June 16, 2025 • 42 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney assess the World Test Championship final, discussing how South Africa made it to the winner's circle.
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Speaker 4 (00:48):
Hello, We're back on the front foot and the review
of the World Test Championship Final. It delivers a surprise
winner or was it staged at Lord's? Apparently a sellout
allow on the opening of two days. It's seen therever
plenty of spare seats. Was a Test quality cricket fourteen
wickets on day one on day two? Was it the
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pitch or was it technique? It was it top class
following from both sides? Had the gloss gone from the
Ossie top automatic? Another cricket. We've got a New Zealand
a women's team heading for England for developmental experience. Good
stuff and remember this takes a peek back fifty years
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for a unique New Zealand performance.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Bear with me on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Here he goes.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
The bouncer.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Despite what the ICC cheerleaders previously known as Test Crickets
would tell you, it wasn't the brilliant finale for the
World Test Championship, the pinnacle game. That's my view anyway.
Even after the coin toss, which was made to look
like the climax scene from Ben Hur, it took to
the third day to see any batting of quality. We
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should have seen better from the two Test teams. One
of them hadn't played for five months, the other four
little build up. Oh boy, Sorry Jeremy Kaney is with us.
Sorry Jerry, but that's my view of the game show piece.
Am I right or wrong? You can hit my bouncer
for six.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Hello Wads from England. The weather is actually nice and
fine at the moment. I've come from from London up
to by train up to a place called Ketthering which
is on the on in the eastern side of England,
and with a mate and so that's that's where I
am at this morning speaking to you. It is morning here.
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That's an interesting idea you got, Wads. I thought the
game itself and you talk about the conditions.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's kind of like two tests.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
The first test being the first two days, and the
second test being so the last day and a third.
Certainly you you have been, as I have to Lords
a few times now. It's quite an intimate ground and
the sense that you can kind of see people and
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if you if you're sort of sort of friend coming
down from the other end, you can sort of wave
out to him because you can actually see them. And
it is quite close the whole ground. And that's that's
how it feels, you know, that hum they talk about
at Lord's Watch. You don't get that at many other grounds.
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And close can also be used as a description.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I think of.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
The weather and you get here, I think in England
that time between sort of spring and then going into
high summer, and you get quite a closed and enclosed,
close ground as well. And look, I just thought the
first two days, the ball itself, as you know a
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new duke, does move around a little bit more susceptible,
as every cricket ball is to barometric pressure. In other words,
there's more pressure on one side of the ball and
the other the ball starts to swing. And I just
felt that all you know, you're right about the number
of people.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I'll give you a Teck there.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I think the first couple of days it wasn't quite
the numbers that they were talking about, But it's hard
to overstate just how important the overhead conditions are at
Lords in the first couple of days, low cloud preventing
any moisture coming out of the ground, and they do
water those grounds, you know, they make them look very
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nice on the telly and all that stuff. They like
to see nice green grass, mowan in different ways and patterns,
and so the moisture comes up out of the ground
and if there's nowhere for it to go because there's
low clouds and everything, and there was and so therefore
was a good toss to win.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
It certainly does nip about. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
And I do feel that both sides had a very
much a reshaped top order, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And Australia they had Kwaja, but.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
He he who was really originally a middle order player,
and they tried to outlast the movement I think Australia
and so Kowaja was gone.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
They had a new opener in Lava Shane.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
They moved out that that movement of constance away from
opening was meant two different changes didn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It meant Labashane going up.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
He'd never opened before in a Test match, and it
meant bringing in cam Green who'd come from a second
division you know, play over in England and was put
up at number three where had never batted much before either.
And so it wasn't until you got down to Steve
Smith and also then to Head that you had two
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people in their usual positions. And I felt, I felt Rabada,
I don't know what you think. I think he's quite
a good bowler. Actually, I mean he's aker. Yeah, he's
like a lies not the place of Malcolm Marshall, but
he's kind of like that, but he seems that a
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bit more.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
He's at you all the time.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
And his five wickets in that innings in the first
innings certainly sorted Australia out. C Smith about it quite well,
didn't you think wads in those conditions?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Oh yeah, and you would expect it from a man
who hadn't played a lot of cricket. We were led
to believe that. The point that I want to make
and is both the sides were underprepared. They hadn't played
any proper cricket. Now we understand the first day of
a Test match, the ball is going to nip about
and it's kind to swing. But on television I didn't
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sense that it was untoward. There were so many players
beaten between bat and pad. I mean there was lbw's
and the stumps were hit where to my mind, you've
got to adjust your technique, don't you for first day
because you know it's gonna you know it's gonna have
a little bit of bounce, you know it's likely to swing.
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That to me is part of a Test cricket. Yet
both sides looked below par with the bat.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
No, I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
I've just got to say, I'm afraid it's now a
function of how we have moved away from openers, you know,
a specialist position. We don't have those or many of
them nowadays. What they are are middle order dashes, and
we've created them into openers like Ben Duckett for example,
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or Crawley, both middle order players. You don't get those
nuggety openers any longer. Who will you set out their
stall and not get beaten on the inside edge, but
in a bat in the pad, So you you know,
the Langers, the Bruce Edgars, those kinds of players, you
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know Boone who came up as well and became an
opener and then a number three as well. So they
do not exist around in our test cricket. I don't
think any longer. And I don't know how you feel
a bit like that. It's like pole of bears wads.
It's the habitat, you know, and they're being killed off
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just the same as the template nowadays is an opener
who dashes and scrashes his way to a quick thirty
off the first six or seven overs. That's how we've
got openers now, and they are loose and in those
conditions you get found out.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
And they're being picked for that. That's fair enough, that's
what the selectors want. But you get back to the scenario.
Oh that's how I play, so you know, I'll always
be on a hiding to nothing at times. Every now
and again it'll come off. But it's not, to my
mind the sort of thing that you expect quality Test cricket.
If you've played and they pay good money to get
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into the ground there at lords, don't they Oh yes,
don't believe. I mean you you were in the middle
of it, so you saw better than night and I'm
watching from television. I just thought both sides were let
down by poor batting against very good bowling. I mean,
that's as good a bowling as there's going to be
in any game, isn't the Aussie attack and also the
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South African attack. But to me, the first two game
days twenty eight wickets banged Test match over.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah, and then we got the second Test, which is
on the same one.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
If you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
As soon as those as soon as those low clouds
dissipated and in came the sun. Man did that pitch
just sort of it suddenly it looks straw colored and
well on that third days, you know, four wichs only,
that's right, and four wickets only fell. One was the
number ten, one was a number eleven, for heaven say,
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and then and then of course two wickets to the
new ball, you know, Rickleton, and then we Unmolder again,
someone who's reshaping his position at number three. So there
were lots of changes between these sides that they're not
They weren't quite at their best. I agree with you
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about a warm up game. The Aussies don't agree with that.
I brought that up in commentary and said don't you
think these these two teams might have done a little
bit better if they'd had a match before this? And
the assie turned to me and said, no, we don't
believe in that we practiced much better than playing in
the game.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Well, I don't believe that myself.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
I didn't answer, but my silence was supposed to project
that I thought South Africa. Certainly they did have a
bit of a match, I think, but yes, I agree
with you. And the pitch itself didn't look you know,
virulent green. They've got a new grounds there was. They
don't have Mick Hunt any longer. He's an Irish feller
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and he what's his name, Carl McDermott is his name.
And I'll tell you something else was you might know.
There's a New Zealand girl who was also on that
meg lay.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
She's from christ Church.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
She was an arable farmer doing pea harvests and things
like that in christ Church and she decided that okay,
I'm going to go to England and try and work.
She loves grass and she got a job at Bristol
and Gloucestershire under Seawan Williams and was there for a
couple of years and then she went to Edgeburston and
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she was actually in charge of an all women's ground
staff for the women's Ashes tests and the one that
was there in Edgebison, so that was quite a nice
touch all women playing in the Test match and in
the Ashes and then in all women's ground staff there.
And now she's come to Lord's Loves the job. She
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posts all the socials you know, and that's where you
will have may have heard about her. But I just,
I just I think it was great.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
That she was there.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
But I thought it was smart.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Did you get a telephone number?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Maybe I didn't. I'm sorry I didn't speak to her
at all.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
We could have put her on the program or nice
to have a child.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Well, there's no reason why we couldn't. Couldn't do that,
no reason at all. She actually goes to places like anfield,
you know, where they play all the footy as well.
So she's she's busy. She's a busy girl and she's
doing very very well, very well.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
So that's great. We'll try and get hold.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Yeah, absolutely, but just a quick thing on you know,
I think it was smart of South Africa to have
a crack first. It wasn't brave because the conditions were
such as a bit murky and our best chance of
winning the game is bowling first, and and it sort
of suited it. But Middlesex also who play there, obviously
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at Lord, if you look at the way their county
games have gone, if they've won the toss, they have
batted second and fourth because they know that if they
can last and get to a chase. In the last
innings they were getting chases like three hundred and fifty
and getting them, so they knew how the pitch was
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actually going. And obviously South Africa did as well. And
that's what we saw happen. Man, we saw some interesting
batting from South Africa. And that first innings, didn't we
And that first first day twenty odd overs for forty
runs or something. Man, I mean, I've never seen how
labored they were. They simply couldn't score could they couldn't
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even get singles.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
They was extraordinary, much more aggressive line on the second morning,
didn't they. It didn't die yet great degree, but they
showed an intention that they wanted to score runs and
compete rather than just occupy crease and make up the numbers.
Having put the opposition and bowl them for just over
two hundred. You know you're in you're in the box seat,
aren't you.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well you are, you got to You've got a chance then,
and they had. They had created that chance by bowling
Osie out for just over two hundred and ten.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
But their scoring was imperceptible.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
It sort of is.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
They sort of treated their crease as a layer and
they declined to come out of it.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
They they yes, they needed to stay in. Every batsman
needs to do that. But why why do you stay
in so you can score runs? And they forgot about
that part of the equation, it seemed to me. And
you're right, Bavooma came out and batted with Beddingham and
that first and news and at least they got to
one hundred and thirty and are behind about by seventy
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odd runs. And then you know, and then in came
Robarda again and instead of losing five wik it's quickly
this time between Barda and and Geedee, who improved his performance.
Suddenly they lost six wickets, didn't they And they were
in trouble of not setting a total at all Australia
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until and if here's a posit for you, odds. If
Australia on that third morning with a nice clear sky
and the straw.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Colored pitch, if instead.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Of being eight down there only they are only five down,
imagine what could have happened and changed in the game
with the conditions changing, you know, they could have posted
a hell of much a bigger total.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, bearing in mind the batting of Stark, Yeah, you're
probably right, but you look back at it and you've
been around some of the Australians must or shouldn't they
be worried about their batting lineup for the ashes coming
up because it doesn't seem to me to have the
fizz or sparkle that we expect. I know they'll be
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at home. Travis will be an important part, but what
about Kowaja and they haven't you know, they may have constants,
but he's got a bit of work to do to
become an international opener, hasn't He is their top six vulnerable?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Some of them are, and it tends to be at
the top in my opinion. But there's lots of talk
now wadds about that top order right now now, whether
Green goes down and he starts to bowl, because I mean,
at the moment that's why they had Bo Webster there
because they needed another bowler to give the four a break,
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and Mitch marsh was the one who was there. Wasn't
he against the India and he didn't bowl much because
he got injured. So they're having to re kind of
pick their side from the bowling point of view as well.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But Kwaja, yes, is a question, Laboshine.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
There are questions they're talking about Inglis coming in all
sorts of things they're talking about. They're creating middle order
players Brian, as I said before, and shoving them up
to open and forgetting that it is.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
It is a specialist position.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
You watch the line of the ball and it means
that you might miss out on a few drives because
the ball's full and you let it go and it
misses the stumps.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You know, those those kinds of things.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Because you're a line player, you watches as it's going
to hit the stumps first, if it's outside you're right eye,
you let her go and that's how you start to
learn to play the game. But they've got middle order
players who are dashers, and that's that's an issue that
they are having to confront. Kawaja seems kind of stuck
in the prease, doesn't he.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
He doesn't seem to want to play a shot well anyway,
has he? Not a big mover? Not a big mover?
Speaker 5 (17:59):
And then Lavashane, I look, he's just quite an eccentric player,
isn't he? And then Green pushing forward towards the line.
That's a middle order approach when the ball's moving around.
I thought Smith played a very good innings in the first.
In the first got about sixty odd, didn't he? But
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he was organized. He was waiting for the short ball
outside off and he had put it away behind point
or knock it on the on side when they tried.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
To hit his pads.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
So look, I think Australia do have issues. To answer
your question, it's number one, two, three, they've got a
four and a five. They're going to keep going with
Smith in head at number six. Whether that's cam Green
or not, we'll wait and see in seven carry. So
that part of the order I think is okay. I
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was pleased that's South Africa one. I don't mind bowlers
being in charge either wise. To be really honest with you,
I think the game is a better game when runs matter,
When you get a forty or a fifty, it counts,
and we just didn't kind of have enough players to
do that.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And the bowlers.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Were in charge in the first two days. And it
shows you how batting has changed. And that's a lot
of T twenty cricket. It's a lot of dashing cricket.
And that's the cost that it comes with if you
don't have a defense.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
So I don't mind that. I think you've got to
choose your sides for test cricket.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
It's a much more demanding game, isn't it. And you've
found out.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
YEP and Australia are going to be tested again, of
course because they're going to the Caribbean and the MASA
is going to Johannesburg. But they're not going to planning
test cricket.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
So well, I wonder, I wonder, what's do you think?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Now?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
They might they've got it. They might put pressure on
the South African cricket board to say, look, why aren't
we going to play Look, let's invite someone over to
play some tests, so all our you know, people who
are who w then there were a lot of South
Africans there, man, Yeah, and they have a little drink
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drink after the game and they will tell you what
they were. They were fathers and sons, they were grandfathers
and sons. You know, it was a generational thing and
some of those kids will remember that day and we
don't know just how keen they'll be on cricket, but
they may well become South African players themselves.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Who knows. You know what a little memory does for
a young lad.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
So the South African, the South African cricket board have
got to contain a load of Indian white balls which
they have to use up. And that's going to get
anyway their test cricket.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Well, I do hope that that changes. I hope that
they are able to get at least one team and
encourage them to get one team so everybody can watch
their winning side.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
And I was pleased.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Look at all the rubbish that were spoken beforehand about
these guys shouldn't be here, but that wasn't their fault.
We know that, we know the failings of the World Championship.
You know, different number of games, different it's just impossible.
They're all judged by a percentage figure, not just points,
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they're percentages and so look, I was really pleased that
they were competitive.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Yeah, well we're going to be. We're going to be
hearing from one of your old mates, John Parker's going
to talk about a record fifty years ago, Oh Daddy's
World Cup. Yeah, that's going to be with us. And
what I want to keep an eye on too, is
the New Zealand women's a squad. Eight or nine White
Ferns are in it. They're being coached by Brendan Donkers
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and they've also got some powerful coaching Peter Boren and
also Craig McMillan. So I applaud New Zealand Cricket for
sending those young ladies over there in New Zealand side,
not the frontline players, but some of us you've had
White Fern experience. We'll get a time over there. I
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think they start playing this coming weekend, so we'll follow
that with interest. Jerick.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I saw that sidewad or the or the squad.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I'm delighted that they are doing that and continuing what
we have been seeing about the development of younger players,
making them into better players.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And to have that many a coaches.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Brendan Donkers of course, Canterbury the bowling coach, and then
McMillan the batting coach. Those are good appointments. I think experienced,
experienced coaches assisting some of not just development players who
they've highlighted to say oh you could be you could
be something. But secondly some of them, as you say,
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Fern's player and developing and continuing that as well. I
think it's a nice mix and so well done New Zealand.
We often don't say well done to New Zealand, we
tend to criticize them a little bit, but I think
they're important. They are very important tours, these ones and
we might get suddenly two or three players and that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
On the front foot with Jeremy Coney and Brian Roddell,
thank you for joining us once again. Fifty years ago
this week opening, Glenn Turner created a piece of cricket history.
During the first ever World Cup. Turner scored the highest
individual title in a One Day International, previously one hundred
and sixteen by David Lloyd for England, Turner got one
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hundred and seventy one not out versus East Africa. It
was a score that was to last eight years until
June nineteen eighty three when cappal Dev did one hundred
and seventy five against Zimbabwe. One man he must have
had an important part in that and things was John Parker,
who scored sixty six or sixty eight balls and a
partnership of one hundred and forty nine with Turner after
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a labored beginning, a partnership that increased their tempo quite clearly,
Parks joins us on the front foot once again. Nice
to have you back with us, John. But the Turner
runnings at Edgeburston it was a special innings as such,
because in those days there was there was no sort
of playbook for one day cricket as there seems to
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be today, wasn't it.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Not at all?
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Yeah, Brian, thanks for having us. It's always good to
join you and Jerry, at least in spirit.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
The Yeah, no, there was no there was no playbook.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
Because sixty over games they were then and East Africa
were an unknown quantity.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
They were an interesting team, they were aged.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
They were experienced in whatever life brought to them, and
the pitchers were just normal three day pitches that you
happen to play sixty over games on.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
So yeah, it was a very different scene in those days.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, and it came at a time too when I
suppose scoring centuries in one day as wasn't a common occurrence.
I mean New Zealand had had two previously. I mean
the records start back in nineteen seventy one. I think
Ken Wadsworth got the first and Congo got the second.
Glenn Turner's won seventy one was the third. So it
wasn't common practice even around the world, was it.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
You've outlined there that lumitdovi. Cricket was quite young.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
It was at its at its initiations and turns. Of
course we all know what turns developed into. Just did
the master of these sorts of things, and once again
he was the master of listening. So yeah, it was
everything was new, it was everybody took it very seriously,
but it wasn't. It didn't have the priority that it
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has now. Test cricket was number one, and first class
cricket was a number two, and then all of a
sudden there was this thing called limited overcricket.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I suppose you were pioneers of the game in as
much as no one was playing it, although you playing
county cricket. I think at the time would have been
playing Sunday League forty over games.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Forty over games, limited run ups.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
We played Benson Hedges games which was fifty five overs,
Angellette Cut which was sixty overs.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
So there was three competitions going.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
But that was at first class level and it was
something different to be playing at an international level in
different countries on different grounds because the demands were different.
But the pitchers, as I say, I'm not sure the
groundsman did anything different to preparing a three day wicket
to preparing a sixty over wicket, So.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
You could have got a green seamer or a Bunsen burner.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Oh, absolutely absolutely, And to be quite honest, it was
quite interesting when that did happen because you had to
apply different sets of skills and Glenn Turner again was
the master at it. We all know that, but it
was it was quite interesting as to how you went
about it because this this I'm pretty sure that East
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Africa won the toss and didn't want the bat, so
we betted and it did seem around a bit because man,
we started off very carefully and then we had to
get things going later on.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, the slow State you bettered at number four. I
mean you varied your position a lot of time playing
for New Zealand, you opened, you betted down the order.
Number four there, I mean number four these days is
probably a significant position. Three and four because you're not
really expected to bat much after that. Are the are
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the ones that are supposed to get all the runs?
Speaker 7 (27:55):
That's right, you know, because they know that the pictures
are pretty flat. They know if the ball bounces there,
to'll end up here. And they play with confidence. You know,
some of the shots they played these days are absolutely amazing.
You couldn't have played with any sort of confidence in
those days. No helmets again, and so you wouldn't be
sort of hooking at everything that's that's short, and you'd
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be letting them go and you'd be building innings, which
we clearly did there and in turns the manager that
orchestrated at all and it was a totally different sort
of approach to it. And sixty overs is quite a lot,
because in Test cricket these days they will they meant
to bowl ninety overs, but it's only it's only half
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as much again as we played in the limited over game.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, and you're lucky to get more than sixty overs
out of a Test match game these days anyway, your
partnership with Glenn Turner one hundred and forty nine, you
are on a ball or nearly sixty six off sixty eight,
you obviously increased the tempo and that allowed Turns to
do the same. I think I think he faced the
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two hundred deliveries for one hundred and seventy one. But
you know at that stage you'd just been meandering along
to some extent, hadn't you.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
Well, Again, in those days you built an innings. Well,
these days they just thrashed themselves to death all through
the innings and that wasn't the way it was. And
the openers John Morrison and Glen Turner they went out
and the ball was seeming around right, So we've got
to make sure we're still batting at sixty overs. And
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there was a workman sort of an innings that had
to be wasn't good for New Zealand cricket if we
lost to East Africa. So we had to make sure
that things went well and you kept wickets in hand
and put the foot on the pedal at the end.
But still with Len and I we batted an awful
lot together in those days and It was fantastic batting
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with him, and there were no hicck ups that I
can remember, and both of us just played cricket strokes
and didn't revert to some of the shots they do
these days, and it was great.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
It worked out well.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I remember years ago having a discussion with you and
others in the commentary box when we were working together
about the variations that you can bring to this short
form game. But Glenn Turner sort of developed a style too, didn't.
I remember a game against England at the Bation Reserve
you might not have played in eighty three where he
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scored sort of eighty and kept chipping the ball back
over the bowler's head because it was a vacant part
of the ground. But he had that ability to do that,
and I think in that game, Lance Ken's batted at three.
So they were starting to find ways of doing something
a little bit differently, weren't they.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
Absolutely, And that's what happened. And I think also the science.
I'm not a huge fan of science of any sort,
but the science in preparing pictures has definitely improved, There's
no doubt about that, and so they can predict a
pitch how it's going to play and that is incredibly important.
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So therefore, you know, that's always understated and cricket how
important the pitch is, and it just seems to get
pushed aside. And therefore, if the pitch is that important,
the toss is incredibly important and absolutely shapes shapes a
whole game who wins the toss. So it was starting
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to evolve in things, and Glenn was a major player
and how the One day game around the world, how
it evolved. And he's scored an awful lot of first
class runs in England when first class cricket was important.
I don't think it has the same importance now at all.
But he scored an awful lot of runs in first
class cricket. But he also shaped the One day game.
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He had that shot that the flat batter outside the
off stump that when he was in he was sure
that what the pitcher was doing, anything outside the off
stump got flat battered, and.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
It was an amazing stroke. You know, I never know why.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
They don't use it these days, because it's just absolutely
made for the way they play these days.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
But nobody flat bats.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
But you know, certainly anything the way then turned it,
and of course playing with him, I sort of imitated
the shots of his that I thought were effective, and
I sort of used to chip over the top as well,
and flat bat as well. But of course because I
wasn't anywhere near as good and never it. History misses
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that part out the other parts for me. The other
part for me that was a lot of fun and
we had to do it was the boundaries are so
much bigger in those days, so there was space behind,
you know, one saving fielders. They had to save the ones,
otherwise you'd score off every ball. And so an easy
way of scoring runs was to chip it over the
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top of uxuy, aim for the fielder and hit a
great big circle, a great big hula hoop.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Who the world's biggest hula.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
Hoop was above the fielder's head, and you tried to
hit the ball through that hoop. That was the aim,
and and you could do that to any fielder in
the up saving the one. So in the bowler was
a he had a hula hoop above his head. He
never knew it.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
And if it was up and straight but not quite
up far enough, you just knocked it.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
H threw the ball, kept the face of that open
and knocked it over their head for two. So there
was an awful lot of space behind one savers because
the boundaries were so big, you congest those boundaries and
of course that space isn't there, and you risk if
you hit it, well, you risk getting caught.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
But at Melbourne and well every ground.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
The Oval, all of those grounds never had ropes and
it was you know, it was different and strategies were
different and it was fantastic.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
And players are starting to develop that sort of technique
at the moment. Update our field is back, take the
pace off the ball and go for two. You know,
you see that plan quite often and many of the
games for these players. In terms of Glenn Turner's game,
particularly in the one day competition like this, was he
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an analyst as such, and he spent a lot of
time thinking about the kind of shots that he could
play and develop. I don't imagine he was the kind
of player who would just go out and say I'm
going to play that. He probably would have practiced it
would he.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Oh, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
He knew his game incredibly well, he knew what games
he played, that he could practice something, but he was
he kept the game incredibly simple, and that his stance
was was set, and he changed it a little bit
once he went on.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
You know, once he got.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
In, he changed it slightly is as angle of his
wrist at the back. He cocked his wrist a little
bit more at the back once he got in, and
he opened the face of the.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Bat out and his stance a little bit once he
got in. It was very square earlier on.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
So he always was into the bat square to the ball.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Early on in his in it.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
And he just knew that by keeping his head still
and not planting wherever the ball was, that's where he
hit it. So if the ball was out to be
hit through the covers, if it was up fair enough,
he hit it on the ground. If it wasn't quite
up fair enough, he chipped it over the dup. So
it was an incredibly simple game. And he was just
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the master at not making technical mistakes.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
So that his shoulder.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
We believe that you move your shoulder to the ball,
not your foot, because if you move your shoulder, your
head goes with it, and then your foot has to
go with it otherwise you fall over. And not many
people do that, and they and so he just hit it.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
So if the ball was there to be hit through
mid on. That's what he did.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
He just moved his shoulder to it, hit it along
the ground, or he hit it in the air. And
he was the master at not moving around in the
stance and therefore by standing absolutely still until he knew
where the ball was going, that he made very few mistakes.
These days, they plant because for some reason they think
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people are bowling so fast that they can't move to
the ball wherever it dictates you should move. They for
some reason believe that you can't do that anymore, which
I don't believe that to be true at all. And
Turns was the absolute master at standing still and playing
the ball on its marriage wherever it went. But he
always had two options along the ground or in the air.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Yeah. The other the thing is that the game has
changed so much now that players don't stand still or
keep their heads still. They're across the crease looking for opportunities.
They can see that. You can see them batting at
the return increase on the off side or outside of
the eg stump, trying to predict what the ball is
going to do. And that's been one of the massive changes.
And I suppose it's been brought about by the number
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of competitions that are being played in the design to
win and the money that goes it.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
And Glinton also moved around a crease later on in
his career, more than at the start. But again he
moved around and was set in a different position and
everything was still when the ball was delivered. So he
was the master of the the coverage of the lofted
cover drive when the ball pitched on mid off and
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he was also very good on the drop kick over
midwicket when the ball was pitched on off stump. So
he moved around too, but the basics of what he
how he executed a stroke was still the same, and
it was you know, it was fantastic batting with him,
and he inspired everybody that that batted with him. And
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I was lucky enough to be a broken mirror image
at the other end.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Probably over one hundred times there.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Was yeah, did you play much at Worcester with him?
Because I mean in those days there were certain rules there,
but you were both at w Wasster.
Speaker 7 (38:09):
We were I was the luckiest person ever to play
county cricket because everybody else had to be an international
superstar to go and play, or at least an international
player I wasn't and hadn't even played first card cricket.
I played in the same club as Martin Horton in
Auckland and haughty wonderful fellow did so much for New
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Zealand cricket, just amazing. It's forgotten what he did for
New Zealand cricket. But he suggested I go to Worcester
and have a month's trial. So I went over and
the month turned into a season, and then the last
game of the season was against India who had just
beaten England for the first time, and the selector came
up to me and said, if you make runs today
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we'll think about keeping you and if you don't, misending
your home. So I think wouldn't Commander Shakespeare very much
for his communication, and luckily was the last out for
ninety one, so we were established. Got in there and
then the next game was against Bob Massey is Australian team,
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first game next year, and Johnny Gleason the mystery spinner,
the second major mystery.
Speaker 6 (39:19):
Spinner, and did alright.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
It rained, of course, but it all worked out pretty
well and was signed on as a overseas player when
a gap appeared, because you could serve a time in
those days, and then you came off the overseas list.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
We had Van burn Hold of.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
The very capable Westerndies opening bowler, and Glen Turner was
the other one, so we also had him round Kahn.
He was my flatmate, and he and I changed his
bowling action for him, which most people don't think is true,
but if you could contact them now, which I'm sure
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you can't, he would say it. It was mentioned in one
of his books that we used to in the winter
that I had to stay there. We used to get
out unto the King's School gym and play with a
tennis ball and we changed his action and he was
eternally grateful. But he was there and he could come
and play for us because he went to Oxford University,
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and there were different rules for Oxford University students, so
you could go after the university season finished, you could
go and play for whatever county you wanted. So he
came and played for Worcester and we flattered together next
to Glenn Turnert and his soon to be wife, and
we had an awful lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
We had a lot of fun. I'm sure Parks enjoyed
flatting in Worcestershire in those days. But I'm not sure
that he'd want to be a roommate with around Carn now, Jerry.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Yeah, I know Sell five three four because Parks doesn't
eat much. If you remember, he wouldn't like the gruel
they handed in the mornings. I don't think he'd lose
a bit of weight old Parks there, and I don't
think he'll be talking to him run about his bowling
action any longer. He used to talk about his bowling
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action to help help him run Carn with that.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
He said he sorted it out for him while he
still said it, And he said they weren't the tidiest
of flatmates either, So I guess they've got something very
much in common. But lovely to hear from Parks talking about,
in fact, the Glen Turner headings of a one hundred
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and seventy one as you've just heard. All right, Well
take it carefully, getting up to heading then heading league, Jerry.
The country box there is in somebody's office in the university,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
So that's it.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Make sure that's it.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
You've got physics, physics, little things on white boards behind
you and things like that, and you try and work
that out and try and say to yourself, how does
that mean?
Speaker 3 (42:02):
What does that mean for the game?
Speaker 4 (42:06):
And that was as difficult as algebra was for me,
or calculus and all that sort of stuff. So I
just used to cover them all up and concentrate on
the cricket.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
We'll see your we might see your mate, you know,
Jeffrey Boycott once.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
He'll be up there. So I would have.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Thought, yeah, oh, well give him my regards.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
I will, I will, and I'll try and get a
picture of his reaction.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Okay, and PEPs, you might be able to record it
and send it back here.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
It makes for good radio. Take it easing, all right, Love,
love you to talk, See you later.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Take it on at It's here, it is out, the
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
And here you goes.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody,
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Speaker 4 (00:48):
Hello, We're back on the front foot and the review
of the World Test Championship Final. It delivers a surprise
winner or was it staged at Lord's? Apparently a sellout
allow on the opening of two days. It's seen therever
plenty of spare seats. Was a Test quality cricket fourteen
wickets on day one on day two? Was it the
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pitch or was it technique? It was it top class
following from both sides? Had the gloss gone from the
Ossie top automatic? Another cricket. We've got a New Zealand
a women's team heading for England for developmental experience. Good
stuff and remember this takes a peek back fifty years
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for a unique New Zealand performance.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Bear with me on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Here he goes.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
The bouncer.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Despite what the ICC cheerleaders previously known as Test Crickets
would tell you, it wasn't the brilliant finale for the
World Test Championship, the pinnacle game. That's my view anyway.
Even after the coin toss, which was made to look
like the climax scene from Ben Hur, it took to
the third day to see any batting of quality. We
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should have seen better from the two Test teams. One
of them hadn't played for five months, the other four
little build up. Oh boy, Sorry Jeremy Kaney is with us.
Sorry Jerry, but that's my view of the game show piece.
Am I right or wrong? You can hit my bouncer
for six.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Hello Wads from England. The weather is actually nice and
fine at the moment. I've come from from London up
to by train up to a place called Ketthering which
is on the on in the eastern side of England,
and with a mate and so that's that's where I
am at this morning speaking to you. It is morning here.
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That's an interesting idea you got, Wads. I thought the
game itself and you talk about the conditions.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's kind of like two tests.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
The first test being the first two days, and the
second test being so the last day and a third.
Certainly you you have been, as I have to Lords
a few times now. It's quite an intimate ground and
the sense that you can kind of see people and
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if you if you're sort of sort of friend coming
down from the other end, you can sort of wave
out to him because you can actually see them. And
it is quite close the whole ground. And that's that's
how it feels, you know, that hum they talk about
at Lord's Watch. You don't get that at many other grounds.
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And close can also be used as a description.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I think of.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
The weather and you get here, I think in England
that time between sort of spring and then going into
high summer, and you get quite a closed and enclosed,
close ground as well. And look, I just thought the
first two days, the ball itself, as you know a
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new duke, does move around a little bit more susceptible,
as every cricket ball is to barometric pressure. In other words,
there's more pressure on one side of the ball and
the other the ball starts to swing. And I just
felt that all you know, you're right about the number
of people.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I'll give you a Teck there.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
I think the first couple of days it wasn't quite
the numbers that they were talking about, But it's hard
to overstate just how important the overhead conditions are at
Lords in the first couple of days, low cloud preventing
any moisture coming out of the ground, and they do
water those grounds, you know, they make them look very
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nice on the telly and all that stuff. They like
to see nice green grass, mowan in different ways and patterns,
and so the moisture comes up out of the ground
and if there's nowhere for it to go because there's
low clouds and everything, and there was and so therefore
was a good toss to win.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
It certainly does nip about. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
And I do feel that both sides had a very
much a reshaped top order, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And Australia they had Kwaja, but.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
He he who was really originally a middle order player,
and they tried to outlast the movement I think Australia
and so Kowaja was gone.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
They had a new opener in Lava Shane.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
They moved out that that movement of constance away from
opening was meant two different changes didn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
It meant Labashane going up.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
He'd never opened before in a Test match, and it
meant bringing in cam Green who'd come from a second
division you know, play over in England and was put
up at number three where had never batted much before either.
And so it wasn't until you got down to Steve
Smith and also then to Head that you had two
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people in their usual positions. And I felt, I felt Rabada,
I don't know what you think. I think he's quite
a good bowler. Actually, I mean he's aker. Yeah, he's
like a lies not the place of Malcolm Marshall, but
he's kind of like that, but he seems that a
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bit more.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
He's at you all the time.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
And his five wickets in that innings in the first
innings certainly sorted Australia out. C Smith about it quite well,
didn't you think wads in those conditions?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Oh yeah, and you would expect it from a man
who hadn't played a lot of cricket. We were led
to believe that. The point that I want to make
and is both the sides were underprepared. They hadn't played
any proper cricket. Now we understand the first day of
a Test match, the ball is going to nip about
and it's kind to swing. But on television I didn't
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sense that it was untoward. There were so many players
beaten between bat and pad. I mean there was lbw's
and the stumps were hit where to my mind, you've
got to adjust your technique, don't you for first day
because you know it's gonna you know it's gonna have
a little bit of bounce, you know it's likely to swing.
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That to me is part of a Test cricket. Yet
both sides looked below par with the bat.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
No, I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
I've just got to say, I'm afraid it's now a
function of how we have moved away from openers, you know,
a specialist position. We don't have those or many of
them nowadays. What they are are middle order dashes, and
we've created them into openers like Ben Duckett for example,
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or Crawley, both middle order players. You don't get those
nuggety openers any longer. Who will you set out their
stall and not get beaten on the inside edge, but
in a bat in the pad, So you you know,
the Langers, the Bruce Edgars, those kinds of players, you
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know Boone who came up as well and became an
opener and then a number three as well. So they
do not exist around in our test cricket. I don't
think any longer. And I don't know how you feel
a bit like that. It's like pole of bears wads.
It's the habitat, you know, and they're being killed off
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just the same as the template nowadays is an opener
who dashes and scrashes his way to a quick thirty
off the first six or seven overs. That's how we've
got openers now, and they are loose and in those
conditions you get found out.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
And they're being picked for that. That's fair enough, that's
what the selectors want. But you get back to the scenario.
Oh that's how I play, so you know, I'll always
be on a hiding to nothing at times. Every now
and again it'll come off. But it's not, to my
mind the sort of thing that you expect quality Test cricket.
If you've played and they pay good money to get
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into the ground there at lords, don't they Oh yes,
don't believe. I mean you you were in the middle
of it, so you saw better than night and I'm
watching from television. I just thought both sides were let
down by poor batting against very good bowling. I mean,
that's as good a bowling as there's going to be
in any game, isn't the Aussie attack and also the
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South African attack. But to me, the first two game
days twenty eight wickets banged Test match over.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah, and then we got the second Test, which is
on the same one.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
If you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
As soon as those as soon as those low clouds
dissipated and in came the sun. Man did that pitch
just sort of it suddenly it looks straw colored and
well on that third days, you know, four wichs only,
that's right, and four wickets only fell. One was the
number ten, one was a number eleven, for heaven say,
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and then and then of course two wickets to the
new ball, you know, Rickleton, and then we Unmolder again,
someone who's reshaping his position at number three. So there
were lots of changes between these sides that they're not
They weren't quite at their best. I agree with you
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about a warm up game. The Aussies don't agree with that.
I brought that up in commentary and said don't you
think these these two teams might have done a little
bit better if they'd had a match before this? And
the assie turned to me and said, no, we don't
believe in that we practiced much better than playing in
the game.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Well, I don't believe that myself.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
I didn't answer, but my silence was supposed to project
that I thought South Africa. Certainly they did have a
bit of a match, I think, but yes, I agree
with you. And the pitch itself didn't look you know,
virulent green. They've got a new grounds there was. They
don't have Mick Hunt any longer. He's an Irish feller
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and he what's his name, Carl McDermott is his name.
And I'll tell you something else was you might know.
There's a New Zealand girl who was also on that
meg lay.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
She's from christ Church.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
She was an arable farmer doing pea harvests and things
like that in christ Church and she decided that okay,
I'm going to go to England and try and work.
She loves grass and she got a job at Bristol
and Gloucestershire under Seawan Williams and was there for a
couple of years and then she went to Edgeburston and
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she was actually in charge of an all women's ground
staff for the women's Ashes tests and the one that
was there in Edgebison, so that was quite a nice
touch all women playing in the Test match and in
the Ashes and then in all women's ground staff there.
And now she's come to Lord's Loves the job. She
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posts all the socials you know, and that's where you
will have may have heard about her. But I just,
I just I think it was great.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
That she was there.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
But I thought it was smart.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Did you get a telephone number?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Maybe I didn't. I'm sorry I didn't speak to her
at all.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
We could have put her on the program or nice
to have a child.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Well, there's no reason why we couldn't. Couldn't do that,
no reason at all. She actually goes to places like anfield,
you know, where they play all the footy as well.
So she's she's busy. She's a busy girl and she's
doing very very well, very well.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
So that's great. We'll try and get hold.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Yeah, absolutely, but just a quick thing on you know,
I think it was smart of South Africa to have
a crack first. It wasn't brave because the conditions were
such as a bit murky and our best chance of
winning the game is bowling first, and and it sort
of suited it. But Middlesex also who play there, obviously
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at Lord, if you look at the way their county
games have gone, if they've won the toss, they have
batted second and fourth because they know that if they
can last and get to a chase. In the last
innings they were getting chases like three hundred and fifty
and getting them, so they knew how the pitch was
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actually going. And obviously South Africa did as well. And
that's what we saw happen. Man, we saw some interesting
batting from South Africa. And that first innings, didn't we
And that first first day twenty odd overs for forty
runs or something. Man, I mean, I've never seen how
labored they were. They simply couldn't score could they couldn't
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even get singles.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
They was extraordinary, much more aggressive line on the second morning,
didn't they. It didn't die yet great degree, but they
showed an intention that they wanted to score runs and
compete rather than just occupy crease and make up the numbers.
Having put the opposition and bowl them for just over
two hundred. You know you're in you're in the box seat,
aren't you.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well you are, you got to You've got a chance then,
and they had. They had created that chance by bowling
Osie out for just over two hundred and ten.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
But their scoring was imperceptible.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
It sort of is.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
They sort of treated their crease as a layer and
they declined to come out of it.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
They they yes, they needed to stay in. Every batsman
needs to do that. But why why do you stay
in so you can score runs? And they forgot about
that part of the equation, it seemed to me. And
you're right, Bavooma came out and batted with Beddingham and
that first and news and at least they got to
one hundred and thirty and are behind about by seventy
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odd runs. And then you know, and then in came
Robarda again and instead of losing five wik it's quickly
this time between Barda and and Geedee, who improved his performance.
Suddenly they lost six wickets, didn't they And they were
in trouble of not setting a total at all Australia
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until and if here's a posit for you, odds. If
Australia on that third morning with a nice clear sky
and the straw.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Colored pitch, if instead.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Of being eight down there only they are only five down,
imagine what could have happened and changed in the game
with the conditions changing, you know, they could have posted
a hell of much a bigger total.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, bearing in mind the batting of Stark, Yeah, you're
probably right, but you look back at it and you've
been around some of the Australians must or shouldn't they
be worried about their batting lineup for the ashes coming
up because it doesn't seem to me to have the
fizz or sparkle that we expect. I know they'll be
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at home. Travis will be an important part, but what
about Kowaja and they haven't you know, they may have constants,
but he's got a bit of work to do to
become an international opener, hasn't He is their top six vulnerable?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Some of them are, and it tends to be at
the top in my opinion. But there's lots of talk
now wadds about that top order right now now, whether
Green goes down and he starts to bowl, because I mean,
at the moment that's why they had Bo Webster there
because they needed another bowler to give the four a break,
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and Mitch marsh was the one who was there. Wasn't
he against the India and he didn't bowl much because
he got injured. So they're having to re kind of
pick their side from the bowling point of view as well.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But Kwaja, yes, is a question, Laboshine.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
There are questions they're talking about Inglis coming in all
sorts of things they're talking about. They're creating middle order
players Brian, as I said before, and shoving them up
to open and forgetting that it is.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
It is a specialist position.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
You watch the line of the ball and it means
that you might miss out on a few drives because
the ball's full and you let it go and it
misses the stumps.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You know, those those kinds of things.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Because you're a line player, you watches as it's going
to hit the stumps first, if it's outside you're right eye,
you let her go and that's how you start to
learn to play the game. But they've got middle order
players who are dashers, and that's that's an issue that
they are having to confront. Kawaja seems kind of stuck
in the prease, doesn't he.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
He doesn't seem to want to play a shot well anyway,
has he? Not a big mover? Not a big mover?
Speaker 5 (17:59):
And then Lavashane, I look, he's just quite an eccentric player,
isn't he? And then Green pushing forward towards the line.
That's a middle order approach when the ball's moving around.
I thought Smith played a very good innings in the first.
In the first got about sixty odd, didn't he? But
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he was organized. He was waiting for the short ball
outside off and he had put it away behind point
or knock it on the on side when they tried.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
To hit his pads.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
So look, I think Australia do have issues. To answer
your question, it's number one, two, three, they've got a
four and a five. They're going to keep going with
Smith in head at number six. Whether that's cam Green
or not, we'll wait and see in seven carry. So
that part of the order I think is okay. I
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was pleased that's South Africa one. I don't mind bowlers
being in charge either wise. To be really honest with you,
I think the game is a better game when runs matter,
When you get a forty or a fifty, it counts,
and we just didn't kind of have enough players to
do that.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And the bowlers.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Were in charge in the first two days. And it
shows you how batting has changed. And that's a lot
of T twenty cricket. It's a lot of dashing cricket.
And that's the cost that it comes with if you
don't have a defense.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
So I don't mind that. I think you've got to
choose your sides for test cricket.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
It's a much more demanding game, isn't it. And you've
found out.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
YEP and Australia are going to be tested again, of
course because they're going to the Caribbean and the MASA
is going to Johannesburg. But they're not going to planning
test cricket.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
So well, I wonder, I wonder, what's do you think?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Now?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
They might they've got it. They might put pressure on
the South African cricket board to say, look, why aren't
we going to play Look, let's invite someone over to
play some tests, so all our you know, people who
are who w then there were a lot of South
Africans there, man, Yeah, and they have a little drink
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drink after the game and they will tell you what
they were. They were fathers and sons, they were grandfathers
and sons. You know, it was a generational thing and
some of those kids will remember that day and we
don't know just how keen they'll be on cricket, but
they may well become South African players themselves.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Who knows. You know what a little memory does for
a young lad.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
So the South African, the South African cricket board have
got to contain a load of Indian white balls which
they have to use up. And that's going to get
anyway their test cricket.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Well, I do hope that that changes. I hope that
they are able to get at least one team and
encourage them to get one team so everybody can watch
their winning side.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
And I was pleased.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Look at all the rubbish that were spoken beforehand about
these guys shouldn't be here, but that wasn't their fault.
We know that, we know the failings of the World Championship.
You know, different number of games, different it's just impossible.
They're all judged by a percentage figure, not just points,
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they're percentages and so look, I was really pleased that
they were competitive.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Yeah, well we're going to be. We're going to be
hearing from one of your old mates, John Parker's going
to talk about a record fifty years ago, Oh Daddy's
World Cup. Yeah, that's going to be with us. And
what I want to keep an eye on too, is
the New Zealand women's a squad. Eight or nine White
Ferns are in it. They're being coached by Brendan Donkers
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and they've also got some powerful coaching Peter Boren and
also Craig McMillan. So I applaud New Zealand Cricket for
sending those young ladies over there in New Zealand side,
not the frontline players, but some of us you've had
White Fern experience. We'll get a time over there. I
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think they start playing this coming weekend, so we'll follow
that with interest. Jerick.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I saw that sidewad or the or the squad.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I'm delighted that they are doing that and continuing what
we have been seeing about the development of younger players,
making them into better players.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And to have that many a coaches.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Brendan Donkers of course, Canterbury the bowling coach, and then
McMillan the batting coach. Those are good appointments. I think experienced,
experienced coaches assisting some of not just development players who
they've highlighted to say oh you could be you could
be something. But secondly some of them, as you say,
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Fern's player and developing and continuing that as well. I
think it's a nice mix and so well done New Zealand.
We often don't say well done to New Zealand, we
tend to criticize them a little bit, but I think
they're important. They are very important tours, these ones and
we might get suddenly two or three players and that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
On the front foot with Jeremy Coney and Brian Roddell,
thank you for joining us once again. Fifty years ago
this week opening, Glenn Turner created a piece of cricket history.
During the first ever World Cup. Turner scored the highest
individual title in a One Day International, previously one hundred
and sixteen by David Lloyd for England, Turner got one
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hundred and seventy one not out versus East Africa. It
was a score that was to last eight years until
June nineteen eighty three when cappal Dev did one hundred
and seventy five against Zimbabwe. One man he must have
had an important part in that and things was John Parker,
who scored sixty six or sixty eight balls and a
partnership of one hundred and forty nine with Turner after
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a labored beginning, a partnership that increased their tempo quite clearly,
Parks joins us on the front foot once again. Nice
to have you back with us, John. But the Turner
runnings at Edgeburston it was a special innings as such,
because in those days there was there was no sort
of playbook for one day cricket as there seems to
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be today, wasn't it.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Not at all?
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Yeah, Brian, thanks for having us. It's always good to
join you and Jerry, at least in spirit.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
The Yeah, no, there was no there was no playbook.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
Because sixty over games they were then and East Africa
were an unknown quantity.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
They were an interesting team, they were aged.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
They were experienced in whatever life brought to them, and
the pitchers were just normal three day pitches that you
happen to play sixty over games on.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
So yeah, it was a very different scene in those days.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Yeah, and it came at a time too when I
suppose scoring centuries in one day as wasn't a common occurrence.
I mean New Zealand had had two previously. I mean
the records start back in nineteen seventy one. I think
Ken Wadsworth got the first and Congo got the second.
Glenn Turner's won seventy one was the third. So it
wasn't common practice even around the world, was it.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
You've outlined there that lumitdovi. Cricket was quite young.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
It was at its at its initiations and turns. Of
course we all know what turns developed into. Just did
the master of these sorts of things, and once again
he was the master of listening. So yeah, it was
everything was new, it was everybody took it very seriously,
but it wasn't. It didn't have the priority that it
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has now. Test cricket was number one, and first class
cricket was a number two, and then all of a
sudden there was this thing called limited overcricket.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I suppose you were pioneers of the game in as
much as no one was playing it, although you playing
county cricket. I think at the time would have been
playing Sunday League forty over games.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Forty over games, limited run ups.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
We played Benson Hedges games which was fifty five overs,
Angellette Cut which was sixty overs.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
So there was three competitions going.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
But that was at first class level and it was
something different to be playing at an international level in
different countries on different grounds because the demands were different.
But the pitchers, as I say, I'm not sure the
groundsman did anything different to preparing a three day wicket
to preparing a sixty over wicket, So.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
You could have got a green seamer or a Bunsen burner.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Oh, absolutely absolutely, And to be quite honest, it was
quite interesting when that did happen because you had to
apply different sets of skills and Glenn Turner again was
the master at it. We all know that, but it
was it was quite interesting as to how you went
about it because this this I'm pretty sure that East
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Africa won the toss and didn't want the bat, so
we betted and it did seem around a bit because man,
we started off very carefully and then we had to
get things going later on.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, the slow State you bettered at number four. I
mean you varied your position a lot of time playing
for New Zealand, you opened, you betted down the order.
Number four there, I mean number four these days is
probably a significant position. Three and four because you're not
really expected to bat much after that. Are the are
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the ones that are supposed to get all the runs?
Speaker 7 (27:55):
That's right, you know, because they know that the pictures
are pretty flat. They know if the ball bounces there,
to'll end up here. And they play with confidence. You know,
some of the shots they played these days are absolutely amazing.
You couldn't have played with any sort of confidence in
those days. No helmets again, and so you wouldn't be
sort of hooking at everything that's that's short, and you'd
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be letting them go and you'd be building innings, which
we clearly did there and in turns the manager that
orchestrated at all and it was a totally different sort
of approach to it. And sixty overs is quite a lot,
because in Test cricket these days they will they meant
to bowl ninety overs, but it's only it's only half
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as much again as we played in the limited over game.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, and you're lucky to get more than sixty overs
out of a Test match game these days anyway, your
partnership with Glenn Turner one hundred and forty nine, you
are on a ball or nearly sixty six off sixty eight,
you obviously increased the tempo and that allowed Turns to
do the same. I think I think he faced the
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two hundred deliveries for one hundred and seventy one. But
you know at that stage you'd just been meandering along
to some extent, hadn't you.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
Well, Again, in those days you built an innings. Well,
these days they just thrashed themselves to death all through
the innings and that wasn't the way it was. And
the openers John Morrison and Glen Turner they went out
and the ball was seeming around right, So we've got
to make sure we're still batting at sixty overs. And
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there was a workman sort of an innings that had
to be wasn't good for New Zealand cricket if we
lost to East Africa. So we had to make sure
that things went well and you kept wickets in hand
and put the foot on the pedal at the end.
But still with Len and I we batted an awful
lot together in those days and It was fantastic batting
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with him, and there were no hicck ups that I
can remember, and both of us just played cricket strokes
and didn't revert to some of the shots they do
these days, and it was great.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
It worked out well.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I remember years ago having a discussion with you and
others in the commentary box when we were working together
about the variations that you can bring to this short
form game. But Glenn Turner sort of developed a style too, didn't.
I remember a game against England at the Bation Reserve
you might not have played in eighty three where he
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scored sort of eighty and kept chipping the ball back
over the bowler's head because it was a vacant part
of the ground. But he had that ability to do that,
and I think in that game, Lance Ken's batted at three.
So they were starting to find ways of doing something
a little bit differently, weren't they.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
Absolutely, And that's what happened. And I think also the science.
I'm not a huge fan of science of any sort,
but the science in preparing pictures has definitely improved, There's
no doubt about that, and so they can predict a
pitch how it's going to play and that is incredibly important.
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So therefore, you know, that's always understated and cricket how
important the pitch is, and it just seems to get
pushed aside. And therefore, if the pitch is that important,
the toss is incredibly important and absolutely shapes shapes a
whole game who wins the toss. So it was starting
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to evolve in things, and Glenn was a major player
and how the One day game around the world, how
it evolved. And he's scored an awful lot of first
class runs in England when first class cricket was important.
I don't think it has the same importance now at all.
But he scored an awful lot of runs in first
class cricket. But he also shaped the One day game.
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He had that shot that the flat batter outside the
off stump that when he was in he was sure
that what the pitcher was doing, anything outside the off
stump got flat battered, and.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
It was an amazing stroke. You know, I never know why.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
They don't use it these days, because it's just absolutely
made for the way they play these days.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
But nobody flat bats.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
But you know, certainly anything the way then turned it,
and of course playing with him, I sort of imitated
the shots of his that I thought were effective, and
I sort of used to chip over the top as well,
and flat bat as well. But of course because I
wasn't anywhere near as good and never it. History misses
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that part out the other parts for me. The other
part for me that was a lot of fun and
we had to do it was the boundaries are so
much bigger in those days, so there was space behind,
you know, one saving fielders. They had to save the ones,
otherwise you'd score off every ball. And so an easy
way of scoring runs was to chip it over the
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top of uxuy, aim for the fielder and hit a
great big circle, a great big hula hoop.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Who the world's biggest hula.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
Hoop was above the fielder's head, and you tried to
hit the ball through that hoop. That was the aim,
and and you could do that to any fielder in
the up saving the one. So in the bowler was
a he had a hula hoop above his head. He
never knew it.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
And if it was up and straight but not quite
up far enough, you just knocked it.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
H threw the ball, kept the face of that open
and knocked it over their head for two. So there
was an awful lot of space behind one savers because
the boundaries were so big, you congest those boundaries and
of course that space isn't there, and you risk if
you hit it, well, you risk getting caught.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
But at Melbourne and well every ground.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
The Oval, all of those grounds never had ropes and
it was you know, it was different and strategies were
different and it was fantastic.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
And players are starting to develop that sort of technique
at the moment. Update our field is back, take the
pace off the ball and go for two. You know,
you see that plan quite often and many of the
games for these players. In terms of Glenn Turner's game,
particularly in the one day competition like this, was he
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an analyst as such, and he spent a lot of
time thinking about the kind of shots that he could
play and develop. I don't imagine he was the kind
of player who would just go out and say I'm
going to play that. He probably would have practiced it
would he.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Oh, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
He knew his game incredibly well, he knew what games
he played, that he could practice something, but he was
he kept the game incredibly simple, and that his stance
was was set, and he changed it a little bit
once he went on.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
You know, once he got.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
In, he changed it slightly is as angle of his
wrist at the back. He cocked his wrist a little
bit more at the back once he got in, and
he opened the face of the.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Bat out and his stance a little bit once he
got in. It was very square earlier on.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
So he always was into the bat square to the ball.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Early on in his in it.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
And he just knew that by keeping his head still
and not planting wherever the ball was, that's where he
hit it. So if the ball was out to be
hit through the covers, if it was up fair enough,
he hit it on the ground. If it wasn't quite
up fair enough, he chipped it over the dup. So
it was an incredibly simple game. And he was just
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the master at not making technical mistakes.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
So that his shoulder.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
We believe that you move your shoulder to the ball,
not your foot, because if you move your shoulder, your
head goes with it, and then your foot has to
go with it otherwise you fall over. And not many
people do that, and they and so he just hit it.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
So if the ball was there to be hit through
mid on. That's what he did.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
He just moved his shoulder to it, hit it along
the ground, or he hit it in the air. And
he was the master at not moving around in the
stance and therefore by standing absolutely still until he knew
where the ball was going, that he made very few mistakes.
These days, they plant because for some reason they think
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people are bowling so fast that they can't move to
the ball wherever it dictates you should move. They for
some reason believe that you can't do that anymore, which
I don't believe that to be true at all. And
Turns was the absolute master at standing still and playing
the ball on its marriage wherever it went. But he
always had two options along the ground or in the air.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Yeah. The other the thing is that the game has
changed so much now that players don't stand still or
keep their heads still. They're across the crease looking for opportunities.
They can see that. You can see them batting at
the return increase on the off side or outside of
the eg stump, trying to predict what the ball is
going to do. And that's been one of the massive changes.
And I suppose it's been brought about by the number
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of competitions that are being played in the design to
win and the money that goes it.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
And Glinton also moved around a crease later on in
his career, more than at the start. But again he
moved around and was set in a different position and
everything was still when the ball was delivered. So he
was the master of the the coverage of the lofted
cover drive when the ball pitched on mid off and
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he was also very good on the drop kick over
midwicket when the ball was pitched on off stump. So
he moved around too, but the basics of what he
how he executed a stroke was still the same, and
it was you know, it was fantastic batting with him,
and he inspired everybody that that batted with him. And
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I was lucky enough to be a broken mirror image
at the other end.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Probably over one hundred times there.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Was yeah, did you play much at Worcester with him?
Because I mean in those days there were certain rules there,
but you were both at w Wasster.
Speaker 7 (38:09):
We were I was the luckiest person ever to play
county cricket because everybody else had to be an international
superstar to go and play, or at least an international
player I wasn't and hadn't even played first card cricket.
I played in the same club as Martin Horton in
Auckland and haughty wonderful fellow did so much for New
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Zealand cricket, just amazing. It's forgotten what he did for
New Zealand cricket. But he suggested I go to Worcester
and have a month's trial. So I went over and
the month turned into a season, and then the last
game of the season was against India who had just
beaten England for the first time, and the selector came
up to me and said, if you make runs today
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we'll think about keeping you and if you don't, misending
your home. So I think wouldn't Commander Shakespeare very much
for his communication, and luckily was the last out for
ninety one, so we were established. Got in there and
then the next game was against Bob Massey is Australian team,
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first game next year, and Johnny Gleason the mystery spinner,
the second major mystery.
Speaker 6 (39:19):
Spinner, and did alright.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
It rained, of course, but it all worked out pretty
well and was signed on as a overseas player when
a gap appeared, because you could serve a time in
those days, and then you came off the overseas list.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
We had Van burn Hold of.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
The very capable Westerndies opening bowler, and Glen Turner was
the other one, so we also had him round Kahn.
He was my flatmate, and he and I changed his
bowling action for him, which most people don't think is true,
but if you could contact them now, which I'm sure
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you can't, he would say it. It was mentioned in one
of his books that we used to in the winter
that I had to stay there. We used to get
out unto the King's School gym and play with a
tennis ball and we changed his action and he was
eternally grateful. But he was there and he could come
and play for us because he went to Oxford University,
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and there were different rules for Oxford University students, so
you could go after the university season finished, you could
go and play for whatever county you wanted. So he
came and played for Worcester and we flattered together next
to Glenn Turnert and his soon to be wife, and
we had an awful lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
We had a lot of fun. I'm sure Parks enjoyed
flatting in Worcestershire in those days. But I'm not sure
that he'd want to be a roommate with around Carn now, Jerry.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Yeah, I know Sell five three four because Parks doesn't
eat much. If you remember, he wouldn't like the gruel
they handed in the mornings. I don't think he'd lose
a bit of weight old Parks there, and I don't
think he'll be talking to him run about his bowling
action any longer. He used to talk about his bowling
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action to help help him run Carn with that.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
He said he sorted it out for him while he
still said it, And he said they weren't the tidiest
of flatmates either, So I guess they've got something very
much in common. But lovely to hear from Parks talking about,
in fact, the Glen Turner headings of a one hundred
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and seventy one as you've just heard. All right, Well
take it carefully, getting up to heading then heading league, Jerry.
The country box there is in somebody's office in the university,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
So that's it.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Make sure that's it.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
You've got physics, physics, little things on white boards behind
you and things like that, and you try and work
that out and try and say to yourself, how does
that mean?
Speaker 3 (42:02):
What does that mean for the game?
Speaker 4 (42:06):
And that was as difficult as algebra was for me,
or calculus and all that sort of stuff. So I
just used to cover them all up and concentrate on
the cricket.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
We'll see your we might see your mate, you know,
Jeffrey Boycott once.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
He'll be up there. So I would have.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Thought, yeah, oh, well give him my regards.
Speaker 5 (42:24):
I will, I will, and I'll try and get a
picture of his reaction.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Okay, and PEPs, you might be able to record it
and send it back here.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
It makes for good radio. Take it easing, all right, Love,
love you to talk, See you later.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
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