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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talks'd be.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
How were jointed Now by Chris Cans as we take
a look at the vagaries of the game of cricket.
Good day to you, Chris, I trust your will.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
To good to chat as always.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And great to have you back on. Of course you
would have been keenly enjoying what was going on in
christ Church as far as a Test cricket match is concerned,
but not the result and not what happened there. Considering
what happened in India. There was a right head scratch
to christ Church, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, Well, and look I kind of agree with what
Tom Lathan said at the end of it. May they
don't need to go into sort of a microscopic analysis
of what happened, like taking catches and the game. The
game was completely different and then made off the back
of what occurred in India, which is quite simply. I
think it's the greatest Test victory series victory in the
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history of the game. I'm going to be fascinated to
see what happens at the Hallbergs off the back of
what that Mean's team did in India. But bringing it
back to now, it was an aberration. That's not a
normal New Zealand fielding unit, and so you're right, it's
a head scratcher.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's been sluggish though in the field. I think when
Rixon kicked it all off and it carried on right
the way through. We're a very sharp fielding unit. It
was something we could control envy of the world. And
then the last year or so it's kind of buttoned
off a wee bit. Can you put your finger on why?
Maybe the standards aren't as high or the execution mores
the point as not as high as it has been previously.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I don't know, Mat, I'm not even sure that that's
the case. I think, you know, when when you drop
eight catch, I got it. I wouldn't even know when
New Zealand testing would have dropped eight catches and never
and you know the fact that that many and then
Brooke was dropped five times. I mean he just kept
teen off and teen off and teen off, and so
for them to have done that, you know, yeah, but
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it's just it was such It was a really funny
one for me just the field, because I thought it
was a good toss to lose. And the reason I
say that is that when you when you bowl or
bat in a northwest in christ Church, you know it
looks green, you choose to bowl, it doesn't often do
as much as what you think. So so New Zealand
was well and truly in the heart made and hadding
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seventy for four in the first dig. And if they
had have taken catches, we could well be talking a
different story.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
When somebody puts down a catch that they should have taken,
and then another one and then another one. The talk
amongst the team about how you spot that accelerating because
the fear would be there. What do you say amongst
a team around something like that, and then when you
start dropping more? Wow, what's the conversation?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Look, it's concentration. I mean they're all professional athletes. May
they've been around the game long enough they know fielding
is just a given, you know, those those basic fundamentals,
and so it just it's simply just comes down to concentration.
So so for there to be that many eras, Look,
it is a funny scene ground there because you've got
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that tightly packed crowd in a in a sort of
a bank scenario. So so look, there's there's enough things
around there, but it's no excuse. I mean they've played there,
you know, many many times. But yeah, I just I
don't think they can get too carried it away with
the analytics of it. They feel they train hard enough,
so it's it's yeah, it's a it's an anomaly, but
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one that needs to be rectified. But saying that, when
you're when you're in a group that's dropping catches, you
do get to the scenario where it's like Jesus, hope
it doesn't come to me and you So there is
a little bit of that. But look, as I said,
they're all you know, they're all professional cricketers. They know
what they're doing, and I know I've got confidence made
that they'll bounce back in the Field's.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
On Chris Kins because I remember Sir Richard Hadley saying
about the ability to want to be involved in the action.
He wanted the ball to come to him, he wanted
the catch to come to me. Said that's the energy
you need to put out as opposed to going on don't.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, and look and look, as much as I'm sort
of joking about it, they won't be thinking that. And look,
Glenn Phillips is arguably one of the top three fielders
in the world, so you know for him to be
doing that, they just they just need to work it
out at training and just get back into a rhythm.
Grab the first couple that come their way, because you're right, mate.
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New Zealand has always prided itself on its ability to
put pressure on in the field. And look, you know,
I'll back them to bounce back and anomaly.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
We'll leave it at that. Let's go to the test
coming up and one like look, Hagley oval. In fact,
we are blessed with beautiful ovals here in New Zealand.
It's so good from the concrete jungle days actually having
ovals and you can't really go past what will be
the magnificence of a Kawa studded base and reserve. The
discussion now, Chris Kens, is around what do we do
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with the te It's interesting because it will take spin
Mitt Santner has now been hauled in that means one
of four seamans will likely go. Most people think Smith,
the new guy, will go. There's a thought that it
may be salthy. How do you make that decision?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, look, I thought Gary Stead got it wrong, and
he doesn't often get it wrong. I thought he got
it wrong by not playing Will Young in christ Church
moreso made off the bat that he had earned his
place in the side, off his performance in the three
tests in India, and so for the player of the
series to then come back to christ Church and be
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dropped from the side, I just I just don't know
internally the dynamic or how the team sort of feels
about that, and the fact that I, like I said, mate,
I thought he earned his play. So whether Conway made
way or you didn't play the extra Seema and Smith
and you kept a longer batting lineup. But for Young
to be left out, I think just it sort of
just sent the wrong message about who New Zealand was
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and and may Will Young earns his place, right, That's
what That's what I felt. But but look, didn't play
lost the test. Now they've come to to Wellington, as
you say, there's talk of Saudi missing out, but he can't,
you know, I he deserves to play the next next
two tests regardless. I mean, you know, it's a and
that's just the way it is. And I and that's
you know, and I've been a bit sentimental, probably yeah,
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But for someone to have given as much service and
done as much as he's done, he deserves. He deserves
his final two tests. So so he's a given right,
He's a lock. Henry's a lock. A Rock is going
to He's going to be a superstar. There's no two
ways about it. He's going to be a superstar. So
so for me, Smith makes way for Santana. But the
issue becomes, uh, you know, do do you persevere with
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an out of form Conway? And so these are the
decisions that Gary said, will have to sort of look
at and do you look at a tired Tom Blundle.
He does look tired with his footwork behind the stumps,
made his falling over at the crease when he's batting,
he's moving across the stumps, so he's not looking as
sharp as what he has done in the past. So
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do you put him at seven? And Phillips the sixth?
So I think there's going to be some tweaks with
what the unit is. But can they win absolutely? Can
they win the series two one? Absolutely? So they're not
done in dusted by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Chris Kian' is a theory that has floated around good
teams for a long time and it's been definitely in
place for the black Caps is it's very hard to
get in and it's very hard to get out. So
when you look at the case you've been mentioning, now,
I think the swap around with Blundell and Phillips is
pretty logical, but maybe Conway and Young is that a
little cruel to trigger him now? I think that they're
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more than likely to give him a bit more rope
before the end of the season. But that's another difficult decision.
Where do you intend on that one?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, it is. If they were going to do it, mate,
they should have done in the first test to give
because Young, off the back of his Player of the
Series performance, make a tough call and say to colwait, look,
go back to domestic cricket and get some form back
because he's he's reaching for the ball, his hands aren't
quite he doesn't sort of know where his hands are
at the moment. So that was the chance starts to
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bring Young in. Now that they or now that they didn't,
and look, we're analyzing things off the back of New
Zealand's greatest ever Tessa is when Gary Stead has got
a wonderful credential or credentials with what he's done. He's
a smart operator. But now he's under the pump because
you know, and this will be the true character of
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this side to bounce back. And I believe they can
do it. There's no two ways about it. But there
are a couple of tweaks that are required. But just
coming back to your point of circling back, it is
the hallmark of a good side that it is harder
to get out of the side than to get in.
And I remember Mark Wore sort of talking to me,
you know, in that great Ossie sort of late nineties
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two thousand sort of side where you know, he's sort
of said that they always had the confidence to fail.
He knew that it wasn't going to be a couple
of run of low scores that was going to get
them out of the side. They they they had the
confidence to fail. And when you have that, I mean,
you know you have a good unit, but you've got
to stay You've got to stay true to that. So
so if they bounce back from what would be such
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a disappointing performance in christ Church and win this next test,
which they can do then their back on track.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Confidence to fail? Interesting theory. That was that amazing era
with the psychological disintegration at the answer, wasn't it?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, there's well, Steve war I mean they had a
wonderful side. And look we had a series over there
in two thousand and two thousand and one, two thousand
and two I think, and that was Shane Bond's first
series and you know we drew nil all against you know,
an amazing aussy side. We had a tough little a
good little side actually, and but you know we also
had a good hub at that stage of players you
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know who knew they and again you know, getting consistency
of selection. And it's a good saying, you know, to
have the confidence to fail.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So just in closing a couple of scenarios, you believe
that Blundle stays even though he's tired, but he just
drops a place or two and you would like to
see how they retain his place too. And I want
to expand on that. You say he deserves it because
of his career. How long does that last?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
For?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
How long do you give a guy that rope he's
only got two tests to go? Is it fado complete?
Is that necessarily the right way to go. Look, he
hasn't played poorly. I'm not saying he has. But this
whole concept of you've been never so long, we're going
to let you bow it on your terms.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
How comfortable with that? Yeah, that's it's good. It's a
good point and so and look it's it's a Test match, right,
so we're not So I'm being mindful of just saying,
you know, he's he's in there regardless what I do
think it's a bit of a tweak. Actually, so as
much as we're talking about Phillips and Blundle swapping around,
because I thought over the last year that should have
been the scenario anyway. I thought that Philip should have
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been a sexual betting above Blundle with his keeping role
and then the batting sort of side of it. I
would I would have a consideration towards O'Rourke and Matt
Henry taking the new ball together because I do think
that now with Tim Soudy just dropping off a bit
of power. Do I think he's the best third seema
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in the country. Yes, I do so, he's in the
top three seemas. But what we could do Darce and
I think that this is potentially logical as well. Is
that a rock bowls downwind and Wellington because like I said,
him with the new ball, he is going to be
a real handful. And then and then Matt Henry comes
up into the wind because then Wellington you have to
have that into wind bowler, so Matt Henry can come
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up into it and then he can come back and
follow a walk after that or vice versa. A rock
bowls three and then follows up after Henry. But Tim
Soudy's going to have to do some hard yards into
the wind and he's done that before, so that's that
into the wind bowler is really really important or seema
in Wellington. So and then going I think Hamilton is
the last test. You know again if that if that
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dynamic is the best a dynamic with O'Rourke and Henry opening,
because that's the most penetration that we'll get, well, then
we do that. And then having Tim Soudy as first
change that there's no better first change bowler in New Zealands.
Even if you take him out of opening us, he's
still he's still there and capable of performing the role.
So yes, he retains this position.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
And Chris that last one you've touched on that does
Young come in for Conway or is it too late?
Has that horse bolted and Conway's got to the end
of the year.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, I think, I think I think both Blundle. I
think if if there's if there's a result that goes
against New Zealand this test, mate, I think that you
could be looking at a Conway and a Blundle potentially.
I do think this is there. This could be their
last test to show what they've got. So a draw
or a win for New Zealand would see them retain.
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But if there's another loss for New Zealand, then I
think you know Conway's position unless he scores runs Blundle.
Those are the sorts of positions made that will start
to come under scrutiny, as will the Saudi one. But
I still think Saudi's that three prong seam attack New
Zealand's got. I don't think there's a better option for that.
But you know, an adverse result for New Zealand could
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mean there's changes looked at, but they're still good enough
to win this series starts. They really are.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Keeper first, bat second. Blundle's the best keeper we've got right, Yeah,
one and want to put a guy like Latham or
maybe Conway in there because they can. You'd rather stick
with someone who knows what they're doing behind the sticks
first and foremost.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, especially coming off the back of a three new
series win against India, we've had a test loss that
doesn't require wholesale change, but should there be another adverse
result as I said, off the back of the first Test,
and then then consideration will have to start to be given.
But at this stage they've got the cattle there to
be able to go out and succeed. And mate, look
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I think they can, you know, and fix those catching moves.
England are an attacking side, but they're going to give
you chances. And you know, I didn't really sort of
see anything there that makes them sort of stand out.
So no New Zealander. Still well and truly in the hunter.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Here and on that, mister Christopher Kyns, we thank you
very much for your time, your expertise and your input.
As always, after yourself, have a great weekend. I know
executly what you're doing on Friday, have fun, brilliant. Thanks mate.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
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