July 25, 2024 • 19 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Thursday 25 July 2024 - Sports Lawyer Aaron Lloyd talks about what legal ramifications the Canadian Football team could be subject to after another drone was discovered.
D'Arcy delivers an opinion piece on the All Blacks playing yet another game in USA.
Plus, Newstalk ZB Sports Journalist Nathan Limm joins the panel to discuss the incredible start from the All Blacks Sevens and Oly Whites.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Here it is on our Thursday, the twenty fifth of
July twenty twenty four. Everything you need to know about
sport over the last twenty four right here, right now.
Of course, it would be insane if we had to
walk away from the drone scandal currently.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Engulfing the football.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Ferns, the Canadian women's team and of course the Olympic
Games were joined by Aaron Lloyd, a sports lawyer, to
look at the ramifications of the decision that was made
by the Canadians not just to cheat once, but to
cheat twice.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Where does this go?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
How is it handled not only by the IOC, but
by FIFA and everybody else concerned? Aaron joins us shortly,
it's some an opinion around returning to the scene of
the crime. The All Black, according to World Rugby, are
going back to Chicago to playoff game of rugby up
against Ireland. To remember last time that happened the Irish
(01:20):
rolled the All Blacks. That was not a happy day.
We'll talk about that, the whys, the watts, the who's,
the howse and my editorial and then the chamber is opened.
The doors are going to be welcoming, mister Nathan Limb,
sports news journalist, as we pick through Olympic news. Of course,
the drone scandal and a very successful start for New
(01:40):
Zealand three from three on the opening morning.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
That's what we've got planned get amongst in other news.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
And in sport today, it's all about football. Coach of
Olympic Football Villains Canada has offered this in response to
the drone controversy that has exploded over the games. Bev
Priestman has stood herself down for tomorrow Morning's New Zealand
Next year. There's details regarding this small and doors don't
necessarily sit directly with me, but ultimately I am accountable
(02:12):
for any action that happens inside of this come and
more positive Olympic football stories. The Oli Whites talked up
their first victory of the games of the two to
one win over Guinea. Jason Pine on gold Sport with
the call the Olli Whites are all right.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
At Paris twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
They opened with victory over.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Guinea Inn and still with the beautiful game. Auckland City
FC has announced their first overseas signing manager Steve Corriker,
with more on Japanese international Hiroki Sakai.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
He does speak English show.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think once he gets used to all learning and
the players, he'll be a real leader for us.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
He's going to be great for the younger boys. It's
going to help him. We do need a couple of
senior players.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And that's sports today, football football, football.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
He shoots, he scales, leading of X.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
We've got just the ticket. It's sports Fix News Talks IVY.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
We are talking now the vagaries of the law around
the Olympic Games and the huge controversy it's exploded over
the drone use by the Canadian women's football team. Sports
integrity lawyer from Minta Allison Rudd Watts.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Aaron Lloyd joins us.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Now, Aaron, welcome to the show. This is well, I'd
say it's a minefield, isn't it. There are so many
threads to this story.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah, and there are a few sort of integrity stories
leading into the games, aren't they? And this one's arguably
the biggest one for us here in New Zealand, given
it's affecting us and it's relating to spying on us.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
So we start from the start.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
We'll start unpacking this first up, we thought it was
a one off incident. Overnight, it's developed. No, there are recidivists,
maybe twice is not recidivus actions enough there? And the
action has been taken. A couple of the coaches have
been sent through, sent home, one of them has stepped
down initially. Is that enough for you? Do you think
to issue some form of sanction or punishment?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
That's interesting, right, because you got ask well, what would
we want out of it? Well, certainly we would want
personal accountability for those who are involved wh shouldn't have
been doing these things. And it looks like the Canadians
have stepped up pretty quickly and pretty sensibly to start
dealing with that. But no, Look, I would have thought
the New Zealand Olympic Committee's made it pretty clear as
well as New Zealand Football that they're pretty unhappy with this,
(04:29):
and I would have thought this is something that the
International Olympic Committee is going to need to respond to.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Not only the IOC.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But FIFA because this is their brand, isn't it, So
I'd expect that'd be complicit in any form of sanction.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, look, look I think that must be right. I mean,
the first thing you've got to ask is, you know,
what are the rules of the competition in which this
occurs in So you know, the Olympic Games is a
pretty detailed set of rules regarding a range of aspects,
and it links to the Olympic Charter. This kind of
thing just isn't okay when you think about what the
Olympic Charter talks about fenness, principles of fairness, principles of integrity.
(05:03):
So the IOC, and it's the IOC's competition, the elect
the Olympic Games is the sort of headline petition for them.
So the IOC really needs to step in here and
manage this. I think if they're going to retain credibility
over this competition being run with integrity, and then FIFA, well,
FIFA can probably look to see what the IOC does first,
given it in their backyard, but I would have thought
(05:24):
FIFA needs to step in as well, and if anything
further needs to happen, then FIFA will need to step
in and deal with it as well.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, on a scale of one to teen, though, this
is extraordinarily serious for the Olympics, for FIFA and for Canada.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
This is not something you can brush under the carpet
and go, oh, well, never mind, let's move on. Look,
I think that's right.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I think gone of the days where we in sport
look around and go, well, look, any means necessary to
obtain the advantage is okay, you know, And look, this
isn't the first sport to have a spying scandal. We've
had it in rugby union, Bill Belichick and the co
had it in the NFL. Look, people are constantly at
elite level going to be trying to get an edge.
You're trying You're going to be trying to get intelligence
(06:03):
on the team, You're doing video analysis on them. It's
a slope towards putting a drown up and flying over
their practice. But clearly that's crossing the line. And I
think unless we want to free for all, this is
an opportunity, particularly in the context of the Olympics, to
the IOC and perhaps Fever as well, to put a
bit of a line in the end and go, look,
(06:24):
you know, that's clearly over the line, and here's what's
going to happen to it so that we can disincentivize
others from doing it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I'd like to talk about more about the drone and
the prohibited zone that it was flying, and that's another
three another kettle of fish. But before that, around the
integrity and the expected behavior of these Olympics sides. Is
this made clear before each nation climbs into the Olympics.
Is a set out in black and white and stone
thout shalt.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Not well, probably not to the level of thou shalt
not fly a drone over a competing team's practice, but
certainly you would think that anyone you're familiar with clean
sport and in sports integrity principles, and those principles are
certainly set out in the Olympic Charter, you would look
at this and you would go that crosses a line
and it goes too far. As I understand it from
(07:12):
the reporting, there's certainly a certain amount of sort of
deception around it. As you've already identified information around how
prevalent this was has come out and drips and drabs
that suggests that no one was completely forthcoming to begin
with around what the practice was. If your practice is
legitimate and you're comfortable with it, you're going to come
forward and talk about your full practice. To begin with,
(07:34):
aren't you so the fact that you don't in the
fact that you sort of drip feed some of the
details or some of the details come out later, suggesting
in and of itself, the people that were doing it
knew that what they were doing was wrong. But look,
there wasn't going to be a black and white rule
to cover every single scenario, and integrity doesn't work like that.
We set a set of rules around the stuff. That's
really clear. We set a set of principles that people follow,
(07:55):
and people have to use and exercise their judgment. And clearly,
clearly no one who is flying a drone over another
team's practice think that that's okay. They do think it's okay,
then you're not setting your principal standards right. To begin
with a.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
We're joined by sports lawyer Aaron Lloyd from Mentor Allison
Rudd and w how deep should this investigation go? Considering
the subterfuge engaged by the Canadians, as you were just
pointing out, do you expect this to be more than considerable.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
They'll did pretty deep, won't they.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Well, you'd think they would. I mean the key is
going to be is this organizational or is it the individuals?
You know, if it was Canadian Football that condoned this,
how widespread is this practice? Is it widespread with other teams?
What about the Canadian men's team? What about does this
go on in the Canadian Premier League? What kind of
behavior is that? I would have thought Canadian Football will
(08:48):
want to have a pretty good look at it itself,
and in doing that they may be able to appease
the IOC and may be able to appease FEFIT to
a degree. Because if Canadian Football come out and say, look,
this is not okay, we're going to investigate ourselves and
we're going to get to the bottom of it, and
we're going to set some pretty clear rules and we're
going to discipline the people who are involved. Certainly, if
(09:09):
they're smart, that's how they'll approach it, and that's how
they want to embrace it where it will become a
problem for them if, as it turns out, this is
a well condoned If it was to be a well
condoned practice in the organization and if it's the organization
and not just rogue individuals within the organization, that's when
it really becomes a big problem. But you wouldn't look,
you wouldn't have expected, you wouldn't expect. So, by and large,
(09:30):
with some exceptions, most international sports bodies and national sports
bodies get the rules, they want to play by them.
They do what they can to enforce their teams around it.
Where you're getting people pushing the boundaries will often be
individual athletes or individual coaches. So that's how it looks
in this instance. It probably is how it is, but
I think what IOC and FIFA will want to do
(09:51):
is investigated enough to make clear whether that's the case.
And if it turns out this is rogue employees, as
the Canadians are saying it is, then you deal with
those employees, you reinforce the rules, and I guess you
move on. But that's a matter for the IOC and
FIFA to do because if they don't do that well,
then people will doubt whether there's real integrity.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Partner from Minta Ellison A Rudd.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
What's the legal firmat mister Aaron Lloyd be thank you
so much for your time. Look after yourself and enjoy
the Olympic Games, as after all, is there for fun, right,
Thanks Darcy.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
This is Sportsfix, your daily dose of sports news, how news.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Talksv been announced today by World Rugby that the All
Blacks are back to stuff their pockets with money at
the expense of the Americans. But of course it's not
just the All Blacks or Ends that are that are
making this coin. It's all about World Rugby and their
attempt to get some kind of traction, some foothold in
the American sports market, which as we know, is enormous
(10:54):
and absolutely stuffed with coin.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
This is the thin end of the wedge.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Slowly but surely we're getting used to the fact that
the All Black's going to be playing less and less
here than our TIERROA. We saw that in San Diego
last week. The possible of this game against Fiji being
played possibly in Suva or maybe at one of the
smaller grounds in New Zealand was always going to be
gzumped by the promise of exposure and cash from the
(11:21):
American audience. Look at makes sense, it's development of the game.
The only constant in the game is changed, whether or
not the public are going to sit comfortably with the
fact that their great product, the All Blacks, are going
to be seen less and less here at home. It
really doesn't matter. New Zealand Rugby need as much coin
as they possibly can. World Rugby need as much coin
(11:43):
as they possibly can, and they are going to attempt
in every way, shape or form to drag the Americans
into this game.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
So you can be a little upset.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You can go no, not Soldier Field, don't go back
to Chicago again, not where the Irish roll is, especially
considering the game featured in Chicago next year is The
Irish Again, which should celebrate the fact that things.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Going well and good.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
The game will grow exponentially in young New Zealand players,
whether we see them playing here or not, have a
pathway to a professional game. Of course, the bigger picture
is how long does the game last? When you look
at the tyranny of head knocks that will hang over
the game and take into account what's happened in the NFL,
(12:31):
I don't think that's going to be missed by our
American friends. Watch the space, You'll watch the Telly, which
is really where we're going to see the majority of
All Black tests in the future. I don't think they'll
leave New Zealand full time. We'll get them still from
time to time, but the future is outside of these
shaky asles.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I we'll join now in the Chamber by Nathan Limb
from Newstalk's AIRBS. A sports news journalist is also a
TikTok monster, a podcaster.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
With the real slimlin shady. Please stand up, Nathan Linn.
Welcome into the shame. I'm here, great to be here,
does it right? Let's talk about what's going on. It's
all about Olympics right now.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Let's faces everything else pales into insignificance over the next
two weeks, doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Oh yeah, of course, why shouldn't it. I mean the Olympics,
biggest sporting event on the calendar period outside of the
football World Cup.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And I think the worry is a stoked that everyone's
going to be watching the other channel. Less said about that.
The better the big issue, and this issue gets better
and better and better. I hate to think what's going
to happen come tomorrow. The Canadian drone scandal. I'm not
going to call it drone gate because I'm tired that
it's a drone scandal. The latest is well, who's not
(13:45):
involved in the Canadian side.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Right, I know, it's ridiculous. It just keeps going and
going and going. It's like you could have a wall,
you know in those crime documentaries and they've got or
crime movies and they've got different photos up on the
wall and the links between everyone. Because the coach Bev Priestman,
it turns out was head of football at New Zealand Football,
so that's a weird New Zealand link as well. But
(14:07):
she's obviously stood as down from this opening match and
two staff members have been sent home, ones on an
eight month suspended prison sentence. This has got totally out
of control in terms of the Canadian right, this is a.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Flying the zone and a prohibit by the drone in
a prohibited area exactly.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Yes, it's like unmanned aircraft in in a prohibited area
and that's an eight months suspended prison center. So this
has got very very messy, very quickly. And the Canadians
this this has just totally been an explosive start to there.
It's their Olympic title defense because they're actually the reigning champions.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
New Zealand are not expected to do very well at all.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
To have it so, to have the the reigning champions
spying on really one of the minnows who they're expected
to well beat, it's just sort of a bizarre thing
to have happened. Ironically, this has probably given New Zealand
a chance because the Canadian heads will be in disarray.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Maybe, just maybe it was a bit of preparation for
when they want to spy on the real opposition. Maybe
this was a dry spy run. And plainly it's been
an absolute failure because they got corporate to you, does
it smack of stupidity more than anything else? What in
what world do they think they'd better get away with this?
(15:21):
There are so many threads to it. They flying the
drone in a prohibited area. They're like, it didn't get
shot out of the sky by the gen Darmes.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
None of this is smart, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Well, given the amount of security, it's just strange to
have arrived at that being a conclusion that of something
that would be good to do. To be honest, this
to me screams of something that they just didn't think
through it all. They thought, oh, let's let's be a
bit cheeky, let's throw a Joane up there, and they didn't.
They didn't really give it too much thought. They just
sort of did it and then oh no, one of
them is going to be in prison for eight months, so.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
It's just suspended.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Yeah, yeah, but the consequences I just don't think. Obviously
it wasn't thought through and they've they've made a huge error.
That's remains to be seen how it'll actually affect Canada
on the field, but very very embarrassing for them.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I don't know why New Zealand Football aren't making comment
around this. I've got a funny feeling I know why,
because they say nothing constantly. But surely you'd think that
pregnant or somebody would get on the wireless never yarn
about this. They've visually a statement and they're staying still.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Well, we've heard through the canadi camp obviously that they've
requested that Canada not be given any points from the match,
regardless of the results. Surely that's something that you'd want
to put a voice to. It's something that could go
around the media a lot more before the game and
get a little bit more momentum before the game, because
really this is something they could capitalize on well and
(16:47):
truly and could boost their hopes of actually making it
out of the pool stages at the Olympics. So yeah,
I agree with you. I think it's bizarre that they
haven't come out and made a real point of talking
about this. Obviously Chef de Micheon Nigel Avery has, but
Andrew Pragnell could be out here right now really ramping
it up.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I think though that thief is involved now too, and
they'll just be like gently tipped to home. We don't
want an upset fever a little their money, so I
want to say nothing. But this is said football four year,
isn't it anyway? Hey, a positive Olympic news. Great start
for a New Zealand. In the football, the Oli Whitees
got the win two one fantastic and in the sevens. Look,
I think that Japan was probably always going to be
(17:26):
easy enough in the sevens. But to beat let's bock
the South Africans. This is three wins from three fantastic
to start the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Yeah, couldn't really have started much better, how could? Has
Ben Wayne? Obviously the Olive White's getting up over a guinea,
but obviously much tougher opposition to come. So this was
one day they would be very glad to just have
in the bank. They've got off to a winning start
and given themselves an opportunity to make it out of
the pools. The New Zealand sevens teams I mean, yeah,
being South Africa was the big banana skin. I guess
(17:54):
in the pool. They've still got Ireland I believe left
in their pool to get pass. But yeah, couldn't have
started much better and let's just hope it continues. We've got,
you know, ten twelve days of this to come plus
so it's going to be a fun two weeks.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Have a little master planned to get through this, because
you can justify no sleep and ignoring your friends and
your partner and everything else because it's your job.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
You get paid to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But what's your plan behind actually staying conscious, actually picking
anything up?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Have you got one?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I don't really, I sort of I'm just gonna stone
wall my way through this, and well I'll pick my events.
I think this is ironically, this whole drone thing has
got me really interested football versus Canada game me, so
I'll probably get up for that tomorrow morning. So look,
it's going to be a two weeks that's going to
take me about a month to recover from. But the
(18:44):
Olympics are only around every four years, so let's get
into it.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Indeed, I'm with you one hundi and I get to
call at work too. It's criminal almost, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Nathan Limb, thanks for joining us there in the chamber
and maybe go and sleep on the floor for a
twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Power Naps is probably your futurism. Thank you.
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Here it is on our Thursday, the twenty fifth of
July twenty twenty four. Everything you need to know about
sport over the last twenty four right here, right now.
Of course, it would be insane if we had to
walk away from the drone scandal currently.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Engulfing the football.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Ferns, the Canadian women's team and of course the Olympic
Games were joined by Aaron Lloyd, a sports lawyer, to
look at the ramifications of the decision that was made
by the Canadians not just to cheat once, but to
cheat twice.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Where does this go?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
How is it handled not only by the IOC, but
by FIFA and everybody else concerned? Aaron joins us shortly,
it's some an opinion around returning to the scene of
the crime. The All Black, according to World Rugby, are
going back to Chicago to playoff game of rugby up
against Ireland. To remember last time that happened the Irish
(01:20):
rolled the All Blacks. That was not a happy day.
We'll talk about that, the whys, the watts, the who's,
the howse and my editorial and then the chamber is opened.
The doors are going to be welcoming, mister Nathan Limb,
sports news journalist, as we pick through Olympic news. Of course,
the drone scandal and a very successful start for New
(01:40):
Zealand three from three on the opening morning.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
That's what we've got planned get amongst in other news.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
And in sport today, it's all about football. Coach of
Olympic Football Villains Canada has offered this in response to
the drone controversy that has exploded over the games. Bev
Priestman has stood herself down for tomorrow Morning's New Zealand
Next year. There's details regarding this small and doors don't
necessarily sit directly with me, but ultimately I am accountable
(02:12):
for any action that happens inside of this come and
more positive Olympic football stories. The Oli Whites talked up
their first victory of the games of the two to
one win over Guinea. Jason Pine on gold Sport with
the call the Olli Whites are all right.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
At Paris twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
They opened with victory over.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Guinea Inn and still with the beautiful game. Auckland City
FC has announced their first overseas signing manager Steve Corriker,
with more on Japanese international Hiroki Sakai.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
He does speak English show.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I think once he gets used to all learning and
the players, he'll be a real leader for us.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
He's going to be great for the younger boys. It's
going to help him. We do need a couple of
senior players.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And that's sports today, football football, football.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
He shoots, he scales, leading of X.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
We've got just the ticket. It's sports Fix News Talks IVY.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
We are talking now the vagaries of the law around
the Olympic Games and the huge controversy it's exploded over
the drone use by the Canadian women's football team. Sports
integrity lawyer from Minta Allison Rudd Watts.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Aaron Lloyd joins us.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Now, Aaron, welcome to the show. This is well, I'd
say it's a minefield, isn't it. There are so many
threads to this story.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah, and there are a few sort of integrity stories
leading into the games, aren't they? And this one's arguably
the biggest one for us here in New Zealand, given
it's affecting us and it's relating to spying on us.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
So we start from the start.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
We'll start unpacking this first up, we thought it was
a one off incident. Overnight, it's developed. No, there are recidivists,
maybe twice is not recidivus actions enough there? And the
action has been taken. A couple of the coaches have
been sent through, sent home, one of them has stepped
down initially. Is that enough for you? Do you think
to issue some form of sanction or punishment?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
That's interesting, right, because you got ask well, what would
we want out of it? Well, certainly we would want
personal accountability for those who are involved wh shouldn't have
been doing these things. And it looks like the Canadians
have stepped up pretty quickly and pretty sensibly to start
dealing with that. But no, Look, I would have thought
the New Zealand Olympic Committee's made it pretty clear as
well as New Zealand Football that they're pretty unhappy with this,
(04:29):
and I would have thought this is something that the
International Olympic Committee is going to need to respond to.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Not only the IOC.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But FIFA because this is their brand, isn't it, So
I'd expect that'd be complicit in any form of sanction.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, look, look I think that must be right. I mean,
the first thing you've got to ask is, you know,
what are the rules of the competition in which this
occurs in So you know, the Olympic Games is a
pretty detailed set of rules regarding a range of aspects,
and it links to the Olympic Charter. This kind of
thing just isn't okay when you think about what the
Olympic Charter talks about fenness, principles of fairness, principles of integrity.
(05:03):
So the IOC, and it's the IOC's competition, the elect
the Olympic Games is the sort of headline petition for them.
So the IOC really needs to step in here and
manage this. I think if they're going to retain credibility
over this competition being run with integrity, and then FIFA, well,
FIFA can probably look to see what the IOC does first,
given it in their backyard, but I would have thought
(05:24):
FIFA needs to step in as well, and if anything
further needs to happen, then FIFA will need to step
in and deal with it as well.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, on a scale of one to teen, though, this
is extraordinarily serious for the Olympics, for FIFA and for Canada.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
This is not something you can brush under the carpet
and go, oh, well, never mind, let's move on. Look,
I think that's right.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I think gone of the days where we in sport
look around and go, well, look, any means necessary to
obtain the advantage is okay, you know, And look, this
isn't the first sport to have a spying scandal. We've
had it in rugby union, Bill Belichick and the co
had it in the NFL. Look, people are constantly at
elite level going to be trying to get an edge.
You're trying You're going to be trying to get intelligence
(06:03):
on the team, You're doing video analysis on them. It's
a slope towards putting a drown up and flying over
their practice. But clearly that's crossing the line. And I
think unless we want to free for all, this is
an opportunity, particularly in the context of the Olympics, to
the IOC and perhaps Fever as well, to put a
bit of a line in the end and go, look,
(06:24):
you know, that's clearly over the line, and here's what's
going to happen to it so that we can disincentivize
others from doing it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I'd like to talk about more about the drone and
the prohibited zone that it was flying, and that's another
three another kettle of fish. But before that, around the
integrity and the expected behavior of these Olympics sides. Is
this made clear before each nation climbs into the Olympics.
Is a set out in black and white and stone
thout shalt.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Not well, probably not to the level of thou shalt
not fly a drone over a competing team's practice, but
certainly you would think that anyone you're familiar with clean
sport and in sports integrity principles, and those principles are
certainly set out in the Olympic Charter, you would look
at this and you would go that crosses a line
and it goes too far. As I understand it from
(07:12):
the reporting, there's certainly a certain amount of sort of
deception around it. As you've already identified information around how
prevalent this was has come out and drips and drabs
that suggests that no one was completely forthcoming to begin
with around what the practice was. If your practice is
legitimate and you're comfortable with it, you're going to come
forward and talk about your full practice. To begin with,
(07:34):
aren't you so the fact that you don't in the
fact that you sort of drip feed some of the
details or some of the details come out later, suggesting
in and of itself, the people that were doing it
knew that what they were doing was wrong. But look,
there wasn't going to be a black and white rule
to cover every single scenario, and integrity doesn't work like that.
We set a set of rules around the stuff. That's
really clear. We set a set of principles that people follow,
(07:55):
and people have to use and exercise their judgment. And clearly,
clearly no one who is flying a drone over another
team's practice think that that's okay. They do think it's okay,
then you're not setting your principal standards right. To begin
with a.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
We're joined by sports lawyer Aaron Lloyd from Mentor Allison
Rudd and w how deep should this investigation go? Considering
the subterfuge engaged by the Canadians, as you were just
pointing out, do you expect this to be more than considerable.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
They'll did pretty deep, won't they.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Well, you'd think they would. I mean the key is
going to be is this organizational or is it the individuals?
You know, if it was Canadian Football that condoned this,
how widespread is this practice? Is it widespread with other teams?
What about the Canadian men's team? What about does this
go on in the Canadian Premier League? What kind of
behavior is that? I would have thought Canadian Football will
(08:48):
want to have a pretty good look at it itself,
and in doing that they may be able to appease
the IOC and may be able to appease FEFIT to
a degree. Because if Canadian Football come out and say, look,
this is not okay, we're going to investigate ourselves and
we're going to get to the bottom of it, and
we're going to set some pretty clear rules and we're
going to discipline the people who are involved. Certainly, if
(09:09):
they're smart, that's how they'll approach it, and that's how
they want to embrace it where it will become a
problem for them if, as it turns out, this is
a well condoned If it was to be a well
condoned practice in the organization and if it's the organization
and not just rogue individuals within the organization, that's when
it really becomes a big problem. But you wouldn't look,
you wouldn't have expected, you wouldn't expect. So, by and large,
(09:30):
with some exceptions, most international sports bodies and national sports
bodies get the rules, they want to play by them.
They do what they can to enforce their teams around it.
Where you're getting people pushing the boundaries will often be
individual athletes or individual coaches. So that's how it looks
in this instance. It probably is how it is, but
I think what IOC and FIFA will want to do
(09:51):
is investigated enough to make clear whether that's the case.
And if it turns out this is rogue employees, as
the Canadians are saying it is, then you deal with
those employees, you reinforce the rules, and I guess you
move on. But that's a matter for the IOC and
FIFA to do because if they don't do that well,
then people will doubt whether there's real integrity.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Partner from Minta Ellison A Rudd.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
What's the legal firmat mister Aaron Lloyd be thank you
so much for your time. Look after yourself and enjoy
the Olympic Games, as after all, is there for fun, right,
Thanks Darcy.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
This is Sportsfix, your daily dose of sports news, how news.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Talksv been announced today by World Rugby that the All
Blacks are back to stuff their pockets with money at
the expense of the Americans. But of course it's not
just the All Blacks or Ends that are that are
making this coin. It's all about World Rugby and their
attempt to get some kind of traction, some foothold in
the American sports market, which as we know, is enormous
(10:54):
and absolutely stuffed with coin.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
This is the thin end of the wedge.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Slowly but surely we're getting used to the fact that
the All Black's going to be playing less and less
here than our TIERROA. We saw that in San Diego
last week. The possible of this game against Fiji being
played possibly in Suva or maybe at one of the
smaller grounds in New Zealand was always going to be
gzumped by the promise of exposure and cash from the
(11:21):
American audience. Look at makes sense, it's development of the game.
The only constant in the game is changed, whether or
not the public are going to sit comfortably with the
fact that their great product, the All Blacks, are going
to be seen less and less here at home. It
really doesn't matter. New Zealand Rugby need as much coin
as they possibly can. World Rugby need as much coin
(11:43):
as they possibly can, and they are going to attempt
in every way, shape or form to drag the Americans
into this game.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
So you can be a little upset.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You can go no, not Soldier Field, don't go back
to Chicago again, not where the Irish roll is, especially
considering the game featured in Chicago next year is The
Irish Again, which should celebrate the fact that things.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Going well and good.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
The game will grow exponentially in young New Zealand players,
whether we see them playing here or not, have a
pathway to a professional game. Of course, the bigger picture
is how long does the game last? When you look
at the tyranny of head knocks that will hang over
the game and take into account what's happened in the NFL,
(12:31):
I don't think that's going to be missed by our
American friends. Watch the space, You'll watch the Telly, which
is really where we're going to see the majority of
All Black tests in the future. I don't think they'll
leave New Zealand full time. We'll get them still from
time to time, but the future is outside of these
shaky asles.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I we'll join now in the Chamber by Nathan Limb
from Newstalk's AIRBS. A sports news journalist is also a
TikTok monster, a podcaster.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
With the real slimlin shady. Please stand up, Nathan Linn.
Welcome into the shame. I'm here, great to be here,
does it right? Let's talk about what's going on. It's
all about Olympics right now.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Let's faces everything else pales into insignificance over the next
two weeks, doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Oh yeah, of course, why shouldn't it. I mean the Olympics,
biggest sporting event on the calendar period outside of the
football World Cup.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And I think the worry is a stoked that everyone's
going to be watching the other channel. Less said about that.
The better the big issue, and this issue gets better
and better and better. I hate to think what's going
to happen come tomorrow. The Canadian drone scandal. I'm not
going to call it drone gate because I'm tired that
it's a drone scandal. The latest is well, who's not
(13:45):
involved in the Canadian side.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Right, I know, it's ridiculous. It just keeps going and
going and going. It's like you could have a wall,
you know in those crime documentaries and they've got or
crime movies and they've got different photos up on the
wall and the links between everyone. Because the coach Bev Priestman,
it turns out was head of football at New Zealand Football,
so that's a weird New Zealand link as well. But
(14:07):
she's obviously stood as down from this opening match and
two staff members have been sent home, ones on an
eight month suspended prison sentence. This has got totally out
of control in terms of the Canadian right, this is a.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Flying the zone and a prohibit by the drone in
a prohibited area exactly.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Yes, it's like unmanned aircraft in in a prohibited area
and that's an eight months suspended prison center. So this
has got very very messy, very quickly. And the Canadians
this this has just totally been an explosive start to there.
It's their Olympic title defense because they're actually the reigning champions.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
New Zealand are not expected to do very well at all.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
To have it so, to have the the reigning champions
spying on really one of the minnows who they're expected
to well beat, it's just sort of a bizarre thing
to have happened. Ironically, this has probably given New Zealand
a chance because the Canadian heads will be in disarray.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Maybe, just maybe it was a bit of preparation for
when they want to spy on the real opposition. Maybe
this was a dry spy run. And plainly it's been
an absolute failure because they got corporate to you, does
it smack of stupidity more than anything else? What in
what world do they think they'd better get away with this?
(15:21):
There are so many threads to it. They flying the
drone in a prohibited area. They're like, it didn't get
shot out of the sky by the gen Darmes.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
None of this is smart, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Well, given the amount of security, it's just strange to
have arrived at that being a conclusion that of something
that would be good to do. To be honest, this
to me screams of something that they just didn't think
through it all. They thought, oh, let's let's be a
bit cheeky, let's throw a Joane up there, and they didn't.
They didn't really give it too much thought. They just
sort of did it and then oh no, one of
them is going to be in prison for eight months, so.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
It's just suspended.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Yeah, yeah, but the consequences I just don't think. Obviously
it wasn't thought through and they've they've made a huge error.
That's remains to be seen how it'll actually affect Canada
on the field, but very very embarrassing for them.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I don't know why New Zealand Football aren't making comment
around this. I've got a funny feeling I know why,
because they say nothing constantly. But surely you'd think that
pregnant or somebody would get on the wireless never yarn
about this. They've visually a statement and they're staying still.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Well, we've heard through the canadi camp obviously that they've
requested that Canada not be given any points from the match,
regardless of the results. Surely that's something that you'd want
to put a voice to. It's something that could go
around the media a lot more before the game and
get a little bit more momentum before the game, because
really this is something they could capitalize on well and
(16:47):
truly and could boost their hopes of actually making it
out of the pool stages at the Olympics. So yeah,
I agree with you. I think it's bizarre that they
haven't come out and made a real point of talking
about this. Obviously Chef de Micheon Nigel Avery has, but
Andrew Pragnell could be out here right now really ramping
it up.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I think though that thief is involved now too, and
they'll just be like gently tipped to home. We don't
want an upset fever a little their money, so I
want to say nothing. But this is said football four year,
isn't it anyway? Hey, a positive Olympic news. Great start
for a New Zealand. In the football, the Oli Whitees
got the win two one fantastic and in the sevens. Look,
I think that Japan was probably always going to be
(17:26):
easy enough in the sevens. But to beat let's bock
the South Africans. This is three wins from three fantastic
to start the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Yeah, couldn't really have started much better, how could? Has
Ben Wayne? Obviously the Olive White's getting up over a guinea,
but obviously much tougher opposition to come. So this was
one day they would be very glad to just have
in the bank. They've got off to a winning start
and given themselves an opportunity to make it out of
the pools. The New Zealand sevens teams I mean, yeah,
being South Africa was the big banana skin. I guess
(17:54):
in the pool. They've still got Ireland I believe left
in their pool to get pass. But yeah, couldn't have
started much better and let's just hope it continues. We've got,
you know, ten twelve days of this to come plus
so it's going to be a fun two weeks.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Have a little master planned to get through this, because
you can justify no sleep and ignoring your friends and
your partner and everything else because it's your job.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
You get paid to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But what's your plan behind actually staying conscious, actually picking
anything up?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Have you got one?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I don't really, I sort of I'm just gonna stone
wall my way through this, and well I'll pick my events.
I think this is ironically, this whole drone thing has
got me really interested football versus Canada game me, so
I'll probably get up for that tomorrow morning. So look,
it's going to be a two weeks that's going to
take me about a month to recover from. But the
(18:44):
Olympics are only around every four years, so let's get
into it.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Indeed, I'm with you one hundi and I get to
call at work too. It's criminal almost, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Nathan Limb, thanks for joining us there in the chamber
and maybe go and sleep on the floor for a
twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Power Naps is probably your futurism. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
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Speaker 1 (19:04):
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