August 27, 2024 • 43 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to recap an exciting week in the world of sports! Highlights for tonight include:
Former Warrior Brent Tate on Graeme Annesley's admission that the refs got the Crichton call wrong on Friday night.
Talkback - How do we fix the bunker?
Craig Gabriel recaps the US Open.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Waldegrave
from news Talk zed Be.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And here's Tuesday. Welcome to sports Talk for Tuesday night,
six minutes after seven, twenty seventh of August twenty twenty four.
Good evening, one of his lasty water Grave with your
hotel eight o'clock tonight you talk sports plainly for an
entire hours. Later on the piece, we'll catch up with
Craig Gabriel. He's it's what Graham, hey guys used to
(01:06):
term is the New York hostage crisis, because it feels
like they never ever actually get to leave flashing meadows.
They're stuck there forever find out from Craig if that's
the case when we go to him, if he's still
locked in there somewhere where all of these may just
go for so long these days they don't mean anyway.
Craig Gabriel towards the end of the Peace of the
(01:28):
Week summary wrap of day one, including what happened to
Lulu soon not a great afternoon on a great day
for her, So be it is what it is, I believe,
was one of her quotes. First up, though, we're going
to talk to Brent Tape former a Warrior or a
kangaroo form a cowboy. The list goes on. Who now
is a commentator for Fox Sport and the NRL as
(01:51):
we look, it's mister Graham Annesley and his heartfelt and
his heartfelt apology to the fans of the Warriors when
they got dudded on Friday Night by a horrible, horrible
call which offend ended effectively the night and the season
for Roger to Ava shit good discussion point this one.
(02:14):
I really don't think any of this is targeted at
the Warriors. I really don't. We're going to talk about
that later on the piece. We'll talk about with mister
Brent Tate what the Punk is actually doing, what their
problems and issues are and can't actually been sold because
and I'll read you some great stats, it is a problem.
(02:36):
It's off the top of my head, three hundred and
forty calls odd for high tackles so far in this season.
Thirty of them came over the weekend. Now that's lopsided,
and a lot of that is knee jerk from what
happened on Friday Night. Suddenly the rest freaking out, we
send them off, sense of them Bettlety, we can't go
(02:58):
anymore anyway. We'll talk about that with Brent take and
then we'll take your calls on eight hundred and eighty
ten to eightieth. The lines will be open right the
way through. That's our plan anyway. We'll get a monk shortly,
but before that, let's do this today and support today.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
All Blacks assistant coach Jason Lyon has outlined his philosophy
ahead of the weekend's immense challenge against the reigning world
champion spring Box.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
That hurts to say it, but I did. It requires
this philosophy some excess luggage to be jettisoned.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
When you're playing in this arena and it's honestly the
best ever you could test yourself. You can't be thinking
too much about things if you want that physicality. So
that's probably what I've learned is probably removing a little
bit of stuff during the week helps them execute under pressure.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I think rugby think tackle pass, get up, tackle pass, run,
get there, nice and simple thoughts. Black Fern and rugby
superstar porsh of woodwen Wickliffe has explained her decision to
shoot over to the Land of the Rising Sun for
a touch at fifteen. She'll be gone from October to February.
Her wife, Renee, assistant coach for the same team that
(04:09):
Porscha's playing for, the me E Pearls.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Sweet I want to have babies and I want to
get is in many opportunities as I can, and with
the Japanese seventh season being before the Olympics, that wasn't
an option. So the next best option is going over
for a fifteen season.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Lily soon is out of UIs open the star of
woman and while she was, wasn't she right? While she
was over here?
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Anyway?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Our Star of Womanen broke down after the first set
against Lucia Bronzetti on day one of the year's final major.
She is focusing, though, on the good side on an
average day.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
The more I play and the more I get into
these different types of situations, I'll definitely learn from them
and to be able to put that into the future years.
It's definitely a lesson, a hard lesson, but it is
what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
A lesson. Lessen obviously hasn't it's spent too much time
over here recently. Thank you very much for that. Lulu
Souna my new favorite player. Poor old Graham annesley A
fronted up again to sheepeshly explain Friday nights reff and
calamity as his staff failed to notice dogs skipper Stephen
(05:23):
Crichton execute a text book no arms, shoulder to their
head of Roger toy basis shit which snotted Roger out
of the game and finished as you remember that classic
Nigel Long hot spot claiming a few years ago and
Ozzie New Zealand Cricket test and he said, look, it
could come from anywhere, said that after Nathan Lyon whacked
(05:44):
the seam off the ball. Yeah it was that blind
on Friday night. But that's okay because Grahame's like, wow,
it happens.
Speaker 8 (05:49):
From we haven't an error and a bad era that
we saw in the Stephen Crichton incident. We should have
been said Bendo, I don't think there's any question. I
don't think anyone argues with that. There's no doubt that
was a judgment error by the bunker.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Sometimes people just get things wrong and there's nothing you
can do about it. And that's a sport today. And
on that very subject we're joined now by Brent Tait.
Its Worried Cowboys Kangaroo, current Fox Sport commentator, as we
look at the weekend and we look at the trouble
at Mill when it comes to Bunker and the refs
(06:25):
and their decisions in the Nrl'm to it now by Brent.
Welcome to the program, Brent. So I suppose what are
your initial impressions on this.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Well, I think they've created a rod for their own
back at the moment, mate, with some of the decisions
around concussions and head highs and who goes to the bin.
And I honestly think there's this mass confusion in the
refereeing ranks at the moment. To be honest, I don't
think they understand what is a sendoff. I don't think
they understand what's not a sendoff. Yeah, I genuinely think
(06:56):
made at the moment, there's just a real centiment across
the game that there's just everyone's confused, no one knows
what's going on. And yeah, it's a real worry, mate,
I get the same that, and I've got a real
worry that I think this semi final series might be
one of the most controversial we've ever seen because I
just think all the referees at the moment are on
a different page to each other. They're really struggling for consistency,
(07:19):
and you know, it does seem every week we see
Graham and as they're sitting up there apologizing on behalf
of one of the teams, which, look, there's always going
to be some error, mate, but I just think we've
got to get on the right page at the moment,
and they've got to get on the right page quickly
otherwise you know, this semi final series is going to
be really controversial.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You saw being very reactionary over the weekend after that
non call on Crichton. Suddenly the race all leaned toward
maybe seending players to the ben. May you put it on?
It just got a bit more intense, didn't after what
happened on Friday night? Very reactionary?
Speaker 6 (07:53):
Yeah, it certainly did, one hundred percent. Made I think
all the noise around that certainly set of precedent for
the rest of the rest of the weekend's football. But again, mate,
you know, look, we're seeing guys getting like nothing more
than I love Pap getting sent off. And look, I'm
all for protecting the players and making sure that our
game is in a good position to look after the players,
(08:15):
you know that that's the main thing. But I just
think at the moment they've just gone to the empty
gree it's just gone way too far. And as I said, look,
I think the simple thing is at the moment is
if you know, if someone gets hit and the head
you go to the bin and all the players know that,
and that's that's just the way it is. But yeah,
certainly at the moment, Made, it's there seems to be
just mass confusion around the place.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Well, carry on that in a second. Just going back
to the Wars situation, I've been talking to people saying, hey, look,
this is not an anti Warriors thing. It happens right
across the competition. Do you feel like as an anti
Warriors situation or there being unduly harassed.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
No, I don't think so. Made. As I said, I think,
you know, you could go over Graham as Lee's reviews
every week and I reckon every week, you know, there's
a decision there that's you know, more or not more not.
You could argue that's cost a team, you know, a
winning performance. You know. So I don't think it's just
(09:13):
the wise. I do get when you're a supporter of
the club and you're at the club, how you do
feel like that? Absolutely? But as I said, I think
if you went through Graham and as leads reviews each Monday,
that new every week he's apologizing to a team where
there's been a maybe a refereeing, how that's cost a
side two points. So look, it is a really difficult job, mate.
But I just think now with the bunk have we
(09:35):
slow everything down? You know everything, they slow the game
to down and they referee the game and slow and
you just can't do that with rugby league. I mean
it's a fast it's a fast paced game, it's a
contact sport. Yeah, it's just a difficult one. And to
throw another layer in that now mate, we've got players
laying down anytime they get touched on the head. And
that's you know, with the games created that you know,
(09:57):
because the players are just playing within the rules. So
now you know, you got blokes hold in the back
of their next You've got blokes holding ankles. You've got
blokes as soon as they get touched on the face
screaming and yelling at the RAF, laying down. So yeah, look, yeah,
I genuinely have real concern going into the semi final
series because if they don't fix this in the next
couple of weeks, it's going to cost a team of
Grand final or a semi final but the next week
(10:20):
so and if that happens, mate, there's going to be
real ramifications.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Bring take joins us. I suppose it's all well and
good saying this has to be solved in the next
couple of weeks, But how what actually can or has
to happen? How do you put the genie back in
the bottle again?
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Well, I think for a start, you get the bunker
out of it, you know, refereeing the game in slow
mae and going over every single tackle, you know, like
that that's one thing or made at the end of
the day. As I said before, you know, if you
hit someone in the in the head and that's you
get sent off, so you know, and that's just a
blanket rule. But again, we're going to have a game
where everyone's get sent off for ten minutes because it's
a contact sport. You know, at times you do come
(10:57):
up around the head. Whether it's a big contact or not,
it happens. So I know there's no quick fix for this,
is it? But mate, we've got to get something sorted
in the next couple of weeks. Otherwise, Like I said,
I've got genuine fears for this semi final series and
it's not going to be perfect. But maybe, Yeah, I
don't think it's a great look in the game at
the moment. When you've got two or three blows getting
(11:18):
sent off every in one game every week, it's just yeah,
I don't know, it's just not a good look for
the game. And I think we're all as fans and
clubs and players, we're all getting really frustrated with it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well, you're a former plane, you'd make a point on that.
You're all into being people's heads, being secret into looking
after that. Granted, we don't want to go back to
the shoulders to their head and the swinging arms and
the stiff arms and so on and so forth. But
there's I suppose has to be a happier medium. You
mentioned the bunker. Is there any way you can trim
(11:50):
that up, give them less control, or say, look, all
you can judge on is this that?
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Or Yeah. I just think we've got to take the
amount of times that they've review stuff, you know, I mean,
at the moment the review and had a highest some
three or four players go where players have just been
tapped in the head. They've got up, play the ball,
play on and there's nothing of it and they're getting
sent off. So mate, I just think the interference from
the bunk, I genuinely the more I talk about this,
(12:16):
I genuinely think the problem is the bunker and how
much they are interfering, because the rest, I think, have
a decent feel for the game, and you know, I
just think the less the bunker can interfere, the better
it is for the game, you know, for the flow
of the game, you know, And as I said, most
of the rest at the moment are doing a pretty
good job with getting things right. You know, there's always
going to be a bit of error make that's human nature,
(12:37):
and that's happened forever in the day. But I just
think the interference from the bunker is just making it
absolutely diabolic.
Speaker 9 (12:43):
A lot of the.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Moment willingness the likelihood do you think they would be
brave enough to change the bunker that they've set their
stall out with it Is that a chance of even happening?
Maybe not before the finals, but maybe before the start
of the twenty five season.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Oh look, I think there will definitely be a review
done next year. There has to be. There has to be.
All the minds have got to get together and fix
the mess that they've created at the moment, especially around
this head high stuff. So Mate, that's got to happen.
That will happen. It just has to because they don't,
you know, it's just going to get worse and worse.
So I get the feeling that there will be a
(13:20):
you know, an end of the year summit or coming
together of the great one the game to try and
get some common ground here and figure out what's going
to be best for the game moving forward and what's
going to be best protecting the players moving forward. But look,
you know the lad is at the moment. Yeah, we're
probably going to have to run with that to the
end of the year. But as I said, mate, I
do have huge concerns going into the finals because I'd
(13:42):
hate to see, you know, we've got a semi final
series and you have got two or three blogs from
Meeking going to the bin. You know that's going to
decide how the game goes. Mate. That's not a good product.
That's not what we're about, and we've never been about that.
So yeah, we'll see how it all plays out. I
guess the right.
Speaker 10 (13:57):
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Speaker 2 (14:03):
Talk eleven points. They are made by Brent Tait, huge
frustration in his voice. Of course, a former player completely
understands what it's like out there in the middle and
understands the speed of the game, the tempo of the game,
the confusion from referees and the ability, of course for
(14:23):
people to get it wrong at high speed. What's happening
with rugby league is turning into rugby union. I'm sorry
to say that to rugby league fans. It's getting slower
and slower and slower. And this is one of the
glorious parts of rugby league.
Speaker 11 (14:41):
It's quick.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
It goes at a break neck pace. You hardly get
time to breathe. You've got to be fit, you've got
to be fast. Your decision making process is extraordinarily quick.
And this is starting to be sucked out of the game.
The constant ball in action, the constant play is disappearing
because the bunker keep climbing and I've seen something way
(15:04):
back there. I have a look, go away, get out,
and the health of the player's paramount we get that,
we understand that, but I think that they've over dialed it,
They've overcorrected it. It's gone too far. I'll be interested
in your thoughts on this, the slow mow reffing concept.
(15:24):
Brent Tate said, like you slow everything down to an
nthh degree, How do you make a decision? How much
does it interfere with the game? And on further this.
I've had discussing with this on social media and talk
to people at the pub about it too. After what
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happened on Friday night with Stephen Krichton, isn't plenty obviously
shoulder of charge Rodger in their head it was how
you missed that? I don't know. You're going to have
situations like that where it gets missed. But it's not
just the Warriors, right. We concentrate on the so called
(16:05):
bias when we look at the Warriors because we're the
only New Zealand team in the competition and they're picking
on us in the shaky eards and every team in
the NRL gets studded by the bunker and the referees.
Every team. We pay more attention to this because we're
focused primarily on the Warriors in the NRL. There'll be
(16:30):
hardcore league fans out there who watch more than just
the Warriors every week. They watch maybe two, three four games,
maybe watch a highlights package. They'd be in a much
better position to judge whether the Warriors are getting duddled
or not. I honestly don't think they are. We see
it because we watch them, so we feel aggrieved. Nothing
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wrong with the way the Warriors been treated.
Speaker 11 (16:54):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
There's been a couple of games, both of them against
the Bulldogs as it turns out, where poor decisions were made.
Did that cost the Warriors a position of the top eight? No,
it didn't cost the Warriors the position in the top eight?
Is there inability to close out games? Is the inability
to put defense on the back of attack after getting
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off to a great start and then letting it all go.
It was also some pretty awful injury issues in the
back line, but there was a number of different reasons.
It wasn't this like your opinion, your your your impressions
of what went on here? Does it go too far?
Has the bunkie just got too much control? Is it
(17:37):
wreaking the flow of the game. I think it is,
and I don't think we're being picked on as a team.
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Speaker 10 (18:22):
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Speaker 11 (18:31):
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Speaker 2 (18:34):
So there's eyebrows in the business in a ship that
I had to sit, not unlike them back in the day.
They've just announced about half an hour ago that they're
back together being the bros who hate each other, and
they have been touring again around England and Ireland. Hmm,
(18:58):
my money says thar'll end up fighting and squealing again
and they'll call the tour off. So I think it's
short lived. Tell you what they pay money to go
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I kind of feel odd that people still think the
Wars are picked on and the NRL when it's plainly not.
(19:21):
It's the systems that don't work and the inability of
their referees to provide a constant and possibly be the
last time I talk about this, because I think you've
got to accept the fact that people get it wrong
and they're fallible, and if you can't, don't watch the sport. Right.
(19:47):
I think on balance, a better team that makes better decisions,
that doesn't get doesn't get knee capped by injuries terrible
pun is going to do better in the competition.
Speaker 11 (20:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
It doesn't help that sometimes you get the horrible pointy
pine apple and it helped, but it happens, and it
happens to all of these teams in the NRL. Forward
pass decisions, high tackle decisions, ball fumble decisions, dummy runners.
There's a lot of situations where it simply doesn't work.
(20:27):
So in this situation, for me, you accept that the
next step on is take away power from the bunker.
Too much power O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you want to disagree on GRAMD this I love
to hear from you, and I think you you depower
their strength and you put it back in the hands
(20:50):
to the referee. Now, this is something I've banged on
about for a couple of years. Now that the chances
of the the bunker and the referees getting it wrong,
I'd say just as high as they are without the bunker.
The any problem with the bunker and the TMO and
is it just takes in an ordinate amount of time
to get a decision out, which wrecks the flow of
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the game, not only for the people at home watching
it on TV, but for the crowd that are there.
That's what you love about league. It's so fast, just
keeps going, and you start tying the leagues together. Of
that concept, you're going to wreck your game. So take
seems to think things need to change. I don't believe
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it will change before the finals. But the beauty of
the NRL is they're their own competition. They make their
own rules, they do what they want to do, so
they can work with great speed. They're very nimble when
it comes to making decisions that affect their game. And
I think they listen to the crowd. They listen to
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the broadcasters, they listen to the people, the shareholders, that's us,
the audience, and work with what they want, which is great, unless,
of course, you're complaining Warriors fans, so they never listened
to us because they're all whites hob blogblin. But then
but they don't always kneecap the Warriors. I don't think
it's entirely based on us. Let's go to a couple
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for text into the program. Hey, suits, I can't believe
you are still going on about such a minor sport
in R not in my na. But that's called it
doesn't have a capital either. Is Murdock paying you out?
You desperate lot?
Speaker 11 (22:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
No, no, not at all. I think it's an interesting issue
and I'm approaching it, so there you go. It's okay,
Sorry Darcy. It is just the Warriors. The NRL doesn't
want them to succeed. I would you need to call
in and justify that statement, because we know when the
CEO of the Talco company that put money into the
(22:59):
Warriors had a bit of a cry and gotten all
sorts of strife for suggesting that the referees in the
bunker ruhm corrupt. Dumb move. I'm sure he absolutely resents
and sorry regrets that statement still does not smart when
(23:22):
you're in that competition like this, and already people think
you're picking on one team. If anything, subconsciously you're going
to make decisions that go in their favor, so you
avoid that kind of accusation, that criticism. But if you
look right across the NRL and all the games that
are being played, the Warriors aren't playing in every game.
(23:42):
You know that, don't you one a weekend? If that,
there are plenty of rubbish decisions. And so instead of
looking at and going we're being picked on, look at
it and say, what's wrong with the process here. That's
slowing down what was or once fantastic, quick, extraordinarily brutal
game of football. Too much control from the bunker needs
(24:08):
to be pulled back. Put the control back in the
hands of the referees. You'll speed the game up. You'll
still get bad decisions, there will still be poor decisions.
You will never eradicate rubbish decisions unless you go along
with this guy, which I think is a fantastic a
(24:31):
tech just replaced the referees and the bunker with AI,
get rid of the human factor altogether. Then we can
rage against the machine if it gets it wrong. The
machine that probably get it right. More often than not,
wouldn't it At eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I'd
love your thoughts on that, Darcy the Warriors writes another,
(24:52):
haven't been wronged by the bunker. All teams of the
decision go against them, no matter what sport. If you're
not good enough to win, you need to look at yourselves,
not anywhere else for excuses. Exactly that, Paul, and they
will get a bad call, and they will get a
poor call, but so will the storm, and so will
their eels, and so will the cowboys, and the list
goes on. We're not being exclusively picked on. Let's go
(25:18):
to the phones now, and we're joined by Hi, Alex.
How are you?
Speaker 9 (25:26):
Yeah? Good?
Speaker 12 (25:26):
Thank you mate?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Ye're not so bad. What have you got to say
on this?
Speaker 13 (25:31):
Oh mate?
Speaker 14 (25:32):
You're talking about video referees and just a talk from
my head has been running around constantly. You know, you're
in the moment as a fan, and you've watched this
amazing tribe be scored and then the referee stops because
some of the vitails them there was an infringement about
ten or fifteen phases back. You're living in the moment,
celebrating it and then you're waiting for five minutes for
(25:54):
some video referee to tell you, oh, sorry made it's
gonna be a fuilty the other way. No, try what
a wonco of a referee that would be through in
the moment. And I think, you know, particularly with those
kinds of calls yet you know they might have been
an refreshmat but now it is so minor and then
the whole play and the whole game has ruins because
they lost the float. You know, there's video referee just
(26:15):
gets in there. And we saw the rctory World Cup final.
Actually yeah cost the All Blacks quite a few things.
And yeah, that's really cries my game. You see it
in soccer and football as well.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Well, it's said starting now, isn't that Now they've got
that ridiculous situation where they've got a var I think
it just sucks all of the energy out of the stadium.
And look, TV audiences are important, but the people in
the stadium actually go there. You get to a stage
when you go and you go, was there a try
to know, I might cheer if they call it, and
(26:46):
that's not watching sport, is it? Alex?
Speaker 14 (26:51):
I agree? And look for me, you know, talking about
referees and their decisions. Make them was part of a
talking for it, part of the banter that you discussed
with your mates after the game.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
You know.
Speaker 14 (26:59):
It was one of those things that you're like, oh,
you made a shocking decision, but so what that was
part of it. You know, the referee was just as
much as part of the game. But now we're talking
about semantics up there every game and saying, oh, you
know that the video referee better hand in there, or
what they're put in there where it's not meant to
be and that sort of stuff. It's just it really
frustrates me. It's killing the game, killing all the sports
(27:21):
that are having it. And what's even worse, it's meant
to make the decisions more perfect, but we're still seeing mistakes.
I mean, last season you saw Liverpool had a gold
that's allowed even though it wasn't offside and then they
lost the game and conspers it's ridiculous. Now you see
this thing in tennis recently with the ball do it
bounce or not? But apparently the video assistance that's available
(27:44):
at the tournament can't intervene on that particular course. So
we went with the umpire and the guy lost the game.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I mean, is it possible to stuff the genie back
in the bottle? That's the problem, isn't it, Alex? Because
once it's out there, we know we have the ability
to have another look. Would there be a resistance amongst
the viewing public to actually go, no, we're not doing
this anymore and throw it away? What is it in Sweden,
Scandinavia somewhere that actually they never took the VR on board,
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so they reckon it took away from the energy of
the game. There's no point. They don't want it, mate,
and that's brave. I wonder if we could actually go backward.
Speaker 14 (28:21):
Well, yeah, that's why I'm watching rugby sometimes.
Speaker 11 (28:25):
Yeah, good point.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Hey, Alex, thanks very much for your call. And you
go back to old games. Do you ever watch any
old games of rugby on TV? They pop up in
sky from town to time to time, and there are
there are some terrible decisions, But I don't think we
remember the games of the past with some terrible decisions.
Remember them because they flowed and they played didn't stop.
(28:51):
You know that sport these days is just waiting for
someone to hit pause. More of your calls coming up
next eight hundred eighty ten eighty yours. Please, we're talking
the tyranny of a bunker. It's not anti wise, it's
just anti football.
Speaker 15 (29:09):
Stop it.
Speaker 11 (29:23):
Yeah, rasis on the comeback.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I love this text and just before I wropped on
here it's for hither. Sorry, head of the PA, I'm
for stealing your text. But this person is so stoked
around the return of Oasis, basically saying anyone that can
(30:05):
get super Sonic, can Gin and Tomic to get him?
The same? Sentience? Is good by me and they are.
It is nineteen minister eight I number eighty ten eighty
lines are open down your good evening.
Speaker 15 (30:18):
Hi.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
I understand that a player you know can make it
wrong sision, but after the game, the coach and the
captain have to turn up to an interview to say, hey,
what happened there?
Speaker 15 (30:35):
Now?
Speaker 9 (30:36):
I can't you know, all teams get ripped off in Australia.
The Warriors have to be better than that. But my
question is I want that guy from the bunker to
front up to the media conference after where the players
and the coach have to and explain how he wasn't
sure whether a shoulder charge to the head of a
(31:00):
Warriors player, wasn't it? You know, that's the only justice.
I can't change the result of the game or anything,
but I want that referee to explain to me how
how when you watch that? Now? The problem with that
is I've watched the cricket in the third umpire and
I have watched the making decision that I didn't see
(31:23):
what I know I saw.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
So yeah, I think that did that. Though, what would
you get out of the me and go? Well, I
saw something different, like it's right there in front of
you while I called against it. Sorry, I mean, I
don't know what we'd achieve out of that. And when
it's so hard to get people into refereeing anyway, if
you start making a point out of criticizing the referees,
I think it's probably a slippery slope. I think just
(31:48):
take the control away from the bunker more and more
so they can have a call around an egregious piece
of violence and otherwise that's about it. Just go away.
Wouldn't that be easier? Yeah, it's just an idea, Daniel,
Thanks very much for calling through, Mark.
Speaker 12 (32:06):
How are you you guys?
Speaker 13 (32:09):
Not much watch specially last week the game there.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Was there were thirty high tackle calls, which represents about
eight percent of all of the calls made so far
this year. The referees panicked and they all started calling everything.
Speaker 13 (32:27):
In ral is still a great game and it ran quite
well through the week, you know, so there is no
issue about I think TMO is coming. It's all It hurts,
but you know it was a how many points would
have been added through the whole weekend all of the
team nearly three four hundred.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Do you not feel, as an a league fan watching her though,
that the game grinds to a horrible hole more often
than not.
Speaker 13 (32:55):
No, No, I'm surprised you go out except much of
your ton, to be honest, But why are you talking
about the test coming up? The Warriors are done?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Well, you're not talking about there either, because I wasn't
talking about that. The Test is coming up and we'll
get there eventually.
Speaker 11 (33:14):
Hey, Raj, how are you okay?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (33:18):
I just wanted to talk about this whole bunker scenario.
I think we're better off without any of that. I
think what's happening is when you got that that that
fallback for referees. But why can't we just actually invest
in better refereeing rather than var bunker, all those sort
(33:38):
of things and bring back that that element of human
human eraror hey we make here is it's part of
the part of the passion of the game.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
All is it difficult? Is that when you've got all
of the technology in the world and still get it wrong,
you go, what's the point? Because it slowed everything down,
cost a whold of money and have we really is
it any It might be five percent better, does that matter?
That's what I said about going back to the those days,
you go, there's a discussion point around what happened. I
don't think pop will look back at the old days
and go it was terrible. It was quick, it was entertaining,
(34:09):
and that's what it was.
Speaker 12 (34:10):
Absolutely, even the English Premier League was entertaining. Yes, there
were calls that didn't go right. You know, this bunker hole,
this whole bunker scenario has slowed down league completely, even
though it's still regarded as a fast game compared to rugby.
But you know, we're we're becoming almost like gredline. You know,
(34:31):
we're a game that probably essentially could could go for
two hours, goes four and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Like you're so right, because I get there and I'm
watching the league. I was like, that was a great
tribe that I don't really know yet. I'll wait and
then I'm sure as the references up and goes, oh,
I think we've seen something back there, and it's like
whatever it detracts from the immediacy of the exchange and
the joy of the frailty of the human state, that's
probably a bit over the top. Rise, But you know
(34:59):
what I'm.
Speaker 12 (34:59):
Saying, right, I don't think it's over the top. I
think you know, when you're watch an AB's game. We're
going to be watching the ABS game this weekend. You know,
there'll be a choice scored and I'll be pausing and waiting,
not not celebrating or not not you know, throwing my
arms in the EU if it's the box scoring. You know,
like all that, all that entertainment, all their emotion you
(35:21):
feel during the game, it's being stolen. It has been stolen,
being stolen from it.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, and Rise, thanks so much for you, col We
make a great point. I'm tended to get up and
actually watch the All Blacks live because I very rarely
do it these days because I'm elderly and a rather
video and watch it with you baking and eggs in
the morning, and just there we'll say I'm not going
to get up for it. I'll get up for it
an hour later. I'll record it. I'll watch an hour delay,
(35:46):
so when they start, when they're messing around, just far
forward through it. What kind of fanom A thirteen minutes
away from eight tennis up next Craig at Gabriel as
our man on the spot over at Flushing Meadows. We're
talking at day one of the fourth and final tennis
major of the year, the US Open. This is the
news talks here b Spark, no.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
On sid.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Let's get it right now. Day one of the US Open,
the last tennis major of the year. Gabriel as pers
ow man on the spot, Greig, welcome to the program.
Can you summarize the first day for it? The ups
and downs, the ins and outs, what happened?
Speaker 15 (36:35):
It's the US Open. It's impossible to do something like that.
It's just the craziest thing.
Speaker 16 (36:42):
Look, there was so much going on and there were
some interesting results, but overall relatively straightforward, with most of
the highly fancied players all moving through the likes of
the two defending champions, Cocoa golf and Novak Djokovic both
winning very comfortably in straight sets. Therese would be a
(37:04):
couple of our highlights, and then the champion from twenty
twenty over here, the covid Us Open, which played behind
closed doors. Champion from that Your Dominique team lost in
the first round to Ben Shelton, and that's it for
him as far as Majors is concerned. I think he's
got one more tournament to play before he totally retires
from the sport.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
So you're going to have damage like that in the
first round. It's always going to happen. You just expect that,
don't you.
Speaker 11 (37:31):
Not.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
All the top players are going to get it right
come the first round. So when you lose players like that,
you go, wow, someone had to go right.
Speaker 16 (37:39):
Well, yeah, but Dommy team has had his fair share
of injuries over the last couple of years, and he
decided that he just couldn't keep on trying and then
kept breaking down all over again. I mean, his ranking
has plummeted, He's not the player he used to be,
and he was beaten by the number thirteen seed Ben Shelton.
But still, I mean, he's had a tremendous career, and
(38:03):
he is the winner of a major and that's something
that can never be taken away from him.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Let's look at the New Zealand Connicks and here Lulu Soon,
who said the most fantastic time of it of recent months,
he's unfortunately. Can you tell us more about the circumstances
in which she retired, the injury in son and so forth.
Speaker 16 (38:21):
Craig, Yeah, absolutely, Look, I thought this was going to
be this was the reasoning behind it, and she confirmed it.
She pulled out of the match or retired from the
match after losing the first set six ' to three,
and she was playing Lucia Bronzetti of Italy. It wasn't
as if Bronzetti was playing out of her mind, but
it was just the fact that Lulu was struggling physically.
(38:45):
The glutes were just not working. She wasn't able to
move properly. And a lot of that has really come
around because of the quick turnaround she had. She reached
the final in modern Ray on the weekend and was
playing the first day of the US Open. So getting
from one side of the country to another, not so
much that it's a massive massive, but when you've played
(39:08):
a lot of matches and not really had that sort
of a.
Speaker 15 (39:12):
Break coming into a major.
Speaker 16 (39:14):
It you know, the muscles can tighten up and some
nerves work in and all that. So she says she
was doubly disappointed with the point that I made to her,
the fact that she had done so well at Wimbledon,
reaching the quarter finals and wasn't able to continue with
that here at the US Open. But you know, it's
all experience for her and she'll know better for the
(39:34):
next time.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
So it wasn't something she picked up Monterey. It was
just a fake. Her body was stressed, it was a
new injury.
Speaker 15 (39:40):
Great look, she was.
Speaker 16 (39:42):
Sort of feeling it, I think in Moderrey, and then
it just got progressively worse during the match.
Speaker 15 (39:49):
And then there was a.
Speaker 16 (39:50):
Bit of a very brief break because there was some
little bit of drizzle. So you know, you stop playing
in the middle of a match and muscles seese up
as well while you're waiting. So it's just unfortunate that
it had to end this way for her, because you know,
she had she got through, more than likely.
Speaker 15 (40:09):
She would have been playing Arena Sabalinka.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I think it is so we've got more first round
X and for the women tomorrow, including the number one seeds.
Fyon takes involved in the other games you look out for.
Speaker 16 (40:23):
Yeah, look, I mean today, as was suggesting, was absolutely manic.
Speaker 15 (40:27):
Tomorrow is crazy.
Speaker 16 (40:30):
Shreontek first up, then Yannick Sinner and how how's the
crowd going to treat Janick? Hopefully they'll be respectful to
him because you know he's been caught up in that
band substance situation, which he's been totally cleared off. I
stress and hasten to add that, but sometimes people just
(40:53):
don't agree with decisions, and you know, they feel that
they're the judge and jury. So I hope he's treated
well and with respect. He's he's a great guy and
I believe him one hundred and fifty percent at night.
Speaker 15 (41:05):
Carlos Alcarez has.
Speaker 16 (41:06):
Got an Australian lead to a twenty eight year old
who went away from tennis and came back, so this
is going to be quite an experience for him. Daniel
Medvedev is an action I think probably the best women's
match of the first round. Elena Ostapenko coming up against
Naomi Osaka, and another interesting women's first round Bianca Andrescu,
(41:27):
who was a winner here a couple of years ago,
up against this year's French Open and Wimbledon finals. Just
mean Paulini. But the list keeps on and on, I
mean with incredible and fascinating matches for day two of
the Open.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
And yourself, who do you like to get toward the
point today? In any particular? Players are standing out to you? Yeah,
I just named your list of twenty then, so I
who have you got?
Speaker 16 (41:51):
Oh, it's so difficult even at it's such an early stage,
and anything can happen at these tournaments. When you look
at the result that Stane Stevens who won this but
seven eight years ago she was up six love, four
to one against the young French player Clara Burrell and
collapsed and lost love six seven five seven five. You know,
(42:11):
so those sort of results can suddenly crop up. But look,
I don't know at this point. I think it's still
a bit early, and you know, give it out of
the round or two and things will start shuffling around
and we'll get a bit, hopefully a bit of a
better idea. But it's always difficult to go past the
big guns. You know, Novak goes on and defends the
(42:31):
title will be the first time a man has defended
the US Open since Roger Fedder in two thousand and seven.
In two thousand and eight, so I didn't think it
was I forgot it was that long ago.
Speaker 15 (42:43):
So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
That's a mad stet that might be worth putting a
quiet five bucks on one thing. I can guarantee though,
Craig Gabriel, as my old friend Graham AGAs used to say,
it's more like a hostage crisis than a tennis tournament
because it goes for so long and so late. So
we're wishing you the best. You better whip home and
grab yourself some sleep, mate, if you've head into at all.
Speaker 15 (43:05):
Yeah, I'm wondering if I've had any, but thanks, I'll
try and do that.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Thank you, Craig Gabriel. That's it and Smiddlesitch, thanks for
producing the program with Darcy Watergreave. Thanks for listening. Thank
you tomorrow at seven here on News Talk ZEDB.
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
And here's Tuesday. Welcome to sports Talk for Tuesday night,
six minutes after seven, twenty seventh of August twenty twenty four.
Good evening, one of his lasty water Grave with your
hotel eight o'clock tonight you talk sports plainly for an
entire hours. Later on the piece, we'll catch up with
Craig Gabriel. He's it's what Graham, hey guys used to
(01:06):
term is the New York hostage crisis, because it feels
like they never ever actually get to leave flashing meadows.
They're stuck there forever find out from Craig if that's
the case when we go to him, if he's still
locked in there somewhere where all of these may just
go for so long these days they don't mean anyway.
Craig Gabriel towards the end of the Peace of the
(01:28):
Week summary wrap of day one, including what happened to
Lulu soon not a great afternoon on a great day
for her, So be it is what it is, I believe,
was one of her quotes. First up, though, we're going
to talk to Brent Tape former a Warrior or a
kangaroo form a cowboy. The list goes on. Who now
is a commentator for Fox Sport and the NRL as
(01:51):
we look, it's mister Graham Annesley and his heartfelt and
his heartfelt apology to the fans of the Warriors when
they got dudded on Friday Night by a horrible, horrible
call which offend ended effectively the night and the season
for Roger to Ava shit good discussion point this one.
(02:14):
I really don't think any of this is targeted at
the Warriors. I really don't. We're going to talk about
that later on the piece. We'll talk about with mister
Brent Tate what the Punk is actually doing, what their
problems and issues are and can't actually been sold because
and I'll read you some great stats, it is a problem.
(02:36):
It's off the top of my head, three hundred and
forty calls odd for high tackles so far in this season.
Thirty of them came over the weekend. Now that's lopsided,
and a lot of that is knee jerk from what
happened on Friday Night. Suddenly the rest freaking out, we
send them off, sense of them Bettlety, we can't go
(02:58):
anymore anyway. We'll talk about that with Brent take and
then we'll take your calls on eight hundred and eighty
ten to eightieth. The lines will be open right the
way through. That's our plan anyway. We'll get a monk shortly,
but before that, let's do this today and support today.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
All Blacks assistant coach Jason Lyon has outlined his philosophy
ahead of the weekend's immense challenge against the reigning world
champion spring Box.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
That hurts to say it, but I did. It requires
this philosophy some excess luggage to be jettisoned.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
When you're playing in this arena and it's honestly the
best ever you could test yourself. You can't be thinking
too much about things if you want that physicality. So
that's probably what I've learned is probably removing a little
bit of stuff during the week helps them execute under pressure.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I think rugby think tackle pass, get up, tackle pass, run,
get there, nice and simple thoughts. Black Fern and rugby
superstar porsh of woodwen Wickliffe has explained her decision to
shoot over to the Land of the Rising Sun for
a touch at fifteen. She'll be gone from October to February.
Her wife, Renee, assistant coach for the same team that
(04:09):
Porscha's playing for, the me E Pearls.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Sweet I want to have babies and I want to
get is in many opportunities as I can, and with
the Japanese seventh season being before the Olympics, that wasn't
an option. So the next best option is going over
for a fifteen season.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Lily soon is out of UIs open the star of
woman and while she was, wasn't she right? While she
was over here?
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Anyway?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Our Star of Womanen broke down after the first set
against Lucia Bronzetti on day one of the year's final major.
She is focusing, though, on the good side on an
average day.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
The more I play and the more I get into
these different types of situations, I'll definitely learn from them
and to be able to put that into the future years.
It's definitely a lesson, a hard lesson, but it is
what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
A lesson. Lessen obviously hasn't it's spent too much time
over here recently. Thank you very much for that. Lulu
Souna my new favorite player. Poor old Graham annesley A
fronted up again to sheepeshly explain Friday nights reff and
calamity as his staff failed to notice dogs skipper Stephen
(05:23):
Crichton execute a text book no arms, shoulder to their
head of Roger toy basis shit which snotted Roger out
of the game and finished as you remember that classic
Nigel Long hot spot claiming a few years ago and
Ozzie New Zealand Cricket test and he said, look, it
could come from anywhere, said that after Nathan Lyon whacked
(05:44):
the seam off the ball. Yeah it was that blind
on Friday night. But that's okay because Grahame's like, wow,
it happens.
Speaker 8 (05:49):
From we haven't an error and a bad era that
we saw in the Stephen Crichton incident. We should have
been said Bendo, I don't think there's any question. I
don't think anyone argues with that. There's no doubt that
was a judgment error by the bunker.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Sometimes people just get things wrong and there's nothing you
can do about it. And that's a sport today. And
on that very subject we're joined now by Brent Tait.
Its Worried Cowboys Kangaroo, current Fox Sport commentator, as we
look at the weekend and we look at the trouble
at Mill when it comes to Bunker and the refs
(06:25):
and their decisions in the Nrl'm to it now by Brent.
Welcome to the program, Brent. So I suppose what are
your initial impressions on this.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Well, I think they've created a rod for their own
back at the moment, mate, with some of the decisions
around concussions and head highs and who goes to the bin.
And I honestly think there's this mass confusion in the
refereeing ranks at the moment. To be honest, I don't
think they understand what is a sendoff. I don't think
they understand what's not a sendoff. Yeah, I genuinely think
(06:56):
made at the moment, there's just a real centiment across
the game that there's just everyone's confused, no one knows
what's going on. And yeah, it's a real worry, mate,
I get the same that, and I've got a real
worry that I think this semi final series might be
one of the most controversial we've ever seen because I
just think all the referees at the moment are on
a different page to each other. They're really struggling for consistency,
(07:19):
and you know, it does seem every week we see
Graham and as they're sitting up there apologizing on behalf
of one of the teams, which, look, there's always going
to be some error, mate, but I just think we've
got to get on the right page at the moment,
and they've got to get on the right page quickly
otherwise you know, this semi final series is going to
be really controversial.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You saw being very reactionary over the weekend after that
non call on Crichton. Suddenly the race all leaned toward
maybe seending players to the ben. May you put it on?
It just got a bit more intense, didn't after what
happened on Friday night? Very reactionary?
Speaker 6 (07:53):
Yeah, it certainly did, one hundred percent. Made I think
all the noise around that certainly set of precedent for
the rest of the rest of the weekend's football. But again, mate,
you know, look, we're seeing guys getting like nothing more
than I love Pap getting sent off. And look, I'm
all for protecting the players and making sure that our
game is in a good position to look after the players,
(08:15):
you know that that's the main thing. But I just
think at the moment they've just gone to the empty
gree it's just gone way too far. And as I said, look,
I think the simple thing is at the moment is
if you know, if someone gets hit and the head
you go to the bin and all the players know that,
and that's that's just the way it is. But yeah,
certainly at the moment, Made, it's there seems to be
just mass confusion around the place.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Well, carry on that in a second. Just going back
to the Wars situation, I've been talking to people saying, hey, look,
this is not an anti Warriors thing. It happens right
across the competition. Do you feel like as an anti
Warriors situation or there being unduly harassed.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
No, I don't think so. Made. As I said, I think,
you know, you could go over Graham as Lee's reviews
every week and I reckon every week, you know, there's
a decision there that's you know, more or not more not.
You could argue that's cost a team, you know, a
winning performance. You know. So I don't think it's just
(09:13):
the wise. I do get when you're a supporter of
the club and you're at the club, how you do
feel like that? Absolutely? But as I said, I think
if you went through Graham and as leads reviews each Monday,
that new every week he's apologizing to a team where
there's been a maybe a refereeing, how that's cost a
side two points. So look, it is a really difficult job, mate.
But I just think now with the bunk have we
(09:35):
slow everything down? You know everything, they slow the game
to down and they referee the game and slow and
you just can't do that with rugby league. I mean
it's a fast it's a fast paced game, it's a
contact sport. Yeah, it's just a difficult one. And to
throw another layer in that now mate, we've got players
laying down anytime they get touched on the head. And
that's you know, with the games created that you know,
(09:57):
because the players are just playing within the rules. So
now you know, you got blokes hold in the back
of their next You've got blokes holding ankles. You've got
blokes as soon as they get touched on the face
screaming and yelling at the RAF, laying down. So yeah, look, yeah,
I genuinely have real concern going into the semi final
series because if they don't fix this in the next
couple of weeks, it's going to cost a team of
Grand final or a semi final but the next week
(10:20):
so and if that happens, mate, there's going to be
real ramifications.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Bring take joins us. I suppose it's all well and
good saying this has to be solved in the next
couple of weeks, But how what actually can or has
to happen? How do you put the genie back in
the bottle again?
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Well, I think for a start, you get the bunker
out of it, you know, refereeing the game in slow
mae and going over every single tackle, you know, like
that that's one thing or made at the end of
the day. As I said before, you know, if you
hit someone in the in the head and that's you
get sent off, so you know, and that's just a
blanket rule. But again, we're going to have a game
where everyone's get sent off for ten minutes because it's
a contact sport. You know, at times you do come
(10:57):
up around the head. Whether it's a big contact or not,
it happens. So I know there's no quick fix for this,
is it? But mate, we've got to get something sorted
in the next couple of weeks. Otherwise, Like I said,
I've got genuine fears for this semi final series and
it's not going to be perfect. But maybe, Yeah, I
don't think it's a great look in the game at
the moment. When you've got two or three blows getting
(11:18):
sent off every in one game every week, it's just yeah,
I don't know, it's just not a good look for
the game. And I think we're all as fans and
clubs and players, we're all getting really frustrated with it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well, you're a former plane, you'd make a point on that.
You're all into being people's heads, being secret into looking
after that. Granted, we don't want to go back to
the shoulders to their head and the swinging arms and
the stiff arms and so on and so forth. But
there's I suppose has to be a happier medium. You
mentioned the bunker. Is there any way you can trim
(11:50):
that up, give them less control, or say, look, all
you can judge on is this that?
Speaker 6 (11:55):
Or Yeah. I just think we've got to take the
amount of times that they've review stuff, you know, I mean,
at the moment the review and had a highest some
three or four players go where players have just been
tapped in the head. They've got up, play the ball,
play on and there's nothing of it and they're getting
sent off. So mate, I just think the interference from
the bunk, I genuinely the more I talk about this,
(12:16):
I genuinely think the problem is the bunker and how
much they are interfering, because the rest, I think, have
a decent feel for the game, and you know, I
just think the less the bunker can interfere, the better
it is for the game, you know, for the flow
of the game, you know, And as I said, most
of the rest at the moment are doing a pretty
good job with getting things right. You know, there's always
going to be a bit of error make that's human nature,
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and that's happened forever in the day. But I just
think the interference from the bunker is just making it
absolutely diabolic.
Speaker 9 (12:43):
A lot of the.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Moment willingness the likelihood do you think they would be
brave enough to change the bunker that they've set their
stall out with it Is that a chance of even happening?
Maybe not before the finals, but maybe before the start
of the twenty five season.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
Oh look, I think there will definitely be a review
done next year. There has to be. There has to be.
All the minds have got to get together and fix
the mess that they've created at the moment, especially around
this head high stuff. So Mate, that's got to happen.
That will happen. It just has to because they don't,
you know, it's just going to get worse and worse.
So I get the feeling that there will be a
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you know, an end of the year summit or coming
together of the great one the game to try and
get some common ground here and figure out what's going
to be best for the game moving forward and what's
going to be best protecting the players moving forward. But look,
you know the lad is at the moment. Yeah, we're
probably going to have to run with that to the
end of the year. But as I said, mate, I
do have huge concerns going into the finals because I'd
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hate to see, you know, we've got a semi final
series and you have got two or three blogs from
Meeking going to the bin. You know that's going to
decide how the game goes. Mate. That's not a good product.
That's not what we're about, and we've never been about that.
So yeah, we'll see how it all plays out. I
guess the right.
Speaker 10 (13:57):
Call is your call on Sports Talk All on your
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Speaker 2 (14:03):
Talk eleven points. They are made by Brent Tait, huge
frustration in his voice. Of course, a former player completely
understands what it's like out there in the middle and
understands the speed of the game, the tempo of the game,
the confusion from referees and the ability, of course for
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people to get it wrong at high speed. What's happening
with rugby league is turning into rugby union. I'm sorry
to say that to rugby league fans. It's getting slower
and slower and slower. And this is one of the
glorious parts of rugby league.
Speaker 11 (14:41):
It's quick.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
It goes at a break neck pace. You hardly get
time to breathe. You've got to be fit, you've got
to be fast. Your decision making process is extraordinarily quick.
And this is starting to be sucked out of the game.
The constant ball in action, the constant play is disappearing
because the bunker keep climbing and I've seen something way
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back there. I have a look, go away, get out,
and the health of the player's paramount we get that,
we understand that, but I think that they've over dialed it,
They've overcorrected it. It's gone too far. I'll be interested
in your thoughts on this, the slow mow reffing concept.
(15:24):
Brent Tate said, like you slow everything down to an
nthh degree, How do you make a decision? How much
does it interfere with the game? And on further this.
I've had discussing with this on social media and talk
to people at the pub about it too. After what
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happened on Friday night with Stephen Krichton, isn't plenty obviously
shoulder of charge Rodger in their head it was how
you missed that? I don't know. You're going to have
situations like that where it gets missed. But it's not
just the Warriors, right. We concentrate on the so called
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bias when we look at the Warriors because we're the
only New Zealand team in the competition and they're picking
on us in the shaky eards and every team in
the NRL gets studded by the bunker and the referees.
Every team. We pay more attention to this because we're
focused primarily on the Warriors in the NRL. There'll be
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hardcore league fans out there who watch more than just
the Warriors every week. They watch maybe two, three four games,
maybe watch a highlights package. They'd be in a much
better position to judge whether the Warriors are getting duddled
or not. I honestly don't think they are. We see
it because we watch them, so we feel aggrieved. Nothing
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wrong with the way the Warriors been treated.
Speaker 11 (16:54):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
There's been a couple of games, both of them against
the Bulldogs as it turns out, where poor decisions were made.
Did that cost the Warriors a position of the top eight? No,
it didn't cost the Warriors the position in the top eight?
Is there inability to close out games? Is the inability
to put defense on the back of attack after getting
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off to a great start and then letting it all go.
It was also some pretty awful injury issues in the
back line, but there was a number of different reasons.
It wasn't this like your opinion, your your your impressions
of what went on here? Does it go too far?
Has the bunkie just got too much control? Is it
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wreaking the flow of the game. I think it is,
and I don't think we're being picked on as a team.
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Speaker 11 (18:31):
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Speaker 2 (18:34):
So there's eyebrows in the business in a ship that
I had to sit, not unlike them back in the day.
They've just announced about half an hour ago that they're
back together being the bros who hate each other, and
they have been touring again around England and Ireland. Hmm,
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my money says thar'll end up fighting and squealing again
and they'll call the tour off. So I think it's
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I kind of feel odd that people still think the
Wars are picked on and the NRL when it's plainly not.
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It's the systems that don't work and the inability of
their referees to provide a constant and possibly be the
last time I talk about this, because I think you've
got to accept the fact that people get it wrong
and they're fallible, and if you can't, don't watch the sport. Right.
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I think on balance, a better team that makes better decisions,
that doesn't get doesn't get knee capped by injuries terrible
pun is going to do better in the competition.
Speaker 11 (20:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
It doesn't help that sometimes you get the horrible pointy
pine apple and it helped, but it happens, and it
happens to all of these teams in the NRL. Forward
pass decisions, high tackle decisions, ball fumble decisions, dummy runners.
There's a lot of situations where it simply doesn't work.
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So in this situation, for me, you accept that the
next step on is take away power from the bunker.
Too much power O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you want to disagree on GRAMD this I love
to hear from you, and I think you you depower
their strength and you put it back in the hands
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to the referee. Now, this is something I've banged on
about for a couple of years. Now that the chances
of the the bunker and the referees getting it wrong,
I'd say just as high as they are without the bunker.
The any problem with the bunker and the TMO and
is it just takes in an ordinate amount of time
to get a decision out, which wrecks the flow of
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the game, not only for the people at home watching
it on TV, but for the crowd that are there.
That's what you love about league. It's so fast, just
keeps going, and you start tying the leagues together. Of
that concept, you're going to wreck your game. So take
seems to think things need to change. I don't believe
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it will change before the finals. But the beauty of
the NRL is they're their own competition. They make their
own rules, they do what they want to do, so
they can work with great speed. They're very nimble when
it comes to making decisions that affect their game. And
I think they listen to the crowd. They listen to
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the broadcasters, they listen to the people, the shareholders, that's us,
the audience, and work with what they want, which is great, unless,
of course, you're complaining Warriors fans, so they never listened
to us because they're all whites hob blogblin. But then
but they don't always kneecap the Warriors. I don't think
it's entirely based on us. Let's go to a couple
of texts are nineteen ninety two Z to b ZB
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for text into the program. Hey, suits, I can't believe
you are still going on about such a minor sport
in R not in my na. But that's called it
doesn't have a capital either. Is Murdock paying you out?
You desperate lot?
Speaker 11 (22:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
No, no, not at all. I think it's an interesting issue
and I'm approaching it, so there you go. It's okay,
Sorry Darcy. It is just the Warriors. The NRL doesn't
want them to succeed. I would you need to call
in and justify that statement, because we know when the
CEO of the Talco company that put money into the
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Warriors had a bit of a cry and gotten all
sorts of strife for suggesting that the referees in the
bunker ruhm corrupt. Dumb move. I'm sure he absolutely resents
and sorry regrets that statement still does not smart when
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you're in that competition like this, and already people think
you're picking on one team. If anything, subconsciously you're going
to make decisions that go in their favor, so you
avoid that kind of accusation, that criticism. But if you
look right across the NRL and all the games that
are being played, the Warriors aren't playing in every game.
(23:42):
You know that, don't you one a weekend? If that,
there are plenty of rubbish decisions. And so instead of
looking at and going we're being picked on, look at
it and say, what's wrong with the process here. That's
slowing down what was or once fantastic, quick, extraordinarily brutal
game of football. Too much control from the bunker needs
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to be pulled back. Put the control back in the
hands of the referees. You'll speed the game up. You'll
still get bad decisions, there will still be poor decisions.
You will never eradicate rubbish decisions unless you go along
with this guy, which I think is a fantastic a
(24:31):
tech just replaced the referees and the bunker with AI,
get rid of the human factor altogether. Then we can
rage against the machine if it gets it wrong. The
machine that probably get it right. More often than not,
wouldn't it At eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I'd
love your thoughts on that, Darcy the Warriors writes another,
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haven't been wronged by the bunker. All teams of the
decision go against them, no matter what sport. If you're
not good enough to win, you need to look at yourselves,
not anywhere else for excuses. Exactly that, Paul, and they
will get a bad call, and they will get a
poor call, but so will the storm, and so will
their eels, and so will the cowboys, and the list
goes on. We're not being exclusively picked on. Let's go
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to the phones now, and we're joined by Hi, Alex.
How are you?
Speaker 9 (25:26):
Yeah? Good?
Speaker 12 (25:26):
Thank you mate?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Ye're not so bad. What have you got to say
on this?
Speaker 13 (25:31):
Oh mate?
Speaker 14 (25:32):
You're talking about video referees and just a talk from
my head has been running around constantly. You know, you're
in the moment as a fan, and you've watched this
amazing tribe be scored and then the referee stops because
some of the vitails them there was an infringement about
ten or fifteen phases back. You're living in the moment,
celebrating it and then you're waiting for five minutes for
(25:54):
some video referee to tell you, oh, sorry made it's
gonna be a fuilty the other way. No, try what
a wonco of a referee that would be through in
the moment. And I think, you know, particularly with those
kinds of calls yet you know they might have been
an refreshmat but now it is so minor and then
the whole play and the whole game has ruins because
they lost the float. You know, there's video referee just
(26:15):
gets in there. And we saw the rctory World Cup final.
Actually yeah cost the All Blacks quite a few things.
And yeah, that's really cries my game. You see it
in soccer and football as well.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Well, it's said starting now, isn't that Now they've got
that ridiculous situation where they've got a var I think
it just sucks all of the energy out of the stadium.
And look, TV audiences are important, but the people in
the stadium actually go there. You get to a stage
when you go and you go, was there a try
to know, I might cheer if they call it, and
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that's not watching sport, is it? Alex?
Speaker 14 (26:51):
I agree? And look for me, you know, talking about
referees and their decisions. Make them was part of a
talking for it, part of the banter that you discussed
with your mates after the game.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
You know.
Speaker 14 (26:59):
It was one of those things that you're like, oh,
you made a shocking decision, but so what that was
part of it. You know, the referee was just as
much as part of the game. But now we're talking
about semantics up there every game and saying, oh, you
know that the video referee better hand in there, or
what they're put in there where it's not meant to
be and that sort of stuff. It's just it really
frustrates me. It's killing the game, killing all the sports
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that are having it. And what's even worse, it's meant
to make the decisions more perfect, but we're still seeing mistakes.
I mean, last season you saw Liverpool had a gold
that's allowed even though it wasn't offside and then they
lost the game and conspers it's ridiculous. Now you see
this thing in tennis recently with the ball do it
bounce or not? But apparently the video assistance that's available
(27:44):
at the tournament can't intervene on that particular course. So
we went with the umpire and the guy lost the game.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I mean, is it possible to stuff the genie back
in the bottle? That's the problem, isn't it, Alex? Because
once it's out there, we know we have the ability
to have another look. Would there be a resistance amongst
the viewing public to actually go, no, we're not doing
this anymore and throw it away? What is it in Sweden,
Scandinavia somewhere that actually they never took the VR on board,
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so they reckon it took away from the energy of
the game. There's no point. They don't want it, mate,
and that's brave. I wonder if we could actually go backward.
Speaker 14 (28:21):
Well, yeah, that's why I'm watching rugby sometimes.
Speaker 11 (28:25):
Yeah, good point.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Hey, Alex, thanks very much for your call. And you
go back to old games. Do you ever watch any
old games of rugby on TV? They pop up in
sky from town to time to time, and there are
there are some terrible decisions, But I don't think we
remember the games of the past with some terrible decisions.
Remember them because they flowed and they played didn't stop.
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You know that sport these days is just waiting for
someone to hit pause. More of your calls coming up
next eight hundred eighty ten eighty yours. Please, we're talking
the tyranny of a bunker. It's not anti wise, it's
just anti football.
Speaker 15 (29:09):
Stop it.
Speaker 11 (29:23):
Yeah, rasis on the comeback.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
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for stealing your text. But this person is so stoked
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Speaker 15 (30:18):
Hi.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
I understand that a player you know can make it
wrong sision, but after the game, the coach and the
captain have to turn up to an interview to say, hey,
what happened there?
Speaker 15 (30:35):
Now?
Speaker 9 (30:36):
I can't you know, all teams get ripped off in Australia.
The Warriors have to be better than that. But my
question is I want that guy from the bunker to
front up to the media conference after where the players
and the coach have to and explain how he wasn't
sure whether a shoulder charge to the head of a
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Warriors player, wasn't it? You know, that's the only justice.
I can't change the result of the game or anything,
but I want that referee to explain to me how
how when you watch that? Now? The problem with that
is I've watched the cricket in the third umpire and
I have watched the making decision that I didn't see
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what I know I saw.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
So yeah, I think that did that. Though, what would
you get out of the me and go? Well, I
saw something different, like it's right there in front of
you while I called against it. Sorry, I mean, I
don't know what we'd achieve out of that. And when
it's so hard to get people into refereeing anyway, if
you start making a point out of criticizing the referees,
I think it's probably a slippery slope. I think just
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take the control away from the bunker more and more
so they can have a call around an egregious piece
of violence and otherwise that's about it. Just go away.
Wouldn't that be easier? Yeah, it's just an idea, Daniel,
Thanks very much for calling through, Mark.
Speaker 12 (32:06):
How are you you guys?
Speaker 13 (32:09):
Not much watch specially last week the game there.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Was there were thirty high tackle calls, which represents about
eight percent of all of the calls made so far
this year. The referees panicked and they all started calling everything.
Speaker 13 (32:27):
In ral is still a great game and it ran quite
well through the week, you know, so there is no
issue about I think TMO is coming. It's all It hurts,
but you know it was a how many points would
have been added through the whole weekend all of the
team nearly three four hundred.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Do you not feel, as an a league fan watching her though,
that the game grinds to a horrible hole more often
than not.
Speaker 13 (32:55):
No, No, I'm surprised you go out except much of
your ton, to be honest, But why are you talking
about the test coming up? The Warriors are done?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Well, you're not talking about there either, because I wasn't
talking about that. The Test is coming up and we'll
get there eventually.
Speaker 11 (33:14):
Hey, Raj, how are you okay?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (33:18):
I just wanted to talk about this whole bunker scenario.
I think we're better off without any of that. I
think what's happening is when you got that that that
fallback for referees. But why can't we just actually invest
in better refereeing rather than var bunker, all those sort
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of things and bring back that that element of human
human eraror hey we make here is it's part of
the part of the passion of the game.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
All is it difficult? Is that when you've got all
of the technology in the world and still get it wrong,
you go, what's the point? Because it slowed everything down,
cost a whold of money and have we really is
it any It might be five percent better, does that matter?
That's what I said about going back to the those days,
you go, there's a discussion point around what happened. I
don't think pop will look back at the old days
and go it was terrible. It was quick, it was entertaining,
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and that's what it was.
Speaker 12 (34:10):
Absolutely, even the English Premier League was entertaining. Yes, there
were calls that didn't go right. You know, this bunker hole,
this whole bunker scenario has slowed down league completely, even
though it's still regarded as a fast game compared to rugby.
But you know, we're we're becoming almost like gredline. You know,
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we're a game that probably essentially could could go for
two hours, goes four and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Like you're so right, because I get there and I'm
watching the league. I was like, that was a great
tribe that I don't really know yet. I'll wait and
then I'm sure as the references up and goes, oh,
I think we've seen something back there, and it's like
whatever it detracts from the immediacy of the exchange and
the joy of the frailty of the human state, that's
probably a bit over the top. Rise, But you know
(34:59):
what I'm.
Speaker 12 (34:59):
Saying, right, I don't think it's over the top. I
think you know, when you're watch an AB's game. We're
going to be watching the ABS game this weekend. You know,
there'll be a choice scored and I'll be pausing and waiting,
not not celebrating or not not you know, throwing my
arms in the EU if it's the box scoring. You know,
like all that, all that entertainment, all their emotion you
(35:21):
feel during the game, it's being stolen. It has been stolen,
being stolen from it.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, and Rise, thanks so much for you, col We
make a great point. I'm tended to get up and
actually watch the All Blacks live because I very rarely
do it these days because I'm elderly and a rather
video and watch it with you baking and eggs in
the morning, and just there we'll say I'm not going
to get up for it. I'll get up for it
an hour later. I'll record it. I'll watch an hour delay,
(35:46):
so when they start, when they're messing around, just far
forward through it. What kind of fanom A thirteen minutes
away from eight tennis up next Craig at Gabriel as
our man on the spot over at Flushing Meadows. We're
talking at day one of the fourth and final tennis
major of the year, the US Open. This is the
news talks here b Spark, no.
Speaker 9 (36:10):
On sid.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Let's get it right now. Day one of the US Open,
the last tennis major of the year. Gabriel as pers
ow man on the spot, Greig, welcome to the program.
Can you summarize the first day for it? The ups
and downs, the ins and outs, what happened?
Speaker 15 (36:35):
It's the US Open. It's impossible to do something like that.
It's just the craziest thing.
Speaker 16 (36:42):
Look, there was so much going on and there were
some interesting results, but overall relatively straightforward, with most of
the highly fancied players all moving through the likes of
the two defending champions, Cocoa golf and Novak Djokovic both
winning very comfortably in straight sets. Therese would be a
(37:04):
couple of our highlights, and then the champion from twenty
twenty over here, the covid Us Open, which played behind
closed doors. Champion from that Your Dominique team lost in
the first round to Ben Shelton, and that's it for
him as far as Majors is concerned. I think he's
got one more tournament to play before he totally retires
from the sport.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
So you're going to have damage like that in the
first round. It's always going to happen. You just expect that,
don't you.
Speaker 11 (37:31):
Not.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
All the top players are going to get it right
come the first round. So when you lose players like that,
you go, wow, someone had to go right.
Speaker 16 (37:39):
Well, yeah, but Dommy team has had his fair share
of injuries over the last couple of years, and he
decided that he just couldn't keep on trying and then
kept breaking down all over again. I mean, his ranking
has plummeted, He's not the player he used to be,
and he was beaten by the number thirteen seed Ben Shelton.
But still, I mean, he's had a tremendous career, and
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he is the winner of a major and that's something
that can never be taken away from him.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Let's look at the New Zealand Connicks and here Lulu Soon,
who said the most fantastic time of it of recent months,
he's unfortunately. Can you tell us more about the circumstances
in which she retired, the injury in son and so forth.
Speaker 16 (38:21):
Craig, Yeah, absolutely, Look, I thought this was going to
be this was the reasoning behind it, and she confirmed it.
She pulled out of the match or retired from the
match after losing the first set six ' to three,
and she was playing Lucia Bronzetti of Italy. It wasn't
as if Bronzetti was playing out of her mind, but
it was just the fact that Lulu was struggling physically.
(38:45):
The glutes were just not working. She wasn't able to
move properly. And a lot of that has really come
around because of the quick turnaround she had. She reached
the final in modern Ray on the weekend and was
playing the first day of the US Open. So getting
from one side of the country to another, not so
much that it's a massive massive, but when you've played
(39:08):
a lot of matches and not really had that sort
of a.
Speaker 15 (39:12):
Break coming into a major.
Speaker 16 (39:14):
It you know, the muscles can tighten up and some
nerves work in and all that. So she says she
was doubly disappointed with the point that I made to her,
the fact that she had done so well at Wimbledon,
reaching the quarter finals and wasn't able to continue with
that here at the US Open. But you know, it's
all experience for her and she'll know better for the
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next time.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
So it wasn't something she picked up Monterey. It was
just a fake. Her body was stressed, it was a
new injury.
Speaker 15 (39:40):
Great look, she was.
Speaker 16 (39:42):
Sort of feeling it, I think in Moderrey, and then
it just got progressively worse during the match.
Speaker 15 (39:49):
And then there was a.
Speaker 16 (39:50):
Bit of a very brief break because there was some
little bit of drizzle. So you know, you stop playing
in the middle of a match and muscles seese up
as well while you're waiting. So it's just unfortunate that
it had to end this way for her, because you know,
she had she got through, more than likely.
Speaker 15 (40:09):
She would have been playing Arena Sabalinka.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I think it is so we've got more first round
X and for the women tomorrow, including the number one seeds.
Fyon takes involved in the other games you look out for.
Speaker 16 (40:23):
Yeah, look, I mean today, as was suggesting, was absolutely manic.
Speaker 15 (40:27):
Tomorrow is crazy.
Speaker 16 (40:30):
Shreontek first up, then Yannick Sinner and how how's the
crowd going to treat Janick? Hopefully they'll be respectful to
him because you know he's been caught up in that
band substance situation, which he's been totally cleared off. I
stress and hasten to add that, but sometimes people just
(40:53):
don't agree with decisions, and you know, they feel that
they're the judge and jury. So I hope he's treated
well and with respect. He's he's a great guy and
I believe him one hundred and fifty percent at night.
Speaker 15 (41:05):
Carlos Alcarez has.
Speaker 16 (41:06):
Got an Australian lead to a twenty eight year old
who went away from tennis and came back, so this
is going to be quite an experience for him. Daniel
Medvedev is an action I think probably the best women's
match of the first round. Elena Ostapenko coming up against
Naomi Osaka, and another interesting women's first round Bianca Andrescu,
(41:27):
who was a winner here a couple of years ago,
up against this year's French Open and Wimbledon finals. Just
mean Paulini. But the list keeps on and on, I
mean with incredible and fascinating matches for day two of
the Open.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
And yourself, who do you like to get toward the
point today? In any particular? Players are standing out to you? Yeah,
I just named your list of twenty then, so I
who have you got?
Speaker 16 (41:51):
Oh, it's so difficult even at it's such an early stage,
and anything can happen at these tournaments. When you look
at the result that Stane Stevens who won this but
seven eight years ago she was up six love, four
to one against the young French player Clara Burrell and
collapsed and lost love six seven five seven five. You know,
(42:11):
so those sort of results can suddenly crop up. But look,
I don't know at this point. I think it's still
a bit early, and you know, give it out of
the round or two and things will start shuffling around
and we'll get a bit, hopefully a bit of a
better idea. But it's always difficult to go past the
big guns. You know, Novak goes on and defends the
(42:31):
title will be the first time a man has defended
the US Open since Roger Fedder in two thousand and seven.
In two thousand and eight, so I didn't think it
was I forgot it was that long ago.
Speaker 15 (42:43):
So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
That's a mad stet that might be worth putting a
quiet five bucks on one thing. I can guarantee though,
Craig Gabriel, as my old friend Graham AGAs used to say,
it's more like a hostage crisis than a tennis tournament
because it goes for so long and so late. So
we're wishing you the best. You better whip home and
grab yourself some sleep, mate, if you've head into at all.
Speaker 15 (43:05):
Yeah, I'm wondering if I've had any, but thanks, I'll
try and do that.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Thank you, Craig Gabriel. That's it and Smiddlesitch, thanks for
producing the program with Darcy Watergreave. Thanks for listening. Thank
you tomorrow at seven here on News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
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