Full Show Podcast: 27 March 2025

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Hello, you, gret your sellers, and welcome to Matt and
Tyler Full Show, Podcast number ninety six. A huge show today.
We go deep into running a lot of stories there
and there was something else we talked about.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Oh, we started off talking about anger, but then I
think we came to the conclusion don't let it get
to you.

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Oh, take a breath.

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So that actually got really philosophical. That was a really
really interesting chat about anger in the world and are
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great event. Right onto today's show. After three o'clock, what
is the best pub in New Zealand. It's on the
back of the Gastro Pub Awards that were held overnight
and the supreme winner, according to the Gastro Pub Awards

(02:38):
is the Fat Duck Gastro Pub in tiar Now sounds
like a great pub, but we want to broad on
it out a little bit and asked you the question
what is your favorite pub and what makes a great
pub in New Zealand? That is after three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, it does look like a good pub. And the
fat duck that makes me hungry, you know, great. I
think that's that's important for a gestro pub. Yep, that
its name makes you want to go along and eat
a fat.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Duck, nice juicy, plump duck. Yeah, that is after three o'clock.
After two o'clock is running a good way to exercise?
On the back of an article that somewhat upset you met,
Oh no.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's just talking about the walk run method and so
you run a bit, you walk a bit, and just
for me, I've always thought that a running is a
great form of fitness because there very little effort to it.
Well there's a lot of effort to it, but there's
a very little setup. You basically put your running shoes
on and you're out the door and you're on for
a run. You know, that's that's that's great that that
fitness is available for you. But there's a lot of

(03:37):
people that say running is bad for you. You know,
there's that injuries come through. You know, people say you
don't really lose that much weight from running. But there's
no doubt that it's it's great for your for you know,
cardiovascular kind of situation, great for your great for your fitness.
But this whole article is talking about the walk run.
So you run for a bit, you walk for a bit.

(03:57):
I think that's weak myself personally, I wouldn't say to
someone if I'd run ten k's and I'd walk five
of them, that I'd run ten k's. I don't think
that's a run, that's a run. Walk. Good on you
if that's your former fitness. And I like to go
for a nature walk. Big fan of going for a walk.
Yeah it's great, but that's not a run. Just be
honest with yourself. Yeah, but is it good? Good fitness

(04:18):
is running good fitness and some tips that you've got
if you want to get into running, about about stopping
those those injuries and how you build up to the
longer distances.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, that is after two, So looking forward to your
calls on running after two o'clock. But right now, let's
have a chat about our anger levels out there in society.
It's on the back of two stories we spotted yesterday.
So the first one was road workers abused and threatened.
One in four road workers is verbally abused by motorists

(04:47):
on a daily basis, and one in three says it's
clearly taking a toll on their overall mental health. That
was a survey by n ZTA. The survey also found
one in five is thinking about looking for another job
because of the ongoing abuse at a time of record
road repairs and when workers are badly needed in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, I think it's unfair to be yelling at road
workers because the poored decisions around our road are being
made by people many times above their pay grade. It's
not their fault they're on the road. But I always
wonder about this because we hear a lot about people's
mental health because they're being yelled at. But you can't
expect the world not to abuse you. That's going to happen.
You can't be protected from people saying nasty stuff to you.

(05:27):
That's just going to happen. Do we need to teach
people that they need to be resilient and that they
need to Is it better to learn how to deal
with abuse as opposed to run away from it? If
you know what I'm saying. So, if you've got a
job that you enjoy, but you're getting yelled at on
the road, people that are yelling at you bad people,
but don't let them chase you away from the job

(05:49):
that you potentially love. Just learn how to deal with abuse.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I think there's something in that you can only control
your own emotions, right, You can't control what these nutcases
are going to do. So if there's some idiot who
wants to yell at a road worker that is on them,
there's nothing you can really do to change that. You
might yell back, but then have you lost it? Not
the argument, but you've lost the battle at that point

(06:14):
that you've engaged in anger as well.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I just don't think we can clean the world completely
of abuse. If you want to go out into the
world and walk around and never get abused or insulted,
then good luck. Better to make yourself resilient to abuse
so you can follow your dreams and do what you
need to do. There will always be people saying, lastly stuff,
look this person, how annoying. Every time at the top
of the hour a song is cut because the ads

(06:37):
this is very annoying bad radio. So that's I mean,
you can ask thisself the question. You know that it's
the abuse. The dichotomy you go is what they're saying true,
and then you can't feel insulted by it. You can
just thank of them for the information. If it's not true,
it's just a lot of rubbish and you might as
well ignore it. And I love that, So you either
take it on board or you ignore it.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, but how do you rise above? Because I generally
think that it's still pretty tense out there, and people
feel just a bit grumpier and a bit angrier. It's
like a contagion. It's really hard to rise above.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
It.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Mentioned to you the other day that when I jump
in my car and I'm pretty happy about life, and
then a couple of things happen to me. Someone cuts
me off, or they swerve into my lane, or they
do something dicky, and I've got to really try to
just lower my own temperature to think's okay, it's okay,
don't buy into it, but it's kind It's it's hard

(07:31):
not to.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
So do you believe we live in angrier times?

Speaker 3 (07:35):
It feels like it. It does feel like it.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh, one hundred and eighty teen eighty Do we live
in angrier times? And if so, why why are people
so angry? Because it does seem to me that people
are angrier? But is it just that we're seeing more
angry because we see them on social media, we see
it in the news, we see more of it. So
if there's anyone angry anywhere in the country, then it
will suddenly be in our faces, on our phones, blaring

(07:57):
at us. And then you go, oh, that people are
angry everywhere. Although these road workers would say, you know,
one in four of them is getting abused, you know,
getting twenty five percent.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
The stat there one in four workers verbally abused on
a daily basis twenty five percent being abused, okay, every day.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
So I guess there's two questions. Are we getting angrier,
and is it up to us to just be able
to deal with being, you know, for the good of
our own mental health, finding ways to be resilient to
the abuse.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call love to hear your thoughts on this one.
It is fourteen past one.

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Speaker 3 (08:51):
Good afternoon seventeen past one. Are we angrier out there?
Or do we just need to do a little bit
better in dealing with it in the right way? I wait,
one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
some great teas coming through on nine two ninety two.
This one's here more angry or just less tolerant to
what was always there?

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I mean, what's the difference? Well, yeah, are people more angry?
Is there more things to be angry about? I guess
the question is because I mean, objectively, in New Zealand,
isn't a place where as much to be angry about
compared to a lot of places in the world. You know,
we're not being marched off to prisons for our political beliefs,
thank god. You know, we're not being shot out on

(09:32):
the street. I mean the anger we get at a
parking water. You know, imagine if your country was invaded. Yeah,
you know, imagine the anger of that. Imagine being in
France in World War two.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
That would put things into perspective absolutely.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
I mean, on the historical scale of things, we don't
have much to be angry about, but people still seem
to be getting angry. Jason, welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
Your thoughts, Hey, askingoon guys, So I don't know whether
we're getting angrier per se. I work on the fore
court at the international and domestic airport and we're doing
it for five or sixty years.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Now a hot of stress.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Yes, So over.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
Those five six years it's stayed pretty consistent. And one
thing I have learned is resilient. As you guys say,
it's the escalating situations, and it's also recognizing that those
angry people are like the five percent like of the
people we deal with and try and get moving and
flowing through quite happy, you know, to understand why we're

(10:34):
doing it, and then you get those five percent that
are angry, and when you're new to it, it can
really kind of brak you up and get that adrenaline rushing.
But over time you realize that they're the ones not
to worry about. As I think you were saying, you know,
it says more about them than you, and you basically
just have to move on and yeah, learn some resilience.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yes, I mean it's easy to say that, but in
practice you manage to pull that off. Just someone's been
completely unreasonable and angry at you, and you know it's
not your fault. You know it's because they haven't done
the right thing, they're late, whatever the reason has. Can
you do you find it possible to move on to
and treat the next person with a big smile.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
Never one hundred percent, But over the years, and I said,
that little adrenaline rush you get when you're in a
confrontation that's by sort of flight kind of mode has
got less, you know, like that moment afterwards that it
sticks around has gradually got less and less, and I'm
able to stay calmer or recoup my calm a lot quicker.
So that resilience does build up. And I think it's
just repetition. It really gave me a kind of glimpse

(11:37):
into the life of a cop who has to deal
with making people do a lot more difficult things than
I ever will.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, do you get toward any of those skills, Jason
or that's just something that you kind of have to
teach yourself after repetition.

Speaker 6 (11:53):
It's like, we have courses that we do through the
airport on a pretty regular basis that helps you deal
with situations and confrontations, but it's really when you're out
there just doing it that it really kind of settlers in,
I think. And it's not a job for everyone, right,
Like some people are better and have more resilience on it,

(12:14):
and some of them are worse. Like I've had probably,
as I said, there's that five percent, and then there's
the one percent that you learn not to push. I
have been chased a couple of times over my time,
just people that just absolutely lose it. Now it takes
the youth.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
At an airport.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
At an airport, it's it's crazy, but you know one percent,
And that's that's another skill you learn, is there's certain
people that you just get a feeling for and you
just leave alone the airport even has said, you know,
if you can move on ninety eight percent of the people,
we're happy, Like, have you get that one cent? Just
call into the monitoring people and let them know that

(12:54):
there's a situation and they take it from there with
the police. And our job is really to kind of
you know, you know, advise if something's going wrong, not
to take it into our own control for our own safety.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
So have you been taught so you're saying you've got
taught life to say something like I guess I'm sorry,
but that that we were unable to do that or
whatever the ligne to de escalate a situation.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
Yeah, pretty much. Just you know, we go in basically
at the at the fore court. It's not somewhere you're
ever meant to sit. As most airports in the world,
I believe, you know, it's something that has to keep
moving to the security issues and just flowing for the traffic,
and yeah, we will go and just explain to them.
You know, it's all about information up front and you
know what it's expected on the fore court and most

(13:41):
people are good then, but it's the people when you
come back after five minutes and say, hey, look it's
time to move on that, they tend to get a
little angry, and as I said, it's more just comes
with experience than the type of person.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
Some people you know.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
Are just you know, a little bit of a bully
and just trying to see if they can get away
with it, and you just need to push a little
bit harder saying what I'm really sorry, but you know,
we've tried to convince much lee where we can, and
you do need to move on. And just about everyone
moves on. Not be happy about it, but they'll do it.
And the ones that just start swearing at you or
go to say, you know, I'm gonna if you don't

(14:16):
leave me alone, the ones we just back off and
just let the upper ups and the monitoring know and
they can get security or someone to come if they
even want to deal with it, because to be honest,
even with those people, it's not worth getting security down
there because you just leave them low. Ten minutes later
they are gone. Yeah, and if the airport's happy with that,
as long as you know, there isn't a whole queue

(14:38):
of people sitting up. It's ninety percent of people it's
aill sitting there. It's an issue. It's five percent it's
still flowing. So yeah, it's just something that you just
get a feeling for body language and people's you know, temperament,
and some people it's just easier to leave alone.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
I think if you call Jason, so he's saying over
the last five years he hasn't noticed people getting angry,
and that he deals with there's some people that are
and some people that aren't.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
And he's right at the forefront and that particular job.
Thank you very much, Jason. One hundred and eight eighty
is the number to call. Love to hear your thoughts.
Are we angrier out there? Or are we just worse
at dealing with it?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Love to hear As Texas says, we might be angrier
than during World War Two because there are many things
that can now tick us off as life is more
complicated and stressful, so some people reach a breaking point
and snap. I don't know. I think life was probably
pretty stressful in World War two concur but then you know,
if you're living under Blitz circumstances, you know, and the

(15:39):
keep calm and carry on Blitz kind of approach, that
was a big thing, you know, that was a big
thing hang over you that you were going to have
to take yourself and your family if you hadn't got
your kids out of town underground. Yeah, for the bombing,
it's just an example of something probably would make you know,
little traffic and fractions during the day seem less.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
That is high levels of stress. Yeah, absolutely, Oh it
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Speaker 3 (16:49):
Good afternoon to you, and we've asked the question, are
we a bit angry at there at the moments on
the back of a couple of stories we saw. One
was roadwork has been abused on a daily basis. Twenty
five percent one and four say that was the case
and it's taken a toll on their mental health. The
other one was the bodycam trial for parking wardens, which
showed quite a ridiculous amount of abuse, even for parking wardens,

(17:11):
and we know they do get abused pretty regularly.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
And they're sort of a received understanding at the moment
that we live in stressful times, that it's more stressful
than other times. But I would question that. I think
there's been some very stressful times. I mean, just look
up the year five thirty six for example, that was
pretty stressful time.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
I would argue that we live in less stressful times
than in the past, but we are more annoyed by
little things. I think we're addicted to luxury and when weerever,
we're you know, impeded at all. We can't handle it.
We want things to happen instantly. We're used to things
happening absolutely instantly. Also, our you know, attention span is plummeting.

(17:53):
You know, later studies are putting our attention span at
forty seconds, so that makes it harder for you to
queue to the if you if you're blocked by someone,
you know.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Is it that? I mean we talked about what do
they call it when you don't have any music, when
you go for a run, when you take yourself fully
offline so you don't have any sort of distractions going
raw dogging raw dogging, which is incredibly hard for a
lot of people to do. But is that part of it?
Do you think that we've just we've always bombarded with

(18:23):
information and excitement and things going on that we don't
have time to distress it.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
With someone say that people try meditation to de stress,
and someone pointed out, you know, for the most of
history of humanity, meditation was just something you had to
do because there was nothing going on.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
It's a botom killer.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
You're in your you're in your thoughts. Hey, guys, I
think angers stem from frustration. Everything every day in this
country feels like it's out to slow you down. Through
all agencies, everything takes so long to do. No one
has money. It's a setup for angst towards everything. Cheers.
Thanks for your text.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, thank you very much, Robin. How are you this afternoon.

Speaker 10 (19:00):
I'm good to thank you. I'm really really pleased you
raise this issue. And I think a lot of what
you're saying is spot on. I think there's certainly more
anger out there. People are in such a hurry. People
are very quick, it seems to me. And I'm not
working anymore, so I am retired. It seems to me

(19:20):
people attack the person now more than they used to,
rather than attacking policies, like if you listen to Parliament,
which I used to do, there's much more attacking of
the person. And you know, if we're going to live
in a world that is so busy, and we're busy
attacking what everybody's doing wrong. And my simple saying is,

(19:44):
every time you demand your right, you're actually stepping on
the rights of somebody else. But yeah, I'm a meditator,
and there's no doubt meditation slows your brain down and
it sort of stops you away from busy, busy, busy,
busy busy. But I think we're less resilient swell. I
think we've been trained to get our own way.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, I think there's something to that that we you know,
even down to if you buy a you know, any
kind of device. Now things have been made so they
just used to be you have to go through a
manual for ages to make it work, and now we
just expect to get the remote out, bang and it
goes to get on your computer and it sucks everything

(20:25):
out of the other computer and it's good to go.
I think a lot of our life is made very,
very easy digitally, and so when we're on into something
physical that impedes us, we don't get our heads around it. Hey, Robin,
when you say that you've got to you meditate a lot.
How often do you do that? And for how long.

Speaker 10 (20:44):
I do it daily? I do it for thirteen minutes.
I've had lots of pain, so I've been taught that,
you know, if you meditate, you you can learn to
live with your pain, which is in fact I've found factual.
But I just found in my younger days I did
meditation retreats. It's just I've got a very quick brain

(21:05):
that you know, we want to do everything. There's always
sort of ten paces ahead, and that doesn't always help
because you can get impatient. So you have to learn tolerance.
I think, and I think meditation because you step aside
also in meditation that I'm aware of. It's not that

(21:25):
you still your brain. It's simply that you allow whatever
thoughts you have in your brain to just move past
like clouds. So yes, for me, that's very good. But
I think an awful lot of the comments that both
of you have raised, I think a spot on. I think,
as I say, when I look at the news sometimes
there's so much anger. When I look at Parliament, there's

(21:48):
so much anger. There's so much putting people down. Why
do we do it? Why do we keep attacking people
instead of policies or behaviors?

Speaker 11 (21:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Just to go back to your meditation for a second, Robin,
do you do a guided meditation or if you're appro
it's the wrong way to describe it. For meditations not
really about getting better and better, But do you you
just meditate using your own techniques, breathing or something.

Speaker 10 (22:14):
I was a hypnos HERAPS for fifteen years, okay, and
I learned how to take myself into a lact state.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, being an.

Speaker 10 (22:22):
Intermeditation or treats. So I don't like the sound in
my ears. I don't like I just like to allow
myself to just sometimes colors float by. Sometimes you just
hear sounds and just not get involved with it. And
I think the more you meditate, the more intuitive you become,

(22:42):
the more that allows you to step back and perhaps
think differently than.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
What you Yeah, well, I tell you what, Robin, you
sound very calm.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, she's got a calm way about her, and I
just take it. I feel calm. Just listen, it's clearly working.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Very very calming voice. You've got, Robin, So you're better
already here. You've calmed me down a little bit.

Speaker 10 (23:00):
Well, well done, boys, you're doing a wonderful job.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
If you call Robin, oh, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call love to hear from you.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Are we living in a more stressful world than previous generations?
Are we becoming angry? Because the thing is, we could
be becoming more angry, but we might not have the
reasons to become angry. It might be our fault. So
we might be doing something wrong in our lives that's
making us unduly angry over things that we shouldn't be
angry about. I mean, people get angry because they get

(23:31):
held up and you know the the you know, the
queue for a drive through, but you used to have
to get a spear and go out and get that food.
You're a very good point. That's pretty that's probably that
that's much harder than the slight impediment when you have
to go through the drive through and they ask you.
I've seen people get really angry when they go through
the drive through and they go, sorry, we have the

(23:51):
food's not ready, so can you just park over there?
And they're like, ah, what you hear you?

Speaker 3 (23:57):
You call this fast food?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
You used to have to go and grab us stick
and go and beat that food to death, drag it back.
We've got an open fire where you're being by other animals.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
call our headlines with SUSI coming up. It is twenty
six to two.

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Now back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Thank you very much, Susie. And we're talking about anger
levels out there in the community. Are we angrier out
there or is it just the way that we're dealing
with that perceived anger or slights against us?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, a lot of road workers are getting abuse. A
quarter of them get abuse on any given day. So
I mean I'm also asking a wider question should you
should you quit what you're doing as what some of
these roadworkers are doing because of the abuse, or you
should you learn to be able to deal with the
buse because you can't cleanse the world of abuse. So

(26:11):
was it up to all of us to learn how
to deal with abuse so we can follow our dreams?
If you know what I'm saying, not great. They're not
saying that the abuses are the good guys. Know, the
abuses are bad people, but they're going to be everywhere.
You're never going to cleanse the world from abuse, but
you can train yourself to deal with it. Lads, we
don't live in more stressful times. CIS's text that we
live in more impatient times. Want it no our generation

(26:33):
as everything is at our fingertips. Imagine a teenager putting
things physically on lay by now paying you're twenty dollars
a week over two years before you physically got your bides.
I can't I mentione my teenagers doing that. Yeah, well,
you know, like, what is it called when you pay
now and you get it and you pay it off on.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Oh oh cheap as Andrew, what do you call it?
You pay it off in four installments?

Speaker 13 (26:58):
Pay?

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Come on? We all know.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's called after pay, after pay, thank you? Yeah, after
pay that that is the definition of impatience.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
This Texas, thees guys, I think of a lot of
the anger correlates with growing entitlement, which has somehow crept
into our culture. So not generational, So many seem to
think that nothing applies to them. When reality hits, they
are in shock and freak out from Christian.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, this is what this Texas says kind of similar.
Anger comes from goals that are blocked. Eg. You have
a new car and you come to it and see
it's got a big scratch on it. You are not
angry because it's got a scratch on it, but because
it shouldn't have had a scratch, which was your what
your goal? You know, so your anger. So if we're
getting more angry, now, is it just because our expectations
have moved and our goal is to have a very

(27:45):
easy and smooth life. And in a lot of ways
we get that. You know, we get very you know,
our technology makes things very very smooth. It's very very
smooth on social media as they get in there to
try and to raise your brain. Very very easy to
do a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
It is, Floyd, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 14 (28:02):
Absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Oh you're a good man. Fantastic, No, pointy e that's
the attitude we need.

Speaker 15 (28:12):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Now mate, you are a rugby referee, is it right?

Speaker 16 (28:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (28:17):
I have been doing that now for fifteen.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Years and you would have seen some stuff.

Speaker 14 (28:23):
Oh yeah, Look it's getting We now have an academic
abuse in sport, and I'm talking across all sporting codes internationally,
is an absolute total academic at the extreme end of
the scale. Last year on the Hawk's Bays game got
called a premiere game. I called off for ten minutes
into the second half and the visiting team got chased

(28:45):
down the road and had their back window of the
band blowing out with a shotgun. Yeah yeah, seriously, that's the.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Extreme end there was reported, wasn't it? Freud I mean,
that's part of my work. Yeah, yeah, I remember that story.

Speaker 14 (28:57):
It was yeah at the at this morning. I mean,
he's made the comment that we can't eliminate, we can't
e eliminate abuse, but we can actually reduce. But I've
worked very hard with four proscedures and we're at schools
in the or area over the last four years and
to the point where we've actually eliminated not only have

(29:18):
we eliminated abuse, but we've eliminated high tackles. And it's
all to do with doing the right coaching and the
right people get getting in the right places and saying
the right things.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
So, Floyd, is the abuse you're talking about, director, That
is the abuse You're talking about directors at referees.

Speaker 14 (29:36):
The players, the players to referees, by coaches, by spectators,
it's across the board. But by working with by working
with the coaches and getting them to get a better
understanding of what abuse is. So where I'm going with
us is we've actually what's happened over the years is
we've lowered the bar. All right, the bar of accessibility

(29:59):
is reduced so far that abuse just about has to
be really serious today before anybody recognizes it as abuse.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Do you think that? Do you think kids are being
taught because you know, when I was playing sport as
a kid, the the respecting the ref was just drilled
into you so hard. Is that still happening? Is that
lesson that what the ref says goes?

Speaker 14 (30:24):
No, that's gone. So these days coaches, coaches that all
of them is all braids, totally have the Giving example,
I referee to a game between the two hot schools
on Saturday and one of the coaches is an ex
all book and he twice he totally disrespected my route me,

(30:50):
disrespected me before the game, and he disrespected me during
the game. And the stupidity of it is he doesn't
actually recognize that that's what he's done. Wow, disrespect equals abuse.
If it's not respectable, it's abusive. And so it's become
part out of the coaching culture that it's actually okay

(31:12):
to challenge a referee or just respect the referee, and
that's okay. That's one thing. The bar has been lowered
to touch a degree that even New Zealand Rugby as
an entity has the most incredible definition of abuse in
their policy documents, but ninety five percent of the stuff,
don't even know it? What is it? Well, if you don't,

(31:33):
if you got engineer Rugby and you search through the
policy documents, you'll see it. And it's long for me
to repeat here. Okay, but what's just it's a great
it's a great definition. Basically it says respect the referee.
If you want some it up right, just sum it
up in three respect the referee. But they don't know it.
They don't. I'm having for years, I've been having a

(31:56):
battle with the whole rugby fraternity about we need to
we need to get back to raising the bar of
what's acceptable and what respect is.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
So just quickly, sorry to jump in the what would
because you mentioned disrespect there from that coach and we
don't want to name names, but he was a former
All Black?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
But what what do we want to name that?

Speaker 3 (32:18):
That's over to you, Floyd. But what what would be
an example?

Speaker 17 (32:21):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (32:21):
What an example of disrespect be? Come on, reef, you're blind?
Would that that would be an example?

Speaker 14 (32:27):
Let me let me, let me give you the two examples.
Pre match, my pre match and I'm probably the only
referee in the copy that does it. I bring in
the entire team and the coaches, and I tell them
what my expectations are.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
Right.

Speaker 14 (32:38):
I talked to him about how I'm going to referee,
and it takes maybe three minutes for a minute and
I and I worked with this coach for a large
number of years, and he's nothing's changed. He doesn't want
to know, he doesn't want to hear it. And so
I asked for for that time with the team, and
halfway through my PREMATCHI blue is Whistle said times up,

(32:58):
this go.

Speaker 13 (33:00):
Right.

Speaker 14 (33:01):
My first thought was okay, and I won't say his name.
You've done it again. So your team is the one
going to miss out on the field because I'm not
going to get what I want from them, right.

Speaker 7 (33:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (33:13):
The second time was midway through the second half. I
penalized his team for a certain incident and he's on
the dead on the trial, which is where he shouldn't
have been. Should have been on the dead ball line,
screaming at me that I've got it wrong. Now what
he's doing. And when he's doing that, he's the meaning

(33:34):
my authority on the field with his team, telling his
team the referee has got it wrong. It's okay to
challenge him now. As it turns out, the game was
so a place that it sets all back and forth,
and it was thirty three thirty one, so it was
a great game of footing. But those two instances is
what I'm talking about into disrespect. One he didn't give

(33:54):
me the opportunity to say what I needed to say
to get his team on board to get the discipline
I needed on the field. And the second one was
he thinks it's just right. It challenged me in my refrain.
He's not the refrain. All right, if we've got something
to say to me, ask me about the afters, but
you don't tell your team in the middle of it,
yellout to scream at your team I'm getting it wrong.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, one hundred percent. You got to speak the ref absolutely.
I wonder if that was not just quickly? Was that
was this particular ex all black? Was he a half back?

Speaker 7 (34:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Oh, I think I know who you mean.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Right, We might get them on the phone and trying
to find themself with no names. Floyd, Thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (34:38):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
We're horribly late, but we'll be back with more of
your phone calls very shortly. Thirteen to two.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
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eighty ten eighty Madden Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo XC
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Speaker 3 (34:58):
It is ten to two, and we've asked the question,
are we angry at out there?

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, and there's a lot of people coming through and
saying that we're very angry on the sports field. And
you know, we've been hearing a lot about people being
angry at road workers. This Texas says, Hey, just the
same as respecting your parents, it flows onto cops, teachers, coaches,
refs and each other.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, it's a good point. This one's the afternoon guys.
I'm sixty three and coming up to forty years working
on the roads. I haven't noticed a change in the abuse,
but what I have noticed is that the younger generations
can't handle it and they take it personally. The other
thing is today, if it happens, you're obligated to make
a report to our Health and safety officer. A near
miest reporter is what it's called, and is reported as

(35:40):
a mental health problem. And that's where n ZTA get
their statistics from. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
In hospitals, people are rude, says Suzi. They have rights
and no responsibilities and expect everything done yesterday and for free.
Some shifts can be scary and exhausting due to often
unreasonable expectations. People that are road to nurses and staff
and hospitals are the worst of us.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Horrendous, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
What about those absolute scum that fight fire fire fire,
you know, firefighters on the tim at the house, and
then ambulance and ambulance officers.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
What is going through the head? You know, as you
say the hospital, they're either helping you or a family member,
and you flip out on a nurse for an ambo officer.
It's crazy. Right, We're going to take more of your
calls very shortly. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. It is nine to two.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Matties Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo xc
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Speaker 3 (36:43):
B news talks. It'd be it is six two two, Nick.
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 18 (36:51):
Good?

Speaker 19 (36:51):
Ayah, good?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Thanks Tiler.

Speaker 20 (36:53):
Yeah, I just thought you know, it's on the person.

Speaker 19 (36:56):
Really to not.

Speaker 16 (36:59):
Back when they're presented with these stressful sort of situations
that make them angry. I probably used to be more angry,
and now I sort of recognize that we're this has happened,
when something's happened, and I just just am at peace
with it, you know, so rather than looking to everyone else,
sort of looking at yourself first and how you're reacting

(37:20):
to these things.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it makes a fair point is
how we deal with it, And that's the philosophy of
yours matters that we when something happens a slight or
something goes wrong and what is mostly a comfortable life
for all of us, considering what populations have dealt with
in the past, it's how you deal with it that
is getting us into trouble.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Well, how about this from this Dutch philosopher called ensl Ganger,
And he said, insert insult. Is it true? If yes,
then it's an insult? Why be offended by it? I'm sorry,
insert insult? Is it true? If yes, then it's not
an insult. Why be offended by it? If no, then
it's nonsense. Why be triggered by nonsense? So if someone

(38:02):
abuses you and it's not true what they're saying and
it's not fair, then that's on the abuser, So you
should not be triggered by that if it is true.
If they point something out to you that's true, Like
I don't really like your new haircut, Tyler, it's not
a great haircut. That's true, So you should thank me
for the insult. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Why would I thank you for that? Though?

Speaker 2 (38:20):
That hurts?

Speaker 3 (38:21):
You know, I pay for this haircut, but.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
You needed to know that the haircut, haircut isn't great
and that you you need to get a different barber.
You know, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
The fade was pretty good though, wouldn't they? No, that
is a good quote. And I mean when you get
cut off by someone on the on the road right,
slightly different situation, but quite often is that done with
malice or was that just an accident that didn't mean
to slight you, They didn't mean to cut you.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Ask yourself, have you ever cut anyone off before?

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Not on purpose?

Speaker 13 (38:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:49):
No, If I did, it was by.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Except But I'm just saying generally, if someone cuts you off,
you know, if you've if you've if you've committed the
sin that the person's committed, that you're angry at yourself,
it's harder to remain angry at them.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
And also just take a big breath. It's right, just
take a big breath, big breath in, big breath out,
and really helps with anger.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yep, there's a lot to be happy about. Right, that's
a good discussion. Thank you very much for all the
phone calls and texts we got on that one. After
two o'clock we're going to be talking about running. Is
it the ultimate exercise? Love to hear from you on
this one. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call Newsport and Weather or it's way you
listening to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 21 (39:26):
Good afternoon, talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoon SWI the Volvo XC
ninety news Talk zaid be good afternoons.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
You welcome back into the show six past. Too great
to have your company. As always, Let's have a chat
about running. Is running the ultimate form of exercise? On
the back of a story in The Herald about what
they are calling the run walk.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Method, Yes, so they're saying that the best kind of
running is to run for a bit, then walk for
a bit and work out your own you know, variation
on that. But I think that that's cheating. I think
if you say that's a run walk, that's fine, but
it's not a run. A run is when you run
the whole time that you're running. A run. Walk is
a different thing. Now, walks of walk. Love a walk.

(40:21):
Love a walk. And if you go for a walk
and you run a bit of it, sure call it
a walk. That's fine. But if I if I say
I ran five k and I ran one k, then
walked one k, then ran cat one k, then walked
one k, then ran one k, you know I was
saying that that's not.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
A run'd except defeat. So if you got home after
your five k run and at some stage you walked
and your partner said, how'd your run go? It wasn't
a run. I wasn't a run. In the end, I failed.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's different if you're on one of those ultra marathons.
You know, I'm not going to Nicolin dime someone that's running,
you know, eighty five k. If they walk up the
hilly bits, you know that's that's Okay, yeah you could,
but I'd also say, you know, you know, in look
marathon runners, they will you know, they might get a
really good time, and they might walk through while they're

(41:03):
having their drink, So they might walk past the drink
thing slow down just to get the water in them,
you know, So it's just sort of a walk just
so they can get all the fluids they need and
whatever sort of energy goop they're shoving down themselves. I
get that, but the intention is that you're running. You're
running the whole time, You're not just slowing to have
a whole walk. But really, the wider question is, and
there's a lot of different kinds of exercise out there

(41:24):
now that are being pushed at us. You know, anyone
that's on Instagram gets a fad exercise regime shoved at
them every thirty seconds. But I personally think running is
absolutely the best because you don't pay for it. Running
is free. You just go out the door and you're running.
So you know, what do people think about?

Speaker 7 (41:44):
This?

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Is running a great form of exercise because the other
side of it, as people say, it's terrible for your legs.
It puts a lot of stress on your body, it's
too intense. There's a lot of people saying that running
is bad. My mate Lee Hart said in the other
day running stupid yourself. It's no good running. No good
ever comes from running. Matt, because I was running around
the neighborhood when he saw me, he goes, no, it's

(42:07):
bad for you, to be fair.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
He doesn't need a little much of a runner.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
He's fit. Man. Is he boxes?

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Oh he's very fall guy, isn't he's very much solid?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah? Yeah, you though you wouldn't want to get into
a fight with that guy.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
But what do you You have been running your training
at the moment, But what do you get out of it?
Do you generally enjoy it? You get ed and dolphins?
But that is it is an exercise that you look
forward to.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Oh I love running, it's great. But look forward to it?

Speaker 22 (42:33):
Isn't?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Isn't it? Because it is hard to do it? You know,
it's hard to run. You have to motivate yourself. So
I do things like I put my running gear out
the night before I go to bed after reading Atomic
Habits by James Clear, I put my running shoes out
and my running gear out, so when I get out
of bed, I see it and then I just put
it on and then then I go for a run.
But there's a great feeling after it. It's meditative. I

(42:56):
get into the breathing. I think it's just an absolutely
fantastic form form of exercise. I don't believe it's bad
for you. I believe if you do it right, then
you then you protect yourself from injuries. I think it's
the best form of exercise out there. But do you
agree I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. And if you
are a runner, you know, what are some tips for
people that want to get into it? And is it

(43:18):
just better exercise than all the fad diets put together?
Well not diets, so fad exercise. You know the difference
between you know, running to lose weight, you're going to
You're going to have to get some diet in there. Yeah,
it's very hard to run your fat guts out that
you have to run a long way to get rid
of your.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Fat guts nicely said right. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call love to hear from you.
If you are a runner, what do you get out
of it? Have you been successful with losing weight getting fit?
Just with running. Get on the phone. It is ten
past two.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
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Speaker 4 (44:00):
Sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Thirteen past two? Is running the ultimate form of exercise?
When it comes to running, I think it's for you
to say it kind of. It's a bit of a
rollercoaster on how it trends.

Speaker 13 (44:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Sometimes all the experts say it's the best thing you
can even do. Then there's a period to say it's
really bad for your joints and your knees. Then it
comes back to the fore. So it is just a
bit confusing.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, I mean all those things. Someone hears his Matt, No,
running is for losers. Every time I see one, I
want to tax it them back to reality. Okay, I
don't know what that taser?

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Taser?

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Oh good, I've got to get a taser reference in
every show. Hey, guys, running is extremely high impact and
wears out ankles, knees, hips, and spine over time. Not
good in old age. I believe the best exercise is
their parents would heat them up for a lunch. Worked well,
all right, we loved it.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
I think he's combined to to texts. There he started
off running.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
I believe the best exercises the eating, being eaten alive
by your parents. Mike, can you tixt back? Sounds like
you're promoting cannibalism. I'm sure that's not what you meant.
Walking drawing an intended runner's failure. Fellas you stop to
walk once you do it again. Uh yeah, so yeah,
it's fair there. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Absolutely, Henry,

(45:13):
welcome to the show. You're a big fan of running.

Speaker 23 (45:16):
Yeah, yeah, I got it's gone like a person and
you know, say I've got an injury at the moment,
I'm not really twenty minutes a day too.

Speaker 7 (45:26):
I can build back up here.

Speaker 18 (45:28):
But ye know, I love it. It's just you know,
you're out there boy yourself and or you know when
you join a club and there it's you know, listen, so.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
When you say join a club, are you still part
of that club?

Speaker 19 (45:40):
Henry?

Speaker 18 (45:42):
Noa quind a part time when they start common from
the and the area club starts or just stout the
Easter weekend. But I'm sixty seven and there's no real
guards my age running anymore, you know, the wall you passed.

Speaker 19 (45:57):
Away or retired.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
How far would you run these days, Henry, on a
regular basis.

Speaker 6 (46:04):
Oh, just for an hour and a half.

Speaker 20 (46:06):
For every second, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
It's a solid run. How far are you go in
an hour and a half?

Speaker 18 (46:12):
Oh right, well thirteen? You know it just bends hell
how fast running?

Speaker 6 (46:16):
Because I never take a watch, So I just like
to go out there and you just run.

Speaker 7 (46:21):
You know, you run for time.

Speaker 18 (46:22):
It's like Lidy had said, you know, the longer you're
out there, the better it is. So I haven't even
worn a watch because if you wear a watch, you're
always looking at your time, and you get to places
where you've been to day boys think god, I'm slow.

Speaker 7 (46:33):
Look at that.

Speaker 6 (46:34):
It's ten minutes to get here, and.

Speaker 18 (46:35):
You know whereas if you don't wear a watch, well
you don't know, and you're just running freely and you
get all that extra time.

Speaker 20 (46:41):
And you run and you come home and yeah, you
feel all right.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I agree with you, Henry. I think it's great not
taking a watch. Just you just go for a run.
For you say, I'm going for an hour and then
you run for an hour. That's great. I mean, like,
like you know, maybe you have a watch, but not
I'm not. I'm talking about these smart watches that everyone
thinks they need before they start running. They're like, I
need to spend a thousand dollars to wrap a computer
around my wrist before I can run. The beauty of
running is you just go out the door and you run. Interestingly, Henry,

(47:08):
you mentioned Lydiard. My partner is a Lydiad. She's part
of the family Lydiad fo. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, she doesn't
run though, that's unfair. Actually she does run. She is
trying to run at the moment.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Yeah, but if you're part of that family of various
steemed runners.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, I thank if you call Henry. Yeah, I mean
that's the thing. That's why I think running is such
a good form of exercise, despite the fact that four
thousand people have just texted that it's terrible for you
and your ankles and your hips and your and you'll
immediately break a leg by trying to do it. I
think just the fact that you can hit out the
door and run, it's just such a fantastic part of it.
This Texas says muy Thai kickboxing is your best cardio hit.

(47:50):
I'm seventeen years deep, fifty and as fit as my
twenty year old mate. Yeah, muy ti, there's no doubt
that is good fitness.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yeah, absolutely this one. Tyler and Matt I have been
running for years. Just cranked out my fastest five k
on Monday. Achieved it by doing a walk run strategy.
I think you need to manage the walk component as
a very small percentage of the total time from b Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Well, I think that's true, and I agree with that
that the walk run thing may you can actually get
faster times with it. Yeah, I agree, But part of
me just thinks it's weak. And I just think even
if you're slower on the run and you're basically being
passed by people that are walking there chuahwas Yeah, but
you're still in the running motion. I think that's part

(48:34):
of the run.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
But I think the distinction there was if you're training
for something, okay, but it's not a run. If you
walk in the run, it's not a run.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Matt, you muppet running is bad for you. You should swim, okay, Yeah,
but there's no pull directly outside my door. I'd have
to swim through the concrete. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 (50:16):
Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Good afternoon. We're talking about running as the ultimate form
of exercise. But it's on the back of a story
in the New Zealand Herald the run walk method as
it's being called. There are claims that that is the
superior method if you are training for a somewhat longer run.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah, hi guys, this is tex A great show as always,
thank you. If I was in my late forties. If
I was in my late forties and was thinking about
taking up running as next size, where would I start? Like,
just buy some good shoes and get out there. I
know it sounds dumb, but I'm serious. Is there anything
I should know? How long, how far? Except you to
start with? Appreciate your advice. I'm likely to be tasered too.

(50:58):
Is that a real danger? Yeah, there's always a danger
of getting tasered when you're out running.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
It's never zero percent.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Do you know what I think we should ring my
mate Dominic Harvey. He's run multiple marathons and he's written
a book on running, his love Affair with running, and
so we will get him on it because he'll be
able to answer all those questions. That's good because I
think a lot of people think they have to spend
a lot of money before they start running. As I
was saying before, they feel like they need to buy

(51:24):
a one thousand dollars computer to strap around there at
risk before they start running. You don't need that, but
I think there is there is reason to buy good
shoes to protect your feet. You know, you go to
one of those people that I've got to complain about,
one of those people with the walking things I might
you know when yours is what they call them. No, No,
you go to one of those shops and they get
you to walk on a platform and they work out,

(51:46):
you know, the arch of your feet and all that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeah, yeah, but that'll be good. We'll get dom on
the show and answer all your questions a little bit later.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
If you're a one hundred and fifteen kg you do
not want to be running or will destroy your knees,
hips and ankles. But if you are like Matt and
only way fifty five kg, then running is definitely for you. Mars,
I've got I've probably got fifty five kg of pure muscle, but.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
You're definitely not fifty five kilo. No, it's a nice comple.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Comple eighty five a lean mean beautiful eighty five to
ninety kJ.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
You're carrying a hellium balloons.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
You might be conrad your thought on of your thoughts
on running.

Speaker 23 (52:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm one of these running I see
running around. I'm about seventy kg, so I think, and
the importance of shoes and stuff. I actually try and alternate,
like it's really important to run on graphs, like this
is what I do. I find spots in the neighborhood
where like big parks and stuff like that where you
can run on graphs most of the time and there's

(52:50):
nothing wrong with the odd walk during it that One
of the key things is to try and get the
length of time you're running. For example, yesterday I was
running for probably two and a half hours out of
the three and a half hours I was out there,
so what. But also if you stop or if you
just do a bit of a stretch or something, you
don't want to take it too long. You want to
just like say thirty seconds or so. You don't want

(53:11):
to stop, say half an hour and then say okay,
now I'll run another hour or so. That's kind of
like because because your whole your body's got your body's
gotten to the tune of okay, I'm running now, and
you want to keep that up for as as long
as possible. And siicularly about the speed thing, like your
previous course, you die, I don't take a watch or anything. Hey,
I deliberately take my watch off. I kind of feel
it as I go along, and it's like like you

(53:35):
can kind of twitching and jogging, going slowly and going
a bit faster rather than having to stop or whatever
it is. I think you're getting in, you know, because
the starts getting pretty tricky and about three three four
hours in.

Speaker 7 (53:48):
Your body of.

Speaker 23 (53:48):
People saying home kids to stop. Yeah, but it's important
that you kind of even if you just keep that
body moving for you know, And so yeah, just sir,
that's one of the key couple of points I want
to make and year. I actually did you go to
a one.

Speaker 7 (54:03):
Of the what's the weather?

Speaker 22 (54:04):
I think?

Speaker 23 (54:04):
Also, what's the word for your kind of foot specialist?
G Yeah, that's the ONEIATI tradition pediatrician. Yeah, I think. Yeah,
if you're going to get into running kind of as
your kind of main kind of exercise in ten years
or whatever, like I'd have did about ten years ago,
and it was really really helpful because they can tell
you about how you can run properly and you know,

(54:26):
like the the arch your foot and all that kind
of stuff. Like I got in Souls for example, to
raise my foot book because I'm flat footed. So yeah,
And just one thing about shoes. I like life of shoes,
Like there's so many shoes that they are like, you know,
if you're running for long periods of time, you know,
hivy shoes will driving up.

Speaker 15 (54:44):
So yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
You're talking about four about risting up. You don't see
it as much any more. You know, people used to
jog on the stops on the spot when they came
to a crossing.

Speaker 7 (54:55):
Oh no, that's not me.

Speaker 20 (54:56):
I'm not that.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Really.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
I take my head off to those people. Is like
keep going, keep running all.

Speaker 23 (55:03):
Carn't do it.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
That's a good time to get your stretch and to
get your stretch out your achilles.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Oh yeah, you give it. Yeah, you think your good
use of time.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Yeah, you've got to stretch at those points. Hey, thank
you for your call, Conrad. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Yeah, guys, great subject for the running gurus. Oh how
do I stop shin splints? They are destabilizing currently using
compression stocking. But I look like a complete idiot. So
that's a good one to hold for dom when we
have a chip to them in about what twenty minutes time?

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yeah, well, I think one of the things that you
can do that makes you running a lot better is
try and keep your your hips in line as you're
running along, so you're not putting undue stress on each
league because you know, the weird thing about running is
all your weight goes on one foot and all the
weight goes on the other foot, as opposed to walking
where it's split, you know, and that's why you know,
you know, competitive walkers or is getting stung for running.

(55:56):
That's when they have their hips around there. They don't
have two feet on the ground. But yeah, there's little
things you can do to limit your injuries. And I
think a good thing about running when your start is
just to let yourself run really stupidly slow. Lucy, go
see just slow yeah, run run really slow. Alan, you're

(56:16):
a big fan of running.

Speaker 7 (56:18):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 20 (56:20):
Look for people that are wanting to get into running,
go to somebody like shoe science and get your feet
set up with the right sort of shoes. Is probably
the best start, the best investment you can make.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
How much you reckon how much do you have to
pay do you think as a good entry level shoe price, Ellen,
I would.

Speaker 20 (56:41):
Have thought probably a couple of hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yep.

Speaker 20 (56:45):
That will get you something based around your gate and
provide just concautioning and stability that you need. But the
main thing is when you're out there running is whether
you're quick, far, slow, young, old, it doesn't really matter.
Mix up the terrain. If you can get onto sands

(57:06):
rocks bush and perhaps not just run on the same surface,
then you're probably not going to get as injured as
you would be if you just ran on concrete all
the time.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 20 (57:18):
The concrete and ashfeld the the killers for repetitive type injuries.
But about probably twenty five years ago, the people that
I used to run with, we went into the bush
and so we just got into trail running and so
no injuries, zero injuries. Running you might have the odd

(57:42):
four where you scrape your knee or whatever, but trail
running is probably the best because it builds. It builds
so many other factors in so your balance increases, the
strengths of your joints increase, your muscle strength increases, and
it's fun, and you get into places where you wouldn't

(58:03):
normally go, and you can do that sort of thing
wherever you are in the world. It's probably the one
sport that you can do anywhere. It's fantastic and it
just costs your time.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Yeah, because I've got a bunch of friends and we
share our runs. We send them to each other, and
you know, friends are running overseas, they'll send you the
map they've just run and it'll be around their hotel
where they wherever interesting places are in the world. It's
so cool. You're exactly right. You just get out the door,
take your running shoes with you, and then wherever you
are you can get out the door. You know, so
I think, but you know, you talk about injuries that

(58:35):
that's the bummer when you first start running, is you
know you've got the strategy, this plan, you're going to
run and then immediately get injured and then you then
you can't run. So I think you know what you're
saying about getting the right shoes and actually you know,
stretching and taking it slow at the start. And you
know one thing that I'll do when I start running again,
want to have it had a spot of not running

(58:56):
as I'll get on a treadmill for a bit just
to get my ankles going again, which does take away
from the just running out the door. You do have
to have a treadmill for that. Hey, thank you so
much for your call. Ellen. This texasays, can you run
in crocs?

Speaker 6 (59:09):
You can?

Speaker 4 (59:10):
You can?

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah you can run on them good support. I don't
think so, no, but technically can. And this other Texas says,
I don't trust runners. They always find the bodies.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yeah, good spotting, Yeah they do.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, there was always something suspicious about that.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
There's always the runners at the start of those TV
shows that find the body. Why are you there so early? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:28):
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of call.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
The runners are doing the murders. Okay, let's just be
honest about that.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
if you're mad into running. Love to hear from yours
at the ultimate exercise. On the back of a story
in the NZ here all talking about this run walk
method headlines with Susie coming up.

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On trade Me the Farmer, ending the awkwardness of borrowing
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to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Thank you very much, Susan. We're talking about running is
a form of exercise? Is it the ultimate form of exercise?
On the back of a story in the New Zealand
Herald on the science behind the run walk method, they
call it a lot of fascinating science that if you
are trying to get into running or you want to
be a better runner, that is an incredibly effective method

(01:01:26):
according to some scientists.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Yeah, I think it could be an effective method, but
for me it sounds weak. I reckon, if you're running,
you're running. If you're run walking, then you've run walked.
You haven't been for a run. You can't say I've
run ten k if you walked half of it. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Yeah, you've gotta be honest with it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, this text interesting And hey guys, a one hundred
and fifty dollar a pair of new balanced hues from
Rebel Sport and a thirty dollars smart watch and ten
dollars bluetooth headphones off Temo and you're good to go.
Ben so he reckons you can get it all going
for under two hundred dollars what you need. Yeah, but
you know, I like to raw dog my runs with
no headphones, just just concentrate on my breathing.

Speaker 21 (01:02:02):
Just quote.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Yeah nice.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Yeah, that sounds fun to listen to if you're running
with you on the There was this trend and maybe
we put this to Dom at the end of this hour,
but the trend about almost like barefoot running. It's not
quite but you know, Nike brought out these shoes they
called them that that what are the almost like socks?

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Are they the ones with the toes?

Speaker 21 (01:02:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
They are an abomination that can't be good for you,
that makes other people vomit. Yeah, you should get tased
if you use that. Yeah, because we're going to talk
to Dom Harvey, author of Running a Love Story, and
he can answer a bunch of your running questions coming
up before the end of the hour. Hi, guys. Running
certainly has great health fitness benefits, but in my experience,
rowing is far more beneficial. Most New Zealand towns, certainly

(01:02:46):
cities have rowing clubs. Single skulls exempted, double sculls, fours
and eights develop unmatched mental acuity. A rowing skiff simply
won't work to max efficiency unless all the rowers are
in the tune and sync with each other. Brains not brawn.
That's an interesting take on rowing. One of my sons
did rowing right through school and it was a fantastic

(01:03:07):
sport in terms of the teamwork and the discipline that's
involved in it. Rowing is just such a fantastic sports,
super fat. You know, running you used to have to
go at the door and run. You don't need a
full boat or somewhere to row it exactly, Ken, how
are you very good? Thank you?

Speaker 19 (01:03:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:03:26):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:03:27):
Walking running walking running walking running.

Speaker 24 (01:03:32):
Is called scouts pace scout if you're a scouter, scouts pace.
If you're an ex scout where they're like I am,
then you find that the boys could cover twice the distance.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
And a half the time, So twice the distance so
as opposed to just running the whole way, they get
there actually quicker. Interesting, they're quick.

Speaker 24 (01:03:53):
They're quicker.

Speaker 22 (01:03:55):
A lot of the times we used to because I
come from way down South and we used to do
long hikes through the mountains and that sort of thing.
And the guy talking about running through the bush, she's
dead right. Your angles, your ankles are stronger, your knees
are stronger, your hips are stronger because you aren't landing
on the same level of flat surface.

Speaker 25 (01:04:16):
All the time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I think you cool ken. Yeah, so scout out running.
There's a lot of scouts around. Scouts were great. Yeah,
we need to bring back scouts.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
You're a scouts, a scout. Yeah. How many badges did
you get? You got most of them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
I got whacked with a badge for climbing up the
climbing rope and undoing it at the top and then
falling down.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
You got a badge for that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
No, I got it whacked with a badge.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
As you should be. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call some great texts coming
through this one, guys. A kilo of fat is nine
thousand calories. We beck from there. If your fat loss
is your goal, running can be effective, but diet's important too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing. Yeah, I mean, running
will not make you lose weight, but it's handy to
lose weight if you want to run, because if you're
you know, you just think about it. If you're carrying
an extra ten kgs of weight on you and you're
trying to run a long distance, it's like carrying just
in your arms ten gaugees of butter. Yeah, it's a
lot to carry around. So you know, running may not

(01:05:16):
lose you as much weight as people used to think
it does, but it will motivate you to lose weight
because it makes the running a lot easier.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Exactly, Bob. How are you?

Speaker 13 (01:05:26):
Yeah, Greg mate? How you all doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Good? So are you a runner yourself?

Speaker 13 (01:05:33):
Not anymore? I'm maybe two years old, but I still
get around pretty good. But what I am concerned about
is I love to see people running, but living in
the Awfland area where I live, the big problem for
me is that they are a good life cyclists. They

(01:05:54):
tend to think that they own the highway and if
they want across the road in front of you, they'll
do it at lights or whatever. They sham come out
of nowhere and they expect you to dodge around them. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Yea, I'm a bit guilty of that, bob, because I
don't want to stop, so I'll just I'll just end
up running down of the true Yeah, and I feel
bad about it, but I'll just run down the center
of the road. And you know, if I'm running towards
people that are walking, especially if they're not because I
hug the left, and if there's people walking on the
right towards me, I'm like, no, the left is the
way to go. We're a left hand side of the

(01:06:28):
road country. Yeah, so I'll just plow through people.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
That's a tasering. Yeah, that's a tasering from me. Yeah,
all right, just plowing through. I mean, I agree with
you on the left, but come on, just slow down
a little bit, mate, to slow down. You're not forest gum.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
No, I'll plow through. I'm not twenty or thirty tourists
out of the way a bit because they're on the
wrong rest.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
It's in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Left side of the road.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Will take a quick break and then come
back with some more of your calls. An text as well.
It is nineteen to three.

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Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Call eight hundred eighty news Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Said, be afternoon, and we're talking about running. Is it
the ultimate exercise? On the back of a great story
in the New Zealand Herald about what they call in
the run walk method not entirely new, but new science
behind it, so they say, in terms of being a
better runner, quick text here before we go back to
the phone calls cil it a fellas great topic. I
run ten k every other day, up, down and around

(01:07:39):
Mount Victoria in the wonderful Wellington. I love it. Good
for your health, sleep, diet and head. Top tip, get
one of those rubber bands from Rebel and stretch those
hammis and strengthen your knees and hips. Running ain't for everyone,
but it is important to find out what makes you happy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Go well, yeah, I think that's the thing. When you
start running, you have to think about it. You've got
to stretch. You got to look up a few things,
look up a few stretches, stretch out that achilles. You
get it. And you've also I think doing a weight
exercise as well, you know, and looking out what the
best muscles are, because your posteria is very important. You glutes,
your butt. Your butt is what keeps.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Your keeps you you like, even keeps your haap straight.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Yeah. See, you want to do some lunges. Yep, you
want to do some squats, you know. Yeah, someone will
probably some person as you know something about fitness, will
now text in and say that's the biggest lad of
rubbish ever. But blots are important. Yeah, you get your
butt's important.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Absolutely. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
This, Texas says, Yep, Tyler's right. Run on the road,
get tasted.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Yeah, that's how I told you. Chris. How are you
this afternoon?

Speaker 26 (01:08:49):
Very well, Thanks guys, great show.

Speaker 7 (01:08:50):
Love listening to you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I thank you, mate.

Speaker 7 (01:08:52):
Number one.

Speaker 26 (01:08:53):
Read the book Born to Run by Chris McDougall.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
I've heard about it an app.

Speaker 26 (01:08:58):
It's an inspiration. I read it probably every two years
because it just reinvigorates me. It's fabulous and it's a
meandering story about the history of running right back to
prehistoric man. And one of the topics you touched on
that he covers is barefoot running and the greatest incident,
the greatest increase in running injuries came about with the

(01:09:21):
modern running shoe.

Speaker 7 (01:09:23):
Amount of.

Speaker 26 (01:09:25):
The amount of cushioning stops the body adjusting. Because everyone's
got different shaped feet, so our body automatically adjusts when
it hits the ground to allow for the variants in
our feet. The cushioning of the running shoe stops that happening.
And as I said, when they first introduced the running shoe,
there was a massive increase in running injuries, which they

(01:09:46):
theorized was caused by that. The other big thing for
me is I've been a running all my life. Is now,
as I'm getting us slightly older, I'm cross training and
I'm doing a lot of cycling, and I've had knee issues.
I've had achilles issues and had calf issues. The cycling
has just made a massive improvement my knees. I get

(01:10:07):
no knee knee issues whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Cycling and running, you're saying, you're cycling and running. Yeah. Hey,
so when you say the barefoot running, you're not talking
about those humiliating toe shoes, are you.

Speaker 26 (01:10:18):
Well, the toe shoes are there to protect your feet
against being cut or you know, against glass, and that's
why they were introduced, so that you could essentially run
be a foot, but you your foot was protected against
modern stones.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
And some reason, just looking at those makes me gag.
There's something about them. It's very very disturbing. So but
you know, but I would be would be open to
who was it?

Speaker 12 (01:10:45):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Lolla bud was was what her name? The runner? She
ran barefoot, ran on the track? Yeah, so she must
really kill us in the Olympics. Yeah, that's right. How
cool was that?

Speaker 19 (01:10:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
But I mean I guess if you want, if you
want to start running barefoot, then you know around the park,
you know, on the grass would be the way to
go and do it on the grass.

Speaker 26 (01:11:04):
Yeah, I go down to my local football club and
I used to do a lot of it and it
was good. But I mean everyone's different. So basically, find
the niche for you. And trail running I love, you know,
the walk run walk, great transition if you have an
exercise for a while and you want to get back
into your running and you're getting frustrated because you can't
go out and do a five k run straight away

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like you used to do. So, as I said, it's
just finding the best method for yourself. And the other
big plus for me as I joined the Auckland Way
MCA Marathon Club and that was absolutely brilliant. The social
network and the friends I made thirty years ago I
still have and we've all drifted off into different parts

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of New Zealand. But running in a group and getting
into a some some group like that, you just gained
so much knowledge because when I started, you know, there
were people that had done twenty and thirty marathons, so
you could take all their experience and learn and not
make all those mistakes yourself, which made it so much

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more enjoyable. And there's nothing better than being out for
a run and chatting to your mates and finishing your run,
maybe having a beverage afterwards. You know, the social aspect
combined with the physical fitness, I just founded a brilliant combination.

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
So yeah, anyway, keep it up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
How many marathonswhow I've done twenty two fives. I've got
my first one this year at the end of the
year and booked in for the Queenstown Marathon. Oh that's brilliant.
I'm on my training, I've got I've got a regimended
training thing and I'm been very careful not to injure
myself because I just want to keep training slightly.

Speaker 26 (01:12:43):
I get there, don't go out, don't go out too fast,
and enjoy the journey. There's another really good boy always
using It's called the self coach runner, and that gives
you a really good detailed program. But I'm sure the
clubs and everything, the AUK and why I'm say was brilliant.
We used to go out into a twenty mile run
and we used to train it. I think when I
first started, it was eight and a half minute mile
pace and they had all the lamp posts marked or

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somewhere marked. And these guys they were take you through
and if you're aiming for eight and a half, they
get off shit eight twenty nine, sorry guys, or you
do the next one eight thirty one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Oh sorry.

Speaker 26 (01:13:15):
And that was uphill Downdale.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Everything.

Speaker 26 (01:13:17):
They were absolute just magicians they but it was the
best way. And yeah, they our long slow runs. Our
lsd were always done around a minute slower than your
race pace. And then we'd go and do ten k's
and they were done faster than the race pace.

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
Did you say being as you built?

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Sorry? Did you say on LSD should be did you
say on LSD or at LSD.

Speaker 23 (01:13:40):
No.

Speaker 26 (01:13:40):
On LSD, LSD stood for long slow, just the horror, right, okay, okay,
that makes more sense for us.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Not the drug, not the drug.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
That enhancement.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
So sorry I interrupted with my mishearing there. But so
were we're saying, like the indival You were saying something
that I when I interrupted there.

Speaker 26 (01:14:01):
Sorry, Oh sorry, So your long runs should be between
a half minute and a minute slower than your anticipated
race pace, right, and your short runs, so you should
do one short fast run a week, which should be
about half a minute faster than.

Speaker 7 (01:14:15):
Your race pace.

Speaker 26 (01:14:16):
Okay, yeah, And the theory behind that is that your
long runs build up your endurance and the fast runs
build up your speed, so that when you come to
your race, you will actually run at a level between
those two.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Brilliant. Thank you so much for that information, Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
It was great. Twenty two marathons and I think you
said five ultras.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Yeah, and he was and the whole time on LSD
that's quite not necessarily were you running? Are you actually running?

Speaker 19 (01:14:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
And just on those barefoot shoes. I get what he's saying,
and I'm interested to read that book, but I think
I'd rather just get a knee injury, to be honest.
Pretty pretty awful shoes, aren't they. Shoes?

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Yeah, I mean it'd be interesting just to start. You know,
you do see some people that wear them around all
the time, and there is good science behind them, absolutely,
because you know it's crazy that we weig you have
feet into these shoes. I mean, look at case you go.
But but yeah, the people that you see, I mean,
if you try, if you go to a job interview
and some barefoot shows with the toes, you're not getting

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that job. You're not getting that job.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
You're not even getting a word. Oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. It is nine to three.

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Speaker 25 (01:15:47):
I love running. The freedom, the fresh air, the grounding,
get away from all the stress in your family's life.
It's just amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Do you love the running? Do you love the run after,
during and before? Or is it during and after or
you know, you know what I'm saying, but I'm already yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:16:13):
I just love being out in the fresh.

Speaker 25 (01:16:14):
Air and running through bush. Running on the road, you know,
it's not not as good, not as satisfying, But if
you're run along the beach or the bush, you know,
it's just a different world that lot of people don't
have time to sample anymore. I ran my first marathon
in nineteen eighty two. It was a sitch a marathon.
I was exactly thirty years old. So I'm, you know,

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work it out on seventy two. Now it's coming on
seventy three. And I did it for one reason. And
you won't believe this, it's so dumb. So Corny made
an Australian boss at the time, living in Auckland, and
so is he and he and I never really got on.
And he said you'll never ever run a marathon.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
I said why not?

Speaker 19 (01:16:58):
He said, you're not good for it.

Speaker 25 (01:17:00):
I said, well you want to put some money on it, Yes,
I've got ten bucks on it. Ten bucks. And I
completed the marathon in four hours and twenty three minutes
and I had great pleasure and taking the ten backs
off in Australian I beat you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Then, well done.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
That's great motivation. That's fantastic motivation. Show them eighty two. Yeah,
when did jogging start? So eighty two is quite early
on to be running marathons, isn't. It's a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Jogging kind of originated in the what mid eighties? Right,
couple of texts to the news.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
The text so I agree with one hundred percent, and
it's the lying to yourself to make yourself run. So
what you do is, if you don't want to go
for the run, you say to yourself, Yep, I'm just
gonna run three k. I'm just gonna run three k.
I'll just get out the door and I'll start running
and I'll run three k. And then when you get
to three k you go, aha, sucked in, we're running
ten k and you keep running, but you've already started running,

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so you've just it's a weird sort of psycho split
personality thing. But you can lie to yourself to get
out the door and then you go it was soccer sucker,
we go a mess, idiot.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Thank you very much for that. Really enjoyed the phone
calls and the ticks on that one. Coming up after
three o'clock, we want to talk about the best pub
in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
That's right, We're going from running to the pub in
New Zealand's best Guestro pub News coming up.

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Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
It's Mattie and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo XC
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Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
SEV.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Good afternoon to you, Welcome back into the program seeven
pass three. Great to have your company as always. So
let's have a chat about the greatest pubs in the country.
The Top fifty New Zealand Gestro Pub Awards were held
last night and the Supreme Champion was awarded to The
Fat Duck in Tiano, beautiful part of the country. So

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to chat about what makes a great pub, we're joined
by one of the owners of the Fat Duck. Selena writes,
good afternoon, Selena.

Speaker 28 (01:19:07):
Hi, how are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Fantastic? What makes your Fat Duck so good?

Speaker 29 (01:19:14):
I think that what makes us Fat Duck so good
is it's got to be all about the team. We've
got this amazing team of people who are really passionate
about what they do. It's not just the food, it's
the hospitality. They care about each other, they care about
the community, and yeah, I think that's all part of
what makes makes us the best guest strop Hub brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
And where did the name fat Duck come from?

Speaker 16 (01:19:41):
Oh?

Speaker 29 (01:19:41):
My gosh, Oh, We're perfectly honest with you.

Speaker 25 (01:19:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 29 (01:19:46):
We actually we purchased Cam and I have owned the
restaurant for nine years, and when we purchased it, it
already had that name, So we can't take credit for
the name.

Speaker 30 (01:19:56):
I'm afraid.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Well, you didn't ask, you know, you didn't know. We're
just buying this part. We're signing the papers.

Speaker 29 (01:20:02):
We really should have.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Well, well, it makes me hungry the name for it.
But anyway, not a huge population in ta now Life.
What is it three thousand people? Is it mainly locals
that come into to your pup or is it tourists.

Speaker 29 (01:20:14):
We're a really touristy town, so we're the gateway through
to Milford Sound and Doubtful Sounds. So in summer we
do the town does have a massive influx of tourists
and that would be our main clientw But yeah, through
winter when the tourists have gone, we do have quite
a few locals come through and we always love to
see the locals come out. Quite often they'll avoid coming

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out in summer and winter's kind of the time to
come and have a meal.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Tell us about the process process that you went through
to win this prize.

Speaker 29 (01:20:47):
So they open up applications. So we put in our application,
we have descriptions, we submit menus, and then there are
four judges that are judging the competition and they look
at their application, they look at their menus, they look
at their reviews. They have a sort of a whole
bunch of criteria that they look at, and then from

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there they narrow it down to the fifty best guestropubs
in New Zealand, and then from there they award regional
winners and also won overall Supreme winner.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
And so you came up for the awards.

Speaker 29 (01:21:23):
We did absolutely so we won the lowest South Island
which was fantastic, and then yeah, we were taken quite
by surprise last night when we won the overall Supreme
award as well, So that was pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Did you deliver a decent speech?

Speaker 29 (01:21:38):
Oh, Ken did the speech? It was pretty short, to
be honest, I think we're so. It was pretty short.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Yeah, fantastic. Can I wute a couple of things past you,
Selena and what I think makes a great pub and
see if the Fat Duck has it?

Speaker 6 (01:21:51):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Absolutely, live music, Oh.

Speaker 29 (01:21:54):
My goodness the first question. So we used to have
live music really regularly. Now we kind of have it
occasionally when we can. We're a small town, so we
don't have a heap of options around live music here,
but when we can do all right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
There's a great band that's not too far from you,
covers being called the wheel Wolves of Lumsden. If you
if you're looking for some great covers, it's a good name.
Ah right, Yeah, that's a good name.

Speaker 20 (01:22:18):
We'll have to give them.

Speaker 29 (01:22:19):
About happy hour, Absolutely happy hour from five to six
every day.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
Fantastic. Do you have the odd meat raffle every now
and again?

Speaker 29 (01:22:30):
Do you know we do not have the odd meat raffle.
We are probably more restaurant than pubs, so meat raffles
not quite acting. And there is another place in town
that does a great meat wrestle.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
So yeah, I'm anti meat raffle. I've won meat raffles
a couple of times. Nothing that you don't you don't
know what to do with them.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Yeah, it's pretty awkward.

Speaker 29 (01:22:48):
Yeah, beat a good meat Raffle.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
One night, I want to meet Raffel. Ended up putting
it down in front of my pants and walking around
all night with it and then woke up with It's
still I'm hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
What about the quiz night? Is that still a thing?
The quiz night?

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
Oh?

Speaker 29 (01:23:02):
Quiz nights? Again, we're not really that venu And there
are a couple of other places that's here now that
you are fantastic night.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
So how many how many pubs you've got in now?

Speaker 29 (01:23:12):
Oh gosh, we have got We're definitely more gastro pubs,
certainly more restaurants style. I'd say we've definitely got a
good three or four sort of pubs, but they do
have restaurants attached as well. Yeah, and then we've got

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some great offerings in terms of restaurants and cuisine here
in Tian now for the size of the town.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Yeah, And what's your go to on the dinner?

Speaker 12 (01:23:41):
Mean you?

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
For you personally?

Speaker 29 (01:23:44):
Oh, you can't beat the Loumina Lamb. It's absolutely fabulous.
I don't think we've ever had a you know, a
negative comment about it. Everyone comes and they absolutely love it.
But I would also always recommend a couple of small
plates to share a little bit of sharing and try
a little bit extra.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Look, I'm just looking at the menu you call the
fat Dark. If I went to the fat Dark, I'd
expect to get a fat dark. You've got the fat
pet Hay, and you've got that, You've got the duck Wanton's.

Speaker 29 (01:24:12):
We've got duck Wanton's yet.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
But you're not just slapping a big fat duck on
a plate and wiling it out, you know what.

Speaker 29 (01:24:18):
I am definitely gonna put that request into the ship
for the next menu change.

Speaker 6 (01:24:23):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Well, congratulations. I guess the final question key we tennis
to Luluson was from Tianna. Wasn't she just lu Lusan
ever coming to the Fat Duck when she's in town.

Speaker 29 (01:24:36):
Oh, I don't know if she's been in to be honest,
I know she was here recently with the tennis club.
I haven't personally seen her in, but maybe we should
send her an invite next time she's in town.

Speaker 11 (01:24:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Absolutely, Selena has been great to test you and congratulations
once again for the award and hopefully we'll be down
there to see you soon and have some duck wantons.

Speaker 29 (01:24:58):
Yep, that sounds good, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
There, there you go, the Supreme Champion at the twenty
twenty five New Zealand Guestro Pub Awards.

Speaker 15 (01:25:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.
Now we want to put it to you what is
the greatest pub in your area of New Zealand. Clearly
the Fat Duck took it out for the Supreme Champion
award at the guest Ro Pub Awards, but we want
to hear from you. What is the greatest pub in
New Zealand in your eyes? And what makes a great pub?

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
This text says, get with the program, guys. It's gestro pub.
Gestro is in gestronomy, is in food, so don't expect
meat raffles like bands and other things in the restaurant.
Yeah I mean what, Yeah, Tyler, it's a Guestro pub.
Yeah yeah, yeah, now I know, now, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
It's a simple man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
It's a gestro pub. And this text is a pedant.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Yeah, if you want to abuse me, I'm up for
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty What is the
best pub in New Zealand gestro pub if you will
in your own eyes?

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
And what do you demand from a pub? Gestro pub
or any kind of pub? What do you demand or
what do you want? What makes you happy?

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Let's get into it. It is fourteen past three, good afternoon,
it's seventeen past three. And what is the best pub
guest thro a pub in New Zealand's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Yeah, any kind of pub. Getting so many ticks for
swashbucklers in Auckland, which is west Haven Marina, which is
a great pub that I go to quite a lot. Yeah,
sit out along on the boardwalk there and you can
maybe see an eagle ray over the edge, and you
get a massive plate of deep fried seafood and some drugs.
Beautiful spots, wash washbucklers. Yeah, I mean you're going you

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to Auckland, Yes, washbucklers on a nice day. It doesn't
get much better right on the harbor.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Yeah, empy days, beautiful spot, good seafood. Jason, how are
you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (01:26:42):
Good afternoon, gentlemen. How are you doing today?

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
God?

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Ah, Now you've packed an absolute beauty, isn't it a beauty?

Speaker 7 (01:26:50):
I mean, how can you top Kadrona in the Cadrona Valley. Yeah,
a GC kid running the joint and his head chef
and in the kitchen just cuts up the best local
fair you can possibly think of, and they support local
So why wouldn't you go there?

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
It's such an iconic pub, isn't it? In fact so iconic?
For a while there was a replica of it just
down from me on Normanby Street in Auckland they built
a giant Codrona pub.

Speaker 7 (01:27:20):
Is an icon and you can get a Royer Burn
Lamberger and they have.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Swift Carlos's beer.

Speaker 7 (01:27:27):
Is that I might be a bit my bias. I
may or may not be sitting at Royer Burn working
for Nadia.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
And yeah it's a good it's a good drop that.
Have you ever stayed the night at the Kadrona I We've.

Speaker 7 (01:27:40):
Had, Yes, I have. We've had staff dues there and
some if you have a staff do at Cadrona you
shouldn't drive home.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
No, it's a fantastic spot. It's always it's always very
busy and very popular. But did you get attacked by
a ghost in the middle of the night.

Speaker 7 (01:27:55):
No, I would like to get attacked by the night.
You'd have a story so have either one of you, gentlemen,
actually had a Swifty before you know what it?

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Yeah? I know I've had a number of swift these
Carlos gave me yet six pack when he was up
here recently.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Yeah, I haven't. Can you can you try and describe
the taste? What sort of beer is you?

Speaker 7 (01:28:14):
Do you remember when beer was beer? Yes, that's what
swifty is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Oh, that's a good tagline, when beer was beer.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Now. The thing about the Kadrona, that's so good. And
you know there's always stories of ghosts at the Kadrona,
but low ceilings, low ceilings and small doors. It's just
so legit shist of fields. And you've got a de
tuned piano and untuned piano, so whatever your planet sounds
like an old old Wiston bar.

Speaker 22 (01:28:39):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:28:39):
Absolutely classic vision.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
And gentlemen, ye cranking fire as well, Jason, that's a
beauty Thank you ever down there?

Speaker 7 (01:28:45):
Thanks guys, you have a really good day.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
You two. Jason. If you're down there, I get over
the Crown Range and and go to the Codrona. It's
just such a great, such a great put yep.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
Guys, real pubs have meat raffles, real beer and horse racing. Yeah,
I mean the the hardcore heaven in New Zealand would
would have all of those things.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Another great Auckland pub is the North Cote Town Tavern.
That's that's a great spot, the North Coast North Cote Tavern.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
I've got some work to do this this weekend, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:29:14):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
There you said over the shore first, first left over
the bridge and you'll get to the North Cote Tavern eventually.
And it's just a good old school pub. And you
know it's the it's got the huge grass but out
so you know there's there's a room for thousands. But
it also contracts to being a really nice, warm pub.
This is a place you can play, play, play that plate.

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You know, you can throw a few bucks at the
ponies as well.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
There we are. That's it. This is a great email, guys.
You have to mention the Sefton Pub in North Canterbury,
the Angler's Arms. The owner refuses to do deals with
a lot of the big breweries, so its independent. All
handles six bucks, all spirits seven dollars. In the menu,
kids meals from five bucks, burger and chips from eight bucks,
and a Rabbi steak genuine three centimeter thick huge steak

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with chips, egg and salad twenty four bucks. Average meal
is around fifteen dollars on the menu and they are beautiful.
The interior is a time warp of the seventies, but
it is the best pub in New Zealand with the
best owner. His name is Toby. I'm about to hit
there now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Oh yeah, good on you. It seems about the right
time to have hit there. Three three twenty yeah, three
twenty one. It's good time to go to the pub.
But is more than any other kind of eatery or
you know, a restaurants as the pub judged by the
quality of its stay. So you can't have a quality
pub if it can't deliver a quality steak definitely, yeah,

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and probably a quality burger yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
And how many sources would you require for that steak
in terms of choices? Wow, so we've got the pepper corn. Yeah,
you'd want maybe a nice mushroom.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Yeah, maybe the mushroom, yeah, the garlic butter, Oh, garlic butter. Yeah,
the garlic butter. That's maybe a red wine. You for
a fancy place, the munga fi mango fi t haven fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
So anyway, I wait under at eighty ten eighty we're
talking about pubs, what do you need in them? And
what's a great pub in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
It is twenty two past three.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on Youth Talk ZV.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Good afternoon. We've asked the question what is the best
pub gastro pub in New Zealand on the back of
the New Zealand Gastro Pub Awards. The supreme champion was
the Fat Duck in Tiano and we chatted to the owner.
She was absolutely delightful. But we've all got our favorite
pubs and we want to hear yours. Oh eight hundred
and eighty teen eighty is the number to call. Some

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good texts coming through. Oh yeah, a lot for the
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Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Okay, thank you, Ben. Best pub in New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (01:31:50):
Well you just it's a tough question, man, and you've
just raised another topic when you spoke about Mang five seven,
Because I just went out there for a random check
place out been up to the pub. No speaking much
and fat pretty drop we're playing. Another time, I was
coming back from a day's snowboarding is down South and

(01:32:12):
I was going through myth and the exponents were on
the You've got the places like.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
The Brown or the Blue and.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
It's a good place.

Speaker 15 (01:32:23):
And then you've got places like this Becking crostage here
where I am now, and hometown. You know old places
they're not no longer there, but like the Ducks Deluxe
where you know, setting out a dub and the old
famous ginger beer used to get sued in there. But look,
I've actually rung up to speak about two pubs. Sorry
to say this is my this is the year. There's

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two of them that I just can't decide. The old Metatah,
the Medta Hotel, memories plenty, Yeah, yeah, And you drive
into the place and it's someone's crossed out. The signis
is welcome to Metatara and they've put COONa instead. You've

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got couna matata. But that part of me and it
was just awesome. There was a faro playing the guitar
and front of the fire and he's taking requests and
I even I even said songs the swing and next
minute he's doing that with all the lips and he's
busting listening out in front of the fire. Everybody's singing.
And then when the pub closed, the pub the whole

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bar was lined with crates and everybody took off down
to the beach and someone lit a bonfire and the
rest of the night continued down to the beach. But yeah,
that was out of just an awesome pub there. But
the south Sea Hotel. Don't go past good old Open
and Rocus Stuart Island. The south Sea Hotel is Yeah,

(01:33:48):
it's it's my favorite place just for for everything you
know from uh and whatever you do, don't don't put
a coin on the pool table because you'll never leave.

Speaker 13 (01:33:59):
You never leave.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
This is down in Stuart Island.

Speaker 15 (01:34:02):
This was Stuart Island, man, that that place just yeah,
I shouldn't say that because if I did advertise it,
it wouldn't be what it is. You know, it's it's
a it's so beautiful because is that a.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Record scratch when you go in kind of pub, like
if you if you're out of town and you going,
anyone turns and looks at you.

Speaker 15 (01:34:20):
You go in there, You go in there and yeah
you do the music stops and it's so who's this
But they call us loopies loopy the tourist season, we're loopies.
But you go in there. I went in there talking
about fishing, trying to find someone who who knew the fishing,
and I ended up with the next morning at six
o'clock out on a boat because I met a guy
down the bee was down in the back in the corner,

(01:34:42):
and his name was Fluff. Ye Fuff, if you're listening,
thank you for that day on the boat, you know,
And it was his mate's name. His mates couse like
he was from top Gun. But yeah, we we had
an absolute cracker of a day, blue cot on, power
on you name it, and huge muscles and huge power,

(01:35:04):
huge kinners too. But the fond memories of of those
two places Meditator Hotel and me and Open. So one
thing I've learned about the whole thing is you stay
away off the beaten track and those little poky corners
you find the best pubs.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Ye, thank you for that. Now, race is an interesting question.
You know you've asked the covers band to play Sulton's Swing.
It's a very difficult song. So if someone knows that
and they can whip it, out, they're very glad that
you asked it. But at pubs, what is the etiquette
on requests from the covers band? Because I was at
the Blue Door Pub and Arrowtown not so long ago,
and I absolutely punished the covers band to play wagon Wheel. Absolutely,

(01:35:47):
Me and my partner, We've had a few drinks and
we just will relentless and until they finally played wagon Wheel.
And then and then we sat down and we thought
we want to hear wagon wheel again? Oh no, So
we went up and then then I woke up the
next day and I thought, therese what an absolute punisher,
just demanding wagon wheel over and over again from these
these musicians.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
One would have been enough, but they would get that
all the not wagon Well again, who's that asking?

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
But well, I would say it's it's neglectful of a
covers band not to play wagon will.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Did the people love it?

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
The people, yeah, the other pub goers, it's hard to
say we loved it. That's all that is.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
One and eighty one is the best pub in New Zealand.
Love to hear from you. Twenty nine Bus three.

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Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Thank you very much, Susie. And we're talking about the
greatest pub in New Zealand in your own eyes is
on the back of the Gastro Pub Awards that were
held in Auckland last night. The Supreme champion was the
Fat Duck in Tiano.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
The Upper North Island winner was Franklin's Barn Eatery in PUCACOI.
Lower North Island it's Thistleton and Wellington. You've got the
Upper South Island winner that was the Strawberry Tree in
Kaikuorta Lower South Island pub was the Fat Dark Guesstropub
and of course that won the Supreme championship as well.
And yeah there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Yeah love it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
But what do you think? And I tell you what
the amount of people that texting through swashbucklers here or swashies.
People have a great time a swashes. I've had a
great time of swashes.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
It sounds like a good time. This one. I can
attest to the Sprig and Fern tavern and brightwater near Nelson.
Nineteen taps of local Nelson craft beer inside of no TVs,
Pokey's or pool tables, just human connection, good times, chats
and laughs.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
At at the Reworker.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
I love the Rewalker. Yeah, dear yeah, yeah, good life
music at the Rewalker.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
I had a real shocker and Rewalker once.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
I've heard about that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Yeah, any the story, let's not talk about it, Maggie,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 28 (01:38:58):
Oh hi, our pa Jonah. Lamb chops amazing. We used
to go to Queenstown and mon occur a lot am Monica,
but the best meal, honesty, one night coming in starving
and their lamb chops and mashed potato and lady parrots.
We repeated the rest of these so many times and

(01:39:20):
we just named it cardrone the Chop. It was amazing,
It truly is. But whether they still serve it, it's
seen a while. But I just had to give Cardrona
a leg up on that one because that was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Yeah. Well you have to have, you know, if you're
going to be where the Codrona Hotel is, you're going
to have to have some good comfort food.

Speaker 11 (01:39:38):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 28 (01:39:40):
Well it was this cold night and we had a
busy day and just being able to sit there with
that and I mean enormous meal. But it's still no
lamb chops amazing than.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
It is hearty hearty food at the Cadrona. I mean
that is part of what makes a good pub is
a lot of food and hearty food.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
They were a good pub Nacho's, Yeah they do. Actually yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
Again another one for Swashbucklers. Yeah, I love the wash Buglers.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
Matthew best pub in New.

Speaker 30 (01:40:11):
Zealand, Well I think I think, Well the piano. Isn't
it just because the heap of tourists go there because
there's no other place to eat down there?

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Maybe? Well, well, to be fair, it wasn't. It wasn't
judged by the tourists. It was judged by a nationwide panel.

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
Okay, okay, fair enough, fair enough.

Speaker 30 (01:40:34):
The bed pub in Christ I'd have to say, would
be Moon Underwater in Summerfield. I've got voted by Avenue right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
There must be a new one as a myth. You
haven't heard of that one, The Moon Underwater.

Speaker 30 (01:40:45):
It's bloody god. I've got about twenty taps that changed
Crafty's Matt runs. That's got games. There are no TV
you can take your dog. It's always pumping like you
can never get a feed in there. It's like it's cracking,
cracking bloke.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
Yeah, so is it?

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
And is it named after the George Orwell essay, I.

Speaker 30 (01:41:07):
Have no probably knowing Matt, it probably would be.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
It's quite an intellectual name for a pub.

Speaker 30 (01:41:13):
Yeah, yeah, but it's a great pub.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
It's a great time.

Speaker 30 (01:41:16):
I'm supprised you never went Tyler when you're.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Down here, I am too.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
That's why I'm asking, has it been there? Kind of
been there long? Is it for a couple of years?
Shame on, shame next.

Speaker 30 (01:41:29):
Time you come down you must. But as also the
muscle in the muscle ends okay, up Golden Bay. I
preferred Twinkies and Collingwood's a way better pubs, down down
to earth sort of pub.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
But there's more under Yeah, there's more things I think
that happen at Twinkies and Collingwood rather than the Muscle,
and you know, things that you might not want to
tell too many people about.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Well, so that the Moon Underwater that essay was about
was Georgia hil just writing what the perfect pub has
to have. So it'd be interesting to take that essay
into the Moon under the Water and they're just going
they have to be. He must be listening off things.

Speaker 30 (01:42:09):
He's got board games.

Speaker 15 (01:42:10):
You can take your dog in there.

Speaker 30 (01:42:12):
They do good food, good planners. The beer and gravy
is always good, always goes down well, and chip chips
and gravy always goes down well. But yeah, now it's
a quality pub. Just a shame you spend like dirty
back for two pins, you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Know, yeah, yeah, Well he says that that a good pub.
George Orwell thought a good pub had to have liver
sausage sandwiches. So you know, I think things might have
changed a bit since ninety forty six.

Speaker 27 (01:42:40):
And you're not going to.

Speaker 30 (01:42:41):
Play wagon Wheel for the Friday song for the topic
of the week.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
That'd be something you'd do.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
I would do that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
It would be played twice as well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Are you requesting it?

Speaker 12 (01:42:51):
He will.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Give you a call. And I'm looking forward to checking
out The Moon Underwater. I'm down down and christ Chitch
next weekend, so I'll hit along. I'll check it out
and I'll bring a print out of the George yl
saying and I'll tick things off. I'll do.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
Guys, the Fox and Grapes in the Mortardy Tasman and
also the Dobson, dobs and Garden and Blenham.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
I think that is well, this is interesting. This is
something that someone doesn't like in pubs because it's been
extremely positive about pubs and what people want. But this
text to Mark says if you can take a dog in,
I'll stay away. So he doesn't like pubs with dogs
in them.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
What's wrong with your Mark?

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Come on dog pub if Mark, if you met my
dog Colin, then you would change your Tuneellia.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
Colin's a good boy. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. It is twenty one to four.
Back very shortly here on news Talks, heb the issues that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
Affect you and if it have fun along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
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Speaker 22 (01:43:56):
Have it all.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
News Talk said, be good afternoon. It's nineteen to four.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
I've gone deep into this nineteen forty six essay by
George Orwell on the perfect pub called the Moon and Water,
which a pub's named itself. I assume after this that
would make perfect sense. Would be crazy if this it's
crazy coincidence if they named their pub the Moon Underwater
in christ Titch and it wasn't related to this. But
George Orwell ninety forty six hads some very very very

(01:44:23):
specific things he demanded to have a pub, so this
one's great. The bar maids know the customers by name
and take an interest in everyone. It must sell tobacco
and cigarettes, aspirins and stamps, and should be obliging with
anyone wanting to use the telephone. That sentient. If there
is a creamy draft stout must be on the menu

(01:44:45):
with George on that, he says. The pub must be
quiet enough to talk with the house, possessing neither a
radio nor a piano.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
Wow, there didn't like noise.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
There are particularly about their drinking vessels at the Moon
Underwater and never, for example, make the mistake of serving
a pint of beer in a handless glass. It's not
a fan of the schooner.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
And he liked the liver sandwiches as well.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
Yeah, yes, I'm looking forward to going to the Moon
under the Water and Moon the Moon Underwater in christ
Church and ticking those things off. I'm looking for the
liver sausage sandwiches.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Boys, the Parrot Dog and Lyle Bay. Wellington has awesome dogs, parrots, kids,
great food, mbers. You can't beat it from Vinnie Oh.
The Caragling Pub is fantastic. A lot of people texting
through the Curraglon plub. I've played there a number of times,
and bands of the years stayed there in accommodation.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Which is but dodgetally to be whereabouts?

Speaker 26 (01:45:36):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
It's a near coraman Ah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
Nice. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call, Morris, How.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
Are you good?

Speaker 11 (01:45:47):
Boys? There's only one pub. It's got to have good
beer yep, good people, yep, clean toilets, wonderful food in
the pub. I'm going to mention is regularly, is it?
Michael Van the owls and is a pretty good budge
of food because he thinks the kid's the best booder
he's ever had. And that's the one only who are
by Kevin? You go there and the people are really nice.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Yet you invited me out for a drink there, didn't
you just a few days ago?

Speaker 13 (01:46:14):
Yep?

Speaker 11 (01:46:14):
And the food there is so good. But she cleans
every Monday, Gale seventy eight knocking on. You know, heavans
do all sort of age. She's out there every Monday
morning at six o'clock cleaning it. She cleans all in
lines and all the regular as crock with good old
traditional pub did away with the pool table. She had
more money out of people eating food. And you've got
a garden bay, You've got everything you want. And the

(01:46:35):
locals from eighteen year olds through the knocking on Evans
door rage, the local country village club down the road
have got They all go there for lunches and dinners
and all the rest of it. And it's actually community.
And I saw an other guy there one day and
I didn't even know him, and he thought they want
to be made and he introduced me to himself and
I said, oh, how do you know each other? Because
I've just met him. And this broke the old daves

(01:46:56):
a bit of a surfer. This guy was here surfing
and he gave him a plate whole on a freezing
The other guy crews run the North Island surfing with all.

Speaker 14 (01:47:02):
His mates, and he met him at the pub.

Speaker 11 (01:47:04):
You know, only had one beer with him.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Has has it still got a big red roof?

Speaker 23 (01:47:09):
Yeah, because it's on that TV.

Speaker 11 (01:47:10):
But on the TV and they bugged out the Lion
Reid signed, But all that's there. Yes, there's regulars on
the tank out of the back and every time one
of the regulars passes the way they've got a plant
in the garden to the fifty of them these days.

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
Good spot for the good spot for the live bands.

Speaker 11 (01:47:25):
Mars every Sunday there's a live band, would be Sunday
in the summer and she's got a stage out of
the thing and but she's been here for suity or
years going nowhere, you know. And that's that's what I
think makes the pub, the publican and the people and the.

Speaker 6 (01:47:40):
Beer good on you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
Marus does Texas agrees with that. But as little ass
I see, Murray says, any pub that has beer is
a great pub. I appreciate that that that level of
you know, being that easily satisfied, because I tell you what,
a pub without a beer is not a great thing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
No, that's not a good put.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
Fact, there's a song about that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
Yeah, guys. Best pub in the North Island is North
kit Tevern again another one for North teven, Great teen Bear,
Epic Food Tab and Pokey's as well as the garden bar.
Garden bar is essential. Gotta have a garden bar, guys,
Luke's Kitchen and Kuatunu best beach bar in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
Yeah, people love their pubs, don't they. People are passionate
about it. There's thousands of texts coming through fall lines.
People just love their parts.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Something kiwi about it, isn't it. Uh, we've got time
for another couple of calls. One hundred and eighty ten
eighties and number to call Pete. What do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Well?

Speaker 17 (01:48:41):
Three weeks ago I went to a pub I hadn't
been to for over thirty years, and that was the
Pooh Hoyt.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Yeah oh, an absolute classic.

Speaker 17 (01:48:51):
Yeah, and I was pleased to say I walked in
and after thirty plus years, the notes, but the dollar notes.

Speaker 19 (01:48:57):
And stuff stilled from all over the world are still
stuck on the.

Speaker 6 (01:48:59):
Ceilings and the walls.

Speaker 15 (01:49:01):
The bounced checks, which probably.

Speaker 16 (01:49:03):
A lot of your younger listen don't even know where
the is.

Speaker 14 (01:49:07):
They still had the bounce I said to the barbles
over many for three years again, welcome back date, Welcome
back nice.

Speaker 15 (01:49:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Did they have four hundred motibikes out the front?

Speaker 27 (01:49:16):
No, it didn't that day, but yeah, my recollecte was
that it was used to be like that.

Speaker 17 (01:49:20):
But yeah, still they've done up reguard for a few
more places these days.

Speaker 19 (01:49:24):
But you still recommend it, As we said three weeks ago,
the first time.

Speaker 6 (01:49:27):
It's thirty years and it's still still delivered.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
That's good to hear. Thanks for your call, Pete, Yeah,
thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Right, coming up very shortly, we're going to have a
chat to Hospitality New Zealand Chief executive Steve Armitage. He
was at the awards last night for the Best Gastro
Pub and he knows a bit about what makes a
great pub. So that's coming up very shortly, but I
think we've got time for Paul before we get to Steve.
Get Paul, God, what's your pub?

Speaker 13 (01:49:58):
Hey?

Speaker 19 (01:49:58):
The and Richmond and Richmond to see Adda Nelson The
Dirty Old Gutter. Everyone knows the Gutter. Yeah, yeah, she's
the EXAs the opposite of Guestro Pub. But you don't
come out of the air being disappointed, because the whole
reason is you don't go in expecting anything.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
You know, But.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Paul, is the name of the club the Dirty Old Gutter,
or it's the Gutter and you're calling it the dirty
Old Gutter.

Speaker 19 (01:50:26):
It was called the Star and Garter for forever and
then then got renamed to the to the Star. But
everyone local just knows the Dirty Old Gutter.

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
For a long time. Paul that was That was the
only pub in Richmond, wasn't it? And it was pretty phenomenal.
That was the only pub that man, she was good
times in the Star and.

Speaker 19 (01:50:44):
Garter, Hey, exactly. And there was always you know, there
still is cheraoke with shares on a Thursday, Friday Saturday night,
you know.

Speaker 22 (01:50:52):
And there's.

Speaker 27 (01:50:54):
Thursday Thursday nights there's the meat reffels and Friday Friday
after work there's the roast pauk sandwiches.

Speaker 19 (01:51:02):
With chips and gravy.

Speaker 14 (01:51:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:51:03):
Hey, you know it's bloody good to beers cold. The
bar staff name your name, and you know the car
but the carpet was the same.

Speaker 27 (01:51:11):
In nineteen ninety nine when I left Nelson.

Speaker 23 (01:51:14):
And.

Speaker 19 (01:51:16):
In twenty sixteen it's exactly the same place. It's it's
just a statist.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Yeah, thank you very Starr and Galla and Omrou as well. Yes,
that is that a kind of a name that pubs
sometimes have. Maybe it must have been a French more
of a restaurant and am yeah, starring Gader. It sounds
like a house of disrepute.

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
Certainly is right coming up very shortly. We're going to
have a chet to hospitality New Zealand Chief Executive Steve Armitage.
It is eleven to four.

Speaker 5 (01:51:43):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
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to detail and a commitment to comfort.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
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Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
It is eight to four and as we've been talking
about the greatest pubs in New Zealand, it is a
pleasure to chat to Steve Armitage, the chief executive of
Hospitality New Zealand.

Speaker 20 (01:52:08):
Get Steve good afternoon, gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
Tell us about these Gastro pub Awards.

Speaker 17 (01:52:14):
Oh well, look, can I first of all just thank
you both and your listeners for the love that you've
been showing towards gastro pubs and pubs up and down
the country. It's just been music to my ears. And
I know a lot of our members will be appreciating
the rfee that is being expressed towards them over the
course of the afternoon, so that's amazing. But it was
a great occasion last night. But people are so dedicated

(01:52:35):
and committed to their craft that they're almost apologetic being
away from their businesses for a night. So you could
see you know, the recognition sometimes set a little bit
uneasily on their shoulders, but it was great to hear
you talking to one of the co owners from the
Fat Duck, and you know, there's such deserving winners when.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
Steve, when does a pub become a gastro pub and
not just a pub that serves food.

Speaker 17 (01:52:59):
A gastro pub probably sways more towards being a bit
of a hybrid between a restaurant and a pub. There's
usually some elements on the menu that traditional pubgoers might
think a little bit fancy, and certainly, if you look
at the winners last night, a really strong reflection in
the menus of local produce and particularly strong offerings around
seafood and game, which were signature dishes for New Zealand.

(01:53:23):
And so some of that authenticity coming through in the
way that they're presenting their food and the passion that
they're bringing to the plates as a key to winning
these type of accolades.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
Right, So, a deep frier and some you know, some
chips and a bit of a steak isn't enough to
make you a guestro pub.

Speaker 17 (01:53:39):
Not not on this particular occasion, but of course those
have a place. We've all been into those those pubs
and they do a huge amount of work within their
respective communities. There's nothing wrong with that at certainly about
those that are going the extra mile and showcasing the
talent that they have, particularly in their kitchens.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
Yeah, what is this something that makes New Zealand pubs
and gestro pubs unique in the world, Steve. We love
our pubs, clearly over the last hour we've heard that
and there is something sort of quintessential about our Kiwi pubs.
But how would you sum up what makes it it
kind of special to New Zealand culture.

Speaker 17 (01:54:14):
I don't I don't think that we are unique in
having a pub culture. You know, that's certainly part of
the being the colony. I suppose we've picked that up
from from our British heritage and the history that you see,
you know, when you go into a pub in the UK,
some of those pubs have been around for literally hundreds
of years. But what I think we have that is
a little bit different, is much more a stronger focus

(01:54:36):
I think on people, you know, and that's come through
really clearly in the comments I've heard from your callers
throughout the course of today. There's there's often been references
to the people on both sides of the bar. It's
not just the people who are providing the establishment, it's
the characters and the personalities that are that are the
frequent the customers that are coming in the door that
I think create that appeal and that sense of community.

(01:54:58):
And ultimately, you know, all of our experiences in a
pub are based on emotion. There's highs and lows, sometimes
both ends of the picture on the same night. But
you're ultimately creating memories that you you refer back to.
And I heard Matt talk about the chaper and Rewoker,
and I'm sure that conjures up a lot of emotions
back for you, but in many of the listeners. But
you know, that's that's what's at the heart of it,

(01:55:19):
is creating that sense of connection and those memories that
you take forward and pass on.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
Well, to be fair, I don't have a lot of
memories of that night, but generally I would hope to
leave with some memories. So we're talking to Hospitality, the
New Zealand chief executive Steve Armitage. How is hospital going
to New Zealand at the moment, Steve, Look, it's still.

Speaker 7 (01:55:39):
It's still tough going.

Speaker 17 (01:55:40):
I think summer has been pretty pretty positive though we've
seen definitely an influx of international visitors, particularly noticeable uptake
in American tourists have been passing through New Zealand, so
most regions are reporting that business has been up on
previous years.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
Well, that's great news, fantastic, Steve. Thank you so much.
Great to chat with you, and as Steve see, go
and support the pubs, not like we need to be told,
but get behind them because it's what makes us country beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
Get stuck into the fat duck.

Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
Absolutely, thank you very much for today. We'll do it
all again tomorrow. We will see you then.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
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