February 18, 2025 • 20 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Wednesday 19 February 2025 - it seems like an age since the Black Caps won the Champions Trophy. Chris Cairns looks back a bit, then forward to tonight’s opening encounter versus Pakistan in their backyard. What are the keys to victory - and who was Chris the most frightened of in the last over of the final back in 2000?
New Zealand Rugby needs naming rights cash and needs it fast. After what can only be described as an average few years in the sponsorship space, D’Arcy has a cunning plan for the people behind the national game. Forget oil, forget cars, forget beer, the answer to all your woes is right in front of you.
Clay Wilson, Newstalk ZB’s director of sport climbs into the Chamber. He shares his thoughts and opinions around the day’s major sporting stories, including the pipe dream of NZ hosting State of Origin and NZR sending the All Blacks back to the scene of the Irish mugging.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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My name is Darcy Walter Rave and this is the
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's a Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
It's the ninetheenth of February twenty twenty five and lined
up for your pleasure today, Chris Keynson joins us, former
Black Cat all rounder and a man who scored her
down in the final of the Champions Trophy way back
in the day.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We'll look forward to the opening game up against Pakistan.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I've got some opinion around the way the n Z
can climb their way out of the fiscal hole that
they've found themselves in might.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Not be popular.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
They might have to sell their sould to plastic, but
I think that it worked. And then Clay Wilson joined
us in the chamber of Clays, the sports news director
for News Talk to ZB.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
That's what we're doing, so let's get a mark slighted
up it down here on the Fix.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
In other news, I am sportsman, hear me raw Helberg,
sports bloke of the year gold medal Olympic hijack boss.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Hamish Ker might not be leaping at the upcoming World
Indoor Champs and Nanjing. He hasn't qualified, but he seems unconcerned.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
He's a busy lady.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Come my season short Postparis, and I just meant I
didn't actually do any comps within the windows, so yeah,
still just trying to knock that off and then also
just trying to work out with a need to go.
Speaker 7 (01:41):
You know.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I think there's a lot of things kind of pulling
in vierious directions these days.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Dan Carter, Southbridge's greatest export, has joined the mob climbing
into Fantasy Super Rugby Pacific tweety twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Five at the behest of his child.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Carter, the husband of chemist warehouse speaker Honored Dylan, hasn't
covered himself in glory though, and he has to leave
his best pick on the bench this week.
Speaker 8 (02:06):
Yeah, I'm probably pretty low after one, although I did
have Dame McKenzie as captain, so he's got me a
few points. But I find the Crusaders this week, so
I think I must have dropped my captain.
Speaker 9 (02:17):
Mac sorry mate.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And seven times Fourgulna one World Champs. S Lewis Hamilton
has received a rousing reception at F one's official launch.
The Englishman who jumped ship from mer Sadies to Ferrari
in the off season is upbeat. Now just wait until
the wheels fall off and the Taphosi come acclling.
Speaker 10 (02:36):
In bigger easy, because I feel so full of life
and so much energy because everything's new, and just focus
on what's up ahead. I'm so proud to be a
part of the team, something new and exciting.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
The Taphosi here, that's the fanatical Italian Ferrari fan base,
and they are today's sports speak samples.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You say it's sports Fix with Dancie Valdegrave.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
As we all know in z Are aren't exactly great
with money. Well, they try really hard, but it just
seems to run through their fingers like sands through the
hour glass. These are the days of their lives. So
how can they get more cash? So Jim Radcliffe doesn't
want to give them any at all, not entirely sure
(03:24):
what's going on with silver Ac. I don't think anyone
else is either. So how do they pay the wagers
bill of all of the All Blacks and everybody else
beneath them. Here's my cunning plan. It's a master plan.
You can thank me later. There's a blake floating around
New Zealand at the moment that appears to be spending
a lot of time on Twitter, a lot of time
telling people exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
What he thinks. This bloke has also got powerful.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Amounts of cash, stupid amounts of money. How did he
get that money? Well, he's reconstituted plastic and sold it globally.
His name is Nick Mowbray. He's in charge or part
of the group that runs Zuru Toys. So why not
sell All Blacks naming rights to Zuru. This is It's
not as stupid as it seems. This is a fantastic
(04:11):
idea zero across the front of the All Blacks. Imagine
the licensing for the toys that they could sell once
they've climbed on with the all Blacks. It is all
most limitless. It will go absolutely global. They have a
knack for understanding what the kids want, and the kids,
of course are the growth area, and of course the
(04:34):
adults to what the kids want. It just grows exponentially.
He's been extraordinarily successful with Zeru. I think he wants
to do something good with his money and what can
be better than contributing to our national game. And the
All Blacks come on and said, are go and knock
on the door. You've got no money. You get scanned
(04:56):
by billionaires all the time. Why not move in with one.
We hope you can trust the All Blacks with Zeru.
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Dissecting the sporting agenda. It's Sportsfix with Darcy Waldgrave.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
That's more and welcome to the podcast to former Black
Cap all rounder and a man who smashed the winning
runs and the Champions Trophy way back in the day,
Chris Kensky. Chris, I trust you well and I'm looking
forward to the entertainment. Must be hard for you looking
at the Champions Trophy which does start at ten o'clock's
(05:34):
Pakistan without going all the way back in history to
that wonderful day when the Black CAP's actually won something
of promise and prominence and you scored the tonne hit
the winning run.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
So you got to go back there memory lane, don't you. Chris.
Speaker 9 (05:49):
It was more the fact that adam PERORI nearly broke
my back when he jumped on me sort of as
we were running off the field, which is sort of
quite a that's actually that's one of my most vivid
memories made of sort of turning around and seeing MAVs
sort of sprinting towards me and I'm going, he's not
slowing down, so boom I collected him and and we
headed off the field. And yeah, look it was a
(06:10):
it was a it was a wonderful I mean put
it in perspective. Look, we only won three games, right,
so I mean we won a global trophy. We big zim.
I didn't play the Semisu, we won the first machgan Zim.
I played the sim against Pakistan. Roger Two's played really
really well in that and so contributions from everybody. And
then in the final against the good Indian side and
(06:31):
and so mate, it was it was really rewarding with
a good group of guys and also you know under
Tristy and Jeff Crow to sort of share that, and
you know, and the late Christopher Dorg was in the
dressing room with us.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
On on that on that moment as well.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, one of the better CEOs I think New Zealand
Crickets either had Chris Still you know, you look back
with you roast in to classes because it was a
wonderful time and I still remember how stoked I was
watching that.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So we're doing it all over again. But let's talk
about the Champions Trophy and.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Where it actually sits in the landscape of cricket because
it is such a congested skyline now with peaks all
over the show.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I'm not even sure where this sits.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Do the players not? Does anybody know?
Speaker 10 (07:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (07:15):
I think you're right, sir, I mean, just looking at
them made So it's the first time it's been played
since twenty seventeen, so we're talking eight years since they've
sort of dusted it off and brought it back out.
I mean, we've had COVID in between that and whatnot,
so it seems to be, you know, a bit of
an after thought.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
We've got the.
Speaker 9 (07:31):
ICC T twenty World Cup, there's the fifty over comp
and then you know, there's this sort of I suppose
shortened high intensity Champions Trophy game where the top eight
teams and you know, you go through so effectively made
it sort of cuts out all the bollocks of a
World Cup at the beginning and you get down to
the business end. And that's essentially what this is so
(07:53):
it's you know, you've got to you got to win
from the start, and you know every match matters.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Simplicity.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I think this is something that a lot of us
really treasure in this day and age where there's so
many complexities and nuance around so many competitions in sport.
This is nice and simple to group. So for the
top two from each group play in the semi finals,
you have a final, and then bang, it's all over.
There's something refreshing about that, Chris.
Speaker 9 (08:17):
Yeah, it sort of goes back to us, like to
ninety two and the World Cup when we had the
nine teams and everybody played everybody, and you know, and
it was every every match, every match counted. And the
good thing with this tournament and may compared to some
of the elongated tournaments that they've done now to sort
of get extra games for you know, broadcast contracts and
revenues and delivering matches, et cetera. This is every every
(08:37):
game now will be a good game and or a
good match, and so you know that that's the positive
side to it. You shouldn't sit through too many one
side of or lopside of games, so you know, the
players will have to be up for it straight away,
where where it sort of sets sore is going forward?
You know, I don't know, you know, I really I
really don't. But look it's only I think, what it's
(08:59):
only a week and a half or two weeks, you know,
compared to a five or six week of a World Cup,
So you know it's a bit of a in there
and and sort of thrash it out and a winner.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
New Zellan I've got more than a starters chance of
actually doing well on this time.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
And haven't they?
Speaker 9 (09:14):
Yeah, I think they have made I mean then the leader,
you know, the form's been, perform has been great. But
then you look at the women's t twenty and their
form is horrendous and.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
They ended up winning the tournament.
Speaker 9 (09:23):
I think these tournaments are like that, right. I don't
think you can take any form before the tournament as
any indicator whatsoever. And so it comes into winning that
first match. You know, you get a good feel within
the camp and you get a roll on. It's as
simple as that.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Made.
Speaker 9 (09:40):
The teams that win first up I think sort of
give themselves a huge chance in the tournament straight away.
And New Zealand's done all the front running against Pakistan,
and the two matches that had just previously in the
warm up played brilliantly. You know, leed really really well
by Mitch Satner, both him and embraceful bowling. You know,
twenty overs of quality spin. Matt Henry just continues to
(10:03):
do what he does. You know, Willow Rawkes, he's he's
going to be special. And then you know, I've got
those power headers in the middle, so that they've got
a really nice unit New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
But look, we always have a nice unit.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
So you know, but Pakistan first up in Pakistan, not
having had any international tournament there for twenty years, they
were on a massive hot streak leading into the matches
against New Zealand and they hadn't lost any matches so
and they chased down three fifty I think against South
Africa as well in the tournament. So that's a dangerous,
dangerous team. So if you get the crowd going and
(10:38):
they get their tails up, I think Harris Ralf, I'm
not sure if he's still injured, but if he comes back,
you know, they've got a strong quick bowling trio. So
they're going to be really dangerous. Made if New Zealand
can can get up over this. That'll that'll, that'll set
them up really really well for the rest of the tournament.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
The Chamber is now in session on.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Sports X and direct from the news Talk z B
Sports news Room, if there's such a thing.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Director of Sport, Hey Wilson joins us in the Chamber. Hello, Clay.
There is a news room out there, isn't there?
Speaker 8 (11:13):
There is still a newsroom that runs out there, beavering
away and bringing the news.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
To the people, finding out everything we need to know
about sport, which is while we've got your you here
to talk about the big sports stories of the day,
I don't want to start off with the All Blacks
return to the scene of the crime, back to Soldier
Field in early November up against Ireland. I've got no money, right,
they need to sell this like quids and they will,
won't they?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (11:38):
Absolutely. I think like the the idea of taking games
to the US from the start and still remains to
be primarily for New Zealand rugby about cash and I
don't think you can blame them on a lot of
fronts really, obviously the game. You know, we've talked at
nauseum in various different contexts about New Zealand rugby in
(12:00):
their financial position and the need to drive revenue and
not and this time they've got a, like you say,
a storyline to kind of work around, haven't they, Because
they've had a game there it didn't go well for
the All Blacks, so now they can you know, work
that that kind of angle around this game as well.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I think it's consistency of appearances in the United States
of America. Plainly they're building up and up and up
with Major League rugby over there. I've got a lot
of expats over in the United States of America helping,
and of course the World Cup is on its way
for men and women, so they need traction and by
using the All Blacks, which is the biggest brain in
(12:37):
world rugby, to make it, I suppose common ground for
the American public. I think it's important slightly, but surely
they'll break through.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Possibly.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
Yeah, if people are going to continues on the rapey,
we say we're going to pay you X amount of
dollars if you bring the All Blacks here, and that's
something is significant, you know, in terms of the terms
of rugby. I think we've spoken about this as well.
Breaking through in the US I don't necessarily see it.
The landscape there is dominated by so many other sports.
But if rugby can get a small foothold in the
(13:07):
US one or two percent, whatever the figure is, it's
still a big market. It's still worth a lot of money.
So yeah, really, I no brainer that it sounded like
it was always going this way. They were trying to
make this this game happen, and it works well. In
terms of going over to do the northern two of
the End of View tour, they can stop and on
the way.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
I can guarantee they won't turn up half baked like
last time around, will they?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
It won't just be We'll be fine. It's just the
Irics to America. It's a display orps what want?
Speaker 8 (13:36):
Yeah, you know, like of this game is about primarily
about money. But for those players that were involved, and
even the ones that are playing now that watched on
there is that i'ment to it now that that that's,
like you say, the scene of the crime, those players
will want to get some kind of revenge, redemption, whatever
you want to call it, for what happened and how
significant that was. It was such a big blow to
kind of the all blacks, you know, or to whe
(13:59):
whenever you lose to a team you've never lost to.
So so yeah, look, I think this this game will
will have interest just for that alone.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Wait to them Americans starts splitting the halves up into
quarters so they can fit more commercial revenue.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Only a matter of time. Let's move away from that.
Let's move to the Champions Trophy gets under way tonight.
Where where does this sit for you? Because it's such
a pope.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Arri of icy seed tournaments non icy seed tournaments every
half an hour, there's another major.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Of cricket and I don't know is it losing it? Shine?
Where does this sit for you?
Speaker 8 (14:35):
Clay Well, we're just talking about money and Chicago and rugby.
Why was the Champions Trophy started in the first place?
From memory, it was around kind of generate more revenue
for cre So.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Where does the Champions Trophy sit for u? Clay Well,
I mean.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
It's a tournament, it's another tournament. What does it actually mean?
I don't really think it particularly has any kind of
real signal. That's a penicill event, Come on, man. But
that's not to say that I won't watch it. When
the black Caps are playing at an international level particularly
because quite often when the black Caps play, especially in
white ball cricket, if it's not an ICC tournament, it
(15:20):
doesn't what does it really mean? They play for rankings, okay, but.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
For all stuff, and it loses a bit of it's punch.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
Do we really care about it that much? Not that
we don't watch, but I just think, you know, when
you when you have a white ball white you have
white ball cricket matches that the black Caps are playing,
and they actually have a meaning for something. It's something
to get behind, especially if they do well. Right, So yeah,
let's let's see if people get behind it. But a
simple format, you know, two pools of four, you get
(15:49):
in the top two in your pool, you got to
semi finals, which is refreshing in this day and age,
isn't it. I don't know about you, but I feel
like so many talent's not even cricket these days, but
so many tournaments try and follow Football's Champions League. You
have to have a degree in like quantum physics to
figure out how the groups work, you know what I mean.
So it's refreshing, isn't it? To have a simple form?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Are you likely to stay out to the very grim
death that starts at ten finishes probably four or five
in the morning, is near.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
And talk to me when we get to a semi final,
a fair enough maybe a final, probably a semi final. Yeah,
come back, come back to me when we heard.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
The other lost cool peak your battles, and you'll know
exactly what I do, because the next few days at work,
well tomorrow specifically, it's going to be a train wreck
because I would have had absolutely no sleep. More soever,
moving on to yet another how many stories, how many consortiums,
how many groups of people are trying to get another
(16:49):
an RL team or get State of Origin over to
New Zealand. It's a broken recorders. Sir Graham Low, I
love him very much. Fantastic career. He's hitched his name
to another wagon. It's not happening. It's never going to happen,
is it.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (17:05):
I mean I don't see I don't see any signs
in the in the short to medium to even long
term future that it's going to happen. Obviously, the Southern Orcas,
which are one of the christ huge bids for a
new NRL team, they've come out and said that they
think they can get State of Origin to Christ Judge
obviously to Kaha. The new stadium is about to open.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
That's probably the biggest drawer car, possibly the only drawer car.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
But one thing that's really missing here is the NRL
saying anything about it. The ARL who effectively own and
run State of Origin, so the key.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Stakeholders haven't said anything. It's just some noise coming from
Christ here.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
Yeah, and look, without knowing, you know how much real
traction is behind this, and you know, if the NRL
are interested at all, what I can see in this
stuff today is that they haven't spoken to the NRL,
and the NRL haven't said anything about about this, and
(18:04):
that leads me to presume that this perhaps it could
just be a way of drumming up a bit of momentum,
a drive, even a way of getting the n L
to the table to talk about their bid to get
in the NRL. Is it just leverage for that? I
don't know, but you know, I think.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
They're using us, argue, they're using us to get into
the news.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Maybe someone will listen there too, busy schmoozing Donald Trump,
they're not listening.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
And do you know what I don't If I was them,
i'd probably be doing this the same things makes sense.
I don't necessarily blame them for it. I just think, yeah,
like you say, we've had that many stories and releases
about bids, and now a bid saying that they're going
to get stut of origin here. If the NRL, the ARL,
(18:50):
the organizations that control these things aren't saying anything, then
you know it's not really anything to get too weaked
up about, does it?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
They make a noise that definitely bumps the needle.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
If Peter Valandi's comes out and says we're actually quite
interested in that, boom, there's your story, you know, because
he won't say it if he doesn't really mean it.
And whether that's about the bid state of Origin coming
to New Zealand. But until that happens, and I haven't
seen any sign years until that happens. But great, great
(19:23):
if it happens. I mean, with the state of origins
in New Zealand, are you going to go and try
and watch that game?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Hell?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (19:28):
Yeah? So as a fan, bring it on. You know,
I would love for it to happen, but I'll get
excited when I know that it's actually happening.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Clay Wilson, Sports news director for News Talks here, be
get to back into that newsroom and round up some
of your staff and get on the working Thank you
very much for your time, mister wils So.
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
Be greetings, greetings, and warmness to you all.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
My name is Darcy Walter Rave and this is the
Sports Fix podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's a Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
It's the ninetheenth of February twenty twenty five and lined
up for your pleasure today, Chris Keynson joins us, former
Black Cat all rounder and a man who scored her
down in the final of the Champions Trophy way back
in the day.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We'll look forward to the opening game up against Pakistan.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I've got some opinion around the way the n Z
can climb their way out of the fiscal hole that
they've found themselves in might.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Not be popular.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
They might have to sell their sould to plastic, but
I think that it worked. And then Clay Wilson joined
us in the chamber of Clays, the sports news director
for News Talk to ZB.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
That's what we're doing, so let's get a mark slighted
up it down here on the Fix.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
In other news, I am sportsman, hear me raw Helberg,
sports bloke of the year gold medal Olympic hijack boss.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Hamish Ker might not be leaping at the upcoming World
Indoor Champs and Nanjing. He hasn't qualified, but he seems unconcerned.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
He's a busy lady.
Speaker 6 (01:32):
Come my season short Postparis, and I just meant I
didn't actually do any comps within the windows, so yeah,
still just trying to knock that off and then also
just trying to work out with a need to go.
Speaker 7 (01:41):
You know.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I think there's a lot of things kind of pulling
in vierious directions these days.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Dan Carter, Southbridge's greatest export, has joined the mob climbing
into Fantasy Super Rugby Pacific tweety twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Five at the behest of his child.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Carter, the husband of chemist warehouse speaker Honored Dylan, hasn't
covered himself in glory though, and he has to leave
his best pick on the bench this week.
Speaker 8 (02:06):
Yeah, I'm probably pretty low after one, although I did
have Dame McKenzie as captain, so he's got me a
few points. But I find the Crusaders this week, so
I think I must have dropped my captain.
Speaker 9 (02:17):
Mac sorry mate.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And seven times Fourgulna one World Champs. S Lewis Hamilton
has received a rousing reception at F one's official launch.
The Englishman who jumped ship from mer Sadies to Ferrari
in the off season is upbeat. Now just wait until
the wheels fall off and the Taphosi come acclling.
Speaker 10 (02:36):
In bigger easy, because I feel so full of life
and so much energy because everything's new, and just focus
on what's up ahead. I'm so proud to be a
part of the team, something new and exciting.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
The Taphosi here, that's the fanatical Italian Ferrari fan base,
and they are today's sports speak samples.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You say it's sports Fix with Dancie Valdegrave.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
As we all know in z Are aren't exactly great
with money. Well, they try really hard, but it just
seems to run through their fingers like sands through the
hour glass. These are the days of their lives. So
how can they get more cash? So Jim Radcliffe doesn't
want to give them any at all, not entirely sure
(03:24):
what's going on with silver Ac. I don't think anyone
else is either. So how do they pay the wagers
bill of all of the All Blacks and everybody else
beneath them. Here's my cunning plan. It's a master plan.
You can thank me later. There's a blake floating around
New Zealand at the moment that appears to be spending
a lot of time on Twitter, a lot of time
telling people exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
What he thinks. This bloke has also got powerful.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Amounts of cash, stupid amounts of money. How did he
get that money? Well, he's reconstituted plastic and sold it globally.
His name is Nick Mowbray. He's in charge or part
of the group that runs Zuru Toys. So why not
sell All Blacks naming rights to Zuru. This is It's
not as stupid as it seems. This is a fantastic
(04:11):
idea zero across the front of the All Blacks. Imagine
the licensing for the toys that they could sell once
they've climbed on with the all Blacks. It is all
most limitless. It will go absolutely global. They have a
knack for understanding what the kids want, and the kids,
of course are the growth area, and of course the
(04:34):
adults to what the kids want. It just grows exponentially.
He's been extraordinarily successful with Zeru. I think he wants
to do something good with his money and what can
be better than contributing to our national game. And the
All Blacks come on and said, are go and knock
on the door. You've got no money. You get scanned
(04:56):
by billionaires all the time. Why not move in with one.
We hope you can trust the All Blacks with Zeru.
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Dissecting the sporting agenda. It's Sportsfix with Darcy Waldgrave.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
That's more and welcome to the podcast to former Black
Cap all rounder and a man who smashed the winning
runs and the Champions Trophy way back in the day,
Chris Kensky. Chris, I trust you well and I'm looking
forward to the entertainment. Must be hard for you looking
at the Champions Trophy which does start at ten o'clock's
(05:34):
Pakistan without going all the way back in history to
that wonderful day when the Black CAP's actually won something
of promise and prominence and you scored the tonne hit
the winning run.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
So you got to go back there memory lane, don't you. Chris.
Speaker 9 (05:49):
It was more the fact that adam PERORI nearly broke
my back when he jumped on me sort of as
we were running off the field, which is sort of
quite a that's actually that's one of my most vivid
memories made of sort of turning around and seeing MAVs
sort of sprinting towards me and I'm going, he's not
slowing down, so boom I collected him and and we
headed off the field. And yeah, look it was a
(06:10):
it was a it was a wonderful I mean put
it in perspective. Look, we only won three games, right,
so I mean we won a global trophy. We big zim.
I didn't play the Semisu, we won the first machgan Zim.
I played the sim against Pakistan. Roger Two's played really
really well in that and so contributions from everybody. And
then in the final against the good Indian side and
(06:31):
and so mate, it was it was really rewarding with
a good group of guys and also you know under
Tristy and Jeff Crow to sort of share that, and
you know, and the late Christopher Dorg was in the
dressing room with us.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
On on that on that moment as well.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, one of the better CEOs I think New Zealand
Crickets either had Chris Still you know, you look back
with you roast in to classes because it was a
wonderful time and I still remember how stoked I was
watching that.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So we're doing it all over again. But let's talk
about the Champions Trophy and.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Where it actually sits in the landscape of cricket because
it is such a congested skyline now with peaks all
over the show.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I'm not even sure where this sits.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Do the players not? Does anybody know?
Speaker 10 (07:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (07:15):
I think you're right, sir, I mean, just looking at
them made So it's the first time it's been played
since twenty seventeen, so we're talking eight years since they've
sort of dusted it off and brought it back out.
I mean, we've had COVID in between that and whatnot,
so it seems to be, you know, a bit of
an after thought.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
We've got the.
Speaker 9 (07:31):
ICC T twenty World Cup, there's the fifty over comp
and then you know, there's this sort of I suppose
shortened high intensity Champions Trophy game where the top eight
teams and you know, you go through so effectively made
it sort of cuts out all the bollocks of a
World Cup at the beginning and you get down to
the business end. And that's essentially what this is so
(07:53):
it's you know, you've got to you got to win
from the start, and you know every match matters.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Simplicity.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I think this is something that a lot of us
really treasure in this day and age where there's so
many complexities and nuance around so many competitions in sport.
This is nice and simple to group. So for the
top two from each group play in the semi finals,
you have a final, and then bang, it's all over.
There's something refreshing about that, Chris.
Speaker 9 (08:17):
Yeah, it sort of goes back to us, like to
ninety two and the World Cup when we had the
nine teams and everybody played everybody, and you know, and
it was every every match, every match counted. And the
good thing with this tournament and may compared to some
of the elongated tournaments that they've done now to sort
of get extra games for you know, broadcast contracts and
revenues and delivering matches, et cetera. This is every every
(08:37):
game now will be a good game and or a
good match, and so you know that that's the positive
side to it. You shouldn't sit through too many one
side of or lopside of games, so you know, the
players will have to be up for it straight away,
where where it sort of sets sore is going forward?
You know, I don't know, you know, I really I
really don't. But look it's only I think, what it's
(08:59):
only a week and a half or two weeks, you know,
compared to a five or six week of a World Cup,
So you know it's a bit of a in there
and and sort of thrash it out and a winner.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
New Zellan I've got more than a starters chance of
actually doing well on this time.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
And haven't they?
Speaker 9 (09:14):
Yeah, I think they have made I mean then the leader,
you know, the form's been, perform has been great. But
then you look at the women's t twenty and their
form is horrendous and.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
They ended up winning the tournament.
Speaker 9 (09:23):
I think these tournaments are like that, right. I don't
think you can take any form before the tournament as
any indicator whatsoever. And so it comes into winning that
first match. You know, you get a good feel within
the camp and you get a roll on. It's as
simple as that.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Made.
Speaker 9 (09:40):
The teams that win first up I think sort of
give themselves a huge chance in the tournament straight away.
And New Zealand's done all the front running against Pakistan,
and the two matches that had just previously in the
warm up played brilliantly. You know, leed really really well
by Mitch Satner, both him and embraceful bowling. You know,
twenty overs of quality spin. Matt Henry just continues to
(10:03):
do what he does. You know, Willow Rawkes, he's he's
going to be special. And then you know, I've got
those power headers in the middle, so that they've got
a really nice unit New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
But look, we always have a nice unit.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
So you know, but Pakistan first up in Pakistan, not
having had any international tournament there for twenty years, they
were on a massive hot streak leading into the matches
against New Zealand and they hadn't lost any matches so
and they chased down three fifty I think against South
Africa as well in the tournament. So that's a dangerous,
dangerous team. So if you get the crowd going and
(10:38):
they get their tails up, I think Harris Ralf, I'm
not sure if he's still injured, but if he comes back,
you know, they've got a strong quick bowling trio. So
they're going to be really dangerous. Made if New Zealand
can can get up over this. That'll that'll, that'll set
them up really really well for the rest of the tournament.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
The Chamber is now in session on.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Sports X and direct from the news Talk z B
Sports news Room, if there's such a thing.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Director of Sport, Hey Wilson joins us in the Chamber. Hello, Clay.
There is a news room out there, isn't there?
Speaker 8 (11:13):
There is still a newsroom that runs out there, beavering
away and bringing the news.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
To the people, finding out everything we need to know
about sport, which is while we've got your you here
to talk about the big sports stories of the day,
I don't want to start off with the All Blacks
return to the scene of the crime, back to Soldier
Field in early November up against Ireland. I've got no money, right,
they need to sell this like quids and they will,
won't they?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (11:38):
Absolutely. I think like the the idea of taking games
to the US from the start and still remains to
be primarily for New Zealand rugby about cash and I
don't think you can blame them on a lot of
fronts really, obviously the game. You know, we've talked at
nauseum in various different contexts about New Zealand rugby in
(12:00):
their financial position and the need to drive revenue and
not and this time they've got a, like you say,
a storyline to kind of work around, haven't they, Because
they've had a game there it didn't go well for
the All Blacks, so now they can you know, work
that that kind of angle around this game as well.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I think it's consistency of appearances in the United States
of America. Plainly they're building up and up and up
with Major League rugby over there. I've got a lot
of expats over in the United States of America helping,
and of course the World Cup is on its way
for men and women, so they need traction and by
using the All Blacks, which is the biggest brain in
(12:37):
world rugby, to make it, I suppose common ground for
the American public. I think it's important slightly, but surely
they'll break through.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Possibly.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
Yeah, if people are going to continues on the rapey,
we say we're going to pay you X amount of
dollars if you bring the All Blacks here, and that's
something is significant, you know, in terms of the terms
of rugby. I think we've spoken about this as well.
Breaking through in the US I don't necessarily see it.
The landscape there is dominated by so many other sports.
But if rugby can get a small foothold in the
(13:07):
US one or two percent, whatever the figure is, it's
still a big market. It's still worth a lot of money.
So yeah, really, I no brainer that it sounded like
it was always going this way. They were trying to
make this this game happen, and it works well. In
terms of going over to do the northern two of
the End of View tour, they can stop and on
the way.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
I can guarantee they won't turn up half baked like
last time around, will they?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
It won't just be We'll be fine. It's just the
Irics to America. It's a display orps what want?
Speaker 8 (13:36):
Yeah, you know, like of this game is about primarily
about money. But for those players that were involved, and
even the ones that are playing now that watched on
there is that i'ment to it now that that that's,
like you say, the scene of the crime, those players
will want to get some kind of revenge, redemption, whatever
you want to call it, for what happened and how
significant that was. It was such a big blow to
kind of the all blacks, you know, or to whe
(13:59):
whenever you lose to a team you've never lost to.
So so yeah, look, I think this this game will
will have interest just for that alone.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Wait to them Americans starts splitting the halves up into
quarters so they can fit more commercial revenue.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Only a matter of time. Let's move away from that.
Let's move to the Champions Trophy gets under way tonight.
Where where does this sit for you? Because it's such
a pope.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Arri of icy seed tournaments non icy seed tournaments every
half an hour, there's another major.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Of cricket and I don't know is it losing it? Shine?
Where does this sit for you?
Speaker 8 (14:35):
Clay Well, we're just talking about money and Chicago and rugby.
Why was the Champions Trophy started in the first place?
From memory, it was around kind of generate more revenue
for cre So.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Where does the Champions Trophy sit for u? Clay Well,
I mean.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
It's a tournament, it's another tournament. What does it actually mean?
I don't really think it particularly has any kind of
real signal. That's a penicill event, Come on, man. But
that's not to say that I won't watch it. When
the black Caps are playing at an international level particularly
because quite often when the black Caps play, especially in
white ball cricket, if it's not an ICC tournament, it
(15:20):
doesn't what does it really mean? They play for rankings, okay, but.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
For all stuff, and it loses a bit of it's punch.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
Do we really care about it that much? Not that
we don't watch, but I just think, you know, when
you when you have a white ball white you have
white ball cricket matches that the black Caps are playing,
and they actually have a meaning for something. It's something
to get behind, especially if they do well. Right, So yeah,
let's let's see if people get behind it. But a
simple format, you know, two pools of four, you get
(15:49):
in the top two in your pool, you got to
semi finals, which is refreshing in this day and age,
isn't it. I don't know about you, but I feel
like so many talent's not even cricket these days, but
so many tournaments try and follow Football's Champions League. You
have to have a degree in like quantum physics to
figure out how the groups work, you know what I mean.
So it's refreshing, isn't it? To have a simple form?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Are you likely to stay out to the very grim
death that starts at ten finishes probably four or five
in the morning, is near.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
And talk to me when we get to a semi final,
a fair enough maybe a final, probably a semi final. Yeah,
come back, come back to me when we heard.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
The other lost cool peak your battles, and you'll know
exactly what I do, because the next few days at work,
well tomorrow specifically, it's going to be a train wreck
because I would have had absolutely no sleep. More soever,
moving on to yet another how many stories, how many consortiums,
how many groups of people are trying to get another
(16:49):
an RL team or get State of Origin over to
New Zealand. It's a broken recorders. Sir Graham Low, I
love him very much. Fantastic career. He's hitched his name
to another wagon. It's not happening. It's never going to happen,
is it.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (17:05):
I mean I don't see I don't see any signs
in the in the short to medium to even long
term future that it's going to happen. Obviously, the Southern Orcas,
which are one of the christ huge bids for a
new NRL team, they've come out and said that they
think they can get State of Origin to Christ Judge
obviously to Kaha. The new stadium is about to open.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
That's probably the biggest drawer car, possibly the only drawer car.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
But one thing that's really missing here is the NRL
saying anything about it. The ARL who effectively own and
run State of Origin, so the key.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Stakeholders haven't said anything. It's just some noise coming from
Christ here.
Speaker 8 (17:44):
Yeah, and look, without knowing, you know how much real
traction is behind this, and you know, if the NRL
are interested at all, what I can see in this
stuff today is that they haven't spoken to the NRL,
and the NRL haven't said anything about about this, and
(18:04):
that leads me to presume that this perhaps it could
just be a way of drumming up a bit of momentum,
a drive, even a way of getting the n L
to the table to talk about their bid to get
in the NRL. Is it just leverage for that? I
don't know, but you know, I think.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
They're using us, argue, they're using us to get into
the news.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Maybe someone will listen there too, busy schmoozing Donald Trump,
they're not listening.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
And do you know what I don't If I was them,
i'd probably be doing this the same things makes sense.
I don't necessarily blame them for it. I just think, yeah,
like you say, we've had that many stories and releases
about bids, and now a bid saying that they're going
to get stut of origin here. If the NRL, the ARL,
(18:50):
the organizations that control these things aren't saying anything, then
you know it's not really anything to get too weaked
up about, does it?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
They make a noise that definitely bumps the needle.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
If Peter Valandi's comes out and says we're actually quite
interested in that, boom, there's your story, you know, because
he won't say it if he doesn't really mean it.
And whether that's about the bid state of Origin coming
to New Zealand. But until that happens, and I haven't
seen any sign years until that happens. But great, great
(19:23):
if it happens. I mean, with the state of origins
in New Zealand, are you going to go and try
and watch that game?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Hell?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (19:28):
Yeah? So as a fan, bring it on. You know,
I would love for it to happen, but I'll get
excited when I know that it's actually happening.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Clay Wilson, Sports news director for News Talks here, be
get to back into that newsroom and round up some
of your staff and get on the working Thank you
very much for your time, mister wils So.
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