August 13, 2024 • 58 mins
It’s the long-awaited return of Eric Rush to the show, Marc and Leigh return from Europe and we’re joined in studio by Lana Coc-Kroft. We cover the end of the Olympics and talk to Argentinian rugby legend Juan Leguizamon to recap the Puma’s victory over the All Blacks last weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So it's you come on board.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
So yeah, well when you get something like clink, they
just do like a vodkan.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I just thought as a t we check that you
just drink beer?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Did you just think that?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I just thinking?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
When did you stop thinking? There's like a sixty year
old thing? You just stop thinking?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Doors just become.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Open to is it Italian?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
You go through frontwards or sideways? Who puts out some friends?
It's like the four hundred or Woman on the Bead
or or Man where they have to take the roof
(00:42):
off and Craney. I love those shows. Well you it's
a bit close to the bank, but I love them
because I look that go how the funk if you
eat yourself under that possession? Bad food taste?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
But how the hell do you allow that to be
on TV?
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Let's put something really inappropriate, like an the best person
who needs be trained out of there?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
But it makes me in the person saying, look, it's
gonna this is going to be good for you. We're
going to film this thing where we crying you for me. Honestly,
it would be good TV.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
What's the plan for this fucking show? And yeah, you know,
I think it's probably an opportune given that we're all here.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, we don't need to work in that live on
camera on my would be better, give.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Us more, gives us more clowns.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, I mean people probably need to know how these
negotiations get out.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
I you can look good or bad, no pressure, right,
(02:00):
So so welcome back to welcome back.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
How are you help me please?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, I'm here to help obviously you need a little
bit of help with these two yeah boys.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Both back from Europe.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, it seems fresh looking. Not well, fresh isn't word
i'd actually use.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
But.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Word that we used for any.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Of us, not anymore, unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Least all wreck I reckon. You got about four good
summers forty four good summers that'd be stupid.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
These are the best years.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Four bad summers too, that make you up ninety.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
It's nice to be back. You have a nice time
and something yourselves.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
In Europe. It wasn't easier Rick, you know, having to
do this podcast once a week and get up and
you know time zones.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Can, audio mics and stuff flogged when it was very difficult.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
How much you get from.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Pay for the trip.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So you've missed a lot of the Olympics. Obviously because
you've been traveling. No, we saw quite a lot, did you. Yeah,
it wasn't in Paris. We did have TV a lot
of players. No, No, it saw quite a lot.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
But I haven't seen anything. I watched mister Carrington today,
you know, win the gold and the five hundred. She
was She's amazing, amazing.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's just when you see a performer at the Olympics
that's that dominant, like you know, probably five performers across
the whole Olympics like that, you know, and she was
one of them. I also Elise Andrews and the cycling
who won a couple of gold She was amazing too.
She was just dominant, Like you watched her and you
knew that she was going to win.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And a true great you know that remember back with
Bolt in two thousand and twelve whatever, you know, he
hadn't been written off, but they were saying that these
other guys have probably gone it. And same with Lise Carrington.
You know that she's you know, but I just kind
of deep experience would come through.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know, she's thirty six and his younger.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, well, because she was losing a little bit too.
Of course, on the other amazing fisher.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Yeah, fisher.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
She was meant to challenge like it was going to
be pretty close, and she she got fourth up. Yeah yeah,
and it was a long way behind. It must be
the mentality.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
One of the great performances was Hassan who won bronze
in the women's five thousand, bronze in the woman's ten thousand,
and then won the marathon, all in the same Olympics.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
So she obviously doesn't have us three finish.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Something to work on. It's always good to have something
to improve on.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Why don't they just keep that in the one event
and just the first five thousand meters who wins that,
and then ten thousand who wins that, and then who
wins the final.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Instead of so you basically Kip Chloge would have won
three gold medals in the one.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Race right when the first two and but lose the.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Mouth and you and you do the first five thousand meters,
first ten thousand meters on the track, and then you
take off on the I'll just pull out after you
on the five thou I've got ten metals.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Now then, whether you enjoyed please.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
This last week, well, I've gone back and looked at
highlights because I was busy, like over the last few
days and actual last night I spent some time. I
went back, went through the gymnastics. Really, I mean, they
are the superheroes of all of them.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Just watch it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I watched Trampline and in both the New Zealanders, you know,
they sort of lucked out the end, but they were
both Really.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
She fell off the bar some yeah beam.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Someone brought up the point. I was on Facebook, so
it wasn't this is my concept. But she can jump.
I know, the slightly pawed the ground, but she can
jump like something in the ground off the ground.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, she's on the trampoline.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Why doesn't she do hyer because she's coming from a
low place, I suppose, But you know what.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, when she gets the she flips her way
in she when she's allowed.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
To do that. They're not allowed to do that, and
and but they should why don't they run into And
it's the same thing. But there's another sport that they
should have been able to, Yeah, the long jump where
they can actually do a forward flip, and they's been
canned and they used to and they got a lot
further higher risk.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Also, I think because she jumps off two feet and
then the high jump you jump off one foot. We
won the gold in the high jump.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
How good was I didn't want to draw.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We'll go to sudden jumping. Love that attitude. It's not
a lot of crowd of a couple of the fact
that per Head camp at a greater level than any
other nation.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I think we third on the capita.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Who's first?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I'm not sure?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, I think you're wrong. Okay, well we'll check perhead
of by by comparison to GDP, the Australians are first.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I always find at the end Olympics, I start thinking
that you know, everybody probably does, is what events you
could possibly compete out if you had to, you know,
and the compet well, the first thing you do is
not to eliminate the ones you wouldn't be any good at.
The athletic ones is probably be a pollop.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yeah, yeah, they're probably smudging the bar off, yeah, smush them.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Or something.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's that coordination thing. Nothing to do with you, nothing
to do with that. What do you head? You take
those ones out of the equation and then you start
thinking about it. Actually realised is.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Absolutely nothing nothing you could do.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
No I don't think there's anything that could train, probably
fencing with something or come on.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
No, no, you're you're gravity feed You need to be
in something Winter Olympics. You don't even push the speed
you were just force you into the front of the
speed in the end of a missile and then three
guys lug you off and then you just drag them down.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Crash. Yeah, Olympics.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
What would I do if I went to the Olympics?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Watch what should she hold up? Obscene cards? I don't know,
something to make a fool of yourself, competing comma, maybe
discus or something hammer catching the hammer. No, you couldn't
do anything at the Olympics, right, Apparently you were really
quick when you were young, you were telling us.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, So I mean, well that's an interesting thing.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
What do you think you would have been best at
at the Olympics?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So what about? Is there not something for over sixty
year olds that you can compete and what would you
compete in? What would you like to compete and share
with us?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
As I'm like forties high jump was my sport.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
We're not talking about the ninetly sixty Olympics. We're talking
about these ones.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I mentioned, like I don't think I think we should
do this. I think we should go to the street
and film. I don't reckon you could get over one
meter sixty No, I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
That's not that's not It'll be like jumping over you Mark.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
It would be exactly you know, with maybe Aaron on
my shoulders, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, one sixteen. Yeah, yeah, I've just said I've just
hit a new need for them. Give me a break,
right have you didn't know that?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Sorry?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, sorry to hear that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So the fand it myself?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
What what?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
What?
Speaker 5 (09:17):
How are your Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
They're good shoulders?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You left your hands above your head?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
What about your neck?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
You?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I didn't realize that to come into a medical pills?
What would you know? What would you do? I don't know.
If you were at the Olympics gymnastics, no.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
No, I'd like swimming. I'd love to see you on
the dive boarded to watch.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I'll tell you what, master of none but jack of all?
That's yeah, then.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
All right, all right.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I would have liked to have been the decathlete, would you. Yeah,
like sign the palm.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
But you could have done any of the jumping high things.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, you don't have to you can counter that with
just the sheer.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I've seen Mark jump on the seat jump.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I jumped over the bar, but the bars, like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Get so angry, mate. You know, we've worked out pretty
categorically that you'd be bloody awful and everything. You know,
And now you know, I'm just saying the cathline. I
think for you, I think put it out to rhythmic gymnastics.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, I think the gymnastics would be.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Maybe a case of not making lass yourself literally looking
like you're the part of that be the one hundred
two hundred minutes because you could bang start, blow a hammy,
pull a hammy. Yeah, and it's happened to the best.
You know what could have been if they didn't blow
(10:51):
a hammy? You know, did you notice that since nineteen
twenty four two, now less than half a they've taken
one hundred meets. I saw that unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, with all the technology, Yeah, all the technology treatment like.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Jesse Owens and thirty six was doing ten point one.
If they reckon give him blocks and the different shoes,
he would have been second only to Bolt.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
What's your favorite ever Olympics?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Olympic?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, well they'd compare it.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
In it. Jesse Owens was good. I remember Jesse Owens.
There was one event that that we could probably all
know we wouldn't even have the chance that this actually
is David Boone's record.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
David Boone fifty three cans from here to England. I mean,
we can't go without talking about it. I mighty can
it be beaten?
Speaker 7 (11:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Not there.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I think Headley tried and he got to seven.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Market.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
They're going the tram coming down here.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
They involved over the people in front of me.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
They called themselves the best team in the world, Traders
at Marment. They haven't even tried that record yet. Yeah,
it's hopeless. It was actually the corner stuff that how
it worked it out. We're just having a quiet drink
the start then and all of a sudden, flight service
director said, do you know you've had twenty four cans Bernie?
And maybe if we have a roster system and we're
(12:13):
from there, Murph, you should have two dozen with him?
And do you not have a few and fifty three canst.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I mean that will live longer than the game itself.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Probably the thing that people don't understand.
Speaker 9 (12:24):
Before we got onto the plane, we had a training
session in the training camp we had in Melbourne, and
they took blood tests and all that, and the doctor
came back and gave us a cholesterol and all the crap.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
That comes back with blood tests.
Speaker 9 (12:34):
And then he came out and said, and probably the
most alarming feature is that sixteen of the seventeen men's
in this squad have got enough alcohol in their system
in their blood to say that the sixteen alcoholics in
the Australian cricket Tepe and Terry all the memen stood
up the back and said that is an alarming fact.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Who is the one bloke does not having any.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Look, I don't you know.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Tragic as it is is you know a lot of
those Australian crickets in no.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Long no longer with us.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, I've still with us unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Talking a little bit. I'm just gonna worp out for quick. Wait,
I'll be straight.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Back me long. Yeah. You struggle to get that kind
of service on a flight, now though, that's the problem.
You never you never get that kind of support, would you.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's a good thing, though, Like you don't really want
people consuming that much alcohol on the flight, No.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Well not unless you even cracked the record not going
to that bathroom.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
She's changed, good love. Yeah you're again.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, you've been watching the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
You went to I went to the Olympics. Ye, well
not you went to watch were to watch young Fellows
in the seventh Steam and it was great. The French
did create jobs seventy two thousand from the first kickoff. Yeah,
they were there for the whole full days through the
Woman's in the means or six days that.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Now you can ask what could we have done at
the Olympics. I could have played sevens maybe, well possibly yeah,
rushy too. So back to your question, right, what would
you have done?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Still still leaves me out?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Breakdown or what do you think of the breakdownswer like
it's a serious issue.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
She felt sorry for.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I thought it was as I thought it was an
actual perst take. When I saw it, I thought somebody
the AUSSI is only the Aussies could have.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
A laugh like that. But she beat the people from
New Zealand was representing Oceania.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, they had the Ocean Champs. I mean, we're our
our top big girl pulled out just before the champs,
so they.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Obviously didn't invite any brown people. Mate, that's quite obvious.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Just no need for races.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
We managed to get that offcast.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
We're here now, it's all right.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
We've got absolutely bloody Britain quite thank god, talking.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
About people can't dances one hundred meters. We can talk
about that now is here.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Look when you there are certain things white people can't do,
you know, and there's a lot of them. A lot
of things they can do, but a lot of things
they can't. Everyone's different, you know, and dancing, you know,
it doesn't tend to be you know, something that we sort.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Of Hey, how about dancing? Word starts that, yeah, you
because I was okay, dance, I'm talking about you know
those those poms.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, well, the huge, big motors and it's like a
steadying influence. It's like, you know, it's all keeps them still.
They rest a pint on it and they just focus on.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Can you back to the breakdancer. Here's a little bit
of the footage of her dancing. No, no, no, this
is like, this is where she's good. This is what
the Australian team looks. The Australian teams embraced it.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I think I think the one guy who could comment,
you know, from the last years. Thing that was once
sports cafe is the human animal. He really can break dance.
It's part of his party routine. I think we've probably
all seen it, you know. But he's as he's aged,
he's sort of regressed tow but now he's got a
new routine, so he goes at with his new routine
(16:33):
is quite good. Actually, he goes into a pack dance
floor and he's dancing away and he pretends to have
a heart attack and he drops like a stone, right
and that sort of The music doesn't stop, but people's
clearing a bit of a gap around him, like a circle,
you know. And you know, some people go for the things,
and by the time they do, he just starts twitching
(16:55):
a finger to the music, and then he starts moving
his feet and then he's reborn again and he jumps
from the ashes from the ashes and either works a
treat or he basically gets blooed out of the house.
You know, he's running about fifty percent at the moment.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
But watch it's quite something.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Imagine the funk your own dad and I said to
make come on, we're going to see it every now
and again, and you go out, We're going to see it.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I think he didn't need it, rely didn't he.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
He didn't christ Church and it was an absolute rip
roaring success down there. They loved it. So the found
up at the Duke and Wolber up up and rust
on people just walking over the top of him to
get the bar. You know, it just made no impact.
Every day before buddy, before you do it, you know,
pick your audience.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
That's good. It tells the story. It's a good routine.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Oh yeah, but he does it just to that awkward length,
so they go, shit, he's actually died, you know, and
then the little twitch to the music. And then once
he's up and he's just ripping his shirt off and
unleash me. And it's quite something to see. He could
comment with authority on.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
So when we when we when the human Cannibal said
to us, please don't mention my name anymore. You know,
I've got a new life now, I'm in the business.
I'm doing my own thing. You know, I don't like
to look back at my past. Is that you mentioned
them every week to new lives. We don't have the
luxury of editing our past.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
And I mean, you know, some people still know you
as that guy human cannibal or Ralph. I mean we're
not actually saying his actual name. We're just alluding to
the chap who wore a suit.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It's gonna be funny one day when someone does actually
have the paddles handy just waiting for this.
Speaker 10 (18:39):
Moment, he sang, and he actually again, we've got we've
got a little club and ord and you know we're
under about because there's a few guys, one of the
guys that had a quadriple and you know, getting to
that agent stage with something nasty could happen on the front.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So to be good hosts, do you put the pedals
on the wall. We had a bit of a sort
of committee meeting around it. We went, there's more chance
of somebody working somebody for fun.
Speaker 11 (19:10):
Your crowd, it's a weapon. Take a dog with liner
fluid off, you've.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Got to do a beer.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
You know what's going there.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
That's why I lose one or two for an art attack,
but we'd lose six or seven pedals here.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Balance. So trying to bring the show back.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
What are you playing?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Are you coaching rugby in this year?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Yeah? I coached the club side up in Northland, but
Northern we didn't we lost them the Sermiens this year.
But it's going all right, enjoying it.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
And you actually last yeah played played?
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah, I three? I played three games all the I
should say I played. I ran out there three times,
didn't do a hell of a lot, got a couple
of steels and two yellow cards. But someone had told
me that ben punching me?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Who knew?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
You know, if you're running out there like that, someone's
obviously going off. What positions are you running onto? Do
you get me on the wing? Or where do you?
Speaker 5 (20:23):
I just I just picked where I go and move.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
So did you get a few rucks and rocking still?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yes, I've got a couple of rucks. That's ald some
guy I said, don't do that, I'll smack you. You
didn't believe me. That was one of the other cards.
I enjoyed it. A lot of the guys that played
against didn't enjoy it so much. But it's a little
bit old schools different now it's just so different.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And what do you think of the obviously the All
Blacks going down to Argentina.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I actually ever watched that game yet, but yeah, pretty disappointed.
I didn't say that.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I tried to watch it but I don't know way
like you guys. But that's the last thirty eight point loss,
all when that's a lot of points to league in
at thirty eight points.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, we gave it away a couple of soft tries,
two soft tries actually, which which hurt us. But I
sort of thought having two weeks all Blacks and a
star Racer that you know we did inside onto the game,
Bacon Sales, I was on the plane.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Sorry, none at all, all right, so zero, but I did.
I'm pretty sure they were bounced back. But you know,
igent from all accounts Argentina, we didn't just lose it.
They won it.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, I heard they played pretty well.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So the issues with the line.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Out still towards the end, but I mean, how many penalties.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I did take a lot of solace from one of
your sort of instructional videos about how to handle a loss.
And and you know in two thousand and three, we
lost the World Cup semi finals with you.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
At that game.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah we we We were Petter for Simon's yeah, set
with him, and.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
They were hard to lose with Peter Fitz.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, well he was and he was good, Yeah he was,
and reminding us constantly through the game that we were losing.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
The most pointant thing for me. We left out a
minute before the end of the game just to try
and get on the train for everyone else and was
going bad losers whatever. We jumped on the train. Remember
back to Sydney, and guess who was sitting next to you?
Remember so important Graham Henry that his brain was going
straight away.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I can't believe he left early.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
We just literally was a big statum.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
We trid.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, that's right. This is this is how we dealt
with the loss of this hell, how you dealt with
that particular loss.
Speaker 12 (22:46):
This is pretty much h all happened. I was feeling
pretty down after all.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's list. I went in search of arms for all
the same.
Speaker 12 (22:54):
I got on the wrong train and ended up here
friended miles from Sydney in a place.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Called good Umba.
Speaker 12 (23:01):
I didn't think things would get much worse than that,
but that night they did. I got abducted by aliens.
Speaker 13 (23:10):
After a few drinks at my hotel, I went to bed,
and that's when it happened. The following was a dramatic recreation.
I was taken to the mothership on a tractor beam.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It was big.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
While I was there.
Speaker 13 (23:30):
They did all sorts of experiments on me. One of course,
was the rect Or mind probe. This involved sticking a
cumbersome device up my backside and downloading information. God on
who knows what they hope to achieve. I can't even
stand the facts that way, I woke up hours later,
deep in the blue mountains.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I was all alone.
Speaker 13 (23:48):
I struggled back to Katomba, confused and angry that they
hadn't used the faster modem.
Speaker 14 (23:54):
I've seen some strange things meteors stop and change direction.
That's head scratching stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
I needed to share my experience with someone.
Speaker 12 (24:08):
And this white room sort of smell like parmesan cheese,
and that the smaller one with little silver boots on,
and that little jump suit. I think his name was Zorag.
I know that because it was written on the jumpsuit
with a big Z on it, and.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
He looked like the leader. And then he came in
and got the equipment, a happed and shoved that right
up my ass.
Speaker 13 (24:32):
I began to ask, why me, Why should I have
such a strange experience in Katoomba. I'd heard that my
great great great great uncle through failed marriage, Lord Kenny Guy,
who claimed he was abducted Lord Kenny Guy and Importer
was credit through with bringing into New Zealand possums, gorse
and the tall Poppy syndrome.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Incidentally, his musket went off shortly after this photo was taken.
Speaker 13 (24:54):
Then I began to wonder if my abduction had any
effect on how disjointed the story had become.
Speaker 12 (25:01):
I'm about to catch the train back to the city
and I sort of wonder what I've learned from my
experience in coutumber and I think mainly it's that it
doesn't matter if you're a rugby player, a fan, or.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Even somebod who's just had.
Speaker 12 (25:14):
Important information downloaded from their backside. Some stage, we're all
going to have a timber moment in a life, and
I think the most important thing.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
To remember is.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
A powerful stuff. Just I can't believe, I mean because
that we're obviously in Australia doing that. Had a day
to do that. Yeah, it's a better years where the
work gone into Yeah, incredible, ridiculous. How do your brain
used to work when you when you kind of when
you were younger, you had a full one.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
And tried I'm going to actually talk to someone and
watched the game so we can ask them some questions.
And one's got a slightly so one. Lagisimol, who played
a lot of times for the Permise. Eighty two is
that right? One?
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Hello guys, it was eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Eighty seven is what I said? Yeap eighty seven Yeah,
eerfect eighty seven.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
What was the reaction like in Argentina to the to
the Permis victory?
Speaker 7 (26:17):
It was it was a massive win.
Speaker 15 (26:21):
What I felt is that we are finally getting to
that level of intensity or well we can keep playing
for eighty minutes, and I think the boys show that,
so I think that's the main thing for from my
point of view, of course, the win was great, but
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also they also showed that Argentina today we are finally
getting to those levels of the top teams. So I'm
happy for that too.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I just came off applying and watched the Maradonna two
and a half hour okay, docco magnificent five hundred hours
of previous footage. It hadn't been released, and the simple
question is Maradonna or missy Uhsty. You're siding with the
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youngsters obvious as well. I mean, he was a troubled individual,
but who wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
It's probably related to.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
So you're going it's the Christian clean answer, you know,
saying what he was a troubled individual, So I go
for the clean, clean, clean slate, the good Christian lad.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
I love Maradonna. I think Maradona is.
Speaker 15 (27:52):
We didn't have a leader in the sports in Argentina
at him, But then we know there.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
His life and everything just parallel to to football.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
It wasn't well, don't go to Napoli. I guess that's the.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Moral of the story.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I mean, you're Italian too, wreck you know, and I
mean you're the last prack in the world I trust
as well.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, anyway, squeezed the going back to the rugby, which
is what I wanted to talk about, Mecca. The one
of the things I really liked about the Argentinian performance
was after the game where they were celebrating, but there
was a lot of talk, particularly from Creevy, which was Okay,
that's great, we won one. We want to win too,
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you know, let's not let's celebrate, but let's get ready
for the next one. I mean that seems to be
quite a mind shift.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think we're improving in that part too.
Before we used to. We used to like, okay, we
did a good game even if we didn't win, or
we're happy. How crazy, But used to be like that.
Speaker 15 (29:03):
You know, Argentina is not an excuse, but Argentina is
an amateur country where we are always like fighting or
trying to to to to go over seas to play rugby,
then to to meet for for a for a massive
game against New Zealand, South Africa, England or Australia or whatever.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
But today the mentality is changing, like the boys are are.
Speaker 15 (29:31):
Changing that and they are improving the mindset of the
of the of let's say, of the of the Argentina rugby.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Because your sevens team is pretty good too. What you know,
they won the series this year and in all surprised
they didn't make the top four Olympics. So something is
happening every day.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
That's positive, yeah, very positive.
Speaker 15 (29:54):
Of course we played the quarterfinals against the champion against France,
and it's never easy to play against the favorites. So
but but yes, it's been like four years playing good
rugby with the sevens.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Have you guys done something better the French because every
time the Argentinians running out of it, it started the
first they got booed, mate, I couldn't believe it. Wow,
what was wrong with I don't know.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
I don't know what happened. But I heard that things
happened with the food and I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 15 (30:29):
You know the story about these two guys who came
when when France came to in July to play against Argentina.
These two guys who went out or whatever. I don't
know what they did, but I think we are there's
a yeah, I don't know, I don't know what happened.
It was even I was talking to to to some
of the boys who were there and they were saying.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Yeah, I don't know, because they beat you the World
Cup for you guys beat them in the soccer World
Cup for there's two bit so.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
One of the reasons.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Couple of effect that I mean, you know, it's it's
a continuous cool. But I think Argentine women are slightly
hot than free.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Just one. So what do you think?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
What do you think? What do you think of the
obles performance?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Oh it was.
Speaker 15 (31:22):
I felt like they were a bit an organized exits
from from their own five meters or meters is that
we are not used to to see the oblos in
in such a uncomfortable situation, like I know, Argentina did
a good job, but normally the oblocks are much more organized.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
To to to to go away from from there. Uh
and then like ups and downs.
Speaker 16 (31:55):
It was pretty strange the performance, I know, but I
was thinking and maybe one of the of the reasons
is that new coaches, new coaching staff, new message, the
adapting themselves to to to.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
The new ideas. I don't know, I have no idea
because to be honest, I am, I am fine of
your blacks, but I didn't I didn't like what I saw.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Too many box kicks anyway, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I reckon if if you box kicks from your half
and the opposition catch it on the folds a free
kick from where you kicked it from, they'll stop all
the box kicks.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Yeah, and or just bring back racking and the team
going forward gets a bloody ball, you know, So changing
the game. Suck all the forwards in so it's not
league with lineouts. Suck all the forwards into the eight,
bring back running, and if you're if the team's going
I don't care if you're crawling forward. If you've got
the ball and you're going forward.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You keep it. What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You're doing any coaching playing? What are you up to now?
Speaker 7 (32:57):
I'm going I coach.
Speaker 15 (33:01):
A franchise Argentina and franchise we have we have a
South American tournament in in South America and we have
and we have we have two franchises in Argentina, one
in Uruguay, one in Chile, one in Paraguay, one in Brazil,
and one in the United States.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
And we played from January to June. And I was
the coach of one of the artist franchises.
Speaker 15 (33:30):
So it was my first experience. I'm doing that now.
I'm starting to plan everything for next year. So so
that's my job now.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
And when do you get the boots on and get
them play a couple of games, because like a rush
you can play at fifty eight? Yes, yeah, nice.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Now one last question, most seizure.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
That was a good pronunciation. Uh, I will say, I
will say yeah, Uh, have a few more.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Moss black pudding is Kidneys South America and as and
awful as is king. You know, it's a bet and
cooked so perfectly. The only words I knew when I
lived there was Comedo with the be there, which was
food or drink? And of the beats food no cometoo? Yeah,
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not a mass.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
Yeah too, don't forget.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, but a blood pudding, a blood sausage, hard to beat.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
I like a tvito myselfvito and.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
From what's that?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
It's it's.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Sevans is the only place where you you get You
got to come out of the night club, have breakfast
before you go to beat.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Mecca.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
We'll get to the light club at six in the morning.
There's a cue to get in.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Really, you love it, mate, the big break the way
it is.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Yeah, beautiful, beautiful way of life.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
A crazy country man. Your wife is pretty much.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
All right, all right, fine, thanks so much for joining
us and putting up with our sort of Spanish pronunciations
and stuff.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
So oh yeah, I thought we were talking about we
were talking in the Spanish.
Speaker 14 (35:34):
Man.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
You told me what what what time?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
What time is it there?
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Now?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Well at least you speak Spanish.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, I'm semi fluent.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
We'll say something, say goodbye. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
Too much?
Speaker 1 (35:59):
When it's not what what time is it there?
Speaker 7 (36:04):
That's good? It's uh what to name?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, thanks mate, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
I used to like there's big steaks in Buenos Aires.
Mate fill up the whole plate. So you order a steak,
you get a plate, and the steak took up the
whole plate, you know, a whole bowl of chips and
a whole bowl of lettuce.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
I lived above a steakhouse called La Cabera in Palermo,
and it's like one of them, and we were on
the roof and they turned the barbecue on all the
wood fire charcoal at about two o'clock in the afternoon,
and it's like just like Pavlov's dogs. I found myself
walking down the stairs. It was unbelievable, like ringing the bell.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
And you talked about the seven So you used to
run a team what were they called the Mongrels, the Mongols,
that's right, And you used to actually get a whole
o of people and just travel. This is before the
seven Circle was there pretty much?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (37:02):
And was it in?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Was it then?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Your a guy that Zinny was Superman? Yeah? Yeah, he.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
We played with the Ossies. They mixed us up. They
called us the ANZACs. So Zinny was there, Frank myself
and they had John Eels, Jason Little and I think
it was Darren Johnny gave us six guys for a
seventh team. You think they could to give us seven.
We used the local guy, called him the Pow. But
you know we were we played really well because we
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were trying to outplay the Aussies and they were doing
the same and we smoked it.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
But afterwards John Eels is the nicest person in the world.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Because the bar was like three or four deep and uh, no,
want to go to barsa where papers is rocked this.
He was going to get all the drinks. Well, because
we had a code, you know, we worked out we
never lost. It was about three rounds and Jason Little
comes out of the buses. Have got a code, mate,
what is it? So we led him in Darren Journy
three rounds later. Yeah, John Eils mate twelve times.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
He went to the bar.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
He was like, it was just unkeny, I can't.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Just anyone would do that. And you was that when
that that Mongols group you took Jonah when he was
really young.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Uh yeah, he went to Singapore. We went to Singapore,
Joda I probably he was probably maybe seventeen, and uh
just right then we knew it was a freak because
I played touch against him in Otara and there's a
big black follow men and he could run. And we
used to be quite fast, you know, we were okay,
and I thought I'll just run around the student and
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I stepped and had a crack, and he was just
jogging beside.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Me, smiling.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
I was like, holy ship, this six foot five.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
I used to love the story you tell about him,
how cool you thought he was because of the you
know the glass. Tell that joke, mate. I used to
tell the joke about the first time you marked them,
and yeah, he thought this guy's amazing. And then he's
wearing the glasses.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
I always say when he was running, I thought were
in sunglasses. Was his nostrils and you're going to be
back to.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Get away of those ones.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Well, the one thing I've noticed about the Mongols who
went on to it, none of them were white.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
And Strawn was there once. And Strawn came once. He
got drunk on the first night and didn't make training
the next day, never came back.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
And you know, now we have like we have the
seven circuit, which is amazing, you know, world rugby. But
you sort of were like the pathfinders. You sort of
created a circuit by just sort of getting a group
of mates together and going to all these tournaments we used.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
To and then then it got more serious. So the
Ossie sent the national team to put to the list
there once and we went with the We used to
call our team the Mongols. Lindsey Racky called us the Mongols.
But we'd come home at five in the morning and
the Ossies would be getting ready to go to training
at seven would still be in the heaving breakfast. We're
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going out, and then we hopped on the plane. The
Ossies beat us in the final because the guys are
just on this the whole time, and they were in
business class and we were down the back. So we
won actually, and we still beat them. And we're walking
on the playing with the trophy. Frank at the trophy
and Bob Dwyer was their coach. We're walking past business
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class and do I guess nice trophy, Frank. Before you see.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
The seventh man, you know, that was you know, the top,
you know, all blacks and stuff in the seventh team.
Now it's sort of specialists kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
When you were in that transition really, because when you started.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
My first year, Johnny Shoe played John Perwin, j Wright Buck,
They all played.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
It was all later they had Colen and Loma. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Later became the way to to to discover these young guys.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Yeah, you were the same. He he was the same.
He was.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
It was, it was, it was.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
It was seen as fifteen pre season training to do
seven now.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Straight seven specialists.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Yeah yeah, and it said she's a growing on the circuit.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Met I remember your son's in the seventh team. So
does how does their workload compared to what you used
to do.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
I think their workloads are a little bit more because
they're twenty four to seven. Like we would go home
for three weeks and then come back and get threshed
by Titch for Bloody. So that's all.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
I remember. Touch was big on the psychological thing. I
remember going up then we played one of the Fiji
Parmi competitions and I got in the seventh seemed to
go to Hong Kong and we're sitting up there and
he said, right, guys, we're going to sit down and
we're going to do seven minutes of visualizing about how
this half's going to go. Seven minutes is a long time.
I'm like a two year old scarfie, you know. And
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he said, Mecca, how did the game start? And I said, well, touch,
you wouldn't believe it. They kicked the ball straight to me,
put a big left foots step on, went straight out
of the post seven and he said, great, good, positive
starts on bloody well done, you know. And he said
what happened after that? And I said, we're about a
minute thirty in and I said, silly pracs, kick it
straight back to me, right footstep this time under the post.
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Fourteen nol bututn't believe it, he said. He said, oh cheese, magga,
this is going well. You know, he's getting so excited
that we were getting And he said, then what happen?
And then I said, oh, then I got a board
on back, shagging a bird at.
Speaker 17 (42:12):
The whole boys and creaking up laughing. I said, the
game has got as fucking over. I scored three goals
over the post. I was on the celebrated, never played again.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I remember because here THETS.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Fitness he was big on.
Speaker 5 (42:36):
He was ahead of his Oh yeah, the fitness would
have been that type round for those guys. No that
they they're a little bit sensible now. It was ready training, yeahches, trainings.
It got to a stage because you'd run for two
and a half hours and there was only ten of
us there, so there was no downtime. But it got
to a stage in training where where it was actually
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counter productive physically. You know, you're actually doing damage to
your body. But that's when that training kicked in, and
that's where we were real good. We knew that every
day a training we'd been in the hard place. So
when we got to it in the game just enough day.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Was that lacking? Now?
Speaker 5 (43:12):
Is that we're saying, not not lacking, but I think
it is caught up. Probably the Argentinians are good. Fiji's
always been good. The French, I mean they played so
well at home. Africa could win it, Ossie's could win it,
you know the iriship.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
If you look at rugby full stop now right, you've
got people who are all the same size, or can
lift as much as each other, or can run just
as fast as each other. So why is it that
one team beats the other? It's all mental exactly when
we were kids, it was all when we were playing,
it was all about top two inches, right, which is
why when the All Blacks came off the field and
they've won a game, you never show emotion. You just
walk off like you expected to win.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
And is this a bit of an issue now?
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Now they're jumping up up and going whoa when they win,
you know. So that's a diametric change from the principle
that we had that Laurence saw, which is if you
win doesn't matter, if it's a close game where you
thump them, you walk off like you expected to win.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
So it was all about that, but also the opposition,
like we were just talking before, you know, the nargenteena
about they believe all the other teams believe, and when
you guys are playing most teams there was that they
didn't really believe. I'm going back to even teams on
Ireland hadn't beaten you guys by then. There's so many
teams now believe they can the All Blacks, and that's
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almost your your super cape has gone slightly. You really
have to.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
There was a feel the Black Jersey and every other
team back then. They remember when this guy got six
tries at the World Cup and our team talk was
in the back of these minds against Japan, these guys
are scared of the All Blacks. So the first ruck
we're going to Take it at their best player, the
number seven. He was a tomming boy.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Take it at him.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
Make him tackle everyone go over the top and kicked
up and shoot out of him.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
We did that.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Their best player was on the ground verse and the
rest of them just clocked out. They just clogged.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
Hey, they were playing pretty bloody well.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Man.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
They got your tripes two tries for you on the
other one, I mean also another wing. I could have
got eight tries if you had a passing anyone.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, I can't get that.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
But the problem was I'd actually read the thing that said,
oh you know some Welshman Yan Evans or something, you
got five tries and I got up to three. I went,
I got a chance.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
I'm passing it that record.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
They're getting closer and closer and closer.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
You don't Japan anymore, they racually What about like for you?
You know obviously the great Ruby career and now you
get the chance to watch your own boys. You know
how special is that? It's cool?
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yeah, it's like you know they it's great to see
them progressing. But it's hard because because I've been telling
them all the stuff all all through the years, and
they never listened, you know, I'll give them this just
awesome information. But all they here is make your bed,
do the dishes, take the rubber show, you know. But
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now they're in the top stuff. They're like all that
stuff you were telling him, it's a true. So I said,
it's really good to watch them and you know that
they worked hard and getting there now. But you know,
like it's uh, there's a lot of opportunities for these
young fellows nowadays around the world, you know, so the
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lucky little bit buggers.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
But yeah, but then in saying that, you know, your career,
whatever it may be, there's forty years of your life.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
You know.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
The sporting opportunity is about five.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
You look at me when you say whatever it may be.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
I do so with the utmost of respect, because I
mean you could have. You know, you've done everything pretty
much part on the sport, you know, radio, Chip mag mate,
you know, TV like, but you've done.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
It for twenty years.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
And that is the hard part about rugby. And I
think that's all my boys that they could walk away
now and still go alright, they're still like the good dudes,
you know.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
So once you're in the supermarket game, they bro it's
you know, the families stay pretty tight there.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
They wouldn't They couldn't think of anything worse than packing
the shelves at the supermarket.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Yeah, nor could you, Mate, You don't do that. You
just get flown around.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
I'm on the floor every day, Mecca, every day changes
Mate selling very well. A few more specials.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
About special proma.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Because when you started out, you had to do every
little area and the supermarket didn't you.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
What's funny story how I got into the supermarket game
because Robin Brook was in there and I invited to
the foodies conference and I just got up there and
ripped them, as you do, you know. And so I
met the local pack and Save guy Hayden and local
you Will guy with Jason Wits, and I spoke about
coaching the kids rugby team out of Otara, and they said, oh, mane,
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they ever need a hand with the boys, just give
us a hell. You know, we can help out financially.
So I took them snowboarding. This particularly because kids in
Atara they think Otara's New Zealand. That's all they've ever seen,
you know. So we went down to the snow I
twenty three players. We had ninety seven people wanted to
come on the trip. None of them had been to
the snow, and I didn't want to say no to anyone.
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So I only had enough money for one bus. So
I went to at Monekel Peck and Save and Chase
and they paid for both the buses and gave us
all the food for five days. And that's just I
can't pay you back. And N said, you pay me back,
all right, mate. You're in my produce department for nothing
for a week, sweet Brosage pellets meant pellets of letters,
(48:47):
pellets of califlower, peltzer cables, just trimmed it the whole week.
In Friday afternoon, I got called up to the training room.
All the managers there that were heming lunch, so I
had a feed and then the boss is right, pay
up the out of putting team bucks.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
On the table.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
I was like, I ain't got any cash on me
as usually, you know, I said to the boss. I
didn't realize we had to pay for lunch bell and
didn't bring any money as no, no, no, all these people,
but bet you wouldn't be here by Friday. And that's
you said, I think you got what it takes. Mate.
We gave you all the shittiest jobs. We don't want
you know, rich guys or or famous guys. You want
(49:22):
guys who would get on the floor and do some work.
And that's how I started. It was just literally and tell.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Them, tell these boys who was in there, like because
I remember doing the fundraiser, coming to the fundraiser for
the boys. And but a few of them, a few
of them like that the East Stomaching team have kicked
on them.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
Yeah, well that particular team. But we had from May
he paid for Salmore at first. Well, our best player
with Vinnie, he's he's pastawen now. Our center was milaniy
Nannai who plaid for the Blues. The wingers Morla who
was in the New Zealand sevens now and the full
back was Roger. So yeah, that was one little team
(49:58):
in Otara. And then the next team I coached is Tommachy.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
I was the lock.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
He's in the All Blacks now. My other son Rob,
he was the other lock, so he's he's playing super
rugby now. Brady's in the New Zealand sevens team and
the just think three or four of them are playing
for New Zealand touch. So show just the talents everywhere. Men.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
It's a beautiful thing, isn't it, And you reckon you
can sort of spot it around the age of sort
of five or sex. You see the kids and you go, oh,
that kid's got a good chart.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
Roger was good at seven.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
Yeah, as long as as long as the genetics allowed
them grow big enough.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
Yeah, you can tell it pretty early. And it's quite
nice to watch these kids in their attitude and just
sort of, you know, being a parent on the sideline watching.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
An age whether they should maybe maybe later where they
should go to lege or rugby or is it really
just a bit of a good.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Whether it's legal rugby, you know. But in South Aukland,
West Ekland, all those sort of areas talents their biggest
enemy because all the kids can do it first step, tackle,
have a ball on a string. Talent is the biggest enemy.
If they can, if they can marry the hard work
with the talent, those are the kids that carry on.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
So it's medal tencity.
Speaker 5 (51:13):
A lot of kids rely on the talent and scary Roger.
So all our boys, like half the team then had
a telephone in the house, just couldn't afford it, which
is a real bugger in it rain because you could
only ring half of them up to cancel training, so
I'd have to go up to get and the other
half would turn up the training rain. And Roger was
(51:33):
always one of those kids. His father Johnny was the
other coach, and he used to make Roger run home,
so be running down Eastmicky Road, sidestepping the purpurse on
the way back to Fogus.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
There it is right there. If you want to become
a professional sportsman, you've got to have that attitude. And
that's the one thing that will define you. It's not
the skill or the ability. It's whether or not your
pip says I'm going to be able to do it,
whether somebody has told you you've got the ability to
do it, and believe that you can dream it and
you can do it.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
And Rob were the Locks on our team, and they
were they were playing a year up because the older brothers.
Uh then he had one car, so you had to
play in the team that was there, you know. And
they were the two youngest in the team and now
they're the two toughest guys from their team. Yeah, because
they had to play a europe in.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
Auckland, it's always the youngest brother.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
When Roger went to because he was an outstanding young
rugby player, you know, at school boys and stuff. And
then when he went to the league, he had to
give you a call.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
His father made him call me, well you're going to
go to league. You better ring Eric, Oh, I'm going
to league. I said, well, you go there, learn as
much as you can, come back and be an all
black window.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
And he did it.
Speaker 5 (52:41):
You know, he did it. So I stoked for him.
Good kid to me, real good kid, solid family. So yeah,
it's a real, real success story.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah, it must be good for you to sort of,
you know, have been involved at such a young age
of these guys and then just to see them reach
their potential. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:58):
And and the thing is that there's four or five
and guys other guys in that tend that could have
done just as well.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
They had to tell it's the whole community around the
individual eight, you know, and it starts at the family.
If the family's type, that's the start that the kid
needs because typically their dad and their mama you know,
sort of wonder woman and Superman to them. So if
they say hey, you can do it, they believe it.
And then the community starts getting on board and that
impetus and that gravitas of everyone in behind you run
(53:27):
supporting it. Particularly I suspect and you know the Polynesian
culture and the married comes.
Speaker 5 (53:31):
I saw the sevens, the girls seven's up up in Paris.
They had a huge amount of family there, so you
could tell that's been from an early age. It was
just and it just lifted them through that. The girls
were man, that was sharp.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Man.
Speaker 5 (53:44):
I love watching the girls play Aussie skill levels right
up there.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
I mean, obviously you know these are the positive sides
of rugby. We're still sort of you know, recovering from
a loss, you know, on the weekend, and we.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Had where are you going with this?
Speaker 5 (54:03):
The most morbid bloody.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
But I'm trying to get to the next clip.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
We're on a positive.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
It's well, I don't have a positive clip to play.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
Put a positive bloody look on your face and so
say something with an enthusiasms.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
You know, what a great conversation and this is such
a fulfilling game of rugby and what are you going
to come back as that came back as rushy. Look
this is what we had send Neil on the show
after we lost the semi final, and he just gave
us some advice about how to handle how to handle
(54:43):
a loss.
Speaker 18 (54:44):
I was actually commentating for Channel seven, a job for
which I'm spectacularly unqualified. Yeah, and of course I was.
I was gutted at the end, like we all were.
But not gutted for me or even for New Zealand,
but for those thirty blokes I have.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
I have played their heart out this year.
Speaker 18 (55:01):
They're a spectacular side and completely inspirational, and I was
also gutted for the real possibility they have to go
home to three million misery guts The thing about expectations,
it's a big ask for Look, eleven of the guys
that ran onto that field on Saturday are twenty five
and under.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
They're really young guys.
Speaker 18 (55:21):
It's a very young side, and to carry the morale
of an entire country on those young shoulders, I think
it is too big an ask.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
It's unfair.
Speaker 18 (55:31):
I would suggest that we get behind these all blacks.
I think they've been actually fantastic. They've had a wonderful year.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
So after Sam, after that will Cup in two thousand
and three, was it in Australia? I think no, it wasn't.
Two thousand and seven, that wasn't. And Samuel actually wrote
an email to me to fall on to New Zealand
Rugby to say, please don't change the coach. I think
the all blanks are magnificent and stuff like these are
passionate men. Love his passionate. Love the fact that he
(56:01):
cared that much.
Speaker 4 (56:02):
I love the fact that he cruises around in Queensland
and are town just like Jack the Lamb, you know,
like not not anyone special, Is that right? Yeah, just
so low key, so cool. I've always admired that about
the man.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, great man. Also, this was an experiment and what
it'll be like getting everyone in the same room again,
and is it over? Yeah? When are you guys off
to Europe?
Speaker 1 (56:27):
I think the next one in the sauna, like you know,
like you know, more intense, more heat it up.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
So all the best for whatever you do. And I
hope I never see some of you again.
Speaker 4 (56:40):
Today. I mean that's you started the show by saying, look,
that show was bad and that was a net result
of having Lady on the show. Yeah, you know that shows.
But so who are you going to chop next time?
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Well? This time.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (56:57):
Well, I'm just reading between the lines. You three of
you on all of them, and everybody else gets blamed
for I was.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
I missed one and that was the highest rating one.
Then I wasn't, So I've got a complex.
Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, and when Lana was on that raided through the roof.
Speaker 4 (57:13):
I'm happy to miss the next efforts to stand down.
Well I need to do to get kicked off?
Speaker 3 (57:21):
I don't know, because you've tried.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
Should we take a couple of weeks off everyone, and
that way we can keep them, keep them, you know,
keep them wanting more.
Speaker 4 (57:30):
Their way wreck will want to be because he's promised
that the show is going to go for a bit
longer than this. Yeah, So if we just don't turn
up next week and.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
The corner, I just found it, irnic down more than
all of us were overseas for X amount of weeks,
all of us, Rushi, mark myself, you're the only one
that was here yet we all had to zoom in.
Would have been a lot of easier if you went
over and joined us. But you couldn't do that. Could
you to sit here in your in your logic?
Speaker 3 (58:00):
Does the sun go around the Earth?
Speaker 11 (58:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (58:02):
No, the Earth goes around the sun. Muhammed goert to
the mountain.
Speaker 5 (58:05):
No, no, I'm lost.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
I'll see you next week.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Good night. I hope not.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Now you go to av You follow my advice.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah, I bet on against the All Blacks, and.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
I wanted to get Naki on board. I thought you
were that bloody lamentable. You haven't want anything that we needed.
Somebody who's cable.
Speaker 3 (58:29):
I I'm going to return from Argentina and I also
bet on Hamish Cruder in the Olympic high jump gold.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
We're in the money.
Speaker 3 (58:39):
I'm really good at it.
Speaker 5 (58:40):
We are in the money.
Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah, I'm going to spin up
So it's you come on board.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
So yeah, well when you get something like clink, they
just do like a vodkan.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I just thought as a t we check that you
just drink beer?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Did you just think that?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I just thinking?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
When did you stop thinking? There's like a sixty year
old thing? You just stop thinking?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Doors just become.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Open to is it Italian?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
You go through frontwards or sideways? Who puts out some friends?
It's like the four hundred or Woman on the Bead
or or Man where they have to take the roof
(00:42):
off and Craney. I love those shows. Well you it's
a bit close to the bank, but I love them
because I look that go how the funk if you
eat yourself under that possession? Bad food taste?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
But how the hell do you allow that to be
on TV?
Speaker 5 (01:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Let's put something really inappropriate, like an the best person
who needs be trained out of there?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
But it makes me in the person saying, look, it's
gonna this is going to be good for you. We're
going to film this thing where we crying you for me. Honestly,
it would be good TV.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
What's the plan for this fucking show? And yeah, you know,
I think it's probably an opportune given that we're all here.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, we don't need to work in that live on
camera on my would be better, give.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Us more, gives us more clowns.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, I mean people probably need to know how these
negotiations get out.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
I you can look good or bad, no pressure, right,
(02:00):
So so welcome back to welcome back.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
How are you help me please?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, I'm here to help obviously you need a little
bit of help with these two yeah boys.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Both back from Europe.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, it seems fresh looking. Not well, fresh isn't word
i'd actually use.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
But.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Word that we used for any.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Of us, not anymore, unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Least all wreck I reckon. You got about four good
summers forty four good summers that'd be stupid.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
These are the best years.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Four bad summers too, that make you up ninety.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
It's nice to be back. You have a nice time
and something yourselves.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
In Europe. It wasn't easier Rick, you know, having to
do this podcast once a week and get up and
you know time zones.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Can, audio mics and stuff flogged when it was very difficult.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
How much you get from.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Pay for the trip.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So you've missed a lot of the Olympics. Obviously because
you've been traveling. No, we saw quite a lot, did you. Yeah,
it wasn't in Paris. We did have TV a lot
of players. No, No, it saw quite a lot.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
But I haven't seen anything. I watched mister Carrington today,
you know, win the gold and the five hundred. She
was She's amazing, amazing.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's just when you see a performer at the Olympics
that's that dominant, like you know, probably five performers across
the whole Olympics like that, you know, and she was
one of them. I also Elise Andrews and the cycling
who won a couple of gold She was amazing too.
She was just dominant, Like you watched her and you
knew that she was going to win.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And a true great you know that remember back with
Bolt in two thousand and twelve whatever, you know, he
hadn't been written off, but they were saying that these
other guys have probably gone it. And same with Lise Carrington.
You know that she's you know, but I just kind
of deep experience would come through.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know, she's thirty six and his younger.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, well, because she was losing a little bit too.
Of course, on the other amazing fisher.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Yeah, fisher.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
She was meant to challenge like it was going to
be pretty close, and she she got fourth up. Yeah yeah,
and it was a long way behind. It must be
the mentality.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
One of the great performances was Hassan who won bronze
in the women's five thousand, bronze in the woman's ten thousand,
and then won the marathon, all in the same Olympics.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
So she obviously doesn't have us three finish.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Something to work on. It's always good to have something
to improve on.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Why don't they just keep that in the one event
and just the first five thousand meters who wins that,
and then ten thousand who wins that, and then who
wins the final.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Instead of so you basically Kip Chloge would have won
three gold medals in the one.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Race right when the first two and but lose the.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Mouth and you and you do the first five thousand meters,
first ten thousand meters on the track, and then you
take off on the I'll just pull out after you
on the five thou I've got ten metals.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Now then, whether you enjoyed please.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
This last week, well, I've gone back and looked at
highlights because I was busy, like over the last few
days and actual last night I spent some time. I
went back, went through the gymnastics. Really, I mean, they
are the superheroes of all of them.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Just watch it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I watched Trampline and in both the New Zealanders, you know,
they sort of lucked out the end, but they were
both Really.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
She fell off the bar some yeah beam.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Someone brought up the point. I was on Facebook, so
it wasn't this is my concept. But she can jump.
I know, the slightly pawed the ground, but she can
jump like something in the ground off the ground.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, she's on the trampoline.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Why doesn't she do hyer because she's coming from a
low place, I suppose, But you know what.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean, when she gets the she flips her way
in she when she's allowed.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
To do that. They're not allowed to do that, and
and but they should why don't they run into And
it's the same thing. But there's another sport that they
should have been able to, Yeah, the long jump where
they can actually do a forward flip, and they's been
canned and they used to and they got a lot
further higher risk.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Also, I think because she jumps off two feet and
then the high jump you jump off one foot. We
won the gold in the high jump.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
How good was I didn't want to draw.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We'll go to sudden jumping. Love that attitude. It's not
a lot of crowd of a couple of the fact
that per Head camp at a greater level than any
other nation.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I think we third on the capita.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Who's first?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I'm not sure?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, I think you're wrong. Okay, well we'll check perhead
of by by comparison to GDP, the Australians are first.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I always find at the end Olympics, I start thinking
that you know, everybody probably does, is what events you
could possibly compete out if you had to, you know,
and the compet well, the first thing you do is
not to eliminate the ones you wouldn't be any good at.
The athletic ones is probably be a pollop.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yeah, yeah, they're probably smudging the bar off, yeah, smush them.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Or something.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's that coordination thing. Nothing to do with you, nothing
to do with that. What do you head? You take
those ones out of the equation and then you start
thinking about it. Actually realised is.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Absolutely nothing nothing you could do.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
No I don't think there's anything that could train, probably
fencing with something or come on.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
No, no, you're you're gravity feed You need to be
in something Winter Olympics. You don't even push the speed
you were just force you into the front of the
speed in the end of a missile and then three
guys lug you off and then you just drag them down.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Crash. Yeah, Olympics.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
What would I do if I went to the Olympics?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Watch what should she hold up? Obscene cards? I don't know,
something to make a fool of yourself, competing comma, maybe
discus or something hammer catching the hammer. No, you couldn't
do anything at the Olympics, right, Apparently you were really
quick when you were young, you were telling us.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, So I mean, well that's an interesting thing.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
What do you think you would have been best at
at the Olympics?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So what about? Is there not something for over sixty
year olds that you can compete and what would you
compete in? What would you like to compete and share
with us?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
As I'm like forties high jump was my sport.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
We're not talking about the ninetly sixty Olympics. We're talking
about these ones.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I mentioned, like I don't think I think we should
do this. I think we should go to the street
and film. I don't reckon you could get over one
meter sixty No, I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
That's not that's not It'll be like jumping over you Mark.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
It would be exactly you know, with maybe Aaron on
my shoulders, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, one sixteen. Yeah, yeah, I've just said I've just
hit a new need for them. Give me a break,
right have you didn't know that?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Sorry?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, sorry to hear that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
So the fand it myself?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
What what?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
What?
Speaker 5 (09:17):
How are your Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
They're good shoulders?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You left your hands above your head?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
What about your neck?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
You?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I didn't realize that to come into a medical pills?
What would you know? What would you do? I don't know.
If you were at the Olympics gymnastics, no.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
No, I'd like swimming. I'd love to see you on
the dive boarded to watch.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I'll tell you what, master of none but jack of all?
That's yeah, then.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
All right, all right.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I would have liked to have been the decathlete, would you. Yeah,
like sign the palm.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
But you could have done any of the jumping high things.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, you don't have to you can counter that with
just the sheer.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I've seen Mark jump on the seat jump.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I jumped over the bar, but the bars, like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Get so angry, mate. You know, we've worked out pretty
categorically that you'd be bloody awful and everything. You know,
And now you know, I'm just saying the cathline. I
think for you, I think put it out to rhythmic gymnastics.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, I think the gymnastics would be.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Maybe a case of not making lass yourself literally looking
like you're the part of that be the one hundred
two hundred minutes because you could bang start, blow a hammy,
pull a hammy. Yeah, and it's happened to the best.
You know what could have been if they didn't blow
(10:51):
a hammy? You know, did you notice that since nineteen
twenty four two, now less than half a they've taken
one hundred meets. I saw that unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, with all the technology, Yeah, all the technology treatment like.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Jesse Owens and thirty six was doing ten point one.
If they reckon give him blocks and the different shoes,
he would have been second only to Bolt.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
What's your favorite ever Olympics?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Olympic?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, well they'd compare it.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
In it. Jesse Owens was good. I remember Jesse Owens.
There was one event that that we could probably all
know we wouldn't even have the chance that this actually
is David Boone's record.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
David Boone fifty three cans from here to England. I mean,
we can't go without talking about it. I mighty can
it be beaten?
Speaker 7 (11:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Not there.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I think Headley tried and he got to seven.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Market.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
They're going the tram coming down here.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
They involved over the people in front of me.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
They called themselves the best team in the world, Traders
at Marment. They haven't even tried that record yet. Yeah,
it's hopeless. It was actually the corner stuff that how
it worked it out. We're just having a quiet drink
the start then and all of a sudden, flight service
director said, do you know you've had twenty four cans Bernie?
And maybe if we have a roster system and we're
(12:13):
from there, Murph, you should have two dozen with him?
And do you not have a few and fifty three canst.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I mean that will live longer than the game itself.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Probably the thing that people don't understand.
Speaker 9 (12:24):
Before we got onto the plane, we had a training
session in the training camp we had in Melbourne, and
they took blood tests and all that, and the doctor
came back and gave us a cholesterol and all the crap.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
That comes back with blood tests.
Speaker 9 (12:34):
And then he came out and said, and probably the
most alarming feature is that sixteen of the seventeen men's
in this squad have got enough alcohol in their system
in their blood to say that the sixteen alcoholics in
the Australian cricket Tepe and Terry all the memen stood
up the back and said that is an alarming fact.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Who is the one bloke does not having any.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Look, I don't you know.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Tragic as it is is you know a lot of
those Australian crickets in no.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Long no longer with us.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, I've still with us unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Talking a little bit. I'm just gonna worp out for quick. Wait,
I'll be straight.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Back me long. Yeah. You struggle to get that kind
of service on a flight, now though, that's the problem.
You never you never get that kind of support, would you.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's a good thing, though, Like you don't really want
people consuming that much alcohol on the flight, No.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Well not unless you even cracked the record not going
to that bathroom.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
She's changed, good love. Yeah you're again.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, you've been watching the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
You went to I went to the Olympics. Ye, well
not you went to watch were to watch young Fellows
in the seventh Steam and it was great. The French
did create jobs seventy two thousand from the first kickoff. Yeah,
they were there for the whole full days through the
Woman's in the means or six days that.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Now you can ask what could we have done at
the Olympics. I could have played sevens maybe, well possibly yeah,
rushy too. So back to your question, right, what would
you have done?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Still still leaves me out?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Breakdown or what do you think of the breakdownswer like
it's a serious issue.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
She felt sorry for.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I thought it was as I thought it was an
actual perst take. When I saw it, I thought somebody
the AUSSI is only the Aussies could have.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
A laugh like that. But she beat the people from
New Zealand was representing Oceania.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, they had the Ocean Champs. I mean, we're our
our top big girl pulled out just before the champs,
so they.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Obviously didn't invite any brown people. Mate, that's quite obvious.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Just no need for races.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
We managed to get that offcast.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
We're here now, it's all right.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
We've got absolutely bloody Britain quite thank god, talking.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
About people can't dances one hundred meters. We can talk
about that now is here.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Look when you there are certain things white people can't do,
you know, and there's a lot of them. A lot
of things they can do, but a lot of things
they can't. Everyone's different, you know, and dancing, you know,
it doesn't tend to be you know, something that we sort.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Of Hey, how about dancing? Word starts that, yeah, you
because I was okay, dance, I'm talking about you know
those those poms.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, well, the huge, big motors and it's like a
steadying influence. It's like, you know, it's all keeps them still.
They rest a pint on it and they just focus on.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Can you back to the breakdancer. Here's a little bit
of the footage of her dancing. No, no, no, this
is like, this is where she's good. This is what
the Australian team looks. The Australian teams embraced it.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I think I think the one guy who could comment,
you know, from the last years. Thing that was once
sports cafe is the human animal. He really can break dance.
It's part of his party routine. I think we've probably
all seen it, you know. But he's as he's aged,
he's sort of regressed tow but now he's got a
new routine, so he goes at with his new routine
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is quite good. Actually, he goes into a pack dance
floor and he's dancing away and he pretends to have
a heart attack and he drops like a stone, right
and that sort of The music doesn't stop, but people's
clearing a bit of a gap around him, like a circle,
you know. And you know, some people go for the things,
and by the time they do, he just starts twitching
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a finger to the music, and then he starts moving
his feet and then he's reborn again and he jumps
from the ashes from the ashes and either works a
treat or he basically gets blooed out of the house.
You know, he's running about fifty percent at the moment.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
But watch it's quite something.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Imagine the funk your own dad and I said to
make come on, we're going to see it every now
and again, and you go out, We're going to see it.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I think he didn't need it, rely didn't he.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
He didn't christ Church and it was an absolute rip
roaring success down there. They loved it. So the found
up at the Duke and Wolber up up and rust
on people just walking over the top of him to
get the bar. You know, it just made no impact.
Every day before buddy, before you do it, you know,
pick your audience.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
That's good. It tells the story. It's a good routine.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Oh yeah, but he does it just to that awkward length,
so they go, shit, he's actually died, you know, and
then the little twitch to the music. And then once
he's up and he's just ripping his shirt off and
unleash me. And it's quite something to see. He could
comment with authority on.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
So when we when we when the human Cannibal said
to us, please don't mention my name anymore. You know,
I've got a new life now, I'm in the business.
I'm doing my own thing. You know, I don't like
to look back at my past. Is that you mentioned
them every week to new lives. We don't have the
luxury of editing our past.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
And I mean, you know, some people still know you
as that guy human cannibal or Ralph. I mean we're
not actually saying his actual name. We're just alluding to
the chap who wore a suit.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It's gonna be funny one day when someone does actually
have the paddles handy just waiting for this.
Speaker 10 (18:39):
Moment, he sang, and he actually again, we've got we've
got a little club and ord and you know we're
under about because there's a few guys, one of the
guys that had a quadriple and you know, getting to
that agent stage with something nasty could happen on the front.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So to be good hosts, do you put the pedals
on the wall. We had a bit of a sort
of committee meeting around it. We went, there's more chance
of somebody working somebody for fun.
Speaker 11 (19:10):
Your crowd, it's a weapon. Take a dog with liner
fluid off, you've.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Got to do a beer.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
You know what's going there.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
That's why I lose one or two for an art attack,
but we'd lose six or seven pedals here.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Balance. So trying to bring the show back.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
What are you playing?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Are you coaching rugby in this year?
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Yeah? I coached the club side up in Northland, but
Northern we didn't we lost them the Sermiens this year.
But it's going all right, enjoying it.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
And you actually last yeah played played?
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Yeah, I three? I played three games all the I
should say I played. I ran out there three times,
didn't do a hell of a lot, got a couple
of steels and two yellow cards. But someone had told
me that ben punching me?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Who knew?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
You know, if you're running out there like that, someone's
obviously going off. What positions are you running onto? Do
you get me on the wing? Or where do you?
Speaker 5 (20:23):
I just I just picked where I go and move.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
So did you get a few rucks and rocking still?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yes, I've got a couple of rucks. That's ald some
guy I said, don't do that, I'll smack you. You
didn't believe me. That was one of the other cards.
I enjoyed it. A lot of the guys that played
against didn't enjoy it so much. But it's a little
bit old schools different now it's just so different.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And what do you think of the obviously the All
Blacks going down to Argentina.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I actually ever watched that game yet, but yeah, pretty disappointed.
I didn't say that.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I tried to watch it but I don't know way
like you guys. But that's the last thirty eight point loss,
all when that's a lot of points to league in
at thirty eight points.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, we gave it away a couple of soft tries,
two soft tries actually, which which hurt us. But I
sort of thought having two weeks all Blacks and a
star Racer that you know we did inside onto the game,
Bacon Sales, I was on the plane.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Sorry, none at all, all right, so zero, but I did.
I'm pretty sure they were bounced back. But you know,
igent from all accounts Argentina, we didn't just lose it.
They won it.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, I heard they played pretty well.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So the issues with the line.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Out still towards the end, but I mean, how many penalties.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I did take a lot of solace from one of
your sort of instructional videos about how to handle a loss.
And and you know in two thousand and three, we
lost the World Cup semi finals with you.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
At that game.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah we we We were Petter for Simon's yeah, set
with him, and.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
They were hard to lose with Peter Fitz.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, well he was and he was good, Yeah he was,
and reminding us constantly through the game that we were losing.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
The most pointant thing for me. We left out a
minute before the end of the game just to try
and get on the train for everyone else and was
going bad losers whatever. We jumped on the train. Remember
back to Sydney, and guess who was sitting next to you?
Remember so important Graham Henry that his brain was going
straight away.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I can't believe he left early.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
We just literally was a big statum.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
We trid.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, that's right. This is this is how we dealt
with the loss of this hell, how you dealt with
that particular loss.
Speaker 12 (22:46):
This is pretty much h all happened. I was feeling
pretty down after all.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's list. I went in search of arms for all
the same.
Speaker 12 (22:54):
I got on the wrong train and ended up here
friended miles from Sydney in a place.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Called good Umba.
Speaker 12 (23:01):
I didn't think things would get much worse than that,
but that night they did. I got abducted by aliens.
Speaker 13 (23:10):
After a few drinks at my hotel, I went to bed,
and that's when it happened. The following was a dramatic recreation.
I was taken to the mothership on a tractor beam.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It was big.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
While I was there.
Speaker 13 (23:30):
They did all sorts of experiments on me. One of course,
was the rect Or mind probe. This involved sticking a
cumbersome device up my backside and downloading information. God on
who knows what they hope to achieve. I can't even
stand the facts that way, I woke up hours later,
deep in the blue mountains.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I was all alone.
Speaker 13 (23:48):
I struggled back to Katomba, confused and angry that they
hadn't used the faster modem.
Speaker 14 (23:54):
I've seen some strange things meteors stop and change direction.
That's head scratching stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
I needed to share my experience with someone.
Speaker 12 (24:08):
And this white room sort of smell like parmesan cheese,
and that the smaller one with little silver boots on,
and that little jump suit. I think his name was Zorag.
I know that because it was written on the jumpsuit
with a big Z on it, and.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
He looked like the leader. And then he came in
and got the equipment, a happed and shoved that right
up my ass.
Speaker 13 (24:32):
I began to ask, why me, Why should I have
such a strange experience in Katoomba. I'd heard that my
great great great great uncle through failed marriage, Lord Kenny Guy,
who claimed he was abducted Lord Kenny Guy and Importer
was credit through with bringing into New Zealand possums, gorse
and the tall Poppy syndrome.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Incidentally, his musket went off shortly after this photo was taken.
Speaker 13 (24:54):
Then I began to wonder if my abduction had any
effect on how disjointed the story had become.
Speaker 12 (25:01):
I'm about to catch the train back to the city
and I sort of wonder what I've learned from my
experience in coutumber and I think mainly it's that it
doesn't matter if you're a rugby player, a fan, or.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Even somebod who's just had.
Speaker 12 (25:14):
Important information downloaded from their backside. Some stage, we're all
going to have a timber moment in a life, and
I think the most important thing.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
To remember is.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
A powerful stuff. Just I can't believe, I mean because
that we're obviously in Australia doing that. Had a day
to do that. Yeah, it's a better years where the
work gone into Yeah, incredible, ridiculous. How do your brain
used to work when you when you kind of when
you were younger, you had a full one.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
And tried I'm going to actually talk to someone and
watched the game so we can ask them some questions.
And one's got a slightly so one. Lagisimol, who played
a lot of times for the Permise. Eighty two is
that right? One?
Speaker 7 (26:04):
Hello guys, it was eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Eighty seven is what I said? Yeap eighty seven Yeah,
eerfect eighty seven.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
What was the reaction like in Argentina to the to
the Permis victory?
Speaker 7 (26:17):
It was it was a massive win.
Speaker 15 (26:21):
What I felt is that we are finally getting to
that level of intensity or well we can keep playing
for eighty minutes, and I think the boys show that,
so I think that's the main thing for from my
point of view, of course, the win was great, but
(26:44):
also they also showed that Argentina today we are finally
getting to those levels of the top teams. So I'm
happy for that too.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I just came off applying and watched the Maradonna two
and a half hour okay, docco magnificent five hundred hours
of previous footage. It hadn't been released, and the simple
question is Maradonna or missy Uhsty. You're siding with the
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youngsters obvious as well. I mean, he was a troubled individual,
but who wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
It's probably related to.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
So you're going it's the Christian clean answer, you know,
saying what he was a troubled individual, So I go
for the clean, clean, clean slate, the good Christian lad.
Speaker 7 (27:45):
I love Maradonna. I think Maradona is.
Speaker 15 (27:52):
We didn't have a leader in the sports in Argentina
at him, But then we know there.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
His life and everything just parallel to to football.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
It wasn't well, don't go to Napoli. I guess that's the.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Moral of the story.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
I mean, you're Italian too, wreck you know, and I
mean you're the last prack in the world I trust
as well.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, anyway, squeezed the going back to the rugby, which
is what I wanted to talk about, Mecca. The one
of the things I really liked about the Argentinian performance
was after the game where they were celebrating, but there
was a lot of talk, particularly from Creevy, which was Okay,
that's great, we won one. We want to win too,
(28:39):
you know, let's not let's celebrate, but let's get ready
for the next one. I mean that seems to be
quite a mind shift.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think we're improving in that part too.
Before we used to. We used to like, okay, we
did a good game even if we didn't win, or
we're happy. How crazy, But used to be like that.
Speaker 15 (29:03):
You know, Argentina is not an excuse, but Argentina is
an amateur country where we are always like fighting or
trying to to to to go over seas to play rugby,
then to to meet for for a for a massive
game against New Zealand, South Africa, England or Australia or whatever.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
But today the mentality is changing, like the boys are are.
Speaker 15 (29:31):
Changing that and they are improving the mindset of the
of the of let's say, of the of the Argentina rugby.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Because your sevens team is pretty good too. What you know,
they won the series this year and in all surprised
they didn't make the top four Olympics. So something is
happening every day.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
That's positive, yeah, very positive.
Speaker 15 (29:54):
Of course we played the quarterfinals against the champion against France,
and it's never easy to play against the favorites. So
but but yes, it's been like four years playing good
rugby with the sevens.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Have you guys done something better the French because every
time the Argentinians running out of it, it started the
first they got booed, mate, I couldn't believe it. Wow,
what was wrong with I don't know.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
I don't know what happened. But I heard that things
happened with the food and I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 15 (30:29):
You know the story about these two guys who came
when when France came to in July to play against Argentina.
These two guys who went out or whatever. I don't
know what they did, but I think we are there's
a yeah, I don't know, I don't know what happened.
It was even I was talking to to to some
of the boys who were there and they were saying.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
Yeah, I don't know, because they beat you the World
Cup for you guys beat them in the soccer World
Cup for there's two bit so.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
One of the reasons.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Couple of effect that I mean, you know, it's it's
a continuous cool. But I think Argentine women are slightly
hot than free.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Just one. So what do you think?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
What do you think? What do you think of the
obles performance?
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Oh it was.
Speaker 15 (31:22):
I felt like they were a bit an organized exits
from from their own five meters or meters is that
we are not used to to see the oblos in
in such a uncomfortable situation, like I know, Argentina did
a good job, but normally the oblocks are much more organized.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
To to to to go away from from there. Uh
and then like ups and downs.
Speaker 16 (31:55):
It was pretty strange the performance, I know, but I
was thinking and maybe one of the of the reasons
is that new coaches, new coaching staff, new message, the
adapting themselves to to to.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
The new ideas. I don't know, I have no idea
because to be honest, I am, I am fine of
your blacks, but I didn't I didn't like what I saw.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Too many box kicks anyway, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I reckon if if you box kicks from your half
and the opposition catch it on the folds a free
kick from where you kicked it from, they'll stop all
the box kicks.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Yeah, and or just bring back racking and the team
going forward gets a bloody ball, you know, So changing
the game. Suck all the forwards in so it's not
league with lineouts. Suck all the forwards into the eight,
bring back running, and if you're if the team's going
I don't care if you're crawling forward. If you've got
the ball and you're going forward.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You keep it. What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You're doing any coaching playing? What are you up to now?
Speaker 7 (32:57):
I'm going I coach.
Speaker 15 (33:01):
A franchise Argentina and franchise we have we have a
South American tournament in in South America and we have
and we have we have two franchises in Argentina, one
in Uruguay, one in Chile, one in Paraguay, one in Brazil,
and one in the United States.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
And we played from January to June. And I was
the coach of one of the artist franchises.
Speaker 15 (33:30):
So it was my first experience. I'm doing that now.
I'm starting to plan everything for next year. So so
that's my job now.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
And when do you get the boots on and get
them play a couple of games, because like a rush
you can play at fifty eight? Yes, yeah, nice.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Now one last question, most seizure.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
That was a good pronunciation. Uh, I will say, I
will say yeah, Uh, have a few more.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Moss black pudding is Kidneys South America and as and
awful as is king. You know, it's a bet and
cooked so perfectly. The only words I knew when I
lived there was Comedo with the be there, which was
food or drink? And of the beats food no cometoo? Yeah,
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not a mass.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
Yeah too, don't forget.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, but a blood pudding, a blood sausage, hard to beat.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
I like a tvito myselfvito and.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
From what's that?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
It's it's.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Sevans is the only place where you you get You
got to come out of the night club, have breakfast
before you go to beat.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Mecca.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
We'll get to the light club at six in the morning.
There's a cue to get in.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Really, you love it, mate, the big break the way
it is.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Yeah, beautiful, beautiful way of life.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
A crazy country man. Your wife is pretty much.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
All right, all right, fine, thanks so much for joining
us and putting up with our sort of Spanish pronunciations
and stuff.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
So oh yeah, I thought we were talking about we
were talking in the Spanish.
Speaker 14 (35:34):
Man.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
You told me what what what time?
Speaker 1 (35:36):
What time is it there?
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Now?
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Well at least you speak Spanish.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, I'm semi fluent.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
We'll say something, say goodbye. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
Too much?
Speaker 1 (35:59):
When it's not what what time is it there?
Speaker 7 (36:04):
That's good? It's uh what to name?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, thanks mate, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
I used to like there's big steaks in Buenos Aires.
Mate fill up the whole plate. So you order a steak,
you get a plate, and the steak took up the
whole plate, you know, a whole bowl of chips and
a whole bowl of lettuce.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
I lived above a steakhouse called La Cabera in Palermo,
and it's like one of them, and we were on
the roof and they turned the barbecue on all the
wood fire charcoal at about two o'clock in the afternoon,
and it's like just like Pavlov's dogs. I found myself
walking down the stairs. It was unbelievable, like ringing the bell.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
And you talked about the seven So you used to
run a team what were they called the Mongrels, the Mongols,
that's right, And you used to actually get a whole
o of people and just travel. This is before the
seven Circle was there pretty much?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (37:02):
And was it in?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Was it then?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Your a guy that Zinny was Superman? Yeah? Yeah, he.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
We played with the Ossies. They mixed us up. They
called us the ANZACs. So Zinny was there, Frank myself
and they had John Eels, Jason Little and I think
it was Darren Johnny gave us six guys for a
seventh team. You think they could to give us seven.
We used the local guy, called him the Pow. But
you know we were we played really well because we
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were trying to outplay the Aussies and they were doing
the same and we smoked it.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
But afterwards John Eels is the nicest person in the world.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Because the bar was like three or four deep and uh, no,
want to go to barsa where papers is rocked this.
He was going to get all the drinks. Well, because
we had a code, you know, we worked out we
never lost. It was about three rounds and Jason Little
comes out of the buses. Have got a code, mate,
what is it? So we led him in Darren Journy
three rounds later. Yeah, John Eils mate twelve times.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
He went to the bar.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
He was like, it was just unkeny, I can't.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Just anyone would do that. And you was that when
that that Mongols group you took Jonah when he was
really young.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Uh yeah, he went to Singapore. We went to Singapore,
Joda I probably he was probably maybe seventeen, and uh
just right then we knew it was a freak because
I played touch against him in Otara and there's a
big black follow men and he could run. And we
used to be quite fast, you know, we were okay,
and I thought I'll just run around the student and
(38:35):
I stepped and had a crack, and he was just
jogging beside.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Me, smiling.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
I was like, holy ship, this six foot five.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
I used to love the story you tell about him,
how cool you thought he was because of the you
know the glass. Tell that joke, mate. I used to
tell the joke about the first time you marked them,
and yeah, he thought this guy's amazing. And then he's
wearing the glasses.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
I always say when he was running, I thought were
in sunglasses. Was his nostrils and you're going to be
back to.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Get away of those ones.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Well, the one thing I've noticed about the Mongols who
went on to it, none of them were white.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
And Strawn was there once. And Strawn came once. He
got drunk on the first night and didn't make training
the next day, never came back.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
And you know, now we have like we have the
seven circuit, which is amazing, you know, world rugby. But
you sort of were like the pathfinders. You sort of
created a circuit by just sort of getting a group
of mates together and going to all these tournaments we used.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
To and then then it got more serious. So the
Ossie sent the national team to put to the list
there once and we went with the We used to
call our team the Mongols. Lindsey Racky called us the Mongols.
But we'd come home at five in the morning and
the Ossies would be getting ready to go to training
at seven would still be in the heaving breakfast. We're
(39:54):
going out, and then we hopped on the plane. The
Ossies beat us in the final because the guys are
just on this the whole time, and they were in
business class and we were down the back. So we
won actually, and we still beat them. And we're walking
on the playing with the trophy. Frank at the trophy
and Bob Dwyer was their coach. We're walking past business
(40:14):
class and do I guess nice trophy, Frank. Before you see.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
The seventh man, you know, that was you know, the top,
you know, all blacks and stuff in the seventh team.
Now it's sort of specialists kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
When you were in that transition really, because when you started.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
My first year, Johnny Shoe played John Perwin, j Wright Buck,
They all played.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
It was all later they had Colen and Loma. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Later became the way to to to discover these young guys.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Yeah, you were the same. He he was the same.
He was.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
It was, it was, it was.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
It was seen as fifteen pre season training to do
seven now.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Straight seven specialists.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Yeah yeah, and it said she's a growing on the circuit.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Met I remember your son's in the seventh team. So
does how does their workload compared to what you used
to do.
Speaker 5 (41:08):
I think their workloads are a little bit more because
they're twenty four to seven. Like we would go home
for three weeks and then come back and get threshed
by Titch for Bloody. So that's all.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
I remember. Touch was big on the psychological thing. I
remember going up then we played one of the Fiji
Parmi competitions and I got in the seventh seemed to
go to Hong Kong and we're sitting up there and
he said, right, guys, we're going to sit down and
we're going to do seven minutes of visualizing about how
this half's going to go. Seven minutes is a long time.
I'm like a two year old scarfie, you know. And
(41:40):
he said, Mecca, how did the game start? And I said, well, touch,
you wouldn't believe it. They kicked the ball straight to me,
put a big left foots step on, went straight out
of the post seven and he said, great, good, positive
starts on bloody well done, you know. And he said
what happened after that? And I said, we're about a
minute thirty in and I said, silly pracs, kick it
straight back to me, right footstep this time under the post.
(42:01):
Fourteen nol bututn't believe it, he said. He said, oh cheese, magga,
this is going well. You know, he's getting so excited
that we were getting And he said, then what happen?
And then I said, oh, then I got a board
on back, shagging a bird at.
Speaker 17 (42:12):
The whole boys and creaking up laughing. I said, the
game has got as fucking over. I scored three goals
over the post. I was on the celebrated, never played again.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I remember because here THETS.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Fitness he was big on.
Speaker 5 (42:36):
He was ahead of his Oh yeah, the fitness would
have been that type round for those guys. No that
they they're a little bit sensible now. It was ready training, yeahches, trainings.
It got to a stage because you'd run for two
and a half hours and there was only ten of
us there, so there was no downtime. But it got
to a stage in training where where it was actually
(42:56):
counter productive physically. You know, you're actually doing damage to
your body. But that's when that training kicked in, and
that's where we were real good. We knew that every
day a training we'd been in the hard place. So
when we got to it in the game just enough day.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Was that lacking? Now?
Speaker 5 (43:12):
Is that we're saying, not not lacking, but I think
it is caught up. Probably the Argentinians are good. Fiji's
always been good. The French, I mean they played so
well at home. Africa could win it, Ossie's could win it,
you know the iriship.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
If you look at rugby full stop now right, you've
got people who are all the same size, or can
lift as much as each other, or can run just
as fast as each other. So why is it that
one team beats the other? It's all mental exactly when
we were kids, it was all when we were playing,
it was all about top two inches, right, which is
why when the All Blacks came off the field and
they've won a game, you never show emotion. You just
walk off like you expected to win.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
And is this a bit of an issue now?
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Now they're jumping up up and going whoa when they win,
you know. So that's a diametric change from the principle
that we had that Laurence saw, which is if you
win doesn't matter, if it's a close game where you
thump them, you walk off like you expected to win.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
So it was all about that, but also the opposition,
like we were just talking before, you know, the nargenteena
about they believe all the other teams believe, and when
you guys are playing most teams there was that they
didn't really believe. I'm going back to even teams on
Ireland hadn't beaten you guys by then. There's so many
teams now believe they can the All Blacks, and that's
(44:22):
almost your your super cape has gone slightly. You really
have to.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
There was a feel the Black Jersey and every other
team back then. They remember when this guy got six
tries at the World Cup and our team talk was
in the back of these minds against Japan, these guys
are scared of the All Blacks. So the first ruck
we're going to Take it at their best player, the
number seven. He was a tomming boy.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Take it at him.
Speaker 5 (44:45):
Make him tackle everyone go over the top and kicked
up and shoot out of him.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
We did that.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Their best player was on the ground verse and the
rest of them just clocked out. They just clogged.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
Hey, they were playing pretty bloody well.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Man.
Speaker 5 (44:58):
They got your tripes two tries for you on the
other one, I mean also another wing. I could have
got eight tries if you had a passing anyone.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, I can't get that.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
But the problem was I'd actually read the thing that said,
oh you know some Welshman Yan Evans or something, you
got five tries and I got up to three. I went,
I got a chance.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
I'm passing it that record.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
They're getting closer and closer and closer.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
You don't Japan anymore, they racually What about like for you?
You know obviously the great Ruby career and now you
get the chance to watch your own boys. You know
how special is that? It's cool?
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yeah, it's like you know they it's great to see
them progressing. But it's hard because because I've been telling
them all the stuff all all through the years, and
they never listened, you know, I'll give them this just
awesome information. But all they here is make your bed,
do the dishes, take the rubber show, you know. But
(46:00):
now they're in the top stuff. They're like all that
stuff you were telling him, it's a true. So I said,
it's really good to watch them and you know that
they worked hard and getting there now. But you know,
like it's uh, there's a lot of opportunities for these
young fellows nowadays around the world, you know, so the
(46:21):
lucky little bit buggers.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
But yeah, but then in saying that, you know, your career,
whatever it may be, there's forty years of your life.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
You know.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
The sporting opportunity is about five.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
You look at me when you say whatever it may be.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
I do so with the utmost of respect, because I
mean you could have. You know, you've done everything pretty
much part on the sport, you know, radio, Chip mag mate,
you know, TV like, but you've done.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
It for twenty years.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
And that is the hard part about rugby. And I
think that's all my boys that they could walk away
now and still go alright, they're still like the good dudes,
you know.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
So once you're in the supermarket game, they bro it's
you know, the families stay pretty tight there.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
They wouldn't They couldn't think of anything worse than packing
the shelves at the supermarket.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Yeah, nor could you, Mate, You don't do that. You
just get flown around.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
I'm on the floor every day, Mecca, every day changes
Mate selling very well. A few more specials.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
About special proma.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Because when you started out, you had to do every
little area and the supermarket didn't you.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
What's funny story how I got into the supermarket game
because Robin Brook was in there and I invited to
the foodies conference and I just got up there and
ripped them, as you do, you know. And so I
met the local pack and Save guy Hayden and local
you Will guy with Jason Wits, and I spoke about
coaching the kids rugby team out of Otara, and they said, oh, mane,
(48:04):
they ever need a hand with the boys, just give
us a hell. You know, we can help out financially.
So I took them snowboarding. This particularly because kids in
Atara they think Otara's New Zealand. That's all they've ever seen,
you know. So we went down to the snow I
twenty three players. We had ninety seven people wanted to
come on the trip. None of them had been to
the snow, and I didn't want to say no to anyone.
(48:25):
So I only had enough money for one bus. So
I went to at Monekel Peck and Save and Chase
and they paid for both the buses and gave us
all the food for five days. And that's just I
can't pay you back. And N said, you pay me back,
all right, mate. You're in my produce department for nothing
for a week, sweet Brosage pellets meant pellets of letters,
(48:47):
pellets of califlower, peltzer cables, just trimmed it the whole week.
In Friday afternoon, I got called up to the training room.
All the managers there that were heming lunch, so I
had a feed and then the boss is right, pay
up the out of putting team bucks.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
On the table.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
I was like, I ain't got any cash on me
as usually, you know, I said to the boss. I
didn't realize we had to pay for lunch bell and
didn't bring any money as no, no, no, all these people,
but bet you wouldn't be here by Friday. And that's
you said, I think you got what it takes. Mate.
We gave you all the shittiest jobs. We don't want
you know, rich guys or or famous guys. You want
(49:22):
guys who would get on the floor and do some work.
And that's how I started. It was just literally and tell.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Them, tell these boys who was in there, like because
I remember doing the fundraiser, coming to the fundraiser for
the boys. And but a few of them, a few
of them like that the East Stomaching team have kicked
on them.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
Yeah, well that particular team. But we had from May
he paid for Salmore at first. Well, our best player
with Vinnie, he's he's pastawen now. Our center was milaniy
Nannai who plaid for the Blues. The wingers Morla who
was in the New Zealand sevens now and the full
back was Roger. So yeah, that was one little team
(49:58):
in Otara. And then the next team I coached is Tommachy.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
I was the lock.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
He's in the All Blacks now. My other son Rob,
he was the other lock, so he's he's playing super
rugby now. Brady's in the New Zealand sevens team and
the just think three or four of them are playing
for New Zealand touch. So show just the talents everywhere. Men.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
It's a beautiful thing, isn't it, And you reckon you
can sort of spot it around the age of sort
of five or sex. You see the kids and you go, oh,
that kid's got a good chart.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
Roger was good at seven.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
Yeah, as long as as long as the genetics allowed
them grow big enough.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
Yeah, you can tell it pretty early. And it's quite
nice to watch these kids in their attitude and just
sort of, you know, being a parent on the sideline watching.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
An age whether they should maybe maybe later where they
should go to lege or rugby or is it really
just a bit of a good.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Whether it's legal rugby, you know. But in South Aukland,
West Ekland, all those sort of areas talents their biggest
enemy because all the kids can do it first step, tackle,
have a ball on a string. Talent is the biggest enemy.
If they can, if they can marry the hard work
with the talent, those are the kids that carry on.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
So it's medal tencity.
Speaker 5 (51:13):
A lot of kids rely on the talent and scary Roger.
So all our boys, like half the team then had
a telephone in the house, just couldn't afford it, which
is a real bugger in it rain because you could
only ring half of them up to cancel training, so
I'd have to go up to get and the other
half would turn up the training rain. And Roger was
(51:33):
always one of those kids. His father Johnny was the
other coach, and he used to make Roger run home,
so be running down Eastmicky Road, sidestepping the purpurse on
the way back to Fogus.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
There it is right there. If you want to become
a professional sportsman, you've got to have that attitude. And
that's the one thing that will define you. It's not
the skill or the ability. It's whether or not your
pip says I'm going to be able to do it,
whether somebody has told you you've got the ability to
do it, and believe that you can dream it and
you can do it.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
And Rob were the Locks on our team, and they
were they were playing a year up because the older brothers.
Uh then he had one car, so you had to
play in the team that was there, you know. And
they were the two youngest in the team and now
they're the two toughest guys from their team. Yeah, because
they had to play a europe in.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
Auckland, it's always the youngest brother.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
When Roger went to because he was an outstanding young
rugby player, you know, at school boys and stuff. And
then when he went to the league, he had to
give you a call.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
His father made him call me, well you're going to
go to league. You better ring Eric, Oh, I'm going
to league. I said, well, you go there, learn as
much as you can, come back and be an all
black window.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
And he did it.
Speaker 5 (52:41):
You know, he did it. So I stoked for him.
Good kid to me, real good kid, solid family. So yeah,
it's a real, real success story.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah, it must be good for you to sort of,
you know, have been involved at such a young age
of these guys and then just to see them reach
their potential. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:58):
And and the thing is that there's four or five
and guys other guys in that tend that could have
done just as well.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
They had to tell it's the whole community around the
individual eight, you know, and it starts at the family.
If the family's type, that's the start that the kid
needs because typically their dad and their mama you know,
sort of wonder woman and Superman to them. So if
they say hey, you can do it, they believe it.
And then the community starts getting on board and that
impetus and that gravitas of everyone in behind you run
(53:27):
supporting it. Particularly I suspect and you know the Polynesian
culture and the married comes.
Speaker 5 (53:31):
I saw the sevens, the girls seven's up up in Paris.
They had a huge amount of family there, so you
could tell that's been from an early age. It was
just and it just lifted them through that. The girls
were man, that was sharp.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
Man.
Speaker 5 (53:44):
I love watching the girls play Aussie skill levels right
up there.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
I mean, obviously you know these are the positive sides
of rugby. We're still sort of you know, recovering from
a loss, you know, on the weekend, and we.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Had where are you going with this?
Speaker 5 (54:03):
The most morbid bloody.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
But I'm trying to get to the next clip.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
We're on a positive.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
It's well, I don't have a positive clip to play.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
Put a positive bloody look on your face and so
say something with an enthusiasms.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
You know, what a great conversation and this is such
a fulfilling game of rugby and what are you going
to come back as that came back as rushy. Look
this is what we had send Neil on the show
after we lost the semi final, and he just gave
us some advice about how to handle how to handle
(54:43):
a loss.
Speaker 18 (54:44):
I was actually commentating for Channel seven, a job for
which I'm spectacularly unqualified. Yeah, and of course I was.
I was gutted at the end, like we all were.
But not gutted for me or even for New Zealand,
but for those thirty blokes I have.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
I have played their heart out this year.
Speaker 18 (55:01):
They're a spectacular side and completely inspirational, and I was
also gutted for the real possibility they have to go
home to three million misery guts The thing about expectations,
it's a big ask for Look, eleven of the guys
that ran onto that field on Saturday are twenty five
and under.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
They're really young guys.
Speaker 18 (55:21):
It's a very young side, and to carry the morale
of an entire country on those young shoulders, I think
it is too big an ask.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
It's unfair.
Speaker 18 (55:31):
I would suggest that we get behind these all blacks.
I think they've been actually fantastic. They've had a wonderful year.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
So after Sam, after that will Cup in two thousand
and three, was it in Australia? I think no, it wasn't.
Two thousand and seven, that wasn't. And Samuel actually wrote
an email to me to fall on to New Zealand
Rugby to say, please don't change the coach. I think
the all blanks are magnificent and stuff like these are
passionate men. Love his passionate. Love the fact that he
(56:01):
cared that much.
Speaker 4 (56:02):
I love the fact that he cruises around in Queensland
and are town just like Jack the Lamb, you know,
like not not anyone special, Is that right? Yeah, just
so low key, so cool. I've always admired that about
the man.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, great man. Also, this was an experiment and what
it'll be like getting everyone in the same room again,
and is it over? Yeah? When are you guys off
to Europe?
Speaker 1 (56:27):
I think the next one in the sauna, like you know,
like you know, more intense, more heat it up.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
So all the best for whatever you do. And I
hope I never see some of you again.
Speaker 4 (56:40):
Today. I mean that's you started the show by saying, look,
that show was bad and that was a net result
of having Lady on the show. Yeah, you know that shows.
But so who are you going to chop next time?
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Well? This time.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
Do you think that?
Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (56:57):
Well, I'm just reading between the lines. You three of
you on all of them, and everybody else gets blamed
for I was.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
I missed one and that was the highest rating one.
Then I wasn't, So I've got a complex.
Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, and when Lana was on that raided through the roof.
Speaker 4 (57:13):
I'm happy to miss the next efforts to stand down.
Well I need to do to get kicked off?
Speaker 3 (57:21):
I don't know, because you've tried.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
Should we take a couple of weeks off everyone, and
that way we can keep them, keep them, you know,
keep them wanting more.
Speaker 4 (57:30):
Their way wreck will want to be because he's promised
that the show is going to go for a bit
longer than this. Yeah, So if we just don't turn
up next week and.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
The corner, I just found it, irnic down more than
all of us were overseas for X amount of weeks,
all of us, Rushi, mark myself, you're the only one
that was here yet we all had to zoom in.
Would have been a lot of easier if you went
over and joined us. But you couldn't do that. Could
you to sit here in your in your logic?
Speaker 3 (58:00):
Does the sun go around the Earth?
Speaker 11 (58:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (58:02):
No, the Earth goes around the sun. Muhammed goert to
the mountain.
Speaker 5 (58:05):
No, no, I'm lost.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
I'll see you next week.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Good night. I hope not.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Now you go to av You follow my advice.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah, I bet on against the All Blacks, and.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
I wanted to get Naki on board. I thought you
were that bloody lamentable. You haven't want anything that we needed.
Somebody who's cable.
Speaker 3 (58:29):
I I'm going to return from Argentina and I also
bet on Hamish Cruder in the Olympic high jump gold.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
We're in the money.
Speaker 3 (58:39):
I'm really good at it.
Speaker 5 (58:40):
We are in the money.
Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah, I'm going to spin up
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