August 1, 2024 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to recap an exciting day in the world of sports! Highlights for tonight include:
Crusaders CEO Colin Mansbridge on the review that found Rob Penney doesn't need to be given the sack as coach.
Talkback - Should Rob Penney be sacked?
Olympic gold medallist Georgie Earl (nee Evers-Swindell) on the rowing.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk zed B.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
You like good evening, Welcome to sports Talk Great deby
on board seven up to seven it is. It's a
Thursday night, August one, twenty twenty four, counting down the
month till spring. Yes, coming up on the program tonight.
Toward the end of the show, we're going to shoot
off to Paris, says we do habitually. Michael Bridge just
(00:54):
joins us multi media scribe out of n z ME,
particularly with the Herald, will take a look forward at
the action of an evening, which of course there is
plenty of. Georgie Earl joins us later on the piece,
and for those of you who don't know, Georgie Earl
used to be Georgina everswind Out. I think you know
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how I'm talking about now half of the twins that
were the most sensational doubles pairing back to back gold medals.
She joins us to talk about the pressure, the build
up and what kind of microscope these rowers are under,
how they can transfer from disciplines, from boat to boat,
and how that actually operates. Because, of course this evening
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a number of finals in the rowing Francis and Spores.
I've got the double skull that's at nine eighteen. Manson
and Parry have got the double skull for men that
is at nine thirty, the women's cocklus four that gets
going at ten to ten, and the men's cocklus four
at Coxliss four. You're always going to say that when
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he goes at ten past ten. And of course there
are two other rowers they are involved with a single
skull and women it's Twig and Macintosh their semi finals
seven thirty and seven point fifty. We'll keep you up
to date with those as well. But our main guest
of an evening it's not Olympics, but we can just
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breathe for a while and look at rugby union. Colin
Mansbridge joins us shortly as we take a look at
the review, that is decided that Rob Penny will carry
on being the coach of that Super Rugby Pacific franchise
throughout next season. Much conjecture over whether he would last
or not after the let's say it appalling results of
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the Crusaders over twenty twenty four, Willie Canny survive what
it did and we'll find out why when Colin Mansbridge
joins us next and then after that, I'd like to
hear from Super Rugby fans. Are they agog at what
happened here? Is this a stunning decision, odd decision? Or
is this a very sensible decision from the Crusaders. I'm
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sure there's people outside of the Crusaders franchise that we
don't care. They lost. That's all we care about. Doesn't
matter the Witch's dad ding dong the Witches did. It
might change next year, it might not because Robert Penny
is back right, That's already come before any of that, though,
Let's do this sport today, and in sport today. Is
Hayden Wild got swatted up by Alice and the means
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try last night the key we looked lightly until Ye
switched on us after burners and smoked past Hayden, leaving
his hope of gold Well in flames. But he responded
to dour Hayden like the good human.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That he is.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I was just the pleased.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I was gone.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I was done and I had nothing left and I
just had to survive to get to the finish line.
As I said, it was actually really nice and Alex
and I finally got a battle that we both deserved.
There's no communities. Both of us finished and it was
just a clean fair race.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, stunning watch as well. The football Ferns also ran
out of steam during their scrap for the host France,
and Lilongo conceded that too much defense comes at the
experience of offense.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
We run our legs into the ground and unfortunately when
we get the ball we just can't keep it and
retainer and so then we work harder.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
So yeah, it was tough.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Attention of the ball is just so important in these games,
and I just think we didn't show enough quality in
that area. But to right, we worked hard and we
took the one of the best teams in the world pretty.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Close, and the Canadians qualified. Oh it stings. The Crusader's
coach remains as a man chinned After an in depth review,
The coach will return next season for Super Runky Pacific
twenty twenty five. CEO Colm Mansbridge talks about the fifty
three work ons.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
These fifty three other things that will work on will
be helpful.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
But it never felt fundamentally broken. But you know, I'd
be alive.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I said, I wasn't permanent and there were some gut
clinching moments and mystics.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Skipper Mikayla soclest beats and says that this Grand Final
week in the A and Z Premiership, they need no surprises,
no extras, just keep it steady.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
Earlier in the week be acknowledged and then as closer
it gets to game day, actually just not talking about it,
talking about what we would every other week, our processes, our.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Game plan, that's the game plan, and.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
That's sport today.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
We now have a Colin Man's Bridge on the program
and we're talking about the review that decided that well,
Rob Penny is not going anywhere. He's sticking on for
the twenty twenty five season. No comic will be made
around twenty six and beyond. It's all about next year.
Colin joins us now and good evening. Colin looked at
the review, I'm presuming put the season under a very
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serious microscope. It was it was a very important process.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
It was doc Yeah, I think as you know.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
We we got we do a review every year, so
that's that's not unusual to do a postseason review, and
we'll always talk to players, coaches, staff and get sort
of calibrate views across the whole place. This year, we
did a little bit of external stuff, as we sometimes
do historically, so we had Richard Youungen from who's done
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Olympic campaign reviews for New Zealand and Great Britain before,
and we went to GameLine as well, and both of
them came to a similar conclusion, which was that there's
lots of things you could do, but you are changing
a coach. Isn't going to be the isn't going to
be the answer.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
What premers is set up though for these two consultants,
what did you want to achieve? What did you tell
them to look at specifically or was it more of
a take a good look, what do you get?
Speaker 7 (06:46):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
That's definitely with Richard's done, he's done three Olympic campaign
reviews for Great Britain, he's done five with the New
Zealand Olympic team, he's done work with New Zealand rank
when he's.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Done cycling New Zealand reviews, And.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Basically it was we're doing a campaign review, we want
to understand what went well, what didn't go well, what
do we need to do And we weren't explicit asking
about the coach, but obviously you know coaching was part
of that.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Insight that we were looking for. So he spoke to
or he led a review with.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
All of the staff, front and back office coaches, management players,
and then we used game line to sort of externally
give us an external assessment of what should we have
done and how did we do based on their proprietary models,
and both came back and neither.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
Suggested that we should change the coach.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So what form did the review come back to you in?
Was there a series of suggestions could do better? You
failed at this, but you did good here? What did
you actually get back? What did you even have to
pick through with the board before he decided to retain rob.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So there was I think there was fifty three recommendations,
and some of them were smaller, some of them were bigger,
And that was a synthesis of probably, you know, many
many more conversations in fifty three, but the synthesis of
that was fifty three recommendations in terms of the game
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line stuff. It probably came back to almost giving us
a sense of where we could have been with the
roster that we had contracted versus where we ended up
being with the roster that we ended up having to
deal with throughout the year. And so there's fifty three
bits of work.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
For us to do basically. Now, none of them are.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Groundbreaking or major in of themselves, but you had the
fifty three together and we're confident that's going to make
a difference to our twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You said you're not going to tell everybody what they are.
Maybe you do it to the fans that on pain
of death, you're not going through because you can't let
the opposition know exactly what's going on. But like out
of those those fifty three, and many of them are
procedure also, there only need small adjustments. How's it been
taken by Rob and the coaches and the players? Some
of the major action items that you must address.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Well, I think that's the thing that there's something there
for everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
When you've got fifty three, there's obviously something for everyone.
And so there and some of it's you know, it's
not fifty three not very important things, but they're just
they're not fifty.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Three grenade type issues there.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
You know, they might be around communication, they might be
around process, they might be around lots of little things
like that.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
So and there is something for everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
There's something for the CEO, there's something for most people
in the organization, and so we'll work our way through those.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
And it's a little bit like doing a match review.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
You want your players at the end of each game
to sit down and think, Gee, what do I need
to do better?
Speaker 7 (09:59):
What do I need to keep doing, and what do
I need to stop doing?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And it's the same process we've got here, and I'm
confident that you put fifty three of them together and
you'll you'll get a great outcome.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
To Colin Mansbrid, CEO of Crusaders. So Rob Penny rantains
his job going in the twenty twenty five Super Rugby
specific season. Was there anything surprising to you, Colin that
really stood out?
Speaker 7 (10:24):
I think not really.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
There was probably such our in season work that we
did that talked about some of the things we could
get better at in season, almost reinforced strongly at the
end of the season. I think the preseason tour we
won't do one in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Just quietly yes, thank you, good move, well done. I
thought that when the Crusaders after the earthquake went to
the other side of the world, it cost them a
title because they'd run out of steam by the time
they got to Queensland. That's just a personal thing, Colin,
but thank you. You're not going back this year, brilliant,
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I think the thing to remember though is that ironically
there were a lot of lessons from that were really helpful.
So what you'll see is in some of the younger
athletes that toured with us a preseason this season will
probably end up great crusaders in time. I won't mention
an athlete who was in our academy system, came with
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us on tour, didn't feature in our roster of fifty
this year, but I think he learned a lot about
how to behave like a professional athlete, and in a
few years time, you know, he'll probably be getting fifty
or sixty games on his belt. But it also helped
us with connections from a professional development perspective, both for
athletes and coaches. But you're right that I think the
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disjoint that was evident, it was commented on frequently, meant
that the benefit didn't outweigh the consequence was redocting in
terms of titles. So I don't think that takes it
off the table and future.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
It just means if we do it that there's you know,
we have to do it much better. But that was one.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
There were nothing substantives that you would go, oh that
that was a real shock to me.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
But there are lots of little things.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
That you go, oh, yeah, actually that grinds my years,
and maybe we should have you know, as soon as
it grinds your year to deal with it.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Don't don't let it grind for too long.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
The fans, some of them will have to be calmed
down because I'm sure there's a group in the Crusader's
catchment area that going, hey, four winds in a year
isn't good enough. Someone's head has to roll. So what
do you say to the disgruntled fan base column?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Well, I think the first thing, Darsie is absolutely we
want them disgruntled, because if four winds and ten losses
was acceptable, that then you know that's not right.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
We play and our players play to represent. They represent
the Crusaders in the Crusaders region. That's that's who they
played for.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
So they are going to be extremely disappointed or sorry,
we all are extremely disappointed in four winds and ten losses.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
I think in terms of one of the reporters came back.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Report authors came back and said, just you've got to
keep context when you're making your decisions and be careful
about making a bad decision without context. So they reminded
us that in a competition where there were more fourteen
point plus results this year than there have been in
the competition for quite some time.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
Notwithstanding people saw.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
The competition is even, we lost half of those ten
by less than five points or five points or left
on points differential. We ended up about six, I think,
And when you look at the closing minute losses Chiefs
round one, Hurricanes round four, Warratahs round eight, Brumby's round thirteen,
you know those close.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Out moments that traditionally we would have we would have won.
If they were wins, we would.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Be having a different conversation now and people would be
more forgiving of the rebuild.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Now. We're not making excuses. We want to win those.
I think when you look at breadth, depth.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Of availability, and therefore the ability for the coaches to
put together consistent combinations we can weak out, that goes
some way to explaining that performance.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
So it's not an excuse. We are brutally real about
where we're at and where we.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Need to be but we're confident we do these fifty
three things and it'll be a different, different result next year.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
And you know, we're planning on winning a championship next year.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And finally, Colin Man's been CEO of the Crutaders. Thanks
very much for your time. How's Rob Penny taken.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
All of this?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Rob is if I think the way he handled himself
last year and the way to the world on his shoulders, internally,
you wouldn't have known.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
The way he conducted himself.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
And I think he's won the admiration of staff, players
and management alike about the way he conducted himself last year.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
You know, one high profile I was going to say,
you can't avoid that, and you know, and he's acknowledged that.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
But it's fair to say he's done a pretty good job.
He is so focused on the next legacy that it's
it's motivating to see. Actually, it's very very motivating to see,
very very very focused on the next legacy, very focused
on serving the playing group and the coaching group to
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make sure we get the best out of Beast, out
of this review and best out of what we've learnt
this year.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
The right call is your call on.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Sports Talk Call on your home of sports news Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Learn from your losses? Is that the way it rolls.
That was Colin Mansburg, CEO of Crusaders Rugby, who have
gone through an exhaustive review around what happened. Ten losses,
four winds, not qualifying for the finals, absolute wreckage and
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carnage within Red and Black Land, especially when you consider
the seven consecutive years of success. It really was a
rude awakening. It was a slap in the face of
the fans. It was a punch in the nose to
the fans. Most people thought, are your curtains, mate? The
Crusaders aren't going to put up with this. You're gone,
see you later.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
Then.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I'm thinking back to the Graham Henry situation after the
All Blacks fluffed their lines the World Cup for all money,
No would have thought he would have survived at all.
It was all about blood letting. It's all about making
an example of someone. It was all about saying we
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can blame you, so you're out. Makes it nice and easy,
which is what normally happens. Right, you blame the coach,
You guess the coach makes it nice and simple. It
was his Problem's gone now so they've gone through a
review and they've used a couple of independence in that
review and come up with a fifty three points to
work through and Rob stays and he stays for another year.
So I ask Crusaders fans out there, how do you
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or have you responded to this? Does a stick in
your craw? Can you see any logic in this at all?
Are you comfortable with this process?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty from outside of the Crusaders country,
people who couldn't care less about the red and black
black and we're probably dancing on the grave of the
Robertson regime. Does it matter to you either way? Do
you find this quite bizarre? I understand where they're coming from,
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and I think, as I mentioned before in the Graham
Henry situation, it is easy to knee jerk and blame
one person, very easy. There are mitigating circumstances and factors
the review would have worked through. I think it's pretty
brave to do this what the Crusaders have done. They've
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got a lot of eyes on them, not just in
the region, but across New Zealand and globally in rugby circles,
peering at what it's like after Robertson and how the
Crusaders react to something they are not used to. Wish
them the best. I'm a longtime Crusaders fan. I hope
it works well. But that's a brave move. It really is.
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Your thoughts yours please, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines are open. You're up next here on Sports
Talk at seven twenty five.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
No need for the DMO.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk calight hundred News Talk.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
The thing that I've gone it's non country Westerns twenty
eight minutes after seven. I'm surely we'll go to one
of our Olympic crew to give us an update on
what's happening. See single skulls over the next half an hour.
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Two Kiwi are involved in that. We'll keep it an
eye on Emma Twigger on Tom McIntosh too. Right, it's
get to the phones, Graham. I've got to give you
first shot on this one, being the self professed biggest
Crusaders fan there is.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
So what do you think I'm happy with it?
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (19:38):
I wasn't happy with the season, but I saw a
lot of improvement at the end. I can read between
the lines and with this review they sort of did
a double London. There was the chef's name I can't remember,
and the GameLine look outfit that you know, do a
lot of that type of stuff, high profit, you know,
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high performance sport. Yeah, I think I think there are
a lot of mitigating actors and they've in the mistakes.
You know you alluded to. A lot of people were
down on that trip to them when they went away.
I remember there was a lot of people saying oh
And at the time I thought, oh, well, no, it
could be a good idea. I was open minded about it.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But wait until the first five minutes of the fun
I mean, I know they've guessed, they've hated Wilder, they're all.
Speaker 9 (20:27):
Over Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, no, no, yeah, I
loved that race last night. If from the result, well
just just as you mention it. But yeah, no, I mean, yeah,
I think that that's the right thing to do. They
committed to those other coaches in terms of the future,
and they had a two year plan as I understand
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it was Rob Penny, and I believe they can turn
things around.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I mean, there's going to be a lot of I
don't want to make light of this but they couldn't
do any worse. There's no result. If it doesn't lift,
it doesn't get better. Most impossible. Can they go backwards?
And I'd like to think they won't either, But it
comes back to knee jerk or doing the Graham hem
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ma and going you know what, We've probably learned a
lot here, right, So there you go, hey Graham, We're
gonna fly. We have an update now from our Olympic posse.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
No news talk, said the Olympic Games News Update.
Speaker 10 (21:25):
The men's and women's double skulls and the women's and
men's Coclis COXUS four all have finals tonight Sat. The
rowing before that, single sculler's Emma Twig and Tom Macintosh
have their semi finals. Ryan Fox is just teed off
at the men's golf tournaments in the first round. Daniel
hilliget at the first tea at eight twenty two this evening.
It's effectively last chance to learn for the men's hockey
side against favorites Australia. From half past eight to the
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pool and Lewis Clairbird has the two hundred meter individual medley,
the four x two hundred meter freestyle women's relay team
and Tycho tordep ormsby Is in the fifty three. All
have their heats. This evening Judoka more A Costas and
action in the seventy eight kilometer a thirty eight kilometer
seventy eight kilogram women's class. Can you tell I've had
no sleep for about a week? And a further ahead,
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Fan Butcher in action in the K one canoe slalom semifinal.
From half past one, I'm Alligant Smith on News Talk
to he'd be official radio broadcast part of the Olympic Games,
Paris twenty twenty four. Watch New Zealand did is in
tonight's rolling finals at Sky Sports Paris five, Sky Channel
fifty seven. Darcy back to you.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I've said enough, that's okay because I missed the X
as well about half an hour. There's a story about
a slipped disc and I might later on on the
piece and it happens in two sday. Good on, yalla,
Thanks very much for that. Good luck trying to stay
awake for the next few hours. At seven thirty one,
as the sports talk ones are open and we're talking
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at Colin Mansbridge, him and the cruise said, you know what,
you're all right? You can stay around. Mister Penny, you
got another year good a goose, yeah.
Speaker 11 (22:55):
Good ell of a lot more complimentary than most Crusaders
fans would be. I think you kind of led into it,
but he didn't bite It. Sounds a lot like what
they've done is given a couple of outside organizations a
scope of work as far as reference goes that, there's
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give us some work on. But whatever you do, don't
mention Rob.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Penny because we live and die as a team, as
a unit, as one.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Right.
Speaker 11 (23:30):
As one. Okay now, but what we saw was the
worst Crusaders season in history. We have gone from deven
time repeat will repeat competition champions to the worst worst season,
and Crusaders have had. Kenny's got some Crusaders records that
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would only be matched by Foster's ones with the All Blacks,
and he the bloody could mate of the guy you
were talking to, so belong in this sort of It
is the only way Rob's kept his job because he's
Colin's made. What we should be questioning is how colin'st
his job.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
So you're questioning the integrity of the CEO, saying it's
just jobs for boys, and it does matter what happened.
They've they've covered this all up yet, And that's what
you're saying.
Speaker 11 (24:21):
Right, I'm not questioning it in the slightest. I'm stating
it specifically. And what we're talking about, like I say,
we've got now, we've got Colin in there. We've gone
from the best back room rugby official in Oh my god,
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hey mas react, and we've gone from him to Colin.
He's had the very fortunate Steve Hanson type scenario where
he's walked into the best side on the planet with
probably the most capable coach that New Zealand's ever produced,
and after seven years and it actually started to fall
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on him. He's picked probably one of the worst super
rugby coaches that there's ever been. Maybe Foster beat them rare,
but he's picked a terrible coach who's had a terrible
season and wrapped up some atrocious loss records that we
shouldn't even be considering. And they've come up with fifty
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three recommendations and not a single one of the reference
as a crap coach.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And Goose well, we don't know because he won't tell
us what the recommendations are. The work on So I
really applaud your passion and your concepts around that. Whether
there's any truth in it, I am not entirely sure.
The proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
But we don't sit down to dine until early next year.
Then we'll see it was the right call or not.
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Coming up next to the program, we're going to talk
to double Olympic gold medalist along with their sister, Everson
Dalton's quite something else. Georgie now called Georgie Earl, joins
us next here and still the B twenty five and
it's to eight. It's all about the rowing this evening
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in the Olympic Games. Look, there's some sailing as well,
to be fair, but judo, BMX all sorts of stuff.
Right now, we're focusing on the rowing. Now we're joined
by Georgina Eviswindell now Georgie Earl of course, along with
her sister, two gold medals back to back four Anthens
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eight in Beijing in the double skulls, and picked up
three world championship titles too. She joins us now, and
I expect George looking at the rowing and looking what's
going on, got to ask do you miss it?
Speaker 12 (26:49):
I think I miss that feeling when you see them,
when you see the cross cross the finish line and
win or qualify for the next round of racing. It's
been it's been awesome to watch it. I mean we
were even up watching the quad racers last night, which
the finals, which were incredible, so so yeah, I mean
it was I don't miss all the hard work that
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it took to get to that position, but I'm that
feeling when you win is pretty incredible.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Of course, it's really interesting with these two rowers because
they both have a silver medal. They both understand what
it means in the Olympic Games. Lucy comes from the eight,
a Brook comes from the double, so it's a combination
of two styles. It's working quite well. How difficult is
that when it comes to transferring from different boats, from
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different disciplines and different teams. Is that complex?
Speaker 6 (27:41):
I don't imagine for those girls.
Speaker 12 (27:42):
They've got a lot of experience in the sport now,
and they would have done a lot of sweep and
sculling for.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Obviously for New Zealand and also domestically at home.
Speaker 12 (27:53):
They'll be obviously you can see that they're perfectly capable
from switching from one and they would have had plenty
of time to.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Get the boat feeling good.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
So I'm sure, as I said, I'm sure that they're
because of how talented they are, they will they make
it look easy, don't they.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Well, what is I couldn't even set up right and
the thing it had fall over, No doubt about that
on that. So like that they're looking good, they've been
rowing particularly well. What about the pressure on the shoulders
of these athletes coming in. They've had success before, they
know what it takes to compete in the Olympic Games,
and you've had that situation backing up on gold. What's
(28:28):
your headspace like, what's your mindset like going into this?
How do you process this?
Speaker 7 (28:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (28:35):
I mean, obviously from my experience, both our Olympic regattas
were so different. And Ethens, Caroline and I went, and
I hate saying it, but I guess we were the
favorites after winning the two World champs leading up into Athens.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
We went in his favorites and there was.
Speaker 12 (28:50):
A lot of pressure and it's really hard to cope
with that mentally, and I think Caroline I will both
tell you that we only just scrape through that week
in Athens. Mentally, we had a heats race. It's a
bit different sort of schedule that they seem to be
racing this year in Paris, but we had one heats
race which we won, which took us straight through to
the final. And we were still really young, we were
twenty three or twenty four, and it was a really
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long week mentally with not much to do. And I
think back then we still thought that if we didn't
focus on the race, on our finals race the whole time,
even if we weren't at the lake practicing, if we're
back at the hope that the house we were staying
and then we would be letting ourselves down, which nearly
made us I think our heads.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Explode with sort of the pressure.
Speaker 12 (29:32):
And as I said, we only just made it through
that week, and when we did win in Athens, it
was relief more than happiness really, to be honest, and
we probably didn't celebrate that as much as we should
have because it was just a relief to have done
what the expectation that we had, that our coach had
and that maybe some of the New Zealand public had,
Whereas in Beijing we had learned a few more skills
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and I think we were able to switch on and off,
and I think that's what you need to be able
to do to handle those.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
Big regattas, which is exactly what the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Is experiential for you. You've gone through it, Nathan, so
you know how to adjust With Beijing. What about outside
assistance help because it's not just internal. What else did
you learn and from whom? How did you get to
that stage?
Speaker 12 (30:19):
We had lots of support from New Zealand rowing, and
I think sports psychology is a big part of it,
and it's how you cope in the top two inches,
which is what it comes down to, I think in sports.
So we did a lot of work between between Athens
and Beijing, and probably more so on the psychology side
of it than the you know, it was training hards easy,
(30:42):
Training hard's easy. It's trying to get your heat around
and we loved the training hard, but it's trying to
get your heat around those pressures at that level is
really tough. And as I said, it probably took us
the whole eight years that we rode in the double
to really get on top of it, and we only
were able to do that.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
At that last three gather in Beijing. So yeah, it's
just all part of sport.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I think interesting because you said you are while favorites
in two thousand and four because you'd picked up back
to back World champ gongs. You got another one straight
after the Olympics. Then there's a kind of a couple
of silver's a bronze. You didn't really hit two thousand
and eight with too much pressure on you.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Did you.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
No, No, not at all.
Speaker 12 (31:25):
And particularly the last regatta in Europe before Beijing, we
had a shaka and we failed. It was a world
cut Regada in Poland and we failed to make the
A final. We were beaten by crews that we didn't
even going to the Olympics. We pulled ourselves together and
raced the B final, which is you know, the top finals,
the top six, so we're in the B final.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
We won that.
Speaker 12 (31:45):
So we were ranked seventh at the last regatta before
the Beijing Olympic regatta. So we were at a pretty
low spot and it took a bit of work, probably
more so mentally than physically, to get our heads around
that and to even want to go up to Beijing
and compete. We didn't want to go there ranked well,
we didn't want to go there if that's all we
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were good for.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
We only wanted to go if we thought we'd be competitive.
Speaker 12 (32:09):
So it took a lot of work than those sort
of last six weeks before the Olympics to get their
head around it and to get our boat moving fast again.
But definitely no pressure, Absolutely no pressure leading up to
no expectations, expectations from ourselves that we wanted to prove
to ourselves that we were better than that regatta in Poland.
So a lot of a lot of high expectations from ourselves,
but definitely no pressure from the New Zealand public or
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probably from our family.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Well we've got Georgina h. We have huge expectation on
our athletes, on our Olympians, and especially on the rowers.
It gets heaked on because of the ridiculous, the outrageous
success that sport has had for New Zealand. So you
won't be able to answer this, and if you can,
I love you. But what is it about New Zealand
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and rowing? How does it work so well for us?
Speaker 12 (32:57):
I think they've created this brilliant training. Well that's what
I felt like when we were involved in the sport.
As I said, we've been out for a long time,
But I felt like when we rode, the coaches were
in New Zealand, the call Richard Tonks, the coaches and
then the athletes just created this really awesome training environment
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at Carapiro and it was so competitive and every weekend
we'd be trying to beat each other on prognostic times
and it just got really competitive and people learnt well.
We learned that we had to train hard in order
to have success, and then we'd come back home again
and try and train even harder because we wanted that
feeling again of winning and that success the following year.
(33:38):
So I just remember when we were involved in the sport,
there was a brilliant team environment up at Carapiro and
it was super competitive. And after we'd had a couple
of years success, then some other team, you know, members
of the team and the squad.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
Started having success too.
Speaker 12 (33:55):
And we always had these you know, to be able
to come back from that failure in Poland and train
before Beijing, we got to come back and train alongside
and compare our times to Mahi Dreisdale. So we always
had these amazing athletes to race and train against, and
for me, I think that's what created the success of
the cruise when we're involved.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
As I said, I haven't been up to care for
your all a long time. But they've done so well
and continue to do so well.
Speaker 12 (34:23):
And you can see how much it means to them
when you see them excited with their results so far
in their heats and quarters or seems that Hoovers had
seems and so it's awesome to watch and I just
think they're amazing and.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I'm with you on that one. And Georgie Earln, Georgina Everswindle,
thanks so much for your time and for picking up
the phone. Enjoy the rest of the Olympics.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Huh, thank you forget the refs call.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
You make a call.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Sports Talk on your home of sport News Talks.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Now, pick up a remote, Georgie of Oz, you and
I take a look at this. It is only a
semi final. It's a semi final of the women's singles skulls. Moment,
New Zealand in a twig is leading. Is eighty two
meters to go. Let's make that seventy two meters to go,
and it looks like Emma, the reigning Olympic champion, is
(35:21):
going to do this with some ease. I'll just stretch
my wood out until she got the line and the ego.
She's one and comfortably one at two. Of course, we've
still got a bloke to get in there and have
a crack as well. We'll follow Tom McIntosh. I didn't
do anything I want to say. We'll follow Macintosh. I
(35:44):
mean Marcus last probably. Well, hey, we're going to be
joined up next by Michael Burgess out of Paris's we
take a week. Look at what happens tonight and over
tomorrow morning at the Paris Olympics.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Where again is your truck reach.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Together?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Coolsty?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Have we still following someone?
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Shine with you and al together all the time.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
It's quite personal. It wasn't really referencing you, but it's
lovely to have you on board. Nutes to eight sounds
like Michael Burgess went for a dip in the scene.
We may never hear from him again. Oh well, there
you go. It's been great having him on board. Coming
up tonight. Just in case you need to make a
(36:42):
lick a list because you're going to spend it all
evening in front of the television, let me know. I'll
let you know what's going on. Obviously, Twigger has just
got through in the single skull for women, there's a
semi final. Macintosh is about to get under way. I
believe he may be going now. I can't tell, but
that's on the TV. I'll let you know in a second.
(37:03):
Then we've got the double skull for women eighteen Francis
and Spores looking to win another medal race. Hard on
the heels of that race is nine thirtieth Robbie Manson
and Jordan Parry in the men's double skull. Lewis Claiberg
gets in the drink as well. Two hundred meter individual
medley for men. That's the second heat and then back
(37:26):
to medal contention. Coxless four for women. Gallaspores, Waddy and
Williams are looking to do the do there and then
do the d there. Then up after ten past ten McClain, Olrich,
Murray and McDonald is the coxless four for men, so
four medal opportunities in the rowing. That'll be done on
(37:50):
dusted at around about ten twenty this evening, we've got
some sailing and some swimming. Four times to hundred med
of freestyle relay for women. There's a heat for that
for keys of there, Thomas Transon fairweather and Deans. There's
also sailing, and there's a there is a chance in
the sailing, and it's not till later on in the evening.
(38:11):
In fact, I think it's early tomorrow morning that the
max get busy. Yet it's caullitter to one in the morning.
Isaac mac that's Isaac McCarty and William mackenzie in the
men's forty nine up to medal race. There coumpty sitting
in third, but they have a good chance of meddling
in that regatta. So that's in the wee smalls. We've
(38:32):
got a bit of kayak and canoeing going on within,
Butcher Greta Piltington is in her one person dinghy. The
forty nine FX is for women. There's a medal race,
but La and Metscha quite a distance out the back,
so they won't be meddling, but they'll be competing anyway.
The final of the four by ton of meter Freestyle
(38:53):
Relay for women that is on at eight o'clock tomorrow morning.
So how the ladies go earlier in the peace, we'll
find out if they get to that final, if they
can do anything amazing. Beaman and Walker are in BMX racing.
There's possibly there have been a last chance qualifying tomorrow
morning two. And have I missed anything out? No, I
(39:16):
don't think I have. I missed John Armott in the
sailing for foil. You know'll watch those foils. That's really
good sport. They are so rapid. It's extraordinary, the up
and go that those things get. It's just amazing. Just
really enjoying watching that when I can. Right now we're
going to go back up to we've got seven hundred
(39:39):
and fifty odd meters to go for the semi final
for the single skulls. The Kiwi Macintosh is only four
meters out of the lead now up behind the Dutch
entry and he's just managed to overhaul the Belgium entry.
Also Uruguay, Japan, Lithuania are involved there, so a while
(40:01):
to go. Good six hundred odd meters and all things
going well and good and we can chop that through
before we get off on the program. Again, this is
not a metal race, this is a qualifying race Semifinal
A and B. And we've found Michael Burgess. So Michael Burgess,
good morning. That dip you took that swim in the Seine.
(40:23):
It didn't kill you after all, welcome to the show. Yeah,
well it maybe not have killed you, but it's killed
your telephone. No, yep, no, we're going to have to
abandon that because the phone line is it's a little
third world over in France, which I wouldn't have found
(40:44):
myself saying, but so be it. I've got a couple
of texts and as well, she sounds very mature, Georgina.
Did Georgina e a Swindel?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Now?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Earl great to hear from her? Indeed it was and
someone else celebrating Goose's call. I get the Goose has
got a huge amount of passion. He loves the team.
But it's a real stretch saying that the CEO is
the only reason that Rob Penny is still there. They
might be more to it. I just don't think you
(41:16):
can be you can hide that much in that role.
I think there's too much at stake. And I will
go back to what I was saying before about Graham Henry.
He got the job again, and it works. It only
worked with the skin of their teeth, but it still worked.
And we look at what happened over the year, and
(41:38):
they got fifty three things to try and tweak. So
a percentile here and a percentile there, does that mean
the Crusaders actually step up again? But I think the
Crusaders fans it's not a matter of getting into the
finals next year. It's a matter of getting into the
final next year and anything short of that will be
(41:59):
seen as a failure at a pressure on Rob Penny
and on Colin Mansbridge and on the players. So hope
they can turn some of those close losses to victories
and don't lose half their players to unfortunate injuries throughout
the season as well. I'm not going to get to
the end of the race now, am I Still the
(42:22):
Netherlands are still leading? No, they have the go live
coverage on gold Sport. But New Zealand has finished second
in that semi final of the single skull for men.
Great news, I'm not asking what to go Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
You like good evening, Welcome to sports Talk Great deby
on board seven up to seven it is. It's a
Thursday night, August one, twenty twenty four, counting down the
month till spring. Yes, coming up on the program tonight.
Toward the end of the show, we're going to shoot
off to Paris, says we do habitually. Michael Bridge just
(00:54):
joins us multi media scribe out of n z ME,
particularly with the Herald, will take a look forward at
the action of an evening, which of course there is
plenty of. Georgie Earl joins us later on the piece,
and for those of you who don't know, Georgie Earl
used to be Georgina everswind Out. I think you know
(01:16):
how I'm talking about now half of the twins that
were the most sensational doubles pairing back to back gold medals.
She joins us to talk about the pressure, the build
up and what kind of microscope these rowers are under,
how they can transfer from disciplines, from boat to boat,
and how that actually operates. Because, of course this evening
(01:38):
a number of finals in the rowing Francis and Spores.
I've got the double skull that's at nine eighteen. Manson
and Parry have got the double skull for men that
is at nine thirty, the women's cocklus four that gets
going at ten to ten, and the men's cocklus four
at Coxliss four. You're always going to say that when
(01:59):
he goes at ten past ten. And of course there
are two other rowers they are involved with a single
skull and women it's Twig and Macintosh their semi finals
seven thirty and seven point fifty. We'll keep you up
to date with those as well. But our main guest
of an evening it's not Olympics, but we can just
(02:19):
breathe for a while and look at rugby union. Colin
Mansbridge joins us shortly as we take a look at
the review, that is decided that Rob Penny will carry
on being the coach of that Super Rugby Pacific franchise
throughout next season. Much conjecture over whether he would last
or not after the let's say it appalling results of
(02:43):
the Crusaders over twenty twenty four, Willie Canny survive what
it did and we'll find out why when Colin Mansbridge
joins us next and then after that, I'd like to
hear from Super Rugby fans. Are they agog at what
happened here? Is this a stunning decision, odd decision? Or
is this a very sensible decision from the Crusaders. I'm
(03:05):
sure there's people outside of the Crusaders franchise that we
don't care. They lost. That's all we care about. Doesn't
matter the Witch's dad ding dong the Witches did. It
might change next year, it might not because Robert Penny
is back right, That's already come before any of that, though,
Let's do this sport today, and in sport today. Is
Hayden Wild got swatted up by Alice and the means
(03:27):
try last night the key we looked lightly until Ye
switched on us after burners and smoked past Hayden, leaving
his hope of gold Well in flames. But he responded
to dour Hayden like the good human.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That he is.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I was just the pleased.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I was gone.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I was done and I had nothing left and I
just had to survive to get to the finish line.
As I said, it was actually really nice and Alex
and I finally got a battle that we both deserved.
There's no communities. Both of us finished and it was
just a clean fair race.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, stunning watch as well. The football Ferns also ran
out of steam during their scrap for the host France,
and Lilongo conceded that too much defense comes at the
experience of offense.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
We run our legs into the ground and unfortunately when
we get the ball we just can't keep it and
retainer and so then we work harder.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
So yeah, it was tough.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Attention of the ball is just so important in these games,
and I just think we didn't show enough quality in
that area. But to right, we worked hard and we
took the one of the best teams in the world pretty.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Close, and the Canadians qualified. Oh it stings. The Crusader's
coach remains as a man chinned After an in depth review,
The coach will return next season for Super Runky Pacific
twenty twenty five. CEO Colm Mansbridge talks about the fifty
three work ons.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
These fifty three other things that will work on will
be helpful.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
But it never felt fundamentally broken. But you know, I'd
be alive.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I said, I wasn't permanent and there were some gut
clinching moments and mystics.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Skipper Mikayla soclest beats and says that this Grand Final
week in the A and Z Premiership, they need no surprises,
no extras, just keep it steady.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
Earlier in the week be acknowledged and then as closer
it gets to game day, actually just not talking about it,
talking about what we would every other week, our processes, our.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Game plan, that's the game plan, and.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
That's sport today.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
We now have a Colin Man's Bridge on the program
and we're talking about the review that decided that well,
Rob Penny is not going anywhere. He's sticking on for
the twenty twenty five season. No comic will be made
around twenty six and beyond. It's all about next year.
Colin joins us now and good evening. Colin looked at
the review, I'm presuming put the season under a very
(05:46):
serious microscope. It was it was a very important process.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
It was doc Yeah, I think as you know.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
We we got we do a review every year, so
that's that's not unusual to do a postseason review, and
we'll always talk to players, coaches, staff and get sort
of calibrate views across the whole place. This year, we
did a little bit of external stuff, as we sometimes
do historically, so we had Richard Youungen from who's done
(06:18):
Olympic campaign reviews for New Zealand and Great Britain before,
and we went to GameLine as well, and both of
them came to a similar conclusion, which was that there's
lots of things you could do, but you are changing
a coach. Isn't going to be the isn't going to
be the answer.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
What premers is set up though for these two consultants,
what did you want to achieve? What did you tell
them to look at specifically or was it more of
a take a good look, what do you get?
Speaker 7 (06:46):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
That's definitely with Richard's done, he's done three Olympic campaign
reviews for Great Britain, he's done five with the New
Zealand Olympic team, he's done work with New Zealand rank
when he's.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Done cycling New Zealand reviews, And.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Basically it was we're doing a campaign review, we want
to understand what went well, what didn't go well, what
do we need to do And we weren't explicit asking
about the coach, but obviously you know coaching was part
of that.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Insight that we were looking for. So he spoke to
or he led a review with.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
All of the staff, front and back office coaches, management players,
and then we used game line to sort of externally
give us an external assessment of what should we have
done and how did we do based on their proprietary models,
and both came back and neither.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
Suggested that we should change the coach.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So what form did the review come back to you in?
Was there a series of suggestions could do better? You
failed at this, but you did good here? What did
you actually get back? What did you even have to
pick through with the board before he decided to retain rob.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So there was I think there was fifty three recommendations,
and some of them were smaller, some of them were bigger,
And that was a synthesis of probably, you know, many
many more conversations in fifty three, but the synthesis of
that was fifty three recommendations in terms of the game
(08:23):
line stuff. It probably came back to almost giving us
a sense of where we could have been with the
roster that we had contracted versus where we ended up
being with the roster that we ended up having to
deal with throughout the year. And so there's fifty three
bits of work.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
For us to do basically. Now, none of them are.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Groundbreaking or major in of themselves, but you had the
fifty three together and we're confident that's going to make
a difference to our twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You said you're not going to tell everybody what they are.
Maybe you do it to the fans that on pain
of death, you're not going through because you can't let
the opposition know exactly what's going on. But like out
of those those fifty three, and many of them are
procedure also, there only need small adjustments. How's it been
taken by Rob and the coaches and the players? Some
of the major action items that you must address.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Well, I think that's the thing that there's something there
for everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
When you've got fifty three, there's obviously something for everyone.
And so there and some of it's you know, it's
not fifty three not very important things, but they're just
they're not fifty.
Speaker 7 (09:32):
Three grenade type issues there.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
You know, they might be around communication, they might be
around process, they might be around lots of little things
like that.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
So and there is something for everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
There's something for the CEO, there's something for most people
in the organization, and so we'll work our way through those.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
And it's a little bit like doing a match review.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
You want your players at the end of each game
to sit down and think, Gee, what do I need
to do better?
Speaker 7 (09:59):
What do I need to keep doing, and what do
I need to stop doing?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
And it's the same process we've got here, and I'm
confident that you put fifty three of them together and
you'll you'll get a great outcome.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
To Colin Mansbrid, CEO of Crusaders. So Rob Penny rantains
his job going in the twenty twenty five Super Rugby
specific season. Was there anything surprising to you, Colin that
really stood out?
Speaker 7 (10:24):
I think not really.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
There was probably such our in season work that we
did that talked about some of the things we could
get better at in season, almost reinforced strongly at the
end of the season. I think the preseason tour we
won't do one in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Just quietly yes, thank you, good move, well done. I
thought that when the Crusaders after the earthquake went to
the other side of the world, it cost them a
title because they'd run out of steam by the time
they got to Queensland. That's just a personal thing, Colin,
but thank you. You're not going back this year, brilliant,
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I think the thing to remember though is that ironically
there were a lot of lessons from that were really helpful.
So what you'll see is in some of the younger
athletes that toured with us a preseason this season will
probably end up great crusaders in time. I won't mention
an athlete who was in our academy system, came with
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us on tour, didn't feature in our roster of fifty
this year, but I think he learned a lot about
how to behave like a professional athlete, and in a
few years time, you know, he'll probably be getting fifty
or sixty games on his belt. But it also helped
us with connections from a professional development perspective, both for
athletes and coaches. But you're right that I think the
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disjoint that was evident, it was commented on frequently, meant
that the benefit didn't outweigh the consequence was redocting in
terms of titles. So I don't think that takes it
off the table and future.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
It just means if we do it that there's you know,
we have to do it much better. But that was one.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
There were nothing substantives that you would go, oh that
that was a real shock to me.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
But there are lots of little things.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
That you go, oh, yeah, actually that grinds my years,
and maybe we should have you know, as soon as
it grinds your year to deal with it.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Don't don't let it grind for too long.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
The fans, some of them will have to be calmed
down because I'm sure there's a group in the Crusader's
catchment area that going, hey, four winds in a year
isn't good enough. Someone's head has to roll. So what
do you say to the disgruntled fan base column?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Well, I think the first thing, Darsie is absolutely we
want them disgruntled, because if four winds and ten losses
was acceptable, that then you know that's not right.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
We play and our players play to represent. They represent
the Crusaders in the Crusaders region. That's that's who they
played for.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
So they are going to be extremely disappointed or sorry,
we all are extremely disappointed in four winds and ten losses.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
I think in terms of one of the reporters came back.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Report authors came back and said, just you've got to
keep context when you're making your decisions and be careful
about making a bad decision without context. So they reminded
us that in a competition where there were more fourteen
point plus results this year than there have been in
the competition for quite some time.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
Notwithstanding people saw.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
The competition is even, we lost half of those ten
by less than five points or five points or left
on points differential. We ended up about six, I think,
And when you look at the closing minute losses Chiefs
round one, Hurricanes round four, Warratahs round eight, Brumby's round thirteen,
you know those close.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Out moments that traditionally we would have we would have won.
If they were wins, we would.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Be having a different conversation now and people would be
more forgiving of the rebuild.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Now. We're not making excuses. We want to win those.
I think when you look at breadth, depth.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Of availability, and therefore the ability for the coaches to
put together consistent combinations we can weak out, that goes
some way to explaining that performance.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
So it's not an excuse. We are brutally real about
where we're at and where we.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Need to be but we're confident we do these fifty
three things and it'll be a different, different result next year.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
And you know, we're planning on winning a championship next year.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And finally, Colin Man's been CEO of the Crutaders. Thanks
very much for your time. How's Rob Penny taken.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
All of this?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Rob is if I think the way he handled himself
last year and the way to the world on his shoulders, internally,
you wouldn't have known.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
The way he conducted himself.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
And I think he's won the admiration of staff, players
and management alike about the way he conducted himself last year.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
You know, one high profile I was going to say,
you can't avoid that, and you know, and he's acknowledged that.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
But it's fair to say he's done a pretty good job.
He is so focused on the next legacy that it's
it's motivating to see. Actually, it's very very motivating to see,
very very very focused on the next legacy, very focused
on serving the playing group and the coaching group to
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make sure we get the best out of Beast, out
of this review and best out of what we've learnt
this year.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
The right call is your call on.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Sports Talk Call on your home of sports news Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Learn from your losses? Is that the way it rolls.
That was Colin Mansburg, CEO of Crusaders Rugby, who have
gone through an exhaustive review around what happened. Ten losses,
four winds, not qualifying for the finals, absolute wreckage and
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carnage within Red and Black Land, especially when you consider
the seven consecutive years of success. It really was a
rude awakening. It was a slap in the face of
the fans. It was a punch in the nose to
the fans. Most people thought, are your curtains, mate? The
Crusaders aren't going to put up with this. You're gone,
see you later.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
Then.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I'm thinking back to the Graham Henry situation after the
All Blacks fluffed their lines the World Cup for all money,
No would have thought he would have survived at all.
It was all about blood letting. It's all about making
an example of someone. It was all about saying we
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can blame you, so you're out. Makes it nice and easy,
which is what normally happens. Right, you blame the coach,
You guess the coach makes it nice and simple. It
was his Problem's gone now so they've gone through a
review and they've used a couple of independence in that
review and come up with a fifty three points to
work through and Rob stays and he stays for another year.
So I ask Crusaders fans out there, how do you
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or have you responded to this? Does a stick in
your craw? Can you see any logic in this at all?
Are you comfortable with this process?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty from outside of the Crusaders country,
people who couldn't care less about the red and black
black and we're probably dancing on the grave of the
Robertson regime. Does it matter to you either way? Do
you find this quite bizarre? I understand where they're coming from,
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and I think, as I mentioned before in the Graham
Henry situation, it is easy to knee jerk and blame
one person, very easy. There are mitigating circumstances and factors
the review would have worked through. I think it's pretty
brave to do this what the Crusaders have done. They've
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got a lot of eyes on them, not just in
the region, but across New Zealand and globally in rugby circles,
peering at what it's like after Robertson and how the
Crusaders react to something they are not used to. Wish
them the best. I'm a longtime Crusaders fan. I hope
it works well. But that's a brave move. It really is.
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Your thoughts yours please, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines are open. You're up next here on Sports
Talk at seven twenty five.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
No need for the DMO.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk calight hundred News Talk.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
The thing that I've gone it's non country Westerns twenty
eight minutes after seven. I'm surely we'll go to one
of our Olympic crew to give us an update on
what's happening. See single skulls over the next half an hour.
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Two Kiwi are involved in that. We'll keep it an
eye on Emma Twigger on Tom McIntosh too. Right, it's
get to the phones, Graham. I've got to give you
first shot on this one, being the self professed biggest
Crusaders fan there is.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
So what do you think I'm happy with it?
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (19:38):
I wasn't happy with the season, but I saw a
lot of improvement at the end. I can read between
the lines and with this review they sort of did
a double London. There was the chef's name I can't remember,
and the GameLine look outfit that you know, do a
lot of that type of stuff, high profit, you know,
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high performance sport. Yeah, I think I think there are
a lot of mitigating actors and they've in the mistakes.
You know you alluded to. A lot of people were
down on that trip to them when they went away.
I remember there was a lot of people saying oh
And at the time I thought, oh, well, no, it
could be a good idea. I was open minded about it.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But wait until the first five minutes of the fun
I mean, I know they've guessed, they've hated Wilder, they're all.
Speaker 9 (20:27):
Over Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, no, no, yeah, I
loved that race last night. If from the result, well
just just as you mention it. But yeah, no, I mean, yeah,
I think that that's the right thing to do. They
committed to those other coaches in terms of the future,
and they had a two year plan as I understand
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it was Rob Penny, and I believe they can turn
things around.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I mean, there's going to be a lot of I
don't want to make light of this but they couldn't
do any worse. There's no result. If it doesn't lift,
it doesn't get better. Most impossible. Can they go backwards?
And I'd like to think they won't either, But it
comes back to knee jerk or doing the Graham hem
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ma and going you know what, We've probably learned a
lot here, right, So there you go, hey Graham, We're
gonna fly. We have an update now from our Olympic posse.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
No news talk, said the Olympic Games News Update.
Speaker 10 (21:25):
The men's and women's double skulls and the women's and
men's Coclis COXUS four all have finals tonight Sat. The
rowing before that, single sculler's Emma Twig and Tom Macintosh
have their semi finals. Ryan Fox is just teed off
at the men's golf tournaments in the first round. Daniel
hilliget at the first tea at eight twenty two this evening.
It's effectively last chance to learn for the men's hockey
side against favorites Australia. From half past eight to the
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pool and Lewis Clairbird has the two hundred meter individual medley,
the four x two hundred meter freestyle women's relay team
and Tycho tordep ormsby Is in the fifty three. All
have their heats. This evening Judoka more A Costas and
action in the seventy eight kilometer a thirty eight kilometer
seventy eight kilogram women's class. Can you tell I've had
no sleep for about a week? And a further ahead,
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Fan Butcher in action in the K one canoe slalom semifinal.
From half past one, I'm Alligant Smith on News Talk
to he'd be official radio broadcast part of the Olympic Games,
Paris twenty twenty four. Watch New Zealand did is in
tonight's rolling finals at Sky Sports Paris five, Sky Channel
fifty seven. Darcy back to you.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I've said enough, that's okay because I missed the X
as well about half an hour. There's a story about
a slipped disc and I might later on on the
piece and it happens in two sday. Good on, yalla,
Thanks very much for that. Good luck trying to stay
awake for the next few hours. At seven thirty one,
as the sports talk ones are open and we're talking
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at Colin Mansbridge, him and the cruise said, you know what,
you're all right? You can stay around. Mister Penny, you
got another year good a goose, yeah.
Speaker 11 (22:55):
Good ell of a lot more complimentary than most Crusaders
fans would be. I think you kind of led into it,
but he didn't bite It. Sounds a lot like what
they've done is given a couple of outside organizations a
scope of work as far as reference goes that, there's
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give us some work on. But whatever you do, don't
mention Rob.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Penny because we live and die as a team, as
a unit, as one.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Right.
Speaker 11 (23:30):
As one. Okay now, but what we saw was the
worst Crusaders season in history. We have gone from deven
time repeat will repeat competition champions to the worst worst season,
and Crusaders have had. Kenny's got some Crusaders records that
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would only be matched by Foster's ones with the All Blacks,
and he the bloody could mate of the guy you
were talking to, so belong in this sort of It
is the only way Rob's kept his job because he's
Colin's made. What we should be questioning is how colin'st
his job.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
So you're questioning the integrity of the CEO, saying it's
just jobs for boys, and it does matter what happened.
They've they've covered this all up yet, And that's what
you're saying.
Speaker 11 (24:21):
Right, I'm not questioning it in the slightest. I'm stating
it specifically. And what we're talking about, like I say,
we've got now, we've got Colin in there. We've gone
from the best back room rugby official in Oh my god,
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hey mas react, and we've gone from him to Colin.
He's had the very fortunate Steve Hanson type scenario where
he's walked into the best side on the planet with
probably the most capable coach that New Zealand's ever produced,
and after seven years and it actually started to fall
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on him. He's picked probably one of the worst super
rugby coaches that there's ever been. Maybe Foster beat them rare,
but he's picked a terrible coach who's had a terrible
season and wrapped up some atrocious loss records that we
shouldn't even be considering. And they've come up with fifty
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three recommendations and not a single one of the reference
as a crap coach.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And Goose well, we don't know because he won't tell
us what the recommendations are. The work on So I
really applaud your passion and your concepts around that. Whether
there's any truth in it, I am not entirely sure.
The proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
But we don't sit down to dine until early next year.
Then we'll see it was the right call or not.
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Coming up next to the program, we're going to talk
to double Olympic gold medalist along with their sister, Everson
Dalton's quite something else. Georgie now called Georgie Earl, joins
us next here and still the B twenty five and
it's to eight. It's all about the rowing this evening
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in the Olympic Games. Look, there's some sailing as well,
to be fair, but judo, BMX all sorts of stuff.
Right now, we're focusing on the rowing. Now we're joined
by Georgina Eviswindell now Georgie Earl of course, along with
her sister, two gold medals back to back four Anthens
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eight in Beijing in the double skulls, and picked up
three world championship titles too. She joins us now, and
I expect George looking at the rowing and looking what's
going on, got to ask do you miss it?
Speaker 12 (26:49):
I think I miss that feeling when you see them,
when you see the cross cross the finish line and
win or qualify for the next round of racing. It's
been it's been awesome to watch it. I mean we
were even up watching the quad racers last night, which
the finals, which were incredible, so so yeah, I mean
it was I don't miss all the hard work that
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it took to get to that position, but I'm that
feeling when you win is pretty incredible.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Of course, it's really interesting with these two rowers because
they both have a silver medal. They both understand what
it means in the Olympic Games. Lucy comes from the eight,
a Brook comes from the double, so it's a combination
of two styles. It's working quite well. How difficult is
that when it comes to transferring from different boats, from
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different disciplines and different teams. Is that complex?
Speaker 6 (27:41):
I don't imagine for those girls.
Speaker 12 (27:42):
They've got a lot of experience in the sport now,
and they would have done a lot of sweep and
sculling for.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Obviously for New Zealand and also domestically at home.
Speaker 12 (27:53):
They'll be obviously you can see that they're perfectly capable
from switching from one and they would have had plenty
of time to.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Get the boat feeling good.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
So I'm sure, as I said, I'm sure that they're
because of how talented they are, they will they make
it look easy, don't they.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Well, what is I couldn't even set up right and
the thing it had fall over, No doubt about that
on that. So like that they're looking good, they've been
rowing particularly well. What about the pressure on the shoulders
of these athletes coming in. They've had success before, they
know what it takes to compete in the Olympic Games,
and you've had that situation backing up on gold. What's
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your headspace like, what's your mindset like going into this?
How do you process this?
Speaker 7 (28:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (28:35):
I mean, obviously from my experience, both our Olympic regattas
were so different. And Ethens, Caroline and I went, and
I hate saying it, but I guess we were the
favorites after winning the two World champs leading up into Athens.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
We went in his favorites and there was.
Speaker 12 (28:50):
A lot of pressure and it's really hard to cope
with that mentally, and I think Caroline I will both
tell you that we only just scrape through that week
in Athens. Mentally, we had a heats race. It's a
bit different sort of schedule that they seem to be
racing this year in Paris, but we had one heats
race which we won, which took us straight through to
the final. And we were still really young, we were
twenty three or twenty four, and it was a really
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long week mentally with not much to do. And I
think back then we still thought that if we didn't
focus on the race, on our finals race the whole time,
even if we weren't at the lake practicing, if we're
back at the hope that the house we were staying
and then we would be letting ourselves down, which nearly
made us I think our heads.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
Explode with sort of the pressure.
Speaker 12 (29:32):
And as I said, we only just made it through
that week, and when we did win in Athens, it
was relief more than happiness really, to be honest, and
we probably didn't celebrate that as much as we should
have because it was just a relief to have done
what the expectation that we had, that our coach had
and that maybe some of the New Zealand public had,
Whereas in Beijing we had learned a few more skills
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and I think we were able to switch on and off,
and I think that's what you need to be able
to do to handle those.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
Big regattas, which is exactly what the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Is experiential for you. You've gone through it, Nathan, so
you know how to adjust With Beijing. What about outside
assistance help because it's not just internal. What else did
you learn and from whom? How did you get to
that stage?
Speaker 12 (30:19):
We had lots of support from New Zealand rowing, and
I think sports psychology is a big part of it,
and it's how you cope in the top two inches,
which is what it comes down to, I think in sports.
So we did a lot of work between between Athens
and Beijing, and probably more so on the psychology side
of it than the you know, it was training hards easy,
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Training hard's easy. It's trying to get your heat around
and we loved the training hard, but it's trying to
get your heat around those pressures at that level is
really tough. And as I said, it probably took us
the whole eight years that we rode in the double
to really get on top of it, and we only
were able to do that.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
At that last three gather in Beijing. So yeah, it's
just all part of sport.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I think interesting because you said you are while favorites
in two thousand and four because you'd picked up back
to back World champ gongs. You got another one straight
after the Olympics. Then there's a kind of a couple
of silver's a bronze. You didn't really hit two thousand
and eight with too much pressure on you.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Did you.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
No, No, not at all.
Speaker 12 (31:25):
And particularly the last regatta in Europe before Beijing, we
had a shaka and we failed. It was a world
cut Regada in Poland and we failed to make the
A final. We were beaten by crews that we didn't
even going to the Olympics. We pulled ourselves together and
raced the B final, which is you know, the top finals,
the top six, so we're in the B final.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
We won that.
Speaker 12 (31:45):
So we were ranked seventh at the last regatta before
the Beijing Olympic regatta. So we were at a pretty
low spot and it took a bit of work, probably
more so mentally than physically, to get our heads around
that and to even want to go up to Beijing
and compete. We didn't want to go there ranked well,
we didn't want to go there if that's all we
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were good for.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
We only wanted to go if we thought we'd be competitive.
Speaker 12 (32:09):
So it took a lot of work than those sort
of last six weeks before the Olympics to get their
head around it and to get our boat moving fast again.
But definitely no pressure, Absolutely no pressure leading up to
no expectations, expectations from ourselves that we wanted to prove
to ourselves that we were better than that regatta in Poland.
So a lot of a lot of high expectations from ourselves,
but definitely no pressure from the New Zealand public or
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probably from our family.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Well we've got Georgina h. We have huge expectation on
our athletes, on our Olympians, and especially on the rowers.
It gets heaked on because of the ridiculous, the outrageous
success that sport has had for New Zealand. So you
won't be able to answer this, and if you can,
I love you. But what is it about New Zealand
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and rowing? How does it work so well for us?
Speaker 12 (32:57):
I think they've created this brilliant training. Well that's what
I felt like when we were involved in the sport.
As I said, we've been out for a long time,
But I felt like when we rode, the coaches were
in New Zealand, the call Richard Tonks, the coaches and
then the athletes just created this really awesome training environment
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at Carapiro and it was so competitive and every weekend
we'd be trying to beat each other on prognostic times
and it just got really competitive and people learnt well.
We learned that we had to train hard in order
to have success, and then we'd come back home again
and try and train even harder because we wanted that
feeling again of winning and that success the following year.
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So I just remember when we were involved in the sport,
there was a brilliant team environment up at Carapiro and
it was super competitive. And after we'd had a couple
of years success, then some other team, you know, members
of the team and the squad.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
Started having success too.
Speaker 12 (33:55):
And we always had these you know, to be able
to come back from that failure in Poland and train
before Beijing, we got to come back and train alongside
and compare our times to Mahi Dreisdale. So we always
had these amazing athletes to race and train against, and
for me, I think that's what created the success of
the cruise when we're involved.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
As I said, I haven't been up to care for
your all a long time. But they've done so well
and continue to do so well.
Speaker 12 (34:23):
And you can see how much it means to them
when you see them excited with their results so far
in their heats and quarters or seems that Hoovers had
seems and so it's awesome to watch and I just
think they're amazing and.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I'm with you on that one. And Georgie Earln, Georgina Everswindle,
thanks so much for your time and for picking up
the phone. Enjoy the rest of the Olympics.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Huh, thank you forget the refs call.
Speaker 7 (34:49):
You make a call.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Sports Talk on your home of sport News Talks.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Now, pick up a remote, Georgie of Oz, you and
I take a look at this. It is only a
semi final. It's a semi final of the women's singles skulls. Moment,
New Zealand in a twig is leading. Is eighty two
meters to go. Let's make that seventy two meters to go,
and it looks like Emma, the reigning Olympic champion, is
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going to do this with some ease. I'll just stretch
my wood out until she got the line and the ego.
She's one and comfortably one at two. Of course, we've
still got a bloke to get in there and have
a crack as well. We'll follow Tom McIntosh. I didn't
do anything I want to say. We'll follow Macintosh. I
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mean Marcus last probably. Well, hey, we're going to be
joined up next by Michael Burgess out of Paris's we
take a week. Look at what happens tonight and over
tomorrow morning at the Paris Olympics.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Where again is your truck reach.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Together?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Coolsty?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Have we still following someone?
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Shine with you and al together all the time.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
It's quite personal. It wasn't really referencing you, but it's
lovely to have you on board. Nutes to eight sounds
like Michael Burgess went for a dip in the scene.
We may never hear from him again. Oh well, there
you go. It's been great having him on board. Coming
up tonight. Just in case you need to make a
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lick a list because you're going to spend it all
evening in front of the television, let me know. I'll
let you know what's going on. Obviously, Twigger has just
got through in the single skull for women, there's a
semi final. Macintosh is about to get under way. I
believe he may be going now. I can't tell, but
that's on the TV. I'll let you know in a second.
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Then we've got the double skull for women eighteen Francis
and Spores looking to win another medal race. Hard on
the heels of that race is nine thirtieth Robbie Manson
and Jordan Parry in the men's double skull. Lewis Claiberg
gets in the drink as well. Two hundred meter individual
medley for men. That's the second heat and then back
(37:26):
to medal contention. Coxless four for women. Gallaspores, Waddy and
Williams are looking to do the do there and then
do the d there. Then up after ten past ten McClain, Olrich,
Murray and McDonald is the coxless four for men, so
four medal opportunities in the rowing. That'll be done on
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dusted at around about ten twenty this evening, we've got
some sailing and some swimming. Four times to hundred med
of freestyle relay for women. There's a heat for that
for keys of there, Thomas Transon fairweather and Deans. There's
also sailing, and there's a there is a chance in
the sailing, and it's not till later on in the evening.
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In fact, I think it's early tomorrow morning that the
max get busy. Yet it's caullitter to one in the morning.
Isaac mac that's Isaac McCarty and William mackenzie in the
men's forty nine up to medal race. There coumpty sitting
in third, but they have a good chance of meddling
in that regatta. So that's in the wee smalls. We've
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got a bit of kayak and canoeing going on within,
Butcher Greta Piltington is in her one person dinghy. The
forty nine FX is for women. There's a medal race,
but La and Metscha quite a distance out the back,
so they won't be meddling, but they'll be competing anyway.
The final of the four by ton of meter Freestyle
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Relay for women that is on at eight o'clock tomorrow morning.
So how the ladies go earlier in the peace, we'll
find out if they get to that final, if they
can do anything amazing. Beaman and Walker are in BMX racing.
There's possibly there have been a last chance qualifying tomorrow
morning two. And have I missed anything out? No, I
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don't think I have. I missed John Armott in the
sailing for foil. You know'll watch those foils. That's really
good sport. They are so rapid. It's extraordinary, the up
and go that those things get. It's just amazing. Just
really enjoying watching that when I can. Right now we're
going to go back up to we've got seven hundred
(39:39):
and fifty odd meters to go for the semi final
for the single skulls. The Kiwi Macintosh is only four
meters out of the lead now up behind the Dutch
entry and he's just managed to overhaul the Belgium entry.
Also Uruguay, Japan, Lithuania are involved there, so a while
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to go. Good six hundred odd meters and all things
going well and good and we can chop that through
before we get off on the program. Again, this is
not a metal race, this is a qualifying race Semifinal
A and B. And we've found Michael Burgess. So Michael Burgess,
good morning. That dip you took that swim in the Seine.
(40:23):
It didn't kill you after all, welcome to the show. Yeah,
well it maybe not have killed you, but it's killed
your telephone. No, yep, no, we're going to have to
abandon that because the phone line is it's a little
third world over in France, which I wouldn't have found
(40:44):
myself saying, but so be it. I've got a couple
of texts and as well, she sounds very mature, Georgina.
Did Georgina e a Swindel?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Now?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Earl great to hear from her? Indeed it was and
someone else celebrating Goose's call. I get the Goose has
got a huge amount of passion. He loves the team.
But it's a real stretch saying that the CEO is
the only reason that Rob Penny is still there. They
might be more to it. I just don't think you
(41:16):
can be you can hide that much in that role.
I think there's too much at stake. And I will
go back to what I was saying before about Graham Henry.
He got the job again, and it works. It only
worked with the skin of their teeth, but it still worked.
And we look at what happened over the year, and
(41:38):
they got fifty three things to try and tweak. So
a percentile here and a percentile there, does that mean
the Crusaders actually step up again? But I think the
Crusaders fans it's not a matter of getting into the
finals next year. It's a matter of getting into the
final next year and anything short of that will be
(41:59):
seen as a failure at a pressure on Rob Penny
and on Colin Mansbridge and on the players. So hope
they can turn some of those close losses to victories
and don't lose half their players to unfortunate injuries throughout
the season as well. I'm not going to get to
the end of the race now, am I Still the
(42:22):
Netherlands are still leading? No, they have the go live
coverage on gold Sport. But New Zealand has finished second
in that semi final of the single skull for men.
Great news, I'm not asking what to go Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
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