Full Show Podcast: 24 October 2024

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for Thursday the 24th of October, the role of CCTV in crime prevention and resolution was front of mind after police released very clear camera footage of the alleged offender in the bus stabbing case.

Then the duo's attention turned to the wide variance in doctors fees - are doctors just like any other business or should fees be consistent across the board? 

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to the matt
and Tyler Afternoons Full Show podcast for Thursday, the twenty
fourth of October. We have a fantastic show for you today,
including a deep dive into CCTV footage. Yeah, and the
rules around filming your neighbors.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
You'll be pretty hot on the fact that if you've
got a CCTV camera at home, don't point it on
the street. Just don't do it.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
No, Marty mcflying, and don't.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Point it in your neighbor's backyard.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
And then we talked about some GPS as well, and
Mary got her package delivered whilst we were.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Talking to her on it.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
That was tense, wasn't it. That was a tense twenty
minutes when she's running after the caurier. I don't want
to say two more, but what she got she was
heavy with.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yeah, So enjoy the podcast and give them a taste
of Kiwi from me.

Speaker 6 (01:05):
You're on New Home for insightful and ed Talk.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
It's Mattie and Tyler Adams afternoons on News Talk zebby.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Very very good afternoon to you. Happy Thursday. Welcome into
the show, Matt in Tyler with you until four pm.
Matts how you're doing very.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Good so as we keep saying. It's our third week
on the Matt and Tyler Afternoons on ZB. I didn't
know there was a dress code. The bosses came in
before and they were like, lift your standards. You've turned
up in a full suit and tie.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah. Well, if you read your contract properly, Matt, you
would have seen that there is a dress code here.
You know you're on the first level now.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, And I got hassled about my rugby shirt and
my cap.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
You mentioned earlier a couple of weeks ago you love
a black T shirt, and you do. I don't know
if it's the same black T shirt that you wear
day in and day out. Are they different T shirts other?

Speaker 6 (01:53):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Sometimes there are different ones. Sometimes it's the same one.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Like one day, one way the internet inside out and
we're the same teacher the next day.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
So rotation of about three years.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, efficient because saving water or something.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, but there's nothing in my contract that I have
to look good, you know, this is radio.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, and thank goodness for that as well. Right on
to the show today after three o'clock, we are going
to be talking about parking. There is a bit of
a kerfuffle in christ Church over car parks that are
way too small apparently.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, that's right there in christ Church. A move to
increase the number of parking spaces on a central christ
Church street has left them.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Too tight for larger cars to park in. The parks
are on as if.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Street only four point six meters. That's a depth not with.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
You can get a Nakar in there, easy, easy.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Well, that's enough space for a Suzuki Swift.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I reckon clips in there.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
One one on the Bachelor. You can park that in there.
How many Suzuki Swifts are on the road, They're.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Everywhere, so many, and it's the most popular car in
all colors. But what about someone with a Ranger or
a Ram? Should there be a minimum size of cars?
Is this is this ute discrimination?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I think it is absolutely, it's a discrimination, just.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Van discrimination and discrimination? Is this people that actually make
a living using their vehicle discrimination?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Are the car parks getting too small? And I think
they are around the country. But we're also going to
be talking about parking crimes. That's after three o'clock. After
two o'clock. The cost of going to see a GP,
it's pretty varied around clinics and around the country. Sometimes
with clinics in the same suburb. There's a couple of
clinics in Ponsonbe charging ninety dollars to go see your

(03:40):
local doctor, and then one across the road that charges
twenty bucks. So we're going to have a chat about
why why is it so expensive? What is it like
for you to actually go and see your doctor. That's
still an issue.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, well, doctors are in business, aren't they. That's what
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
They've trained hard, they've become a doctor, They've gone at
a business. Then they charge what they can.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, it's supply and demand. Yeah, well, I.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Think there's a little about with this discussion, as I
actually think they need to be subsidized more. I think
it makes more sense to be looking at the primary care.
That to me is more important. If you get that
sorted and someone's got nailments and they get to their
GP and they don't have to worry about cost and
they can get in quickly, then hopefully that saves them
from going to the hospital and ending up costing us

(04:22):
way more.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Why should I have to pay for hypochondriaxlte you tyler
that go on every time one of your toenails.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Gets too long?

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Well, yeah, yeah, good question.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I mean there's a lot of people, there's people that
go you know, a lot of means should go to
the doctor more, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
But when was the last time you went.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
I've been trying to go to the doctor.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Actually, yeah, I'm getting a lot of pressure at home
to go to the doctor doe to digestive issue.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
But that I don't want to talk too much about it.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, let's not get too deep into that.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I reach out to my doctor and there's like, you
can get your next available opportunities in two and a
half weeks.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, so for most people, you know, particularly if you
need to take some time off work, two weeks is
too long. But that's after two o'clock because right now
we want to talk about CCTV.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, and New Zealand police have been given the legal
clearance to continue tapping into pray cameras more than two
hundred thousand times a year for evidence and newly released rulings.
Judges knocked back several legal challenges that argue that it
should be inadmissible to rely on the number plate identifying cameras.
One judge said, whilst we might feel uncomfortable by the

(05:24):
idea of being watched, the reality of life today is
that CCTV is ubiquitous.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
So how do you feel about CCDV. Do you mind
being filmed all the time? Tyler?

Speaker 7 (05:35):
Hmmm?

Speaker 8 (05:36):
Do you like it?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Do you like that cops could could grab private footage
that you're filmed on your CCTV.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
I'd say two years ago, I felt it was unnecessary
for them to tap into those CCTV cameras around the
country to the extent that they are doing. I thought
that was too much. Now I've changed my mind. I
actually think it's a good thing. And you look at
places like London specifically, I think they've got the most
CCTV cameras per square meter anywhere in the world.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Beijing might be getting close at the moment.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, Beijing's getting up there. But they use that to
hopefully stop crimes, and if they can't stop a crime,
then to solve crimes. And we've seen that today. One
of the most desperately tragic stories we've seen for some
time at this stabbing on the bus and on a
hunger and they're now looking for this individual, this alleged individual.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Thankfully, this is very clear CCTV footage exactly.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
So that comes to the for today in particular, that
that is a very key tool for the police to
tap into. But I'd love to hear from you on
this one. Do you feel uncomfortable that the police can
access this footage? A lot of it is used while
you're driving around. I mean, these are that they call
it the a n p R, which is the automatic
number plate recognition software.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, so I guess the argument is, if you're doing
nothing wrong, that's that's fine. So if you don't commit
any crimes, and who cares how much you're being filmed.
But then going to the future, who decides what's right
and wrong? You know, you can end up in a
situation where a different government comes in and they decide
things are wrong that you might not agree with.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, have you got CCTV footage or cameras at your place?

Speaker 4 (07:12):
I do. I do have a few.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I've got one at the door, which I find very
handy because if say a career is dropping something off
that a little thing rings on my phone yep, And
I can see the courier and I can each and
talk to them, and I say, just leave it their mate,
and he says you need a signature, and I say
just leave it their mate and he says, no, you
need a signature.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
And then I say, just hip it over the back fence.
But yeah, do you have a CCDV footage that's set
up there.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
I don't, No, never have looked at it. And if
a police officer was to knock on my door, if
I had that set up and say there's been something
that's happened in the neighborhood, we need to have a
look at your footage, I think I'd absolutely say yeah,
go for gold. But if it was inside the house,
you know, I mean, that's when questions I'd start asking

(07:57):
questions about, Okay, why do you need it because it says,
you know, my own private setup. Even if I said no,
I'm sure they could overrule me and say, well we
asked nicely, but it doesn't really matter. Were not asked skin.
Now we're going to take it because we need it
for evidence.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, well, I mean it depends what the remitter is.
So I mean, we're all committing the odd little blemish
on society, aren't we in our houses? I mean, who's
doing everything one hundred percent right? But so, yeah, do
you have CCTV footage oe E one hundred and eighty
ten to eighty tell us about your setup and why?
And do you feel comfortable that you're being filmed all
all the time and even under a private situation that

(08:34):
police can access that.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
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Speaker 1 (08:41):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 3 (08:50):
Be good afternoon. It's sixteen past one, and we are
talking about CCTV footage and cameras a lot of texts
coming through on people who have personal setups in their home.
And I would say, now, Matt, from my friend group,
more people, more of my friends would have their own
home set up than not. I don't have it.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
I've got one. Yeah, I've got I've got a few
cameras going in my house.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
And you mentioned it was there for the posty so
he doesn't break your year delicate package when he's delivering it.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, a little bit like that as well. But also
you want to see who's that coming to your door,
you know. I remember there was I'd left my bin
out at one point and one of my neighbors shoved
it in my door angrily, and I was on holiday.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
He was angry that I'd left my bin out and
he shoved it angryly.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
There's a big bang, and when there's a big noise,
it fires up and it'll contact me.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
And I saw who was doing it, and I was like.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, got you now, Yeah, got you.

Speaker 8 (09:45):
Now.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
That's the holidays, I'm not able to get my bins
and all the time.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
But yeah, I mean there's a lot of reason to
have CCDV footage that aren't necessarily security, but security security
is a good reason. I was on holiday once and
I checked the CCDV cameras at home and realized I'd
lift a door open and it was a reasonably rainy
season and there was a bit of it was.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
A bit of water coming in the deck. Good deck sliders.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
But yeah, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty have you
have you used your CCDV footage?

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Just you have you have you busted something. Have you
done it?

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Would you be happy please accessing your CCDV footage?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, just on that. I remember when the explosion of
private CCTV cameras started happening. That would have been, you know,
arguably sort of four or five years ago that a
lot of people started to get them. Then they started
to post up on the community Facebook pages images of
what they thought was someone snooping around their property or
doing something a bit suspicious. Initially, I thought, oh, that's

(10:41):
a bit far, because what if you're wrong? What if
that person is just innocently doing whatever they're doing. Now again,
I think I've changed my mind that that is a
good thing, that's neighborly to do. To say, So, this
is what I've found.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
So who judges if that person is suspicious? So someone's
putting something up on Facebook and they say, this person
walking down the street, like.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
You just judging me before for my mustache. She said, oh,
look suspicious.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
If you're snooping around in my rubbish bins at three
o'clock in the morning, and say, oh, no, he's fine,
he's just you know'. That's what it does. Eighty love
to hear from you on this one. Get a Rob.

Speaker 9 (11:14):
Hello, how are we going?

Speaker 7 (11:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (11:15):
Good?

Speaker 3 (11:15):
What's your take on the rise of CCTV cameras.

Speaker 9 (11:20):
I think it's reasonably inevitable. It does come back to
that privacy question, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
And how do you feel about it? Have you got
cameras at your home or your place of work?

Speaker 9 (11:32):
I haven't got cameras at home, but I have got
cameras at a building that I manage, and I've been
quietly upgrading those cameras over the years, and they've proved
to be pretty much invaluable when it comes to solving
crimes and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
So what have you what have you seen? What have
you come across?

Speaker 9 (11:53):
Okay, I'll give you an example of the last big
one we had was some kids from time to time
come into the complex and they they it's a generational thing.
It's I deal with it a couple of times now.
They come in, they off a little thieving things like
stealing pies or drinks or something like that, and then
they up to breaking into cars and backs of shops

(12:17):
and before you up the other doing an arm rob
around the dairy out the front or something like that.
And we get the CCTV footage for this and I
do up a little bit of a report, give it
to the hoover has been affected, and pass it on
to the police, and then eventually the police will ask
for the CCTV footage and it all goes from there.
So the last time around, it was a group of boys.

(12:38):
They came in. We were able to follow them from
when they when they came into the.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Complex at these retail as retail establishment.

Speaker 9 (12:48):
Retail and residential upstairs. So they went through the commercial,
went upstairs, went through the residential. A bit disappointing because
our residents were feeling so secure that half of them
hadn't actually been locking their cars. And so anyway, I
do up my report all the all the steel shots
and stuff like that, give it to every single person

(13:11):
who's affected, tell them to report that to the police.
Eventually I get a call from police asking for the
CCDV footage. In this case, I'd already supplied the footage
to my contact at the local police station and I said, look,
I'm happy to supply you with the footage, but he
may want to coordinate with them, and they said, yeah,
that's a great idea. Then eventually I get a phone

(13:31):
call from a detective and he's got a whole pile
of files turned up on his desk. He wants to
come down and have a look at the place.

Speaker 10 (13:39):
Now.

Speaker 9 (13:39):
I think that resulted in the finish to telling like
about forty three charges, and it was all due to
the fact that it was you know, they were wearing
a mask, but they took the mast off to light
a cigarette off right in front of one of our
best cameras. That identified one which then identified the whole group,

(14:03):
so we're able to tell them exactly where they lived,
they were locals. It led to a car that they
use for one of our burglaries was stolen. That same
stolen car was used in a smash and grab at
the jewelry shop, and the whole thing just daisy chained
off that. So yeah, I think we couldn't do in
half what we do without the high definition, high quality

(14:25):
CCTV that we currently use today. But i'd also I
talked about at the beginning about the privacy side of things,
and I think that'll be a concern to a lot
of people. You know, what what is it, you know
people taking photographs or video footage in public, and people
tend to get a little bit upset about that.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, well just on just on that, rob. So a
lot of people with their home set up might have
a camera facing the street, right, And I've seen that.
I've seen this happen on a community Facebook page where
they have picked up an image of someone walking along
the street and they have accused them of doing something
a little bit nefarious, nothing too crazy, but they've basically said, hey,
look out for this person. I saw them trying to

(15:09):
break into cars down the street. Do you think that
goes too far? Because at that point, that is just
you know, an average ordinary citizen making an accusation and
then posting that in the public forum.

Speaker 9 (15:23):
Yeah, that's probably a little bit over the top unless
you actually saw them breaking into the car. Yeah, not
suspecting somebody breaking into a car.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Really dodgy territory when you start just profiling someone as
being dodging and then putting them up on Facebook's exactly exactly.

Speaker 9 (15:44):
But I mean, okay, from the point of view of privacy,
there's levels of privacy. So if you're in public, walking
around the streets, you've got zero expectation of privacy. People
can take photos, videos.

Speaker 11 (15:57):
You're people looking at you, look at you, you're probably
walking past two hundred CCTV cameras in the case of that,
So there's a zero expectation of privacy there now.

Speaker 9 (16:11):
And you go into a public area on private property,
say a shopping mall for example, So what you've got
there is again a really low expectation of privacy. You know,
you're still covered by CCTV cameras. You still got people
walking around taking photos of trees or doors or stores,

(16:33):
and you just happen to get caught up in the
picture or for whatever reason. Really, now the property, the
authorized donor or manager whoever that property, they can have
a policy or come up to you and say, look,
we don't want you to take photos, and that's fine.
At that stage, you have to stop taking those photos
because you no longer have that implied permission. And then,

(16:55):
of course the final level of privacy is in your
private home, where you have a very high expectation of privacy,
don't you. So when we've said about cameras here at
the complex, we've got really good coverage in our commercial areas,
but we've got really patchy coverage in our residential area.
And the cameras we've set up have been set up

(17:16):
in such a way that they don't go looking through
people's bedroom windows and stuff like that. Does that make
any sense?

Speaker 3 (17:23):
It does? Yeah, yeah, no, good point, Rob, and great
call to kick us off. And as Rob said, the
cameras at his place of business very successful when solving
a raft of crimes. You know, these these young offenders
grabbed a car that they use for ram raiding and
then targeted his business. But on the privacy side of things,
it is it's a can of worms.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah yeah, Well, do you have CCDV footage set up privately?

Speaker 4 (17:47):
How have you used it? Would you be happy police
accessing it?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
And how do you feel about Tyler's favorite thing, which
is taking a pictures of people that he's suspicious of
and putting them on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I'm going to move into your neighborhood. I'll get you, oh,
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Speaker 3 (18:47):
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Speaker 2 (18:49):
You were talking about CCTV footage. I think there's a
big difference between private and public CCTV footage. Most people
probably don't mind the police having access to cameras on
the street to try and clamp down on crime and
as to get into a social credits system like they're
running in China, where they judge you on a bunch.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
Of moral moral levels.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
But I don't feel comfortable if someone filming having their
CCTV footage blasting out onto the street, a private citizen
and then putting that footage up on Facebook. Or the
worst situation is someone who's CCTV footage encroaches on your
property and they're filming you on your property, I mean
through a window for example, And that has happened.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
So it starts getting murky, doesn't it. It's a bit
peeping time at that point, Chris, you're pro CCTV.

Speaker 9 (19:37):
I am.

Speaker 14 (19:37):
And the reason is I had a cafe in a
town that's a little bit notorious for bad behavior, and
I had a motion detect the camera that would because
I was in an arcade, and so people would go
there at nighttime after eight pm, my camera would come

(20:00):
on and what it would show me was people because
no one should try to get in or out of
there after seven pm because the building with those So
what happened this one particular life my night, this motion
partika went off. They seem her ping via the app
and I was watching it, and there was a guy

(20:22):
with a woman who's clearly had too much alcohol and
she had like come into this little arcade to just
lie down and try to go to sleep. And the
way that this particular man was trying to wake him
up so wake her up was not the way that
I would, so I had. I had the footage right

(20:48):
in front of me watching this. So I called the
local police station and I said to them, I am
watching this live. Go to this cafe. It's literally two
hundred meters from you. This is domestic violence, trust me.
And they go okay, and they went there, and then

(21:08):
they turned up to my shop two days later and
they go to we have this footage and I hadn't
recorded it, but they had been there and they'd got
the girl away from the man right. Well, it was
like it was like a live stream style service. So
it was enough for me to make her stafe.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, that's a compelling argument for having that CCTV footage
in retail businesses. And you know, think thank God for you, Chris,
that you were there and watching and you could alert
the police. When it comes to residential use of these
cameras on the streets, and I've seen it of not
not just making this up, but on community Facebook pages

(21:49):
where one of the members posts that footage and says
I've seen this person doing the furious things. It's not
a picture of them doing the furious things. It's just
a picture of them walking down the street. And making allegations.
Do you think that goes a little bit too far?
This should just be in the realm of the police.

Speaker 14 (22:08):
That's like, that's that's a problem because if you're making
false accusations against people, you should be food. If you
see one guy walking down the street and then you
expect that that was the criminal, that's that's a that's
a gray area. I don't think people should be sharing

(22:28):
things on Facebook. I think they should be sharing them
with the police, letting the police take care of things
because you know, vigilante justice and social shame on people,
even if it wasn't the moment. We've got cases of
that all through New Zealand where someone's been accused of
something and so other people who think they're wrong exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Thank you so much for your opinion there, cres CCTV Fhetow.
I've got a question for you, Tyler and everyone on
nine two nine two. How many privately owned CCTV cameras
do you think are operating in New Zealand right now?

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Six hundred thousand? Okay, that's my guess.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
If you think un and wildly.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
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Speaker 3 (24:33):
Thank you very much, Raillan. It's twenty three to two
and we're talking about CCTV setups in the home. A
lot of people have them and where is the line?

Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
So I asked the question how many privately owned CCTV
cameras you think are operating in New Zealand right now?
Were the latest statistics? You guessed six one hundred thousand.
You skiss six hundred thousand, and I've spoiler there. There
is an estimate of four hundred thousand privately owned CCTV
cameras operating in New Zealand as we speak, ten thousand

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publicly owned security cameras in New Zealand right now.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
That's a lot. And this is just off the back
of a story. Today police have been given the legal
clearance to continue tapping into private cameras more than two
hundred thousand times a year. That is an egg of
a lot.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
There are a billion CCDV cameras operating on.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
The streets of the world. These are publicly run ones.
So when does privately owned CCD footage go too far?
You know, when it's a fishing exercise, when it's filming
out onto the street. Yeah, you know, there's no as
a Texas said, there's no privacy in public. But what
about someone just setting up When does that become voyeuristic
when you're filming people walking past your house, especially, as

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you've pointed out before, Tyler, when they post those pictures
up on Facebook groups and say this, this dude looks dodgy.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
If it's ever saved you, well, maybe not saved you,
but if you have utilized your own CCTV set up
at home, and particularly those in rural places, I get it,
that's a big security measure there. But if there's been
a situation that you've met, is to head off because
you've witnessed it on CCTV, your own CCTV love to
hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty is the number

(26:15):
to call. Getto Mark.

Speaker 15 (26:17):
Yeah, Hi, I've got a couple of interesting CCTV stories.
I I originally had security in my home in Wellington, YEP,
with cameras predominant outside, but a couple in the hallways.
I sold the house and I gave the APP to
the new owner and ironically she she got broken into

(26:37):
by my ex neighbor who stripped off his clothes and
did the wild thing in the lounge.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Whoa by himself cheap.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's not the what that that's the sort of part
of partially wild thing that. Yeah, and so and so
you she was using the app or what you were
still on the app?

Speaker 15 (26:59):
No, I was on her app because it came up
on us on the phone and he broke it into
the house with a headlight with other thise little head
lamps on. Yeah, took his clifd a did a crazy act.
We went home and then forgot about his head Lampton
came back again and then did it a second time.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Wow, So what happened with that? I take it you
got the police involved at their point.

Speaker 15 (27:21):
Oh yeah, he got name suppression because he's the hope
high profile of persons. But when I came to Auckland
and I helped my mate set up at CCTV in
the in the motel during Covide, we got everything from
drug dealing to cars being stolen. You know, even I
even got one of a guy breaking into my car.

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He drove into the car park was so relaxed as
his heads hanging out the window. So we've got a
full screenshot of his face.

Speaker 12 (27:51):
Now.

Speaker 15 (27:52):
Now, the police were really good on those cases because
each time they asked, they asked for the film footage
sort of within a couple of days. But the more
interesting case was when a group of kids came in
and were drug dealing and I and two and a
half years later, I still can't get the police to
come and pick up the video footage right and you

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know why why because my daughter had revited them. They
were they were kids in the cure of a ring
of tamaiki and the police are just refusing to come
and come and use the pottage. So just all not
come around.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Just go back to your first story.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
So the person that had moved into the house, they
asked you to go on into the app after the
break in, I'm.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Assuming sorry sorry the first Just go back to.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
The first situation where that person did the world the house,
so you still had the app, they had the access,
You still had access to the app. So did the
the new people living the house. Did they come to
you and say we've been broken.

Speaker 15 (28:49):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 16 (28:50):
I.

Speaker 8 (28:51):
I took the off my phone and she.

Speaker 15 (28:54):
Head on hers and she's out having dinner and it
comes up, comes up on her phone.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
And on her phone, not on your phone. Okay, that's
a good thing. Was checking out you were still running.

Speaker 15 (29:06):
Me and go Do I recognize the.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Oh that's good. I didn't quite get that story right.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I thought that you were still running CCT in someone
else's house.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
No, that's that's a much bit of story. Mark. I
appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Thank you very much, mate, man, what a story. Oh
one hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
I was a bit worried there was a crime, big
bit of the boy Mark, But no, he was above board.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
He was above board. Nine two is the text number.
A quick couple of texts, then we'll get back to
the phones. Hi, guys. Home situation. Three cameras out the front,
plus security lights. No trouble since install previously, three car
breakings with staff taken. We are in a colder sack too.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, and do you put the cameras up so people
can see them? Or I mean, well you've got to
do You've got to invest in the sign saying that
you're being filmed. The CCTV cameras in operation, whether you've
got them or not. It's a idea to put those
cameras up.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, very good. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. It is eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Your new home of afternoon tour Taylor Adams Afternoon call
eight hundred.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
Eighty ten eighty or.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Very good afternoon to you. Jonathan. How are you?

Speaker 12 (30:13):
I'm doing all right?

Speaker 17 (30:14):
How are you going?

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Very good. Now you're a good man to chat to
because you run a Facebook page right at the Hut
Valley Community Noticeboard.

Speaker 12 (30:23):
Hot Vally Security Noticeboard yep.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Security right, and you're a sendin amount of CCTV footage
privately shot is being posted on this Facebook?

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Am I right to say that?

Speaker 12 (30:34):
I mean it's there's there's a lot of privately commercial
shared camera footage that's being shared around yep.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Do you have rules for what can be shared and
what cannot be shared?

Speaker 6 (30:51):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (30:51):
Absolutely. Every post that we have has to be approved
by an admin. We don't have any automatic process for
approving anything, so we're pretty particular about what will approve.
One of the main things is that we try and
ensure that every post that comes up is company with
a police file, so that we know that it has
actually been registered.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
With the police.

Speaker 12 (31:13):
Oh okay, Yeah, there are occasions when that doesn't happen,
but it's more emergency requests like somebody has just had
their cartlen or someone's just had something happen on the
spot and needs assistance straight away. So in those cases

(31:33):
we usually reach out and try and get as much
help as we can, which is prior to when anything
would actually go through the police.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah. So, without giving too much away, Jonathan, but I'm
looking at the page now, and there was a post.
It was that about ten days ago. So it was
someone who posted up a suspicious vehicle and they told
the community look be on the watch out for this vehicle,
gave all the information about their vehicle, and stated that

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they were doing some early Christmas shopping aka looking to
break into people's property. At that point, you might know
what their post is. And again we've got to be careful,
we don't want to name in shame, but at that point,
you're pretty confident that the police had been notified before
that went up on the page.

Speaker 12 (32:15):
Yes, and we do also have a number of police
officers that watch the page as well, so basically if
we ever do kind of step over the line a
little bit in those aspects, we usually get a good
slap on the wrist and be told to take things down.
So there are occasions when that does happen, but in
this particular case, we're fairly confident that that that vehicle

(32:38):
and people involved were there scoping, and so there has
been other cases where it's just been very suspicious this
is what they're doing, and people are just trying to
make others around the community aware that there's a concern
there and to be.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Aware of it.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
So these these as a CCTV footage from private residences
that are filming out onto the street.

Speaker 12 (33:09):
So yes, in most cases, as private residences, they have
coverage of the streets around them as well. Usually they've
been targeted previously or there's been other things happen in
the area that makes them keep a bit more of
an eye on what's happening outside of the house. But
for the most part, it's it's essentially just to give

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the community an opportunity to be aware of what's going
on around them so that they can, you know, if
they see something untoward happening, you know, mention it happens.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, and a lot of people are involved in not
specifically your particular Facebook page, but a lot of community
pages around the country where this exact same thing happens,
And I can see the benefit in that. Clearly. It's
a it's a bit of a murky area legally, is it.
There's a lot of gray area in terms of what
you're allowed to post publicly if you see something on

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your your personal CCTV.

Speaker 12 (34:06):
So it kind of comes down to what you're actually
saying in regards to that footage. If you were to say,
I mean, there's a million different ways of looking at it,
but if you were to accuse somebody of something serious
and that didn't happen, then that would be come under defamation.

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So regardless of where it is, how it happens, what
you're saying is going on. If what you're saying is
untrue or can be proven otherwise, then your borderlining on
defamation and you could be in a lot of trouble.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, Now, Jonathan, arguably, when you're walking around in public,
then you kind of expecting to be filmed a little
bit of either by public or you know, you know
cameras that the police are monitoring or in your case,
cameras that are coming off private residence. But what about
when that camera covers another person's residence. So a camera

(35:05):
from a private property that is also filming into someone
else's private property.

Speaker 12 (35:10):
So that in itself is illegal. So what happens. I've
installed thousands of CCTV cameras over the years, and essentially,
if there's concerns that your neighbor might be looking over
your fence and filming that, then it's it's a simple
call to either the police or the council. The police
will come out and visit, they'll request to see the footage.

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If they see that it does breach those guidelines, they'll
instruct the homo that they have to have it re
angled to ensure that it no longer covers into that
private property. Different rules around that.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Otherwise situation where you've got peeping tom's operating.

Speaker 12 (35:48):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, and that is a concern and it
I mean, I'm sure it does happen from time to time,
and that's why those rules are in place to give,
you know, home owner is the ability to say, hey,
look that camera appears to be looking at me. We'd
like somebody to go and make sure that it's not Jonathan.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
You've been great to to Thank you very much for
calling in. It is nine minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Back very surely, Matt Heath, Tyler Adams teaking your calls
on Tyler Adams afternoons.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
News news storks edb Met and Tyler with you until
four pm. We are talking about CCTV cameras and the
home set ups. Get a Paul, Hey, you got guys.

Speaker 18 (36:32):
You're doing a good job.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Oh, thank you.

Speaker 18 (36:35):
Here's a quick story now.

Speaker 19 (36:37):
I read this article on paper a few years ago.
So there was a man who was in charge of
a an area called anti porn campaigner yep, and they
interviewed him this, why is it that you were filmed
going into a certain adult entertainment establishment?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Was he the guy that was I don't want to
give too many details, but he was he the guy
that was complaining about the painting above the Las Vegas
strip club on Krow?

Speaker 19 (37:05):
No, I don't think so this was a different club.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Okay, okay, right car, carry on the bottom of town.

Speaker 19 (37:11):
You're not where on me. So anyway, he was film
going on there when he was asked interviewers to why
he went to this particular club. He's it was I
had to go and see what what was going on,
and I was disgusted. And then they said, how come
you were there forty seven times in the last six months.

Speaker 18 (37:29):
That's it was all camera work, all camera work.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah. Yeah, so we're there to mind and that's a
great story.

Speaker 6 (37:39):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
You are pro CCTV cameras, particularly to catch.

Speaker 9 (37:43):
Out dog differently.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
I know.

Speaker 15 (37:45):
Yeah, No, I met a krim once.

Speaker 19 (37:47):
It was obviously a krim. You had more tattooed skin
than plain skin. I remember a Mumpley saying, there's not
much we can do these days in the inner city
because the eyes watching all the time. That was his answer,
and he was dead on.

Speaker 18 (38:00):
So it's a good thing.

Speaker 9 (38:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I remember reading this thread and it was talking to criminals.
It was actually on read it and it was saying,
what is the thing that will stop you robbing a place?
And a bunch of criminals are coming in CCTV footage.
CCTV cameras operating are a big deterrent.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Have you got to set up at home pool?

Speaker 8 (38:20):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (38:20):
I do.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah, yeah, well, thank you very much. A great story
about that particular individual. There will be a lot of
people who know who that person is. Oh e one
hundred and eighty, ten eighty is the number. Of course,
we don't carry this on after two o'clock. If you've
got a home set up CCTV and it is very popular,
popular these days. What did you say before four hundred thousand.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Privately owned CCTV cameras operating in New Zealand right now
and only ten thousand operating publicly.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
If you've managed to utilize that footage, there was a
crime committed on your property or outside your property, and
you pass it on to the police. Love to hear
what happened? Oh e one hundred and eighty, ten eighty.

Speaker 6 (38:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
And when does privately owned CCD footage go too far?
When is it just a phishing exercise? When does it
become voyeurism?

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah? This text to the news Giday. Guys. I work
in the security industry and one thing that has been
happening now is running existing cameras through AI servers that
have the ability to detect intruders, describe what's happening. Even
alert police technology is coming to the four in this
How do you feel about that? I mean, that was
a natural thing with these cameras right, AI being utilized, Yeah,

(39:26):
to make it more efficient.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, But I mean, are you worried as this technology
advances because you may trust the government you have now,
But what about the social credit system in China where
they're making moral assessments and running credit ratings on the
way people behave.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, and there's a lot of people that want to
talk about the automatic number plate recognition software BERG thing
in Auckland at the moment. A lot of people getting stung.
I think even Mike Costkin got a ticket this week
if I heard that correctly. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. We'll see on
the other side of the.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
News talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty
four News.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Talk zid be Welcome back into the show. Yes, Matton
Tyler with you until four pm. And we are talking
about CCTV and we've transitioned to the home set up.
A lot of people have their own CCTV set up
at their place. You're one of the mets.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Yeah, I have got them.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I've got them set up in my house in different
areas and I've got them set up at my door.
What I find a bit odd, And a lot of
people are coming through and saying they did this, and
they're posting to Facebook pages.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
I think it's odd.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
To have CCT footage that is filming outside of your
house onto the street. I don't have a problem with
the government really doing it, as long as we don't
bring in social credit systems that they have in China.
We were making moral judgments on people. I don't mind that.
The public, you know, the public good, but I just
think it's a bit weird. I would never set up
my camera so it films out of my house onto

(40:57):
the street. I don't think that's really what it's for.
That feels a bit of voyeurist. Obviously, if you're getting
into a Martin McFly peeping Tom situation, you've got your
camera on an exact angle filming over into someone's house.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Yeah, I mean that's illegal.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Clearly, that's clearly illegal and wrong.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
And I'm sure there's some filthy creeps doing that as
we speak. I mean, there's four hundred thousand privately owned
CCDV camerages and not all of them are going to
be directed in the right direction. But my feeling is
that you can film your house, your property, that's fine,
you own it, But filming out onto the street, look,
I guarantee that it will catch some dodgy people doing stuff.

(41:36):
I just don't I would never. I would never position
my camera such that it was filming ou under the street.
I just don't think that's right.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
What if you parked your car out there that you
didn't have space, you didn't have a driveway, so that's
where you parked your car. Would you be more comfortable
pointing your camera at your car to make sure if
someone did damage it, at least you've got some evidence there.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
I get.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Look, I can see why someone might do that, but
I just think it's odd to direct your camera outside
of your house. And I get you can direct your
eyes outside of your house, but for me, it's a
little bit like peering through the Venetian.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Blinds and going what's going on?

Speaker 3 (42:09):
But curtain twitching?

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, that's my feeling. I think. I think that just
goes goes too far, goes too far from me. But
you know, who knows.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Maybe if I was living in a neighborhood that was
constantly getting bad stuff was happening, maybe maybe that would
change my mind. But right now, if I was there
and I was sitting up my camera and I just
I just tilted it up so I could look out
into the street.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Find I find that odd?

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Oh eight one hundred and eighties and eighty. Do you
agree or disagree with Matt on that point? Get ash?

Speaker 12 (42:38):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (42:38):
Hi Tyler?

Speaker 14 (42:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (42:41):
I got a letter in the post and it was
a ticket with two photographs of our car, and one
was at twelve o'clock and then one was at eight
o'clock and it said that you've packed in our car
park for eight hours. It was a superpack at seem right.
I thought, Man, that's pretty weird. So we kind of

(43:04):
thought back the weekend we worked out what happened. My
wife drove through their car park, decided it was too
busy in there, they drove out. They took a photograph
of the car, and then at eight o'clock at night,
I went for pudding, so I drove into the car park,
got out ten minutes later, got back in and drove

(43:26):
home and sent us a letter saying one hundred dollars
you've been in our car park for eight hours?

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Can I get this?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Can I get this straight? So you were there and
then you left and then you went back. Is that correct?

Speaker 17 (43:40):
That's right, so ten minutes and five minutes.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, yeah, right, And did you complain and point that
out and did they retract?

Speaker 17 (43:51):
There was some guys representing the business association there and
I went in and saw them and they offered me
a couple of copy and said, oh, yeah, you tried it.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, what do you mean you tried it? You fight it?

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Oh yeah, right, you've got to fight that.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
But yeah, I mean that's when this automatic number plate
technology can go wrong. Clearly that the system thought you
were there all day, where clearly you were just popping
down to spend some money, hit the business a couple
of times.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, and they surely want you to go back if
you want to get something else.

Speaker 17 (44:24):
Well, well, that's correct. And both both the photographs, which
was kind of interesting, is when the car's moving as well,
it's not stationary, so so it's like, man, this is
kind of weird. And one of them's at night, so
you can't kind of see you wouldn't be able to
see if it's me, and then my wife the other time.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
So anyway, I've.

Speaker 17 (44:45):
Sent a letter and haven't had a reply and on
the worried about that because I'm thinking, well enough.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Truly, surely you're in the right and you fight that
you fight.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Thatsh I hope it's not that particular car parking company
that we all love to hate. In fact, I don't
think there's any love with this particular company. It's not
you know, the company I'm talking about, ash Is It
starts with a big W.

Speaker 17 (45:07):
It's not those well no, no, it's it's just a
supermarket car park. It's one of the main supermarkets in Southmore.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Or you all the best with that. As you fight,
you fight, you fight, you fight, fight, fight fight.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Now, see that's where it goes wrong, right. And there
was another story quite recently about a young chap who
got the he got his car impounded eat she was
on Reddit. The story was on Reddit, got his car
impounded and they asked him for four thousand dollars or
you're not getting your car back. And the reason they
asked him for four thousand dollars, according to this chap
on Reddit, is that he had been fined. He had

(45:41):
forty tickets that hadn't been paid and he suspects that
they just got the number plate slightly wrong with their technology,
and this chap was still fighting through not a resolution
as far as I can see. But again he's telling
the pictures well, he was supplying the evidence that he
had paid that money, so he had always paid his ticket, right,
so I imagine he will get off. But again, you know,

(46:02):
when these systems are not picking up the right information.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
I just want to change tech here just a little bit.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
I am anti council parking enforcement cars that just whip
up and down streets with the cameras pinging people. I
think for a start, I've said this before and I
don't want to change the topic. I don't think councils
should be able to find you for parking.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
We own the streets.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
But just zipping around and catching everyone. You have to
you have to go out and catch me doing it.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
It can't be. You can't just be. You have to
work to give me a ticket.

Speaker 10 (46:30):
You can.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
You can't do it on the cameras. Get out and walk,
you know.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Yeah, you go out and do the hard yards on
the street.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
You do the k's on your feet.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
If it was raining that they wouldn't want to be
out there.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Oh eight ten eighty Scott, You know, mate, how are
you doing? Yeah good? What's your take on the CCTV.

Speaker 18 (46:48):
I have CCTV on my house here in Auckland, and
I have it on our family holiday home in the Corimandel.
Both sets of cameras are pointing outside the house. They're
mounted on the eaves, but they look down the house,
not out into the street we live really, so you

(47:12):
can jump a fence and walk through my property if
you felt like it. But it's giving me. I get
a notification if the camera goes off and it comes
through to my cell phone, so I can jump on
and the look I'm not. I can see a main
thier route going past. I don't care. I can't see

(47:33):
what's what's happening, but I can see around my property.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
So you are filming a little bit of public of
sort of a public publicly accessible areas.

Speaker 18 (47:46):
Yes, yes, And and the reason for the for the
holiday property is because you know, you don't you're not
down there all the time. And I get an alert
you can see what happens and we get it on
the local fatbook page comes up for where the holiday
home is on the Coron Mantle and people are always

(48:07):
put up CCD. You know someone's just walked through my
property this or that the other. I don't point it
at the street. I don't want to know what's on
the street. I just want to know what's in sober fenses.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah, and I think that's that's absolutely sweet. As what
I find a bit odd is when people set it
up on their property facing out towards the street.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah, but I think most people would be like you, Scott,
where you've got your CCTV set up and you're looking
at a bit, you know, a part of your own property.
But also because of the wide angle lens, you're picking
up quite a bit of the street.

Speaker 18 (48:44):
Well, yeah, I mean the one on our front door
covers their front door down to our drive, to the
front of the garage.

Speaker 19 (48:49):
If if the.

Speaker 18 (48:50):
Courier turns up, I can see him turn up, I
can see the box left there or whatever. And you
know that's that's cool.

Speaker 19 (48:58):
It's not it's not in.

Speaker 18 (49:00):
Anybody's face or getting into anybody else's batcart. I don't
want to do that. I don't care what you do
in your backcout.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I don't want to know when you fill me someone
house's backyard. That gets into the same For Marty McFly,
peeping tom Territory. But how often with your your your
camera down at the batch, are you getting notifications when
animals are walking through your property?

Speaker 18 (49:24):
Well, you put on it. I've got the ability to
filter that out.

Speaker 21 (49:30):
You can.

Speaker 18 (49:31):
You can recognize the fact that it's if it recognizes
it's an animal. It doesn't. I don't get a notification
if someone opens the gate. You know the meta reader
pops in to read the meter. Well, it doesn't happen anymore,
but you know, you get a notification that someone's opened
the gate and all through the gate. If I'm feeling

(49:51):
that way in kind, I can pick up my cell phone,
bring it up live stream. I can talk to them.
You can set off a siren.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
You know you can, and what sort of said?

Speaker 21 (50:02):
What what?

Speaker 3 (50:02):
What's that worth for that sort of set up?

Speaker 22 (50:06):
It's surprisingly almost affordable. It's a Youthie is the brand
that we're using. And you can buy them about twelve
hundred bucks gets your two or three cameras.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
That's not bad, and it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
And it knows the cat's a cat, and it knows
the dog's a dog. I mean a clever, a clever
burglar that dresses up and then you're.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Really stuffed dog costume. Thank you very much, Scott. It
is seventeen parts to bag very shortly with more of
your calls.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Your new home of Afternoon Talk and even Tyler Adams
Afternoon Call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Very good afternoon to you. Lynnette.

Speaker 20 (50:50):
Hello, how are you?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
You're good?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
You want to talk about parking tickets via those cameras
with those dirty cars whipping around the streets, not.

Speaker 20 (50:58):
Dirty cameras, but daddy watching. Yeah, Sunday afternoon, Well went
out for a bottomless brunch, did the right thing, got
a couple of the members to drop us off. They
came back to pick us up literally four minutes within
this area. When my car drove in and drove out.

(51:21):
It was four minutes to get us into the car
and out. There were two cars and I got pained
eighty five.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Those dirty buggers.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
What happened to The punishment should fit the crime. Also,
were you on the mimosas? I was, no, I love
a mimosa.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, yeah, I can't judge on that one.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
But also you're.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Doing the right thing that do you know what's wrong
about that? I mean, obviously, Linette, you would never you
would never drive a car after a few mimosas that's
that's not the way you operate. I can tell just
by the sound of your voice.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
So you're doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
So you've organized to be picked up after a fantastic brunch,
and then they just sour you with with They're just
driving past. They're not making evaluation. A human being would
walk past that parking person go ah, they're just picking
them up, dropping them off. But you've got this just blanket.
It's like driftnet fishing. You're just grabbing everything off the
off the floor of the ocean and pinging good people

(52:21):
like you.

Speaker 20 (52:23):
Well, well, you're right. But then when I re looked
at the picture, because I'm thinking, how did my other
family not get ticketed because him? So Anyway, when I
zoomed in on the picture, I didn't see that the
car park had Auckland co op like it's painted on

(52:44):
the car park.

Speaker 23 (52:45):
Where as you're walking out, didn't.

Speaker 20 (52:47):
Even notice anything. But basically, perfour minutes, they've still pinged
me for eighty five dollars and they would literally see
literally see us walking up to the car, getting in
it and driving out.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
They're bad people.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah, that's wrong. See, that's wrong with this country. That's
why we're going down to google her. It's people like that.
Lynette was doing what she for hospitality in Auckland and
she got paying for four minutes just getting picked up.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Yeah, it's crazy and it makes you angry and it
turns you against the whole system. You're doing the right
thing and then you get paying. That makes me angry.
That makes me I'm going to hit the streets for
the net.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
It's like those those parking companies where you might be
two minutes late and boom they come out of nowhere
and automatically give you a ticket. And you think, well,
can I just pay for that extra two minutes? You
know I'm two minutes late. I will pay you for
the extra two minutes. What's that another forty cents? Nah,
they don't have it. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
It's the number to call. It is twenty two PAS two.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on us talk.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
ZB YEO, Peter, thanks for hanging on.

Speaker 24 (53:55):
There's no problem, no problem. Get I was just giggling
away here. So my son is thirty five now, but
when he is eighteen, left home and we had a
little fashion thing like how's your weekend gone? Yeah, we
went to nightclubs in Twanga, came out and then someone

(54:17):
came up behind us and started scausing a scrap and
then all all all hell broke loose and then next
minute the police. So we just boosted it out of there,
down the side street, then underneath there, then down this way.
We got right down there. It was sweet now mate,
And next minute cop just pulls up. Had followed them

(54:37):
on the CCT where they were going. Why are you
running away?

Speaker 25 (54:40):
Ah?

Speaker 24 (54:41):
The hell do they know? So back to the police station,
the sun talking to his dad. Oh okay, mate, yes,
so what happened? Well, I got the CCT and then
saw us coming out of the pub and then see
these guys set on to us, and then we do
the swing okay, and the police officer zooms in. He goes, oh,
well you didn't hit them there, you missed them, and

(55:03):
then then you're drunk and you're drunkard. But the next
one he hits you, and then you do another swing
and you miss him, and then you do another he
missed him six times. He didn't even lay a glove
on him.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
This is your son that didn't land.

Speaker 24 (55:19):
This is my son. I mean, my son didn't offending himself.
But you know he could tell me he's a kun
from expert and the champion boxer, and he didn't lay
a finger.

Speaker 18 (55:30):
He was trying to.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
But were you disappointed in that? Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 9 (55:36):
I was.

Speaker 15 (55:36):
I was just enthralled.

Speaker 24 (55:38):
I didn't actually know about this is fifteen years ago.
You know, you're dying for a person. You go somewhere
and they're probably watching you anyway, he said the cop. See, oh,
we can't charge you with anyone off you go, mate.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
The intention was, but you missed by so far that
the haymakers were so bad that you couldn't be charged
for the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
So all of the story is if you ever get
into a scrap, just don't land a punch.

Speaker 21 (56:07):
Right yeah.

Speaker 12 (56:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (56:09):
But but on the same token, they can see everything,
and is that.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
A good thing.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
I mean, we're talking about the difference between private and
public CCTV footage, So people filming on their own properties
or from their properties out onto the street is one thing.
But I think we all, I mean most of us
think it's okay that the police will will have access
to what's happening out on public public property.

Speaker 24 (56:36):
Yeah, well I'm dairy farming, and yeah it's being hit outline.
You know, we can't have it in the animals when
they get shot and taken away. But on the same
token game to the cow shed pinching motorbile expension. Everyone's
got CCT down there. And then you even go to
the stage where a tall truck guy doing deliveries to

(56:57):
him as he said, yeah, he's just the cameras in
the truck. Everything I do, you scratch your ear, you
do anything, you stop, and they ring and even your
own crowd ring you up saying where I say you
mate and you say because he's running late, yeah, and
he bullshits nowhere is thank.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
You so much for your call, Peter, I got that.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
We got this interesting textro on nineteen ninet two, say
summer someone saying, look, I've got to set up on
my house private setup.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
I'm filming out into the street. What do you think
about it?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Heath, I've sent you the foo footage to a dm'd
you of private message you the footage, but we don't
find it. Where have you sent it texture on nineteen
nine two at heath in zed at Instagram.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yeah, so here it is here get a heath just
sent a photo of my front facing camera. What do
you think of that? It's a bit of both. Really
wanted to cover my driveway area but also is road
facing with a bit of the neighbors in view. So
we'll track down that photo. But dear text that where
have you.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Sent it to? Yeah, and check in all my socials.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
I think he sent it straight to the police, which
is fair enough. Eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is twenty nine past two.

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(58:25):
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Speaker 3 (59:15):
Thank you Rayleen. It is twenty seven to three now
before the headlines. We mentioned this text message and I'll
read it again. Get a guys, just in a photo
of my front facing camera, Heath, what do you think
of that? It's a bit of both. Really wanted to
cover my driveway area but also the road facing with
a bit of the neighbors in view. So you've found
that photo?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah, because I was saying before that I think, of course,
privately set up your CCTV footage. If you want to
film your door at for security reasons, whatever you want
to do in your own house, that's fine. But I
was just saying before I would never set up my
cameras so they film out onto the street. So this
DM's come through to Matt Heathen's it on Instagram, and
I've got to say, first things my thoughts.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
I'm just looking at it. Yeah, beautiful driveway.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Okay, right, take on the good driveway, yep.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
And you've got your toddler playing on the driveway.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Nice, that's fantastic. And look what a beautiful neighborhood you
live in?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
How much into the street though of the street there, buddy,
there's a lot of this out of the street you
got a lot of the beautiful blue sky there. I
think you could tilt that down and you could still
all do your security that you need to do, and
tilt it down. So you just get your mailbox, because
what do you need. You're right across I'm seeing the
neighbor's house.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Is that a Japanese mab maple on the on the
neighbour's back out I'm getting voyeuristic.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I can't see folks. So while do we talk in
percentage wise, he's got seventy percent street the neighbor and
thirty percent his own property.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Look, I'm not bespirching this fine man's reputation. I'm not
accusing him of being a peeping tom or anything.

Speaker 26 (01:00:40):
But I'm just saying you could tilt that camera down
a little bit. I mean, right now, I'm looking to
this neighbor's house here. Okay, what are they doing there? Yeah,
I'll tell you what. Those people could work on their
nature strip a little bit there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Just see the live live stream. I think at this
point he's enjoying this.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
I say, tilt that down a little bit. You're looking
into the neighbor's property.

Speaker 9 (01:00:59):
Get able air go guys.

Speaker 8 (01:01:02):
Pay two things.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Just with regards to Lynette's phone call about getting pring
by the in the parking yard.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:01:11):
It's a camera.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
It's a fixed camera that will take a photograph of
your car as you drive in with a time stamp,
and a photograph of your car as you drive out
with a timestamp, and then the computers will work out
if you've exceeded the predetermined time limit there For four minutes,
though I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that's how
it happened.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
The four minutes is pretty miserable, to be fair.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
So if they just pulled up to the footpath side
of it and didn't actually enter the car park, they
would have been sweet most likely.

Speaker 8 (01:01:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
So as soon as you go in, it takes your
photo and your number plate with a timestamp, and you
go out, it takes a photo of the number plate
and a timestamp, and the computers do the rest and
then they'll just automatically fire the bill away. I've been
hitting myself.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
What do you think, Blaire?

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
I was talking before about those evil parking cars that
just drive around peeing. Absolutely everyone, Are you on the
same page as me? I believe that the councilor should
have at least have to work for their tickets by
sending someone out to walk the streets and give you
a give you a give you a little chance to
get away with it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:18):
Oh yeah, absolutely, that's a that's a cheating, it's a
cheaps way of doing it. Yeah, pure pure revenue gather.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Like fishing with dynamite. I mean, you're going to get everybody's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Training your citizens like enemies. That's what I don't like
about it. We actually own the streets. Yeah, and look,
maybe I get it, but.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
You're trying to start a revolution here. You're exiting something.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Parking finds are theft.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Now, now, aside from parking, you did want to have
make another point about CCTV on the street.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
Yes, I have security cameras at home, all of them outside,
and one of them does look across the street because
I park my trade vehicle out there, so it's full
of tools and bits and pieces, and it's also looking
over the campavan. But I do have the ability and
I have privacy zones on it, so you can set

(01:03:12):
up your privacy zone. So you're looking at the neighbors.

Speaker 27 (01:03:14):
Place and you just put a big black square over it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
It doesn't even look at it. It just doesn't even
look at it. So even if I if I look
at it live, there's a big black square, I can't
see into the into the neighbor's yard.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
See, you're an honorable person, Flare, because of course you
need to look out over. I mean that I've got
no problem at all with you looking out over. You've
got your tools there there's a lot of money just
sitting out there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
And if you can do that, or isn't a way
you could do that? But but I don't have a
problem with that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
Yeah, no, so that's it was the same brand as
the other gentleman is talking about UFI. And you do
have the ability to set up privacy zones, activity zones.
You can detect by sounds, you can text detect human only,
you can do all motions. You can have it report
instantly or whenever. But yeah, because like you, Matt, I

(01:04:03):
was kind of thinking, yeah, I mean this is great,
but yeah, the for the pase for peace of mind
of the neighbors more than anything else.

Speaker 22 (01:04:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Yeah, oh you're.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
Clearly it's it's not the screet you can see it,
so it exits a terrance as well.

Speaker 9 (01:04:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Yeah, but we have actually we have actually been asked
by neighbors in the street opposite to see if we
could see something that went down near their place.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Yeah, and you can't. Okay, Blair, thank you so much.
We're talking about ccd footage. When does privately owned CCDV
footage go too far? When does it become voyeuristic?

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It's twenty two to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heathyl Adams. Afternoons you for
twenty twenty four. You've talked said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Very good afternoon, and we are talking about CCTV footage
on the back of a very in depth story about
police who have been given the legal clearance to continue
tapping into private cameras more than two hundred thousand times
a year for evidence. But a heck of a lot
of people out there have the home set up and
you were pretty clear. I don't know if you've changed
view now, but you were pretty anty the set up

(01:05:13):
looking into the street.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Yeah, four hundred thousand privately.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I owned CCTV cameras in New Zealand right now active.
I just think that you know, you've got to tilt
it down so you're not filming into public spaces. That's
that's what I believe. Definitely not into neighbor's yards, which
I believe as illegal. But we had Blair before and
he has technology in his camera where he blocks very honorably.
He needs the angle to be able to see what

(01:05:37):
he needs to see, but he can block out what's
going on there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Would you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Truthfully?

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
If you had the camera set up and yet got
a little bit of the neighbor's front yard, would you
block it out?

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Yeah, of course I would. I'm not looking into the
neighbors yards with the camera. I'm not. What do you
think I am some kind of peeping Tom Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
I don't care what's happening in the neigh Matthew, how
are you making.

Speaker 8 (01:05:59):
The TV racings dropping?

Speaker 28 (01:06:00):
People are just going watching CCTV.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
It's a good watch.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
I do enjoy it because I've got the camera on
my door and to enjoy watching your courier.

Speaker 28 (01:06:11):
It's that's just the next step in reality TV. What
about AI? I mean the ability now to change imagery. Yeah,
so we're we're in, We're in in the future of
c c t V. What's the reliability of it anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Yeah, that's a good you know, you get you get,
you get pinged on a parking you say that's a
I of course. There was that Australian politician recently that
said he was seen with some illicit substances and he said, no, no, no,
that's a that was That was that was a I mean, yeah,
we're going to start questioning absolutely every image pretty soon.

Speaker 28 (01:06:50):
So what's what's the future of c c TV for
What's how cour is going to treat that in the
future once there's a few cases of it going through.
So how do you how do you ensure the anti
any reliability and it's going to be credible.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
That certainly, you know, it can be doctored, no doubt
about it. We're seeing that with AI technology. But because
if it's if it's and most of these are private cameras,
but if they are facing into the street and only
police can access them apart from the business owners, does
that give it more credibility that it is authorities checking
into these these images rather than just the man on
the street trying to doctor it like you see on

(01:07:24):
social media.

Speaker 28 (01:07:25):
Well, I still think there's the ability to get into
other people's computer systems and change things. I'm not talking
for petty stuff, I'm talking for the larger things. So yeah,
I mean the reality is mostly CTV footage, the things
that it's picking up around the home. Cops aren't going
to react, are going to do anything about it anyway.
It's very minus. It's generally minors. Stuff that are picking

(01:07:47):
up that we're probably going to pick up is you know,
things like cars, cars being broken into. How how often
are those actually acted upon?

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Anyway, it is an interesting thing with At the moment
they've got the ability to detect that something's being tampered
with using AI. But in the future, who knows how
far that will go. I mean, you get an interesting
situation in a house where I'm just this is a
this is a made up situation. I'm just speculating here, right,

(01:08:14):
So you've got cc footage in your house, you've committed
a crime, you tune up to court and there's nothing
happening in your house at all on the CCDV footage.
But you know, you've you've you've docted that footage with
with AI. You know, who knows, who knows what's going
to happen in the future. It's it's it's a terrifying
and exciting time coming up for humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Yeah, it's a good point you raised by Matthew, and
I don't have an answer to that. I mean that
you know, we've been talking about that with video with audio,
how do you prove it is the real person? If
someone is caught on audio saying something that you know
gets them into into trouble, something criminal. How do you
approve that it's really them? Yeah, no, I don't. I
don't know if there's an answer to that at the moment.

Speaker 28 (01:08:52):
I think there's cases already where people have been fooled
into thinking their family members been kidnapped because they've used voice. Yeah,
been able to capture their voice and then play it back,
which changed it. So you know, I mean, it could
get that good. It sounds like you guys actually on
a decent radio show.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
You ever know, we're not actually here, This is actually
a I metew We're at home.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Yeah, we knocked off three hours.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
We've been at the pub for three hours.

Speaker 28 (01:09:18):
So I know that because I've got the footage.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
You're a good man than you do at it, Jeremy.
You're a big fan of the CCTV.

Speaker 27 (01:09:28):
Yeah, that's absolutely on hundredercent. I'm running at probably a
thirty seventy sort of based scenario at the moment, thirty
percent my driveway and probably seventy percent street frontage in
the film.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Oh no, not like that.

Speaker 27 (01:09:42):
It's not going to like that. But these days were
so two weeks ago couple of hudlum I'll call them
because we're just getting drunk out of speech to walk
down the road, meshed them a whole lot of cars,
and I was able to provide that footage immediately through
the police, who could identify the kids. I haven't even
had audio, so I've got talking so I've got their names.

(01:10:04):
So without this kind of technology, you know, people are
constantly complying about polices and ability to be able to
solve crimes and burglaries. End of the day, if there's
no evidence, if there's nothing there, what can they do.
So as long as you're not, like say, being a
peeping tom, I have no issues with it whatsoever. And
there's very few cameras that would be so good that
I'd be able to see into the neighbor's study bedroom.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
So you can't see. Can you can?

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Can you see into anyone else's private property at all
with your cameras Jimmy.

Speaker 27 (01:10:34):
Uh oh, yes, but not clearly.

Speaker 9 (01:10:37):
So you can see I can see.

Speaker 27 (01:10:39):
The neighbour's house from my CCTV, but it's not clear.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
Would you have a check Do you ever check that footage? Jeremy?
Do you only check it if?

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Would you ever just have a bit of a geeze
or do you only check it if there's a reason
to look at that.

Speaker 27 (01:10:56):
No, only check it if there's a reason to look
at that, and it's more of a I think someone
wish or our whole crime prevention things. If people are
coming past and they see CCTV footage, they're way likely
way less want.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
To how do you field?

Speaker 22 (01:11:08):
Do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
Do you think people people?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
It's an interesting thing, isn't it, because you could stand
I'm talking about the audio there. For some reason, that
makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable that that you're
you know, people are walking down your street having a
little bit of a discussion.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
It's outside of your property and you're recording it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Does that Do you think there's a sort of a
moral gray area there, Jeremy.

Speaker 27 (01:11:29):
No, I'm a place. It's no different to having a
conversation on the beach and overhearing someone next to you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Yeah, that's a good point answer. You can just be
standing in your backyard just listening to them.

Speaker 7 (01:11:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
But also, the more I think about this, I'm worried
about your neighbors, Matt. What do you think you're going
to see in their front yard? That you're so scared about.
I mean, what are they doing in the front yard.
I mean most people are very innocent. There might be
a trampoline there. You know, nothing's going on in the yard.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
Look, there's an amorous couple that lived near me. That's
not my business what they get up to.

Speaker 27 (01:12:00):
It's just a matter of time though, before they come
out come knocking and like do you have CCTV pots
because their house has just been broken into more something
along those lines. You know you can renchister, you can.
I think that as you can reach it. You've got
CCTV footage. So it's just as essential for crime prevention
es central for police being able to do for their job,
and we're just going to have to rely on people

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not being creeps. There is a aif thing you talked
about before, But they's easy to cooperate and associated with.
You know, if you've got one lot of CCTV footage,
you can cooperate it with a second lot of CCTV footage.
In terms of going, it's in terms of legitimacy. So
if you got two different sources and two different people
cooperating at the same people for example, there's always ways

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around that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Yeah, good call.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah, So, I mean just look at the rules. You
can record anything on your private property, with some exceptions.
If you're a landlord who is renting the property, you
must disclose and receive consent if you're using CCD DV
and cannot do so where individuals would expect reasonable privacy
bedrooms and bathrooms. But I'm pretty sure you're not allowed
to film into someone else's property.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Yeah, but even if there was some you know, kind
of strange behavior going on. You know, you've got you've
got Treeve next door who enjoys to mow the lawns
al natural. I mean, I'm pretty sure that's a legal
in the first place, that you can't you know, you
can't be doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
You can be nude in your own property, not if
other people.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Can see you.

Speaker 29 (01:13:21):
Why not.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
They could be kids walking down the street or something
and old Treev's got his old.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Fella out, Well just look away.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
But alsothing it get gets kind of confusing, isn't it,
Because someone could just be filming a little video of
you know, someone having fun on the street and film
the neighbors property on their phone. I mean, obviously that's
gonna happen. So it gets pretty odd if just because
it's fixed to a wall you can't film. But you
know you're not going to be arrested for filming a
little video of you of your girlfriend walking down the street,

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are you yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
It's Gray area area, super gray. You've had an incident
that you caught on your CCTV.

Speaker 30 (01:14:00):
Well, I'm sorting to Tyler and so before I talked
about a case in Wellington where guy a guy had
broken into his neighbor's house and he was CCS TV
set up in the house and then he performed an
indecent act and it was going through the court system,
and his lawyer argues that because no one was in

(01:14:23):
the house when the act happened, no one could be offended,
so therefore he couldn't be charged with an offensive act.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
Hang on, can I just go back, go back a
little step there? So he's in someone else's house.

Speaker 30 (01:14:38):
Yeah, he broke into his neighbor's house and then he
performed an indecent date.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Story. We heard this remark, do you do you know Mark?

Speaker 8 (01:14:48):
No?

Speaker 30 (01:14:48):
No, I just read it in the paper.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
There's a rising tide of people going into houses and
performing indecent acts on them.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
So he didn't get charged for that. Did you say?

Speaker 30 (01:14:57):
He got charge of breaking entering, but he couldn't be
charged with performing an indecent act because it would not
cause offense to anyone because there was no one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
I feel like, I feel like, if I got high
and someone's just broken into my house, that's one thing.
If they've stolen something, that's another thing. If they've smirched
the house, then I think, I think that's I think
that's I think there should be an extraor layer of
disgustingness added to the top of that, on top of
the breaking regular entry.

Speaker 30 (01:15:26):
We actually have CCTV footage atter business. We got stuff
doll into the train of about a thousand dollars and
we managed, I managed to actually track these people down
and basically that the cops said, well, you could take
it through the court system. Not much is going to
have and the best you can do is actually just

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give them the truce past. Notice, we got some of
the stuff back, but it was only because of the
power of social media that we found out who it was.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
And so did you have to go and confront them
yourself without the police.

Speaker 28 (01:16:01):
Not at no.

Speaker 30 (01:16:02):
But I did initially get told I would have to
do that, but I got a different operator on the
phone and she said no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 27 (01:16:09):
We wouldn't make you do that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
I said, well, you're not batman.

Speaker 30 (01:16:12):
Why I was told initially that I would have to
go and three stars these people myself.

Speaker 16 (01:16:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Yeah, but there in lies the problem, you know. Thank
you very much, Lou And a lot of people who
have this footage provide it to the police. Not all
the time. Sometimes is very successful outcomes, and we know
police have got a lot on their plate at the moment.
But if it is a low level offense, someone who
was trying to break into a guard didn't make it,
or you know, mowing the lawns of the news, there's
not a lot that the police will do in that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I feel sorry for the police when they supplied the
footage of the guy that's broken into the house and
is ransacking his own dignity in there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Yeah, minimum ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Get up for your job and that's what you get
served up.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Yeah. That it's the number to cool. Nine two nine
two is the text number. It is seven to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.
You for twenty twenty four you've talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Be Charma thinks, so much for hanging on. We've got
about ninety seconds you go for it.

Speaker 23 (01:17:13):
I parked in a shopping mall car park in Grassurch
at seven thirty them am sorry yep, and had a
meeting the actual nine o'clock nine am, left the car park,
went elsewhere, came back about from thirty and parked the
car in the car park again.

Speaker 18 (01:17:31):
A couple of monks.

Speaker 21 (01:17:32):
Later, they got a fine from Wilson Parking to national scumbags, yep,
I had my parking limit for the car park, and
I subsequently wrote them milizad to indicate that I had
left the car park, and the cameras actually said that
I had been parked here the whole time, and I said, well,
see me the images of the car being parked here

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at the entire time with Dayton timestamp.

Speaker 18 (01:17:56):
And then they reversed the fine.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Yes, yeah, that went for the good people.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
Went back for the good guy. Yeah yeah, thinks yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:18:06):
How many people that paid those tickets?

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
You've got to fight, fight fight, Yeah, well they start
they start getting a bit heavy if you don't pay,
don't they then they start going down the route of
we're going to call Bakorp and your life's going to end.
So good on you for fighting Backshama World done.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
Even if it's just to utilize their resources.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Yeah, absolutely right. That is where we'll leave it. We'll
switch the cameras off because we're going to have a
chat about GPS after three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
We're gonna switch the cameras off because we're going to No, no,
I won't make that go I like, I won't go there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
You just think on that one, Matte. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It
is three to three.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Your new home for instateful and Entertaining talk. It's Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk Sevvy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Well, hello, hope you're doing well on this Thursday afternoon,
and great discussion about CCTV cameras. And just before we
change tack and talk about GPS, a text here from
a detective and I'll read it out. Get a lads,
there is a detective. I can tell you that the
private CCTV from a house that views out onto the
road is very valuable in solving crime. We very much

(01:19:13):
appreciate members of the public who have high resolution CCTV
at their homes and provide it to police for investigations.
It has helped solve many serious crimes. Note any sensitive
things like registrations people not relevant to investigations are redacted
before being disclosed. Thanks very much. Great show. So there
you go. I mean it is very helpful to the police.

(01:19:34):
That's coming from a detective that they utilize that private
CCTV too solve crimes. It's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Ah yeah, okay, Well, just don't set it up so
you're looking through the bathroom window of your neighbor.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Good advice. Right, let's have a chat about GPS and
how much they charge. As many of us know, there
can be a huge difference in the cost of a
GP appointment across the country and even across the street.
A typical GP appointment at Ponsonbe Medical Center in an
upmarket inner city in a city area of Auckland cost
ninety dollars, according to Healthpoint, a website that it provides

(01:20:08):
up to date information on New Zealand's thousands of health
practitioners across the road. In that very same Auckland suburb.
An appointment for an enrolled patient at All Family Medical
Center cost just twenty nine dollars. So there is a
bit of a jumble of different numbers across the board.
And that's just one suburb. So two clinics on the

(01:20:29):
same street, opposite each other, one charge is ninety bucks,
the other charge is twenty nine dollars. What gives I mean,
it is a big difference that depending on what GP
you go to and how much you are charged to
go and have a visit.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
Yeah, what's wrong with that?

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
You think it's market forces, don't you?

Speaker 4 (01:20:46):
Well, yeah, exactly like you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
If you're a GP, you're running a business and you've
spent all the time to train to become a doctor.
You've you've probably spent a lot of your own money
to pay for the education.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
You might have a student loan.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
You've got expenses you've got to pay, and you want
to make money. So it's just like any other busines.
So you charge what you can charge and if you're
if you're full. And I tell you what in Auckland,
I mean, I'm trying to get into my GP at
the moment, the next available appointments two and a half
weeks away.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Yeah, so I think that is a bigger issue at
the moment is trying to get in to see the
GP in the first place. Burg wait time. Certainly was
it my GP down in christ huge, I don't have
one up here in Auckland yet.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Well, don't sign up to mine and they won't take it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
How much do they charge?

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
I've got no idea ninety bucks I over got in
yet for a while I got it. I think it
would be about ninety bucks at mine.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
But just be consistent across the board. I get. I'm
with you that this is certainly not an anti GP discussion.
They do great work, and they train for many, many years,
and they set up their own businesses. They should be
able to get a good salary for that position. But
I think having a greater subsidy at the primary care
level makes more sense to me that we've got to divert.

(01:22:02):
And yeah, I get people are going to say, where's
the money going to come from, Tyler, We've got none.
I get that, But I think more investment at a
primary care level would pay off in the long run,
rather than having so many people turn up to A
and E trying to get in for free rather than
going to see the GP, because sometimes those people can't
afford that fifty bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Yeah, but I mean, okay, but if we're going to
subsidize more subur days and we don't have any money
for that, as you just said.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
But also the other thing is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
A lot of people go to the GP, a lot
that don't need to go to the GP. I personally
believe that men need to go to the GP more.
And that's a big push at the moment because dudes
will let a rash become a major issue before they
go and get it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
The sounds like personal experience, is it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Well, actually, right now, I'm under a lot of pressure
at home to go to see the doctor and I'm
trying not to because I just think that it's a
digestive issue that will pass. Not wanting to give too
many details there, but you can have these hypochondriacs out there.
So we're going to subsidize every single visit to the doctor.

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
I mean, in the perfect world.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
It would be supply and demand and a really, really
really good doctor would be able to charge more, people
would become loyal to them, and you know, there be
there would be cheaper options out there, But I don't
think you can run a situation where you force you
force them all to charge the exact same amount.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
From a memory, I paid about fifty bucks in christ
Us to go see a doctor. I didn't have a
family doctor, I had a clinic, and whatever doctor was
available I went to go see and that was fine.
But I agree with you on on men in particular
don't go to see the GP as much as they
probably should.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
And I think that for most men that's not a
price issue. I think that's just you're busy, you don't
want to make a fuss. There's a lot of reasons
why we don't go and we should, definitely, we should,
definitely women, And it's statistically showing that women are much
better at going to the doctor with their health problems.
That's why they find it so frustrating when their partners
won't won't go. But I don't think that's a that's

(01:24:00):
It's definitely not a cost issue for me. It's a
can't be bothered, don't want to make a fuss, assume
in my head that I don't want to know. It's
It's a really weird thing, isn't it, Because you go
to the doctor and they say that there's nothing wrong,
and you feel like you've wasted their time and you
feel a little bit embarrassed. But that actually should be
the positive outcome. You go to the doctor and they
say it's not a big deal. You should actually be happy,
but we kind of worry that we're making a fuss unduly.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Yeah, Well, the last time I went to the doctor,
and I mentioned this briefly a couple of days ago,
that I had some issues with blood pressure right, and
that got picked up by a trainer I was doing
some training at the German had to go check my
blood pressure, got picked up and said, ooh, that might
be a bit of a problem. Then when I finally
got to the GP eventually, same thing happened. They said,

(01:24:43):
don't worry about that, it's all good. You're in the
safe zone. Just eat a bit better, exercise more, and
you'll be all right. Fifty bucks later, Yeah, well, fifty
bucks doesn't seem a lot to go to a doctor
to me. Fifty bucks ago, and they're a professional. They're
a person that agua believe the upper ischelon of professionals,

(01:25:05):
and they need to get paid or else no one's
going to be buy becoming a doctor if they don't
get earn money doing it. Well, Andrew hopefully doesn't mind
me mentioning this. He pays ten bucks to go see
his doctor, but to be fair that he gets subsidized
by your health insurance. Andrew, Yeah, he's nodding. So that's
a good deal. Ten bucks. Oh, ten dollars fifty, forgive me,

(01:25:26):
but that's a if you get in charge, ten bucks
fifty and that's a good health insurance company. Whoever is.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
Good luck getting a ten dollar sandwich.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Exactly to go see your GP for ten bucks. I mean,
I'd be there every week just for you know, just
have a yarn.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
But you think that all gps should be the same price,
and how much do you think they should be?

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Well, I think there should be consistency because then you
do have people that don't have that much money, and look,
it's pretty tough for a lot of people out there
at the moment. They would go to the low cost option,
and that's great to have. But we saw that story
the other day that poor clinic and a Ortata lines
down the street. So if there was more consistency and
maybe we subsidize these gps a little bit, more. Then

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we can get in and see a doctor when we
need to, rather than ending up in A and.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
E with whose money? Whose money?

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Are we going to subsidize all of our money? Sounds
like communism to me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. Are really keen
to hear how much you pay to go visit your
doctor and have wait times reduced? It has been a
big issue for a long time that many clinics and
GP practices around the country minimum two week weight, maybe
a little bit longer.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Yeah, well, wait times won't reduce if you have a
standardized lower price, will they.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Well, let's see about that. What do you say, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's fourteen past three News TALKSB. We're talking about why
do gps charge different amounts? In Ponsonby In Auckland's there's
one clinic that charges ninety bucks per visit. A clinic
across the road all Family Medical Center charges just twenty

(01:27:00):
nine bucks. So why the big difference? Do we need
to have more consistency in what GP's charge. James, what
do you think about this?

Speaker 16 (01:27:08):
Yeah, it wouldn't It wouldn't hurt to have a consistent
price on the GPS. I go to medical center here
in nine I I think it's about fifty or sixty
months to go and visit or something like that. But
the thing I've found is for the last four or
five years I've been paying them ten dollars a week
through an automatic payment to their account to help pay

(01:27:31):
my doctor's bill smart and I think currently my bills
my accounts standing somewhere a couple of hundred in the brack,
so I don't have to worry too much about paying it.
I think most doctors could do that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Yeah, I mean that's a sensible, sensible way to deal
with it. My thing with the consistency and doctors is
they're a business and they should be able to charge
what they need to. And of course there's the other
thing of if you are running a doctor on in
a very expensive area in terms of the rent you
have to pay for your clinic then and you're going

(01:28:09):
to have you're going to have bigger you know, you've
got bigger outlays.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
So if there would be.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Ridiculous that someone that's paying let's just pull a number
out one hundred dollars a week rent and that would
never happen for the Yeah, their facility, and there's someone
paying one thousand dollars a week, then surely the people
that are paying a thousand dollars a week have to
charge their patients more.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Yeah, But does more money equal better access? That's what
I worry about with our public health system. That you've
got a place charging ninety dollars because they've got the
best GPS and it's a very nice experience, and it's
a lovely clinic, that's all, you know, all well and good,
and I get you know, it's a it's a democracy,
and people can do those things. But I worry about

(01:28:49):
the access to the best doctors, just because you've got
a bit of extra cash.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Right, I see it's saying, but I mean you could
say that about absolutely everything in society, couldn't you.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Yeah, I mean that's that's capitalism, James.

Speaker 16 (01:29:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
How often would you go to the GP?

Speaker 16 (01:29:05):
Probably two maybe three times a year if I need to,
And as you say, it does take a while to
get in. I mean I'm due to go to see
the doctor and a couple of weeks now, I've had
my main appointment last Tuesday, and it's going to be
at least all the twelfth of November before I can

(01:29:26):
get in. But I don't mind that because it's not urgent.
I'm just giving something, you know, getting a check out
and check up and something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Have you got better at ed going to see the
GP when you have an ailment? I mean, is it
fair to say, maybe in your younger years that it
was pretty hard for you to get to the GP.
You just thought you had been a bit of a baby.

Speaker 16 (01:29:47):
Yeah, well you know you got when you're young, felly.
You think you're running and vulnerable and you know I
don't want to give them a doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Well, I think it's great, James that you're thinking about
it and that you're putting the money aside with that
direct credit, because that's the Yeah. I mean, I absolutely
encourage people to go to the doctor. There's this text that's
come through here that I think is really pertinent.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
My children lost their dad to cancer when they were
eight and eleven because he refused to go to the
doctor about a digestive issue. Put your big boy pants
on and get to the doctor. That's from AJ. Thank
you for that text, And I totally believe there is
a serious problem in this country with men not going
to the doctor because, as James says, we do sometimes

(01:30:31):
feel invincible. On top of that, we also don't want
to be a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
But I will.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
I will, out of respect to that text, go and
get my digestive issue looked at.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Yep, Well, I've got an email here on that issue
as well. Matt, you want to hear it. Yeah, it
has given you a serve again.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
Okay, Well, that seems to having a lot here and
I enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Right, I deserve it? Yeah, right, yeah, here it is,
it says Hi Tyler. Please tell Matt to go see
the GP. He is not making a fuss. Gastric issues
can be due to all sorts of conditions, benign or not.
Better to be told eat better rather than why didn't
you come in sooner? How often do you hear of
people being too late with a serious condition could have
been treated early with a good outcome. Stop being a

(01:31:11):
pigot girl's blouse. Matts speaking from over forty years experience
in the surgical area from Terresa.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Okay, Teresa, Oh well, I'll book now. I'll try and
book now. Actually, but let's see how soon I can
book into my doctor.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
Eh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
Well, we've got a tersa on the on the phone, Theresa.
That wasn't you that sent through the email?

Speaker 9 (01:31:29):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
It was Tyler?

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Oh, well, good to chat with you. I mean you
said that very well, and you bang on and I
think Matt's feel little bit chasen now. But the cost,
the cost of GPS generally, do you think there is
some logic there to have it more consistent?

Speaker 9 (01:31:47):
Okay?

Speaker 29 (01:31:47):
So the GP that is you said twenty nine dollars yep, yep?
Are they also an urgent care provider?

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
It doesn't give that information, but while we're chatting, I'll
find that out. So it's the All Family Medical Center
versus the Pontsmbee Medical Center.

Speaker 29 (01:32:06):
Yeah, so potentially one thing You've got a lot of
cat is, you know, and I know they're both in
the sort of same geographical area. If one is providing
twenty four hour urgent care, they will be getting funded differently, okay,
as opposed to the other GP, who was probably just

(01:32:26):
working off an appointment basis. It will also depend on
obviously locations, because as I think Matt said, they work
as a business with which both of them do. I
where I am in the Auckland area, I was actually

(01:32:47):
seeing a GP in EPSOM who was charging fifty dollars
for consult which I felt was starting to get a
little bit up there, and so I changed and I
now go down into Only Hunger, where I pay twenty
nine they are an urgent care and twenty for our

(01:33:09):
medical and that's the difference where the other one wasn't.
So a lot of it comes down to population based
funding and that's why you get a different fee. The
other thing is that you have to realize gps are
actually private, they're not public.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
As I understand it, and sorry to jump in there, Toresa,
but also how way clinic is subsidized is there's a
lot to do with the ages of their clientele, right
that if you do have a lot of children and
elderly people, you're going to have more of that subsidy
coming your way than a clinic who has more patients
exfluence between twenty and forty.

Speaker 29 (01:33:49):
A lot of it comes down Yeah, I suppose you're
probably right because population based funding has been around for
a very long time, so the government actually looked at
the area where you are. So because I'm going down
to Only Hunger, obviously that is a more diverse population.
There's probably a higher need for the population that is

(01:34:14):
based down there, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
getting too yeah yeah, as opposed to obviously the more affluent.

Speaker 8 (01:34:22):
It's some area.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Hey, Teresa, I've been accused of my life of being
stubborn and not listening to people. But the reason why
I've been quiet because I did listen to you, Teresa
and Enna. And I've just booked myself into my into
my doctor for an examination. Yep, first day I can
get in Monday, the eleventh of November.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Well, there we go, so poked in. Well done, Teresa,
and we're going to find out on the twelfth of November.

Speaker 29 (01:34:45):
How when I'm looking forward to it, I just want
to sort of hear whether he's just been needing too
much junk food. Well, I know that's the thing. But
the other thing is is as we get older, everything
starts to get a bit more flack, so you get
a lot more sort of reflux than that sort of
thingish you get older.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Yeah, there's been some complaints about the upstairs bathroom after
I've been in there, but let's not talk about that.

Speaker 29 (01:35:09):
Oh darn, well, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Yeah, very good, Thank you, very much Teresa, thank you
for calling it and thank you for the email as well.
It is twenty six past.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
Three Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
eighty eighty on news Talk said, be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
It's twenty eight past three.

Speaker 6 (01:35:32):
This is news Talk, said, be breaking.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
News, yes and breaking news. A man sort in connection
with a fatality after an assault on a barston on
a hunger yesterday has been taken into custody. Police have
confirmed the thirty seven year old handed himself in at
north Shore Police Station this afternoon. Just repeating that breaking news.
A man's sort in connection with a fatality after an
assault on a barson on a hunger yesterday has been

(01:35:57):
taken into custody. Police have confirmed the thirty seven year
old has handed himself in at north Shore Police Station
this afternoon. So more on that story in the headlines
very shortly and with hitheron I'm sure as well after
four o'clock. But we are talking about GPS and how
much they charge. Should there be more consistency across the board?
You say, Matt, that they are a business and if

(01:36:18):
they want to charge ninety bucks a poth so be
it if people don't pay it, then they'll drop their price.
That is supply and demand.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Yeah, and we need more doctors, so they need to
be paid because the best way to you know, I've
just had to booked an appointment here, can't get in
there until Monday the eleventh. So if it's a lucrative
business for people, get we'll get more more doctors.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Well, this text to see is get our guys know
to a complete doctor GP's subsidy. As already there are
doctor's rooms clogged up with people who could go to
a chemist. Keep those texts coming through on nine two
ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
But that's kind of the opp But there's the other
side to that as well, which is that you should
go to the doctor if you have a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
Yeah, like you told several times, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
And so I've been chastened and I've booked the doctor,
and I've noticed I've got a seventy three dollars credit
in my doctor.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
How do you get a credit?

Speaker 4 (01:37:08):
I've got no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Maybe I was amazing, Maybe maybe it was a real
pleasurable experience to examine me.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
I do have a great board.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
I eight one hundred eighty eighty. It is hulpas three
beck of a modus.

Speaker 10 (01:37:22):
Talks, it'd be headlines with blue bubble. Taxis it's no
trouble with a blue bubble. A man sought in connection
with a fatality after an assault on a bus in
Ornihunger yesterday has handed himself into police. Police say the
thirty seven year olds in custody after arriving at north
Shore Police Station. The Associate Housing Minister says a drop

(01:37:44):
in people in emergency housing is because the government set
clearer expectations with the Ministry of Social Development, not because
people are being booted out. Almost thirty thousand households have
received first payments under the Family Boost childcare scheme out
of an estimated one hundred thousand eligible. The Cancer Control

(01:38:04):
Agency says as of January this year, twenty four medicines
used to treat blood cancer were available in Australia but
not here, but New Zealand offers thirteen blood cancer medicines
not available in Australia. Prime Minister Chris Luxon and his
wife Amanda have arrived in some more for the Commonwealth
Heads of Government meeting problematic decisions. How Wellington's Council has

(01:38:29):
stopped listening to residents. Read the full column at enzid
Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we are talking
about general practitioners. This is on the back of how
much they charge there. It can be a huge difference
in the cost of a GP appointment across New Zealand,
anywhere from ninety dollars to ten dollars. Does there need
to be more consistency in what has been your experience? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call Angelo. How are you hei?

Speaker 7 (01:38:55):
I am good?

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
Thank you?

Speaker 8 (01:38:56):
How about you?

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
Very good on a Thursday? So how much does your
GP charge you?

Speaker 7 (01:39:03):
Sixty five bucks?

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
It's on there.

Speaker 7 (01:39:06):
Yeah, it's not that bad because I used to go
to a cheaper one. But you obviously you've heard about
the you get what you pay for, right, Yeah, and
that was cheaper. I was twenty nine dollars. But I
have to wait two three hours just to be seen.
And the worst part was I was there. I've been

(01:39:27):
waiting two three hours and then after after the initial console,
I said, oh, by the way, I have another issue,
and then the doctor said, hey, you know what, just
book another one ten minutes to stop there.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
Funny.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
And so it's there a walk in service Angelo, because
I don't think I've ever been to a clinic. So
you walk and you take a number, and you're probably
gonna wait there for a couple of hours. How that works?

Speaker 7 (01:39:53):
Yes, yes, basically, I fully understand the uh they look
at depending on the urgency of the case. I fully
understand that. But really watching people come and go, and
I even had an experience where I went there, I booked.
I said, look, I'm already here, just to let you know.

(01:40:13):
I have a one o'clock appointment. Three two hours later,
I went to the reception. I said, look, I haven't
been seen. I've seen everyone come and go. And he's
and she was like, what's your name again? I said, Angelo, Oh,
you're not on the list. I'm like, I've been sitting.

Speaker 6 (01:40:29):
Here two hours.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
It might be pretty well, it's that experience.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:40:35):
I'd rather pay yeah and have a good experience rather
than waste my time there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
This is off top of Angelo, But you've got a
beautiful accent. Where's that from.

Speaker 7 (01:40:46):
I'm from the Philippines.

Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
Oh it's beautiful accent.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
Yeah, very good, Thank you, thank you. Very much, Angela.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Thank you having beautiful voice, Angela. Get him on the ready, ready,
get him on the replace. ANGELI replaced toilight.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
You can't make Angela. Craig, Hey you doing mate?

Speaker 8 (01:41:04):
Hey guys, Yeah, Hey, First of all, what a great
job you guys are doing. I know you had some
big boots to fill, but you're doing a good job.

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
Oh, thank you, Lox, Thank you so much, Craig, appreciate
that genuinely.

Speaker 8 (01:41:15):
No, it's good. You guys got the conversation flowing and
you're both fun. So yeah, good on your bless Hey.
Look a little bit off topic, but we're rural, we're
a not tra hunger and generally about three weeks to
see a doctor. Yeah, but one of the issues that

(01:41:36):
really we're seeing, if I if I, if I'm allowed
to sort of express the opinion a little bit, is
my wife has had a large list about the size
of the key fruit and you're growing that. We were
told we went to work out of a hospital about
three or four weeks ago, and the specialist a year.

(01:41:57):
We've definitely going to deal with that. My wife's a
caregiver and she's obviously doing a bit of heavy lifting
and bits and pieces and then we were sived. So
he was like, yeah, this has got to happen, so
we'll put it on the short list and you'll probably
have this happen in the next like six weeks. For
three months. Then we received a letter last week but

(01:42:19):
it's not important. It's no longer a round on their list,
so it's sort of as rubbed off, right, So we're
flying her to China in three weeks time. They had
the surgery done, which with the air fairs are about
seven hundred dollars New Zealand, and then it's about two

(01:42:42):
hundred dollars for the operation in China and then she'll
come back. Wow, and she she'll just take a week's
holiday to do that. But isn't it sad that we've
got caregivers that are working in these zealand that are
having to fly to other countries to have surgery done
so they can come back to work and pay more taxes.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Yeah, very much. So I didn't realize that it had got
to that extent, Craig, But that is a sorry state
of affairs.

Speaker 8 (01:43:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty bad. I mean, especially when specialists
are saying, yeah, this has got to happen and he
was great, like he was. His feedback is awsome. But
then somewhere along the bureaucratic pathway, it got to know.
So now we just decided, well, you know, we've obviously

(01:43:25):
we've got to deal with this because she's sleeping with
a pillow between her leagues for the last twelve months
because it's so painful and it's kind of frustrating though,
you know, like we're both paying taxes, we're both hard workers,
were you know, yeah, frustrated to the next Now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Craig, if you don't mind me asking, how do you
go about booking procedure in China?

Speaker 8 (01:43:49):
It's not easy. So my wife is originally from China,
so her mom and dad still live there, so they've
organized the the operation to be done there, and the
obviously all the scans and so forth have been sent
to the in China so that they're aware of what

(01:44:10):
they have to do.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
Your wife's still a Chinese citizen.

Speaker 8 (01:44:15):
She's a New Zealand resident, but she's been here twenty
two years and she's been working as a caregiver for
the last ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
We do that, I just know, because medical tourism does
exist in many parts of the country. Thailand obviously, and
there are companies set up to help you get if
you want dental work, but I believe you can also
have other surgeries as well if you need them and
you've got the money. Is that the situation in China
or you do have to be a citizen of China
to get an operation there.

Speaker 8 (01:44:41):
No, it's more of the fact that she had worked
in China for quite a few years, like so, she
worked for the Bank of China for a number of
years as well, so there is a little bit of
influence there, and the fact that she does have a
medical background in China, so that's probably part of why

(01:45:03):
it's not so expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Well, all the best of that, Craig, and all the
best to you for your wife, and I hope it
goes well for you and good on you for taking action.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
Yeah, thanks very much, Craig. Right, Oh, eight hundred and
eighty teen eighty is the number to call. We'll get
to more of your phone calls very shortly. It is
twenty minutes.

Speaker 6 (01:45:20):
Before Mattie Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on mad Even Taylor Adams afternoons us talk said.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
Be seventeen to four.

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Mary, we're talking about GPS and the different costs you
pay for different GPS.

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
Your thoughts.

Speaker 31 (01:45:38):
You have just had a post arrived, so anyhoppy?

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
Oh what are you got something from Tim? Oh this
is exciting.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
Take the take the phone out and let us love together.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
This is good Mary.

Speaker 31 (01:45:51):
Oh, no cookie, cooky awful things. I don't know what
he's done with it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
He's going, he's going. Has he dropped anything off?

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
Give him a yell, tell him not to run away.
You want your parcel?

Speaker 31 (01:46:00):
No, we ave got a camera?

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
So oh god, god, but a minute he came in,
knocked on the door. Did he leave the parcel or
did he go?

Speaker 31 (01:46:12):
Well, he's gone, but he didn't knock.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
That's that isying. You run down the road and get us.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
I reckon your parcels. He dropped the parcel off somewhere.

Speaker 31 (01:46:23):
It's probably only something really miracle.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
Anyway, but anyhow, well that's important.

Speaker 31 (01:46:29):
Yeah. Hey, the thing is a lot of I live
and I suppose a small a country town probably, but
quite a bit bigger than notes. You're hunger.

Speaker 16 (01:46:39):
But we.

Speaker 31 (01:46:42):
Issue is actually being able to get doctors, full time
doctors to come here and for a long, long time.
It's really COVID. We've not had doctors full time. I
think we've got about three or four here, but in
one very very good lady, but she's only three days
a week unfortunately. So yeah, you've got a three or

(01:47:03):
four week wait to get to see, especially a good one.

Speaker 9 (01:47:07):
But the biggest, big.

Speaker 31 (01:47:09):
Issue is apparently a lot of people do not tune
up for appointments. No, they don't ring in right.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
So that's frustrating when you've got a locom take it
turning up three days a week, and then some people
don't tune up. That's not a good look, is it.

Speaker 31 (01:47:26):
Well, it's not just for Locans. It's apparently they have
about two hundred a month of people who don't turn up.

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
Wow.

Speaker 31 (01:47:33):
I actually think they need to start charging people.

Speaker 17 (01:47:35):
But we don't have.

Speaker 31 (01:47:37):
Our fees are low here anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
I'd assume that I would I would get charged if
I don't turn up for a doctor. In fact, I
get annoyed because I always turn up for the doctor
on time and then they make you wait, I do oh, well,
I use that, but I feel like if I don't
tune up on time, then that I feel like I
should be charged.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
I always get it earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
If you don't give twenty four hours notice, I mean
he ar sorry, Yeah, but no, I'm just.

Speaker 31 (01:48:01):
Going to say, it's just like dangerous. You don't know
when when something's going to happen something. No, they might
be in the middle of a filling, might take longer
than what they expected, or even with a doctor like
I'm terrible for having more than one or two things
to talk them there and here, they're very good. I've

(01:48:22):
never my doctor's never said you know, you look sorry,
you're over time or anything like that. But yeah, so
I don't mind waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
Well, Mary, if they're going to make you wait, then
they should get newer magazines in the waiting room.

Speaker 4 (01:48:34):
But I'm actually I'm quite worried about your parcel because
you live rurally. Will that will that come back? How
long do you have to wait till they come back?

Speaker 31 (01:48:41):
He's probably put it there. I had a little seat
out the back. Yeah, they can put it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
Yeah, because if you hadn't seen him, he didn't knock
on the door. He can't run away without giving you
a passage without knocking on the door.

Speaker 31 (01:48:53):
I've got my phone on charge to so I can't
really love.

Speaker 8 (01:48:57):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
A lot of people are upset about this parcel business. Mary.
They want to know. I mean, is it there? Can
you open up the door and ever.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
We look for us, but it can't come, and we
need some lootion here on Tina hawks around your parcel.

Speaker 3 (01:49:11):
Yeah, do you know his first because sometimes you know,
with the rural career, you know he is. He's a
local down at the pub. Do you know who he is?

Speaker 10 (01:49:18):
You know what?

Speaker 31 (01:49:19):
I'm on them? If we've got the wrongest dream, I know,
here we go something.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
She's got it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:25):
She's got it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
Are you brave enough to open it up?

Speaker 25 (01:49:29):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (01:49:30):
You know what it is?

Speaker 6 (01:49:32):
No?

Speaker 31 (01:49:33):
I can sort of feel something.

Speaker 5 (01:49:36):
I know what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
Oh, this is like Christmas.

Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
Yeah, can you hear? Can you sar?

Speaker 9 (01:49:40):
Mary?

Speaker 10 (01:49:40):
Christmas?

Speaker 22 (01:49:42):
No?

Speaker 31 (01:49:42):
No, no, I'm not going to open it. I think
it's a touple of you know, really cool breakfast trade.
Little rubber, little rubber thing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
He is on the seat the silicon. Those are good days,
are there?

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
Great?

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Well, that's a happy end of the story. And thank
you so much for calling us Mary. Thank goodness there.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Was a roller coaster, and thank goodness she got the
was a breakfast trade. The Silicon briefast tras mirror. You're great.
We got to take a quick break.

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
But before we do that, Yeah, I'm going to ask
you a question.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
Neurosurgeons are the highest, highest gross salary owners.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
And the medical profession in New Zealand. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
What do you think is the average yearly wage the
gross salary for a new neurosurgeon in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
I'm going to say three hundred thousand per year.

Speaker 4 (01:50:33):
Tyler, you're so far off.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
But two, what do you think a neurosurgeon an average
neurosurgeon gets paid in New Zealand, not a average They
might be great, but for.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
Top quality neurosurgeon, you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:50:44):
Want to go to an average neurosurgeon. The But the
average gross salary for a neurosurgeon in New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (01:50:51):
Is it is?

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Twelve to four.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons you
for twenty twenty four US talk, said.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
Said B nine to four. Now before the break, you
asked a question of the audience.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Yeah, that's right, because we're asking about the costs of
GPS and how they vary from place to place, so
I thought I'd go right to the highest paid medical
profession professionals in New Zealand. They are neurosurgeons. I asked
how much their gross annual salary was, so some of.

Speaker 3 (01:51:24):
The guesses coming through four hundred and ninety five thousands,
one point eight million bucks.

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
This is the average.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
Yeah, hi, guys, I hope it's over a million. My daughter, well,
this is a nice tech season. My daughter had brain
surgery in January. They saved her life and are the
most incredible people you'll ever meet meet. That's from Glenn.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
There's a great book you can read called Do No
Harm from a Neurosurgeon. I read it not so long ago,
and boy, oh boy, that is a high pressure job
with calls that don't go the way you expect and very.

Speaker 4 (01:51:56):
Different conversations they have to have.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
But the average neurosurgeons gross salary in New Zealand, you
guess three hundred thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:52:03):
You were very wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
It is five hundred and fifty thousand, or an equivalent
hourly of two hundred and sixty five dollars. In addition,
they earn an average bonus of one hundred and thirty
two thousand dollars a year. An entry live on eurosurgeon
earns an average of three hundred thirty thousand and an
eight plus years. You're a surgeon earns eight hundred and
sixty seven thousand dollars a years. Yep, because you want

(01:52:27):
to go to an experienced one if you can't take.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
Here, Krishna, how are you good man?

Speaker 25 (01:52:31):
How are you very good?

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
You're going to be our final call on this one.
GP visits on how much they charge. What's your thoughts?

Speaker 25 (01:52:39):
I was going to go slightly off topic, but on
the health thing as well. One of the guys said
that non legtive surgeries, it didn't you know, it didn't happen.
He had to go to China.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:52:49):
You know, our health.

Speaker 25 (01:52:50):
System does two things. Right, if you've got injured because
of accident or something, it looks after you. And if
it's if it's an urgent surgery, then then then they
look after you. Now the area in between. You know,
in the real world, most people want to have an
insurance scheme that supports it. We tend to not do

(01:53:12):
the insurance scheme, which means you kind of take take
of it a risk, which means you haven't been paying
premiums for that, and that's the money that goes towards
some non in a non urgent surgery that you could
do it here all you need to do overseas. Other
countries have different schemes, which is they don't have the
accident in acc scheme and they covered that way. We

(01:53:32):
are able to cover a bit more of the non elective,
non urgent type stuff, and so the country decides which
way to go. But we can't be taxing people more.
We have taxing quite everything, and you can't know, increase
the minimum wage quite significantly. So so from all those perspectives,
I think what you get in New Zealand it's pretty decent.

(01:53:53):
If you want to go to some weird places to
understand how bad the l situation is, I think you
will come to try it.

Speaker 6 (01:53:59):
But I wouldn't.

Speaker 25 (01:54:00):
I wouldn't change the current system for anything.

Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Well, had good to heat, some good to hear something
positive about the New Zealand health system.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Yeah, yeah, that's a nice one.

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
That's actually a general.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
Rule for New Zealanders that we complain a lot, but
a lot of us haven't seen how things are in
the rest of the world. And you know, we have
our challenges here, but New Zealand is a great place
to live and we are doing our very best.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
We need to sort things out.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
We don't know how lucky we are from old fred Dagg.
It was good song and it rings true sometimes, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
Hey, I'm excited about tomorrow Tyler on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
New Zealander of the Week, the third ever.

Speaker 4 (01:54:46):
Matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealander of the Week. Who
will it be? Will name that just after three o'clock tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Yeah, nomination potentials. I mean, it seems a lifetime ago.
That massive weekend and sport we had last weekend. Holy moly,
everyone was a winner after that weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Yeah, absolutely so a lot of them will be in
the mix, and probably not Mary's Corey who didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
Knock on the door.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
No, she got it in the end though, so everyone
was happy. And of course we've got topical tune as well.
You're a the winner last time. It's one apiece at
the stage.

Speaker 6 (01:55:18):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:55:18):
So I had a great show today. We'll be back
tomorrow yea.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
Anyway, enjoy the rest of your afternoon and evening Friday tomorrow.
We will catch you then give him a.

Speaker 4 (01:55:29):
Tasty keyword from me.

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
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