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, do you worry that you might be supporting organized
crime and enabling the bad guys to profit?

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Ben?

Speaker 6 (14:44):
Well, you know this doesn't really cross my mind, you know,
to be honest, I just hey, if I can get
you know, sort of two peckets for the same price
at buying one, why wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, all right, Ben, we'll just get that code offline there,
would you put on?

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Christ will get that. Our audience will be very interested.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
So for importing prohibited goods, including tobacco products knowingly an
individual up to six months in prisonent or a fine
up to two twenty thousand or three times the value
of the goods. Wow, a corporate body up to one
hundred thousand dollars for sale supply of unapproved oral tobacco
based nicotine products. Individual up to six months in prisonent
or a fine of up to twenty thousand dollars. But

(15:27):
I don't think there's any specific fine or penalty for
just being the person that buys them.

Speaker 8 (15:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Interesting. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. How easy is it to find black
market cigarettes? And what do you think about the tech
situation with Siggi's hairs? The government gone too far and
opened up this black market. Love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
And read your story before Tyler about buying the homeless
person some cigarettes? This text asks Tyler, can you buy
me some cigarettes? Please?

Speaker 9 (15:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Sure, I'll buy everyone cigarettes skip get that's how I am.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Now get this person one of those sweet fifty one
dollars pack of twenties.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
The headlines and the hard questions, it's the make asking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (16:05):
We've got a fairy deal to new ships may arrive
in twenty nine bigger than we currently have. Winston Peters
stitched together the dealies with us. What are the learnings
out of this in government for curing services going forward.

Speaker 8 (16:16):
Well, look, we've got so many examples Transmission Gale, who
were to walk with every contract blew out massively and
there were huge delays. We can't afford to have that
sort of behavior from central government. Some of the politicians
here to gather down way and get the black smart experience,
business people, experienced trades people there might know somethings, but
what they're talking about that we've got to farm all
that in the future rather than its cost plus blowout

(16:37):
and massive expensive and gial taxpayer.

Speaker 10 (16:39):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Maybe's Real Estate News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
News Talk ZEDB. It is twenty seven past one. We're
talking about black market cigarettes.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Wow, So Nigel says, HAPs I smoke one and a
half packets a week of tobacco at a cost of
one hundred and fifty per pack. So that's your obviously
the pouch Yeah, houch gee, pers that is skyrocketed. Your
port Royal yeah, because this fifty gram is the bigger
one run barrels. Yeah, yeah, thirty gram or fifty gra
one hundred and fifty bucks a packet. Rod says, folks,

(17:12):
I've got an unopened packet of twenty Derozick. I'm not
familiar with that brand, nineteen seventy five red and white packet,
thus fifty years old in an original cell phone. Any
takers right? Are Is there such a thing as a
retro smoke that just collects old brands of retro cigarettes?

Speaker 3 (17:32):
I hope there is. Sounds like Rod's one of them.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I don't know, Sally black market cigarettes your thoughts.

Speaker 9 (17:39):
Heyah, well, they're very easy to get. I mean in
New Zealand, as you probably know, it's pretty easy at marijuana.
And I'm not a marijuana smoke on myself. I'm a
cigarette smoke and I love it. But my friend who
are marijuana smoke has put me onto or said to
me try some of these cigarettes. They are all well
as far as I'm aware, some of these guys are

(18:00):
kind of naughty that pretty much most of them are
imported by the Asians, Like that's how I come into
the country. And yeah, you can get them at a
lot of dairies if you say the right magic password.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Now, Sally, you say you love smoking cigarettes.

Speaker 9 (18:17):
Are you smoking?

Speaker 2 (18:18):
So you're not trying to give up?

Speaker 9 (18:19):
Is?

Speaker 5 (18:20):
Well?

Speaker 9 (18:20):
No, I just really enjoy it. My grandfather he smoked
from the age of fourteen to ninety eight dat of
a broken heart, and always said to me that the
thing that really kills you is not smoking at stress.
And I totally believe that. Of course, people that are
stressed can smoke more. But yeah, I enjoy it. I
really enjoy it. And I have noticed that how to

(18:41):
give up.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
No doubt, no doubt. Running with increased cortisol levels and stress,
we'll do a lot of harm over time. But you know,
I think the science is pretty heavy plung cancer and such. Certainly,
how long have you smoked for? Sorry?

Speaker 9 (18:55):
You maybe thirty years?

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got you've got You've got
quite quite a husky sixies smoker's voice.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Don't you do?

Speaker 8 (19:05):
You know?

Speaker 9 (19:06):
I was actually born with that when I was a
little head to answer the simon and everyone think it
was my brother, not me, So I was actually born
with that. It's it's not from the smoking.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Oh right, it's a guest it's a gift. It's a
great voice.

Speaker 11 (19:17):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
And so you say super easy, you got it? The
past word? Is it just dairies or are there you
know you mean shamerijuan And I think it is for
a lot of people, pretty easy to exist, it not.
They like cigy houses. You go and knock on the
door and say, oh, take a peck.

Speaker 9 (19:32):
I like it to any house. No, not, well, I
don't know, to be honest with you, I really I
don't know that much. I mean I have tried them.
They're kind of they're twenty dollars. The cigarettes ice smoke
of fifty five dollars and thirty cents. I think they're
like fear starvers in blue, the guy that the Guy
that sounded in New York City, and those are super

(19:53):
expensive and I just love them. So I never you know,
I mean, I'll go if no one has an smoke
it downe or blue. But yeah, they're super expensive. But
the others I've tried with twenty dollars a packet.

Speaker 12 (20:02):
The black market vaping doesn't do it for you, Sally, I.

Speaker 9 (20:08):
Do smoke the icos. Have you heard of that. It's
like it's like a Japanese design saying I started. It's
like a little machine and you have a metal tube
looking it looks like a cigarette, and in the end
of the tube as a whole, and you put a
it's called a heat and you put one of those
into the tube and instead of burning, which you know cigarettes,

(20:29):
so kept a light with saltzpeito, which is the poisonous stuff.
But these these don't burn. They heat, so they are
pure tobacco and a thousand times bitter few and way
way cheaper. So I also smoked those.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yes, so these are these are the the htps. Aren't
they that that caused the controversy in last year? Weren't
they with the that was it the government that cut
exos on htps and people were complaining that there was
a tax break for the cigarette companies. But the other
side said that it's better for people to be smoking

(21:04):
tobacco like that than burning it. As you say, well,
it's pure.

Speaker 9 (21:09):
It's pure tobacco, so it doesn't have the chemicals in it,
which which are what caused a lot of the cancers,
i e. Sualts peas, which keeps the cigarette alike, so
it doesn't have the chemicals in it. It's just pure
tobacco and which is you know, natural from a plant.
So yeah, I mean those are fantastic, but they're like
they're like a quarter of the size of a normal cigarette,
and this little thing sort of you put it in

(21:32):
and it vibrates, and then about ten seconds later it
vibrates again, which is when it's ready to smoke it.
And then you keep smoking it and it lasts quite
a while, and then you it vibrates again when it's
finished and sounds fourteen dollars. They're fourteen dollars a packet,
like super chip, but it is the quarter of a
size of a regular cigarette. But I have a habit

(21:52):
of smoking and then putting it out before it's right
at the very end. Sorry sort of half but yeah,
well yeah, yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Would be people that would would would ask you for those.

Speaker 9 (22:05):
Yeah, yeah, I know there's definitely times. I have a
very good friend and Queenstown who I won't meet his name,
Oh oh, she just.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Got taken down.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
She got taken down by berg tobacco.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
They didn't like hearing that. Sally, thank you very much
for your call, but I hope you're okay. By the way,
we won't give a call back and check on her.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
That sounded maybe HTP exploded.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Figure out headlines with the railing coming up, then would
take more of your calls. How easy is it to
get black market cigarettes? It's twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 3 (23:46):
You very much, Rayleen. So we're talking about black markets cigarettes.
This was after a big bus by customs. One point
five million illicit cigarettes were were claimed by them around
along with five hundred thousand dollars in cash. But how
easy is it to find these black markets sigies?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
So it seems very easy, judging by the calls we've
got so far. So have we just put the price
of cigarettes so much so high with tax? We're creating
an opportunity for organized criminals. Grant says, Hey, guys, there's
another choice, which is give them up. I smoked from
age thirteen to forty three, and it wasn't that hard
to quit. Now sixty five, twenty two years without smoking,

(24:21):
Thanks Grant. One way to give up cigarettes. I read
this fantastic book by Dr Judson Brewer, who's a neuroscientist.
Grew up the craving mind, and he teaches mindfulness to
control your habits. But he's next time you smoke a cigarette,
concentrate fully on every part of every inhale and every

(24:42):
exhale of this of the old cigarette yeap. Just really
concentrate on it, and you know you'll discover that it's
actually pretty gross. That's his theory. Yeah, it's just that
we mindlessly do it and we don't read concentrate enough
on it to really because you can you can taste
our toxic its.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah, it's a good point. It's been sometimes since I've
hit a sigi. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call?

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Alex is quick smoking. I quit smoking when the prices
to twenty five dollars. Working hospit at the time, and
there is nothing like a cigarette break on a hard shift. Yeah.
I bought contraband for a bit, but then I asked myself,
am I such a loser that I would do something
illegal to buy something that is going to make me
sick down? So it was no. Ten years off smoking
never felt better. Yeah, I mean, when you get into that,

(25:27):
the habit of smoking, there's always a reason to smoke.
Like you have a break, you have a smoke. It's
like an explanation point on anything yeah, you speak for
me getting the car, have a smoke any success.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Smoking and driving was my happy place. Yeah, so I thought,
until I gave it up and realized I was still
happy was driving most of the time.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
My husband smokes a fifty dollars pack at a day.
No desire to quit. Yeah, it's like Sally with some
people that just have no desire to quit.

Speaker 12 (25:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
And that's fair enough too, You know that is it's
still a product that you can buy legally as long
as you pay a crapload of tax on it.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I think my issue with this whole thing is we're
elevating something really lame to the of organized crime getting involved.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, it's just yeah, it's just nicotine. It's the name,
it's the LaMeer strike you can get. It doesn't even
give you that much of a buzz.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
It's no more buzz than a cup of coffee. Glean,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Good afternoon, Straight off the bat. I'll tell you that
I'm a non smoker and have been so for a
number of years. But I have a couple of workers
who religiously buy cheapies, as they call them, every week,
maybe two packs a week, and in my circle of
friends and associates and colleagues. All of them seem to
know where to get the cheap cigarettes from. And there's

(26:46):
either a supply who can sell them by the carton
or there have you got to some liquor stores you can't.
They all seem to know where to go. You can't
go when they're walking as bould as brass and say, look,
give me a couple of cheap packs of cigarettes and
find of other customers. You can't do that. You're going
to be quite discreet, he might say to the guy, Look,
give me a couple of packets of cheapies. You'll know

(27:08):
what you mean. He'll walk out the back. You put
them into a paper bags, and he's quite discrete about
it as well. You pay you fifty dollars for two packets,
or you're forty dollars for two packets and you're away.
And yeah, to me, it seems like the government want
of both ways. They want to get the excise tax es,
but they've got to expect that. You know, there's an

(27:31):
old adage where there's a supplier, there's a buyer.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
And that is I think that is a big part
of the problem. Where you lump so much tax on
and I just looked it up. It's about eighty percent
of the cost of a packet of cigarettes in New Zealand.
Now that is going to force people to go underground.
It's always been a way, whether that's cigarettes or alcohol
or other drugs, that has always been what history shows.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
And further to your point, Glen, it's interesting in the story,
you know, customs and I'm not actually sure who said this,
but it was made quite clear. Revenue loss is significant.
The evaded tax amount on this cigarette bust as two
point two million dollars and this HiT's funding for public
services and sports criminal business models as this is the

(28:15):
line from the article. So it is interesting that that
has so immediately pointed out, isn't it that this bust,
these illegal cigarettes going to the markets, it was two
point ten million dollars of tax missing out. We're missing
out on that tax that goes to hospitals, which is
a funny way to look at it, because of course
it seems to be on hospitals as well.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah, yeah, just the other point on that, and I've
asked them look at these cigarettes for usually the Double
Happiness Child Chinese brands or Asian brands. I said, do
they give you the same hit as a packet of
Rothman's or a packet of BNH And they said one
of them said, no, they're actually quite mild. I've become
used to them. But you know, if I can get

(28:57):
a packett half priced or perhaps almost a third of
the price of a pecket of cigarettes, well you know,
so bad. I'm prepared to put up with a slightly
mild to taste.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
So you from your experience, it's quite well spread widespread.
So do you think that when we have these numbers
that are coming in saying that cigarette smoking is dropping
so rapidly, that that is those numbers are really just
because people buying cigarettes the legal way is dropping.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, that will be hard to gauge how many people
are really smoking. Yeah, it might be just smoking related
little or consequences of drop, but it's hard to gauge.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah. Yeah, Well think if you call Glen Glenn appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call? Love to your thoughts about where the
balance is when it comes to text on cigarettes and
is this just pushing people too? This black market illicit
ciggies and the name of that book.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
A bunch of people who are texting and us seeing
the book I was talking about that helps with these
kind of man habits. And it's called The Craving Mind
yep by doctor Judson Brewer, and it's one of the
best books I've ever read. I've read it multiple times.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
It sounds very helpful to.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Help me give up a lot of stuff. Tyler, a
lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
So I've noticed that it is seventeen to two. Back
very shortly. You're listening to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on madd Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talk.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Said, be it is quarter to two and we're talking
about illicit cigarettes. Customs are having quite a job to
try and stop them coming into the country. The latest
successful operation was when they seize one point five million cigarettes.
This news came out today and around five hundred thousand
dollars in cash. But they say they're really having to
step up because they come in and thick and fast.
So we want to hear from you. Has the government

(30:41):
gone too far on tobacco tax and that's pushing people underground.
And if you do smoke black market cigarettes, how easy
is it to find them? At eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number?

Speaker 5 (30:50):
Call?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
This test says yes. Every smoker will tell you they
know someone who smoked to a ripe old age, but
believe me, most don't. My mother, father, and sister all
died slow, horrible deaths, gasping for air for years. None
of them had cancer. It was major organ failure from smoking.
Was fifty seven. Yeah, you always hear that. There's an example,

(31:13):
lived to ninety eight. Yeah, you know I lived in
ninety one. Smoke the pack of day.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah, but unfortunately that's not how science works.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, I think I think the argument that cigarettes kill
you is over. They do.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, yeah, Trevor, how are you hey?

Speaker 13 (31:28):
Guys?

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Ho are you you good?

Speaker 9 (31:29):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
What do you reckon about the black market?

Speaker 13 (31:30):
Siggi's well, I mean I would like to know the
rule vide, but I'm one singing of that one gang.
What if you call them is you know I had
that amount of cash and we'll call that was caught
with that? Wheny amount of cigarettes, you'd have to think
it's in one hundreds of millions, and you know what
I find ironic about this in three or five years,
wouldn't be amazing if the government officials and health work

(31:54):
would say, let's take the sale of cigarettes and nicotine
out of the gang and the criminals and put it
in the government's hand to have better control of it.
And that's exactly what we're talking about.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
With drugs, of course, but we're reversing this.

Speaker 13 (32:10):
I mean, we've got you've got a very good control
of it now, haven't you.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
And you know, that's a really interesting point you're making.

Speaker 13 (32:19):
And I tell you it'll happened because people will come
out and they say, oh, they're selling it to and
I know, dear is sell it the young people. Oh
that gangs don't care. They sell it the young people.
We don't know the quality of the tobacco because you know,
I presume accepted in New Zealand their standards to meet.
And I just see this to being exactly what we're
calling for with drugs. But the government letting it go

(32:41):
and making it go to the games.

Speaker 7 (32:43):
It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, we we It's interesting. It's easy money for the gangs,
isn't it as well?

Speaker 5 (32:48):
Of course?

Speaker 13 (32:49):
Yeah, I mean five hundred five hundred thousand dollars cash.
I don't know how many people there. I mean that's
probably equal your too salary, but I mean five hundred
thousand in cash, it's quite a bit of money. So
you know, you think you think the income to be amazing,
but I just find it.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Are on it.

Speaker 13 (33:04):
The call will be let's take it out of their hands,
the criminals and warlorough.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Let's let's take it out of the hands of dairy
owners with all the regulation and put it in the
hands of gams. Your point. Appreciate it. Oh sorry, mate,
you had something else to say? Sorry, Oh he can't
burger uh trigger happy on the button. Something has to say.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Trivill is a good man. He understands.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Hi, guys, we're a move here. Love your show men. Look,
I gave up smoking maybe twenty years ago. I couldn't
afford it back then. I ended up vaping for about
five years. I gave up five years ago. Now all
I have to do is give up drinking, which is
going to be the hardest on. We're always trying to
be a better person. Yeah, day to day.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, you know, you got to have a few few
sons in your life, though, don't you just a couple
of things to poison the soul.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
I am no one. I'm the only person that can
cast stones because I right. I quit smoking four years
ago by listening to Alan Carr's book. Yeah, a lot
of people have success with that. I did not have
a want to quit, but at the end of the book,
I didn't another one up again. Smoke the whole way
through listening to it. I highly recommend.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of good results from that book. Right,
it is eleven minutes to two. We're going to take
a few more calls on this. After some messages. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty, we're gonna have a chat
to be in here. Reckons, black market Siggi's taste like crap.
Oh really, yeah, Well it's coming up.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons news talks be.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Afternoons seven to two. We're talking about black markets cigarettes.
How how easy rather are they to find? Can you
get your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (34:45):
This is a very wise person that's texts this thing.
Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life,
and you will call it fate bean Carl Jung, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
I think it is.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, it's a great quote. That's the thing. So a
lot of these habits that we have, like smoking cigarettes,
it's because we do them unconsciously. We think we're relaxing,
we think we're celebrating. There's always a reason to have
a cigarette to wake you up, to calm you down.
The cigarette isn't doing any of those things.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yeah, it's all nonsense.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
And so if you try making the cigarette smoking conscious
by focusing on every single part of it while you're smoking,
the taste in your mouth, the experience of the smoke
and your lungs, all those kind of things, it's a
very different experience than just slamming cigarettes and drifting off
and holding two fingers up to yesterday and thinking about life. Yeah,

(35:34):
if you focus on the cigarette, it's very differ experience.
The same with a pack of chips. You've got a
family sized packet of chips crisps and you're just eating
them mindlessly while you're watching the TV. It's a very
different experience than if you taste every one of those chips.
You won't get through family sized packs of chips. If
you concentrate on every chip, it gets too much.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, it's like in that Alan cardbook and he talks
about the little monster and the big monster. The little
monster is the nicotine. The big monster is sorting out
your unconscious brain.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah. Absolutely, Ben, welcome to the show. Speaking of the
taste of cigarettes, your thoughts on the black market.

Speaker 14 (36:06):
Once, Look, yeah, they need to change the brand that
they bring in. There's something that's a bit more. I'd
be right behind them. It's only only they were tasting good.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
So it's a quality issue for you, Ben.

Speaker 14 (36:25):
Yeah, the old double all them double happiness. But that
doesn't work. That's severitizing, definitely sitizing that that should be illegal.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Not not even s.

Speaker 14 (36:39):
Yeah, and there's there's a few other brand. I think
there was muh, what's it called Fasachi or something or
lots of Yeah, but they just have this actually disgusting
arter taste. But yeah, it's just so so easy to
get older.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (36:58):
Uh but no that that should be illegal. But no,
old old back it because what I said, I was
on the smoker and proud of that. I have been
doing that for a long time and I must be.
I'll buy two fifty grand packets a week, So I'm
smoking nearly a mortgage, yeah, pretty much mortgage on our house.
But like I said, you know, it's just got me

(37:21):
by the Jacobs and then I enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, fair enough to go.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
It's good as by the Jacobs, but he enjoys it.
The sex is living with this. A loved one with
lung cancer has to be the ultimate smoking cessation cessation tool,
but unfortunately it's too late by then. I know not
a single smoker who hears this will take any notice
of me, and it saddens me. I know there are
plenty of things in life that will kill you. Why
I choose to add another one? Just stop it? That's

(37:46):
from Henry Sound advice. Yeah yeah, but this text has
said I'm with Sally too, no desire to quit. My
wife is saying too, So we buy contraband six. Don't
understand why the government makes so much tax on them,
leading to people not only supporting illegal groups selling smuggled cigarettes,
but also store owners getting harmed killed with dairy and
gas station robberies. If they drop their tax cut to

(38:08):
some poured a twenty dollars sale price, this would stop
the black market cigarettes as well as a threat of
injury or harm to store owners. A few more people
may take up the habit for sure, but the other
non smoking schemes appear to be working. This this is a text.
Well it's interesting. I mean, cigarette smoking is terrible for you,
will kill you. But cigarettes have now become so expensive
through tax that gangs now profit by smuggling and selling

(38:29):
them cheaply on the black market. And that's not good either.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
Is it.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
It's a strange world. Oh and just quickly, Sally was
all right, we rang her back. If you heard Sally,
and she sounded like she was cut off by big tobacco.
She just robbed her phone. Okay, good, Yeah, yesh, Sally's fine.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Sure she might have been taken out.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah right, good discussion. After two o'clock, let's have a
chat about relocatable homes. If you bought a relocatable home,
did you get a good discount and how did you
get it to the piece of land? That's next.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
afternoons used talk.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Zib News talks ed Bee welcome back into the show.
It is six pass too great deb you come is
always thanks for giving us a lesson. It's going to
be an interesting check.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
We want to talk.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
About relocatable homes. This is after a very beautiful relocatable
home is on the market right now for just under
four hundred thousand dollars. Three better includes all the furnishings,
and it's getting a bit of buzz online because a
lot of first time buyers and people looking for a
good dealer eye in that app saying, hey, that is
a heck of a price for a beautiful, brand new
three be a bedroom home.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
The only problem is, it says as we're is Yes,
you've got to then have it on the back of
a truck.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
You've got to find a home for the home, move.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
It across town and plug everything. So how annoying is
that part of it. We'd love to hear from people
that have relocated homes, whether it's a great option or
it's a massive headache.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Andy Ellis's show Moving Houses on TV and DE that's
a great show.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
It's a massive operation, isn't it what those fellas do.
I imagine there's not too many people out there that can
do that. I mean, there must be somebody in each
of the major regions because a lot of people do
buy relocatable homes, but it's niche.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I remember the first time I found out that people
did it. It blew my absolute mind as a kid, my
dad telling me about it. That people put homes on
trucks and move them to other places and then sit
them up, set them up. It's it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
It is incredible.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, it's really really cool. But it's obviously I mean
that this place is this place that was on sale,
that didn't sell, this charity house. It was absolutely decked out.
Everything was good to go, all plugged. Dar was it furnished.
It's not a good idea to let it's not.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, probably take the furniture out. It is, it is
fully furnished. But take your couches out before.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
You the crystal out of the yeah, out of the cupboards,
before you move the house.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, because what would you know, I'm just looking at
a photo.

Speaker 13 (40:56):
Now.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
You need to do a fair bit of work to
get that on a truck. Wouldn't you take out all
the lighting? I don't know. I mean I've done it before.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
You have my experience. A toilet so is only only
as good as a plumbing. It's all very well having
a fully operator fully decked our bathroom, but if the
pipes don't go anywhere, it makes a terrible mess.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, so it's a big part of it.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I mean a couple of weeks, sure like that, but
over time it's not a good option.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number
to call it? If you had just a relocatable home,
what was the process like and did you get a
good discount? Obviously you need the land as well, but
for a lot of people they've got a bit of space,
and you know, with the granny flat rules as well,
I imagined the old relocatable home to wake one of those
on your beat section might be an option for people
out there.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah. And there must be towns that a bit of
for relocation, right I imagine trying to relocate a house in
Wellington would be a punish yeah, because up your windy hills.
You know Christ's great relocation place right easy Hens that
huge build up of homes in.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Rolliston, nice and flat cream me if I'm wrong, But
wasn't there a story not so long ago about they
were relocating a house and it got stuck and as
it was trying to go through the Mountain Victoria Tunnel.
I mean, god knows, I'll try and find that story.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
You'd measure it, right, do you think so?

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah, those guys must have been cowboys. I mean, there's
a lot of trust involved in picking who's going to relocate.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Its measuring and then measuring. I've been involved in this
steal recently where a friend's son needed a fridge for
his flat and I had a fridge, and I measured
up and I sent them the measurements and then I
just heard that it didn't fit in the whole. So
they're going to spend their whole year flatting with the
fridge just sitting in the middle of the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Oh, that would do my head in all right. Oh
e one hundred and eighty ten eighty the phones have
led up nineteen ninety two? Is that text number love
to hear from you? If you bought a relocatable home.
What was the experience, Like, it's ten past two?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Cut them in half your muppets, that would help, Yeah, yeah,
but then you've got to put it back together.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons call, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk.

Speaker 9 (42:54):
Said be.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Afternoon thirteen past two.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Hey, guys, there was a story last week in the
Herald about a mansion up north that is for sale.
It was relocated from miles away. They had to cut
into six pieces, but it's been restored to bed than
it was better than its absolute best chairs for that Greg. Yeah,
So it's it better to get one that's just a
house or as it is, or a purpose built to

(43:20):
be moved. I wonder because because you would you build
the house designed to be moved?

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Surely? And I think the one for sale down and
done is for four hundred k. It's I mean, maybe
I've got this wrong. I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Make it look at it too longer than wider, so
it can get on the roads better.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Six pieces is a lot of Admond cut it into
sex and then put it.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
You've got to mark them ABCD. You know you don't
want to put them back the wrong way.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
I Kiah, Yeah, oh undred eighty ten eighty is that
number to call?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Cherry, Welcome to the show. You've relecated a few houses.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
Well, not me personally.

Speaker 15 (43:55):
My brother's in the house moving industry, and I relate
back to the early sixties, I bought a house in Kaiko.
It was rough cast I tended and got it for
one hundred and twenty five. We sold the bricks offer
for eight hundred, so I was kind of on a
winner right from the start. It had to be cut

(44:16):
in two, but unfortunately it took us about six months
to get the permits and get it on site, so
it did suffer some deteriation during that time. But of
course the woods, that's the attraction in my opinions to
these three locatable houses. We get native timber and it

(44:37):
just comes up beautifully. My family, my mother and her siblings,
they bought a house in tong Array, jacked it up,
built the whole floor underneath. It lowered the house down
on top of the floor, and so they had a
two storage, six bedrooms house. My brother shift of the

(44:57):
house book was a you know, one of the old
bay old villas.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
Was too bays.

Speaker 15 (45:06):
He cut it in half and he left it I'm
seeing seats a path and had a whole lounge and
living rooms built between the two and that came up beautifully.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
It's a smart I.

Speaker 15 (45:21):
I bought a full haul from Otara and shifted it
up north and had it converted into a childcare center,
and once again there were beautiful massi flaws on it,
which you don't get in child cares these days. So yes,
there's seen some you know, some things that you'd rather forget.

(45:46):
But he's now retiring and leaving it to his son.
So for people who've got the time and the energy
and they can visualize something, that's the important thing.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
You've got to be.

Speaker 15 (46:00):
Able to visualize what the end products looking like. I
can recommend it. I don't think you pick up any
one hundred and twenty five dollar houses.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
Now as I did.

Speaker 15 (46:15):
Still, when you look at the price of houses that
are available for moving, you know you can get a
decent one for less than one hundred thousand, which is
competitors on today's market.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
So when were you living in kai Koe Cherry.

Speaker 15 (46:32):
No, I wasn't living in k I bought the house from.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Kaik right because because my dad's from Kai Kuy, so
you know he had been around there in the sixties.
I don't know if you bought it out.

Speaker 15 (46:45):
I bought the old post not the old the postmaster's
old house because I'd put a great, big communications tower
on that site.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Oh wow, Yeah, well, my granddad was the minister at
Saint Stephen's in kai ky So you know that's interesting
to me.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Good people from kai Koe Cherry think you very much,
very interesting, Bruce. You did it heaps before some changes
were made to resource management.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. I just firstly like to just
acknowledge the last caller and visualization is just so critical
when you're dealing with property. And I always think it's
sort of almost an unfair advantage because someone that knows
property can look at a piece of land and then
look at the house and say, yeah, that'll work, and

(47:37):
they visualize the finished product. A lot of people can't
do that. They need everything wrapped and tied, all the
eyes and teeth. Anyhow, that's another story.

Speaker 13 (47:46):
But I was doing.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
The relocatables before the Resource Management Act came in, and
it was in Gisbon. What was happening is at the time,
I think it was about the eighties, round about the
early eighties. At that time, a lot of Gisbon was
going in the forestry, and the forestry was the farms

(48:13):
were going into forestry, and then there was all the
people may remember at the time, there was a lot
of forestry schemes, long term investment schemes promoted by certain individuals,
and a lot of people climbed into forestry investments.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
And my parents did them.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
Yeah, But what was happening is when they turned into forestry,
the farms had these houses on them which were either
sheer milkers houses or houses that were farmhouses, and they
were really really good houses. And at the same time,
the Pointed Cockery, which was the a wing of the

(48:51):
Department of Murray Affairs, I think as they were known,
they were unloading all these sections. So I was able
to buy from the point of Cockery a section for
five thousand dollars. And I was able to buy these
relocatable houses from anything for two two five. You didn't

(49:16):
pay any more than five for them.

Speaker 7 (49:19):
And yeah, and also.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Three bedrooms or what.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, full houses, you know, full solid state houses,
you know the old state houses, the high spec state
houses with removed floors and yeah, and you know, those
were the houses you could pick up at that at
that time. Now, once you got them, once you had
your section and you had the house. And also at

(49:45):
the same time there was there was a big builder
in town that was removing these villas. Hasn't had a
lot of big old villas, you know, four or five
high bedroom sarking high ceilings, and he wanted them off
these quarter acre blocks which he could turn into four

(50:05):
really nice retirement units. They had a nice bay window,
and the older people loved them because they'd look out
and see what was going on, and people were people
were buying these for virtually nothing because he wanted them
off site.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Right, Yeah, so you're doing a favor.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
You had if you had somewhere to put them, and
there was people that had sort of you could buy
a block of land, you could actually move them, and
you had to split them into three or four. But
here's the nub. Here's the rub. You pay five for
the section, you pay five for the house, You pay
about nine for the move, right.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I mean, that's that's sounding pretty good.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Still, Yeah, the.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
Move is where the great cost is. In those days, well,
the move was almost twice the move was the price
of the land and the section back in those days.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
But Bruce, is it still about the same.

Speaker 14 (51:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
I haven't done that, But when you're talking about four
four one hundred for a relocatable I couldn't imagine you'd
be looking in any more in this than the dollar
now for one hundred k. And they say they have
it on piles. You got to tie it down. And
in one case in Gisbon, I just moved the house
on that night. I hadn't tied it on, and there

(51:28):
was an earthquake, and unfortunately it would have been very
interesting to see that house bounce off its piles.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
That is some bad luck right there, Bruce.

Speaker 14 (51:43):
I don'ted the bullet.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
It didn't get me though, but that was it had
moved about probably twenty centimeters off its piles.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Are's most of the money with the movie put piecing
it together at the other side, because then you need
a carpenter, I imagine, to come in and sign it
all off and put it together and do the plumbing.

Speaker 7 (52:01):
Well, not in the day, not not in that day.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
I remember I was doing it before the resource management
that came in. And then the resource management came in.
I think it was Stan Rogers, Bill Birch, Ruth Richardson
about that era at the Employment Contracts Act, etc. And
I was doing one and I had good relationships with

(52:24):
the mayor, as you need to, and he gave me
a call and said, you've got a problem. Okay, what
is it? And he said, your neighbors have objected. I said, what,
it's nothing to do with them, and he said, oh,
yes it is. He said, you've also got to get
permission from all your neighbors, and you've also got to

(52:45):
get permission from the people across the road of the
landholders of the vacant block. And I had to go
and track the whereabouts of all these people. This is
just when the resource management that came in. I couldn't
believe it. I had to go around scout and introduce
myself to all these people who were strangers, tell them

(53:05):
what I'm doing. Didn't to sign this content, and they
looked at me. What's it got to do with me?

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Yeah, it's the resource menagement.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yeah, that is punish.

Speaker 13 (53:19):
Yeah, they didn't know.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
Why why are you asking me.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Alone get off my property?

Speaker 11 (53:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Hey, when you say to go back to you said
something about you know, it's important to be able to visualize.
What do you mean you have to be able to
visualize what the new house is going to look like.
We're the best place to put it. What precisely do
you mean by needing to be able to visualize Bruce.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Well, what was your first thing you do is you
need your section? Okay, and in those days you could
just pick up land was cheap, There was heaps of it.
You could get away with your own drain and you
could put your own sumps and you had to connect
the sewage. Water was no trouble.

Speaker 16 (54:01):
There was none of these massive futility connections fees you
have these days. Is I think it was one hundred
and fifty water and maybe four hundred for power and
that sort of thing, and a couple of hundred for
your box whatever.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
What reponse from what we're saying before.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Was that I was just saying, you said that it's
so important to be able to visualize, ye, the most
important part of it. So just what particularly do you
need to visualize how it's going to love or where
it should be put that kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
Yeah, well, say you look at you look at a
piece of land. The first thing in New Zealand is
you've got to have a north facing aspect and you've
got to have that winter done. That's critical. Once you've
got your section that's got that north aspect, you then
go and look for houses that are for sale and
there's lots of them. And then you look at the

(54:52):
house and you say, go, go, how would that work
on the block? It's north basing. Here are the windows,
Here are the bedrooms, here around, here's the entrance way.
You move it all around. You do a site plan.
Back in the day, you could do your own plan
as long as you had the boundaries that a clothes
line and outdoor, a living space, and you just take
that into the count sol the building can stent and

(55:14):
look at it. Yeah, these are the bilas yees, height boundaries,
sunlight turning area. Yeah, or got signed off a where
you go you produce a house, you know, very quickly. Yeah,
But nowadays you just can't do that. Some people say
it was the wild West. But as that last caller stead,

(55:34):
you've got to be able to you've got to be
able to see what you can do. And you can
pretty much you could do anything. I suppose you still can.
But you've got to be prepare to pay for it.

Speaker 9 (55:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Well that's the thing, isn't it. Yeah, You've got to pay.
I mean, now you get the you'd get it. You
throw up a three D model of it and you'd
have a look and you could spin around. You cad
it up, wouldn't you.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Yeah, exactly, there's tools for that.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
The stix is tilling you up. But you can't put
a house on the back of your section as the
house in the front is in the way.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
What are you talking about. You've got a fella there
who knows how to move houses. Just shift the original
under the side, the other one on the back and
you're away laughing leap frog. Yeah, exactly right. I've taken
your calls.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Madd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight on Youth
Talk zby.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Twenty nine past two. We're talking about relocatable homes. If
you have ever bought a relocatable home, love to hear
your experiences. How hard was it? How much did it cost? John?
You used to build them in cross chich Oh I
still do.

Speaker 17 (56:35):
I'm still I'm doing it right now as we speak.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Oh, you're the absolute perfect person to talk to. John.

Speaker 17 (56:41):
Oh, I've got to go so.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
So talk to us. So obviously you run a company
with the relocatable homes we're about to You're based in cross.

Speaker 17 (56:48):
Chich I'm based in Hornby. I've got a little yard
down in Hornby.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Is it just off the main highway because if you're
driving into christ them, Oh yes, I've seen it. I've
seen your homes there.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Them. Is that the capital of you know, Canterbury, the
capital of home shifting in New Zealand, like the best
place to do it with all the flat land and such.

Speaker 17 (57:11):
It's pretty good here, Yeah, yeah it is.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
And so what's the market looking like for you at
the moment? John? Do you get a lot of inquiries
at the moment with the traditional housing market being you
know up there in recent years, are you getting a
lot more people looking at relocatable homes.

Speaker 17 (57:26):
We've had a lot of people in previous years. Last
year was a wee bit quiet, I think when the
government announced that you could do a granny flat, people
were holding off a little bit, waiting to see what
they could actually do without having the consent. But I'm
not sure they're going to let go of the money
that they made out of it, So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
So is there a bit of that stuff as well,
not just the full house, but the extra the extra
dwelling on an house that's already there. Do you move
a few of those as well? John?

Speaker 17 (58:01):
We don't move the homes that are already existing, we
build new and place them on the back of are yeah,
existing properties. Using anything from one hundred to a you know,
two hundred and fifty ton crane, we can crane them
straight over the top.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
So what is the difference between a house? What do
you do to a house that's purpose built to be moved.

Speaker 17 (58:24):
It's got to be pretty self sufficient and it's got
to hold its own when you when you pick it up.
It's got to be engineered to be able to withstand
that sort of pressure.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Do you make them longer or say, different shapes so
they can head down the motorway with that too many problems?

Speaker 17 (58:39):
Yeah, we train keep them to a certain size so
that the pilots that we use are either one or
two pilots. So we've built them sort of eighteen meters
long by four point two meters wide, so you get
a pretty sizable home.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Still, what do you mean by pilot.

Speaker 17 (58:57):
A pilot vehicle too? You know it goes in front
of the.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
The yeah, yeah, got yah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
And you know the connecting up all the all the
connections and stuf. Are they made differently so they can
be easily just you know, plug and played.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (59:15):
Absolutely, we can put a sort of like a caravan
plug underneath so that you can you know, you're electrician
or our electrician, we can organize that we'll just come
along and plug it in and basically the same thing
for your water and sewer.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
So how much better is that?

Speaker 9 (59:32):
You know?

Speaker 2 (59:32):
How much less hassle overall? Is one purpose belt to
be moved as opposed to you know, some old house
that's just been unwanted and grabbed and shoved on the
back with drug.

Speaker 17 (59:44):
Well, a lot of work has to go into refurbishing
that property that and some of your other guys have
been on and said, you know, cutting them up and whatnot.
There's a lot of work involved in doing that. Whereas
I can from start to finish, I can have one
of these on your back section within sort of six

(01:00:04):
to eight weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Does anyone make them? In part so you kind of
you want to have a house bigger than the ones
that are convenient to be taken down the road. Is
it possible to make I don't know that the a
jigsaw house.

Speaker 17 (01:00:16):
Which definitely I'm actually doing that right now. A lady
that wanted an l shape configuration on the back of
a section and it's justin Hornby actually just got the
road from us, And I'm building them so that they're
both able to be put onto the back of a
truck separately, and that both sections of water tight, and
then when they get on site, will put a little

(01:00:38):
doorway through for the corry door and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
And yeah, so they lock together like lego.

Speaker 9 (01:00:47):
Kind of.

Speaker 17 (01:00:47):
Yeah, the panel that I use is very very similar
to that. It does have a little locking mechanism, not
the same, And yeah, they go together quite quite easily.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Yeah, I mentioned in christ it's John, there would have
been and I know you don't do this, but there
would have been a lot of homes where the land
was buggered where they thought there was still value on
the Was there a bit of a gloff in the
market at some stage?

Speaker 17 (01:01:12):
Yeah, I think that they're looking at a lot of
that red sort of area land out to the east
and to Brighton and whatnot, and then maybe they're going
to allow this kind of home to be put on
those sections.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Now that'd be great.

Speaker 17 (01:01:32):
Going on. Oh, there is a lot of beautiful sort
of flat out there to put this sort of thing on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
So John, the advantages you have and that you have
everything there to build the house, so that there is
such an advantage over you know, reinventing the wheel to
go around to someone's house and just build it where
it is.

Speaker 11 (01:01:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:01:52):
Absolutely, absolutely, it's so much easier. I have had to
build a couple of my property, my my little houses
on people's property because the access is just too difficult
and it's an absolute pain. And yeah, you get to
site you're in Rolliston and I'll shit, I forgot that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Yeah, well, hey, thanks so much, ringing.

Speaker 17 (01:02:17):
We've going backwards and forwards.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
We've got to go to the news headlines.

Speaker 17 (01:02:21):
But what's your company called, John, It's Living Little Limited.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Living Little, Living Little dot codin z. I assume you can.
You've got a dot co. Yeah, I got on your John.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Yeah, good man to chat too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
I find this hugely interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Yeah, it is fascinating cool.

Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love to hear from you if you've purchased
a relocatable or you work in that space, if you
actually move these houses real keen to ever chat with you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Yeah, And we've got some people that are bringing up
the issue of how the banks feel about this that
will share next twenty five to two.

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Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Thank you very much, Raylian. We're talking about relocatable homes.
There is one for sale down in Dunedin and it's
getting a bit of buzz. It's a beautiful home for
about four hundred thousand, but the problem is you've got
to relocate it. So if you've done that, love to
hear from you, Hi guys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
One thing you're missing is finance banks aren't going to
lend money unless you own the land outright and bought
that board on that. Then when completed refinance, it's not
going to happen for most.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
It's good point.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
This person said, we build a new home at building
Yard and Kemu and then was transported to Matarangi in
the Corimandel instant home. Only thing they needed to replace
was the copper spouting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Sounds like a good adad from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Mac. Here's the thing, Matt and Tyler's it's much easier
to ask for forgiveness. It's much easier to ask for
forgiveness then for permission. So set up a real locatable
house in a neat spot, shove it down and then
get the consenting done later. And we were joking about
leapfrogging houses. If you want one on the back and

(01:05:09):
you've got one in the front, I crane them over
into back sections using a huge one hundred to two
hundred and fifty ton crane.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Thank you. Text there you go see where there's a
wilders away.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Because someone was hassling tired about saying, you know, have
for a new house in the backyard.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Yeah, you go just get a massive crane.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
But that person that was saying that doesn't know how
wide your driveway is, whether there's another axis. Yeah exactly, Yeah,
but it turns out you can just have it over
the top leap frog it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Peter, how are you mate?

Speaker 7 (01:05:35):
Good gentle?

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
How are you very good?

Speaker 9 (01:05:38):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
You want to have a chat about our hotel that
was moved.

Speaker 7 (01:05:41):
Yeah, you would probably know the hotel, mate, because you were.
You've been the great town, haven't you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I have definitely big fan White Swan, the White Swan Hotel.

Speaker 7 (01:05:52):
Would you walking there for a beer?

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
I might have the White Swan Hotel describe it to me?
That is that but it's like it's got two stories
and the balconies out the front.

Speaker 19 (01:06:04):
Yes, of course, beautiful place. We stayed there a couple
of a couple of times. Beautiful place that was trucked
over from Wellington over the packers two thousand and two.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
It's a monster, it's huge.

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
It was a huge one. Well, if you'd actually wandered
through you would have seen some of the original phrograms
that have been taken over there. And they actually one
seation flew off the one of the trucks and the
hill roads for quite some time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Unfortunate I got back on again, but that was.

Speaker 7 (01:06:38):
Truck there, so I think I don't know, I can't
remember how many bits. I think it was at least
half a dozen, but maybe more. Yeah, that's a bigger hotel.
So so they do truck Because I caught your part
of your comment about moving houses in Wellington, Well we
do actually because it actually came from Wellington.

Speaker 13 (01:06:57):
That yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Right, it's a massive projects.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
There's that's quite a path. I mean, I've driven in
a number of times and it's pretty it's pretty tricky
just with the amount of curves, just if you're driving
a Ford Focus exactly exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
And we go over there quite regularly, and yet it's
quite a twisty road. And another big hotel that was
shifted with the Princess Gate and Rode the room was
shifted it from I think that was shifted from up
around Gibbon somewhere like that. But if you ever ever
go into that hotel you'll see photographs. And that was
carried on on bullock dragged uh you know, not trailers

(01:07:35):
parts the bullock. They cut it into pieces and they
put it on these big carts or whatever they are
worlds things like trailers, and they pulled it was with bullocks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Wow, did you say the Princess Gate.

Speaker 7 (01:07:49):
Sorry, the princes Gate.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Ye, they're playing with bullocks. So this was done a
long time ago.

Speaker 7 (01:07:54):
A long time ago. Yes, it was a long ago.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
It's another stunning hotel, very colonial looking, beautiful.

Speaker 7 (01:08:00):
It's beautiful with the day there a couple of times too.
And again they've got some amazing photos in there of
it being shifted. But the one over of a tucker
would have been would have been the hairiest one, I
would suggest. But but yeah, I mean I was back
in a previous life when I was working for a company,
I had a house shifted from the back of the
Wellington control tower which is up a very steep hill

(01:08:23):
overlooking the airport, and that's the air traffic control tower.
Now the truck had to climb up a four meter bank,
the truck and trailer to get underneath the house and
then bring it all down.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
So insurance on these on these trips, I mean, do
you have to do individual insurance deals? Broke a deal
just for the trip?

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
No, we didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:08:46):
We didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:08:47):
We basically sold the house to the house removal company
and it was up to them to sort out their
insurance and do all that sort of stuff. So I
guess if it's a relocatable like now other people be
talking about, then yes, you'd have to cover your own
insurance on that, or maybe the firm whose transported it
they would probably have insurance as well, or they would
have to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Hey, I've got a question. I've got a question for you.
It's it's a bit off topic, but why is Greatown
so awesome? How come Greaytown is just so beautiful? What's
the history around it? Every time I go to Greaytown,
I go down the main street and I go this
place is just beautiful, and you know, all the shops
just so well decked, out and what's what's that book
bookstore there, missus missus bookstore Grain.

Speaker 7 (01:09:30):
Yeah, I know the one across the roof.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah, there's so many really really missus Blackwell's Village Bookshop.
It's just there's so many cool little shops and it's
just almost too good to be true. Greaytown.

Speaker 7 (01:09:44):
It's a beautiful spot. It's a lovely spotted. It's sort
of really coming to its own because Martinborough. When Martinborough
took off and became the place to go, Greattown then
was a was a place that sort of was a
lot more affordable. But it's it just took off from
there and you know, people from one and can move
over there. You can go that the a bike shop

(01:10:09):
and the main drag which are some beautiful bikes.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:10:12):
They they had the gin distillery there, so you go
and do your gin tasting the bike shop.

Speaker 9 (01:10:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
What a place.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Greattown is. Greattown is just so fantastic. It's just I
mean it's a place to stop and walk up and
down the shops and and you know places like the
White Swan and stuff. It's just it's just a fantastic spot. Hey,
thanks so much.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
We call Peter oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call if you've relocated a house
where kind to hear from you very soon. We're going
to have a chat to Paul who moved the house
in Hastings and Doug who is a pilot vehicle driver
for a relocatable company.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Front or back. We'll find out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Yeah, have a chat with the lads on eight mad
Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
It'd be it is twelve to three and we're talking
about relocatable homes. If you've done it, can you have
a chat with you?

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Nine two nine The Texas says, Hey, guys, I remember
the birdcage next to the Northern Motorway being moved one
hundred meters to allow for the Vick Park tunnels to
be made. That was a big deal. I couldn't believe
and they were going to do that. The boot cage
is fantastic place and old pub, isn't it. Thank goodness
they did the vic Park tunnels. That's revolutionized getting across
to the shore and back. But yeah, that that was incredible,

(01:11:19):
the moving that huge place. And on a personal note,
I had a drink with Jeff from the Wiggles at
the boot cage one good times. Yeah, that's the story
for that person to drink with. Welcome to the show.
How are you?

Speaker 20 (01:11:34):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
You moved a house in Hastings, No two house Hastings, two.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Hastings we're from for terror rou Oh yeah how far
is that?

Speaker 20 (01:11:44):
Excuse my naivete, I don't know kilometers. But it topped
them ten hours to move it overnight.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Right, Wow, that's a big trip.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
And was that was that? Was that a house for
you to live in?

Speaker 12 (01:11:56):
Paul?

Speaker 20 (01:11:58):
Yeah, we brought a section for a lifestyle block in
Hastings and the guy that told us to said he
knows Heartland homes and Pataro. When we drive back, talk
from Popping and have a look at their show home,
which we did, fell in love with it and basically
ordered it then and then and yeah, so they built

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it and basically bought it over. It was eighteen meters
long by seven wide, so there was a long load,
but not a heavy load.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
There would have been an interesting overnight situation for you.
Did you observe it or did you just wait waiting
for a call to find out that it hadn't fallen
off the back?

Speaker 20 (01:12:45):
Well, we knew. We knew it was leaving on a
particular night that my wife Mary and her son were
down here, and they went down to the down down
the road by the motorway there. Then they followed it
up and we lived ten kys up a country road,

(01:13:11):
wiggles and tunes and everything. So they brought it up.
Great job, fantastic. They bought it up onto our section,
which was quite big, big on track. They put it
up on Jack's got the dingo, dug all the holes
for the piles. Big truck just drove out and swung
around on the section because there's so much space. Came

(01:13:35):
back the next day, dropped it down on the piles
and tied it down. Fantastic job. We'll do it again
if we could.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
How long did you live in it for, Paul?

Speaker 20 (01:13:43):
We're still in it?

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Oh, how good success story.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Yeah. Sorry, we've got to go to the heads. But
how good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Yeah that worked out well? Right, just before we go,
how long have you been in it for?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Sorry?

Speaker 20 (01:13:53):
Eleven eleven years?

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Brilliant, good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Right, it's nine to three. After the break, weave a
chat to Doug, who is the pilot vehicle driver that's
coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler this afternoons used talk.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Said yeah, I started talking the middle their break there
didn't I A relocated a house from fung A to
Rackina Island. Took three days. The place is still standing strong.
That's quite a thing. So I wonder how much of
that was done by sea? Did you come down from
Breamhead or did you drive it down the motorway from
Auckland and head over a pass? A total it's a story,
massive barge. Yeah, we need more information on that one, Dug.

(01:14:31):
So you're a pilot vehicle driver?

Speaker 21 (01:14:34):
Yeah, mate, what.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Are the challenges?

Speaker 9 (01:14:38):
Like?

Speaker 21 (01:14:40):
Oh, quite a bit of that is actually the oncoming
traffic taking notice of it. But yeah, challenges is keeping
keeping your driver aware. But well, the main thing I
wanted to point out to you guys was the speed
on site. I'm just on the way back from raid

(01:15:03):
to Rua with just delivered twenty one business for a school,
twenty one modules from from Worry in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Wow.

Speaker 21 (01:15:15):
The six hundred and eighty square meters of classrooms was.

Speaker 13 (01:15:22):
Wow.

Speaker 21 (01:15:23):
There were sighted in a day and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 21 (01:15:31):
And to give you an idea. We did run a
few probably eight months ago in Hamilton, four hundred square meters.
The time on site from when the builders first tend
us side on side of the school, so where they
handed the keys to the principal on a four hundred
square meter block was eight weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Wow, there is some efficiency right there. That's the way
of the future, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
That is phenomenal. Yeah, moving houses, it's it's so cool.
He loved all those stories. Obviously there are a few
complexities not just with moving but plugging them in and
also the bank as well. But I love the ingenuity
involved in Love Ay Allis's TV show as well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
A great show. What a great chat that was fantastic.
Thank you very much to everyone who called up to
share their experiences and stories. Coming up after three o'clock,
we want to talk about university halls. Some students having
a bit of a wine that it costs too much.
It is a rite of passage. I think it's still Liz,
but we're keen to hear from you if you're appearance
are students. Is it still the way to go? Oh
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

(01:16:30):
to call. Nineteen ninet two is the text number news
put the weather fast approaching will be back soon.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Your new home for instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Good eighty you welcome back into the show seven past three.
Really good having you listen. As always, there's going to
be a good chat. So university halls have long been
seen as a ride a passage for students, but more
and more are saying the cost is getting too expensive.
So students are now paying on average around thirty thousand
dollars a year to live in these cadence halls. Study
Link meanwhile, provides a living cost of up to three

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and twenty three dollars a week. When you break it
all down, students say short by about one hundred and
forty bucks a week. Just to give you an idea
on what is actually provided for that thirty k years,
so it's three meals a day catered halls, and they
also provide utilities, pastoral care and social events as well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
What's pastoral care?

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
I think that's just someone who looks after the children
in the particular. We're not children, sorry, students in the
halls if things get a bit rowdy, isn't that the RA,
that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Pastoral care, is the support provider to sure the emotional, physical,
and spiritual well being out of individual.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
That's a much better way to say it. Thank you.
I was stumbling around in the dark there. But you know,
thirty k year. Look, I get that it's wildly expensive.
But when as a parent you know that you've got
the RAS and the pastoral care and then you've got
three feeds a day, that is peace of mind as
a parent.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Surely, yeah, I mean, fantastic thing to do if you
can get into a hall. I'm gutted that I never
went to a hall in jail and my son's been
in a hall. I just moved to stuff out the
other day actually, And just such a great way to
do university, the absolute best way to do university. Because
you're on campus, you're part of you're part of everything.
I think it helps you study more, it helps you

(01:18:23):
feel more and engaged with the whole education process that
you're going through. It's fantastic. But so study link is
you know you can borrow three hundred and twenty three
dollars a week and there's more expensive halls and less
expensive halls. They can be you know, four hundred and
sixty dollars, So you may have to make up the
difference of one hundred and forty dollars a week. But

(01:18:44):
if you go to university, right that I mean that
it seems I mean, things cost money, right, and so
if you're housed and feared and pastoral care then and
you know the security around it, then four hundred and
sixty dollars a week seems pretty good to me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Yeah, I had to. I didn't do UNI halls either,
and like you, I regret that. But I still had
to top up my income when I was renting because
what I was getting from study Link, and I had
to pay that back like everybody else. But it wasn't
that much, but one hundred and fifty bucks to go
towards the rent. I think at the time we were
getting just over two hundred bucks, so fifty bucks a
week for booze because you're a student. Of course you

(01:19:24):
got you got a price booze into which is part
of the deal. But food, transport, anything else that was
just not enough. And I ate a lot of eggs,
hell of a lot of eggs. Eggs wuld cheap back then,
but I still needed to do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
When I was at university, my meal of choice was
pastor and salt.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Pastor and salt. Yeah, just that is tough times.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I think university you meant to be broke. It's important
to go through university having no money. It's an important
lesson to have. Yeah, and you know, I look back
fondly on those days and I had absolutely nothing, and
you know, I had to work a part time job
to pay for my life. It was actually it was
actually kind of fun being that broke.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Yeah, character building as well, but I would have killed
for three meals a day to know that I actually
had food that I could go home to. I had
to sacrifice, you know, food for arguably boost But again
that's part of barcel.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
When we hear these things, and like this person's texting, Hey, guys,
you mentioned about it being an extra one hundred and
forty dollars on top of study Link and that editor
you guys have shown. It's really shocking to see how
out of touch someone can be. But nothing is free.
So study Link will let you borrow three hundred and
twenty three dollars a week and so the gap is

(01:20:33):
one hundred and forty dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
So if as the complaint that study links should give
you all the money and that you can borrow all
the money to do it, but what happens is a
supply and demand, then then I'm sure what would happen
is that the halls would then be another one hundred
and forty dollars on top of that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Exactly, Yeah, yeah, exactly, that would be catered into it.
But I think for most students, you've got to find
a little bit extra, whether that's part time work or
if you're lucky enough to have parents help you. I
wasn't lucky enough that mum just didn't have enough money
to provide, so I needed to do the work in
the summer, and I needed to pick up part time
jobs while I was Yeah, that was just hard and
parcel that if you actually wanted to live, well, live

(01:21:12):
just full stop, well it certainly it was a no
frills lifestyle, but just to be able to provide enough
for rent, you had to do a little bit extra work.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Yeah, I mean, and I get it's unfair. Life is unfair.
Some people don't get what other people get, and so
some people's parents can just pay the money and give
them some more stuff. And I remember when I was
at university, there was because I was down in a targo,
but I was from Dunedin and so there was a
lot of these rich kids that were coming in from
from Auckland and they seemed to be able to go

(01:21:42):
snowboarding every weekend. But that was just the way I was.
I know, just because some other people have it good
doesn't mean that you have it bad.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
So if you've got a situation where you only have
to earn another one hundred and forty dollars a week
to stay and be completely housed and food, I mean
you're going to have to It's going to cost that
much money to live anyway, so you can't live for nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Yeah yeah, I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighties and
I'm to create I from wrong. But I think there's
massive weight lists for a lot of the university halls
at the moment, So clearly there's a lot of people
that are okay with paying that money. If you're a
parent right now, or indeed a student listening, I mean,
do you honestly think that that thirty thousand dollars do
you not get bang for buck for that considering if

(01:22:25):
you're a parent, that's security knowing that there is care
and support available for your kid. There is food if
they ever get hungry, it's there, ready to go. That
is a big safety net for their first year at university.
So it's an entry into kind of the real world,
isn't it.

Speaker 13 (01:22:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
I mean, I mean you can borrow that money, right,
and then you need that. It doesn't quite get you there,
buts and so you have to pay back that money.
And so hopefully you're doing a course that will enable
you to pay that back that money. And that's a
whole different conversation. But as I say, it's still going
to cost you that gap anyway to live. Yeah, if
you're living at home, it's going to cost you know,
an eighteen nineteen twenty year old is going to it's

(01:23:02):
going to cost them more than one hundred and forty
dollars a week.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Just at their home thirty grand a year for living expenses.
That's pretty good. But what do you say, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two
nine two is a text and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Halls of residents in terms of universities, let's talk about them,
how important they are. I've got fomo because I didn't go,
and they seem like the most the funnest thing in
the world. Seeing my son go to one, I just
realized now how important they absolutely are. And I would say,
you'd want to move eaven and Earth to go there,
so you know you can just be part of the
whole university. But what do you think one hundred and

(01:23:34):
eighteen eighty thirteen past three, back of a month news
talk said the sixteen past.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Three we're talking about the university halls is it's still
a writer passage for students. Important as a parent for
your kid to have their first year in a unihor.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
This Texas is My second daughter just had the most
incredible year in her university hall of residence, met some
great friends and had the most fun year and also
did well in her courses. Was a fantastic balance of
work hard, play hard, and yes, knowing the pastoral care
was there was a great peace of mind. Was a
life changing experience for her with lifelong friends. So true,

(01:24:08):
it's definitely worth it if you can make it work,
and it is a terrible thing in the world that
not everyone can make everything work in life. Some people
just can't do some things that happens across the board.

Speaker 15 (01:24:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Absolutely, But that last line is so true. You know,
making some lifelong friends. That's a massive part of it
that you're getting into the real world. You meet fellow
students and then in your second year you go flatting
with your friends. Isn't that how it works?

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
This person is pushing back on me complaining about the
Auckland people that came down and with snowboarding every weekend
can be done super early bird student passes affordable, just
get organized people, things can be done. Yeah, I mean
I did go snowboarding quite a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Yeah, it's good time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
So that's why I was eating pasta and salt. Jake,
welcome to show your thoughts on halls of residents.

Speaker 9 (01:24:52):
You you get it.

Speaker 12 (01:24:53):
My best friend was in a hall last year because
I'm seeking you at UNI down here in Deneen as
Studham College and I was at home. So a bit
of a contrast. And he is now flatting this year
and he feels like financially he's starting on a back.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Whereas did he get the study Did he get the
study link loan?

Speaker 12 (01:25:14):
Yes he did. He had to take out. I haven't
had to take out alone because I stayed at home
and I was able to get a list in every
day because I live at Adam Warrington next to the
Spaceship House.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Oh lovely and well we've talked before about the Spaceship Hower,
haven't we, jet Jake?

Speaker 15 (01:25:29):
Jake, Yes, we have.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Yeah, that's right, the space Ship House.

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:25:33):
I get a list in every day. And because my
parents would Nick they work next to the UNI. And
he feels like he is starting off in debt whereas
I am not starting off in debt.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Did you did you feel did you feel you missed
out on? Because you know, people that stay in halls
talk about friends they made for life and the experience
of UNI. Do you feel like I do? Because I
was I was like you, Jake. I grew up in Dunedin,
so when we went to university it seemed insane to
me to not, you know, to to move into a hall.

Speaker 13 (01:26:03):
But did you?

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
But now I feel like I missed out on quite
an amazing experience. Do you do you feel like you
missed out on? And think Jake?

Speaker 9 (01:26:10):
Yes and no.

Speaker 12 (01:26:11):
Every lunchtime I'd go because he's my best friend. I'd
go and eat dinner at the eat lunch at his hall,
so that was fine lunch, yes and.

Speaker 14 (01:26:22):
No.

Speaker 12 (01:26:22):
As in like, he said that the environment in the
hall was good at the start because everyone's there, you know,
at the start to be social and make friends. But
then everyone is there for the same goal, which is
being studying and getting good results. So even though you're
in a social environment, everyone kind of shells up towards
the end of semesters. And he said that's a very

(01:26:44):
It's like you're forced to be social, but no one
wants to be social at that time. And he said
it was a very awkward experience because you're in an
environment encouraging you to be social. Everyone's spelling away.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Yeah, I mean it sort of changes at the end
of the year.

Speaker 7 (01:26:58):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
They stopped the partying around exam time, don't they Jake.

Speaker 12 (01:27:03):
Yeah, they stopped the partying, but everyone kind of does.
But it's sort of it was like a very because
you're forced to be social, you know, living in a hall.
But he see, it's a very weird shift. Whereas for me,
every week was the same because I'd get hassled by
my siblings in the morning, go to UNI and get
hassled by my siblings in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
And are you going to go floating this year?

Speaker 5 (01:27:25):
Jake?

Speaker 12 (01:27:27):
Next year? A year at home this year, so's two
years at home and still haven't had to take out
a loan because of him. I work whilst I study.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Yeah, and you're putting that money away, are you, Jake, Well,
you're traditionally put into a UNI.

Speaker 7 (01:27:41):
Hall. Uh.

Speaker 12 (01:27:44):
Well, I'm using that money to pay for course fees
and also petrol when my driving in well, when my
UNI doesn't line up with my parents' work and I'd
have to drive in myself.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
So yeah, yeah, and yeah, I mean it depends, doesn't
it what you think university is as you say, so obviously,
because for some people it's purely getting the qualification and
for some people it's an exercise and making friends, right, Yeah,

(01:28:18):
Well I.

Speaker 12 (01:28:20):
Have my mates all like set up. I met new
friends during the year, like not at parties and stuff,
just in the course, and but like I'm not a
party guy and neither is my mate. Yeah, and so yeah,
I can't speak for everyone. I can just speak for
I don't want to say like them, not like a nerd,

(01:28:40):
but that group that kind of wants to go in
there get the stuff done and then leave as quickly
as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Yeah. So your mate that went to the halls in
duned and was also from Dunedin, is that correct?

Speaker 12 (01:28:52):
Yeah, he didn't need to he lived two kilometers away.
What do I live out in Origon and I had
a drive in twenty k every day?

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
I didn't know when I was growing up that that
was a thing that you would go to a hall
if you lived in the city that you were going
to university. I couldn't even imagine that with you on
that That's why I didn't do it. Yeah, because you
had a home. It seems it seems like, as you
say that, that's a lot of money to borrow to
do that. I mean, it's a great nice to have
that you could be, you know, living this dream college life.

(01:29:21):
But at the same time, you know, is it worth
that kind of debt? I get what you're saying there.

Speaker 12 (01:29:26):
Yeah, like it cost him on thirty grand but he
said it was like, yeah, you meet people, but in
the end you just feel like you're starting off on
the backbook because unless you've met like, you're going in
there with no friends, you know, like having to make
friends whereas he already has me and my other mates,
and so he went in with a scholar because you've

(01:29:46):
got a scholarship there. Yeah, but my other friends, you
went in there without a scholarship. He's the one that
I'm talking about that starting off on the back foot. Yeah,
unless you get a scholarship in there, I wouldn't see
the point in spending thirty thousand dollars if you have
the choice of staying at home.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Yeah, especially if you're you know, like you and you're
living there at the spaceship house and stuff, so you
don't want to move too far away from the spaceship house.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
Beautiful one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
But but the other thing is if you can leach
off your friends so you get the experience as you have,
so you get a bit of the hall's life while
not running up the debt. So you know, I can
see that.

Speaker 17 (01:30:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:30:23):
Well, the people that live in the halls, they're all
really wretch though they're not kind of my my vibe.
So I was kind of glad that I wasn't in
there because they're all I don't know. It was the
hall that they were in, it was the rich hall,
And I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Yeah, well see that's the thing because people are and
on the text machine here that they're calling us scum
and horrible rich people because we mentioned that we went
snowboarding once or twice and whenever you talk about anything, there's.

Speaker 5 (01:30:48):
Do you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
But the thing is there are there are snooty flash
halls and then there's just the big tall, you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Know, run of the mill. Yeah, the beer bones, no frills,
no frills, violent, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was a snooty
one by the way, and Danita I should.

Speaker 12 (01:31:06):
Know that Adam Studham college.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Mate, all right, yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
And then they all hang out.

Speaker 12 (01:31:11):
On a raise, not a hill, but a raised.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
But they're miles away from the university.

Speaker 12 (01:31:16):
There, No, they about all the two hundred meters.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Okay, I'm thinking of a different haul then, am I
thinking of someone someone else?

Speaker 20 (01:31:25):
Is a bit sweet?

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
What's the one surrounded in trees that's super snooty but
miles away.

Speaker 12 (01:31:31):
The one of them that that would be?

Speaker 7 (01:31:33):
I think that's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
I remember staying at night in one of those one night.
Was it nice the hall?

Speaker 9 (01:31:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:31:40):
The question is why were you staying at night in
one of the mates?

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Well, I mean I had to run the Gordonlant leaving
to not have to pay staying over anyway, that's that parcel.
It's not about me, j That was in the distant past.
But yeah, no, I mean, if you're happy with with
what you did then, and and you you know, it'd
be silly for you to have borrowed all that money
for something that that you didn't feel like you needed

(01:32:05):
to do socially or academically. And if you come out
the back end and you've got no fomo about the situation,
then you're winning. Jake. Absolutely.

Speaker 14 (01:32:13):
Yeah, yeah, I understand.

Speaker 12 (01:32:15):
But I'm just a small like I can't represent everybody.
I'm definitely not representing everybody because there are people that
love to piss up every week and I'm that guy.
So I miss out on that social area bym not
slagging in town.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
Yeah you've got it together, man. I mean just thinking
about the student loan and in borrowing, I didn't think
about that when I was twenty. Tick it up. I
don't have to worry about that now. I'll pay that
back in twenty years. Ye idiot. I just had a
quick look at at some of the prices for the
Tago Unis Knox Hall is the one I was thinking about.
I thought that was that's up there, bit snoody, But

(01:32:50):
that's twenty three thousand dollars per year, Saint Mark's twenty
two thousand, Salwyn House twenty four thousand, so it's a
bit of a discount and old otago.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Yeah right, because someone's someone here saying that where are
we here? Over seven hundred dollars for AU two hauls
catered two much And my daughter can't get living allowance
alone because my cellar and her mums combined are too high.
But we separated twelve years ago. Only for rich or poor,
nothing affordable for middle class strugglers. Yeah, I mean that
seems to be in this country at the moment. The

(01:33:23):
middle class gets absolutely hammered.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
Yeah, there's a lot of truth to that. Yeah, absolutely.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you went through the University of Halls,
was it worth it? And if you're currently there or
you've got a parent of a student in the Halls,
how is it going? Is it worth the money?

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
This business is How do you know that you're going
to meet lifelong friends if you've just met them? Well, yeah,
I mean that's just a saying. I'm saying that you
meet lifelong friends.

Speaker 20 (01:33:45):
Yeah, but you do.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
You do fast track your friendship in these halls seem
because you're just a bunch of young people just out
of home that are suddenly living in a big place
with young people. You're just you're going to meet more
people in the halls of halls. Yeah, it's just going
to happen, just natural, it is. And some of them
are going to be good people, and some of them aren't,
but some of them are probably going to be. You're
probably gonna meet some friends that that will be around

(01:34:08):
with you for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Spot on twenty seven past three Back in a month.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Twenty nine past three. A university halls still worth the money?
Is it still a right? A passage? I eight hundred
eighty ten eighty se.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
Number this Texas says you typical Z B. Rich wankers,
telling us peasants, we need to work harder so we
can have the basics that you have sick of it.
We don't all get easy life. You did and still
have disgusting You have no empathy, you know nothing well texted,
did you listen to what Tyler and I were saying before?
When we were at university we had nothing? Yeah, I

(01:34:49):
loved off pastor and salt. I used to have. I
had a chip al a chip, butty allowance when I
didn't have the pastor and insult.

Speaker 16 (01:34:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
I lived in a bank vault that on Vogel Street
when I went flatting didn't have what do you mean?
Exactly typical, zed b rich wankers.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
I lived in the laundry. I was in the laundry
and living on eggs. I was worried about my cholesterol.
Turned out that was a lie. But you know, I
mean that's all I could affords trays of eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Me and my mate's spoos had to top and tail
under a stare for a while at a flat and
we were.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Having a good man is it nice? Cuddler stinks Yeah,
terrible Stiggy son Field's character. It's nice. Sticks here, getay, guys.
When you meet the right person people in the hall,
you bond with them. You then get to sometimes do
business with them. Thirty k can be the profit on
a single deal. You only live once, and a young once.
Don't let money or a small line from letting you

(01:35:44):
live your best life. The halls were the best things
over did.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Don't let a small line stop you living the best
Life's interesting thing there. Thanks for your text. Goal appreciate that.
My mate skip Uni holes his parents bought him a
two betty apartment across the road. Pretty nice too. He
was still required to work and pay rent, but he
was paying three and fifty per week. His neighbors were
paying seven hundred dollars per week. Well, yeah, yeah, that's

(01:36:07):
that's nice if your parents you are too bity across
the road, but good for you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Yeah, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. After we play some headlines. We have
a chat to Anna who wants to chat about her
hall's experience. That's coming up next. It is twenty nine
to four.

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Speaker 18 (01:37:45):
Read more at Enzied Herald Premium. I'm back to matt
Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
Thank you very much. Ray Lean. We're talking about university halls.
There has been some complaints from some students about the
cost they have into Bay thirty k a year and
they say it's out of reach for some people. Is
that really true? And is it still a ride a
passage to go to the unihorse?

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
So Joel has come back with the correction to his text.
He got spellchecked from loan to line. So when I
read it, don't let money or a small line stop
you from living your best life? I mean loan not line.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Yeah, okay, it could have gone either way. To the
point was when you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Meet the right people in the hall, you know you
could end up having you know, business relationships, professional relationships,
and personal relationship with him forever. So so you know
that what's money when you know what's what's there? What's
that thirty thousand dollars loan when it's compared to that?

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Life is networking absolutely and that's where it starts. So
e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. How you anna? Hey, Hi, nice to chat
with you. So did you want to talk about your
hall experiences.

Speaker 13 (01:38:46):
Or your Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:38:48):
So my well a little bit of both actually. So
my partner's son, he's going off to university fingers crossed
next year and he's just been offered self catering halls.
And my advice was, I think you should take it.
I think it'd be really good, and you'd be going
off to a different city. And I went to university

(01:39:08):
in a different city, so I can only speak from
my experience, but I felt that it was really good
for me. I was away from the parents, away from
a network, meeting new people from all over different parts
of the country, and you kind of club together. You know,
you cook together, so one person buys potatoes. My dad

(01:39:30):
used to go to the farm and get sacks of
carrots and onions and potatoes, and it'd all cook together
and different things like that. Yes, you'd go out drinking together,
but you kind of find your people. There'll always be
people you get on well with the people that you don't.
But it was just that experience for me of probably
for the first time in my taking the naive blinkers

(01:39:51):
off of Okay, what do I want to be and
the person I want to be, and going out into
the world and seeing things, and I think it's a
good experience. It's not for everyone, but for me. My
sister also gave me the advice that you need to
be within a distance that your parents can from visit,
but also leave on the same day, and not to

(01:40:12):
stay over. And that was the advice my sister gave
you were picking.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
A university, So just drop off the carrots and onions
and get out there. That kind of yeah, yeah, and
so yeah, have you stayed in touch with the people
that you met in the in the in the hall
of residence in Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:40:28):
Ironically I moved to New Zealand just over ten years
ago and my friend who I not only met through
halls of residents but also lived with for a year,
she went off back and did a work placement for
a year before finishing her degree. She's now just moved
over to New Zealand and so we're now catching up
and carrying on with our connection.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Oh that's so good, isn't it? And so what what
do you think about going to a hall the and
the city that you're in. You know, you talk about
your parents being far enough way that they can't you
know that they have to go wagging. But what what
what do you think about that line? As rephrase the
question as the friends you meet and the experience you

(01:41:11):
have in a hall good enough that you should forego
the free accommodation at your parents' house to go to
a hall in the city that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
You live in.

Speaker 22 (01:41:25):
Probably my advice that I've given is at least of
the first year maybe without it, and just go and
experience it, and then you can always go home and
save money for however many years after that. Just from
my experience and I think that it was good, but
not everyone can be in that position. My UNI course,
we were quite a small cohort, so there was quite
a few that had moved because there was only four

(01:41:47):
universities that did our course. It was quite specialist, and
so we had actually quite a mix of people that
had moved. But then there was quite a large probably
fifty to fifty percent, where the others were living at
home or they'd got young children themselves and were coming
on to the course. So it was very different. But
probably the people that lived at unied to have a

(01:42:08):
dif an experience. But actually I'm still in touch with
even the ones that didn't stay, but that might be
down to the smaller cohort stize rather than anything else.
But you know, they still came out, We still went
out for drinks, We went out for meals. We stayed
in church. We've all gone off into very stimilar careers,
so we've stayed in touch that way. So it depends.

(01:42:29):
Every situation is different and you do what's best for you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Is it a bit different in the in the UK?
How it works? I was up in Oxford recently and
looking at you know, the ancient colleges and such, and
it seemed to me I was trying to get my
head around at Oxford University sort of only seems to
exist for the exams and the accommodation where you stay.
Like what these Christ's I think? And there I was

(01:42:56):
looking around them. It's basically on the Harry Potter tour,
and it seemed to me My understanding was that they
are more more encompassing. So where you get into it
was almost like the university that you're going to. Does
that make sense for am I misunderstanding?

Speaker 9 (01:43:13):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:43:14):
I think I get what you mean. So where you
have almost like it's almost like a little little town,
so your halls of residents, where you is, where you
are is like your little village. And so where I
went there was a mixture. We didn't really have catered
so much brain. I'm going back more years than I'd
care to admit on radio. But we we had mainly
self catering. But my halls were considered flash at the

(01:43:37):
time because some people have the option of having a
double bed in the room a single bed. Yeah, but yeah,
And then then it came down to affordability of whether
you had your own bathroom or whether you had shared bathroom.
But then there was facilities on site. There were there
were restaurants and different things that were nearby. You'd have
like your halls, you'd have like discount bars and things

(01:43:59):
like that, so you kind of stayed within your area.
So there were all the halls of residents in different
places where I wouldn't really necessarily know the other people
in those or the halls of resident areas because they
were for different compasses or different different locations. So you
kind of stay within the area that you are unless
you know somebody that might be on your course in
a different hall for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Was it a hogwalks type situation with moving steercases and
paintings that talk to you and such.

Speaker 22 (01:44:25):
And I can't say that I was clever enough to
get into an Oxford University, but I went into a
red brick what would be considered a red brick university.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
But yeah, what does red brick mean as opposed to.

Speaker 22 (01:44:40):
So you have So it's a term that you have
like Oxford Big would be a red brick but very traditional,
and Cardiff University would be red brick. But then you've
got like the metropolitans that are maybe more career focused
than would be considered not red brick ones. Yeah, but
they're still you know, it's more vocational, kind of like
doing an apprentice of trades in a way.

Speaker 5 (01:45:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
So I mean to me, the university hall and I
don't know if you agree, it's like a nice entry
and to real life. You've got a lot more freedom,
but you've still got some security there around meals and
pastoral care and all that sort of thing. I mean,
is there how you see it, we entry into real
life before you start fledding and getting into the real world.

Speaker 22 (01:45:22):
Yeah, I think so. So in the UK it kind
of dealt with more that you'd go and you'd flat
for your first year, and then after that you wouldn't
go into halls. You go and you flat with people,
or if you decided that wasn't for you, you'd go
into a single bed flat and just be by yourself.
You generally wouldn't do it after that. That's my experience
of it anyway. But yeah, for me, I think it

(01:45:43):
was good. It got me out there, got me meeting
people from different walks of life. And actually, if I
wanted to, potentially I could have commuted, it would have
been a long commute and I probably would have had
to have couch stayed on people's stuff. But yeah, it
was good. But I also I didn't want to have
to fund the whole thing myself, so I went and
got when I did work experience, and then I was

(01:46:05):
quite lucky that that work experience day then kind of
not sponsored me per se, but they helped me then
through university by employing me in the As soon as
I finished university, I went back there and worked, So
that was quite lucky. And I've got work experience through
all that time as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
Yeah, oh, thank you so much for you call Anna.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
Yeah, great to chat with you. Thank you very much.
A couple of teachs coming through on nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
I was not in halls of residence, but I got
a girlfriend in the halls of redients early on, so
living at home, paying not much with all the privileges
of spending nights in the halls and making oh making
lifelong friends as well. I thought that was going to
be making love. Yeah, yeah, that was a fraudian slip.
I was, even though it clearly says and making lifelong

(01:46:50):
friends as well. I was about to read that as
making love all night long.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
I think that was implied with the spending nights. But
I saw where your brain was going. Mate, Well played
to that teaster, by the way, that's a good strategy, right.
It is sixteen to four back very shortly. We have
a chat to Shelley and she wants to talk about
her experience and kids as well. That's coming up a
fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty eight

(01:47:17):
US talks'd be thirteen to four. We're talking about university halls.
Is it's still worth it? Is it's still a right
of passage?

Speaker 9 (01:47:23):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
Eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
A few teas coming through on nine two ninety two Lowell.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
People so quick to judge when they see a positive
You're in now, I was so poor at Uni. My
flat had so many holes we used to out slug
bait on the floor, put out slug bait on the floor,
and couldn't go to the kitchen at night without standing
on slugs. I caught a mouse in my toaster, didn't
realize and still tried to scrape off the black toast
as I had no other food. Thankfully a friend stopped

(01:47:52):
me as we found the mouse later had malfunctioned the toaster.
Our lights constantly shortened with ants. My parents wouldn't come
in for a food or drink as it was so bad.
But now people look and judge Lowell. Yeah, yeah, times,
my god, I had some disgusting flats. I haven't had
cockroaches in the timer and the clock. It was just

(01:48:14):
we just accepted there were cockroaches there. And in one
of my flats there was just such a big hole
in the wall that I'd be able to when I
wanted to hang out with my mate Andrew, I just
reach in and grab his leg and pull him out
of his room into the hallway into the steeler.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Yeah that's good stuff. Yeah, Shelley, how.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
Are you.

Speaker 8 (01:48:31):
Hi?

Speaker 23 (01:48:31):
Good saying I just wanted to share my experiences. I
went into the apostles when I went to university, and
I thought I was fantastic being away from home for
the first time met lots of people, didn't have to
worry about bills and things. And my student mined covered
the whole accommodation. So when my oldest son was due

(01:48:57):
to our university, I strongly encouraged him to go in
the halls.

Speaker 13 (01:49:03):
Which he did.

Speaker 23 (01:49:04):
But by the time he into university, the accommodation was
what you were discussing that there was a lag of
a hundred or a couple of hundred dollars a week
or a fortnite that.

Speaker 5 (01:49:18):
He had to pick up.

Speaker 23 (01:49:21):
That We helped him a bit, and he had also
worked and sold his car and things before he went
down to university.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
Now he's got.

Speaker 23 (01:49:31):
Another son heading off the university and he is a
bit more quite and he didn't want to have the
student loan class have to spend all the savings. Uh
So he and four other friends have already helped themselves
up with the flat and they're going to be spending

(01:49:54):
I think it's two hundred dollars a week each on
rent and they reckon that the rest el trustee Wi
fi All that sort of thing. Food will easily become
them the risk that student loan.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
Will Yeah, and so that first year he's going, he's
going flatting with first year first year. How do you
feel about that as a mum?

Speaker 23 (01:50:18):
Oh, he's pretty responsible. I don't think in the flat
is to get up to any more less must just
than he would in the hostel and ventures myself pretty
can be pretty loose.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
Yeah, yeah, but he is.

Speaker 23 (01:50:37):
He's pretty responsible because anyway, if he's the one that
will cook meals, has fun not around your cook meals
for other people. So yeah, he's probably going to be
the sat mum.

Speaker 5 (01:50:49):
I'd say you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Got to have one of those, Shelley. Absolutely. Yeah, great
to chat with you, Thank you very much. We'll get
a few texts in if we're going to play some messages.
You raise your children to.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
Leave home, Yes, go to union in another city, stay
in halls and meet new people and have fun. Lifers
for the living.

Speaker 14 (01:51:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
This person says, Hey, here's an idea for you muppets.
Get people to spend forty k plus on a degree
they can't use, get a trade and a life your dweebs.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
Thanks Pete, Thank you, Pete. I haven't heard Dweeds for
a week while and that made me laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Yeah, I mean it certainly is a good option to
not go into debt is to skip the halls and
skip the university and get into a trade and get
an apprenticeship going absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
Yep, there's a fair path, right. We'll play some messages
and come back very shortly. It is eight minutes to four.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
There is a large number that didn't enjoy halls, my
daughter being one due to COVID, stuck in rooms, lessons
on computers, very little social content and at the end
of the country from the family. That's from Dave. Yeah, boy.
The response to COVID really took a lot away from
our young people, Definitely people in their first university. They
so much got taken away, didn't it by the mental

(01:52:08):
response to COVID. Hey, thank you so much for listening everyone,
love the chats as always today It's been a great
old of time. What a what a show. The podcast
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Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
Yeah, look going to hear that anyway, Tyler, why would
I be playing this song? What a tune from Metallica?
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those from overseas Ortlanders sound like you had an amazing
Time'll tell a concert next level.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
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Eden Park looked amazing, and.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
What a fantastic band is. More of that fantastic stuff all.

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