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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello are you great New Zealanders And welcome to the
Mountain Tyler Zibi Afternoons podcast for Winday, Winday Wednesday, the
twenty second of January, the Year of Our Lord twenty
twenty five. I believe it's still that year. Real own
goal of a show today we talk heaps about raw dogging,
and we talk about the Camino Trail, walking eight hundred
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kilometers across Spain and just spending time in your own
thoughts without audio. And about halfway through discussion, I did
realize that we are content and you know, our main
job is to try and get people like we are
doing right now in this podcast, to have us in
their ears when they're doing things. But yeah, it's a
good topic that comes around to the end because I've
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been going to the gym and going for runs with
nothing in my years and just being in my own thoughts,
and I found it very cathartic.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I'm a convert, well maybe not a convert, but I'm
going to give it a crept back. It's like shower thoughts,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, great show, and I didn't think we had any
too many confrontational calls to be today.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Unfortunately only a couple. Yeah, yeah, you'll know them when
you come across them.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I mean, I mean, I'm always something that you should know, listeners,
is during the show, I always running a huge long
while I'm talking. So on the text machine, you certainly
are torturing, torturing people that text and abuse.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I will say, nine times out of ten you get
them back around. They start off very angry with you,
sometimes me, but but you get them back.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I just troll them and punish them to the point
where they can't take anymore, and they come on board
and you read out of I think a lot of
people that text abuse to things that they're actually just
trying to get an engagement in a reaction. And if
you give them that and good faith and you rib
them back, then eventually they go this is this is
this has been a form of content. But you know,
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only a really advanced broadcast like me can control texts well,
having meaningful con stations.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Will call us at the same time and you'll hear
it today, Folks's something to behold.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, anyway, thank you so much. For not raw dogging
and listening to us today and set to download and
download and follow and subscribe and such and and love
you so much and bless you and give my taste
to Kiwi.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Talking with you all afternoon.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo X
ninety News Talk.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
They'd be well, gooday to you, Welcome into the show. Wednesday,
six past one. I hope you're having a fantastic Wednesday.
I am get a maddie, yeah, I am t but.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And I'm looking out the window going, what a beautiful day.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
It is a stunning day, isn't it not?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Unlike when we were on holiday and it was terrible.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It was shocking down on the South Island. But up
here in the Auckland apparently be summer for years, really apparently.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I wasn't here. It was great up north. It was fantastic.
Fund a Way Bay of Island's way where I was
a bit but it was pretty ev and topel.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah yeah, and Molbra sounds, I've got to say, old
sounds as usually, but kind of sheltered that you get
some decent weather, but terrible, terrible still go down on
the boat caught no first, but that doesn't matter. Just
sitting on a boat, there's nothing like it. It's relaxing,
it's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, I prefer to catch a fish bat you know,
that's up to you. Even if I fell hook a
blue mail mail, I want to bring something.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Home exactly right onto the show today after three o'clock,
there's a trend that was doing the rounds. Maybe I
did still do in the rounds. It was called raw dogging.
And this was primarily right Matt. On flights, people would.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Go on long now, Well that's where people were posting.
It's basically complete digital detox on the flight. So you
don't read anything, you don't take your laptop, you don't
listen to music, you just sit there. And that's quite
a lot. And it shows a level of control and power.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It's stuff, and it's sort of really saying how lame
we've got now. And before I was talking about the
TV show The Terror that I'm watching from a few
years ago. Yeah, and you know these are sailors that
were stuck for three winters in the ice in eighteen
and eighteen forties. You know we're soft now. We can't
even most people can't go and go to the bathroom
without taking their phone to read. You know, people cannot
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stand being in their own thoughts for a second just sitting.
And people can't hand already even write alone complete detoks.
People don't even have the attention span to span to
read a book. So I'm encouraging people. I want to
hear from people, and I've already heard from a few
people on this idea because I've talked about it for
a while. But like say, for example, this morning, I
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went for a seven k run. Nothing in my ear
is just pure listening to the birds, looking at the trees,
experiencing the wind, and completely in my own thoughts. No
need to put something in my ears to listen to
the music or a podcast or anything. Just absolutely enjoying
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being a human being. And now I've moved that on
to going to the gym. When I go to the gymnasium,
the gymnasium, people just the gym. I guess, yeah, it is,
You're right. When I go to the gymnasium to lift
weights formal, now I'm not that seems crazy to people
go into the gym without having some music and years
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you'd be lucky to see anyone else in the entire
place that isn't listening to stuff which makes it hard
to negotiate, you know, machines and weights and stuff. But
now I'm doing that, just going for an hour long workout,
and that makes me a better person than people that
don't do that. No, I feel like it's making me
feel happier in life, just having some time when you're
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free from the constant input and just being in your
own For wars, it's meditative and it seems terrifying before
you do it, you go, I'm gonna get so bored,
But once you start doing it it actually it actually
becomes quite normal, and it grows on it each each
time it becomes easier, and then you start looking forward
to actually experiencing reality.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Part of it. I can understand when I go walk
the dog, it's just me and the dog because I'm
interacting with Pepper, my beautiful dog. Is that's probably my distraction.
But I think it's madness in the gym and nothing
in my ear holes in the gym were just I
don't know, I don't know what would happen.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Find this study has been done that if you're more
concentrating on your exercise and your form. It does better
work rather than you listening to your Joe Rogan podcast
or whatever you are.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
You.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, but also I don't go to the gym, so
that I'll better start going to the gym first. That's
after three o'clock. I can't tell after two o'clock. Is
it time to look at shifting the summer holidays to February.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
As we're talking about just a few minutes ago. It
seems to be so much better the weather from about
now to in Auckland and you know north February and
March of phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
These are the months that you want off.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But this comes from an article in the Herald from
a person that was talking about Wellington and lamenting a
terrible summer and Wellington, how often you just get tumultuous weather? Then,
but then you know the stats are that February is
so much better. Yeah, February as the average temperature is
as a almost three degrees warmer than it is in
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December January.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Well, there you go. I mean that's game set of match,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
This was something My math is terrible. Eighteen point seven
degrees average to twenty point five, so not three but yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, but a lot of smart people already if you
don't have the four shutdown over Christmas period. And we're
in an industry that is shut down primarily for our
positions that they have the holiday hosts who come in.
But a lot of industries do shut down over that
Christmas period. But the idea of shifting as a society,
start with the school holidays and then move all the
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other holidays to February. Everybody will be better off for it.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So you turn Christmas into Easter basically, so it's just
sort of a four day holiday, and you still celebrate
it just as hard. You still have all the magic,
you know, the family gets together, all that kind of stuff.
But then you go back to work and then you
I mean, there is an obvious problem around Jan one
and the lack of product jan one, But then you
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move the holiday februe Yeah, and then and then as
a rule, people have better with it.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yep, love it, and we're gonna have a chat to
Peter Dunn as well, former MP and United Future leader.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Improved productivity as well, because I think our massive break
we take, you know, around Christmas and adding some holidays
onto it means that we shut down for so long.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, yeah, put it in neutral from about October. So yeah,
this could be a big productivity boost, that is after
two o'clock. Because right now, speaking of productivity, we want
to talk about working from home.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, that's right. You may have seen it. Yesterday. President
Donald Trump has ordered federal workers in the United States
to return to the office five days a week. In
executive order. He has said, this is what it says,
take all necessary steps to terminate remote work arrangements and
require employees to return to work in person at their
respective duty stations on a full time basis, provided that
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the department and agency heads shall make exemptions they deem necessary.
And of course, our government at a sort of a
weaker not a weaker but a sort of a more
subtle announcement in September of last year around working from
home arrangements and sort of wanted people to tend towards it.
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So that's where the world's go back to it. You know,
COVID had people just really leaning towards working from home,
and now the world is moving back towards working in
the office five days a week with you, with your coworkers.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
And I think that's a good thing one hundred percent.
I think that's a good thing for me personally, working
from I was in a job about seven years ago
where we had that full working flexibility, and that was
before COVID, and I hated it. I hated working at
home by myself. If I'd go to the office there'd
be no one there. But generally, I think, and I
think studies have shown this that if you think working
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from home you're more productive, I call BS on that.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, you said, you said in the break to me,
you said anyone that says they work from home better
than they work at work as a liar. You said,
they're lying to their work, definitely, and some of them
are even lying to themselves. But work from home people
do less work, is what you said. So just own
up to it as what you said, they're lying.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, yeah, well you know you've twisted my words a
little bit there, But quite frankly, I did say I
think it's b yes, which is kind of like calling
them liars. So if you can prove me wrong, if
you were someone that is more productive working from home,
give me a call right now, give us a call,
oh eight hundred and eighty.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And you'll call them a lie to their face. But
also I'd be interested because if I say, Trump was
your boss, right and you've you've got flexible working hours
right now, and Trump just happened to be your boss
at your workplace and he said you have to come
in five days. Could you do it? Would it just
disrupt your life too much with dropping off and picking
up kids and all the other things you do on
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work time, Whether you could do it or not, or
would you quit your job?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, nine two ninety two is the text number. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty, let's get into it. It is
a quarter past one, back in a mow.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and
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Speaker 4 (11:17):
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Speaker 3 (11:19):
Good afternoon. Seventeen past one. So we're talking about the
old idea of flexible working working from home. On the
back of Donald Trump ordering federal workers back to the office,
and of course our own governments are released some guidelines
that public servants should, unless absolutely necessarily necessary, be working
from the.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Office as well. They did in September of last year
working from home arrangements and public service and not an
entitlement and should be by explicit agreement between the employer
and the employer. What do you think about this?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, plenty of texts coming through. And I mentioned before
that I think productivity. If you think you're more productive
working from home, I just feel that's a bit byes
and this person to Umbridge at that bs T yourself, tylers,
some of us gets get less interruptions at home, so
we're more which freeze up time to get more done.
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What's your evidence?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, what's your evidence?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Just just cut feel No, Look, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Your experience is your own personal experience, and when you
were working it from you were you found yourself being distracted?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, but I think from that you've elaborated.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
To everyone that's right. But for some tasks, and here's
my he's my wider point for some tasks, and I
work this way that if I have less distractions, I
can get that task done better and of a higher quality.
But by missing out on social interactions with my workmates,
not while I'm meant to be working, but just in
the general day, in the lunch break, walking past them
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in the office, that has a cost to my overall
mental health and is a cost of my productivity. And
I think as a human that would be the same
for most of us.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, I mean I like people and I like being
around them.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to Coo Hayley, How are you?
Speaker 6 (13:04):
I'm good.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
How are you going?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Very good? So you think you are more productiveking from home.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
I'm one hundred percent more productive working from home. I
work in Auckland, or I live in Auckland and I
work from home. I did used to have to travel
from like North Auckland into the CBD every day to
go to the office and back again. Obviously, so that
was about four hours round traveling and so obviously working
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from home, I don't have that travel time anymore. So
I'm feeling less stressed to stout the day. I'm less
frustrated because I'm not in the traffic. I'm more relaxed
because I just like sort of get up, go to
work that's in the office at home. I have less
distractions throughout the day because I'm not around my coworkers
that you know, we're not sort of chatting and you know,
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taking longer lunches or anything like that. So I just
I feel like I get a whole heap more done
at work at home for work, and I also get
more home stuff done in my lunch break when I'm
working from home. So I feel less best in general
about both home and work.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
What if you don't mind telling me, what's what's your profession?
Speaker 7 (14:13):
I'm a head of operations in finance for a small
New Zealand run company, so I'm mainly doing sort of invoiceing,
operational like printing and stall type scenario stuff. So it's
all very computer focus, like I'm not on the road
or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Are you quite high? Are you quite? Are you quite
high up in the in the company? Like have you
you been there for a while?
Speaker 7 (14:37):
Yeah, I've been there for ten years and I'm like
the head of the operations of tinants and anyone else
will the underneath. But we all there's another sales gal
and our team and she works from home and she's
from Walkworth so it's quite a way to travel all
the way to the CBD every day.
Speaker 8 (14:54):
You know.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
Well, we find quite a lot of harmony as a
team working from home. We come into the office once
a week for like a whip you know, like a
work in progress meeting, we all catch up. But yeah,
I find it. I find I'm much much more for
and just generally less stressed.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
What about socially, do you find that you have the
same social bonds with your workers?
Speaker 7 (15:16):
Yeah, I guess no, probably, No, I don't. I do
feel like we collaborate less as a team, but that's
not necessarily important to my side of the job. Yeah,
but the sales team they spend a little bit more
time together as a whole, so they probably have a
bit more of a collaborative sort of working environment then.
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But yeah, for my role, it's not necessarily really. I
just speak to my colleagues a lot on the phone
to clear things up and stuff like that, so I
am muching base with them frequently.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Do you have to be quite disciplined on yourself when
you're working from home, that you have to lock yourself away,
that you've got your workspace, you study whatever, and any
distractions in the home life you just have to ignore,
way of it.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Yeah. So I'm fortunate that we've got essentially like a
whole spare bedroom that I've converted to my office, so
I can essentially shut myself in there and everything else
sort of fades into the background. I do have a
teenage daughter, and in the school holidays, I have found
that as a little bit more frustrating to deal with
because she's just like, oh, mom's at home, you know,
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she can do whatever I need essentially, which isn't the
case because I still am working. But that when she's
at school, that's obviously not a not a thing. You know,
she's a school. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I think it's interesting because you're in sort of quite
a good position. There's a couple of thoughts I've got
on there. If you're if you're a young person coming
up through a company, if you don't make those direct
community you know, those direct links with people, and there've
been studies I don't have them front of me, so
you should have to believe me. They say that you're
more likely to lose your job, or if you don't
have a direct face to face relationship with someone you know,
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then you know, the more you're more likely to get promotions.
And yet you know that that relationship you have in
the office, you know, if there's someone working from home
and there's someone working from the office with the management
above them, then they're more likely to promote the person
that's close to them, just because that's why human beings
see the world, you know, you know, they feel feel
closer to people that they see more often in the flesh.
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So you know, you say that you're the boss now,
but do you think you would have been able to
get to where you know, you're the head of your
your department or whatever. Do you think you would have
been able to get there from the bottom remotely, you know,
from when you when.
Speaker 7 (17:28):
You start probably, I mean essentially for this specific scenario
where were you know, there's only five of us on
the team, most likely, but you know, in a bigger company, No,
Like I couldn't I couldn't say, and it's probably not likely, No,
But yeah, there's also I think you have to evaluate it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Sorry to talk of you, Haley, but so, Hailey, if
if Trump was your boss, right like he is the
boss of America, and he said you have to come
to work five days a week, that that this is
now the way it is, and you know we're working
from homeworks for you, but it doesn't work for your
company anymore. And they said everyone's in the for for
five days a week. Would you do it or would
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you look for another job?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
I would say I would do it initially, but I
would probably keep my options open.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Sure, yeah, smart.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
You know, I've got accustomed to the flexibility now, so
it would be quite hard to plan my life around
being in the office five days a week. But you know,
like we've also got a massive mortgage, so me. You know,
so if I if I didn't even know that, you know,
I just had to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
You coming, can you'd just be grumpy the whole time.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's Hailey. You've been great to chat to. Thanks very
much for giving us a call you too, Thank you
very much. One hundred and eighty ten eighty. So it
works for Haley, and she seemed like she was in
a position that was quite high up in her particular company.
She worked hard for that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah. Actually, actually I will I will say a very
famous person after we go away from it and come back.
Who Who And in my opinion, it disproves your blanket.
Everyone that works from home does less work than people
that go into the.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Hot This is going to be good, all right.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Very famous person that proves my point that's coming up.
He's an absolute wound of the guy, but he's be
very successful twenty six Fast One.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers the mic asking Breakfast.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Tara threats, you've got pardons of plenty. The list goes on.
Matt Rrell is joining us now. He's the former chief
of staff to the new Secretary of State Marco Rubio
and managing partner of Firehouse Strategies.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And the bottom line is Trump and Trump.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
This has been obviously a non traditional inauguration. You saw
him on the heels of the inauguration speech yesterday, then
go to Capitol One Arena where he did a rally
unheard of for someone during an inauguration day, and knowing
that he signed executive orders right then and there in
front of a massive crowd of supporters, then with the
y Ovil offense, with reporters in the room signing more
executive orders. It was a day in which he was
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Speaker 3 (20:18):
Twenty eight past one, and we have been talking about
the return to workplaces, certainly in the United States after
Trump ordered federal workers back to the office, but back
here at home. Our own government gave some guidance out
September last year the public servants should return. If you've
had to return back to the office, have you been
a bit grumpy about it? Do you genuinely think you're
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more productive working from home? I call a little bit
of bs on, man, I just don't think it happens.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, Well, I've got an example of someone that work
from home was very productive.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Okay, yeah, one Stephen King.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Over the break, I was reading Salem's Lot. Man, it's
a great novel from nineteen seventy five. Read it when
I was a kid, but read again over the break.
I mean it's huge, but it's four hundred third and
nine pages, so you know that he wasn't slacking around
at home. Although, to be fair, Stephen King writing his
books at home, he was consuming a whole lot of
cocaine and whiskey and can't remember huge parts at right,
huge parts of the box.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
It certainly helps.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I mean he was pretty Cocaine and whiskey helped us,
helped his product of it.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
But he was also very disciplined, wasn't He wasn't He
the one that said that he had to write at
this one page a day, and then once he started,
he kept going, so, well.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
There's some pages of it. He should go back and
think about why I wrote those. But anyway, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Another I had one hundred and eighty ten eighty as
the number to call lez. How are you this afternoon?
Speaker 9 (21:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (21:34):
Good, thank you?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
How are you good? So you want to talk about
working from home from a mum's point of view, is
that right?
Speaker 11 (21:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (21:40):
I'm I'm actually retired. My kids are grown up. Both
of them work from home. My husband works at work,
but he can work from home, and probably three different scenarios.
Speaker 13 (21:53):
One you.
Speaker 12 (21:56):
One of the points that you made was you find
it better that you can communicate with people. With your workmates,
talk's a little bit more of an environment where you can,
you know, have lunch together, have checked together the past,
each other in the corridor or the other out of
the desk or whatever. As a as a mother at home,
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I know you don't get paid as such, but if
you're a full time mum, you're running around after the
kids doing all that stuff, and you don't get that
social interaction. And that's that's that's one point I wanted
to make, and that's just something that your grin and Bearrett,
you suck it up.
Speaker 14 (22:33):
I think.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I think that's one of the that's one of the
toughest parts of being a start home mum, isn't it.
The lack of adult interactions that you have. And you know,
I've experienced that that firsthand and with another people that
you know, come home from work and someone's only been
dealing with children from an entire day. That's that's very tough.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 12 (22:55):
I mean, you know, like your partner comes home and
they've had a whole day at the office and I'm
pretty happy or upbeat or have had a bad day,
but they don't get that you haven't had the interaction
and you don't want the s that comes home from
work either, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, but that's yeah, Well, that's one I'm calling a
little bit of bs on the people that say that
they are absolutely productive at working from home and they
don't need to interact with anybody. I think it's just
a human need to be able to socialize with other
people as human beings. You know, even people that go
and live in a log cabin for six months, they
get lonely. They want to come back and hang out
with people.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Don't you think it's interesting that the ultimate punishment in
prison is solitary confinement, right exactly, that it's not being worked.
A solitary confinement is the worst thing for humans. And
you know, I think to a certain extent, working from
home on yourself is a certain amount of solitary confinement.
And you might not see it happening to yourself, but
over time it is. I think it does affect people's moods.
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And I think if you're not unleashing and just in
the workplace there's a lot of politics, and there's a
lot of toing and frying and jokes and jostling positioning,
you unleash a lot of energy that way. I think
that people that work from home start unleashing that energy
that they would unleash in the workplace on her partner.
Speaker 12 (24:12):
There's also the other way they interacting when they do
come home, of them understanding and taking on that little
bit a load. But the other side of it is
all my girls are working. They work from home. They
work in various fields, one in banking and one in
(24:33):
she's to work in town, but only two days a
week because of she has got a a two year
old that needs that. You know, it goes to a
center and then you know, we do pick ups and
have them at home so that they can save up
a bit of money to pay their mortgage. So you've
got quite interesting discussion that you are having because I
(24:55):
have a niece who also works from home. She's a
scheduler for a petrol company. So she schedules nave fuel
and petrol you know, all up the North Island. She
starts at six in the morning and works through till
five in the evening. She works from home to her
mum lives with her who needs a bit of assistance.
(25:19):
And she is you know, and she can be sick
with COVID and she will be sitting at her desk working.
She is like a not so much a workaholic, but
she you know, she does a job very well and
she works best from home. And once again, like I
think Hailey said, for some people.
Speaker 10 (25:40):
To travel by the time you sorry, Liz.
Speaker 12 (25:43):
But for people to travel in from like Auckland and
Wellington into their workplace, if it's in the city and
you're out of town, you are wasting you know, a
couple of hours of productivity either way for our day.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Thank you so much for cool. Thank you so much
for your caol. Liz. We just got to to move
move on quickly. But I appreciate what you're saying. I
guess that comes into the under the category of you
could say, harshly, your problems, not your work's problems. So
it may be convenient for you. You may be able
to do this stuff, and it's great, and you can.
You can you can look after your kids and all
that kind of stuff, and that's fantastic. But if you've
(26:21):
got a job that's kind of that's a luxury, isn't
it too, as much as it's hard work, and you
feel for the people under those intense situations. You're asking
for your life to exist in your terms over your boss.
And I think in another part of it, you know,
you talk about scheduler and all the best, but if
you can I've said it before, if you can outsource
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yourself from the office to home, then your office can
outsource your job to Mumbai here he was. If it
doesn't have to be done in the office, then there's
then there's people that can pay a lot less around
the world to do it.
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Speaker 3 (28:20):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Ray Lean's getting some many great calls and texts. Then
nine two nine two is the text number. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number. This is
an interesting point here, and this tests me, I like
when questions test my logic. God, New Zealand has a
low birth rate with nobody left to pay boomer pensions,
so your solution seems to be to lock the remaining
working population into a strict nine to five at the office.
(28:42):
Makes a little sense, and more courage talented workers to
go overseas for longer. But that's the point. We do
need to be having more children in this country. We
need to be finding ways. So this sits in a
gray area for me, because I think it's better for
people to go to work, but I think it's better
for everyone if we have more children, and we currently
live in an economy that's very hard to have children,
(29:04):
you know, with what we're currently expected to do around work.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I agree, Yes, I agree with that. I mean the
reason I'm giggling is where you're taking this, is this gonna?
I mean, is it up to the employer to do
they need little rooms within the office to say, hey, we.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Need Lots of countries around the world are doing because
they've realized, you know, for the longest time, we had
all this hysteria that there was too many humans on
the planet, which turned out to be not true. And
the problem now, the biggest problem facing us now is
population decline, and that's a huge disasters. So there's a
lot of countries around the world that are doing everything
they can to make it possible for families to have
(29:39):
to bring up more more more than replace themselves, which
you know, I've had two kids I need to I
needed to have and I'm not doing the line's share
of the work when it comes to birthing them, et cetera.
But you know, to replace it a couple needs to
have three or four yeah, you know, but meant trying
to do that in the current economy, you know, and
(30:00):
and not having some work from home flexibility.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Well, I mean, would you advocate for having having a
rejig of of the working hours, so you're still doing
an eight hour day, but you kind of shift it
towards making it easier to maybe not have your kit
at childcare, or it makes it easier to drop them
off at school or pick them up at a certain time,
because that would encourage people to say, hey, it's not
(30:24):
so much of a task to be apparent in terms
of I've still got to go to work. We're still
going to have two incomes come into the household.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, either that or baby farms. Tradesmen cannot work from home,
nor can caregivers, hospitality workers. Do farmer sit on their
butts at home in front of the screen zooming regards Kristin,
I mean that's a good point. I mean, farmers technically
work from home, and they're the hardest workers in the country.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
We certainly need them. Yeah, Josh, how are you this afternoon?
Speaker 13 (30:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 16 (30:52):
Hey boys, Hey maddie'd nice to see your abudding sociologists
there trying to crack those big issues, are you right?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Mate?
Speaker 16 (31:03):
We all need three to four kids, you know, who's
going up again? Who's going to bathe and wash Matt
when he's paying eighty two or whatever. You're not going
to have enough enough people. But hey, working working from
home and office done a bit of both, you know,
but COVID actually we were solely mainly working from home,
(31:27):
so basically a lot of our work. If you wanted
a meeting, if you want to call a meeting, you could.
But it got kind of difficult because everyone was on autopilot,
you know. So you're like, are we having that meeting
on Friday? And then you might get half your team
saying yeah, we'll meet at the actual workplace on Friday,
(31:51):
and then two people would miss out.
Speaker 17 (31:53):
So he'd be like, all right, well we'll.
Speaker 16 (31:56):
Postpone the meeting and we'll do it next week. And
it's just like, oh great, so but.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
No on Friday at four o'clock and then we'll move
it to the bar. And there was a bit of that.
Speaker 16 (32:10):
It just gets harder because everybody starts to do their
own their own thing, I mean, within reason. But no,
I think I think the office workplace is most likely
more productive because I mean even for me, I'd get
frustrated because I didn't have a bringing proper scanner or
a proper printer at hard so you get your work
(32:33):
ninety five percent done, but there was something else. You
needed somebody to look at something or whatever, So you
have to kind of go in to work to meet
up with that person and to use the office equipment,
gets set up to do their job and you know,
reasonable enough coffee. We won't be too critical of it.
But it was free, so you know. And the other thing, Yeah,
(32:59):
like that lady was saying, isolation is not good. What
you don't want people doing is actually kind of even
creating their own little echo chamber. So that's what we
figured out. We had pockets of people that were communicating
well and pockets of groups of people that just weren't
communicating at all. So that that part of its stuff
(33:22):
called as well. You want to make sure everybody's still performing,
everyone's still bringing something to the table.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yep, nicely said Josh, Thank you very much for giving
us a buzz.
Speaker 18 (33:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
This text to says, if it's a government job or
a tax payer funded job, get your ass to the office.
Yeahs Ryan there, short and sharp and point, and that's
what Trump's saying exactly. Lots of alcoholics prefer to work
from home, says this text.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Are they productive?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah? Well, I talked about Stephen King before he was
a terrible colic for a lot of great books. I
guess it depends on the job.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Loved his substances and wrote a lot of books. And
it is a quarter to two beg very shortly. O.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
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Speaker 4 (34:13):
Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty US Talks.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
B News Talks B thirteen to do some arts thirteen
to two. There's some great tips coming through on nine
two ninety two.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, like this one. For example, you're talking crap. You
are generalizing that everyone that works is in the office
as radio people always seem to do. Yep, talking to you, Tyler,
your generalization when you see that everyone that works from
home and sees that more productives lie.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
But carry on that text. What does he say next,
I'm a grumpy old buster. You go there, you go
and get.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Far more done from home, the workshop and a mobile
surface vehicle than at my dealership where the noises bloody
rocks radio stations. He probably Buddy Racket Blair and general,
interruptions are a pain. Yes see, I mean that's a
good point.
Speaker 18 (35:02):
I do.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I enjoy the interruptions. Here's another text. I'm a farmer.
One of the dogs was made to work from home today,
left her in the kennel with an image of some sheep.
She was not up to the task. Today. Two others
went to the office and got so distracted by each
other we made the wrong hr decisions.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
That's there's the farmer's opinion. I think this is a
really important text. Yeah, really important, really interesting on nineteen
nine two. For a lot of industries, it shouldn't be
about eight hours a day, five days a week. The
focus needs to be on improving productivity and outputs so
workers can have greater flexibility to manage work, caring for
children and caring for aging parents. Businesses need to change
(35:41):
their mindset from time to actual output.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
That's an interesting one because yeah, I mean, I guess
part of the reason why you want people in the
office is to judge their output and their productivity and
you find it better. So a workplace just wants you
to get be productive and get what's done needs to
be done in a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
A lot more easier to mess and I think I think.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I think a lot of a lot of employers have
the sneaking suspicion that people aren't as productive and that
they're self reporting. I mean, anyone that's been to have
you've seen been to those you wouldn't have because you
have kids. But you go to school and the kids
do their parent teacher without the So you go to
school and the kids do the report on themselves, and
they go around and tell you what they're up to.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
When did this start?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I call it a it's called a child lead review,
I think a child lead And so you go to
school and just talk to your kid that you can
talk to at home. I'm calling them a child lead whitewash,
and what's going on at the school.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
It's crazy. I had no idea they did that.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
So if you're getting someone reporting on their own productivity,
then it's always going to be a golden report.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Isn't It's always going to be a plus.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
So if you've got those metrics to actually you know,
measure metrics to measure productivity, then then probably that becomes
a lot more important than the actual hours.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And just quickly, isn't there something about being around your colleagues,
other workers, and if you see them working hard or
you're part of a collaborative effort, that makes you work
harder as well. That's what I worry about when you're
isolated and you've got a task to do and a
lot of humans. Maybe not you because you're raw dogging
at the moment, but for a lot of humans, any
distraction to take them away from that task, particularly if
(37:15):
they hate it, they will cling onto you know, I'm
a feeling about hungry, hungry, what's on the fridge, all
the vacuum cleaning needs to be done? Or quickly do
that and then get into the task.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Well, as I say, I keep going on. I'm watching
that fantastic show The Terror on TV and Z plus fantastic.
But they're having to pull some boats full of stuff
across some snow, and so it's a bunch a group
of people pulling together and working for each other. There's
probably something in that that if that if you're with
other you want you want them to succeed, and you
(37:43):
want to succeed together, and you become a pack and
you're all another movie reference, it's like Nemo. You're all
swimming in the same direction. Just keep swimming, Just keep swimming, yeah,
Pixar and youw it all along, whereas if you're working
from home, you're all in swimming in different directions, exactly
one hundred torturing more metaphors today, we're going to take
a few more calls very shortly than wrap this up.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
It's nine to.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
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Speaker 3 (38:19):
There be news talks there b six to two. John,
You don't believe in working from home?
Speaker 10 (38:26):
No, I don't think it's very good really from the
security aspect. There's a couple of bosting Little Financial Advisor
and Halfway Choice. Dogs sat a bark and yet to leave,
and an assurance assurance company. Kids started trying and the
mother took quite a while to pacifying. Well, you know,
if you're fanning those types of companies, you don't expect
them to be you know, you just to start thinking
(38:47):
there's a goody still a real country.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
When that happens, Yeah, I mean it's pretty embarrassing. To
say sorry. I got to end the meeting because they
talk's barking too loud. So I'm going to just go
to shut up the dog and I'll come back. I mean,
you don't get that on office.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
I mean, how did you shut up? You didn't he
go around the back of the barn and put a
bullet and did it.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
I have put it in the kinner with a picture
of a sheep.
Speaker 10 (39:06):
By the way, Dave, that are reckons. We've reached top population.
He doesn't reckon we should breathe anymore.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, yeah, went up and up, and then now the
UN is as predicting a big drop off coming pretty soon.
And I mean, you know, there's these areas of the
world that the population has grown a lot, but New Zealand, boy,
you look at the population growth in South Korea and Japan. Yeah,
I mean trouble. In Japan, they're now selling more adult
diapers than child diapers and that says a lot.
Speaker 10 (39:35):
Yea hey, but don't you reckon like in New Zealand,
like we make most of our money safe megrant culture
from cows and stuff like that, and they've ritually got
as many farms as we can. They're even down the
South Old. They've got farms down there taking water to
water them and get thor to day of water and
somebody else's day the next day of water. So they've
ritually got it fully fully worked out. Why don't we
(39:56):
just kick the population as it is, because you know,
if we need more people coming here are we're going
to have to make but we're going to have to export,
make more money from exporting.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
The problems and the problem is the aging population because
because people moving out of the working stage of their
life into the non working stage of life, you need
a whole lot of people coming through that are younger
to keep the economy going. I mean, go back to Japan.
The average age of a farmer in Japan is seventy two,
you know, and that's a problem because you you know,
(40:27):
you generally you do some great work on the farm
between you know, about eighteen and I want to say
sixty then and then it's still farming, and then it
can get pretty hard. I think, thank you so much
for you call John.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Cheers John. A couple of texts to wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
On nine two nine two raw dogging it Lol, I
just choked on some dirry ash. When you said that.
Tyler cheers from Chris. Yeah. Yeah, we'll be talking about
a different kind of raw dogging than you were talking
about there, Chris, cheez.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
We'll explain all at three pm.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Hey, Just to finish off, nearly twenty percent of employed
adults in New Zealand work mostly from home. That was
from October last year.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Get back to work, stop I mucking around. Right after
the news, we're going to be talking about shifting the
summer holiday to fab good idea, bad idea. We're also
going to have a chat to Peter Dune. He tried
to push for this back in twenty eighteen, didn't quite
get it across the line. But we'll find out the
ins and outs very shortly.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Your new home for inspful and entertaining talk, It's Maddie
and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo XC nighty on
News Talk SEV.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.
Seven past two. So the debates about whether to shift
the summer break later into the year has been renewed
to make the best of the beautiful weather we primarily
get in late jan and February. I mean, we've seen
it right now, aren't we met?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, I mean, how often do you take your summer
break and you only get a little bit of holiday
year and it's rubbish because it's stuck around the end
of December and the first little bit of January, tumultuous
times of the year. Everyone knows best months in New
Zealand of February. Yeah, this comes from an article that
we read today Wellington in a good day later summer
(42:16):
break still an idea that's alive. People in Wellington know
this more than anyone.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Absolutely starting to get that sunshine now, the poor buggers.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah. So the difference in temperature from where we take
holidays now to there in February is almost two degrees
eighteen point seven to twenty point five, which doesn't sound
like a lot, but that's a big difference across what
kind of weather conditions you actually get.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Icky well, a man who kickstarted a campaign eight years ago,
back in twenty eighteen to better align the holiday period
to the summer weather by shifting it later into the
year is former MP Peter Dunn, who joins us now
get a Peter, Hello.
Speaker 13 (42:55):
How are you good?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Thank you, Welcome to the show. So how would this
work around the Christmas break. Would we break for a
short Christmas break and then then go back to work
and then have some time off in February. Is that
how it worked?
Speaker 8 (43:08):
Well?
Speaker 13 (43:09):
What would be my thinking that you'd have a sort
of between Christmas and New Year pretty much as we
do now, then everyone at schools and everyone else go
back in early January, serve out January, and then break
for a few weeks over February March before resuming the year.
I think that there were a lot of advantages. You've
(43:29):
already referred to the weather being more settled in that period,
and that's not just you know, it's easy to say
that this year when we've allows each something, but if
you look at the data over time, that's a pretty
consistent message. I think it's got a lot of other
advantages in terms of productivity. People not having to work
in the really hot, stifling month of the year, kids
not being stuck in stuffy classrooms and schools, smelling and
(43:52):
grumpy teachers headaches and not really want to deal with
them during that time of the year. The whole lot
of other things that I think we could more practically
achieve if we made a change from the alignment now
having said that it's far easier said than done. I
readily concede. But I think it's the sort of discussion
we should be up for having. And I note that
when it was raised back in twenty eighteen, the then
(44:14):
Minister of Education, a man by the name of Christopher Hopkins,
said that he wasn't necessarily opposed to the idea, so
maybe he could be a champion for it. Who knows.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
So how would this work though, because right now you
know so would it be Would it make Christmas more
like Easter where there's a couple of days off.
Speaker 13 (44:31):
Probably along most times. I think you'd probably have Christmas,
Christmas Eve to New Year as a holiday period and
then people come back i'd like to do after the
Yaster break. I think the other thing that's important now,
and it's even more relevant than it was when the
idea was first raised, is that people's work patterns have changed.
Considered it as much more flexibility in what they do,
(44:51):
so this could be eased in quite gently. Not everyone
has to cram their holiday period as they used to
into that period at the start of January. They've got
a bit more flexibility and there could be more freedom.
And already have seen people spreading out their holidays and
tackling at different times of the year, so I think
this could be accommodat to reasonably easily.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
So the idea would be Peter that if you can
start with the school holiday, shift those a little bit
later into February, the hope is that the rest of
society will follow.
Speaker 13 (45:19):
Yeah, And I don't think it would, as I say,
be that difficult to challenge. I don't think for schools
it's a huge problem because I still get the same
number of days. I'd just be aligned in a different
way throughout the course of the year and they'd still
be well they go through December into January rather than
finishing a little bit earlier. Interestingly enough, when I raised
all those years ago, the biggest objection came from the
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tourists in New zealandport From what I regarded is the
most peculiar of reasons. They said, oh, no, you can't
do this. Why because February and March of the peak
months for tourists coming to New Zealand, and if you
had everyone else on holiday at the same time, we
should simply wouldn't be able to cope. And the tourists
wouldn't come anymore because they wouldn't be able to be accommodated.
It seems to me that this is probably a case
(46:00):
when New Zealander's interests should come a little bit ahead
of the tourists if the weather's best at that time
of the year. And what you're really saying is New
Zealanders can't enjoy it. Can I like it.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
As most people to pick cherries and you have the export,
but the rest of the rubbish for us.
Speaker 13 (46:18):
To be told, I know, we can't do this because
it will affect the tourists. I just thought it was
a bit back to front.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I guess the big stumbling point here is around productivity
is Jan one, So whatever happens, you have to work
it around that that people aren't at work on Jan one,
because if they are, they're not going to do any work.
Speaker 13 (46:34):
Yeah, well that's right. I mean there will be Look,
there will be if you would if you was a
move down this path, there would have to be adjustments made. Yeah,
there would be little challenges. It wouldn't It couldn't be
sort of you know. My favorite example is when they
changed in Sweden from driving on the right side of
the right no, the left side of the head to
the right, and they did it overnight chaos ensued. You
couldn't do that sort of thing, but but you could
(46:56):
phase it in and you need to get the groups
on side. And I think that the more people start
to think about it and just talk about it, the
more it appeals as an idea. And if it appeals,
then why not have a crack at trying to do it?
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, no, no, I think there's something in it and
as you say, and got on you for pointing that
out complex, but as an idea, I believe it's it's
definitely worth trying to beat out and trying to get
more talk about it. So that's what we'll do over
the next hour. One hundred eighty ten eighty or nine
two nine two is the text number. What do you
think about this? I'm trying to shift the holidays into February.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, Peter Dunn, thank you very much for having to
chat with us. Keen to hear from you our lovely listeners.
Speaker 9 (47:33):
Though.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine two
is the text number. Thirteen past two.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Back in the month, Wow, your new home of afternoon Talk,
Matt and Taylor afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety. Turn
every journey into something special. Call oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty news talks'd be? News talks ed be? Should
we be looking to move the summer holidays to February.
(47:58):
It was an idea first floated by Peter dunback in
twenty eighteen. It's had renewed interest this year, particularly on
the back of a pretty poor January with a wye
for Wellington. Good idea or crazy silly ideas?
Speaker 2 (48:12):
This is texta on nine two ninety two, unless Oz
does it too. We've just had eight grandchildren together from
both sides of Tasman. This would ruin those opportunities of
making memories from Joanne, so not great for you. But
not everyone has grandchildren in Australia, so you've got to
think about everyone, don't we Exactly not a novel idea,
says Terry. Most of you take a short break for
(48:33):
Christmas year, then a longer break in August. I mean
a lot of That's the reason why they do that
is because it's freezing cold around Christmas and Christmas just
I mean, Christmas happens in the middle of summer, and
I've got questions about productivity in this country, about where
Christmas lands and where summer lands, and we basically shut
down on December one, and it's hard to get a
meeting with anyone till the end of January.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. O eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call, Luke. What do you
reckon about this idea?
Speaker 19 (49:02):
Oh fella, sorry, I'm just going through a bad patch
of a reception. But I'll be house and about three sticking.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Three two one, look your back and sounding beautiful.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Oh that's so good, Crystal.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
That's some of the best reception we've had in weeks,
beautiful days for two days.
Speaker 19 (49:24):
When I talking about what what my thought was was,
imagine the imagine like how long it's going to take
us to get out of first gear if we have
a gap between Christmas and then and then we then
we go we'll just we'll just coast along here, we'll
hit the clutch and we'll roll through the.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
I get what you're saying. But but but as I
was saying just before, I think we've already got a
problem around there. I think people put it in neutral
and coast down.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Hell.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
From about December one and then they don't. They don't
get back into gear until late jan.
Speaker 19 (49:57):
Yeah, like, yeah, exactly some other some other people like
not naming anyone know other the people I think of
off the top of my head that you would, you guys,
would have worked up a path or anything. But I
don't know. I don't even know if they are coming
back to well.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
We're not talking about Mike Costing. Are he? Where is he?
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Who is he?
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Where is he?
Speaker 18 (50:18):
Is he?
Speaker 12 (50:18):
Not?
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (50:19):
I really liked his style. Yeah, hopefully he comes back there.
We are taking a month off and then judging someone
else slightly.
Speaker 19 (50:26):
Someone's got to work, someone's got to get the work done.
And I think we can do it. We don't have
to go to fury. And you know what will happen
whether we're just absolutely itself.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. The first go back, the first
time you do it, it'll be great weather in late
to see him, but.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
In January and everyone will come to Peter down.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
And then there'll be terrible again. People have pitchforks at Peter.
Speaker 19 (50:48):
People are ringing up going see I told you I
remember good too good to be good to be back
on the radio waves, you guys and looking forward to
a great year.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
You're a good man to Luke.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Thanks for you cool, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
I'll had one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call love to hear your thoughts. This person thinks
it's a great idea good proposal. Tourism opposition is ridiculous.
In the Northern Hemisphere. Annual holidays are the same as
the height of the tourist season.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, and I guess you know, as Peter dun said,
you could only really move the school holidays, couldn't you.
But I imagine that tourism operators would roster people on
when when they're busy.
Speaker 9 (51:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
We'll figure out those details down the track. I mean,
you know, let's we'll start it and give it a
trial and once you get the kids taking the school
holidays and feb everyone will follow. I think it's worth
a shot.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yeah. Well, I mean you take you know Auckland Anniversary right, Yeah,
on the twenty ninth of jam.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Looking forward to that. We're going to work that day.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
We work that day.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
How did that happen? Why don't have to wear christ
Church Anniversary?
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Well, I'll tell you what, mate, It's not just about Auckland.
You're you're here since you've moved from christ Church up here,
you don't think anything exists south of the bomb base.
But you know, I'm I'm going to be here on
here in Auckland and state for in, for cargo, for Dunedin,
for christ Church, for your Nelson's, for your Wellington's.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
You know you're going to get get a bit of contract.
Eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's twenty
pars two.
Speaker 20 (52:13):
Back in the month, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB News
talks ed.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
In the studio, I've knocked my coffee over.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
I was just going to let that fly over the heads,
so to speak. But yeah, this coffee. Oh no, the
bosses are going to come in here now. Andrew Entry's
up there. It's all good.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
No, but look what I did there. See, I'm a
professional broadcaster with a many years experience, and I spilled
my coffee away from the electronics. Yeah, you know, like
a new b like Yield, have spilled it into the controls.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
You've done this many times before, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Always spill away from the from from the bits where
things get plugged down and all the buttons and stuff.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
Yeah, technology will be very happy to hear that. See,
if we shifted the summer holidays to late jan and fibb,
you wouldn't have done that. You would have been on
a holiday right now on the beach saying, isn't the
weather lovely? For eight ten eighty? Has a number to
call nineteen nine till.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Kay, we're talking about shifting the holidays to February for
the better weather. Is it possible? Is a ridiculous idea?
Peter dun't thinks it's a good idea. And this person
that's written this article says, and a lot of people
in Wellington would love to be holiday in February rather
than a rubbish late December January weather, no change the jades.
I enjoy the time in fair March when everyone is
back at work. Yeah, this is a sentiment a lot
(53:31):
of people are getting. Is that the people that holiday
in February, they work it out. Thank you, Andrew Rushing
now producers Russian.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Mess, I can validate that there's nothing there. And Andrew's
doing the hard yards, folks, what a frecking mess.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Thanks mate, but you've got to say as a producer,
that's a it's a professional, it's a professional spill away
from the gear.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
He's happy to do it, thank you very much. Indeed,
how are you this afternoon?
Speaker 14 (54:00):
Yeah? Good our guys, And look again for the idea,
I think I think we're too integrated with Australia in
many ways. We've got so many of us as as
businesses or or our heads are in Australia, our kids
are in Australia there and that that time when that
(54:21):
one it's at one time when we act their time
off from the Bosters and everything else to do. So yeah,
I'm not with I'm not with the idea. The other
thing is that if you're going to move Gannery, every
ye have to move all the holidays and that includes
midyear break and the whole lot can be mesty.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
You'd be taking away White Tongue Day as a holiday
as well, wouldn't you if you've got February off anyway.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
A good point. I didn't think about that. I do
enjoy getting that holiday.
Speaker 14 (54:54):
On the other thing is that you know, and that
was pretty must of all on Warrington. The weather, but
it hasn't been too bad up north and for the
last ten years. I don't remember a bad hot a
bad dummer. Every Stomer's been really good.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Where about saying oh yeah yeah the winter. I mean
I spent part of the holidays in Topor and the
weather was not great, to be honest, even though I
love top and I'm going down again this weekend because
i love the place so much. But then when I
went up north, amazing and you know, you know it's
in fung and boy boy, they just had weeks of
(55:31):
beautiful weather. So does that what does that say? People
holiday in the wrong place? Move north, Move out of Wellington. Yeah,
come up here. It's lovely up here, Dan, Thank you
very much mate. Well, I've just got to say I
always envied the colleagues who decided to try and work
through if they could. They worked through over Chris Mass
and they worked through.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Early jan and then they took a massive holiday in
fib And I always looked at them and say, you
smart buggers, You've nailed it because not only are you
getting better weather, you were going to beaches with nobody
on them because everybody else is back to work.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
There's always that smart person in any of our office
that does the math at the start of the weird Yeah,
and they managed to take about three strategic days off
and get it and appear to have about two months
of holiday for it.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
I hate those people, mainly because I'm way down, you know.
But by the time I think of it, there's already
twelve people that have asked for that and say no,
there's no way, and hell tighter, you're getting those days off.
What is the best strategy. I've always thought about that.
I mean, like, granted, I get I think over Easter,
you can get three days off and you'll leave and
you'll get ten days in a row. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Yeah, you want to you want to have a holiday
beautiful mind. You want to know one of those people
that just can work out all the stats on it.
Of course, you know, I'm already onto it with the
Friday telling you day. But that's a that's a train
that you've missed. All Right, what are we going here?
Let's go to a cool shall we?
Speaker 3 (56:49):
Yep, let's go to Linda. How are you?
Speaker 21 (56:52):
Yeah? When I was younger, my dad worked for the
council and we always went away in the last two
weeks of January, and a lot of people were actually
coming back. So by the time we were bored with
our Christmas presents, it was time to go around holiday.
And then we come back from holiday and to school.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
So what did your dad have to do for the
counsel He had to be around for essential services, did he?
Speaker 21 (57:15):
Yeah, well, he worked through because there's a lot of
people wanted time off. He always worked through and then
when they had and then they actually when they came back,
he had his holiday, so we always had ours in
the last two weeks in January.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
That's a good spot for it. Really, did your dad work?
Your dad didn't work Christmas Day though, did he? He
didn't work Christmas Day though, did he?
Speaker 7 (57:39):
No?
Speaker 21 (57:39):
No, no, no, no, I didn't work the stacks.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Yep, good man, they said.
Speaker 21 (57:45):
The stacks. And also when you're working through and just
getting the stack, you're working short weeks anyway.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Yeah, yeah, So this idea as a whole land. I mean,
your dad was obviously very clever and that worked a treat.
But this idea of shifting the starting off with the
school holidays to feb and hopefully everyone ouse follows, does
that make some sense to use some logic?
Speaker 21 (58:04):
I think it will be harder shifting the schools.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Yeah, well that's as this Texas is on nine two
nine two. Apologies for the language, Lindo, but this is
when the text are not for me. What a load
of shite, you idiots never going to change the school year? Now,
that's kind of jumping to the end of the argument.
We're saying, can you can you change the school Actually.
Speaker 21 (58:23):
I've actually felt for the campus because I'm in christ Y,
which I've actually felt for the campus here this year
because the bitess just settled down. Now it's been crack yeah,
old and windy, and we've hardly got even out of
the high teens. Yeah, so up until now.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
Well further to our last caller though, I was camping
up north and it was absolutely beautiful in my inflatable
inflatable z Empire tent.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
That's a beautiful tent as well, Linda, Thank you very much,
really appreciate your phone called. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Love to you
your thoughts about this idea of shifting the summer by
break to February. Just on that Texter who said it
pretty bluntly that there's no way and how we're going
to shift these school holidays. Why not?
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, why not someone for we can?
Speaker 3 (59:05):
Well, well, the government decided them.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
Historically back in the day in New Zealand they had
that sum holiday as a long break. In some countries
don't have nearly as long breaks for the schools as
we do. But that was because kids needed to go
back and work on the farm, so they needed they
needed man hours and child hours and on the on
the farm. So that's why our holidays are there. And
(59:27):
I don't know, if you've looked around, I'm not seeing
too many kids, you know, running a tractor.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
It's a lost Get them back on the farm. Yeah,
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Nine two nineties the text number. It is ha PAS two.
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Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Thank you very much, Raylan. We're talking about the idea
of shifting the summer break later in the year to
make the most of the better weather we primarily get
in February. In twenty eighteen, Peter Dunn, former MP KICK
started a campaign to better align the holiday period with
the summer weather by shifting it later into February. He
started that petition which got several thousand signatures but kind
(01:01:22):
of died a bit of a death and never went anywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah, but someone's trying to start it up in the
paper today. Yeah, Andlington on a good day, late summer break.
Still an idea that's alive. It's a good article if
you want to read it. So what are your thoughts
interesting concept to shift the break? Wondering if Australia looking
at it as well. Lots of companies operate in New
Zealand and Australia. We've had that point from a couple
of people and I think that's actually a really good one.
And as is always the case on talk back on
(01:01:48):
news talks, he'd be I come up with an iron
cloud idea and then someone comes through with the reason
that makes it difficult, And that is true. I mean,
so many head officers in Australia and you know, New
Zealand's got a massive productivity problem as it is. So
if we're suddenly in a situation where Australia's on holiday
and when they come back to work, we suddenly go
on holiday, that is not going to be great for product.
Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
So that's the track. We're going to get the Aussies
to do it first, and then we can do it
and we'll call it their ideas. Yeah, great idea of.
Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
S Dallia will follow suit, and that might be above
Peter Dunn's ability. So I think it's retired MP to
also get Australia.
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
On board this one from Terry's I mean also.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Australia's never going to get a board as well because
they have great weather no middle one.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Yeah exactly, Terry says via text. Some education systems around
the world stagger holidays and offer different streams which work brilliantly.
The holidays are staggered, so that is another consideration for
parents when choosing a school. Tourism operators become major beneficiaries
as they have three separate cracks at the holiday season.
Consumers win because they aren't fighting for overbooked flights, hotels, etc.
(01:02:53):
Bring it on.
Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Thanks so much for your text, Terry Darryl. You're all
for it.
Speaker 18 (01:02:59):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I think this is a great idea.
And my wife's actually a teacher, she's been talking about
this for years. Who wants to go on holiday when
the weather's crap?
Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Yeah, And I mean it's it's not a big call.
Speaker 18 (01:03:12):
Like I think if Australia did it, we should do
it together. Make it part of it. I mean, this
is a bit stupid, but make it part of a
pre trade agreement and.
Speaker 14 (01:03:19):
Just do it.
Speaker 18 (01:03:20):
Like like like, who wants rubbish weather? I'm being straight
up here, Like you don't want to go away on
holiday and have your ten fly away? That's what happened
to our kids over Christmas?
Speaker 12 (01:03:28):
Who wants that?
Speaker 9 (01:03:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
And the thing is if from a teacher's perspective, as
Peter Dunn was saying to us before, they are trying
to keep kids in the class in the hottest, hottest
months of the year and kids are sitting at the
desk sweating.
Speaker 18 (01:03:41):
Absolutely, I mean it just this is a really good
idea and I tell you it would only take it
a decent marketing campaign and both Australia and New Zealand
and we'd be away. Like, I honestly don't think it's
that at hard. Like you know, businesses we can change
when we shut down, if we shut down or what
if we do over that period. Some of us stay
open right throughout the period because that's the way we
(01:04:02):
do this is this is not hard.
Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
I just wonder what would the advantage to Australia be
because they have very different weather from us.
Speaker 18 (01:04:11):
Well, they already have. I think some of the school
holidays are a week out of things. So if you
go to the South Island, scaring when those of us
take holidays of days outside. So I mean even if
you just made it one week apart or however you
did it, but I remember, teachers aren't going to lose
out here. They're going to get the same amount of
holidays because that's their contracts. So yeah, I'm all for it.
(01:04:32):
I just think, hey, it makes sense. I like nice
weather when I go awn holiday. It kind of makes
it go better.
Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
I guess the thing we need if we wanted to
make this happen, and look there's some complications, but you
need a slogan. That was Peter Dunn's problem. He didn't
have a slogan.
Speaker 13 (01:04:45):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
You know I've never listened in my life because I've
brought up with Bear tidy kiwe.
Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
New Zealand beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah, you need a slogan. I'm struggling with.
Speaker 15 (01:04:58):
The sun.
Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Holiday in the sun, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Yeah, holiday in the sun.
Speaker 9 (01:05:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
The kind of works. I think we can work on
that nineteen nine two.
Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
If you've got a great cry, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Then well then we'll hit the street with some placards.
Speaker 18 (01:05:13):
Absolutely yeah. I mean, you know we're into protesting, so
why not get out there.
Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
For a good court exactly, love it positive protests we do.
Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Would go to protest holiday parks go up.
Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Get some billboards going on the march towards Parliament to
shift the.
Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Protests, you know, put a picket line on schools to
stop kids going out.
Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
On into it. Man, I had one hundred and eighty
ten eighty as a number to call twenty two to
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Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Be it's twenty to three. We're talking about the idea
of moving the summer holidays to February to get the
best of the good weather. And you asked for some
slogans from the audience Beforemat, and the audience has delivered.
Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Yeah, because if we're going to make this work, and look,
I'm only about fifty percent into it. But if we
are going to make this work, we're going to need
We're going to need the streets.
Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Yeah, you need a slogan behind you. Hey, guys, here's
your slogan. One season holiday. That's all right, it's all right.
Make holidays sunny again.
Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Yeah. Yeah, got the hats, so that would be make
holidays sonny them. You say, yeah, that works, but red hats.
Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Shift the date feel great, Jan to fib That's that's good. Yeah,
longer days, brighter ways. I can get behind that. Longer day,
bad days, brighter ways.
Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Yeah, I find that confusing. You know, we might as
well move to the polls if that's the case of longer,
longer days as the main focus of it.
Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Shift the plan more fun and fib man.
Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Shift the plan more fun and feb man. Yeah, well
the man's just shoved on there.
Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Don't delay. Shift to Feb today.
Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Jan no fib go, Jan no Feb go. Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Make Feb the new jam. Yeah, I keep them coming
through nine nine two. Brent, how are you mate?
Speaker 22 (01:07:23):
I'm corn crisis now. I'm in the early sixties and
I remember when I was a boy the hot weather
started in October November and went right through February. They
talked about global warming. Mate, We've had the worst summer ever.
It's been cold, windy, wet. It's just starting to come
good as people starting to go back to work now,
and you know, I'm all for putting all the ways
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back to February.
Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah, I was just down a crisis. I said, I
was just down a crisis over the weekend and everyone
was saying I'd been cold and cold and cold, and
then then I arrived and it was suddenly pretty hot
over the weekend. Actually, so that's you know, just as
everyone's back at work. So it was it was a
pretty pretty warm Friday, Saturday, Sunday, wasn't it this weekend?
Speaker 22 (01:08:04):
Maybe it hasn't got over twenty twenty teen degrees. I
remember when I was a boy, it was need to
out de grease right through summer, and this last summer
we're just here, we're heaving. We had two good weeks
in early December, but two weeks before Christmas. Where that
two weeks when we're getting the mid twenties. And since Christmas, mate,
(01:08:25):
it's been shite and they go on a back flavor warming.
So yeah, I reckon. Those slogan should breed those long
summer nights from that Grease movie. Bringing back in February.
You will you were most people work all year and
then they take the holidays over Christmas and they put
(01:08:45):
up with us. I mean, that's got it ripped off.
Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
It's gutting, you know, if you've got a very small
break and then and then you've got bad weather, it hurts.
It hurts you emotionally because you're feeling that you're being
being ripped off, because you know, especially that last month
before the big holiday, you're just picturing the beach, the sun,
picturing all of that, and then you don't get it
and you feel I'm about.
Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
It trying to set up and.
Speaker 22 (01:09:13):
Going to the rich Or in April. So we'll hope
to get rid of the sun there. But something needs
to be done without a make because I'll tell you what,
you work all year and then you have to put
up with that.
Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Yeah, while we're starting at right here, right now, Brent,
and we're coming up with the slogans and we'll get
the billboards painted and we're going to push for it.
And we've we've got Peter Dunn on board, so he's hoping, Pete,
what do you reckon?
Speaker 23 (01:09:37):
Yeah, yeah, I know I reckon leave the way it is,
you know, the global things that with the patterns changing,
But you keep on changing things, you know, and you're
having our Christmas. It's our Christmas break. If you want
to have your holiday in February, March or whenever, well,
you take your holiday, take your breaks. You're two weeks
or two weeks then of your family whatever, Just old
(01:10:00):
nate to suit yourself where you think is the best
with it. To sue you, some people there under skiing
and all sorts of It's got different holidays seasons for
whatever they are into. So you can't please everybody. When
does it stop changing things all the time, change it
from a three team to a four term. It just
carries on, carries on, you know, I think just the
(01:10:21):
way it is fine. Just adapt yourselves to suit your time.
Speaker 8 (01:10:24):
You take your break.
Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Yeah. I think what Peter dumm was suggesting, though, and
is that you'd move school holidays. That's because that's that's
a hard thing to move. And it's one thing that
I find really odd that schools are so reticent for
you taking your kids away on holidays, because surely there's
especially primary school and intermediate. Surely a holiday worth the
family is more important than whatever rubbish you're lose losing
(01:10:45):
at school at that age. Yeah, but yeah, I think
I think you'd have to. You know, you can take
your holidays whenever, but if your kids are back at school,
you know that that's the problem. But you know, I
get your point.
Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Thanks for your col cheers, Pete. Yeah, just on that.
I've got a lot of sympathy for well, the facts
that the prices go through the roof during the school holidays,
and we get the reason why, supply and demand. But
you're quite right taking your kid away for a night
holiday somewhere overseas. Surely they're learning a lot during that holiday,
aren't they. You're getting a nice break and the kids
are learning as well.
Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Yeah. It's funny that concept that we have, and it's
been studied a lot by psychologists, is the idea that
we always had longer and better summers when we were younger,
and it's a thing that we all do. We remember
these long, long summers that were incredible. But it's something
to do with being young and how your brain's developing,
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and things seem to take a lot longer time than
they did because a lot of things in you. So
you might remember a summer holiday when you were camping
when you're a kid, and then you find out that
you're away for two days, it seems like you're away
for a month.
Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Makes a lot of sense when you put it there.
Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
So it's interesting when you try and marry the stats
with your memories, and it's quite different. Like you'll look
back at a holiday and you thought that was the
longest summer holiday we went forever, and then you look
back at the weather and it was like that was
a pretty average summer and your parents went away from
about half a day to the beach.
Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
This afternoon.
Speaker 11 (01:12:10):
Oh hello, yes, I'm fine, thanks, lovely hot sunny day
here in Nelson.
Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Oh beautiful Nelson.
Speaker 11 (01:12:16):
Yeah, yes, And I just want to make a few
comments on this discussion because I'm quite old, and I
know it sounds very young, but I'm quite older. And
I went to yeah, well I went to school in
the forties and fifties, nineteen forties and fifties, and this
discussion was being held there. I can distinctly, I can
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distinctly remember starting high school at in February and sitting there,
and I can distinctly remember sitting by the window looking
out at the man on the tract to cutting the
cricket fields and everything, all of vast green and looking
out and it was this hot, hot, sunny day and
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I was so envious of that man out on the
tractor cutting the rugby fields.
Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
I've got this memory from being a kid as well,
looking at the windows, like most of us have that memory.
Speaker 11 (01:13:13):
Of yeah, yeah, and it was hot, hot, hot, And
the other memory of Onto and this discussion. I remember
this sort of stuff being talked about because the other
one that had sprung to mind as the little child
was Christmas and we had the Christmas tree and all
the trimmings and whatnot. And there was one Christmas when
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the weather was terrible and there was snow on the
Tarkica Hill. It was so yep, there was I'm not
making this up, but was snow on the Tarkica Hill. Christmas.
It was freezing cold and we couldn't light the fire
because the Christmas tree was in the fireplace. And I've
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never forgotten that memory. So and other memories have come
back and people and so the.
Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Christmas tree duty was in the fireplace. So what did
the tree go up the chimney?
Speaker 11 (01:14:08):
No, in front of the fast there, yes, anyway, and
the other one. But I think this doesn't apply now
because they have changed. I don't know what the holidays
are now. But the other one that always was we
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had two weeks holiday in May that was okay, and
then we had three weeks holiday in August and August
was a terrible month at Paud was rain the whole
of August and that's when we had three weeks holiday.
And I never I thought, well if that was stupid.
But anyway, I don't think it's light that now it's changed.
But getting back to Christmas and the holidays, I think
(01:14:54):
it's a good idea to separate out Christmas and the
summer holidays. I think there's far too much on a
family when school is breaking up and you have all
the things you have to go to for the end
of the school year. At the same time, you're trying
to organize Christmas and the grandparents are coming and you
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are Prikey, and then we're going away on holiday and
our krikee and the whole thing is all running all
into each other and then Parliament shuts down. But that's
when they want you to put in your whatever those
things are forgotten, the name, and so much is going on,
and I think it's much better to separate out. Okay,
(01:15:38):
we're having Christmas, let's concentrate on that, and then in
February we're going to have a nice long holiday and
we're going to go to the beach with the tent.
So you can put half of what you have to
do aside and concentrate on just a certain amount, get
it done properly, and then look forward to something else.
I think all the stuff that has to happen just
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in December and January is too much. And also with
people how much they have to spend, and you know,
you need to have your spending so that it's on Christmas,
and then you've got a month and then you've got
to spend on your holiday. It's I do think it's
a good idea to separate it out and make it
(01:16:22):
easier for everyone to enjoy things throughout the year without
all concentrated on one sort of thing. Then we get
all told off because we haven't followed politics exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Je well make some powerful points their journey. Thank you
so much.
Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
We need to send duty down to Parliament to make
the case because she made that beautifully. Oh eight hundred
and eighty teen eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
I've got this text here. Thank you Matt for making
light of elder people having to wear diapers. Isn't that
funny having had a mum who suffered a mathistroke and
needed twenty for our care? Regards Kristin, Kristin, Jesus Christian's
angry person, I did not make fun of elderly people
wearing diapers. I was making the point that in Japan, Kristin,
in Japan are they selling more elderly diapers than young
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person and diapers, which is shows that they've got a
terrible problem with population to crime. Okay, Kristin, it's angry, angry,
angry woman, a telling.
Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Fact about birthrate in Japan. Yeah, come on, christ come
on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
You're better than that. You're better than that, Kristen.
Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Come on, oh eight and eighty ten eighty. Can you
hear your slogans about shifting the summer holiday to feb
as well? A few more coming through It is eight
minutes to three, back in the moment.
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Speaker 17 (01:17:52):
Oh I reckon, I have good having back guys.
Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Thank you, nice to be back.
Speaker 10 (01:17:56):
I hope you enjoyed yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Absolutely.
Speaker 10 (01:17:58):
What about we we have movembo, we have dried January?
What about bring it on Sunuary?
Speaker 9 (01:18:05):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Sunuary?
Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Well, hang, I'm gonna are we trying to move out
of Suny February? So Sunbraria and you can I'm sure you.
Speaker 10 (01:18:17):
I'm sure you guys could come up with a from
a with a little tune to the theme song and happy.
Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Days Monday, Tuesday, fib.
Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Holidays goods Yeah, okay, January.
Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
December, January and December don't holiday. We'll take it.
Speaker 10 (01:18:42):
We'll need to give it.
Speaker 13 (01:18:43):
I need to give it a bit of So it's giving.
Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Us the seed and we will take it from here. Julian,
don't warrants and safe hands a couple of ticks to
wrap this up, guys, I am listening from India and
India are currently looking to move their summer camping holiday
to late jan FIB to avoid the crowds. Please please
don't move the school holidays or make it a formal
holiday period. We like it the wad it is from my.
Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Okay, well, good news, Mike. We don't have the power
to do it. And as was a duty said, they've
been talking about this since the nineteen forties and no
one's done it. And Peter Dunn's retired and he didn't succeed.
Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
So you know, you've got nothing to worry about. Enjoy
your January holiday and your weather's crap, so be and
that's the way that the cookie crumbles.
Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
It's a nice idea, and it was a good chat.
Thanks for everyone that texts it and.
Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Call absolutely And speaking of good chats, after three o'clock,
I want to talk about something that Matt's doing over
what the last couple of months. They call it raw dogging.
Speaker 19 (01:19:40):
Yeah and more.
Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Yeah, we might want to might not be the raw
dogging you're thinking of, but yeah, well we'll explain that
more after.
Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
After spot of weather coming up. A great deal of
your company, as always, O eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two ninety
two is the text number three to three will catch
on the other side of.
Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
News talking with you all afternoon, It's Matt Heathen Taylor
Adams Afternoons with the Volvo X ninety news dog.
Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Zib Good afternoon. I hope you're having a great Wednesday.
We certainly are. Now, there was something that you mentioned
to me this week, met that you've been doing that
I thought was a little bit weird, if I'm being honest.
You caught it raw dogging. Well that was what the
internet called it.
Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Well, no raw dogging, was it?
Speaker 18 (01:20:32):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
RD dog getting started off as something quite different, which
we won't go into. You know, no judgment, but we
won't go into it. But when people started talking about
the raw dogging craze last year, it was around you
know how, going on international flights or long flights and
you know, not not having headphones and not watching movies,
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just being in your own space for that time. And look,
I'm looking at this R and Z article here, and
they seem to be slamming into some kind of toxic
masculinity thing. But that wasn't what it was about at all.
I don't know what Irenzeed's saying here, but anyway, it
wasn't really about that, you know. The headline said raw
dog and flight trend may portray portray masculinity online.
Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
But it's kind of a weird headline.
Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
It's a weird headline. Why wouldn't you portray Why wouldn't
you portray masculinity? Nothing wrong with masculinity, I mean, I
think that's crazy for a ten hour flight, they have
no distractions. But the wider point of is what the
hell has happened to us? Will we have to be
entertained so much all the time? And I was talking
about the start of the show. It's TV show I'm
watching called the TERRAEP which is which is on TV
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and Z plus and.
Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
The Search for the Northern Passage.
Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Yeah, that's right, and just some ships caught in the
mid eighteen fifty around that time in ice for three seasons,
three you know, three winters. So they're stuck in ice
just eating canned food, these sailors. And then then we're
marveling to the point where where Radio New Zealand is
(01:21:59):
saying it's a shocking example of a masculinity to sit
there for ten hours on a flight without an entertainment.
I mean, what has happened to us. I mean, you know,
we're so over entertained now, We've just got so much
input coming in that I think it's addling our brains.
So whilst I'm not doing it on an international flight,
although I have done it on domestic flights, just not
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consuming anything and just being in your own thoughts is
quite empowering. So now, I mean, this morning I ran
seven k seven k run, a shocking example of toxic masculinity. No,
I went from a seven k run and didn't have
any headphones and didn't just was listening to the birds
and looking at the trees and just running in my
(01:22:44):
own thoughts. This is meditative and I also do that
for the gym. Now when I go to the gym,
I don't take headphones. Everyone else in the gym's on
the headphones. But I think working out and just spending
time in your own mind while you're doing something positive
and you know, testing your muscles all that kind of stuff,
is that should be more more than enough, and we
should be worried that we can't do that.
Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Even in the gym, Even in the gym where there's
no birds chirping, there's no sunset to really see, you
just hear the sound of weights clanging and people runting.
There's more than enough for ripping on the treadmill.
Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
There's more. There's more than enough. But I just don't
think that people can. I've got this text here because
we bought it up before Hi, Matt and Tyler. I
run every second day at five point thirty am, normally
thirteen to fourteen k's. I never take music with me.
I listen to the new Day starting two He's seagulls
or whatever else nature throws at me. My brain is
free to rhame. You feel so much better for the
(01:23:39):
run and more alive. Heading towards seventy three years this year.
Another thing my running, Sorry just blah blah blah blah blah.
Not the blah blah blah to the person that's a
great text, but blah blah blah. As I'm just going
to say that, I'm trying to open the text of
Minister fail on the technology. Another thing with my running,
alcohol is really drunk. I feel great without it, she is, Dave,
(01:23:59):
thank you so much for that. Yeah, I'm not sure.
I think he means alcohol is really really drunk in
his life, not well he's running.
Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Yeah, but clearly he is someone for a lack of
a better let's call it raw dogging, because that's what
the internet has picked up. This tree and going on
the flight ten hours and not having any distractions. It's
effectively what you're doing. I like the logic of it.
And as I said a little bit earlier on the show,
I do it when I walk the dog. But my
dog's my distraction there. But that's nice bonding.
Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
It's bum and picking up its leaving a beautiful bum. Yeah, yeah,
I mean my dog does well. He's got a lovely
white bum. Yeah. And I and I've spent a lot
of time stiffing around like it sounds doesn't sound great
saying that, but yeah, I mean that what's the difference then,
I mean, you're walking your dog, you're at the gym.
I just think people, and I'd love to hear from
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people on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two
nine two on the text, you know, can you do that?
Or are you worried that you can't go for all?
Can you go for a walk even without entertainment or
do you have to mess around and find a podcast
to put into your ears? I mean, isn't that concerning
that you can't leave the house. I mean, I used
(01:25:05):
to be so bad that I wouldn't be able to
go to the bathroom, Like I'd need to do my
business and I'd go, well, I can't spend time on
myself doing my business. I need to get my phone
so I can check social media while I'm there, you know. Yeah,
And now I mean, people, we don't want to hear this,
but now I'm raw dogging the bathroom. I just go
and do my business.
Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
You know, there is something sad about that when I
you know, I didn't have my phone for whatever reason,
when I went to the bathroom and I resorted to
reading the back of the toilet paper just to see
where it was made. I'm like, geez, what's happened to me?
But I can't even go to the toilet. I think
people are becoming scared of their own thoughts. They're scared
of being on their own. People are so terrified of boredom.
Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
And I think until you embrace boredom, you're not really
embracing yourself. Because from boredom comes great ideas. You know.
Jimmy Hendrix famously created as an incredible guitar playing style
because he was so bored of playing and bands like
Evely Brothers and such. You know, Isaac Newton he came
up with Hang on a minute, what did he come
(01:26:03):
up with exactly?
Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
I know what a lot of the us are, but
what actually was the exact.
Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
One when he was so bored hiding from the plague
that he came up with with It was Eldre just
said I've got to work out out. I'll get back
to you on that when I can.
Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
That is different though from him. He was just enjoying
a nice stay sitting under the apple tree. Then the
apple fell on his head and he came up with
Newton's law.
Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Right, yeah, yeah, no, that wasn't Newton's law. This isn't
you know, I'm being pedantic here. Calculus Sorry, he invented
calculus in sixteen sixty three because he was bored. Yeah,
you know, And so if he had had his headphones
on rocking around their guard and he wouldn't have come
up with calculus. So being bored can be a creative
thing leads you towards creativity o. E.
Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty If you do what
Matt does love to hear from you or if you
think it's a bit mad, like I do love to
hear from you as well. Nine two niney two is
the text number, just quickly before we go to the
break and get to some phone calls.
Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Do you think I'm fooling myself when I say that
sometimes when I do these activities and I put on,
say an audio book, that I think I'm learning that
at that time, I'm using that time effectively to learn
about something new. You think that I'm probably fooling myself
most of the time.
Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
No, I think there's there's room for that, but you
shouldn't need it, That's what I'm saying. Like, if you
want to if you want to listen to an audiobook
or read, you know, reading a book's obviously fantastic. I'm
a huge fan of that. I'm going to go against that.
But if you feel like you cannot go and do
something without an audiobook on or a podcast in your ears,
or music or something, then I think that's the problem.
If you don't can't be comfortable in your own thoughts.
(01:27:34):
You know, it's astinque what I'm saying. You know, like, yeah, yeah,
I mean audiobook great, but if you need it, that's
the problem.
Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Oh ten eighty, let's get into this. It is fourteen
past three, seventeen past three. We're talking about the technique
that Matt has employed recently about having no distractions, no
music when you're working out, when you're going for a walk,
you just are in your own mind.
Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Going to run. Yeah, there's a text here here. I
walk a lot, but never have any accompanying noise, even
at home. I almost never have the radio or TV on,
only just as at this moment the radio. Hey, how
are you? Thanks for chuning in?
Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Yeah, perfect, We'll take it.
Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Yeah, that's a good point about pushing the raw dogging.
We are content anyway TV only to watch specific things,
then back to silence or reading love it bored them
is a foreign word to me. I'm a bit old, Allison.
And someone now says, I raw dog to flight by
so many texts coming in. Sorry that text jumped back.
(01:28:34):
I raw dog the flight from Auckland to Balley nine
hours or so, only flight track and water. Terrible idea.
Don't recommend it should have knocked back to TV series
and ten Red Whites.
Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
The terror apparently highly recommended by Matt, and this one
quickly before we get to the phone calls Giday, guys.
I run off in about an hour, maybe more. Never
have music. It's great for a businessman's mind to just
get clear space to work out the next great idea,
to solve issues, or even just to see the greatness
of nature. I like that. Love it. Just like in
the shower, great ideas flow into your mind. It's healthy.
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Cheers Reagan from Regency Plumbing. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Reagan. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The ideas come to your head.
That's what that's that's what I've found. You know, they're
not just other people's ideas going into your head.
Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Love it, Dave, how are you God?
Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Thanks Matt Hey, Yes, so we actually read out your
text before. So you you run about, you know, thirteen
to fourteen kilometers a day, and you never take music
at all.
Speaker 9 (01:29:29):
And I never don't believe in music on runs. Runs.
Runs are purely for the soul and mind and everything else.
And that's a good good way of clearing your head. Yeah,
not just for business, but just for everyday life.
Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
I think, yeah, and so and you. But you are
you in your thoughts or do you do you manage
to take in you know, the sounds of what's going
on around you experience it because sometimes you can just
get into your thoughts and you have these horrible thoughts
going over you know, have your head arguments you've had
with your partner or whatever.
Speaker 9 (01:29:59):
I don't have to be those, luckily most of it.
My brains are kiss busy all the time. It's always
thinking of things and what to do, and you know,
visualizing things. And when I was working, you know, full
time and stuff like I'm retired now, I'm seventy two.
(01:30:19):
When I was working full time, I was doing spec
building for once, and I was doing past streen Sous,
I was doing my shares as well. And I'd often
when I was running, I'd come up with things in
my head or I'd have something I was doing I
was trying to solve, and when you're looking at something,
(01:30:40):
you get tunnel vision. When you get out there on
a run, you're you're just your heads clear and you,
as I say, your your your senses that you know
after like I was doing years ago, I was doing
really high mileage and I'll be running mostly fifteen twenty
k's a day almost and your senses are on right
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on the high side, and you'd hear people in the distance.
You couldn't hear. It's just so it sounds like even
the morning. Part of the reason I got out in
the morning now is I listened to the toy. So
I talked to the toys. Sometimes I whistle to them
and teach them a new tune. I've got one. He's
he is trying to practice a tune the other day
(01:31:22):
and he could. He got the third note rong all
the time.
Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
It's impresive.
Speaker 9 (01:31:28):
Yeah, I don't think they could talk, but they can
limit you. Yes, And we did a lot of tramping,
and I used to do the same thing with the bush.
It was quite funny. But yes, So you think about
things and you you solve problems. Things that seemed so
hard when I was out there, and all of a
sudden come up with a thought. And well, you came
(01:31:48):
up with some idea and next day you say to
your mates, so what do you think of this? That's
which you could get from. And I said, I just
I come up with these things. And but as I say,
solved problems. Clear your head. But you know, I said
in a text here, I didn't. I used to drink
quite a lot when I was younger, we used to
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party all the time. But then I think when I've
actually stopped drinking was when one day a guy said
to me. I said, I said, I'm not going to
drink spirits anymore, and I'm going to cut it back
in my drink. And he said, what's wrong with you?
You're not a man anymore. I said, have to be
a drinking to be a man. And well, so you
(01:32:34):
find out who your friends start sometimes and often those
friends you drink with, if you don't drink with them,
they don't want to know you. And I thought, that's less,
not a real friendship. And anyway that when I started
doing the running, I found my drinking was just got
less and less. And I'll go to a party. I've
(01:32:54):
taken two little stuffies or something, and people said, oh,
where's your booties And I said, let's it there and
they said there's only a bottle or two bottles. I said,
Ye'll be lucky if I drink one of them. They
didn't think I was. But you know, you went to
the party, and I enjoyed the party more than I
used to because so I said, signed it high all
the time and people look at you, and I said,
(01:33:16):
what's wrong. You're different when you're changed. What's different? And
they said your eyes are different. I said, I said,
I'm doing a lot of running. I said, I'm focused.
I said, you know, everything is just as clear as daylight.
And I just found I didn't need all that extra stuff,
which is actually quite not really good for you at
the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Yeah, good on your Dave. I mean it sounds like
a massive turnaround for you down to running. Do you
have a run with a running buddy or is that
kind of outside of the remit that running is your
time alone to just be inside your own head and
never think.
Speaker 9 (01:33:48):
Well, the only time I had running buddies is when
just when I was doing long, long distance, and that's
when you come across the real runners. Yeah, because you
find most of the joggers have only shoved within a
few k's from home. That's the most. Yeah, in the
morning I run. I take off at five thirty in
the morning, So I'm up at five take off and
(01:34:09):
I'll be an hour or so, maybe longer.
Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
Yeah, great stuff, Dave, thank you very much for giving
us a buzz. Really appreciate it. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty, So I.
Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Guess the question asked, are you okay in your own thoughts?
Can can you work without music and podcasts and audiobooks
in your ears? You know? Can you can you work out?
Can you run with it? Or are you depending on it?
And do you want to try it or are you
too scared?
Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
I'm definitely going to give it a crack. The more
I hear about it, the more I like it. I mean,
I suppose it's that theory about the shower thoughts, right,
is that you have clarity in the showers, because that
is probably the one place that you cannot have too
many instructions. I mean, you can buy those shower speakers
if you really want, but this is kind of taking
it outside.
Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Certain I hope you're having cold showers as well, there, Tyler.
We'll get onto that in another day. But yeah, wait, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty nine is the text number
twenty four past three.
Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Matt Heathen itams afternoons. Call oh, eight hundred and eighty
eighty on Youth Talk.
Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
ZB twenty six pass three. We'll go straight to Sue here, Kiday.
Speaker 9 (01:35:17):
Sue, gooday, how are you.
Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
Very good so doing activities without any form of distraction
or anything in your ears, music, podcast, news talk zb
you love it?
Speaker 6 (01:35:30):
I do, indeed absolutely actually love it. My husband and
I we live on an island up in the holiday
you golf, so there's just just the two of us,
so we don't get a lot of choice actually, and
just getting back to yeah, just getting back to nature.
It's it's fantastic. And yeah, we both worked full time,
(01:35:54):
so it was just it's busy out there. You know,
life is busy, and you just got to turn off.
And so this job gave us the opportunity to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
What are you doing over there? What are your lighthouse keepers?
Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
What are you?
Speaker 11 (01:36:06):
No?
Speaker 21 (01:36:07):
We caretake?
Speaker 6 (01:36:08):
Can I later?
Speaker 13 (01:36:09):
So I'm on the.
Speaker 24 (01:36:10):
Mahones on listening to the Yeah, yeah, can you keep
that up?
Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
That's perfect? How did you get into that?
Speaker 5 (01:36:21):
So?
Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
How did you come to be caretakers of an island?
Speaker 6 (01:36:26):
Friends of ours are doing it up up north and
we visited them several years ago and we thought this
lifestyle was just wonderful. So came up you care.
Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Taking it forward? Is it? So it's only the two
of you on the island at all times? Would other
people come? You care taking it for other people?
Speaker 18 (01:36:44):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:36:44):
Where it's just us. There's this It used to be
a busy place, but no more so. This is the
two of us on on here. Now we just have
boats that kind of pop on every now and again
and visitors that come in. But yeah, otherwise, what's it like?
Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
I'm seeing other people when you know it's just the
two of you and you have your dynamic and as
you say, it's quite quiet? Is it? Because I've talked
to people before. Actually, Andrew Fagan, I interviewed him, the
musician who's also a sailor, and he talks about, you know,
his burg long trips out at sea, and he said,
how intoxicating it is to see other people after a while,
how intense it is. Is that the case for you?
(01:37:22):
How often do you see people apart from your husband?
Speaker 6 (01:37:25):
Yeah, that is so true. You kind of stand back
a little bit. I go and hide a little bit
for a while while to come out, like, you know,
my husband always is off so short. She'll be here
in a minute. I take away while, you know. But
that's okay. And you think about what you say to people.
(01:37:47):
You don't have small chats so much. You talk about
interesting things or talk about things that happen. I don't know.
We tend to talk about birds a lot in the
sea and the wind direction in the weather and things
that may be boring to some people, but they're not
to us. You know, nature is important, and I love
the people that are out here. A lot of sailors,
(01:38:07):
a lot of you, a lot of boats. Boats are
great people to talk to. You talk about nature, that's okay.
You know you should be doing that.
Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
And the more you focus on something, if that's where
your focus is, then you start to notice the differences
in it and it becomes exciting. I've heard you know.
I'm just I'm just at the start of my journey
of not being completely consuming content all the time. But
I understand, like if you live near a beach, a
beach is a different place every day. If you concentrate
on it, you see the changes and as the seasons
(01:38:38):
go and it becomes an incredibly exciting situation.
Speaker 6 (01:38:41):
Yes, absolutely, And small talk you realize how irrelevant it is.
And for the young ones. I've got young nieces and
they come and stay and you know, they talk about
their stuff for a while and then you find oh,
they're off wondering and looking and talking to the two
e's as that gentleman said before, and talking about different
(01:39:03):
things and wanting to do different things, you know, which
is great, Which is great.
Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Well, stay of life. Did you if you don't mind
me asking, Sue, did you and your husband moved to
the island.
Speaker 6 (01:39:14):
Yes, so it was kind of a semi retirement move.
Speaker 10 (01:39:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:39:18):
We've been here nearly four years, so it was a
semi retirement. Yeah. But I wish we did it earlier.
But I think it's probably the isolation. It's probably something
you would do in your later years.
Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Yeah, because I mean, if you're in your early twenties
and you're looking for a partner, then going off to
an island by yourself as a bad strategy.
Speaker 6 (01:39:37):
Yeah, yeah, sure, Yeah, there's old pirate.
Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
That goes by, that's true.
Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Anyone that does come past, you're probably going to get
to know quite well. You know, you're not going to
lose them in the crowd.
Speaker 11 (01:39:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 21 (01:39:49):
I make a lot.
Speaker 6 (01:39:50):
I make a lot of muffins, litt of muffins.
Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Yeah, and then and then you wait for a bit
before you bring them out, till you've come enough to
talk to the people.
Speaker 6 (01:39:59):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Oh, well, thank you so much for your call, Sue.
That's really really interesting. Look into your life, really appreciate that.
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Speaker 3 (01:41:39):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. And we're talking about what
has been an Internet trend of lake called raw dogging.
And I say trend, it's probably not the right word.
People have done this for a long time before we
got bombarded with technology from right.
Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
People did it all the time back in the day.
I mean, it's been a very small amount of time
when everyone's had earbuds and the ability to listen to
content and experienced content all the time. We're actually evolved
to raw dog life. You know, groups of thirty walking around,
nomadic family groups, you know, listening to the birds, knowing
(01:42:15):
nature very closely. This Texas is on nine two nine two.
I've walked eight hundred kilometers across Spain twice. The silence
is amazing. No phone, no music in my ears. That's
from Mark.
Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
That's impressive. Why would you do it twice? And again
I'm not judging that that's an impressive.
Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
Maybe maybe you left something behind, had to go back
for it. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
Is that one way? Maybe that's one way. Thank you
very much. Impressive though, Yeah, Rob, how are you?
Speaker 9 (01:42:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:42:39):
Good?
Speaker 17 (01:42:39):
Good Tyler Matt. Yeah, I didn't realize there was such
a thing called raw dog and it sort of my
ears up today. And I've always thought myself a bit
bloody odd because I've done it so much. And I
even get hard times from from mates and friends and
that because I do a lot of hunting and fishing
and they'll say, oh, I went away last weekend. They said, yeah,
(01:43:00):
why did you give me a ring?
Speaker 11 (01:43:01):
Wow?
Speaker 17 (01:43:02):
No, I sort of forgot, you know. Yeah, maybe next
time we'll take you, you know.
Speaker 18 (01:43:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (01:43:08):
But when I went on away, I'll go away for
three fool days sometimes a week and don't see anyone,
just all by myself, and it's fantastic, And towards the
end of the truck you're sort of looking forward to
seeing someone. But after a couple of days, you just
really want to get back again. And even fishing this
(01:43:30):
thing that really blows away fishing. I get out in
hurricane golf for just two weeks ago. I was out
on holiday and found a big work up and I
saw the first one there, and you know, to work
up as with all the dolphins and gannets and everything
again and if your boats turned up. One boat turned
up with a guy by himself, and he had the
stereo for more at the base, and you know, and
(01:43:50):
and it just spoiled the whole scene because you know,
there's so much noise of the gannets at in the
water and the dolphins coming up blowing their air, and
even if you're not catching fresh, just the water at
the side of the boat. You know, when you get
close to shore and evening you're fishing by yourself, you
can hear the cock pheasants crowing and and all that
sort of stuff that you'd miss if you're sitting there
(01:44:11):
with a UI beam or a big stereo on your boat.
Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
So Rob, when you when you sorry, I kind of
slightly missed it. So when you go away on going bush,
so how long are you by yourself?
Speaker 17 (01:44:22):
Generally just a weekend hunting, so I'll go a Friday,
come back Sunday or Monday.
Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
Right, So you must think, you must think it's absolutely
ridiculous that you know, we're talking today and I'm celebrating
myself because I'm going for a seven k run with
no headphones on, you know, in the middle of Central Auckland,
and and you know, going to the gym and Tyler
saying that he wouldn't be able to go to the
gym for you know, forty five minute hour long workout
(01:44:47):
without something in his ears. So for you, from your perspective,
that must seem crazy that that people can't handle that.
Speaker 17 (01:44:55):
Well, No, until now, I thought that I was a
weak one. I think everyone else is normal. You made
my day, even even guys I work with, you know,
like we've got something to do with work, you know,
with a session, ready to do something. You know, the
first thing that has put the stereo on. And you know,
I said, I think I order to the thing and
I sort of gripped my teeth and go through it.
(01:45:16):
And now even I've even taken people fishing out the
boat and you know the border, so we're the stereo.
You know, they go, I'll put this on my phone.
Speaker 9 (01:45:24):
I'll play the.
Speaker 17 (01:45:25):
Song and even seconds ago and he's in it off
and they go, I think you like that music, I said, well,
anywhere else, but not here. This is spiratle here you
get it and there and that.
Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
I imagine if you're hunting, you'd get to a few
of those backcountry huts. Surely you wouldn't see those trampers
coming with UEI booms and the huts, would you.
Speaker 17 (01:45:46):
No, yeah, exactly. But I don't really hurt huts very often.
I go to South Island as the hut. We go
to it and I'll stay there and I get out
of here as quick as I can. And I've got
an old mate that comes with me and he stays
in the hut, and when I come back, he's cursing
and squaring and he's in the hell of a mood
because all the vegans have come through and try to
correct the life for him. And I've been up in
the tops, you know, sleeping on the ground, and you
(01:46:10):
know it's not easy. You know, I'm not not a
young fellow. So we'll do some pretty long hours to
get where I'm going. But you seem to go to
concentrate better when you've got a four or five hour
walk in front of you with a pack up, you know,
where there's no tracks and you don't know where there's water,
where you're going, or were your campsite's going to be
the set sort of stuff. It's just it's just just
(01:46:31):
good for your soul.
Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Oh yeah, it's interesting because say, you know, humans have
been you know, our species been around for like between
six and two million years, and we've been homosapian sapiens
as specific species for three hundred thousand years or something.
Nearly all that time, we've slept outside, you know, and
now most human beings couldn't an absolute nightmare, Like if
(01:46:52):
I said to you, Tyler, I dare you tonight getting
a sleeping bag and just go sleep out under the stars,
I don't know, in the middle of a park, in
the middle of walkland. You know, we just couldn't do it,
could we.
Speaker 19 (01:47:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
Well, Rob good, Rob good?
Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Yeah, Rob good, yep, but we can't. With so are
away from what we are evolved to be. Then, unless
we're in a comfy bed in a house watching TV,
then we feel scared.
Speaker 17 (01:47:18):
To take a step further, you know, until you've actually
gone out in the bush and harvested your own food
and brought it back and eating it and know where
it's come from. That's just another step as well. Yeah,
and I also think people say, oh, you're scared out there,
and like in New Zealand overseas maybe with there's beers
and wolves or things, but over here, we're the meanest
things in the valley really, which you're wetter than. And
(01:47:42):
that's about all.
Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Yeah, well there was, there is ghosts, and we're all
some vampires and stuff that that you imagine in the
middle of the night, but they're just not real. It's
the mosquitos you need to really worry about. It's only
bloodsuckers you need to worry about. Hey, thank you so
much for sharing with us, Rob, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Well. That certainly puts you to shame, doesn't it. I
Mean I was already at shame here needing all these distractions.
But what Rob is doing now.
Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
He's put me to shame for celebrating my small amount
of time on my own running and going to the
gym with that head gear on. You wouldn't even go
to the gym by yourself. Hey, we were talking about
that trip, that walk across Spain. Eight hundred kilometer walk
across Spain. Apparently that's quite a famous thing. Someone sticks
it through. It's called the Cambino My dad did it
last year in Spain, Cambino Walk. Does anyone know anything
(01:48:26):
more about that?
Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
Yeah, let us know. Eight hundred k walk. Though, I mean,
I kind of like the sound of it, but i'd
need some music of my years of it's walk. Eight
hundred k oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a
number to call, eighteen to four Back in a.
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Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
It's not the Cambino Way, Tyler, idiot. That's as I
read it out, getting a lot of hate. I haven't
heard of this. It's the Camino de Santiago, or the
Way of Saint James, the pilgrimage walk across Spain that
ends at the Cathedral of Santiago de Coma Stata. Wow,
that's pretty that looks that's pretty interesting. So that eight
(01:49:17):
hundred kilometers looks like amazing spiritual journey.
Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
And apparently there is a documentary film in the Texas
is called The Way, My Way, and I've just looked
it up.
Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Incredible And is it solo as that is that is it?
Are you expected to do it solo? I don't know.
I'd have to ask myself why I did it if
I if I did it solo as a spiritual experience
to sort of better myself, maybe, But if I did
it just so I could show off that I've done it,
(01:49:48):
That's That's what You've always got a question when you
do these things.
Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
Yeah, what is your motivation for walking eight hundred k.
Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Like, so I booked myself and to run a marathon
at the end of this year in Queenstown, right, and
I'm training to do it. And I had to seriously
ask myself, am I running that marathon for myself? Or
so afterwards I can tell everyone that I've run a marathon.
Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
You know, I want to here you go.
Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
And I'd have to make sure with the Camino Way,
before I walked eight hundred kilometers that I was doing
it for the right reasons, not though not just so cold.
Every dinner party, every room I walked into it was like, hey,
someone say, how far away is the bathroom? Well that's
about two hundred meters. Interestingly, I walked. I walked eight
hundred kilometers.
Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
Across is how far I walked in space? That here
this afternoon?
Speaker 8 (01:50:33):
Good yourself?
Speaker 19 (01:50:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
Good? So do you like this idea of let's stick
with raw Dog and that's what we've been calling it.
But no distractions when you're working out?
Speaker 13 (01:50:43):
Uh No?
Speaker 8 (01:50:44):
I started quote raw Dog in my cell phone mainly
because I got sick of to the old doom scrolling
on social media and then and you're just fight, You're
picking your phone up all the time. So about a
week ago, just stopped taking my phone with me, left
it at home, went through, went to the gym, and
(01:51:06):
started to find that I overcame from traded with everyone
out sitting on their phone while I was waiting for
a bench. Too free, but just kind of e sperate
time I've got I'm not just sitting there soom scrolling.
I've walked out on my phone for work. So I've
worked out how I can turn my iPhone into a
dumb phone, essentially using their system access. So I've only
(01:51:27):
got access to text messages, phone calls and like a
couple of other.
Speaker 24 (01:51:33):
Things, and instantly feel better about Yeah, instantly feel better Nick,
because you know they've done studies and they ask people
as soon as they get off filmscrolling off their phone,
what's there?
Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
What's the feeling? The one word that comes into your head,
and the most common word is regret. You get off
your phone and regret, but it also stresses you out.
There's a whole of stuff that you you know that
you're eraising your brain and you're wasting your time, but
you also come out stressed from it.
Speaker 7 (01:51:56):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
So if you found when you haven't had your phone,
that just your overall you know, the time off your phone,
your overall stress levels are.
Speaker 8 (01:52:02):
Lower, oh so much, you know, just quietly a little
bit of anxiety and things. And that seems to sort
of itself out from all of that. Like on the weekend,
I took my dog for a walk, put tack them
in the car and just left them a note on
the bench and going out for a walk. Don't have
my phone, don't buy the ringing, don't buy the texting.
Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
That's good.
Speaker 8 (01:52:24):
Four hours later came home. I think there was a
bit of concern that I might have been up to something.
But yeah, I came home and I felt great and
just so much more as I sit there on the couch,
no phone, so I get boards, I'll go up and
do some washing, or go do some cleaning or you know,
you got more time in your day.
Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
Well, well, the thing is as well as we go.
If I don't have my phone. What if someone needs
to get hold of me, of you know, someone needs
to text me or ring mere. It's like, who can't
wait for an hour for your response? There's only very
rare circumstances in your life where someone needs you instantly.
Speaker 8 (01:52:58):
But we're assume we don't want to talk to them.
Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you're right, you're kind of held
prisoner by society. If you feel that you have to
get back to everybody at that exact moment. They can
wait a couple of hours or indeed a couple of
days if you so choose.
Speaker 8 (01:53:14):
Right, definitely, there's there's not there's very little that would
need to get home in a hurry. And if I'm
not available, I'm not available so bad.
Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Yeah, yeah, love it, and people and people get used
to it as well. They don't they if they you
get what you expect, you know that They've got this
thing where people try to do that email zero inbox
zero thing where they just answer every email to its zero.
But what happens is if you do that, you just
get more You just get more emails, You just generate
more emails because you become the person that answers that.
So if people understand that you don't necessarily answer a
text straight away, then the stress goes down because you
(01:53:48):
know people, people understand they might not hear from you
from five hours. I mean it used to be when
it came to letter writing, people would be happy with
understand not hearing from someone for months, you know. Yeah,
but we have this pressure on ourselves to always be contactable.
This is pretty funny from someone. Do the person walking
the Comano Way have the beclaim as five hundred miles
on the whole time?
Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
Was that the inspiration for that song?
Speaker 18 (01:54:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Five hundred miles? Yeah, Now that would be a challenge
walking five hundred miles listening to the proclaimers five hundred miles,
That would be a test of yours.
Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
Wef give up after one mile. It is ten to four.
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Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
Good afternoon, Virginia.
Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
How are you?
Speaker 25 (01:54:48):
I am very well, thank you, Hey, enjoying. I'm enjoying
the conversation. But I had to I had to call
you up actually to correct that how to chuckle when
you said Cambino walk or whatever you said? So here
coming away is the one. Thank you had had a
few friends come, a few friends. Well, there are a
couple of people I know who've done it.
Speaker 5 (01:55:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
The thing is, Virginia, we get something wrong and very unfrequently,
probably just about once every twenty minutes, actually once every minute.
But yeah, so you've got a few friends that have
walked the Camino trail. So that's one for people that
we're listening before. It's across Spain. It's about eight hundred
kilometers pilgrimmers.
Speaker 25 (01:55:21):
Yeah, and it is, And it's a pilgrimage here, that's
absolutely right, And it's it's the process really of I
guess it's a bit like the pilgrims away in the
UK and my background in English, but you know, it's
the process of walking from one place to another and
through that discovering your life, I guess, and finding peace
through the simple things and the hardships that of walk.
Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
Like that brings Yeah, and how long? How long would
it take you to do that, Virginia. I suppose it's
up to the individual, But if you were going for
a speed run, how fast could you do it?
Speaker 25 (01:55:55):
I think that kind of defeats the purpose.
Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
Already out, already out.
Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
It's about the journey, not the destination. Tyler, I want to.
Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
Break records here. I'm never going to. But no, I
hear what you're saying. How long would most people take
to do it?
Speaker 6 (01:56:11):
Oh?
Speaker 25 (01:56:11):
Look, I couldn't, honestly say a lot of people just
do bits of it, so there's no requirement to do
the whole thing. And and it's much like the tro
a trail. I'm watching some of my daughter's friends do that.
At the moment they're doing forty k's a day.
Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
So that's about three hundred that's about three thousand, five
hundred k isn't it from from basically from the top
of the country to the bottom. You've got to take
a theory at one point, though, don't you.
Speaker 25 (01:56:36):
Well, well, they seem to be cranking it out, so
they do do it at that speed. But that's the
kind of speed that it could be possible. Of course,
of course the Camino ways through villages and on formed roads,
and it's not so much of the camping. I don't
know if there is any camping. There's a lot of
accommodation all the way.
Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, Cape the younger to
the bluff, this tacks here that her husband's are two
thirds away through it very popular at the moment. Three thousand,
three hundred klimeters it has.
Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
That's incredible.
Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
So that's going to be a up. It's going to
be over a month in Ireland, doesn't it really easy? Yeah,
not that we're very focused on the duration. We're moving
the point of the spiritual nature. As I pointed out.
Speaker 3 (01:57:18):
Virginia, thank you very much, Thank you, have a great afternoon.
All right, I'm convinced Now, this idea of raw dogging
or working out.
Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
Or living with that distraction, you don't have. You don't
have to start with the Camino Trail. You don't have
to start with eight hundred k across Spain. Tyler. Maybe
just go for a run, a five k run without
your headphones on. Just start there and work up from there.
Speaker 3 (01:57:40):
I'll give it a crack and report back. So not
listening to the proclaimers five hundred miles.
Speaker 2 (01:57:44):
We need need some peace, you know, get it one
with ourselves a little bit more. Sounds cliche, but we do.
Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
All right, have a peaceful afternoon, and we'll catch you
again tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
And give them the taste of care with me.
Speaker 1 (01:58:07):
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