February 5, 2025 • 41 mins
D’Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap today's sporting news. Highlights for tonight include:
Sir Buck Shelford - Former All Blacks Captain
Jack Mesley - Super Rugby CEO
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
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rugby tonight, Rugby the national game. Jack Measley joins the
slatter in the PC's the Super Rugby pacifica CEO. Sorry,
Super Rugby Pacific CEO. They launched their competition today in Sydney.
What have they done to change it from last year?
(01:22):
Last year was a good comp Not too many people
are going to argue about that, especially because the Crusaders
didn't win. I think that made last year's competition fantastic
for every other fan of the country. But there was
some very attractive rugby and it looked like the referees,
the linesman tmos actually started playing a game that kind
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of almost resembled a game we love. Will that carry
on this year? As Jack Mesley and his crew at
Super Rugby Pacific, dragged them into a small dark room
and explained to them a few things about fan engagement.
We'll find out Jack is going to join us at
around about quarter to eight up. First, Sir Buck Shelfer
(02:04):
joins it. Sir Wayne shelf Buck form All Blacker, captain,
pioneer of the Hacker. We all know now TJ Petty
Nara in essence this article written by Gregor Paul part
in The Herald today. He blindsided the All Blacks with
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the Michi at the start of the Haker and the
last test match he had up against Italy. They didn't
see it coming, pulled a bit of wall over, a
few eyes, cause an absolute ruckus. Now it's all come out. Ah.
I got my opinions on this. I'm going to share
them with you shortly after I've spoken with Buck. But
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then I'm like you to share yours with me. Around
the support and around a personal political statement without the
support of your team in an all black jersey.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah nah, before any of that, Let's do this today.
In Sports Today, mirthful Vern got her coach of the
reigning Super Rugby Pacific champs, The Blues is very conscious
of the heavy tolls super rugby you can have on pivots.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Be's sure though his quiver of tens will all play
a part in their title defense.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Ten like Harry's done really well, body's back in Stevie.
You'll be coming back and in shortly he's carrying a bit
of a slight injury, so see where he starts. But
the injuries are part of it. Form and resting and rotating,
and we'll need all those players.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Phoenix gaffer Gian Carlo chief Italiana, has confirmed a testing
scenario presented to the club whilst trying to plug the
import gap that David balls departure left.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
A bit of a unique case.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Probably would have been done earlier, about a week ago,
but when we vatiled this hiding, we'll just make it
clear what the what the scenario was.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Silver Fern's coach Damon Noline that toua expected rust when
her team got slapped by the Swifts, had much corrosion.
That's all good, so that one got's fine. We got
a plan and worry.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
About We had just done skill sets and then we're
out here, so it was expected that there'll be a
level of rustiness, which is why this camp was set
up in the first place to ensure we can identify
what those gets are.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And look, Don is still processing his surprise trains for
in the NBA, from the Maps to the Lakers. You
think you were shocked, try being him.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
I was almost a slip. So when I got a call,
I had to check it was April first. I didn't
really believe it at first. It was a bit shock.
It was hard moments for me. It was it was home.
As I said, you know, I get to play in
the greatest club in the world, and I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I'm glad you're getting well paid. Deal with the trip.
And that's sport today.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
What do.
Speaker 8 (05:10):
There?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It is TJ Pettinara leading the Harker and his last
a Test match and that line essentially causing a lot
agree for n z R. And as it turns out
later on the piece, the players didn't really know it
was coming. They were blindsided, to hijacked to a degree,
were they even deceived, possibly by TJ. We're going to
(05:33):
talk about that then we're going to take your cause.
On eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We're joined now
by former All Black captain, a man behind the resurgence
of the Harker back in the day. Buck, welcome to
the show. Good evening, mate, I'm very very well. I
hope you are as well. Another big story around the
Hawkers come out around TJ. Pettinara, whether he was speaking
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for the team, whether he had permission, should he have
done it or not? I suppose the first question here,
should he have asked for what he was? What he
said as wet presentative of the entire all black side.
Speaker 9 (06:14):
Well, I think that possibly yes, he should have. But
at the same time, it was his last game in
the Jersey and he decided to get on with it
and do it and you know, say his peace and
then lo and behold. You know, the next week he's
in Japan, you know. But you know, at the end
of the day, you know, it's one of the things
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we're always fighting for. We're fighting for our real to
be taught in all the schools properly and all this stuff.
And you know, now we've got you know, hakas have
been done in every team in New Zealand basically now
he is doing it in and not all of them
are on TV, but some of them aren't. And I
think that you know, way of a period TJ. Dunn.
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You know they probably would have if he would have
asked the players the management, they would have taken a
couple of months to try and work it all out,
and the probably thought, no, just do it and get
on with them and wait for the consequences.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Blindsided the players not knowing the content of the miki
at the start, and you understand why they might be.
Their feathers may be roughley, that.
Speaker 9 (07:21):
Could be right, not our understanding what it's all about
because it's not there. Well, they're only doing what they know.
In regards to the Hucker itself, and the calling that
goes on by the cloutle is basically he actually says
things that he not not always wants to say, but
he's got a message there to send out to other
people anyway, you know, before he goes into the haker.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So when it comes to leading the hacker, you represent
everything about that hackerl Like when you stand up the front,
would they met at the start? Do you speak as
an individual for the whole? Is that genuinely how it's
seen in Martyr them?
Speaker 8 (08:02):
Well?
Speaker 9 (08:03):
Yes, and though you know Mary them as you know
as you can't we're all different. E wei from different things.
We got different tea ung things like that. Most of
tea canger is different around the country from ee ewe.
And yeah, certain things happen and ewe that we wouldn't
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do up where I'm from and things like that. But
it is what it is. And you know, when you
get up and like it. You get up and you're
talking about the tret last year at White Tonguey and
basically these guys up there just just screaming at the
top of their voices and and talking and basically ridiculing
the government and things like that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It is.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
It's a it's a fight to fight, to fight, you know,
for Mary and to actually get better, better things going
for them all of stuff. And in regards to what
the treaty says, yeah, and so things, I don't think
it's you know, to do it there in a testament.
I don't think it's the right place to do it.
If you and I actually talk about it, go and
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talk with the politicians.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, was there any deception do you think from TJ
because they didn't know.
Speaker 9 (09:15):
I mean, I don't know whether there was a deception
or not. I just say if he didn't want to
ask the team. He'd done it for his reasons, which
are probably nothing could get through, would throw everyone wo disagree,
or they would actually be up and down. You know,
fifty persent might say yes and the other fifty say no.
Management probably say no. You know, things like that.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Does this strike you though? Sorry, Buck, it's a little
on the self recite if he's representing the all blacks
and a Harker and he believes one thing speaking for
everybody on one hundred percent behind what he's doing. But
I think that's that's mean to the other players who
didn't know what he was doing and was seen to
buy into it.
Speaker 9 (09:54):
Yeah, well they brought into it by doing it, but
they were there anyway. They didn't understand. Lot of them
didn't understand what they're saying. But Marty then did and
they probably they would probably recognize what he was talking about,
you know. And for Marty and you know, that's that's
that's their copper. And at the end of the day,
he just ad lived on the day, probably more than
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anything else. And I saw it, but I actually wasn't
listening to all what he was saying. I was just
watching the hut to herself and then out of the room.
But notwithstanding that, at the end of the day, you know,
we have to start asking permission to do things, you know,
and I think that it would have been the right
way to go, but he just didn't do it. And
(10:38):
a little bit like anyway here he actually standing up
and singing the national anthem to the whole of the
world in regards to opening up a big Test match
and basically no one knew if she was going to
do it.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
In Mary first, it's an essence begging for forgiveness as
opposed to asking for permission.
Speaker 9 (10:56):
Yeah, I suppose you know, you're right, but at the
end of the day, you know, not everybody likes the
hucker anyway, you know, and answering is so at the
end of the day, you know, the upset people doing it,
you know, they get more upsets. You break the protocols
of what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Anyway, Would you have done it but with something that
you would have done.
Speaker 9 (11:15):
Oh not really, But at the end of the day,
I would have done something that that That was probably
you know, in my day it was a little bit different.
It was quite different back in our day. We actually
you know, I didn't even speak that illback in those days.
I don't speak a lot now, but you know, to
do that actually it always something special, you know, there's
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something special New Zealand. And I think keeping it to
sound and straight to the point of doing the get
on with it and finish it off and do it
well is what we were after more than anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
When you started and the hakka became as it is now,
it wasn't just a shabby dance that no one knew
it was all about, and it suddenly came with with
real meaning for the side. Did you feel, as the
captain though, that everybody had buying? Everybody agreed and you
were that repers.
Speaker 9 (12:11):
There was no pushback at all, No everyone and sowing
is so back in the early days, probably before my time,
the buy in from the players was not there. They
didn't like doing it if they done it, or if
they were forced to do it. So at the end
of the day, you know, we needed to have buying
from the whole of the team and the management and
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so you know, you go along there and your formers
get better and better at it, and now they got
their own honker, you know, Mary Orbs got their own honker.
The women's teams have got their own answers and it's
grown exponentially. And so as now this is the the
I'm going to following down the pj's TJ's voice that
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we don't want our our cup of hacker caught it already,
he's saying different meanings. There are different things at the start.
And as you know in this little caught it all
before the hacker.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Starts, Well, he's opened the door for and now hasn't
he Wayne Shell for joining the program? So what about
future use of the Harker for political messages? Is that
something you'd buy into yourself?
Speaker 9 (13:17):
No, not really, it's not the place for it. If
you want you want to talk about political going with
political messages, go and talk to the politicians. Nail them
after the after the game when you couldn't always always
going to be up in the room where you are
at the end of the day, at the Aftermax Fund.
So that's the place to do your messaging is with
the politicians. Then, because I want to be by you,
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because you have just won a this mess.
Speaker 10 (13:39):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports men,
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Speaker 2 (13:48):
It'd be so Wayne Buckshell with there joining us on
Sports Talker's opinions on the TJ Bettinarra situation today. It
was revealed by Gregor Paul and He's hell inherld that
there was a sense of division within the All Blacks,
between the All Blacks and management and so on and
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so forth. When TJ Patinara chose to speak how he
spoke before the Harker in his final game up against
Italy made a lot of people very uncomfortable, and from
the story, it made a lot of people in his
team uncomfortable. Where to from now? TJ? Should he have
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had unanimous support from his fellow All Blacks before he
started with that? That me he that short speech before
he rolled into the Harker. The political statements actually need
sign off from the organizations. I think in this case
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that yet he did need to support. I think in
this case, when you use the vehicle of the All
Black jersey, which is enormous, it's very powerful, it's very strong,
reverberates throughout the world, before you use that as a platform,
you must have the backing of your team, otherwise it
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just becomes a personal statement from TJ. Pettinara and he's
using the power of something that isn't his to push
forward his own political viewpoints. Now, it's not like he
screamed for warfare and bloodshed and to burn Parliament of
the ground. It was pretty timid what he said. And
(15:40):
for the record, I agree with where it's going with this.
I'm completely for it. But that's not the issue here.
It's not what I stand for. It's not what TJ.
Pettinara stands for. And he's a very passionate man, you
get that. But the choice of platform without the backing
of in Ze or all of his team, this is
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a different story. I shouldn't have done it. I don't
think it was a smart decision. It was a very
emotional decision. He thought, Here I am, I can roll
some third al marty, I can say something is dead
in my heart and I've got the world looking at me.
The last time I'm going to do this leading the harker.
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I want to make an effect before I go out,
not about you or your cause. No problem with his politics,
get what he was saying. I understand why he was
pissy as because I think, well, I know I am,
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but no, not not with all that Jersey or not
without the support everybody. That's a bad move. Sorry, not
with you on that one, TJ. What do you guys think? Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open. Does
he need unanimous support? Yes, yes he does. Argue with me.
It was a call one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
My name's Darcy, this News Talk MB, one hundred facts.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
My food ain't touched.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I guess I said, he baby's solid Downa's.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
Make it less?
Speaker 11 (17:17):
You said, where's the fun in there?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Let's go person.
Speaker 10 (17:23):
The right call is your call on eight hundred and
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Speaker 2 (17:32):
Already so funer good to my guess seven sports talk
on News Talk ZB. You're take into account the texts
that have been flooding in. He has zero support. Let's
go to the phones now, Laurence good evening.
Speaker 12 (17:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (17:52):
Can I make wrong on every level? I mean, you know,
representing your country, there's a privilege and the privilege of
leaving the harker and using that to express your personal
political views is just so wrong. And what annoys me
is the rugby the rugby usual in rugby union should
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have sanctioned him, but like everybody else, are too scared
to say anything that might be anti Maury because the
Maori Party would straight away label them as racist. And
it's just so wrong.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Mate. I was surprised in the country, Lawrence. I was
surprised when you see the story there that there was
basically an ultimatum. If you don't let me do this,
I'm walking. And they did, and I'm like, Wow, they'd
probably think we'll deal the blowback from this rather than
the blowback from something else. I don't think there was
strong leadership. If indeed that is the case.
Speaker 13 (18:49):
Absolutely absolutely they should have said, mate, you know, you
can have your personal political opinions, but representing your country
on the national stage is not the place to espouse them.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, Lawrence, thanks for your call. Then we say sanctioned.
Think if you believe what you read, it was a
case of here's my ultimatum, I'm walking if you don't
let me say something. That should have said, fine walk
who's running the show? Who's running the show? Is it
in running it or is a half back running it
(19:26):
out of Wellington? That's that's alarming, Hi, Tom, Yeah, I.
Speaker 12 (19:32):
Go from the CEO, he's he come on with Heather
duple celu there just before Christmas, and he still couldn't
come bring himself to speak about the problem. Yeah, that's
that's what I'd be going for. Pj's just a symptom
of the woke of them that's taken off from the
All Blacks. It's quite sad that, struggling as it is
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without this sort of carry on and the hart, he
gets a hard enough time. Don't dd to it, PJ.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I don't think it was. And if he looks back,
or maybe he doesn't think, I think bringing this into
focus through one of his own personal political ideals was
not smart for the general well being of the Harker
and of Marty Than and of the All Blacks wasn't
a smart or considered move. I think at all.
Speaker 12 (20:19):
Pr skills were very basically zilch. And it's a shame.
I remember when you wanted to go and play rugby
league there about five or six years ago. Go and play.
I don't advertise the fact, dude, he was trying to
do a deal. He does it out in the public,
he does it on a lot of funds. He wore
his political colors on his on his sleeves, he didn't,
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I wouldn't know what Richie mccaus well, I wouldn't know
any of the other all blacks, but I knew that
guy well. And I'm just so glad Aaron Smith played
so so well as a half fact that he limited
his time in front of TV for me.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Tom, thanks very much for that. With political moves and
statements and falling into this as a sports person, I
get it, I understand it. You've got a big platform.
Whenever used to like it particularly, but when so many
people listen to you and accept your ideas, you can
understand why people do it. But not as a representative
of a team. You can't speak for your whole team.
(21:16):
You stand out alone and do it. Knock yourself out.
Don't represent a team, don't speak for a team. Not cool? Hi, Henriata, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 14 (21:28):
I think the question is would TJ have done it
if it wasn't his last game?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
A good question? What do you think?
Speaker 14 (21:39):
I don't think he would have done it if it
was his last game. He had too much to lose,
but he had nothing to lose being his last ever game.
And I also think it does reflect on the man himself.
I've never really been a big TJ fan, and I
just think that showed him for what he really is.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Interesting way to sign off, isn't it, he in riata,
because that is the last taste in the mouth of
New Zealand rugby fans, Like, really, you made a statement
and did that before he left, and that was it.
Because now everyone thinks about the end of your career
as being something well you have a step your mark.
That ain't cool. That's not what a team is all about. Yeah, yeah, thanks, Henritta,
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thanks very much for your call. Thanks for calling through.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open. It's
twenty eight minutes. Whoops, I'm just slipped on something. There's
twenty eight minutes away from eight like caraus.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
How are you?
Speaker 13 (22:34):
You know?
Speaker 8 (22:34):
Mate? Talking about the protest Tucker from TJ. Look, he
was given the opportunity and was allowed to do it
by someone higher up, whoever that was. But I remember
back to the year where Josh kronfelled.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
CD Yeah, the CNDB.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Yeah yeah, that's right against the anti nuclear in the Pacific.
And then we've also had over the years prime ministers
or ministers whatever it's mingling with the I think we
need to get politics out of the game, because the
all Blacks are the true representation of all of us together.
Why you know, that's what europeans sar Marlin's tongue and
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moldy everybody together. The last thing we need to do
is ruined that beautiful fabric by chucking politics into it.
So I think no more Prime ministerial visits to the
shed home minister is hanging around like butterflies trying to
get a knife photo. Just let them be a rugby
team because that's what they are, just a rugby team.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So outside we all know the kronfeil that with a
campaign for nuclear disarm and that peace sign CND sign
and what he did obviously very heartfelt around that. I
don't think that is as deep as leading a harker
and expressing the apendency expressed. I think it more sits
on Josh Confell. But I completely understand about using the
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all black jersey as a weapon to fight for your
cause outside of the game. When you're not on your jersey,
I get it. I understand that you've got a profile
people are going absolutely, but when you're actually in the jersey,
playing the game on the park, do.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
It outside of the Jersey, because the Jersey is a
representation of the whole country, not your political point of view.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's not about you.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
It's not about you or your view. You're here to
represent all of us, even the people you disagree with.
So take politics out of rugby and we all remember
that tour and the argument was take politics out of
sport and FIFA have got it right. Rugby Union doesn't.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
That's a really interesting statement. FIFA have got it right.
I think I've heard that before in twenty five years
broadcasting on your Chrissy. Thanks very much for your thoughts.
Really appreciated. It's twenty five minutes to eight more call.
Is it still to come? I won't be reading out
all the text because it's a tidal wave. I'm drowning here.
I'm being sucked out to see again, yay seven eight
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sports look on news talk. He has been a clarity here.
What t J. Pettinarra said in itself was not divisive.
I don't believe so at all. It's the fact that
he said it without the backing of his teammates that's
the divide. That's that's what I'm struggling with. As you
all know, I'm as work as the next guy. Believe
this whole look into the treaty thing is anyway, it
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doesn't matter. It's a sports show. I can't climb into that.
But what he said wasn't actually that intense. But he
shouldn't have said it because he didn't have the backing
of his teammates. Theren is the issue forever, the strength
of the land and forever, the strength of independence forever,
the Treaty of White Honey, that's what he said. Well
that's the English version anyway. Just stew you.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
See how you're doing, that's on your mind.
Speaker 15 (26:19):
That's helping you year to you. Yeah, it's an interesting one.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
I must have.
Speaker 15 (26:23):
When I first saw it, I was I was a
bit disappointed Adam as a as an individual and and
he obviously used it as a as a bit of
a parting shop sort of thing. Something that does get
break me a little bit. And the subjects been on
the show all day to all day to day, and
I kind of listened to I got on the radio
(26:43):
this morning. They really got my back up. He basically
basically said the said that, you know, my Maori did
a pretty good ride when it comes to New um
and rugby and I found myself shicking Mane a guy
who was on the shape. Yeah, I'll talk that call.
And just basically, you know a lot of people shouldn't
(27:06):
shouldn't forget you know, they talk about politics not getting
involved in sport. I'll tell you what you could have
done with some divide intervention from the New Zealand government
pre nineteen seventy when Maori players couldn't get us South Africa, Steve.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
We know the history of this now and there's these
things with this though, And I'm talking about TJ actually
making a political statement on behalf of the all Blacks
without their back up. That's what grades to me.
Speaker 15 (27:33):
Yeah, absolutely, And it's like I totally one hundred percent
sort of sort of go along with it. I mean,
I say, this guy's as say said, I'll watch another
game of rugby again, and I'm doing really seriously. You know,
it's just some of it, some of it just gets
at a little bit out of hand, is what I'm saying.
(27:53):
I think, you know, sometimes I think some people should
think about what they're actually saying, well, the way that
they're actually con constructing their argument. I mean, in the main,
I certainly don't agree with what he did. I agree
with the lady was on before. I think he just
took the opportunity because he knew he was on the
way up. I don't think he ever done it if
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it was earlier in his career.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I think selfish might be a sternish word. I think
it is. It didn't really show any respect or consideration
for his teammates and more importantly the black jersey. Again,
I got no issue with what he said, it's when
he said it, and with the backing of whom there's
the issue, Like Trevor, how are you tonight.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Hey, darks right?
Speaker 8 (28:40):
Yeah good, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11 (28:42):
Look, I expressed my views on TJ. I mean TJ
is a self appointed morals moral expert, not his views.
He thinks he's the extort. I mean, when you look
back at TJ, he wore his little bit about the
feature land in Auckland. He actually got the guy who
had shared in the hurricanes, got him kicked out of
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it because he thought that what this man said was racist.
Like TJ, he was the man to work it out,
so this guy had to sell his shares in the hurricane.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
The backing of the depth to that story tever the
main thing here for me is that he didn't have
the backing of his teammates to do this.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
So I know you did right, And I was just
going to say that dares he. But the other thing
I want to say, of course, TJ also is very
vocal with israelow telling us we shouldn't have the same
views Israel, we should have the same views as so
he's always been a little bit of a as I say,
social justice warrior. And look, I think t J would
have done it if it wasn't his last game. And
(29:39):
just on your point, what a team man, you know TJ?
On TV or the team, It's all about the team.
Team is number one. It's all about the team. That's
what makes us a great team. Yet what did he
do is do his team? He was going to walk
out on them?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah yeah, and this is ongoing. He's mild to make
him and me do It's like that to me, doesn't
scream all blacks and doesn't scream team. And that's that's
poor and unfortunately, Trivia, that's probably what he's going to
be remembered for that the last shot he fired before
he left, people will go, well, you know you did this,
you did that, and I get this, and I get that,
(30:13):
but that was a really crappy way to walk.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
It.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Really, it really was. And I go back to it.
The device of nature is not what he said. It's
the fact that he said it without the backing of
the All Blacks, without the backing of the end z arm.
Where they sit within this here and how complicit they
are in that decision. Would you could move it on
to then say, well, if you had an idea and
(30:40):
there was an ultimatum, you should have pulled him straight away.
And as a caller pointed out before, But then would
they feel that they were being People would say, you're
being a racist. You can't do this. It's so complex.
Maybe he got what he wanted, he got a discussion
around it, but I don't think it's the discussion.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
He was after.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Seven forty four Sports Talk caer on Newstalks be Steve Wright.
So he wasn't speaking out of turn for the All Blacks.
He was speaking out of turn for the whole order fans.
He tried to total that of respect for the responsibility
he was given and also how bugger the leadership is
throughout the union. There's plenty more. I'm going to run
(31:26):
through them all because you haven't got the time anyway.
Coming up next, we're going to talk rugby, Super Rugby Pacific.
It's the facially underway which are launched today. Jack Messi,
the CEO of Super Rugby Pacific, is going to join
us next. Talk about that launch, what changes this time around,
what they need to strengthen, what they need to flush.
(31:47):
It's coming up next here on sports Talk on news
Storks toive away from eight Sports Talker on news till
(32:09):
ZB on Wednesday evening fifty three, twenty twenty five and
Darcy water Grave coming up now we are talking the
launch of Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty five. The CEO
of Super Rugby Pacific it joins us now. His name
is Jack Nesley.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Good evening, Good evening, Darthy. How are you very well?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Probably not quite as excited or maybe exhausted as you
are because Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty five it was
launched today. So now she she's all on for love
or money.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
That's right.
Speaker 16 (32:41):
Yeah, We've had a great morning in Sydney with representatives
from all eleven clubs to launch the season and yeah
very much looking forward to kickoff next Friday, Friday, fourteenth February.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And also it was announced that you hold your Player
of the Year, which was released yesterday. But the fantasy
game that you've been talking about for a while, you've
released that hound as well. It's not a second too soon,
only a week out from it. You can't that find,
didn't you, Jack? We did?
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Yeah, So it's a late call to get it up
and running.
Speaker 16 (33:15):
So you know, I underestimated some of the things that
we needed to get ticked off. But it's going live
on the seventh, so this week, and yeah, guys and
girls will have a week to get their Round one
Fantasy tips in. So yeah, not a moment too soon,
But we're excited that it's up and running and.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
We're pretty confident people are going to have a great
time with it.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Let's talk about the start of the season, the season
as a whole. You would be happy with what happened
in twenty twenty four. I think a lot of people
are happy because the Crusaders didn't win for a start,
but the quality of the rugby lifted. How can you
lift from now? What are your key goals for this
season compared to what happened last year? Jack?
Speaker 16 (33:59):
Yeah, it was a great season and we saw that
quality then reflected in all of our sort of key
audience measures across the competition. And so we've been working
really hard in the off season to make sure you know,
what we call shape of game, which is the laws
and the mats officials interpretations are set up to make
sure that you know, we get as good a flow
(34:22):
in the game of rugby and also that fans can
understand the decisions that are being made by our match officials.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
So yeah, we continue to focus on that.
Speaker 16 (34:32):
We're quite happy that World Rugby has bought into law
some of those law innovations that we saw through Test
Rugby that we trialed last year, and so yeah, we
think we're well set up to make sure that the
quality of rugby is again improved on you on year.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Right, So what are those key changes? What will the
crowd actually notice that people on the ground, the people
at home, what will they see.
Speaker 16 (34:58):
Yeah, so from a from a law's point of view,
we continue with the TMO, with the twenty minute red card,
which is which we think was a really good innovation
led by Super Rugby. We're also going to limit where
TMO intervention happens, so that you will you won't see
as much TMO intervention as you saw through test matches,
(35:18):
particularly through November. The line out not straight if uncontested
play on that will continue. What we are bringing in though,
that if it is a contested lineout and the line
out is not straight, that you will see a free
kick rather than a scrum. So those types of things
you'll you'll continue to see from a law point of view.
(35:39):
And then our match officials are going to work hard
on flow, so you know, encouraging you know, things to
move along quicker, but in static play, so sixty second
conversions and penalties, and they'll be also working to set
scrums and move the game along.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I guess.
Speaker 16 (35:57):
Then in stadium, what we're focused on and throughout with
our broadcast partners is ensuring that you know, spectators have
clear communication about what decisions are making, So we're working
hard to get reps Mike's in stadiums, particularly around TMO decisions.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Jack Messi, CEO of PACIFICA, joins us with these sanctions.
When it comes to things like how long it takes?
Are you going to be slightly more aggressive around the
time it does take? Because I know that was in
last year, but sometimes it leaked to a bit longer.
Have you pushed that into the reefs and say we
need to make these decisions quicker we see a bigger change,
(36:36):
then yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 16 (36:39):
And you know, we work very closely with the match
official coordinators and the referees, and we will be meeting
weekly to.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Review the data around all of the.
Speaker 16 (36:50):
Games and look for opportunities to make sure that we
keep we're keeping a really tight watch on that. So
we've got meetings set up already, you know, for Monday
after round one, where we'll do our review of every
match and talk about the opportunities to make sure we're
getting consistent decision making but making sure that the game
(37:10):
is moved on.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Player at the scene of the room new favorite phrase.
Besides that, what about the clubs themselves and everybody else
who's involved? What kind of input have they had? What
do they want to hear and see?
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 16 (37:24):
Well with I mean, the great thing is we've now
got club representation, player representation as well as union representation
in all of our working groups and committees. So they've
been a really integral part of the things that we're
doing in and around the game, and also an integral
part of the things that we're doing off the field,
so things like fantasy.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
They've had a lot of input into things like the.
Speaker 16 (37:46):
Player of the Year award, and then you know themselves,
they're very focused on access, ensuring that you know, we're
opening up and being more transparent about what's going on
in each of their clubs. And you would have seen,
you know, the Chiefs documentary is a really good example
where they are going to great lengths to bring fans
in and show the behind behind the scenes workings around
(38:09):
the club.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Let's talk about Player of the Year jack that was
released and I think a lot of people buy into this.
It seems a little deli emos and we understand that
it's a good idea, maybe overdue, but player of the Year,
you guys must about to come up with a better
name than that, surely, Well, you know.
Speaker 16 (38:27):
It says what it does on the box, so that's
a good thing. We don't have to go through the
mechanations of explaining to people what dally m.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
What Daliam means. But yeah, I mean, I think it's
something that the competition has been.
Speaker 16 (38:42):
Talking about for a while and we just wanted to
get it get it in for this season, great way
to acknowledge the excellence that exists in our in our
comp and you know, to fuel a lot of discussion
and debate.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
So it's going to be a really interesting race. I
think we've we've.
Speaker 16 (38:58):
Chosen to do it our way, you know, with captains
and coaches voting, and so at the end of each match,
both captains and coach will order three two one to
the opposition team. And we think that's going to be
a really interesting race. And also, you know, the players
tell us that peer recognition, there is no higher on it.
(39:19):
So yeah, we think we've got a nice point of
difference in the way that we're awarding points and the
fact that both teams will get points from each match
that should make this fairly intriguing.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think it's not blind toward the end, everybody knows
what's happening. That was deliberate. I presume what do you
hope to achieve out of that?
Speaker 16 (39:38):
Yeah, well, we're not a long competition. We're only sixteen
sixteen rounds, and you know what we're not going to
be able to do in YU one is have an
awards ceremony that would happen at the conclusion of the season.
Where you know, for some of those other codes that
do it, they build the suspension and then release that
intrigue at an event. So you know, we're going to
(40:01):
see how we go with it. It being in its
first year, I'm sure we'll learn and if we want
to make changes after year one, we absolutely will.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Absolute cracket. Jack Messi, CEO of Super Rugby Pacific, thanks
so much for your time. I look forward to regular
catch ups throughout the entire season.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Chess mate, thank you, Thanks for interesting cheers.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I don't know about that little sting and thanks Jack Messi,
CEO of Super Rugby Pacific. Sounds like a shotgun being loaded.
Played again, Andy didn't all right, okay, sorry, because it
does sounds like someone's loading every time you play it
a duck how much I know the producers shooting at me?
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Again?
Speaker 2 (40:47):
What did I do? Thanks for you're involved in the
program this evening that I couldn't read your text. There
were lost count and I've only got ten things and
ten toes, so there were more than twenty. Pretty full
on issue. I suppose if you stand back for ebit,
(41:09):
well TJ got what he wanted. He created a discussion
around that. Just think it was an average way to
do it. Just don't think it showed respect for the
all black jersey, and that's what we care about. It's
bigger than the one person on what he was talking about.
No problem that at all. I'm completely amress seeing behind him,
But I'm not an all black I'm not letting the
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arker right and you do. Thanks for your help as per,
Thanks to the listeners, Thanks to the Texas, thanks the callers.
Have a wonderful white tonguey day tomorrow. I'll catch you
all on Friday here on news Talk ZEDB.
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
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(00:59):
rugby tonight, Rugby the national game. Jack Measley joins the
slatter in the PC's the Super Rugby pacifica CEO. Sorry,
Super Rugby Pacific CEO. They launched their competition today in Sydney.
What have they done to change it from last year?
(01:22):
Last year was a good comp Not too many people
are going to argue about that, especially because the Crusaders
didn't win. I think that made last year's competition fantastic
for every other fan of the country. But there was
some very attractive rugby and it looked like the referees,
the linesman tmos actually started playing a game that kind
(01:43):
of almost resembled a game we love. Will that carry
on this year? As Jack Mesley and his crew at
Super Rugby Pacific, dragged them into a small dark room
and explained to them a few things about fan engagement.
We'll find out Jack is going to join us at
around about quarter to eight up. First, Sir Buck Shelfer
(02:04):
joins it. Sir Wayne shelf Buck form All Blacker, captain,
pioneer of the Hacker. We all know now TJ Petty
Nara in essence this article written by Gregor Paul part
in The Herald today. He blindsided the All Blacks with
(02:26):
the Michi at the start of the Haker and the
last test match he had up against Italy. They didn't
see it coming, pulled a bit of wall over, a
few eyes, cause an absolute ruckus. Now it's all come out. Ah.
I got my opinions on this. I'm going to share
them with you shortly after I've spoken with Buck. But
(02:48):
then I'm like you to share yours with me. Around
the support and around a personal political statement without the
support of your team in an all black jersey.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah nah, before any of that, Let's do this today.
In Sports Today, mirthful Vern got her coach of the
reigning Super Rugby Pacific champs, The Blues is very conscious
of the heavy tolls super rugby you can have on pivots.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Be's sure though his quiver of tens will all play
a part in their title defense.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Ten like Harry's done really well, body's back in Stevie.
You'll be coming back and in shortly he's carrying a bit
of a slight injury, so see where he starts. But
the injuries are part of it. Form and resting and rotating,
and we'll need all those players.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Phoenix gaffer Gian Carlo chief Italiana, has confirmed a testing
scenario presented to the club whilst trying to plug the
import gap that David balls departure left.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
A bit of a unique case.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Probably would have been done earlier, about a week ago,
but when we vatiled this hiding, we'll just make it
clear what the what the scenario was.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Silver Fern's coach Damon Noline that toua expected rust when
her team got slapped by the Swifts, had much corrosion.
That's all good, so that one got's fine. We got
a plan and worry.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
About We had just done skill sets and then we're
out here, so it was expected that there'll be a
level of rustiness, which is why this camp was set
up in the first place to ensure we can identify
what those gets are.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And look, Don is still processing his surprise trains for
in the NBA, from the Maps to the Lakers. You
think you were shocked, try being him.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
I was almost a slip. So when I got a call,
I had to check it was April first. I didn't
really believe it at first. It was a bit shock.
It was hard moments for me. It was it was home.
As I said, you know, I get to play in
the greatest club in the world, and I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I'm glad you're getting well paid. Deal with the trip.
And that's sport today.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
What do.
Speaker 8 (05:10):
There?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It is TJ Pettinara leading the Harker and his last
a Test match and that line essentially causing a lot
agree for n z R. And as it turns out
later on the piece, the players didn't really know it
was coming. They were blindsided, to hijacked to a degree,
were they even deceived, possibly by TJ. We're going to
(05:33):
talk about that then we're going to take your cause.
On eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We're joined now
by former All Black captain, a man behind the resurgence
of the Harker back in the day. Buck, welcome to
the show. Good evening, mate, I'm very very well. I
hope you are as well. Another big story around the
Hawkers come out around TJ. Pettinara, whether he was speaking
(05:58):
for the team, whether he had permission, should he have
done it or not? I suppose the first question here,
should he have asked for what he was? What he
said as wet presentative of the entire all black side.
Speaker 9 (06:14):
Well, I think that possibly yes, he should have. But
at the same time, it was his last game in
the Jersey and he decided to get on with it
and do it and you know, say his peace and
then lo and behold. You know, the next week he's
in Japan, you know. But you know, at the end
of the day, you know, it's one of the things
(06:35):
we're always fighting for. We're fighting for our real to
be taught in all the schools properly and all this stuff.
And you know, now we've got you know, hakas have
been done in every team in New Zealand basically now
he is doing it in and not all of them
are on TV, but some of them aren't. And I
think that you know, way of a period TJ. Dunn.
(06:58):
You know they probably would have if he would have
asked the players the management, they would have taken a
couple of months to try and work it all out,
and the probably thought, no, just do it and get
on with them and wait for the consequences.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Blindsided the players not knowing the content of the miki
at the start, and you understand why they might be.
Their feathers may be roughley, that.
Speaker 9 (07:21):
Could be right, not our understanding what it's all about
because it's not there. Well, they're only doing what they know.
In regards to the Hucker itself, and the calling that
goes on by the cloutle is basically he actually says
things that he not not always wants to say, but
he's got a message there to send out to other
people anyway, you know, before he goes into the haker.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So when it comes to leading the hacker, you represent
everything about that hackerl Like when you stand up the front,
would they met at the start? Do you speak as
an individual for the whole? Is that genuinely how it's
seen in Martyr them?
Speaker 8 (08:02):
Well?
Speaker 9 (08:03):
Yes, and though you know Mary them as you know
as you can't we're all different. E wei from different things.
We got different tea ung things like that. Most of
tea canger is different around the country from ee ewe.
And yeah, certain things happen and ewe that we wouldn't
(08:25):
do up where I'm from and things like that. But
it is what it is. And you know, when you
get up and like it. You get up and you're
talking about the tret last year at White Tonguey and
basically these guys up there just just screaming at the
top of their voices and and talking and basically ridiculing
the government and things like that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It is.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
It's a it's a fight to fight, to fight, you know,
for Mary and to actually get better, better things going
for them all of stuff. And in regards to what
the treaty says, yeah, and so things, I don't think
it's you know, to do it there in a testament.
I don't think it's the right place to do it.
If you and I actually talk about it, go and
(09:07):
talk with the politicians.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, was there any deception do you think from TJ
because they didn't know.
Speaker 9 (09:15):
I mean, I don't know whether there was a deception
or not. I just say if he didn't want to
ask the team. He'd done it for his reasons, which
are probably nothing could get through, would throw everyone wo disagree,
or they would actually be up and down. You know,
fifty persent might say yes and the other fifty say no.
Management probably say no. You know, things like that.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Does this strike you though? Sorry, Buck, it's a little
on the self recite if he's representing the all blacks
and a Harker and he believes one thing speaking for
everybody on one hundred percent behind what he's doing. But
I think that's that's mean to the other players who
didn't know what he was doing and was seen to
buy into it.
Speaker 9 (09:54):
Yeah, well they brought into it by doing it, but
they were there anyway. They didn't understand. Lot of them
didn't understand what they're saying. But Marty then did and
they probably they would probably recognize what he was talking about,
you know. And for Marty and you know, that's that's
that's their copper. And at the end of the day,
he just ad lived on the day, probably more than
(10:14):
anything else. And I saw it, but I actually wasn't
listening to all what he was saying. I was just
watching the hut to herself and then out of the room.
But notwithstanding that, at the end of the day, you know,
we have to start asking permission to do things, you know,
and I think that it would have been the right
way to go, but he just didn't do it. And
(10:38):
a little bit like anyway here he actually standing up
and singing the national anthem to the whole of the
world in regards to opening up a big Test match
and basically no one knew if she was going to
do it.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
In Mary first, it's an essence begging for forgiveness as
opposed to asking for permission.
Speaker 9 (10:56):
Yeah, I suppose you know, you're right, but at the
end of the day, you know, not everybody likes the
hucker anyway, you know, and answering is so at the
end of the day, you know, the upset people doing it,
you know, they get more upsets. You break the protocols
of what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Anyway, Would you have done it but with something that
you would have done.
Speaker 9 (11:15):
Oh not really, But at the end of the day,
I would have done something that that That was probably
you know, in my day it was a little bit different.
It was quite different back in our day. We actually
you know, I didn't even speak that illback in those days.
I don't speak a lot now, but you know, to
do that actually it always something special, you know, there's
(11:38):
something special New Zealand. And I think keeping it to
sound and straight to the point of doing the get
on with it and finish it off and do it
well is what we were after more than anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
When you started and the hakka became as it is now,
it wasn't just a shabby dance that no one knew
it was all about, and it suddenly came with with
real meaning for the side. Did you feel, as the
captain though, that everybody had buying? Everybody agreed and you
were that repers.
Speaker 9 (12:11):
There was no pushback at all, No everyone and sowing
is so back in the early days, probably before my time,
the buy in from the players was not there. They
didn't like doing it if they done it, or if
they were forced to do it. So at the end
of the day, you know, we needed to have buying
from the whole of the team and the management and
(12:33):
so you know, you go along there and your formers
get better and better at it, and now they got
their own honker, you know, Mary Orbs got their own honker.
The women's teams have got their own answers and it's
grown exponentially. And so as now this is the the
I'm going to following down the pj's TJ's voice that
(12:54):
we don't want our our cup of hacker caught it already,
he's saying different meanings. There are different things at the start.
And as you know in this little caught it all
before the hacker.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Starts, Well, he's opened the door for and now hasn't
he Wayne Shell for joining the program? So what about
future use of the Harker for political messages? Is that
something you'd buy into yourself?
Speaker 9 (13:17):
No, not really, it's not the place for it. If
you want you want to talk about political going with
political messages, go and talk to the politicians. Nail them
after the after the game when you couldn't always always
going to be up in the room where you are
at the end of the day, at the Aftermax Fund.
So that's the place to do your messaging is with
the politicians. Then, because I want to be by you,
(13:37):
because you have just won a this mess.
Speaker 10 (13:39):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports men,
have your sale on eighty Sports Talk or on your
home of sports news Talks.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
It'd be so Wayne Buckshell with there joining us on
Sports Talker's opinions on the TJ Bettinarra situation today. It
was revealed by Gregor Paul and He's hell inherld that
there was a sense of division within the All Blacks,
between the All Blacks and management and so on and
(14:08):
so forth. When TJ Patinara chose to speak how he
spoke before the Harker in his final game up against
Italy made a lot of people very uncomfortable, and from
the story, it made a lot of people in his
team uncomfortable. Where to from now? TJ? Should he have
(14:31):
had unanimous support from his fellow All Blacks before he
started with that? That me he that short speech before
he rolled into the Harker. The political statements actually need
sign off from the organizations. I think in this case
(14:54):
that yet he did need to support. I think in
this case, when you use the vehicle of the All
Black jersey, which is enormous, it's very powerful, it's very strong,
reverberates throughout the world, before you use that as a platform,
you must have the backing of your team, otherwise it
(15:17):
just becomes a personal statement from TJ. Pettinara and he's
using the power of something that isn't his to push
forward his own political viewpoints. Now, it's not like he
screamed for warfare and bloodshed and to burn Parliament of
the ground. It was pretty timid what he said. And
(15:40):
for the record, I agree with where it's going with this.
I'm completely for it. But that's not the issue here.
It's not what I stand for. It's not what TJ.
Pettinara stands for. And he's a very passionate man, you
get that. But the choice of platform without the backing
of in Ze or all of his team, this is
(16:07):
a different story. I shouldn't have done it. I don't
think it was a smart decision. It was a very
emotional decision. He thought, Here I am, I can roll
some third al marty, I can say something is dead
in my heart and I've got the world looking at me.
The last time I'm going to do this leading the harker.
(16:29):
I want to make an effect before I go out,
not about you or your cause. No problem with his politics,
get what he was saying. I understand why he was
pissy as because I think, well, I know I am,
(16:50):
but no, not not with all that Jersey or not
without the support everybody. That's a bad move. Sorry, not
with you on that one, TJ. What do you guys think? Oh,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open. Does
he need unanimous support? Yes, yes he does. Argue with me.
It was a call one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
My name's Darcy, this News Talk MB, one hundred facts.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
My food ain't touched.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I guess I said, he baby's solid Downa's.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
Make it less?
Speaker 11 (17:17):
You said, where's the fun in there?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Let's go person.
Speaker 10 (17:23):
The right call is your call on eight hundred and
eighty to eighty sports talk call on your home of
Sports News Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Already so funer good to my guess seven sports talk
on News Talk ZB. You're take into account the texts
that have been flooding in. He has zero support. Let's
go to the phones now, Laurence good evening.
Speaker 12 (17:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (17:52):
Can I make wrong on every level? I mean, you know,
representing your country, there's a privilege and the privilege of
leaving the harker and using that to express your personal
political views is just so wrong. And what annoys me
is the rugby the rugby usual in rugby union should
(18:15):
have sanctioned him, but like everybody else, are too scared
to say anything that might be anti Maury because the
Maori Party would straight away label them as racist. And
it's just so wrong.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Mate. I was surprised in the country, Lawrence. I was
surprised when you see the story there that there was
basically an ultimatum. If you don't let me do this,
I'm walking. And they did, and I'm like, Wow, they'd
probably think we'll deal the blowback from this rather than
the blowback from something else. I don't think there was
strong leadership. If indeed that is the case.
Speaker 13 (18:49):
Absolutely absolutely they should have said, mate, you know, you
can have your personal political opinions, but representing your country
on the national stage is not the place to espouse them.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, Lawrence, thanks for your call. Then we say sanctioned.
Think if you believe what you read, it was a
case of here's my ultimatum, I'm walking if you don't
let me say something. That should have said, fine walk
who's running the show? Who's running the show? Is it
in running it or is a half back running it
(19:26):
out of Wellington? That's that's alarming, Hi, Tom, Yeah, I.
Speaker 12 (19:32):
Go from the CEO, he's he come on with Heather
duple celu there just before Christmas, and he still couldn't
come bring himself to speak about the problem. Yeah, that's
that's what I'd be going for. Pj's just a symptom
of the woke of them that's taken off from the
All Blacks. It's quite sad that, struggling as it is
(19:55):
without this sort of carry on and the hart, he
gets a hard enough time. Don't dd to it, PJ.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I don't think it was. And if he looks back,
or maybe he doesn't think, I think bringing this into
focus through one of his own personal political ideals was
not smart for the general well being of the Harker
and of Marty Than and of the All Blacks wasn't
a smart or considered move. I think at all.
Speaker 12 (20:19):
Pr skills were very basically zilch. And it's a shame.
I remember when you wanted to go and play rugby
league there about five or six years ago. Go and play.
I don't advertise the fact, dude, he was trying to
do a deal. He does it out in the public,
he does it on a lot of funds. He wore
his political colors on his on his sleeves, he didn't,
(20:40):
I wouldn't know what Richie mccaus well, I wouldn't know
any of the other all blacks, but I knew that
guy well. And I'm just so glad Aaron Smith played
so so well as a half fact that he limited
his time in front of TV for me.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Tom, thanks very much for that. With political moves and
statements and falling into this as a sports person, I
get it, I understand it. You've got a big platform.
Whenever used to like it particularly, but when so many
people listen to you and accept your ideas, you can
understand why people do it. But not as a representative
of a team. You can't speak for your whole team.
(21:16):
You stand out alone and do it. Knock yourself out.
Don't represent a team, don't speak for a team. Not cool? Hi, Henriata, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 14 (21:28):
I think the question is would TJ have done it
if it wasn't his last game?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
A good question? What do you think?
Speaker 14 (21:39):
I don't think he would have done it if it
was his last game. He had too much to lose,
but he had nothing to lose being his last ever game.
And I also think it does reflect on the man himself.
I've never really been a big TJ fan, and I
just think that showed him for what he really is.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Interesting way to sign off, isn't it, he in riata,
because that is the last taste in the mouth of
New Zealand rugby fans, Like, really, you made a statement
and did that before he left, and that was it.
Because now everyone thinks about the end of your career
as being something well you have a step your mark.
That ain't cool. That's not what a team is all about. Yeah, yeah, thanks, Henritta,
(22:21):
thanks very much for your call. Thanks for calling through.
One hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open. It's
twenty eight minutes. Whoops, I'm just slipped on something. There's
twenty eight minutes away from eight like caraus.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
How are you?
Speaker 13 (22:34):
You know?
Speaker 8 (22:34):
Mate? Talking about the protest Tucker from TJ. Look, he
was given the opportunity and was allowed to do it
by someone higher up, whoever that was. But I remember
back to the year where Josh kronfelled.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
CD Yeah, the CNDB.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Yeah yeah, that's right against the anti nuclear in the Pacific.
And then we've also had over the years prime ministers
or ministers whatever it's mingling with the I think we
need to get politics out of the game, because the
all Blacks are the true representation of all of us together.
Why you know, that's what europeans sar Marlin's tongue and
(23:19):
moldy everybody together. The last thing we need to do
is ruined that beautiful fabric by chucking politics into it.
So I think no more Prime ministerial visits to the
shed home minister is hanging around like butterflies trying to
get a knife photo. Just let them be a rugby
team because that's what they are, just a rugby team.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So outside we all know the kronfeil that with a
campaign for nuclear disarm and that peace sign CND sign
and what he did obviously very heartfelt around that. I
don't think that is as deep as leading a harker
and expressing the apendency expressed. I think it more sits
on Josh Confell. But I completely understand about using the
(24:01):
all black jersey as a weapon to fight for your
cause outside of the game. When you're not on your jersey,
I get it. I understand that you've got a profile
people are going absolutely, but when you're actually in the jersey,
playing the game on the park, do.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
It outside of the Jersey, because the Jersey is a
representation of the whole country, not your political point of view.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's not about you.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
It's not about you or your view. You're here to
represent all of us, even the people you disagree with.
So take politics out of rugby and we all remember
that tour and the argument was take politics out of
sport and FIFA have got it right. Rugby Union doesn't.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
That's a really interesting statement. FIFA have got it right.
I think I've heard that before in twenty five years
broadcasting on your Chrissy. Thanks very much for your thoughts.
Really appreciated. It's twenty five minutes to eight more call.
Is it still to come? I won't be reading out
all the text because it's a tidal wave. I'm drowning here.
I'm being sucked out to see again, yay seven eight
(25:29):
sports look on news talk. He has been a clarity here.
What t J. Pettinarra said in itself was not divisive.
I don't believe so at all. It's the fact that
he said it without the backing of his teammates that's
the divide. That's that's what I'm struggling with. As you
all know, I'm as work as the next guy. Believe
this whole look into the treaty thing is anyway, it
(25:51):
doesn't matter. It's a sports show. I can't climb into that.
But what he said wasn't actually that intense. But he
shouldn't have said it because he didn't have the backing
of his teammates. Theren is the issue forever, the strength
of the land and forever, the strength of independence forever,
the Treaty of White Honey, that's what he said. Well
that's the English version anyway. Just stew you.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
See how you're doing, that's on your mind.
Speaker 15 (26:19):
That's helping you year to you. Yeah, it's an interesting one.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
I must have.
Speaker 15 (26:23):
When I first saw it, I was I was a
bit disappointed Adam as a as an individual and and
he obviously used it as a as a bit of
a parting shop sort of thing. Something that does get
break me a little bit. And the subjects been on
the show all day to all day to day, and
I kind of listened to I got on the radio
(26:43):
this morning. They really got my back up. He basically
basically said the said that, you know, my Maori did
a pretty good ride when it comes to New um
and rugby and I found myself shicking Mane a guy
who was on the shape. Yeah, I'll talk that call.
And just basically, you know a lot of people shouldn't
(27:06):
shouldn't forget you know, they talk about politics not getting
involved in sport. I'll tell you what you could have
done with some divide intervention from the New Zealand government
pre nineteen seventy when Maori players couldn't get us South Africa, Steve.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
We know the history of this now and there's these
things with this though, And I'm talking about TJ actually
making a political statement on behalf of the all Blacks
without their back up. That's what grades to me.
Speaker 15 (27:33):
Yeah, absolutely, And it's like I totally one hundred percent
sort of sort of go along with it. I mean,
I say, this guy's as say said, I'll watch another
game of rugby again, and I'm doing really seriously. You know,
it's just some of it, some of it just gets
at a little bit out of hand, is what I'm saying.
(27:53):
I think, you know, sometimes I think some people should
think about what they're actually saying, well, the way that
they're actually con constructing their argument. I mean, in the main,
I certainly don't agree with what he did. I agree
with the lady was on before. I think he just
took the opportunity because he knew he was on the
way up. I don't think he ever done it if
(28:15):
it was earlier in his career.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I think selfish might be a sternish word. I think
it is. It didn't really show any respect or consideration
for his teammates and more importantly the black jersey. Again,
I got no issue with what he said, it's when
he said it, and with the backing of whom there's
the issue, Like Trevor, how are you tonight.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Hey, darks right?
Speaker 8 (28:40):
Yeah good, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11 (28:42):
Look, I expressed my views on TJ. I mean TJ
is a self appointed morals moral expert, not his views.
He thinks he's the extort. I mean, when you look
back at TJ, he wore his little bit about the
feature land in Auckland. He actually got the guy who
had shared in the hurricanes, got him kicked out of
(29:03):
it because he thought that what this man said was racist.
Like TJ, he was the man to work it out,
so this guy had to sell his shares in the hurricane.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
The backing of the depth to that story tever the
main thing here for me is that he didn't have
the backing of his teammates to do this.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
So I know you did right, And I was just
going to say that dares he. But the other thing
I want to say, of course, TJ also is very
vocal with israelow telling us we shouldn't have the same
views Israel, we should have the same views as so
he's always been a little bit of a as I say,
social justice warrior. And look, I think t J would
have done it if it wasn't his last game. And
(29:39):
just on your point, what a team man, you know TJ?
On TV or the team, It's all about the team.
Team is number one. It's all about the team. That's
what makes us a great team. Yet what did he
do is do his team? He was going to walk
out on them?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah yeah, and this is ongoing. He's mild to make
him and me do It's like that to me, doesn't
scream all blacks and doesn't scream team. And that's that's
poor and unfortunately, Trivia, that's probably what he's going to
be remembered for that the last shot he fired before
he left, people will go, well, you know you did this,
you did that, and I get this, and I get that,
(30:13):
but that was a really crappy way to walk.
Speaker 9 (30:19):
It.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Really, it really was. And I go back to it.
The device of nature is not what he said. It's
the fact that he said it without the backing of
the All Blacks, without the backing of the end z arm.
Where they sit within this here and how complicit they
are in that decision. Would you could move it on
to then say, well, if you had an idea and
(30:40):
there was an ultimatum, you should have pulled him straight away.
And as a caller pointed out before, But then would
they feel that they were being People would say, you're
being a racist. You can't do this. It's so complex.
Maybe he got what he wanted, he got a discussion
around it, but I don't think it's the discussion.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
He was after.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Seven forty four Sports Talk caer on Newstalks be Steve Wright.
So he wasn't speaking out of turn for the All Blacks.
He was speaking out of turn for the whole order fans.
He tried to total that of respect for the responsibility
he was given and also how bugger the leadership is
throughout the union. There's plenty more. I'm going to run
(31:26):
through them all because you haven't got the time anyway.
Coming up next, we're going to talk rugby, Super Rugby Pacific.
It's the facially underway which are launched today. Jack Messi,
the CEO of Super Rugby Pacific, is going to join
us next. Talk about that launch, what changes this time around,
what they need to strengthen, what they need to flush.
(31:47):
It's coming up next here on sports Talk on news
Storks toive away from eight Sports Talker on news till
(32:09):
ZB on Wednesday evening fifty three, twenty twenty five and
Darcy water Grave coming up now we are talking the
launch of Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty five. The CEO
of Super Rugby Pacific it joins us now. His name
is Jack Nesley.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Good evening, Good evening, Darthy. How are you very well?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Probably not quite as excited or maybe exhausted as you
are because Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty five it was
launched today. So now she she's all on for love
or money.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
That's right.
Speaker 16 (32:41):
Yeah, We've had a great morning in Sydney with representatives
from all eleven clubs to launch the season and yeah
very much looking forward to kickoff next Friday, Friday, fourteenth February.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And also it was announced that you hold your Player
of the Year, which was released yesterday. But the fantasy
game that you've been talking about for a while, you've
released that hound as well. It's not a second too soon,
only a week out from it. You can't that find,
didn't you, Jack? We did?
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Yeah, So it's a late call to get it up
and running.
Speaker 16 (33:15):
So you know, I underestimated some of the things that
we needed to get ticked off. But it's going live
on the seventh, so this week, and yeah, guys and
girls will have a week to get their Round one
Fantasy tips in. So yeah, not a moment too soon,
But we're excited that it's up and running and.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
We're pretty confident people are going to have a great
time with it.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Let's talk about the start of the season, the season
as a whole. You would be happy with what happened
in twenty twenty four. I think a lot of people
are happy because the Crusaders didn't win for a start,
but the quality of the rugby lifted. How can you
lift from now? What are your key goals for this
season compared to what happened last year? Jack?
Speaker 16 (33:59):
Yeah, it was a great season and we saw that
quality then reflected in all of our sort of key
audience measures across the competition. And so we've been working
really hard in the off season to make sure you know,
what we call shape of game, which is the laws
and the mats officials interpretations are set up to make
sure that you know, we get as good a flow
(34:22):
in the game of rugby and also that fans can
understand the decisions that are being made by our match officials.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
So yeah, we continue to focus on that.
Speaker 16 (34:32):
We're quite happy that World Rugby has bought into law
some of those law innovations that we saw through Test
Rugby that we trialed last year, and so yeah, we
think we're well set up to make sure that the
quality of rugby is again improved on you on year.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Right, So what are those key changes? What will the
crowd actually notice that people on the ground, the people
at home, what will they see.
Speaker 16 (34:58):
Yeah, so from a from a law's point of view,
we continue with the TMO, with the twenty minute red card,
which is which we think was a really good innovation
led by Super Rugby. We're also going to limit where
TMO intervention happens, so that you will you won't see
as much TMO intervention as you saw through test matches,
(35:18):
particularly through November. The line out not straight if uncontested
play on that will continue. What we are bringing in though,
that if it is a contested lineout and the line
out is not straight, that you will see a free
kick rather than a scrum. So those types of things
you'll you'll continue to see from a law point of view.
(35:39):
And then our match officials are going to work hard
on flow, so you know, encouraging you know, things to
move along quicker, but in static play, so sixty second
conversions and penalties, and they'll be also working to set
scrums and move the game along.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I guess.
Speaker 16 (35:57):
Then in stadium, what we're focused on and throughout with
our broadcast partners is ensuring that you know, spectators have
clear communication about what decisions are making, So we're working
hard to get reps Mike's in stadiums, particularly around TMO decisions.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Jack Messi, CEO of PACIFICA, joins us with these sanctions.
When it comes to things like how long it takes?
Are you going to be slightly more aggressive around the
time it does take? Because I know that was in
last year, but sometimes it leaked to a bit longer.
Have you pushed that into the reefs and say we
need to make these decisions quicker we see a bigger change,
(36:36):
then yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 16 (36:39):
And you know, we work very closely with the match
official coordinators and the referees, and we will be meeting
weekly to.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Review the data around all of the.
Speaker 16 (36:50):
Games and look for opportunities to make sure that we
keep we're keeping a really tight watch on that. So
we've got meetings set up already, you know, for Monday
after round one, where we'll do our review of every
match and talk about the opportunities to make sure we're
getting consistent decision making but making sure that the game
(37:10):
is moved on.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Player at the scene of the room new favorite phrase.
Besides that, what about the clubs themselves and everybody else
who's involved? What kind of input have they had? What
do they want to hear and see?
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 16 (37:24):
Well with I mean, the great thing is we've now
got club representation, player representation as well as union representation
in all of our working groups and committees. So they've
been a really integral part of the things that we're
doing in and around the game, and also an integral
part of the things that we're doing off the field,
so things like fantasy.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
They've had a lot of input into things like the.
Speaker 16 (37:46):
Player of the Year award, and then you know themselves,
they're very focused on access, ensuring that you know, we're
opening up and being more transparent about what's going on
in each of their clubs. And you would have seen,
you know, the Chiefs documentary is a really good example
where they are going to great lengths to bring fans
in and show the behind behind the scenes workings around
(38:09):
the club.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Let's talk about Player of the Year jack that was
released and I think a lot of people buy into this.
It seems a little deli emos and we understand that
it's a good idea, maybe overdue, but player of the Year,
you guys must about to come up with a better
name than that, surely, Well, you know.
Speaker 16 (38:27):
It says what it does on the box, so that's
a good thing. We don't have to go through the
mechanations of explaining to people what dally m.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
What Daliam means. But yeah, I mean, I think it's
something that the competition has been.
Speaker 16 (38:42):
Talking about for a while and we just wanted to
get it get it in for this season, great way
to acknowledge the excellence that exists in our in our
comp and you know, to fuel a lot of discussion
and debate.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
So it's going to be a really interesting race. I
think we've we've.
Speaker 16 (38:58):
Chosen to do it our way, you know, with captains
and coaches voting, and so at the end of each match,
both captains and coach will order three two one to
the opposition team. And we think that's going to be
a really interesting race. And also, you know, the players
tell us that peer recognition, there is no higher on it.
(39:19):
So yeah, we think we've got a nice point of
difference in the way that we're awarding points and the
fact that both teams will get points from each match
that should make this fairly intriguing.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think it's not blind toward the end, everybody knows
what's happening. That was deliberate. I presume what do you
hope to achieve out of that?
Speaker 16 (39:38):
Yeah, well, we're not a long competition. We're only sixteen
sixteen rounds, and you know what we're not going to
be able to do in YU one is have an
awards ceremony that would happen at the conclusion of the season.
Where you know, for some of those other codes that
do it, they build the suspension and then release that
intrigue at an event. So you know, we're going to
(40:01):
see how we go with it. It being in its
first year, I'm sure we'll learn and if we want
to make changes after year one, we absolutely will.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Absolute cracket. Jack Messi, CEO of Super Rugby Pacific, thanks
so much for your time. I look forward to regular
catch ups throughout the entire season.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Chess mate, thank you, Thanks for interesting cheers.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
I don't know about that little sting and thanks Jack Messi,
CEO of Super Rugby Pacific. Sounds like a shotgun being loaded.
Played again, Andy didn't all right, okay, sorry, because it
does sounds like someone's loading every time you play it
a duck how much I know the producers shooting at me?
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Again?
Speaker 2 (40:47):
What did I do? Thanks for you're involved in the
program this evening that I couldn't read your text. There
were lost count and I've only got ten things and
ten toes, so there were more than twenty. Pretty full
on issue. I suppose if you stand back for ebit,
(41:09):
well TJ got what he wanted. He created a discussion
around that. Just think it was an average way to
do it. Just don't think it showed respect for the
all black jersey, and that's what we care about. It's
bigger than the one person on what he was talking about.
No problem that at all. I'm completely amress seeing behind him,
But I'm not an all black I'm not letting the
(41:32):
arker right and you do. Thanks for your help as per,
Thanks to the listeners, Thanks to the Texas, thanks the callers.
Have a wonderful white tonguey day tomorrow. I'll catch you
all on Friday here on news Talk ZEDB.
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