Full Show Podcast: 25 March 2025

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Hello, Great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matton Tyler Afternoons
Full Show Pod number ninety four for Tuesday, the twenty
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end of people reconnecting their families via DNA. A shocking
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dodgy behavior.

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Yeah, it was shocking. It was quite lued, to be honest,
Yeah it was.

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And then there's some vikings that come through and threatened
to burn down some monasteries. And we've got an ancestor
of Genghis Khn that comes through.

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The great great, great great great great granddaughter of Ginger's Khn.

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Who would have thought the great great great ga great
great great great great great great great great great great granddaughter.
So that's worth waiting for that and some other topics
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Speaker 1 (01:15):
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Speaker 5 (01:26):
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Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, good afternoon, Welcome into the show. Seven past one.
Hope you're doing well. If you're listening in the country,
great day of your company has always Met and Tyler
with you until four pm. Get a Maddie, get a Tyler,
Get everyone now. Can I just mention something? It's apropos
of nothing, but crickets in Auckland are so freaking loud
at night.

Speaker 6 (01:55):
It is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
When I went outside to let the dog do her
business and it just sounded like a freaking concert. It
was so freaking loud, those black crickets. I don't think
you get them in the South Island.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, is it just me? No, they are really loud here.
I was making a television show once for some people
overseas and we sent the filming over there and they said,
there's just terrible static in your audio. It's terrible audio.
And we were trying to work out what it was,
and we just had crickets for so long we didn't
hear them anymore. Yeah, so it was basically, yeah, the

(02:30):
crickets are loud. Here's white noise to orpen. I mean
it's very very warm at the moment, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, And I know they having a good time the cricket,
so I don't hold it against them. But yeah, that
was just my little.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
And they're ridiculously loud a cricket, just one cricket considering
how small they are, just rubbing what are they rubing?
They're rubbing their back legs together or something, rubbing their
wings together.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, they attracted other crickets.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
What do you doing?

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Cricket? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Loving against you?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Just keep it down down which on a sleep? Have
you tried calling noise control line?

Speaker 3 (02:57):
We'll do that next time. Right on to today's show
after three o'clock twenty three and me. You may know
this website. It's gone bankrupt, but it was one of
the major home testing company in terms of tracing your
lineage via your DNA, of course, and we're gonna have
a chat about obviously, what happens to your data if

(03:17):
you've given your DNA to twenty three and me. That
may be of concern to you, but we also want
to take it a bit wider than that and have
a chat about your stories. If you've done one of
those ancestry dot Com, twenty three and me websites, what
have you found out?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, it's funny when you look back and you find
out and you may not be what you think you were.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
I found out some very interesting stuff about my heritage
when my sister decided to do it. Yep, looking forward,
I don't quite believe it, but you know it's going
to be Apparently it's that's going to be a good story.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
After three o'clock. After two o'clock, fest of all failures
has promptly calls for a bit of a shake up
in ticketing rules. Is on the back of Juicy Fist
and Timeless Summer. They have gone bankrupt and it looks
unlikely that the ticket holders will get their money back.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yes, there's an interesting situation that you might not know.
When you go to the Ticke Techs and the ticket masters.
The money is held by that company until it's given
to the promoter or the organizer of the concert. But
other places, the money goes straight to the people putting
it together, and they might spend it on putting the
concert together, and then when it goes bust, that money

(04:25):
just doesn't exist anymore. It's nowhere. Yeah, so yeah, I
mean it's a bit of a problem.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, absolutely, And we're going to be chatting to Brend Equals,
you know, one of our biggest festival promoters in that
hour as well, So we'll break that all down. But
right now, let's have a chat about what they're calling pleasure.
But what Matt has called a waliday, which I kind
of like. I think Walladay is a bit better than pleasure.

(04:51):
But to bring you up to speed on what a
pleasure is, So, a Flight Center survey found younger work
is no surprise here, We're more likely to fancy adding
on a few days of leisure to a business trip,
hence the pleasure part.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
So they said sixty four percent of kiwis I wanted
to extend their work trips for a personal holiday, making
their trip into that pleasure for the youngest workers or
the Walladay. For the youngest workers in Generation Z, seventy
four percent showed interest in combining business and leisure travel.
Only forty six percent of the baby boomers, who were

(05:25):
all at least sixty years old, felt the same way.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Just before we go on, are they cicadas that you're
talking about? Or are they crickets and crickets and cicadas
different things? Nineteen ninety two, someone will tell me I
feel like they're cicadas. Mate. Anyway, I'm off the topic. Yeah,
you can just zone people. Why are we even having
business trips anymore?

Speaker 7 (05:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean, I mean I love a business trip as
much as the next person, In fact, more than most people.
I love a good work trip. And I'm not gonna
lie here.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I would hang on a minute, What business do you
do overseas?

Speaker 8 (05:55):
By the roll?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
That's why I love.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
There's no business that needs Tyler Adams flying overseas.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Nobody's sending me anywhere. So when I get the small
chance to go and have a bit of a business
trip and quote you, I'm adding a couple of days
of leave on to that.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
What business strip to visit your parents? And Nelson?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's a good market Nelson.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
No, But do we actually need them anymore? What are
the advantages on business trips?

Speaker 7 (06:20):
What?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
What do you get that you that you don't get
on a zoom call. And I've been I go on
a few trips like this, and I have noticed the
younger people you go away with. You know, you're heading
back to the airport and you're going home, and they're like, no,
I'm going to be in Dubai for two weeks. You know, okay, right,
But you know, once you've got kids and such, it's
a lot harder to do that. But yeah, do we

(06:40):
need business trips at all? Overseas trips?

Speaker 3 (06:42):
What do you feel about business trips? Do you think
people are taking the.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Make I love them, Yeah, I love them, but I
absolutely take them make up so there's like one meeting
at the end of the week and seven days of
racking it up.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
But honesty call, do you think they add? There's value
there when you take a work trap, and whether that
value was bonding with your workmates or getting that face
to face time with a client or whatever, it may be,
clearly there's some value.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think it's important with any business to talk up
that value as much as you can. I think you
should be walking around your office saying how valuable it
would be if you did happen to go to Parry
around the same time as the Rugby World Cup. Also
I did last year.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, you'd be very honest. Today I had one hundred
eighty ten eighty is to call, we're both right.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Crickets at night, cicadas during the day. The chirping ones
during the day are cicadas. You don't hear them at night.
Ones you hear at night of the cricket. So it
is those little black credit yeah, yeah, yeah, yep there.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
And are those crickets only in the North Island nine
two ninety two? Is it a South Island thing? They
just seem to be a little bit more conscientious down
in the South Island.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
They're a little bit more respectful. Yeah, a little bit,
quite a bit shyer in the South Island.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah yeah, I had one hundred eighty ten eighty work trips.
Obviously after COVID they went to the back of the
scrap heap. But are they coming back? Are you still
undertaking these work trips and how important are they for
your business? Those face to face meetings or honesty call?
Could you do that over zoomah?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
And also if you want to share some details of
business trips that went loose, we'd like to hear those
as well.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yep, we're all about that. Ninety two ninety two is
the text number. It is thirteen past one.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
everything in between. Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo
XC ninety attention to detail and a commitment to comfort
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Speaker 4 (08:32):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Good afternoon. It is sixteen past one, and we're talking
about work trips. They're calling them pleasure, which is mixing
business with leisure. So Flight Center did a survey and
found sixty four percent of key we respondents wanted to
extend their work trips for a personal holiday, making their
work trips a pleasure, pleasure or a waladay as.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
You like to call it.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
For the youngest workers gen Z, seventy four percent showed
interest in combining business and leisure travel. So that's of
no surprise. Rarely that the younger workers would want to
tag a few days on.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
If you if you're going on a business trip and
then you're shoving a holiday and the end of it,
was it really a business trip or did you go
over Because if it was a business trip, wouldn't you
want to go over there? Get straight on the plane
to get back to consolidate what you what you'd learned
over there, and tend to lean into the relationships for
the good of your company.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
I would have thought so.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
But if you're going over there for a work trip
and then you know, mainly drink the whole time and
turn up to a few meetings hungover and maybe hook
up with a couple of people over there from whatever
conference you add or whatever, and then add two weeks
jaunt around Europe or something. Were you really on a
business trip at all? Was the whole thing a holiday?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Unless you've signed up that client at the conference, then
you can't tag on next a couple of days your holiday.
That seems like you're taking the make. You've got to
have some KPIs in there for the work trip and
nail those KPIs and then if you want another week
and do bike, go for gold.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
But has does it? What is the difference? I mean,
this text here says you can't give a good, hard
bone crushing handshake over zoom. So what is it? Have
you achieved something on a business trip that you know
you wouldn't be able to achieve with a Zoom call?
And it is a disaster for people, because of course
work trips were one of the reasons why people might

(10:19):
take a job right and then of course from the
punishing COVID lockdown times, zoom fired up and then that
was a solution that because it was you know, just
across town or across the country, you know, worked globally,
didn't it? But is it the same thing? Can you?
Because if you haven't, if on a work trip, you

(10:41):
might have your meeting and then you might go out
for dinner, and then you might learn about their family,
learn about their life, learn about the culture, actually work
out what they actually really really want as opposed to
what they're saying to you in the meeting.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, I mean we just had our Prime Minister and
a whole bunch of people go to India for a
I mean, could you call that a bleasure? Maybe not.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
He made some cricket that looked fun, that looked like
just a business strip, that looked like they worked really
really hard. I mean I lost his voice by the
end of it. I don't think that he didn't add
another two weeks head down to thru Lanka for a
couple of weeks, and your thoughts on this.

Speaker 9 (11:18):
Since two thousand and one. I've probably been on close
to thirty overseas trips on behalf of the company, insisted
upon by our suppliers overseas we're expected to attend, and
on almost all of them I had a bit of
a holiday at the end of them. But every evening

(11:38):
I typed up a report of what happened during the day,
what was discussed, and anything our company needed to know,
and I'd send it back so they were well up
to date with what and what was happening.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Do you think you're an outlier and behaving like that
on a work trip.

Speaker 9 (11:57):
I'm conscientious, so I don't know. I can't speak for others.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
I used to go.

Speaker 9 (12:01):
I imagine Directory used to come with me, and then
it dropped down just to me because I was in
charge of particular brands. But yeah, I mean New York City, London,
lots of Asian places. I went to lots of places
in the States.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
And do you get to know, do you go out
even though it's a work trip and you see the
sites and do not while you're working?

Speaker 9 (12:28):
No? No, And for example, in China, we'd fly to
Hong Kong, or I don't fly to Hong Kong, catch
a ferry around the Pearl River delta to one of
the many ports they said they'd picked me up from.
Then I'd get off the ferry and walk out, and
I'd be a guy with a sign with my name on,
and he could drive me three hours in land China

(12:50):
to a city or sorry, a town of five million people,
and the reverse would happen when the conference was finished.
So the only place where you went actually at the
conference was to perhaps a dinner with the our company
and all the other people from all around the world.

(13:11):
Or we might do factory visits to look at the
product being manufactured to give you a greater understanding. And
then I'd come back to Hong Kong and maybe have
a few days in Hong Kong. Or when I had
to go to the state, so I'd go to New
York for a few days, or you know.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
With those asing countries in would there be any way
you could conduct that business via something like zoom or
is that just not how business done? You have to
be over there.

Speaker 9 (13:39):
Nothing, There is nothing replaces standing in front of another
human being and talking about an issue. Nothing body language.
And we had dealers from all around the South Pacific
and Asia. There we can interact with them. We could
discuss our problems and you can see them. And then

(14:01):
nothing replaces a personal meeting.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
As the social part of it, though, do you is
that a big part of it going out for drinks
and talk.

Speaker 9 (14:13):
It wasn't so much drinks. It was more of more
of a meal and sometimes our factory supplies would come
and you just talk to them. There's not a huge
culture of going out and getting smashed in the middle
of nowhere in China. Tell you an interesting story if

(14:34):
I've got a second. There's the big hotels. We were
three hours and say a city of the problems of Guangdong,
and we were in a town I didn't know the
name of, but they had these five star hotels, and
the hotels have entertainment wings, and the Asians are very
familiar with it. We're not. And so you're the company

(14:57):
books a room and you go into the room, and
you can walk out onto a balcony and look at
the theater that's three four times the size of say
the Alta theat, and they perform shows and they're trying
to be modern and hip, but they just don't get it.
And for us, it's just like corny as hell. And

(15:20):
you can go downstairs at the bar. In the in
the middle of the bar was a band and they
were playing. You could go up and sing if you
wanted to make a dicky out of yourself. And there
are women there you could just sit at the bar
and play li Dice with And they come in and
show you a flower. You buy the flower, you give
it to her, she handed back to the cellar, and

(15:41):
they go and sell it to someone else. Well, it's
just very interesting.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Sounds on a good time. Did you do much of
the karaoke in.

Speaker 9 (15:51):
Only in the little room, not in the bar where
they have a karaoke machine and you could just sing
to it.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Now, Ian, do you think the reason why you're seent
on so many? I mean, how did you say thirty?
Since when was it thirty thirty? Yeah, the reason why
you're sent on so many is because you are conscientious
and you go on a business strip and you don't
turn it into a bleisure or a waladay, and so

(16:19):
they go, well, Ian, we've got to send Ian again.

Speaker 10 (16:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (16:22):
Well, I'd like to think that anybody who is there
is as interested in their brand and their product and
the success of it, as I was a lot of
the people there actually owned They were the owners of
the dealerships in different countries, whereas I was representing our

(16:43):
dealership in New Zealand, so I was like the CEO
then me running the brand. So I was number two
in the company going up there. But I was interested,
and when I went to go to the factories, I
loved it, seeing how the products were made and taking
photos and trying to talk to the people in the

(17:03):
four phrases of Mandarin that I can speak. But it's love.
I love China.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
I really did.

Speaker 9 (17:11):
I thought it was fascinating.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call Ian
you go, he goes. You can't just it with the zoom,
You've got to go over there. But also no pleasure,
no Walladay exactly.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
And he sounded like he had a good time playing
lions dice with some ladies in some of those bars,
and a bit of karaoke. But it is, you know,
a lot of it is about hosting the client right,
showing them a good time, having a good night out,
and that's how you cam bond.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Whether you go. This is what Marx is on nine
two nine two best work is done over saki shots
or saki that is yeah, in terms of alcohol, saki
ghost your head rapidly. Come on, guys, don't forget that
on a work trip you're working day and night. At
least you're not available on the night time to do
your own normal things. So you're working double the time.

(17:57):
You're flying, probably in the weekends, probably at night. Even
if you wanted to, didn't want to have a holiday
at the end of it, you deserve one. That's a
good point. When you are our away, you're away from
your family twenty four hours a day when you're there, Yeah,
and you know, you know the idea and that the
sort of joke that you know, you go to a
few meetings and then you rip it up. Well, a
lot of people that are back home go through a

(18:18):
few meetings at work and then rip it up at night.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Exactly. Oh e one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. How important are work trips in twenty
twenty five? Is it still something that you send your
employees out on a regular basis? And we'd love to
hear your work trips stories.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
So this sexer says, I would never let my husband
go on these so called work trips. I know exactly
what he'd get up to. Sounds like a healthy marriage.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Nineteen ninety two. It is the text number. It's twenty
six past one.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
Depiments the joints is tell me how you going to
have a wind farm?

Speaker 11 (18:52):
The wind farm was rejected under the previous government's fast
Train I know you're talking about it, right, So how
is it you.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Can't have a renewable facility under fast train? What do
you need to do well?

Speaker 11 (19:02):
First of all, that's under Parker's old fast track provisions.
That was insanely stupid. What we've got under our fast
track legislation. Our priority is on economic growth.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
But then you've got these issues. For example, a council
stopping the clock on building is one. How much resistance
are you facing from people who will use every mechanism
possible to stall you, slow you and run their own agenda.

Speaker 11 (19:22):
We're pretty clear right about it, which is that we're
facing a massive culture in New Zealand of no back.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Mayley's
Real Estate Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Good afternoon, twenty nine past one, and we're talking about
leisure trips, holidays.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
That's right, and generally around whether you need to go
on these trips where you can just zoom. Mate, if
you're going to Europe for a three day conference, of
course you're going to take a week afterwards. Your maupet
says this texture. Yeah, well, of course you'd want to,
You definitely want to. But does your work go Well,
they went to the three day concert, but they were
just trying to go to gay Powee when they That's

(19:58):
the whole that's the whole point of it. Yeah, I
mean I just did this last year, so I went
to a thing and then just state.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
On Yeah, you take advantage of a good week trip. Yeah, yeah,
good holiday.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
To be honest, I did no work. I can't have it.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
It was all the scam. That's what I'd see is
guys I would pay. I would downgrade rather the business
class flights, and then the company would pay for my
downtime and longest stay. That is a clever way to
do it. So if they're going to fly him business class,
say no, I don't worry about business. Just put me
in cattle and I'll take the extra cash and then
use it for holiday.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
After Hey, guys had a global conference I was meant
to attend in Wales that was moved online at the
start of COVID kept it on Wales time, but ninety
percent plus of the attendees were from the rest of
the world. It was a mess that some people just
didn't show because it was the middle of the night,
and others that did turn up wanted an alternative outcome

(20:48):
for them to the Zoom would immediately turn to a
discussion of what time was best for everyone, and nothing
would get done. Yeah, I mean I'm being a little
bit facetious around the Zoom call because it is a
soulless experience the Zoom call. You know, you're not going
to have a meeting with someone on Zoom and then
you know, get to know them around their family and
what their real wants and needs are. And if it's

(21:10):
a sales trip, it's pretty good to make an actual
personal connection with people. Yeah, as opposed to just what's
as I was saying, for what said in the hour
that you're on Zoom.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
With them, even in your own company, if your businesses
in different parts of New Zealand, the Zoom was. I mean,
it was the best on what we had, but it
was a terrible way to make connections. And I say
this as someone that was down in christ Church for
a long time just trying to make connections with people
I work with on a regular basis up here in Auckland.
It was nice enough, but you can't do the deep

(21:43):
dive into the bonding sessions via zoom, can you. It's
a very matter of fact cold way to have those
discussions rather than let's go and shoot down to the
pub and have a beer and talk it out.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Like when I was looking at getting you as my
assistant on the show, I flew down to christ Church
to see you face to face. Yeah, and I was
very disappointed. And I went back to management and I said, surely,
surely there's someone better, And they said no.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
You pot all the wines on there on the credit card,
And I think, yeah, good, keep that coming. Oh and
eighty is the number to call. We got headlines with
Rayling coming up. Then we'll take more of your phone calls.
Nine two ninety two is the text number. It's twenty
eight to two.

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Speaker 3 (23:48):
Thank you very much, ray Leena. We're talking about work trips.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
I'm blind way that that's a man that he put
his hand on, isn't it? That is what kind of
man complains about someone lightly touching their upper arm.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
There is more to come out of that story, surely.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, Whenever, wasn't the stick to the topic.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
We're going to fow that up the.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Topic, which is about work work trips. If you're going
to call these walladays or leisure trips, wouldn't drunk it
be more accurate? Isn't a drunken junket?

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, I'll give you that. I'll give you that.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah. I mean, this one says is Matt, are you
the leave police. You're entitled to use your leave whenever
you like? Basically cheers John, Yeah, John, absolutely you can
so if you I mean, this is the thing you
go on your trip overseas and then you add a
couple of weeks or a week on the end of it. Yeah,
But I'm just asking the question, do you need to
go at all And look, it's absolutely hypocritical because I've

(24:45):
done exactly this, and you know, and it's interesting here
because Caitlin laganan's consumer success manager at Jobs Marketplace Zeal,
said the ability to work remotely and blend business and
leisure travel was increasingly influencing job decisions. Job seekers are
looking for roles that allow them to integrate travel, remote
work and personal time seamlessly. I mean people are looking

(25:08):
for all of things, aren't they. Yeah, But I mean
that might be the reason why you take the job,
because there's a bit of travel absolutely, Yeah, you got
you got a conference in Europe. I'm going to go
and do a couple of other things on there. Yeah,
I get it.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
And I don't think we're knocking the employee here as
you say. You've done it plenty of times and rarely
rense the company for all it's worth in terms of
the work trips.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
But not this company.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, another company, another company, and they deserved it. But
if you're being offered one of these work trips, of
course you're going to take it, and of course you're
kind to try and extend it and add on an
extra couple of days But to the employers listening right now,
is it genuinely worth it to send your employees's way
to these work trips? Do you get new business out
of it? Is it better face to face of these

(25:48):
relationships that you cannot build online? One hundred and eighty
ten eighties and number to call keep any welcome to
the show.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
Ok.

Speaker 13 (25:58):
I went on this work trip to Subu and the
Philippines one day, one week, actually ten days, and I
think I was all I was looking forward to.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
It was all that when.

Speaker 13 (26:09):
Three g first came out and we're trying to introduce
three Gens in New Zealand and and it was all in.
It was all in Swedish.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
The whole conference was in Swedish, the whole the whole thing.

Speaker 13 (26:26):
Yeah, so but the whole conference was in Swedish. So
a couple of bossies and Kiwi boys. We spent ten
days on the beach.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
So how did you report back on that? Did you
go this is all Swedish to me, I'm not getting
anything out of this.

Speaker 13 (26:43):
We just we just collected the slide packs and yeah,
it was just all that big love and for the
Swedes from Erickson, and you know, I think it was
just an excuse to drink lots of snaps in the
in the evening. So we did. We did get some
good relationships in terms of the business development we're doing.
But yeah, looking but in general terms, we've been on

(27:05):
a lot of web trip overseas and I had tried
to you know, it's been to a country. I've never
been too much, China. I'll try and you know, tach
on a you know, like a week's are we holiday
to see the sites like the Great Walls that sort
of thing, something that's nothing that's aceptical. You know, you're
taking your own leave and you're spending your own Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Absolutely, And also I guess you are taking your own lead.
But if you're in the country that you've gone to,
you might learn something that you didn't just in the
meetings that you're having in the in the work part
of it, learn more about the country and the culture
that might help you do business there in future.

Speaker 13 (27:45):
Oh absolutely, And that was That's very true in terms
of understanding the Singapore and culture. And we were trying
to build three G networks and understanding how they work.
And you know, we're the English and the Key. We
were operating in a very Anglicized way and that wasn't
how they do things, so we you know, to be

(28:08):
sensitive to how they work.

Speaker 10 (28:10):
So that was really good.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well what have you got some examples of those those differences?

Speaker 9 (28:16):
Well they didn't.

Speaker 13 (28:16):
I don't think they. I think they were really scared
of making mistakes and losing faith. So have you know
have you done that report yet?

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (28:27):
And they adn't, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (28:29):
Right?

Speaker 14 (28:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (28:31):
And it was quite funny because one of the one
of the Chinese guys and the Erics in Singapore, he
got all these guys together and he said, I don't
know what's wrong with you guys. I think I'm losing
my marble. And the English guy said, what is it?

Speaker 5 (28:46):
The other one?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Do you?

Speaker 6 (28:49):
Did?

Speaker 9 (28:49):
You?

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah? I mean do you find that you know, you
talk about Australians, New Zealanders and the British. Can that
drinking culture be an advantage or is it a disadvantage?
And that you know, you end up just spending a
whole the of time with Australians and you kind of
know how they work as opposed to some of the
other you know, you know, people that you're trying to

(29:10):
do business with, they might not have that go to
a meeting, then meet for a drink and get absolutely
steamed and bond over that kind of culture.

Speaker 13 (29:19):
We acted pretty professionally the whole time. And because you've
got a job to do, and the Swedes and the
Fins from Nokia, we all we all got together actually,
and it's really good to learn about how the Finns
do things and how the Swedes do things. So I
think it was a great opportunity. Just yeah, and Chinese

(29:44):
singer friends were boys with us, and the Filipinos, so
we all we all went together really well as a team,
I feel.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah. And so clearly, you know, even though you had
ten days on the beach Tippanee, you got some value
out of that trip. Do you do you agree that
that face to face interaction is critical.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
It certainly is.

Speaker 13 (30:03):
In terms of back then before Skype and everything else
or team you know, you could you would talk to
these people on the phone and then when you finally
got to meet them, you could you know, steer them
in the eye and get the cut of the gibs,
so to speak. And yeah, so all absolutely it was important,

(30:24):
especially especially with the customers.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Mhm, yeah, Ti Beny, thank you very much mate, And
it sounds like you really enjoyed Philippines. What part of
Philippines by the way, sabooboo sounds lovely? Ten days off
the lovely Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 13 (30:45):
Pretty good. Just on the Aussi thing. I spent the
Air Force too. We go to Somalia wherever we went,
and there might be the US, the Brits, the Canadians
probably with an hour the Aussies and Kiwi's had morphs
together with a cricket bat and a rugby ball and so,
but so that a whole as the Kiwi's thing, that
anxact thing and the forces back in the day. I

(31:08):
don't know about now, but it was very tight.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, thanks so much. I guess with the whole thing.
And we're being a bit, you know, flipping around the
whole boozing thing. But you know, if you go over there,
you can totally derail what. You know, what you've done.
You know, you have a great meeting, you come across
pretty well, pretty professional, and then you go out for
a dinner afterwards and you just slam too many wines

(31:33):
and you start acting like a dickhead. You could unravel
absolutely everything you've done.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
It's a tightrope walk, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call love to hear whether you still seend employees out
on work trips or if you're someone that does work trips,
is it still of value? Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighties the number to call. Sixteen to two.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
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Speaker 4 (32:04):
Call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
News Talk said, be good afternoon, it is fourteen to
two and we're talking about word trips. Are they still
a value for your company?

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah? And leisure or holidays where you add on an
extra bit on a business trip. Adding an extra to
businesses or employment travel is pure fraud as it evades
fringe benefit taxes. Rob Well, I was just looking into that.
And this is around, to be fair, this is around
government departments civil servants in New Zealand and the Autito

(32:38):
General's Advice and Controlling Sensitive Expenditure urged public agencies to
consider technologily enabled solutions as opposed to travel. That was
the first thing you said, but also said as for
pleasure the Auto General advised staff members can go on
private travel before, during, or at the end of travel,
paid by their organization, provided there is no additional cost
to the organization and the private travel is only incidental

(33:01):
to the business purpose of the travel. Yeah, so I
think it's fine because you can take your holidays where
you want. So you just your organized to take the
holidays and you just tappen to be an I don't
know Morocco at the time, on a business strip. That's
where you have your holiday Henna.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, Well, just on the public sector agencies, and I
know that's been controversial and they've all been asked to
cut as much fat as they can, which is a
good thing. But on the cutting down on those work
trips for the public service sector, I think controversially. Controversially,
and this I'll get pushed back on this. I think
there was a mistake. I think it is important even

(33:35):
for public servants, sometimes particularly for public servants to go
on those face to face meetings, as we've seen with
the India trip, as we've seen with Winston Peters in
the US. Those are critical meetings and they've got a
big team behind them that goes along. So there's a
heck of a lot of conversations before those meetings states.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
What about those humiliating sister city junkets that people go on.
What about those? I mean some of them, some of them. Sure,
if they've got a direct outcome in terms of achieving
something back home, you know, an increase in productivity or
an efficiency or something that they just cannot get out
by watching a YouTube clip, then sure I get it.

(34:14):
This business is. We went on a TetraPak trip to
the hurricane, hooked up with a gaggle of door to
door vacuum sales cleaner salespersons for christ Church. That was
the best night of my life. Wow. A gaggle of
door to door vacuum cleaner salespersons from christ Church best
night of my life.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Wow? Yeah, I mean that sounds like a hell of
a night, A gaggle of them, so multiple guys. We
always prefer the work trip over the zoom meeting. Zoom
is a terrible way to increase culture within our company.
We always send our workers regularly between Auckland, Wellington and

(34:53):
christ Church, where our officers are based. It's incredibly important
they get there at least four times a year to
keep the culture alive and well within the company. Any
company that doesn't do that, I think are mugs.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I guarantee that you can cover a lot up on
a Zoom call that you can't cover up if someone
flies in and has a look around the whole office
and checks everything out and can ask any question of anyone,
because you just have to work out what's in front
of the camera. As long as what's in in front
of the camera is above board, then you know that's

(35:31):
very manageable. But once the boss flies in and has
a snuff around, Matt sounds your like your business trips
are just pissedtrips. How dare you? John? How do you
suggest that text I go overseas to visit suppliers and
see the latest technology products and demos. You cannot do
that on zoom? Cheers John. Yeah. I mean that's another
example of it, isn't it. So if you need to

(35:53):
see the products and demos and get your hands on them,
of course you have to go. You can't just have
someone holding it up to the camera going do you reckon?
This looks good?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Exactly? Cliff says, gentlemen, the reason for technology is to
remove all inefficiencies in the process. Humans are the weak
link in business. Henceforth, we will slowly be replaced with technology.
It is the way forward. Zoom all the way commercial.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
All right, okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number call.
We're going to wrap this up very shortly, but love
to hear from you. If you are an employer, do
you still prioritize sending your employees on work trips?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
This text ols is I would never send Matt on
a trip to do business from what he's disclosed about
his previous pass A wise man, Wise man, I'm a professional.

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Speaker 3 (36:57):
Be good afternoon, and we are talking about work trips.
And we'll wrap this up shortly. But some great texts
have come through.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Hey guys, great show as always, Thank you. I work
for a company They're head caught in Auckland with large
branches in Hamilton and Topor. I'm based in the Hamilton office,
but every Wednesday, I'm in one of Auckland or Topor
for a face to face caps up. They're essential for
maintaining team culture and connections. Thanks Peter. Yeah, I mean
I think that's I mean, I think that's it. That's

(37:25):
that's obvious. I mean I've been silly about the zoom calls.
Zoom calls, zoom meetings are life suck. They they're they're
a chore as as opposed to well, I mean, work
is a chore. I don't mean a chore, but they're
they're a box tack. They don't you don't move things
forward in a zoom call.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Doesn't add much, does it? But what about this too?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
You better just to send an email? You just better,
You're better, I mean you need to see each other's face.
Just have a phone call, send an email. There's no advantage.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Zoom suck.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Just someone sitting there steering at their own image. Pin
they're a picture of themselves, and check out how they look.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
With their crazy little backgrounds that they put in there.
This is an interesting text, Ghetto guys, great discussion, and
ordinarily I would agree with the value of the work trip. However,
in my previous place of employment, we all went on
a conference to the US. Drinks were had and there
was some inter office relationships had that shouldn't have been had.

(38:24):
When we got back to New Zealand, it all got
toxic and all came out and was terrible for the
culture in the workplace. I had to leave.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
So that is a work trip that has gone absolutely astray.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
That's too much booze. My previous role involved a lot
of overnight trips away. I never felt guilty when living
it up on the company. We used a lot of contractors.
We'd work after ours and got paid overnight allowances on
top of their salary salary. We never got paid any extra,
So why not maximized experience? That's true, It's what we're saying.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Before, Yeah, Matt.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
One trip to OZ, I asked if I could go
the night before. Okay, all set to go. No plane.
A new plane source from Australia. Fly to me Scott
eighty k drive, looking forward to nice meal and hotel.
I was too late, got a sandwich. Meetings focused on
a fatality, went on a little longer than expected. Pushed
to get to Mascot. Our flight was delayed due to

(39:19):
air con failure. Four hours later, flew out, got back
to Auckland at four am. Ninety minute hacbrod, best laid plans.
No fun there at all.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, that sounds like a terrible work trip that nothing
happened there. Yeah, very good. Thank you very much for
all your phone calls and texts on that one. Really
enjoyed that discussion. Right, coming up after two o'clock, let's
have a chat about the challenges that festivals are facing
at the moment. This is on the back of Juicy
Fest and time lest Summer. They have gone bankrupt and
it's a big question mark over whether those punters will

(39:49):
get their money back. But we'll have a chat to
Brent Equals as well about some changes potentially to the
ticketing system and some wider issues as well.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah, that's right. Where does your money go when you
buy a ticket?

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Oh, eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.
You're listening to matt and Tyler. Very very good afternoon
to you.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
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Speaker 4 (40:12):
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Speaker 1 (40:16):
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Speaker 3 (40:23):
Good afternoon, welcome back into the show seven pass to
hope you're having a great afternoon and thanks for listening
to us. As always, great to have your company. Right,
let's have a chat about festival failures. So there has
been a call for a shakeup in ticketing rules. This
is on the back of the cancelation of Juicy Fest
and Timeless Summer, and Brent Eckles, who is a very

(40:44):
well known concert promoter, sees the mess caused by those
cancelations prove current regulations miss the mark when it comes
to protecting punters.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yes, so when you buy tickets through a ticket agency
like ticket Theory in this case, then the money isn't
necessarily held, whereas if you go through Ticketmaster a ticket tech,
then the money is held and then pay it out
at the end to their promoter. Yeah, so if the
can if the concert doesn't go back, you can go

(41:15):
to a ticket master and get the ticket money back.
So you've got someone to go to.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah, there's protection there for the puns. Is easy, he says,
And that's what Brent equals always does.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, that's right. So the big the bigger promoters can
do that. But I guess the situation of if you're
a little little promoter and you're starting off, then you
need that money as it comes in to pay for everything,
don't you. So which is which is I guess a
terrifying right way to run the business. So you need
to be you know, booking things, renentering things, hiring things,
paying deposits on venues, you know, paying advances to bands,

(41:49):
booking airfares, exect your yeah, before the concert's on. So
a big we will took us brand echos out how
this works? And also one hundred and eighty ten eighty
if you've tried to put on it on a show,
how that's worked out for you, because it's a chicken
and egg situation. If you don't have the money to
put on the show, you need the ticket. You need

(42:09):
the money coming in for the tickets to run everything.
So unless you can put up everything at advance that
you need to put on the show, then you know,
what do you can do?

Speaker 5 (42:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:18):
And I'd really feel for people who are trying to
put on those smaller type festivals that as you say,
Brien Eckles, he's been in the game for a long time.
He's got the capital behind him. He's been very successful
and good on Brien Eagles, who will have a chat
to after two thirty. But for the smaller guys, they
just don't have the capital to do that, So that's
an added challenge for them to try and put on
any sort of festival or event, which we need. We

(42:40):
need more festivals and more events in New Zealand to
get people spending money to have, you know, some excitement
and height within the community. So love to hear from
you on this one at eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Have you tried to start a festival event?
There's just too many challenges and hurdles put in your
way and would something like this law change make it

(43:01):
even harder.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
I mean the other side of that though, is you
pay extra fees for places like Ticketmaster and been complaints
about complaints about booking fees and such. So when you
pay that though, you get some kind of security around it. Yeah,
because they're going to keep that money in a bank
for you. It's an interesting one because, as you say, Tyler,
we want to have these concerts and we want to

(43:23):
have the future promoters of the world coming up from
the bottom. Right, It can't just be all the big
dogs that are running it forever. You want that scummy
little metler from Gore who just risks it all and
rustles up to get some terrible Norwegian death metal band

(43:43):
over here to play and just makes a little bit
of money and then bulls his way up. We want
that as well, don't we.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
You'll HiPE me up. I want to go to that concept, right,
Give us a buzz i WIT one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call if you've tried
to set up or start a festival or event and
you've run into some challenges. We'd love to hear from you.
How hard is it just to run a festival in
New Zealand O W eight hundred and eighty ten eighties.
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Speaker 6 (44:21):
Say'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
It's thirteen past two and we're talking about festival protections
for the punters. There has been calls for the Lord
to be changed to require festival organizers to hold that
ticket money within a ticket company, if you will, right,
so they can't spend any of that ticket money on

(44:44):
the concert themselves in the event that it can't go ahead,
and the punters get all that cash back.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah right, And you know, obviously the big companies it's
sweet as for them, but the little ones are gonna struggle. Meken,
Have I got your name right?

Speaker 7 (44:59):
Kind of? Miken?

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Miken, Miken, Hey, welcome to the show. Miken. What a
great name. Where does the name Miken come from.

Speaker 7 (45:06):
It's the Danish name felt own Way. Nice to be
called Madge for short.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Wise, so you your thoughts on this, Miken.

Speaker 7 (45:20):
Well, my thoughts are because of running Fashion Week with
my mum for twenty years and we were in a
big company when we started. So everyone's going to start somewhere.
If you hold the ticket money, if there's a big
problem and you have to pay the ticket money back,
you don't generally have it, You've spent it. Where do
you get it from? So I disagree completely. You have

(45:40):
to hold that money and you have to find other
ways to pay your deposits up front, like sponsorship and
government and local government there's got to be other ways
around it, because it's just not safe for the punters.
But also it's a really scary feeling for the event organizers.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
So you're saying that you need to have basically a
pool of cash that's enough to get everything sorted to
the day of the event in advance.

Speaker 7 (46:04):
It's not everything. It's part payment, isn't it, Because well,
maybe things have changed since.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
COVID, But before COVID, you.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
Could pay a deposit and get the gig off the ground.
But don't I just look, I've had lots of experiences
with working with like payment companies and ticket companies that
let you use the money and somewhere down the track
it can be the problem. And it's always to get
the people who bought the tickets end up paying.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (46:36):
I've got some other examples. I don't want to talk
about it, but I just think I think it's as
an event organized it's quite scary to think that, well,
where do you find that money it's canceled because that's
not the kind of thing that insurance covers.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, right, And so have you seen this a bit
where people are just sort of doing a you know,
we'll build it and they will come situation and they're
just hoping the show goes off and then they're going
to pay all their bills backwards. Have you seen that
happen quite a bit?

Speaker 7 (47:04):
I don't. I would do sponsorship for events, and I
wouldn't want to work for an event that is using
that ticket money upfront.

Speaker 10 (47:12):
Interesting, it's it's not a same place to be.

Speaker 7 (47:14):
And also there's a lot of connections these days as
well as the ticketing with the payment agencies, and that
just adds a whole other layer of confusion and who's
responsible and who's doing refunds and what's going on. That
is not pleasant at all. And one of them is
lay By, which now doesn't exist. And they did a
lot of that with a lot of news events, and

(47:37):
they have put them all a lot of danger of
not succeeding. So, like I think there has to be
I mean, when you talk about Brent Eckles and he's
been doing it for ages and all that kind of stuff,
Well he's proven himself, but he probably say the same thing.
It's like, it's just there's no security in using that
money out front, even if one of your acts cancels,
Like do you what do they do with that. What's

(47:59):
great to have a full of money.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Yeah, it's great to chant you Mike. And so just
rowing back to setting up events in general, do you
think it's harder than it needs to be in New Zealand?
Because when you mentioned there that you've got to find
other ways to get that money through sponsorship or counsel
or government. But what I hear anecdotally, you know, on
the headlines and the media, is that that money is
not forthcoming. It's incredibly hard and there's all these challenges

(48:22):
to even try and set up an event or a festival.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
Have you found that it was awesome?

Speaker 7 (48:29):
You've got it, did a lot of at least a
couple of year work due diligence before you go into
up your event. You've got to put a lot of
effort into making a work. I mean, Fashion Week didn't
happen overnight. My mum worked on it for like three
or four years beforehand, going to government, going to all
sorts of places to get steed funding. You only need
one sponsor to get a gig off the ground. If
they believe in you and that on that journey and

(48:51):
you can work together, it's going to get the right
people on place. It's just it's not Hey, look, everything's hard,
the hard COVID and they're all more expensive, you know,
but it's terrible if you've got if you've got it.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Is it a thing with events where it's kind kind
of you.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
Know, a boom or bust.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
So you'll have one that goes really really well and
then the other one goes really really badly. And if
you're running a business across the time, it evens out
and you make a profit.

Speaker 7 (49:20):
I don't know hardly any people that make money out
of events projects, to be honest, But you know, it
depends where you're coming from. It, Like it is harder
now because everything is more expensive and everyone is more
nervous and they are more rules. But I think if
you've got the right propositions that people want to go to,

(49:42):
then it's boom. And then how you promote it. There's
so many different facets, and I think if you can
get all of them right and get get your tickets
sold and get things done properly, and that's or event
that we bad weather to have a bad year. But
if you're solding your ticket, you're still going to get
coming at the end, you know, if you're sign them
on the door, well you probably won't because it's leaning.

(50:03):
So it depends how you do it and how you
deal with you know, and there's that many people who
do events super well, but they're rocking it.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Do you think there is there's truth in the statement, Mike,
and that for the likes of the Juicy Fest and
the Timeless Summer ticket holders, they've been burnt by this,
very unlikely they'll get their ticket money back. Do you
think there's truth that that they will now not buy
another concert ticket? They'll be There'll be a good percentage
of those ticket holders that will be so burnt by
this that that is their festival days done for a

(50:34):
we will.

Speaker 7 (50:36):
I don't know why we are asking the question why
are these ticket companies allowed to do this? So why
aren't they getting the blame. I don't feel like there's
too much owners going back on the events. And I
can see these bigger ticket companies are more expensive. But
that's why we went with them as well, because we
wanted to advertise them. We wanted to be looked outter.
We wanted the assurance that the money, if anything goes wrong,
they deal with it, you know. So I think we

(50:58):
need to be looking more at the ticket companies and going, well,
why are they allowed to do that? Yeah, you know,
like there's and not put everything back onto events.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Oh might have just you know yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (51:12):
I mean it's like I feel sorry for these people,
but it's the ticket companies that are responsible the events
are trying to their best thing and thought, Okay, that's
the best deal. We'll go with that, not thinking that
it's going to fall over. Yes, they will be affected,
they'll be pressed. I don't want to go and yeah,
it's a scene.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah, but is there are the fees? Are the fees
for this, for this you know, safety net of the
money being stored somewhere not already being spent, Are the
fees and the booking fhees considerably more for the lights
of ticketmaster?

Speaker 7 (51:44):
Yeah yeah, but what you get is more is you've
got to do that's for the mean, you've got to
you know, just you know, I just do not read
that ticket money should be spent before the gig has happened.
It's just as rubbish.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Here's a question. Here's a question. It's bad men. Yeah,
here's a question sort of outside of the topic, but
is putting on something like fashion week or a concert
or events, the most nerve making business in the entire world,
with the most variables coming down on you. That can
upset what's going.

Speaker 7 (52:14):
On to put it to be. I mean I've found
it up in twenty years like Groundhog Year. Yeah, it's
not about the industry. And I was like, do you
think that pass coming from and how you want to

(52:34):
do it and why you do it? And I'm grateful
for the journey that I went on of learning and
being proud of it, but ever going to that my
own event, I want to I want to do aside
and be helpful with my skills because it's really stressful.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
Yeah, it's super stressful. It's horrible.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Well, thank you so much for your call and thank
you for your insights. What a great call, I mean,
especially doing an outside concert in New Zealand. Oh yeah,
like not you know something that's you know, open to
our weather. Yeah, terrifying, terrifying, water.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Stress involved. Yeah. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to court. If you are part of setting
up a festival or event. We'd love to hear from
you about the hurdles that you face and how you
feel about this idea of a law change to ensure
that the ticket money is held by the ticket company
and you have to use other funds to try and
pay your artists and to set up logistics and all

(53:28):
the rest of it. Would that make sense or would
that make things harder?

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Yeah? Well, I like what she said to just be
spending the money as it comes in as just rude.
That's just rude.

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Speaker 3 (54:50):
Turn your Mike on Tyler twenty five past two, and
we're talking about setting up festivals in New Zealand and
also the call for a law change to ensure that
ticket money is held by the ticketing company and not
a cent of that is spent on the event itself
in case if the event doesn't go ahead, then you
get your money back.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Michelle says, Mike is right. Miken was her name? Actually Meghan?
Were we saying a name wrong in the hotel? Mike
is right? Or Meghan or Miken? It is the ticket
company's responsibility to the money. It shouldn't be released until
the event has happened. That's from Michelle. Yeah, let's go
to Paul. You want to talk about small promoters.

Speaker 10 (55:32):
Yeah, mate, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 15 (55:34):
I'm part of a certain blues club in the North
Island and we have for some years now put on
a blues festival in Rotaua on an annual basis. COVID
obviously knocked a whole lot of things over, as we're
all well aware, but there was actually a government fund

(55:58):
called the Thermal Explorer Fund which they set up to
sort of kickstart festivals and events and things like that.
And where's the Bay of Plenty Blues Club got. I
got in on the ground floor for that. There were
obviously a lot of people trying to apply. We were
successful and it was certainly enough funding for us to

(56:23):
set things up and have everything in place, but it
was a sliding scale sort of situation where first year
you got x amount, second year that went down, and
a third year that went down. Because the idea, of
course is that your event should be able to stand
on its own two feet. And for the first couple
of years or everything was great, and then we ended

(56:44):
up postponing last year's festival simply because the ticket sales
went there. But what we do is we put the
money aside so that you don't end up in this
situation where the people who spent money on the tickets
are the losers. Yeah, we did that on purpose so
that we could say, sorry, we're postponing the event, but

(57:07):
here's your money back. And because the last thing you
want to do is live a foul taste in anyone's mouth.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
So so, Paul, you're putting your putting You're not using
it through a ticketing company putting aside, you're actually putting
it aside yourself.

Speaker 15 (57:20):
No, we were using a ticketing company and they would
pay us out on a regular basis, and we put
the money aside ourselves simply for that reason. No, we don't.
We're not going to We're not going to spend ticket
you know, people's ticket money on setting up the event.
And you know, for last year's one, which we had

(57:41):
to postpone, we had already paid paid a deposit for
our headline acts and we just had to wear that.
But better than using the punter's money, because I will
never come back if you do that. If you do that,
you don't are you?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Is this the New Zealand Blues and Barbecue Festival?

Speaker 11 (57:59):
Is that that's the one, the one, yeah yeah.

Speaker 15 (58:04):
And what are you the one?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Are you back this year?

Speaker 5 (58:06):
Well? Are yeah?

Speaker 15 (58:07):
Yeah, We're we're back in the throes of it and
our major launch was social media and whatnot is coming
up or in the next week, I think, and we'll
do the same as what we did last year. Any
ticket money will be held in trust and God. But
we can't put it on again this year, I hope not.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You do you have to make increased profits from this year?
Is to pay for having to cancel last year's.

Speaker 15 (58:38):
No, no, it's well you could say that year. I mean,
it wasn't like it broke us, all right, because we
manage this very very carefully. But it would be nice
to get some of that money back if we could.
But at the end of the day, our main motivation
is because we're all a bunch of music lovers, rightly

(58:59):
or wrongly, and we just think that good music should
be available to the public, you know, So that's really
that's really the whole reason we do.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
So this is this is a kind of a different
kind of situation here, Paul. You're not looking to get
rich off this. You just think it's something that should exist,
and that's why you're putting all that work into it.

Speaker 15 (59:17):
Yeah, we know we're not going to get rich off it,
but but what we what we what? What the aim
was right from the from the word go was if
we can use any profits from this year's festival to
carry on to next year's festival. We just keep reinvesting
it and rolling it over. You see, none of none

(59:38):
of us make any money out of it. It's all
done for love. After a musician, what that is, they
will tell you. Yeah, yeah, it is for the love
of it, and it takes up about ten months of
our lives every year.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 15 (59:52):
But things you do, things you do.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
So you were in there because you know you've got
the big marquees for the bands to play over. So
is it is it? Are you right in there, you know,
putting things up and setting things up and putting the
stages together and such.

Speaker 15 (01:00:06):
Anything we do, anything that needs to be done to
get the show on, we do.

Speaker 16 (01:00:10):
So.

Speaker 15 (01:00:11):
Yeah, we are running around doing all those sort of
all those sort of tasks. Obviously the professionals do come
in and put the stage up for scaffolding and all
of that. But for example, the first year when you
run it under the New Zealand Barbecue and Blues festival model.
We realized that the stage was nothing to do with
the supplies, but for what we're wanting to do with

(01:00:33):
band changes and whatnot, where we're to modify the stage.
So I think of the second to last hour running up,
we're under the hammer and nails and all sorts of
things like that. Yeah, and then the whole thing goes
off the weekends crazy. You get to the end of
it and you go, wow, that was awesome. Every year
I say this was the last year I'm doing it.

(01:00:55):
Then it happens and you go, well, that was awesome.
Next year we should and before you know it, you're
into it again.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Paul, when's the big Whin's the big announcement and launch
for this year's.

Speaker 15 (01:01:05):
Next end of the next week and we're looking at
end of November and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Were can people find you for that?

Speaker 15 (01:01:13):
BP Blues dot co, dot m Z and also on
our Facebook and all that sort of thing, all the
usual places.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Oh brilliant. Thanks so much for calling, Paul, and good
luck with that.

Speaker 15 (01:01:23):
Good on you, Thank you very much. But I support
the law change. I think money ticket money should be
held in trust. Yeah, that's really the point.

Speaker 6 (01:01:31):
Yeh, good on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Your Paul all the best mate, and hopefully we'll catch
up a little bit closer to that event. He's the
best of us, isn't it. I mean, thank god for
people like Paul digging into sitting up those sort of festivals.
And there's both Paul and Mike and have said the
stress levels when trying to set that up and things
outside of your control. Take my head off to you.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Thank you very much, Ray lean Well joining us on
the line equals entertainment co founder Brent equals to discuss
the potential law change when it comes to festivals and
the money that they hold for tickets. Brent, very good
afternoon to you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
Good, How are you going?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Very good? Thanks Brent. So just to get to the
just to just put this in a solid question to start. So,
when a concert festival pro uses a company like ticket Master,
what happens with the money as it comes in from
the punters buying the tickets?

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
Oh, you buy a ticket. The money is passes to
the ticket and the ticket that holds that money until
the show has played and then it releases that money
to the promoter or the venue will both.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
And so I'm assuming when it's a company, I think
we're talking about one called ticket Ferry. There's probably some
others they have a different model whereas the money comes in,
it just goes to the promoter.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
Well, they take their piece out of it, they're booking
fees probably and pass it on to the promoter. Yes,
that's correct, and so so sorry you continue, Well, your
hope that the promoter was cashed up enough to be
able to repay the money. If it is, the show
is canceled.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
And so obviously you run a solid establishment equals entertainment.
You've been going for a very long time, and you
would propose legislation that how would that affect if there
was legislation that came in that basically said you have
to do it that way? Would it have to be
sorry you go.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
The only effect would be that the promoter that the
punter is protected and if things go wrong, and they
do go wrong, they go wrong for me as well.
But you know that the money, the ticket money goes
straight back to the ticket buyer as the very first
thing you do if a show is canceled, and then
deal with the consequences yourself, because that's your business you're running.

(01:05:16):
So that's no change. The punter wouldn't notice any different
but to be a structural change in the background.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
So but they have to always go with one of
these established companies or could they just prove that they're
keeping the money themselves and appall somewhere else and a
bank account somewhere else and not touching it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Well you say a bank account, I mean you know
it should already be held in trust, so no one
can touch it, even they can't touch it until the
show is run, but goes in the trust or something similar.
But there are many companies, ticketing companies in New Zealand
that do keep the money and don't pass it on
to the promoter, lots of them.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Is it unique to us print or how does it
work over in Australia. Obviously you've done festivals and events
and gigs over there. Have they got title laws?

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
I think they have a voluntary code of conduct that
a lot of the major players, not the major promoters
and ticketers they are here too. We don't quite have
that here yet. You know, our businesses, well, it's small
in comparison and there are less players, so we really
need help from the government to legislate and to protect

(01:06:26):
the punters and help the business. The thing is, there's
so much money going through these ticketers now that it
really is a potential problem that's just waiting, waiting in
the wings to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Again, is it a checking an egg thing?

Speaker 7 (01:06:38):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Whereas if you're a concert and you're trying to put
it on, don't you need the money that's coming in
from the tickets to pay the deposits and be it
fears for them?

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
Well, this is why it goes wrong, that's the very point. Yeah,
you know, and you have to have money to start
a business, any business, and you know, if you want
to be a promoter, you better have a fair whack
of money as a reserve because things do go wrong
and you shouldn't be assuming that it take a b

(01:07:08):
as a partner with you when you get when you're
going air concert, they're not as ticket buyers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
So but but Brent, a lot of promoters would have
would have got where they are today through running a
massive hail Mary of a concert and just fly your
seat to the pants and pulling pulling it off.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
Right, Yes, I think, so good luck to them, good
luck to them, But I just don't work that way.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
So yeah, but so, but if we got a juicy fest,
which which is sort of the topic that's brought the stuff,
But they didn't go down because of ticket sales. They
went down because they couldn't get their alcohol lights. And
this might not be exactly what we're talking about, but
I saw an excellent Facebook post from you talking about
how difficult events are and how different they are being
treated when it comes to alcohol licensing compared to say

(01:07:56):
a bar and a restaurant. What are the differences there?

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
Oh, it's a horror show. I mean they limit you
to the amount. Well, you know, okay, if you need
to go to a green Field, there's not a normal venue.
You need to get those special license and to apply
for a special license, they can shut you down all
over the park. Often they limit you to two drinks
per person, or they'll cut you down to one drink

(01:08:21):
during the show, or no drinks. They have this power
over you. But if you have something like Eaten Park
or Mount Smart there's an on license. They tend to
work with an existing license that's more flexible. But right
across the country there's no consistency, so promoted promoters don't
really know what's going to happen when when they're applying
for a special license, and it makes it very difficult.

(01:08:45):
It's as if the powers that be behind it or
are trying to stop New Zealanders drinking my take on it,
and to me, that's very non key with the keeping
is like they have a drink, and if you don't
want a drink, don't. But if you do, why can't
you buy four drinks at once and give three to
your mates? I mean it kind of makes it almost

(01:09:07):
makes it feel feel a bit wrong to we're buying alcohol.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Yeah, what do you what do you think concerts? So
if you say, and it does appear that they have
some kind of ideological opposition to alcohol. If that's the case,
why why do they Why do they target concerts and
festivals as opposed.

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
To good point, that's a very good point, because they
think that it's a great source of alcohol harm. Now
I just I just don't agree. I mean, you know
you could buy on your weight, okay, on your way
to the gig, you can stop at a pub and
buy as many drinks as as you wanted to have
any drinks as you want to stand And now I'm
going to say anything, but you know you can only

(01:09:45):
when you go to a concert, which has a lot
of people to look after and monitor alcohol, you're going
to buy two drinks at once. It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Do you think that the people that you have to
go to to get your license and sorted that they
want concerts to go ahead? Do you think that they?
Or is that is it a let's see if we
can get this done. We're going to make it work
for you. You what are your need because we want concerts?
Or is there a culture that of let's find a
problem just to make this hard.

Speaker 5 (01:10:17):
Well, well, the people they're often called the try agencies
of alcohol harm and health and police figures, but it
would appear that they don't like the fact that this
alcoholic concerts. That's how it appears, and it also appears
they're not responsible to counsel. They're responsible to a minister,

(01:10:38):
and the minister doesn't seem too keen to be talking
to them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Are you getting any movement in this area, Brent, because
obviously you're pushing this and it seems.

Speaker 5 (01:10:48):
Well maybe after this I will, yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Hopefully, but I'm just going to say, you know, you
the stuff we're doing it the founders of Electric ev
Laane Way, I mean, every single organizer of major festivals.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
So what happens?

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
You know, if you keep getting this sort of behavior
from these alcohol committees, then you're just going to shut
up shop and not have festivals here right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
Well, it's just makes it really unpalatable. And the thing
about what I care about with ticketing, money, alcohol all
stuff is the punter. Why can't I go to a
concert and buy a few beers for me and a mate.
They won't let me at a concert even though it's
highly monitored. It just seems like it's it's Keev's like
to have a drink and to try and talk us

(01:11:29):
into something else. I think it was just wrong And.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
It's a strange thing, isn't it. Because you're beholden so
keewis do want a drink? And concerts need to be
able to sell drinks to stay in business. So if
we want concerts and festivals, then we're going to have
to have some drinks, is I mean? Look, the sober
concert is a very quiet consonant another reason. So do
you think just the people that are choosing to and

(01:11:54):
are getting into the positions that make this decision are
anti alcohol chicken licking? Well that as opposed to you know,
people from the industry like you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
You know, Look, I think I don't know what drives them.
I already don't, But think about this, what's happened. What's
happened with personal responsibility? If I go to a concert
and have so many drinks, I will fall over? Whose fault?
Is that?

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Your my fault?

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
But they would say, no, it's the promoter's fault because
they let them get to that situation. Yeah, and they
could even be you know, the person's sold in the
drinks security that they could all be in the firing line.
I think it's just wrong. I think personal responsibility is
where it's at. And if you try and legislate and
make rules for people in every sense, you're going to

(01:12:43):
fail because you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah, well, no, no, I agree one hundred percent. And
what annoys me is the people that are trying to
build things and put things on and make things happen
are the people that get absolutely put through the ringer
to the point where they're pulling out their here to
get past these people that are putting up barriers that

(01:13:06):
aren't in line with the thinking of of the people
that they're supposed to be working for. That that's yeah, no, no,
you go.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
They seem to be tasked to stop people drinking. You're
not going to do that. It's not going to happen, and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
We don't want to stop another news brand. It's twenty
years since we made the excellent album Brown Sabbath Together
that you produced. Have you listened to that lately?

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
I hand it on the other Nation's a very good record.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
It's Buddy it is.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
He is as a classic. Yeah, there are so many
good songs on that album. It's just the hit after
hit after hit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
It's a great album. You've got some powerful song sounds
out of the Lab recording studio. Anyway, thank you so
much time, Brent.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Good to chair, Brent good phone. Guys, go well that
iss equals entertainment co found that brand equals but we're
going to pick up on that because he's not wrong.
There is this weird dichotomy between bars and restaurants and
clubs versus festivals that this is massive pushback at the

(01:14:09):
moment for any alcohol Electric IV had it, Lane Way
had it, the constants that Brent wants to organize has it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
It's crazy and there's a bunch of people that want
to save us from ourselves when we are the people
and maybe we don't want to be saved.

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Style and design have it all Youth Talks said, be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
It is ten to three afternoon peat.

Speaker 17 (01:14:44):
Yeah. I agree. They should be in a trust I reckon,
But you know you you want to go to the event,
you want to see it, and if they can't come
up the front up for money to organize it, well
they shouldn't be in the game. Because once again, there's
so many cowboys out there will have a go at
it and ruin. It's for the ones who have spent
their hard earn money to enjoy their money for that event.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Yeah, you're yours. I get that, and I totally agree.
But most people that have become big promoters have had
a big hail Mary at the start of their career
to get the capitol where they're where they've done it.
You know, we'll build it, and you build it and
they will come. So like it's dodgy, but as you say, cowboys,
but I guarantee most of them have had that one

(01:15:28):
that got them started.

Speaker 17 (01:15:30):
Yeah, but I think you know it's up to the end.
They get some sort of insurance or something. Sure, if
they work hard and they them enough stones, I think
they can still have the venue somehow. They've got to
try the harder tour and just taking the or the
easy option. I think ye doesn't doesn't work tough. You know,
I think it's the wrong attitude.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Have you ever been burnt beat.

Speaker 12 (01:15:54):
On?

Speaker 17 (01:15:54):
Conscious?

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:15:55):
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
No, not like that.

Speaker 17 (01:15:57):
Even used to get those tickets and wasn't goose go
go ones where they used to call it those. Yeah,
and I'm lucky I flopped it, you know, so No,
it's so far. I have not been a lot of
concerts so far had not been burned in a concert,
and I don't hope they don't get burned either.

Speaker 7 (01:16:13):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, Pete.

Speaker 11 (01:16:16):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
It's not that we don't want to be saved. It's
that ninety percent of us don't need to be saved
to stop taking away our personal choices. Yeah, that's actually
a better way to put it. Yeah, but it does
seem that the people that are making these decisions around licensing,
around festivals and events seem to be coming from the
opinion that alcohol is bad and the less it can

(01:16:39):
be used the better, which I don't think is really
their remit at all. I think they've got the around
the wrong way. They should be just trying to help
things to happen and remove hurdles, you know, remove hurdles
from things that get people together and help people that
build things. It's very easy to say no and to
be scared and to be judgmental, very very easy to

(01:17:02):
do that, and then what happens is Brent Eckles says,
you have these concerts that are people taking a risk
and putting things on and trying to entertain people, they
get slammed. Meanwhile, you can go to the bottle store
and buy ten one, one, two fives of gin if
you want, exactly and take them home.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Doesn't make sense, and that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Bottlestore is not doing anything. Yeah, then that bottlestore is
not doing anything building anything, you know?

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Yep, exactly. Hey, now just quickly before we play some messages.
A lot of techs coming through about and earthquake and Viicago.
So according to g O neet just came through a
magnitude six point nine that hit at two forty three pm.
So hopefully everyone's all good down that way.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Yeah, people feeling it in Dunedin as well. Yeah, so
few point ninete big oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty nineteen nine two tell us what's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Yep? It is seven to three.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo xc N eighty Innovation,
Style and Design, have it all Us Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
dB News Talks dB. It is four to three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
I agree and disagree with you, guests. I have a
lot to do with loquer licensing applications through local councils.
It doesn't matter what type of look a license it
is be at Barza events. The current culture of council's
Health and police is to cancel. They will delay and
object to nearly every application put in front of them,
anti alcohol, anti fun, anti business, anti New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Thank you for that text. But why why do they
want to say no to everything?

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Well, well, it's the same thing as transport agencies that
don't want people in cars. It's not really for them
to decide how we get around. It's just to make
it happen. Yeah, it's not to decide how we want
to spend our time and what we want to drink.
That's just uff up to them to make it happen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Insane, right, Thank you very much for that. Really enjoyed
that discussion. Coming up News Sport and whether you're listening
to Matt and Tyler, hope you have in a great afternoon.
We'll see you on the other.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Side talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and
Taylor Adams Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety News Talks.

Speaker 6 (01:19:03):
They'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Welcome back into the show. So as you hear in
the news with Raylena. Very deep six point nine magnitude
quakers rattled the country south at about quarter to three.
The shake centered one hundred and forty kilometers southwest of
tu Atarparti in Southland, at a depth of one hundred kilometers,
so GEO neet rather has classed it is a strong earthquake.

(01:19:26):
We had a truckload of texts come through.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Yeah, as far north as Dunedin. Yeah, I was talking
about this this shake. So did you feel it? Nine
two nine two or eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
loved them hear from here. We're getting varying reports, some
people saying it's nothing, some people saying it was something.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Yeah, So get on the blower and if you felt it,
we'd love to hear from you on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. But in the meantime, let's have a
chat about twenty three and me and sites similar to
twenty three and meters. It has gone bankrupt. It was
one of the major at home testing companies in which
you know the drill you're send through your DNA to

(01:20:02):
this particular company, it puts it into its data and
tells you a little bit about your lineage.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
And what a lot of people didn't know is that
some of that data was being made available for companies,
Pharma circle companies to do little bits of experiments, and
not experiments, but to have a look at trends across society.
And I mean when you say didn't know about it,
I mean when you signed up that that was in
the conditions. But the thing about twenty three and Me,

(01:20:30):
it was not that great a business model because you
only need to do it once. It's not a recurring thing.
You know, great businesses you go through the drive through
once a week, but you drive through, find out what
your you know, your ancestry was, and then you've done
it once and that's out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Yeah, not too many repeat customers. But we want to
hear from you. I mean, one, have you sent information
to twenty three and me? And are you a bit
worried now that it's gone bankrupt? What's going to happen
to your information?

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. But also if
you've sent your DNA to any of these types of companies.
Ancestry dot com is another major one. There's about half
a dozen out there that would be considered major company.
If you've sent DNA to these companies, what have you
found out? Because there's been some incredible stories that have
come to the forefront of people that have tried to
figure out a bit about their lineage, what their makeup

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is made up of, and done a bit of extra
digging into who their family members were in distant past.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
What's interesting is that a family might have a story
of what they are and where they came from and
what's happened, but that story isn't always true, And like
I'll share a story later about my ancestry and how
it was very different when actually looked into and look,
there's no reason not to believe that twenty three and
me or the one that my sister used to look

(01:21:50):
into it, you know that they know more than just
some rubbish made up by potential criminals in your family past.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Yeah, oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call if you have given a bit of
a DNA sample to one of these companies. What did
you find out and did it make you do a
little bit more digging? Love to hear from you nine
two nine too. If you want to send a text message,
it is ten past three afternoon, thirteen past three, and

(01:22:17):
we're talking about sites like twenty three and me. It
has gone bankrupt, but there's half a dozen other sites
similar to that. Ancestry dot com is another major one
where you know the drill. You send your DNA into
these companies and they can tell you a little bit
about your lineage and your ancestry.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
It is interesting with the selling of that. You know
it's gone bankrupt, but you know they need to make
the most money they can get out of it, and
they say that data privacy is an important consideration. But
there is some talk that pharmaceutical companies might also be
interested in buying a portion of twenty three a meters
revenues so they can look at the company's data that

(01:22:53):
they've collected from fifteen million people's genetic makeup to design
new drugs, which is an interesting upshot of the situation.
But you can delete your data, You can ask for
it to be deleted and thrown out because you spit
in the thing and send it off, don't you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Yeah, how would you feel about that?

Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
That?

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
If they're using your DNA for the good of what
they say is science or the progress of science. I
think I'd be okay with that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
I wouldn't care. My DNA's everywhere. It's all over the shop,
it's all over this room.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
if you have sent your DNA to the likes of
ancestry dot com. Love to hear what you've found out,
and just got a message here, getay, guys. Nathan Wallace,
well know and neuro educator. He discovered who his father
was by ancestry dot com and met him two weeks
before he passed away.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
That's an incredible story.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Isn't it. Yeah, that was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Yeah, Ray, how are you this afternoon? Very good? And
what did you find out through ancestry dot com?

Speaker 10 (01:23:57):
Well? I found Well, firstly, I got contacted by a
guy claiming he was my brother's son and he had
done this DNA, and I came back that he was
my brother's son. And then he in his DNA and
found that he had a half brother of a part
of the South Island, and then they contacted me. So

(01:24:22):
I just found two nephews one two I didn't even
know I had, and also missing Nissa I hadn't seen
for forty six years.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Wow, how cool? And so with what's what's the situation
with your brother?

Speaker 10 (01:24:37):
Oh, he passed away forty years ago?

Speaker 16 (01:24:39):
Oh okay, yeah, yep, and he went for a bit
of a horrible divorce and they took off, and she
she must have been pregnant when she took off.

Speaker 10 (01:24:50):
That's why we didn't know he was born.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
So did he know he not know anything about this
this son at all?

Speaker 10 (01:25:00):
Oh, I'm not too sure. I don't believe so. I
don't believe so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
And so how was that first meeting up with this
new nephew.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:25:09):
Do you know that program that they do on TV
where they find people?

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Yeah, I always cry and they find the people beautiful.

Speaker 10 (01:25:16):
I was so nervous. I took my dog.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
And how did your dog take it?

Speaker 10 (01:25:22):
Actually took it?

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Well, the dog was crying as well.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:25:26):
And if you've had a couple of we've had a
couple of trips. Now I've headed him up here and
I'm actually going down down south to see them for
ten days at Easter.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
And what do you think it's meant for him to find,
you know, reconnects that side of his family.

Speaker 10 (01:25:41):
Well, I mean he's finally gets tough because he knows
he's missed out on outside of the family. Yeah, I
mean his grandfather or grandmother, and yeah, so's he's a
bit annoyed with that. And yeah, and so he's got
a different name, so his kids have got a different name,
so it's not really taken on our Yeah, our name.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
How old is he now? Right? He sicks forty six?
Did you say there's plenty of time for him to Yeah.
There's plenty of people that have their families and just
left them, let them drift away in their thirties and forties,
So if he can reconnect now and then, then that's

(01:26:26):
a fantastic thing.

Speaker 10 (01:26:28):
Yeah. Yeah, we're thrilled.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
That's a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
And and seeing as you lost your brother, is that
is and that must be a great connection for you
back to him.

Speaker 10 (01:26:40):
Yeah, I've lost him from suicide. So talking to my
nephews like talking to my brother, and I brought that back.

Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
It's cool, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Well, thank you so much for sharing your story. Ray
really appreciate it. No, love your show, guys, Thanks and
all the best with your two new nephews.

Speaker 10 (01:26:59):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Yeah, Well that is money well spined, doesn't it. I
mean that's a pretty incredible story.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
What's that show called again?

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
And what's the guy that hosted?

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
He is great.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Oh, he's done a couple of similar shows.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
And missing pieces.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Yeah, and there's another one. Yeah, and that that stuff
will Yeah. That that show hits you right in the heart.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Yea, punches you right in the heart. Not many dry
eyes after watching that the meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Yeah, Sharon, you did a DNA test.

Speaker 10 (01:27:32):
I did.

Speaker 14 (01:27:33):
Yeah. I did a DNA test about four years ago
and found out some information about my father's parentage because
he found out he was adopted when he got married.
Couldn't find out who it was because no one would talk.
He found out eventually who his mother was, but we
still didn't know who his father was. So when the

(01:27:54):
DNA tests became available, I did one and I found
that he had a brother that lived about a kilometer
away from him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Wow.

Speaker 14 (01:28:04):
And he had two other brothers in Central Otago, and
a sister, perf and another sister that had died, and
I think there was a couple of others that had
died in the family. It's quite incredible really, And he's
having his ninetieth birthday on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
As he reached out to all these people and connections.

Speaker 14 (01:28:26):
Yeah, absolutely fantastic, and it's been just an amazing experience
and something you know, fear and he sees it that
I that I've given him a gift of his family
that he longed for. He was adopted into a family
that we thought were random people. Turns out they were
distant relatives.

Speaker 7 (01:28:46):
Of his father.

Speaker 14 (01:28:48):
There's a lot of secrets that you find credible.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
And so they were relevant relatives of the father and
that had been organized. They weren't just coincidentally.

Speaker 14 (01:28:58):
Yeah, we will need to believe that it was a
random person adopted him. But then we found out through
the DNA testing and also in getting in contact with
one of his brothers who had done a bit of
research into the family. And yeah, the family he was
adopted into had a relative of theirs that married a

(01:29:20):
relative of his actual brothers. So yeah, there was a
complex and people don't talk like from back in the
nineteen thirty five dad was born. People just don't talk,
so you know, but now they would never have imagined,
like DNA tests, they've taken all these secrets for their

(01:29:42):
grade and.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Now it was coming and did the members of the
family have any idea that your father existed.

Speaker 14 (01:29:51):
No, No, not at all. And I had that come
up from a girdle and I knew his father. I
found out his father's name through a contact through during
the DNA tisting, and she told me his father's name.
I had no idea because I knew he was dead,
but but I had no idea how to sort of
go from there. And then because when you're on the

(01:30:13):
when you have the ancestry the DNA matching, it comes
up with matches and it gives you a score. And
I got a score from this girl, and it said
that I could potentially be a third cousin and that
she had the same surname as I knew dad's father's
name was. So I reached out to her to enter
a message and she said, I'll get my uncle to
give you a ring. Will He rang me that night,

(01:30:36):
and yeah, we were in contact with them straight away,
and just incredible. There's quite a few really strange things
and normally sort of come up that are so comming
through the family, Like my son's name is the same
name that's been taken through the family that we didn't
even know existed. Wow, So do.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
They do they connect you up? With your potential family
members or you've got to do that digging so you
get the information back and then you can do a
bit more digging and go from there.

Speaker 14 (01:31:07):
Well you get you get school was so people will
come up that they're a match with you, that they'll
be scored. So with my potential third cousin, which turned
out to be a first cousin, the score was about
one hundred and eighty. But my on my mother's side,
I had a score with her sister who had a

(01:31:27):
DNA test before she died, and it was about six fifty.
So and she was my auntie, so I kind of thought, oh, well, yeah,
maybe she is my third cousin. But then when I
locked into it, because we've only got one grandparent in common,
the score was very low because there's not the same
the DNA's dire looted. But yeah, she was definitely my

(01:31:48):
first cousin. So and she I don't know. I've never
been able to really talk to her much because she
lives in Perth, but I don't know what her motivation
was for doing the DNA test. But yeah, I've spent
quite a bit of time with one of dad's brothers
and they've all called in to see them, and really
lovely people, just thrilled about it, but really bemused about

(01:32:11):
what happened, how they kept it a secret, and why
they kept it a secret. And yeah, because there's quite
a bit older than his I think his one of
his brothers might be in his late seventies, but yeah,
dad's turning nineties this week, so he's a good ten
years older than them. But yeh know, it's very exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
To get my head around it and part of my ignorance.
So do you both sides have to be in the
system for the match to come up? Do they both
have to have gone to the same.

Speaker 14 (01:32:44):
Company, so you just need one other? Yeah, I guess
with the DNA you have to have had it done
through the ancestry to be on their system and they
so it'll pop up with someone who has a match
with my DNA, so they've got some of my DNA,
and it'll give you a score on how close that matches,
so you get a bit of an idea of how
closely related they are. And it's really up to you

(01:33:06):
can send them a message on the portal, so you
can still be not completely anonymous, but it can still
be removed from being harassed or anything like that. It's
quite it's quite a sort of a gentle procedure. The
other thing that they do is they give you a
score on your own ancestry and where your blood lines
come from. So it tells you told me how much

(01:33:29):
Scottish blood I had, how much Swedish blood I had,
and how much Eastern European blood, and so it gives
you out of one hundred, it gives you your percentages,
and as they improve the technology, they will change those
percentages as time goes on because they'll refine it. So
it is a really good service. But I can tell

(01:33:50):
you what, there'll be a lot of people that will
be shaking.

Speaker 18 (01:33:54):
A lot of secrets out there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
And thank you so much for sharing with us, Sharon.
But just one last question. How long ago did this happen?
So you say that your dad's turning ninety this week,
it's his.

Speaker 14 (01:34:06):
Birthday, My teaste about four or five years ago. But
it was about probably roughly two years ago that we
discovered that he had brothers that lived not fast from him,
and that was really neat and so we sort of
tried to accelerate it as much as we could because
Dad was getting older and we wanted Dad to understand

(01:34:27):
who they were, which he still does. He's still able
to converse with them and talk about things, and they've
been able to tell him things about his father, which
I think was something that I see to him, did
you ever think about you know your father or you
know who it was, and did you ever think you
might want to know more about him? And he said,

(01:34:48):
I used to think about it, but we used to.
I just used to push it aside because I didn't
think it would ever happen. So that's really nice. And
he keeps saying, oh, you have no idea what you've done.
It's just you know, it's just incredible. But though we
did a bit of a pilgrimage down south, my husband
and I last year. We discovered that actually some really
good friends of ours are actually related to it for hell,

(01:35:11):
through this distant relation. But we've got a pilgrimage down
south and found the gravestones of my grandparents, great grandparents
and great great grandparents, so that was really interesting and
photos and I was able to go back and go
through it with dead and show them, you know, the
headstones with all the names and there on. It so
that was really nice. So yeah, it's it's a bit

(01:35:31):
of closure.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Yeah, yeah, well, good on you, Sharon, thanks for telling
us all that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
Yeah, and gift for a dad at ninety as well.
It wasn't a little bit before.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
That isn't interesting how quickly we forget So you know,
you know your grandparents, but how many people know their
great grandparents?

Speaker 5 (01:35:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
And then how many people know anything at all about
their great great grandparents? And yet they're they're so significant,
their decisions that they made in life are so you know,
determine where you are and what you're like, and you
know what your what your family's got up to. But
we just great great grandparents, you wouldn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
Yeah, it spot on. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number of called more of your stories
very shortly. It is twenty seven past.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Three Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on US Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
News Talks EDB and we're talking about the likes of
ancestry dot com twenty three and me it's on the
back of twenty three and me unfortunately going bankrupt. But
for the people listening out there who have sent in
their DNA. There are some incredible stories coming out when
you were given a bit of a heads up on
your lineage and who family members could have been.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Yes, so we're talking about this come up because twenty
three and me is in liquidation. Guys, I'd be nervous
having my DNA out there with no idea who can
access at that's from Craig because that's kind of the
concerns because a company could buy it. But if you
delete your twenty three and me account, the company will
destroy all personal data associated with you, including genetic data.
You can download your raw genetic data from the company's

(01:37:02):
website beforehand. You can separately ask for your sample to
be deleted alongside with the leading your account or separate.
Privacy advocates have called for users to let their data
amid the companies falling sheer pass and growing speculation about
its future. And you know there's some interest from you know,
pharmaceutical companies to buy all that information that they have
at twenty three and me. And if you're wondering why

(01:37:24):
that company was because of this ancestry is another company,
but you're wondering why that country is called company is
called twenty three in me. It's because of the twenty
three peers of chromosomes in a human cell, So twenty
three in me.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
That makes sense. I on one hundred and eighty. Ten
eighty is the number to call. We're going to get
to some calls shortly, but we're a bit late for
the headlines. But a couple of tips to the headlines, guys.
I had a call one night from a guy claiming
to be my cousin, trying to find out who his
dad was. He never knew his dad wasn't his dad
until he did this test. I couldn't tell him his
mum and his father met after a night out. The

(01:37:57):
guy thought his adopted dad was his biological dad all
his life. Heartbreaking but important information to learn later on.
Is it well, mate, Well, some.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
People don't, because that's that's the other question. Do you
need to know? It's great if you reconnect with people,
But I don't know. Is it to something's just something's
just best left? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
I thought, yeah, I don't know either. But if you
do love to hear from you. It is twenty nine
to four.

Speaker 12 (01:38:31):
You talk, said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's
no trouble with a blue bubble. The Emergency Management Agency
is assessing whether a six point seven magnitude earthquake west
of Stuart Island thirty three kilometers deep has created a
tsunami risk. It says no land threat is expected. Almost

(01:38:52):
five thousand people reported felling the shake. Fresh explosive activity
has been recorded at FACRDI, White Island, with evidence ballistic
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(01:39:13):
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(01:39:36):
well not much. A new study says. You can read
more at z at Herald Premium. Now back to Matti
than Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Thank you very much, ray Lean, and we're asking what
have you found out via your DNA on the back
of twenty three in me declaring bankruptcy. But there is
half a dozen or so major DNA companies out there
like ancestry dot Com, and a lot of people have
found out some pretty incredible things about their lineage.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
If you found out about your lineage at twenty three
in me, you might want to get in there and
delete it, yeah, before they sell it off to some
pharmaceutic coming. And if you're in my case, you wouldn't care.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
I mean, your DNA's everywhere. What does it matter?

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
What does it matter? Although I might share a story
about sort of a slightly dodgy part of my ancestry
that was found out when we did a bit of
a DNA test that shock everything to the core.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
Oh this is going to be good, Phil. How are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
Not too bad things? Tyler? Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
I'm good mate? Nice to chat as always?

Speaker 18 (01:40:35):
Oh yes, yes, yes, good one? You remember me?

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Yep? Absolutely mate? Now are you did you do one
of these tests? Did you?

Speaker 10 (01:40:44):
No?

Speaker 18 (01:40:44):
But before I get on to the points, I'll quickly
say that I've got a little amusing story to end
it with as well, which I think you boys are like.
But I yeah, some good stories coming through some good
size of it, and I can understand also the fellow
that said that it was mixed feelings for the person
because he'd missed and out sort of thing on what
he missed out and too, as well as the joy

(01:41:06):
of discovering the new relatives and things like that. I
don't think i'd had much problem like you, Tyler for
information with sharp, because I think you don't have to
worry if you've done something bad or you're a criminal,
or possibly somebody mentioned you. I don't know, but I
think i'd be a cantle. But I have got a kit.
I have got an ancestry kit that's been sitting at

(01:41:27):
home here for about three years that I haven't done
anything with you, but I do plan to because I
want to sort of look it up for my lineage.
That's the right word, because my grandfather was from Northern
Ireland and my grandmother was from Glasgow. But I've got
what I've always assumed as an English name, and I
don't know much about my grandfather and my grandmother's history,

(01:41:50):
so I don't know much about where our family came
from or how we came to come to New Zealand.
So I want to do it for that, but I'm
not worried about what I find out. If there's a
bit of skulldugery, I'm looking forward to Matt's story. You know,
there's some skullduggery or some criminals in there or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
I'm not judging it's going to be good.

Speaker 18 (01:42:09):
Yeah, so the wee story is, I'll quickly get the
wee story. Like I've got a Scottish mate who was
born in Scotland and he married an English girl who
was born in Liverpool, and they sent away through the
ancestry dot Com to get the testing done and when
the results came back, and always have him warn about this,
the results came back and it turned out that his
English wife had more Scottish DNA and her background than

(01:42:32):
he did, and he was born in Scotland. Yeah, so
I always have mine about that. I always say, well
you were more for you were more bloody English than you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
That'll be hard for a scott to face. Yeah, the
rabbit hatred of the English, the scottsfield.

Speaker 18 (01:42:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I always have want. But he's
good though, he laughs about it. We played golf and
he sees the funny sory. But yeah, I like having
and mine about that William Wallace one all that sort
of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
You're a good man film. Thank you very much. Uh
quick couple of tix here, guys. I did ancestry. It
was one hundred percent acurate to what my mum had said.
I then went and saw my great great grandmother's headstone
grave in Simon Street. She passed away in eighteen fifty seven.
Then I went to Jersey Island in Saint Hellier and

(01:43:21):
was able to look at the eighteen fifty six census
and saw who her parents were married to, that they
were farmers, and where they lived, and where parents were
married in Saint Clement Parish, Jersey Island, and all family
graves on both sides of the family.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
What a journey. Anita found it all out.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
Great story.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Wow, I'm in convenience. Simon Street graveyard. I will pass
that every day. I'll stop it and say, loo to
your what is it headstone of your great great grandmother's headstone. Yeah,
text through the name, and I'll go and have a
flower at it my way home.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Well as I was reading that, when and then I
went and saw my great great grandmother. I had in
my head that her great great great grandmother was still alive.
Thought she's doing well, very well.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Great story. Thanks Anita.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
Oh e one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. We're back very shortly. It is twenty wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Four Mattie Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety
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Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
And a commitment to company news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
The'd be afternoon eighteen to four, and we've been talking
about what have you found out after doing one of
these ancestry type teats on the back of twenty three
and me it's now bankrupt. So if you've got your
DNA with that particular company, you might want to do
something about it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
Yeah, you might, you might not care.

Speaker 18 (01:44:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
I don't think you're ever going to do a situation
where they approach you and you know, directly market to you.
That would be terrible if they sold the they sold
the DNA, and then suddenly you get marketed by a
pharmaceutical company that's found out exactly what's wrong with you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
That's a Black Marie episode that could happen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
It wouldn't be too bad if they gave you a
ring and see it. Actually you've got anyone, it doesn't matter. Hey,
So I just a little story from my family, So
I'm going to tell too many details. But it was
a bit of an investigation into DNA, and for the
longest time we had always been told that we were French,
part French in our ancestry. Nice, and I thought that
explained because I've got reasonably olive skin. I'd always go

(01:45:20):
around going, oh, but would say, why have you got
such Other white people say why have you got such
beautiful olive skin. A lot of ladies would say that
to me. Beautiful skin, that'd say, and I'd say, well,
it's Mediterranean. You know, we're probably from the French River
era or something, so yeah, yeah, Mediterranean coast. But then
what happened when there was an investigation. It turned out
that I'm Irish and the Irish ancestors had come to

(01:45:45):
New Zealand and when they arrived just grabbed a French
name because it seemed class here and they wanted to
sell some furniture. So you could do that, just drive
in New Zealand claim that your French start selling furniture
did very well, and so there was no French in
there at all. It was just it was just some
clever Irish people back in the day.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
Your ancestors were clever.

Speaker 5 (01:46:04):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Yeah, it doesn't still doesn't explain when I get my.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
You look at a lovely, my beautiful skinful that beef
yellow Ronda, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (01:46:16):
Really good things. I've got a story to tell. First
of all, I just want to say that I thoroughly
enjoy listen to you both every days.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Thank you, you're doing a good job.

Speaker 19 (01:46:35):
Yeah. When I was very small, my mother used to
say to me, you look Mongolian because I got two brothers.
They were born with blonde hair and blue eyes. I
was born with dark eyes and dark here and mom
used to always say, you look like a Mongolian child,
you know, But she didn't know anything else about it. Anyhow.

(01:46:59):
A couple of years ago decided to have a DNA
tist and what they discovered was there, I've got ancestries
in Northern Ireland and belt person in Scotland and England
and Wales. At one point I percent it from Mongolia,

(01:47:22):
right wow, And I thought, wow, oh my gosh, my mother,
you tell me I look like a Mongolian. But I
never knew anything about it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
Probably related to Gingis Khan.

Speaker 19 (01:47:36):
Oh, I don't know. Somewhere along the line, somebody's been
mugging around.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
Do you ever find yourself just riding into villages and
burning them to the ground and then riding off rondo. Yeah,
that comes from you great great great granddad Jingis Khan.

Speaker 19 (01:47:56):
Yes, yeah, something like that. You never know, ye Is.
My grandfather was a Presbyterian minister in Ireland, and my
great grandfather was a farmer, and grandmother was a teacher
in Ireland, and and my on my dad's side, they

(01:48:17):
were home guards, you know, like looking out, you know,
but like police, right, So.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
What did the homeguard do?

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Were they like police before the bobbies?

Speaker 16 (01:48:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:48:29):
Yeah, yeah they were, and look how yeah yeah yeah,
so they did that and then my my uncles followed
soon and became a policeman. So interesting. But my dad
was a rebo and just started to be a marine engineer,
so that diverted that idea. But I just thought i'd

(01:48:51):
see that story.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Thank you so much for that, and copped its great
to talk to an ancestor of Ginghis Khan, A great man.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
One hundred eighty eight the number call. There's some great
teachs coming through on nine to ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
This is this is sort of a black mirror type situation.
This Texas says, the risk with your DNA is they
sell it to medical insurance companies. Then they up or
cancel your insurance because the medical risk they decide that
your a DNA showed. I mean, there's no suggesting that
there could ever happen with twenty three and me and
you can get it your DNA deleted and they've said

(01:49:28):
that they will do no direct marketing with it. But
that is the ultimate. You suddenly get to ring up
and say, hey, your insurance has just gone up. What
I had twenty three and me teld us that you've
got problems with your DNA.

Speaker 3 (01:49:38):
You wouldn't put it past them, Nick, how are you?

Speaker 5 (01:49:43):
Yeah? Good?

Speaker 10 (01:49:44):
Thanks. It's really interesting topic and one that's very close
to my heart. It's sort of been very much interested
in ancestry for many, many years and the ancestry dot
com has been my go to place as well as
social media and as far as my parents are concerned.
Pretty easy to sort of go back in time and

(01:50:05):
find relations and similar for my father in law, my
mother in law Kiewi mother in law unfortunately more difficult.
She was adopted as a baby in nineteen forty one,
and while she reconnected with her birth mother in sort
of late eighties, she never sort of was able to
sort of reconnect with her father, but knew his name,

(01:50:28):
so a little bit of digging sort of managed to
sort of find some relations in South Auckland. But I
sort of stood back for about three years because it
was always sort of a little bit apprehensive about how
to make that call or how to make that contact,
until we found out that my mother in law was

(01:50:49):
Urmelly Ill and one for her wishes was to see
a photograph of her father. So made the call and
after a few backwards and forwards, my wife and my
mother in law caught up with what transpired to be
her half brother and two half sisters. They had some

(01:51:11):
photos ready of her father or their father, which they
passed over, so she was delighted. And during that discussion
half brother said, oh, and of course you know the
family background, to which my mother in law said, no,
I'm not sure what you're talking about, and they said, well,

(01:51:34):
we're great great grand I'm never sure how any great
it is, but great great grandchildren of potato to fed
or fedl so that that was something that sort of
blew her mind. But yeah, lot long story shorts. There's
sort of heaps of things that we sort of did
a DNA check and confirmed that everything was as it
as it seemed. And my mother in law passed away

(01:51:57):
unfortunately about eighteen months ago, but having seen her father.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
So that's really that, mate, that's a really cool story.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
Yeah, it's a beautiful, a beautiful have to give you
a mother in law.

Speaker 10 (01:52:10):
Yes, and her half brother came to a funeral and
wrote a poem and that's sealed the deal.

Speaker 5 (01:52:17):
So does be few There.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Have been a few few tears at that point. Yes,
that would be powerful moment and reading that past. Yeah, well,
thank you so much for your calling. Nick, really appreciate it.
What a story.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
Yeah, thank you very much. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. It is ten
to four Back in a mow.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
everything in between. Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo
XC ninety attention to detail and a commitment to comfort.

Speaker 6 (01:52:49):
News Dog EDB News Dogs EDB Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
It is seven to four.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Hey boys, the Home Guard were like soldiers who couldn't
make the medical grade to fight overseas. They monitor the
coastline and protected defensive establishments. And good to know, thank
you for real good Jamie.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
How are you?

Speaker 20 (01:53:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:53:09):
Yeah, good good?

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
And what did you find out through one of these
ance history websites?

Speaker 20 (01:53:15):
So, I mean it's nothing called did I found out anything?
It's more I discovered So it's a bit of backstory.
I found out when I was about eighteen that I
was the result of some confoolery between my mother and
someone down the road. And then about twenty years later,

(01:53:39):
so one late thirties, now did a did an ancestry
dot contest and allow and behold, so I had my
biological father and that showed up as a as a
hundred percent match of being that guy. Yep, and reached out,
reached out a little bit and yeah, managed to get

(01:54:02):
a hold of him, get spoken on the phone a
few times, and then had a few weeks were actually
meeting up for the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Wow, wow, how good. How surprised? We see when you
first talked to.

Speaker 20 (01:54:15):
Him, he was very surprised because he, as far as
he knew, I did not exist.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Yeah, that that little trust hadn't created anything, Sagan. Sorry,
So he thought that the trust he had or hadn't
created anything, but it had created you.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:54:33):
Wow, Yes, yes he knew I did as a person,
but he didn't know why I was his.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Right, I see? Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
And whereabouts are you're going to meet up Jamie? Is
it out a pub or what's the plan?

Speaker 20 (01:54:45):
I probably should be No, No, we're going to meet
it out in the open somewhere in the middle of
the day.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
All right, Well, good luck with it, Jamie.

Speaker 3 (01:54:53):
That's a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
Get back to us and tell us how it goes,
will you.

Speaker 17 (01:54:56):
Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Yeah, all right, good luck with that, Jamie. Thank you
so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
Yeah, thank you, Jamie. A couple of texts before we
have got to shoot off. Yeah, guys, my husband has
the most beautiful skin tone and that after doing a
DNA test, found out that he had got it from
Mediterranean lineage. It was a nice surprise for him. So

(01:55:21):
that's a nice text.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
My kids are donat eggs from my sister, so when
they do their DNA, I show as their auntie. Kind
of sucks though everyone knows and it's cooled and I'm grateful,
but it still kind of sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
Guys. My Irish dad had a touch of Spanish and
his DNA, and my Irish mom had Viking. My sister
got the Spanish blood, and I have the blue eyed,
blonde fairskin Viking jeans.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
All right, tall as well, hope, so ever, enjoy yourself pillaging.
Yes there you're walking home one day and you see
a monastery, you burn it.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
Down, telltale sign Viking Viking blood.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
That is asked for today being a great show, So
thank you very much, and thank you for everyone who
text and phoned on that topic. That was a doozy.
We could have done that for four hours.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Then the kid that was very interesting, and sorry that
we didn't get to you a text. There were thousands
that came through on nine to two. So anyway, yes,
see you tomorrow AVO for another edition of Matt and
Tyler Afternoons. And if you missed anything today then our
podcast will be up very soon.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
See you then.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
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