February 13, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap this week's sporting news, On today's agenda:
Geoff Brown - Mana Pasifika NRL Lead
Mike Hesson - Former Blackcaps Head Coach
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Cracker good Ey. We'm going to sports Talk. It's a
firstday night. It's seven and seventh time thin ninth February
twenty twenty five. Them Darcy Waldgrave, good evening, good day,
good man. Coming up in this episode, in this edition,
in this version of sports Talk, we bet a cricket
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and we bet a rugby league, and a whole lot
of you and probably far too much of me. That's
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Fund number Nation one nineteen nine two isn't a text
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be talking about Mana Pacifica, the NRL proposition, a new
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team in Auckland City, another team in Auckland City fighting
amongst Muana Pasifica and the Blues and everybody else. Another
consortium trying to launch an NRL side in New Zealand.
Three in the South Island gone by the wayside, or
they will say they are still relevant and there let's
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not discount them. And now Auckland have climbed in as well.
We've got the consortium lead Jeff Brown joining us shortly
to talk about this. Take your calls. We've really got
I think New Zealand have probably got room for two
NRL sides. Probably possibly, Yeah, I'd say Auckland to an
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Auckland and I wonder we're getting consortium fatigue. One turns
up every half an hour. Not sure what drives all
of this and if there is a want out there,
let me know. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty talk
about that on the piece. And then Mike Hessen joins
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us for the head coach of the black Caps. Black
Caps from the final against Pakistan of this tri series
they're playing tomorrow and then they get to play the
same team again of the same venue on Wednesday at
the start of the Champions Trophy. What are they looking
to learn out of this matches? Their room for Tom
Latham and how's their form going into this short sharp
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series posts the Trice series. That's all coming up here
on News Talk z B. Before that, though, as Pearl,
let's do this today and it's for today. Who worries?
Coach Andrew Webster has explained how his co captaincy decision
I was patently obvious after Fisher Harris's shadow was cast
over training.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It would be pretty obvious that Barney was going to
be our captain. He'd done a great job when Toy,
who didn't play last year. We never wanted Fish to
have to come here and have the responsibility of captain,
and we just wanted him to play really good footy.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
But he hit the ground running with his leadership straight away.
They naturally just bounced off each other, drove our standards.
Rear vision Mirror's best off of the Crowbuck Blues. Task
Master Cotta knows exactly where his team's folks needs to be.
Vern says, earn it this year twenty twenty four means nothing.
There's no credit for winning last year.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
We're at zero, so we're very pragmatic and know that
we just got to go from plays to play, stay
in the moment and do the best we can.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Free into the Phoenix means eleven. Nuba Chico giraldi Is
explains his drive. The twenty nine year old Portuguese attacking midfielder.
He talks a good game for the locker room.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I'm a very friendly gay. The most important thing from
is the team, and on the pitch, I'm a very
creative player. I like to associate a lot with my
teammates through passing, making a lot of assists, and I
hope that I can help the team get more points.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And height on his boss man Jamie Joseph is temporarily
reunited with old accomplised Tony Brown ahead of the Southern
men's opening Super Rugby Pacific match.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
He's obviously a big part of this club. Played one
hundred games for the Henders, very successful coach, continues to
be a successful coach at the top end of the game.
Just getting his eyes really and his experience.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, good move, Why wouldn't you? And that's sport today.
Eleven minutes after seven money excuse me, Minor PACIFICA consortium
lead Jeff Brown joins the program next again looking at
bringing another NRL side, a second NRL side to the
shows about you know this time though to make him
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a cooto. Nothing to do with the South and we'll
find out more about that.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Jeffy joins us. Now, good evening, made hid he there's
a chance that consortium fatigue might set in. This is
another one. We know we've got three in the South Island.
Now we've got one up here in Auckland. What makes
this any more likely to be introduced to the NRLJF.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
I've actually met with a few of the other bids
in South Island and as I said that, I've been
involved in the international space for a while now and
even in the community capacity, so we've we've seen what
the what the game can provide Pacific. But more importantly
having I'm born in Auckland, raised here, I played both
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both rugby league and rugby union, and I played another
other sports as well for Auckland. But I think the
big thing is right now that the game's going through growth,
and obviously Pacific is a huge part of that. I
think fifty plus is now within the NR and that's growing.
The numbers are growing, particularly in the in the in
the in the sort of youth area. So the future
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looks right for PACIFICA in the NRL. But more importantly,
it just comes down to I mean I've traveled a
lot for work, I've played sport nationally and through my travels,
you know we're talking about Auckland business. It's just a
bigger city, you know, one point seven million people. Wellington's
got four hundred thousand plus criture to four hundred thousand plus.
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It just makes sense for us that you know, Auckland
cancer stained a team and there's questions around the Warriors. Well,
the Warriors have been around thirty years now, you know
they're they're established, and they know where they're going, where
they're heading and under you know, ownership with the one owner. Now,
I think the Warriors are going to do fantastic. What
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we believe is another team in Auckland is only going
to lift the game where where there is sustainability the numbers.
I mean, as I said to you that rugby Rugby's
take in a bit of a duty itself and right
now Ragby League thriving. You only have to look at
the Pacific influence across the international game. As I said
on part of Armor, we've seen the growth of our
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nation with limited resources to make a Grand final on
the World Cup. Now that's huge and in the context
of the game, and Tom is just flying off the
seat at the moment. They're sleeping giants that are just
doing huge things in the game. Cook Islands are not
far behind that and neither of the Pasific nation. So
we believe that at Auckland would lift the game. But
it also provides the sustainability because we've got a lot
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of kids and leaving this country. We've got a lot
of young people leaving New Zealand to pursue a career
in Australia. And look, there's nine clubs in Sydney, there's
four clubs in Queensland, two in Brisbane. I don't think
it's a I don't think it's a case of I
can you know too in Auckland. I pretly believe it's
a matter of providing a model that can sustain and
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even hold our talent and stop this extodus of young
because we've been part of it. I've been working with
young coaches, young teams, and I'm not the only one
the other nations and we're losing I think one hundred
and fifty to two hundred kids a year just from
the Auckland and probably the wider some of the other regions.
And that's a lot of talent to be losing here
in utchet Are Jeff.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
What makes you think though, that another franchise can actually
breathe in Auckland When you look at AFC, I mean
that's not right across the season, but it doesn'tterfare. You've
got the Warriors, you've got the Blues, You've got Mona Pussifka.
There's only so many eyeballs and so many bums in
a particular city, So what gives you confidence that you
can actually, I suppose paddle to swim to keep your
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head above water.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
As I said to you, we're involved in the international space,
so regionally, we're a lot of us are based here.
A lot of the players that are playing in the
international space originally came from the Auckland Wellington cross Watch
sort of regions. In terms of their football careers, they
don't buying their careers across the ditch, but Auckland still
has a strongholds, still the largest Polyingian city, and we
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have a lot of intestinal involvement. We're also taking the
game to the island, so Albert actually includes the Pacific Islands,
which means our home games we played at Eden Park,
and we're also taking games back to some more too,
Tonga into the Cook Island, so we're we're looking to
pick up a lot of support through the island regions
as well. It's not just that. And then we've got
Newey in Turkila who are part of it. One of
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the other things that's not really mentioned as PACIFICA. We're
also indigenous, so we've just we've actually signed with an
ewing so Tucker Defenerway, which will be announced in the
in the coming weeks. So having having you know, Indigenous
the Marias behind what we're doing as well is only
going to add a bit of weight to what we're doing.
So you know, you only have to look at the
way that you know, like the players that we're looking
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after now aren't just full blood and Salmans. We have
a really hybrid A lot of these kids are mixed
bread now, so you know it's it's not just the
PACIFICA community we are. You know a lot of these
kids that will be available to play for a Pacific
Indigenous team kids of various descents, so they've got a
white attachment. We're not limited just Basifiga. Obviously they're much breeds.
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But I think there's enough. I don't think it's just
so much the eyeballs. The numbers. We know the numbers.
I've been a part of the development for years here
in Auckland and through the Pacific, and we are leaning
on the Pacific Island nations to provide a bit more
talent in eyeballs.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But you're going to get people along to the event
because you need that. And that's what I say about
the amount of eyeballs and the amount of bums on seats.
You can have support and you have a net cast
wide and deep, but when push comes to shove, you
need punters, You need warm props to go and sit
in those seats. So what puts you apart that will
get people away from the Warriors or away from the Blues,
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are away from Mowana Pacifica, because these are your biggest
problems when it comes to securing more fans.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Well, look in terms of the rugby leaf fans, if
you look at as I said, we're leaning on a
Rugby League international database in terms of what we're doing.
If you look at risk in games with Tongue or
Sam on the Cooks. Most of the games were played
in Auckland and across you know, Australia. I've nearly told
out crowds. Our numbers are huge. We're not leaning on
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the Warriors supporters to support this team. We're just leaning
on Pacifica. There's a lot of people that don't support
the Warriors. I can tell you I know hundreds and
hundred of people that don't support the Warriors, but they
will follow them whether they're watching on TV. But to pay,
you know, season tickets for the Warriors, I can tell
you now I don't. I used to be a season
ticket holder a ten years ago. I might get a
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Warrior's game. But like I said to you, I've embedded
my time and all the years that I've been working
with you with the international especially the PACIFICA teams, and
then around this game, and you know, we're quite confident
that we could pull on our communities. There's a lot
of people that won't follow Warriors, but because we're pushing
PACIFICA like they have been behind, you know, mmt or Tongue,
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Rapiay League and Raby Salmore and then the Cook Islands,
I'm confident that we can build a crowd. It's just
a manner of believing and backing our communities and getting
out to our why our churches, why are our community groups?
This is how we've survived for years. By the way,
it's not just if you go to PACIFICA events. You
go to any PACIFICA event, you know, you see polinicians
come out to support. So that's what we all are
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own at the moment and we just continue to build that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
What about the Landes have had any contact with him
at all is notoriously difficult to actually sit down and
speak to and you've heard that from the three propositions
in the South Island. So connection with Peter villanis what's
that been like?
Speaker 7 (12:40):
Well, at the moment, our submission was only made about
a week ago, and we have a consultant working with us.
It's a former NURL executive, is an independent working with us.
He's part of the reason why we submitted about two
weeks ago. So a week ago now, so you know,
we know at the moment there's a lot of other
teams putting in birds and resubmitting and doing all sorts
of things, and we're just confident with the team that
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we have. We've got a very experienced rugby league team.
A lot of us have been involved in the game
and we're still involved in the game as we speak, at
international level, club level, at provincial level. Our sort of
driver at the moment, it's just we've put together a
really good strong case. We have the supporter of government,
so we've been up and seeing Prime ministers. We've We've
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got sports ministers that have supported this, obviously the Auckland
cland powerhouse in terms of the Mayor of Auckland, you
know Wayne Brown, We've got the CEO supporting net Sultan
and that from Eden Park. We're putting up us foot
forward and right now it's been received. We're like everybody,
we're waiting to get a reply back. There was mention
of it today by another reporter that Andrew Abdoz talked about,
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you know, the nineteenth team and the twentieth team and
they resume negotiations in March tiff.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Is it solely PACIFICA? Are you only looking at employing
Pololand Salmon, Marty new Way and took the loans and
the like as well. Look, we are a PACIFICA entity.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
We will be PACIFICA owned as well, and obviously we're
learning on investments to keep us sustainable. We want to
employ as many Polynesian people as possible indigenous, but at
the same time we all agreed that to compete in
this competition like we do in the international space as
PACIFICA entities, we have to get the best people for
the job. There's a lot of people involved that we're
bringing into the PACIFICA and you know we've air marked
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then we're but we're talking to very you know, we're
talking to the top top coaches in the NRM at
the moment, and we know we're in really good stead
at the moment with with with the coaching, uh team
that we're looking at when successful for this this bid.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And so yeah, athletes, but the athletes, it's not a
purely PACIFICA lineup, is it.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
Look, we we want to be PACIFICA only at the moment.
And I was asked this from the very beginning. But
what we're what we've you know, and we've been telling
people this, it's a Pacific Indigenous. So we're talking about
kids that are of PACIFICA and Indigenous descent, Mold descent. Now,
a lot of our kids, as I said to your
mixed breed that we've got a lot of our kids
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that are sort of star on OSSI. You know, their
tongue and Ossy, they're they're tongue in Kiwi. Uh, they're
they're Cook Island French. Look, my my boys play footy,
so my actually have kids that play regular league and
my kids are some on Croatian. So you know, we're
certainly looking at PACIFICA and Indigenous kids. And obviously a
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lot of our kids these days, I no longer full blooded.
They were a mixed of you know, nationalities and the heritage.
But our pushes towards you know, PACIFICA and Indigenous. But yes,
certainly we'll look at other nations provided they do have
you know, heritage or pacificaor and Indigenous descent.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
No pure blooded scotsman in your side, yes.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Well I got as you know, I'm brown, brown Sarmon heritage.
But also we've got of Scottish heritage and I can't
be Yeah, you can't be full blood in Scottish if
you wanted to play for our team, I know. It's
We're not prejudice, it's just that. So that's that's the
whole reason why we're doing this is to empower the
Pacific and to ensure that we're providing you know, more
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opportunities in this space. There's a lot of teams that
can play for as you know, there's the seventeen other
teams that are providing you know, NRL and and positions.
Our pushes towards Indigenous and Pacific. So that's how that's
our mentor.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Now on that note, Jeff, thanks very much for joining us,
Papa Dully, Jeff Brown, wishing you the best of like
for this looking forward with keen interest to see how
it develops. Thank you, Thank you so much forget the
riffs call you make the call on.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports US Talk.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Twenty three after seven on a Thursday nine and Mona
Pacifica NRL consortium lead Jeff Brown talking to us about
the side, the point of difference, what it's going to
take where a lot of the staff and the players
are going to come from. Where are they going to
find eyeballs, Where are they going to find backsides to
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support this team? The drive behind it? Is that a
convincing argument that you've just heard. What's essentially very different. Well,
when you look at the NRL teams in christ Juts
that want to turn up and join the party that
have so far been pushed back. Their point of difference
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is a huge lean on Pacifica also including the Marty
in there. With EWE backing. He said, I don't want
to sound prejudice, but in essence we want to have
our team with Mary Pacifica players on them and some
mix of that within our side, so unlikely you'll get
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Sam Tompkins over here playing for them. Now, that is
the big point of difference with this team, fiercely proud
of an island heritage, utilizing the support base that they
believe is in Auckland. You are about to get away
with this in christ Church. It's a very different theory.
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Their point of difference in this based on the fact
there is a lot of Pacific Island players, what forty
eight percent it was the last count that are playing
in the NRL. They can come back to Auckland where
a lot of these players originate, very very strong team.
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Will that be enough to get bums on seats? Will
that be enough to get eyeballs? Will that be enough
to change people's minds about their sports viewing habits? This
is actually in the park TV, you are very important
in the park. Is it enough? It's a convincing argument.
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There is a large Pacific population in Auckland, the biggest
Pacific city. There is enough to warrant this expansion the
catchment area. I'm interested to say some games will be
going over to the islands as well. Is this enough?
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Do you think? Because at the moment we've seen the
NRL not being overly enthusiastic about a New Zealand expansion team.
I've got money and no camps. What's with no skin
in any gain? Personally, I would like to see it
in the South Island just because it gives the South
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Island population access to the NRAL and got a brand
new stadium. Makes a bit of sense. Even though this
no A PACIFICA team has got a sound idea behind it,
and even though Jeff Brown's just told us that at
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one point seven million people in Auckland and Sydney have
got heaps of teams and Brisbanes have got heaps of
team and there's plenty big enough to support. I don't
think Auckland is big enough to support another team. Proved
me wrong. Nothing against the consortium to me. I don't
see it separating the support base for the Warriors. I
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don't see a lot of people who love NRL moving.
Maybe I'm wrong, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I
don't think there's room. I want them to be room.
I'd love a second team, of course, I would a
love league. I just don't think it's realistic. Is there space?
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And just quietly, last time you checked down the back
of the couch. Did you find an NRL consortium bid?
Because they're everywhere? Twenty eight minutes after seven Sports Talk
on News TALKSZB lines are open eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Is there room in Auckland or New Zealand flat out
for another NRL franchise? It's trying a bit too hard
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on this. It's difficult to separate the noise, isn't it.
It seems it's constantly someone waving their flag? Why is
raven one hundred eighty ten eighty looking forty? You call?
You can also text on nineteen ninet two z B
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Speaker 8 (21:49):
We suck.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
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Speaker 2 (22:07):
One Sports talkunt News Storms there B. I'm actually looking
forward to your call. So one hundred and eighty ten
eighties is it room here? Is there a room for
and I say room in New Zealand and specifically in
Auckland because this is where this team proposing, this is
where this new team is based manor PACIFICA. I don't
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think there is hi, Mike, how are you hi?
Speaker 9 (22:35):
My solution, mate, would be to move the Wawriors to
cross it and then shut the chet Auckland your winner.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Why why would you move a support base and a
team that's basically tattooed on the bottom of Auckland. It's
not going to leave anything.
Speaker 9 (22:55):
Really, they've been a failure for Warriors. The results failure
I mean obviously a bit of a scanning, but the
resultimate much food.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Well, they haven't want to chance, they want to chationship,
but they can Sharks. Would you call them a failure?
They won one and fifty years.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
Yeah, well, yeah, true. That's just an idea. But I
think you know the South Auckland go off. Look at
Tom and Sam in a World Cup. Big.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Isn't Penrose South enough Auckland's it's close, It's not North Harbor.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
No, you know, I don't look they will.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I appreciate you calling, Mike, thanks very much for your idea.
I disagree, but they're all ideas, right. You can't shoot
them all down. It seems strange that you remove one
stalwart and barnacle somewhere else you can try and produce
another one. I'm not quite sure how well, the Warriors
that go down in christ Hi ian a mate.
Speaker 10 (23:57):
I don't know what that God was all about this before,
but the Warriors are staying up Auckland, and I think
christ Shoot needs to think definitely the South Woland needs
to team.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Are you from the South Island, you're in North Islander.
Speaker 10 (24:10):
I'm originally from the North Island but I've been down
in South Island for the last twenty seven years. I've
just come back up. But I do believe that South
Island has got some good rugby league players and for me,
it's why not have won in each island? Don't be selfish?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Well, I like the geographical geographical spread and if you
know a wee bit about the history of rugby league,
it's pretty rich. Yeah in the South on the West coast.
Speaker 10 (24:43):
Oh, definitely, it's huge down South Island. And I still
believe that the Pacific Islands need a rugby league team
as well, because the majority of rugby league players here
in Australia are Pacific Islanders.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Well, it's forty eight percing it last counts, it's pretty
much it's kind of fifty to fifty.
Speaker 10 (25:01):
It's split fifty to fifty. Yeah, yeah, and some of
the greatest rugby league players are Pacific Islanders. But you
need to split it up, you.
Speaker 11 (25:09):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 10 (25:10):
Like, so Christians needs a team, Auckland needs a team.
I mean, Christian's is a metropolitan city of the South Island.
You've got Auckland.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Christ's going to brand new shiny stadium and had nothing
like that. Yees peck. Regardless.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
Yeah, I'm moving back down the at the end of
the year, I'm going I'm going back so what I
call home. So I do believe that the Pacific Islands
need regular team, but christ Use needs one as well.
I mean some of the greatest rugby league players come
from Cross Use, same as Auckland, the North Island. So
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let's split it up.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's all about sharing the lover, isn't it? Ian? Thanks
for your call. I'd had an eighty ten eighty if
you like your voice, Hi, Paul.
Speaker 12 (25:58):
Yeah, Hey, duty's up?
Speaker 9 (26:00):
I am Yeah.
Speaker 12 (26:03):
I do agree with that last call of that new
shiny stadium in christ Church. They deserve a franchise, whereas
league soccer, basketball or what went basketball.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
But you know what I mean, there's a lot to
grab people's attention in Auckland City and I'm fascinated as
to why mine. I think they're going to be able
to get those backsides on seats.
Speaker 12 (26:26):
Look, look, I think i'm you know, because I'm married
to Tamar and girl love the Warriors. I think, get
another franchise down there. We've got a pathway for Pacific
and Murray and Tongans and they you know, we've got
that pathway there already. I just think, like, you know,
what the Strangers have done worth their origin and they
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allow like the Summer and the Tongans to play origin
and play for their country. I mean, honestly, I was
in somehow D'Arcy twenty two when THEO made the World
Cup final that week before, and you know, I've been
arounding Europe and I've seen you know the soccer teams,
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you know going the fans aren't mad, but I never
think anything like that. There were just the fans and
the pickup trucks just like you've never ever seen it.
They absolutely love it. And I mean, we don't need
a race based team to compliment it with. We can
get another team in christ Church. If we don't get
team in christ Church, I'm sure they a league will
move on. There's a vacancy there, Darcy, and you know
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that's sort of thing we need and we should be
focusing on.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
On your Paul, Thanks very much for your opinion, Love
you work. Twenty three minutes to eight lines open, still
plenty of time for you to climb on board and
give us your opinion. A lot of texts. I'll read
through some of these texts eventually. Not room up here
for two, Room in New Zealand for two, and a
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lot of texts talking about the race based selection, a
team designed to create pathways for young Polynesians and many
that triggered quite a few people out there. Surprise surprise,
twenty two away from eight Sports talk here and news
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talks here, bo heavy, Oh night, no break for me.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
I'm a dumble side of whiskey.
Speaker 12 (28:31):
They jes.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
There's a party Cembardy one Sports Talk on the news
Talks ABM, Darcy walder Grave, thanks for your time, thanks
for your ears, thanks for your attention, and thanks for
calling O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. We're
in for a second. From team in Auckland. I think
there is in New Zealand. I don't think Orlanders cares
too hoots about what happens over here quite frankly doesn't.
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Is there room in Auckland for another franchise? Dean? How
are you?
Speaker 8 (29:04):
I get it? Guys. Look, my thoughts of this is
that you've got an amazing capability for Auckland one quarter
to eight million, and we've got NRL rugby and so
many that look at American football as well.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
So what do you do?
Speaker 8 (29:28):
How do you take the capability from At the moment,
rugby is the way you take a forward, but the
money is and my thought if you really want to
be taking accord as an American football, that's my thought. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I appreciate your call, Dean, but it's more about is
there room for another NRL franchise? I think that if
you there is football played over here, but you're going
to set up a football club here to play in
what league, when and where, that would seem like an
absolute money flush. I get it. And there's some players
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through Australia that have gone to America and done particularly
well for themselves. But it's not a flood. I think
you can look at what the population want to play
and what to do and breathe from there. Thanks for
your Calledean News talks areb seventeen minutes to eight. Couple
of quick texts for you, Darcy, I think that was
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quite racist what he said. How would anyone get on
if I stated they want a white only team? That
would really not go down well. I think that racist
is an interesting term, Glenda prejudiced discrimination. From what I
can gather, that's generally against a segment of society, a
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racial segment, an ethnic group that is a minority and
its marginalized. And I think the last people in New
Zealand that are marginalized or a minority of white people.
So I can't agree with that statement, but thank you anyway,
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Auckland is perfect for another n OL team. Big appetite
of the Warrior is selling it every game last year.
Personally support both teams and we possible attend more games
or as in Mana PACIFICA will then have their games
in christ Church to build up the farm fan base
for a third team there one day. See look, everybody
can have a love in there and it's fantastic. And
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then Darcy, I got the answer. North Auckland Bears based
out of Aubany Stadium, Albany. Sorry, I grew up in
a place in Christ's called Saint Albans, so I always
say Albany when it's Albany instead of Saint Albans. It's
just excuse me of that Darcy North South battle of
the Auckland Bears in Albany Stadium and another character says, look,
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christ has got a brand new stadium. What a way
to end the of rebuilding after the quakes. A brand
new city team. Something positive there you go. I think
generally people want to see a secondary NRL team. Whether
there is room for it in Auckland, a distinct pacificer
flavor to it up for debate. Will there be another
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consortium reaching out? Absolutely, someone from Hamilton's going to start
next Wellington to go right, but they gave up Dunedin
News Talk's EB that's caught it away. Coming up next
format black Caps head coach Mike Hessen finding a try
series tomorrow nights, the black Caps taking on in Pakistan
(32:50):
at the same venue. They'll be playing Pakistan next Wednesday
in the opening match of the Champions Trophy and then
they're touring over here Pakistan Fest. More from mister Hesson
up next here on Newstalk's EB eleven minutes eight Marcus
(33:18):
lash marks last night's coming up after the news package
at eight o'clock. From now till then, though, we'll talk
about of cricket. Former black Caps head coach Mike Kessen
joins us now as we look toward the final of
the Tri Series as Pakistan take on New Zealand. Mike's
with us now. Welcome mate, Good evening, Darcy.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
How are you.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I'm very good looking forward to the Champions Trophy and
as a bit of a plates holder, we've got the
final of that Tri Series coming up tomorrow night as
the black Caps take on yet again Pakistan. It's going
to be a repeat dose when they turn up over
here as well, and after what Pakistan did with South
Africa yesterday, it could be a run fest. It was
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seven hundred plus runs mate in forty nine overs.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Yeah, I mean, you know, having spent a lot of
time in Pakistan over the last sort of twelve months
or so, the wickets are flat. January February certainly when
they're at their flattest because they're all fresh. So I
would expect the whole of the Champions Trophy, or particularly
the match is held in Pakistan will be high scoring,
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
About that. So this is not a slur on the
bowling attacks of any side we've seen so far. They're
just very flat decks that that's good to know. How
do you combat that with the ball?
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Well, you've got to take wickets and you've got to
find ways of taking wickets. So I mean they are
you know, t twenty games sides are making two fifty
over there, so you know you would expect well over
three hundred, and as I said, if you don't take wickets,
it's very hard to defend. So yeah, you've got to
try and swing the ball up front, and from a
spin bowling point of view, it's all about changing angles
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and trying to set some funky fields to create some
wicket taking opportunities.
Speaker 11 (34:59):
Otherwise, Yeah, it can be pretty tough to contain.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
It sounds custom made for the new skipper mixed. He's
got a tricky mind when it comes to setting fields
and we know what he can do with the ball.
A lot on him to lead from the front.
Speaker 11 (35:14):
Yeah, without doubt.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
I mean he has you know, he has with white
ball for years now for New Zealand, so there's no
I don't expect it will be any different, you know,
between Mitch and Michael Bracewhoor who's you know, got better
and better with the ball over the last you know,
since he's come back from injury, they'll be asked to
do a big role and I'm sure it will be
about containing but as I said, it will be about
trying to take those middle over wickets. It can't all
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be relied on Matt Henry just to do it up front,
so you know, the spinners and the likes of overall
and seers are going to have to play their part
as well.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Looked pretty fearsome when I saw him first up he
went for a couple, but he looked again like he's
got that inherent aggression and that late steeple bounce as well.
Difficult enough on these decks or he's just serving things
up on a plate.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
I think Karachi in particular it can be quite steep bounce,
so I mean that will be he'll be really useful
there and once.
Speaker 11 (36:06):
Again that game against Pakistan.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
You know, Pakistan players don't generally like the steep bounce,
so I think O'Rourke will certainly have a role to
play there. Obviously, the South Africans are a little bit
more used to playing that, and even Bretski talked about
how challenging O'Rourke was in the previous match. So yeah,
I think O'Rourke will play a big role, as I
said it, particularly against the subcontinent sides, which is actually
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the whole of the Champions Trophy. You know. Paul A
is New Zealand and three subcontinent teams, so he will
play a big role.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah. I was going to mention that that seems slightly loaded,
doesn't it. But I suppose if you've got to win
the Champions Trophy and the beauty of an understandable format
like this, you just got to keep winning, don't you. Yeah,
look you do.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
I mean the first game against Pakistan in Karachi, which is,
you know, funnily enough, a repeat to the final here,
is pretty much going to dictate New Zealand's future, really.
I mean they should be they should be Bangladesh and
Raa Pindy and a run fast up there against India
in Dubai will be a challenge. Not as much of
a challenge as it was, you know, without Bomber being there,
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but a challenge, no doubt, you know. So that one
game against Pakistan will be critical, Yeah, I think we
pretty much know whether we're going to be involved in
a semi finals after that match.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I would suggest what happens with Tom Latham. He's under
the pump right now, consecutive ducks, three on the bounce
so far he's got the gloves. I doubt they'll give
it to Conway or Phillips. How long does he last?
What would you do in this situation with the lack
of form he finds himself.
Speaker 11 (37:42):
Look, I mean betting in the middle over.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
Is an ODI cricket is challenging and can happen at
any stage. I mean Tom's you know, three ducks in
a row, he'll be here.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
We got it.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
He's got out three different ways. So it's not like
as a there's a pattern to his dismissals. And he's
one of our better players of spin. So it's not
like we've got.
Speaker 11 (37:58):
Another middle order player ready to take over.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
I mean Chapman potentially, But you know, Conway is, you know,
is a push as a keeper in T twenty cricket,
let alone, thinking he's going to do it in odie.
I so Tom Nathan will be there for the rest
of the Champions Trophy and rightfully so, and I.
Speaker 11 (38:16):
Think he's still you know, if New Zealand are going
to win the Champions.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Trophy, Tom's going to have to do a great job
through the middle against spin.
Speaker 11 (38:23):
So yeah, I wouldn't be too worried about it at
the moment. Obviously it's a chance to review it again.
At the end of the Champions Trophy.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It looked a characters like Glenn Phillips, a lot of
pressure on him. I suppose to tweaker we but to
assault the leather with his willow. He's in form right now?
Is the time right, do you think for him? Oh?
Speaker 6 (38:42):
Look, I think so. I mean he hadn't scored an
ODI one hundred before this tournament. You know, he scored
fifty runs in the last four overs himself, so we
know that he can be destructive. And New Zealand has always,
you know, been searching for that that real finisher that
you know, the likes of the West, and he's often
have you know, players that can be really destructive in
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the last five to ten overs. And between Michael full
you know, Satner and Glenn Phillips, you've got three players
there who who can take the game by the scruff
for the next so and Phillips is certainly the most
dominant of those.
Speaker 11 (39:16):
But look, he's in great touch.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
He looked confident and took down Shahenshaha Fredi for twenty
five in the last over, which is is a pretty
tough feat.
Speaker 11 (39:25):
So clearly he's pretty confident in his own game.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And as far as the bottom line up, Mike Keessing
goes and we'll let you go shortly. You're happy enough
with the attack, they're going to have you mention the
spinners and how key is going to be for the
You've got a rot, You've got Henry ben Sears. Comfortable
enough with that?
Speaker 6 (39:41):
Yeah, I don't think they've got any other options. I mean,
they picked ben Sears to be that middle over enforcer.
Speaker 11 (39:46):
He's he's perfect for that role. You know, he's got
a s speed.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
As long as he stays on the park, he can
create a bit of reverse swinging if that's on offer,
especially you know maybe in a week to ten days
time when there's a couple of years wickets out there.
He's a guy who can you know, attack new batters
with a bit of pace and bowls of skin bounces.
So you know, I think the attacks as good as
it's got at the moment obviously worth you know, a
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couple of injuries heading into the tournament. That's pretty much
the three seamers they've gotten, and Phillips says, your sixth bowler.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
There you go, dun and dusted. Looking forward to Friday night,
held of no sleep. Saturday Morning show is going to
be awful, but so be it. I'm an addict, as
I'm sure you are as well. Mike Hesson form when
his own coach, thanks very much for your time, pleasure.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Does the right call?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Is your call?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
On eight hundred eighty eighty Sports Talk All on your
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Speaker 2 (40:38):
Talk the forman He's helling coach Mike Ksson. He said
air speed, didn't he? That's what Sears has got, speed
through the air. Steepling bounced. What I found fascinating about
that conversation is plainly we've seen that it's been borne
out of the scores that we've seen in this tri
series so far, even though one of the teams South
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Africans well opposedly a second string stick and string team,
but yeah, they were smashing runs all over the park.
Is that at this time of year in Pakistan, specifically,
the decks are flat and easy to bat on. It's
going to be a run fest. Totally backing Tom Latham.
Who else are you going to use? He's only been
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a bit pulled for the last three games. It's not
going to carry on like that. Surely No, it's not
Young v Conway. Woe. Comma might have the inn there.
You want to hear some car smash radio, you tune
in on Saturday morning to the All Sport Breakfast because
I would have had no sleep. Oh my producer, Andy's
(41:44):
not laughing. It's funny, very funny at all funny that hey,
Thanks for listening, thanks for texting, thanks for calling, and
as always thanks Andy, love your work. My name's Darcy Watergrave.
Signing off for another day and another dollar. Catch you
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Cracker good Ey. We'm going to sports Talk. It's a
firstday night. It's seven and seventh time thin ninth February
twenty twenty five. Them Darcy Waldgrave, good evening, good day,
good man. Coming up in this episode, in this edition,
in this version of sports Talk, we bet a cricket
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and we bet a rugby league, and a whole lot
of you and probably far too much of me. That's
the plan. L eight hundred and eighty ten eighty free
Fund number Nation one nineteen nine two isn't a text
standard text charge does apply the scene you're going to
be talking about Mana Pacifica, the NRL proposition, a new
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team in Auckland City, another team in Auckland City fighting
amongst Muana Pasifica and the Blues and everybody else. Another
consortium trying to launch an NRL side in New Zealand.
Three in the South Island gone by the wayside, or
they will say they are still relevant and there let's
(01:41):
not discount them. And now Auckland have climbed in as well.
We've got the consortium lead Jeff Brown joining us shortly
to talk about this. Take your calls. We've really got
I think New Zealand have probably got room for two
NRL sides. Probably possibly, Yeah, I'd say Auckland to an
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Auckland and I wonder we're getting consortium fatigue. One turns
up every half an hour. Not sure what drives all
of this and if there is a want out there,
let me know. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty talk
about that on the piece. And then Mike Hessen joins
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us for the head coach of the black Caps. Black
Caps from the final against Pakistan of this tri series
they're playing tomorrow and then they get to play the
same team again of the same venue on Wednesday at
the start of the Champions Trophy. What are they looking
to learn out of this matches? Their room for Tom
Latham and how's their form going into this short sharp
(02:50):
series posts the Trice series. That's all coming up here
on News Talk z B. Before that, though, as Pearl,
let's do this today and it's for today. Who worries?
Coach Andrew Webster has explained how his co captaincy decision
I was patently obvious after Fisher Harris's shadow was cast
over training.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It would be pretty obvious that Barney was going to
be our captain. He'd done a great job when Toy,
who didn't play last year. We never wanted Fish to
have to come here and have the responsibility of captain,
and we just wanted him to play really good footy.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
But he hit the ground running with his leadership straight away.
They naturally just bounced off each other, drove our standards.
Rear vision Mirror's best off of the Crowbuck Blues. Task
Master Cotta knows exactly where his team's folks needs to be.
Vern says, earn it this year twenty twenty four means nothing.
There's no credit for winning last year.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
We're at zero, so we're very pragmatic and know that
we just got to go from plays to play, stay
in the moment and do the best we can.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Free into the Phoenix means eleven. Nuba Chico giraldi Is
explains his drive. The twenty nine year old Portuguese attacking midfielder.
He talks a good game for the locker room.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I'm a very friendly gay. The most important thing from
is the team, and on the pitch, I'm a very
creative player. I like to associate a lot with my
teammates through passing, making a lot of assists, and I
hope that I can help the team get more points.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And height on his boss man Jamie Joseph is temporarily
reunited with old accomplised Tony Brown ahead of the Southern
men's opening Super Rugby Pacific match.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
He's obviously a big part of this club. Played one
hundred games for the Henders, very successful coach, continues to
be a successful coach at the top end of the game.
Just getting his eyes really and his experience.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, good move, Why wouldn't you? And that's sport today.
Eleven minutes after seven money excuse me, Minor PACIFICA consortium
lead Jeff Brown joins the program next again looking at
bringing another NRL side, a second NRL side to the
shows about you know this time though to make him
(05:04):
a cooto. Nothing to do with the South and we'll
find out more about that.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Jeffy joins us. Now, good evening, made hid he there's
a chance that consortium fatigue might set in. This is
another one. We know we've got three in the South Island.
Now we've got one up here in Auckland. What makes
this any more likely to be introduced to the NRLJF.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
I've actually met with a few of the other bids
in South Island and as I said that, I've been
involved in the international space for a while now and
even in the community capacity, so we've we've seen what
the what the game can provide Pacific. But more importantly
having I'm born in Auckland, raised here, I played both
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both rugby league and rugby union, and I played another
other sports as well for Auckland. But I think the
big thing is right now that the game's going through growth,
and obviously Pacific is a huge part of that. I
think fifty plus is now within the NR and that's growing.
The numbers are growing, particularly in the in the in
the in the sort of youth area. So the future
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looks right for PACIFICA in the NRL. But more importantly,
it just comes down to I mean I've traveled a
lot for work, I've played sport nationally and through my travels,
you know we're talking about Auckland business. It's just a
bigger city, you know, one point seven million people. Wellington's
got four hundred thousand plus criture to four hundred thousand plus.
(06:34):
It just makes sense for us that you know, Auckland
cancer stained a team and there's questions around the Warriors. Well,
the Warriors have been around thirty years now, you know
they're they're established, and they know where they're going, where
they're heading and under you know, ownership with the one owner. Now,
I think the Warriors are going to do fantastic. What
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we believe is another team in Auckland is only going
to lift the game where where there is sustainability the numbers.
I mean, as I said to you that rugby Rugby's
take in a bit of a duty itself and right
now Ragby League thriving. You only have to look at
the Pacific influence across the international game. As I said
on part of Armor, we've seen the growth of our
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nation with limited resources to make a Grand final on
the World Cup. Now that's huge and in the context
of the game, and Tom is just flying off the
seat at the moment. They're sleeping giants that are just
doing huge things in the game. Cook Islands are not
far behind that and neither of the Pasific nation. So
we believe that at Auckland would lift the game. But
it also provides the sustainability because we've got a lot
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of kids and leaving this country. We've got a lot
of young people leaving New Zealand to pursue a career
in Australia. And look, there's nine clubs in Sydney, there's
four clubs in Queensland, two in Brisbane. I don't think
it's a I don't think it's a case of I
can you know too in Auckland. I pretly believe it's
a matter of providing a model that can sustain and
(08:02):
even hold our talent and stop this extodus of young
because we've been part of it. I've been working with
young coaches, young teams, and I'm not the only one
the other nations and we're losing I think one hundred
and fifty to two hundred kids a year just from
the Auckland and probably the wider some of the other regions.
And that's a lot of talent to be losing here
in utchet Are Jeff.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
What makes you think though, that another franchise can actually
breathe in Auckland When you look at AFC, I mean
that's not right across the season, but it doesn'tterfare. You've
got the Warriors, you've got the Blues, You've got Mona Pussifka.
There's only so many eyeballs and so many bums in
a particular city, So what gives you confidence that you
can actually, I suppose paddle to swim to keep your
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head above water.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
As I said to you, we're involved in the international space,
so regionally, we're a lot of us are based here.
A lot of the players that are playing in the
international space originally came from the Auckland Wellington cross Watch
sort of regions. In terms of their football careers, they
don't buying their careers across the ditch, but Auckland still
has a strongholds, still the largest Polyingian city, and we
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have a lot of intestinal involvement. We're also taking the
game to the island, so Albert actually includes the Pacific Islands,
which means our home games we played at Eden Park,
and we're also taking games back to some more too,
Tonga into the Cook Island, so we're we're looking to
pick up a lot of support through the island regions
as well. It's not just that. And then we've got
Newey in Turkila who are part of it. One of
(09:30):
the other things that's not really mentioned as PACIFICA. We're
also indigenous, so we've just we've actually signed with an
ewing so Tucker Defenerway, which will be announced in the
in the coming weeks. So having having you know, Indigenous
the Marias behind what we're doing as well is only
going to add a bit of weight to what we're doing.
So you know, you only have to look at the
way that you know, like the players that we're looking
(09:53):
after now aren't just full blood and Salmans. We have
a really hybrid A lot of these kids are mixed
bread now, so you know it's it's not just the
PACIFICA community we are. You know a lot of these
kids that will be available to play for a Pacific
Indigenous team kids of various descents, so they've got a
white attachment. We're not limited just Basifiga. Obviously they're much breeds.
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But I think there's enough. I don't think it's just
so much the eyeballs. The numbers. We know the numbers.
I've been a part of the development for years here
in Auckland and through the Pacific, and we are leaning
on the Pacific Island nations to provide a bit more
talent in eyeballs.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But you're going to get people along to the event
because you need that. And that's what I say about
the amount of eyeballs and the amount of bums on seats.
You can have support and you have a net cast
wide and deep, but when push comes to shove, you
need punters, You need warm props to go and sit
in those seats. So what puts you apart that will
get people away from the Warriors or away from the Blues,
(10:48):
are away from Mowana Pacifica, because these are your biggest
problems when it comes to securing more fans.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Well, look in terms of the rugby leaf fans, if
you look at as I said, we're leaning on a
Rugby League international database in terms of what we're doing.
If you look at risk in games with Tongue or
Sam on the Cooks. Most of the games were played
in Auckland and across you know, Australia. I've nearly told
out crowds. Our numbers are huge. We're not leaning on
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the Warriors supporters to support this team. We're just leaning
on Pacifica. There's a lot of people that don't support
the Warriors. I can tell you I know hundreds and
hundred of people that don't support the Warriors, but they
will follow them whether they're watching on TV. But to pay,
you know, season tickets for the Warriors, I can tell
you now I don't. I used to be a season
ticket holder a ten years ago. I might get a
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Warrior's game. But like I said to you, I've embedded
my time and all the years that I've been working
with you with the international especially the PACIFICA teams, and
then around this game, and you know, we're quite confident
that we could pull on our communities. There's a lot
of people that won't follow Warriors, but because we're pushing
PACIFICA like they have been behind, you know, mmt or Tongue,
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Rapiay League and Raby Salmore and then the Cook Islands,
I'm confident that we can build a crowd. It's just
a manner of believing and backing our communities and getting
out to our why our churches, why are our community groups?
This is how we've survived for years. By the way,
it's not just if you go to PACIFICA events. You
go to any PACIFICA event, you know, you see polinicians
come out to support. So that's what we all are
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own at the moment and we just continue to build that.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
What about the Landes have had any contact with him
at all is notoriously difficult to actually sit down and
speak to and you've heard that from the three propositions
in the South Island. So connection with Peter villanis what's
that been like?
Speaker 7 (12:40):
Well, at the moment, our submission was only made about
a week ago, and we have a consultant working with us.
It's a former NURL executive, is an independent working with us.
He's part of the reason why we submitted about two
weeks ago. So a week ago now, so you know,
we know at the moment there's a lot of other
teams putting in birds and resubmitting and doing all sorts
of things, and we're just confident with the team that
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we have. We've got a very experienced rugby league team.
A lot of us have been involved in the game
and we're still involved in the game as we speak, at
international level, club level, at provincial level. Our sort of
driver at the moment, it's just we've put together a
really good strong case. We have the supporter of government,
so we've been up and seeing Prime ministers. We've We've
(13:24):
got sports ministers that have supported this, obviously the Auckland
cland powerhouse in terms of the Mayor of Auckland, you
know Wayne Brown, We've got the CEO supporting net Sultan
and that from Eden Park. We're putting up us foot
forward and right now it's been received. We're like everybody,
we're waiting to get a reply back. There was mention
of it today by another reporter that Andrew Abdoz talked about,
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you know, the nineteenth team and the twentieth team and
they resume negotiations in March tiff.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Is it solely PACIFICA? Are you only looking at employing
Pololand Salmon, Marty new Way and took the loans and
the like as well. Look, we are a PACIFICA entity.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
We will be PACIFICA owned as well, and obviously we're
learning on investments to keep us sustainable. We want to
employ as many Polynesian people as possible indigenous, but at
the same time we all agreed that to compete in
this competition like we do in the international space as
PACIFICA entities, we have to get the best people for
the job. There's a lot of people involved that we're
bringing into the PACIFICA and you know we've air marked
(14:29):
then we're but we're talking to very you know, we're
talking to the top top coaches in the NRM at
the moment, and we know we're in really good stead
at the moment with with with the coaching, uh team
that we're looking at when successful for this this bid.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And so yeah, athletes, but the athletes, it's not a
purely PACIFICA lineup, is it.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
Look, we we want to be PACIFICA only at the moment.
And I was asked this from the very beginning. But
what we're what we've you know, and we've been telling
people this, it's a Pacific Indigenous. So we're talking about
kids that are of PACIFICA and Indigenous descent, Mold descent. Now,
a lot of our kids, as I said to your
mixed breed that we've got a lot of our kids
(15:11):
that are sort of star on OSSI. You know, their
tongue and Ossy, they're they're tongue in Kiwi. Uh, they're
they're Cook Island French. Look, my my boys play footy,
so my actually have kids that play regular league and
my kids are some on Croatian. So you know, we're
certainly looking at PACIFICA and Indigenous kids. And obviously a
(15:32):
lot of our kids these days, I no longer full blooded.
They were a mixed of you know, nationalities and the heritage.
But our pushes towards you know, PACIFICA and Indigenous. But yes,
certainly we'll look at other nations provided they do have
you know, heritage or pacificaor and Indigenous descent.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
No pure blooded scotsman in your side, yes.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Well I got as you know, I'm brown, brown Sarmon heritage.
But also we've got of Scottish heritage and I can't
be Yeah, you can't be full blood in Scottish if
you wanted to play for our team, I know. It's
We're not prejudice, it's just that. So that's that's the
whole reason why we're doing this is to empower the
Pacific and to ensure that we're providing you know, more
(16:14):
opportunities in this space. There's a lot of teams that
can play for as you know, there's the seventeen other
teams that are providing you know, NRL and and positions.
Our pushes towards Indigenous and Pacific. So that's how that's
our mentor.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Now on that note, Jeff, thanks very much for joining us,
Papa Dully, Jeff Brown, wishing you the best of like
for this looking forward with keen interest to see how
it develops. Thank you, Thank you so much forget the
riffs call you make the call on.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports US Talk.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Twenty three after seven on a Thursday nine and Mona
Pacifica NRL consortium lead Jeff Brown talking to us about
the side, the point of difference, what it's going to
take where a lot of the staff and the players
are going to come from. Where are they going to
find eyeballs, Where are they going to find backsides to
(17:13):
support this team? The drive behind it? Is that a
convincing argument that you've just heard. What's essentially very different. Well,
when you look at the NRL teams in christ Juts
that want to turn up and join the party that
have so far been pushed back. Their point of difference
(17:37):
is a huge lean on Pacifica also including the Marty
in there. With EWE backing. He said, I don't want
to sound prejudice, but in essence we want to have
our team with Mary Pacifica players on them and some
mix of that within our side, so unlikely you'll get
(18:02):
Sam Tompkins over here playing for them. Now, that is
the big point of difference with this team, fiercely proud
of an island heritage, utilizing the support base that they
believe is in Auckland. You are about to get away
with this in christ Church. It's a very different theory.
(18:22):
Their point of difference in this based on the fact
there is a lot of Pacific Island players, what forty
eight percent it was the last count that are playing
in the NRL. They can come back to Auckland where
a lot of these players originate, very very strong team.
(18:44):
Will that be enough to get bums on seats? Will
that be enough to get eyeballs? Will that be enough
to change people's minds about their sports viewing habits? This
is actually in the park TV, you are very important
in the park. Is it enough? It's a convincing argument.
(19:11):
There is a large Pacific population in Auckland, the biggest
Pacific city. There is enough to warrant this expansion the
catchment area. I'm interested to say some games will be
going over to the islands as well. Is this enough?
(19:33):
Do you think? Because at the moment we've seen the
NRL not being overly enthusiastic about a New Zealand expansion team.
I've got money and no camps. What's with no skin
in any gain? Personally, I would like to see it
in the South Island just because it gives the South
(19:55):
Island population access to the NRAL and got a brand
new stadium. Makes a bit of sense. Even though this
no A PACIFICA team has got a sound idea behind it,
and even though Jeff Brown's just told us that at
(20:17):
one point seven million people in Auckland and Sydney have
got heaps of teams and Brisbanes have got heaps of
team and there's plenty big enough to support. I don't
think Auckland is big enough to support another team. Proved
me wrong. Nothing against the consortium to me. I don't
see it separating the support base for the Warriors. I
(20:40):
don't see a lot of people who love NRL moving.
Maybe I'm wrong, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I
don't think there's room. I want them to be room.
I'd love a second team, of course, I would a
love league. I just don't think it's realistic. Is there space?
(21:03):
And just quietly, last time you checked down the back
of the couch. Did you find an NRL consortium bid?
Because they're everywhere? Twenty eight minutes after seven Sports Talk
on News TALKSZB lines are open eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Is there room in Auckland or New Zealand flat out
for another NRL franchise? It's trying a bit too hard
(21:28):
on this. It's difficult to separate the noise, isn't it.
It seems it's constantly someone waving their flag? Why is
raven one hundred eighty ten eighty looking forty? You call?
You can also text on nineteen ninet two z B
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Speaker 8 (21:49):
We suck.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
You hear it from the biggest names in sports. Man
have your say on eight hundred eighty eighty Sports Talk
More on your home of Sports News Talks by.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
One Sports talkunt News Storms there B. I'm actually looking
forward to your call. So one hundred and eighty ten
eighties is it room here? Is there a room for
and I say room in New Zealand and specifically in
Auckland because this is where this team proposing, this is
where this new team is based manor PACIFICA. I don't
(22:30):
think there is hi, Mike, how are you hi?
Speaker 9 (22:35):
My solution, mate, would be to move the Wawriors to
cross it and then shut the chet Auckland your winner.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Why why would you move a support base and a
team that's basically tattooed on the bottom of Auckland. It's
not going to leave anything.
Speaker 9 (22:55):
Really, they've been a failure for Warriors. The results failure
I mean obviously a bit of a scanning, but the
resultimate much food.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Well, they haven't want to chance, they want to chationship,
but they can Sharks. Would you call them a failure?
They won one and fifty years.
Speaker 9 (23:12):
Yeah, well, yeah, true. That's just an idea. But I
think you know the South Auckland go off. Look at
Tom and Sam in a World Cup. Big.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Isn't Penrose South enough Auckland's it's close, It's not North Harbor.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
No, you know, I don't look they will.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I appreciate you calling, Mike, thanks very much for your idea.
I disagree, but they're all ideas, right. You can't shoot
them all down. It seems strange that you remove one
stalwart and barnacle somewhere else you can try and produce
another one. I'm not quite sure how well, the Warriors
that go down in christ Hi ian a mate.
Speaker 10 (23:57):
I don't know what that God was all about this before,
but the Warriors are staying up Auckland, and I think
christ Shoot needs to think definitely the South Woland needs
to team.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Are you from the South Island, you're in North Islander.
Speaker 10 (24:10):
I'm originally from the North Island but I've been down
in South Island for the last twenty seven years. I've
just come back up. But I do believe that South
Island has got some good rugby league players and for me,
it's why not have won in each island? Don't be selfish?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Well, I like the geographical geographical spread and if you
know a wee bit about the history of rugby league,
it's pretty rich. Yeah in the South on the West coast.
Speaker 10 (24:43):
Oh, definitely, it's huge down South Island. And I still
believe that the Pacific Islands need a rugby league team
as well, because the majority of rugby league players here
in Australia are Pacific Islanders.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Well, it's forty eight percing it last counts, it's pretty
much it's kind of fifty to fifty.
Speaker 10 (25:01):
It's split fifty to fifty. Yeah, yeah, and some of
the greatest rugby league players are Pacific Islanders. But you
need to split it up, you.
Speaker 11 (25:09):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 10 (25:10):
Like, so Christians needs a team, Auckland needs a team.
I mean, Christian's is a metropolitan city of the South Island.
You've got Auckland.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Christ's going to brand new shiny stadium and had nothing
like that. Yees peck. Regardless.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
Yeah, I'm moving back down the at the end of
the year, I'm going I'm going back so what I
call home. So I do believe that the Pacific Islands
need regular team, but christ Use needs one as well.
I mean some of the greatest rugby league players come
from Cross Use, same as Auckland, the North Island. So
(25:49):
let's split it up.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's all about sharing the lover, isn't it? Ian? Thanks
for your call. I'd had an eighty ten eighty if
you like your voice, Hi, Paul.
Speaker 12 (25:58):
Yeah, Hey, duty's up?
Speaker 9 (26:00):
I am Yeah.
Speaker 12 (26:03):
I do agree with that last call of that new
shiny stadium in christ Church. They deserve a franchise, whereas
league soccer, basketball or what went basketball.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
But you know what I mean, there's a lot to
grab people's attention in Auckland City and I'm fascinated as
to why mine. I think they're going to be able
to get those backsides on seats.
Speaker 12 (26:26):
Look, look, I think i'm you know, because I'm married
to Tamar and girl love the Warriors. I think, get
another franchise down there. We've got a pathway for Pacific
and Murray and Tongans and they you know, we've got
that pathway there already. I just think, like, you know,
what the Strangers have done worth their origin and they
(26:48):
allow like the Summer and the Tongans to play origin
and play for their country. I mean, honestly, I was
in somehow D'Arcy twenty two when THEO made the World
Cup final that week before, and you know, I've been
arounding Europe and I've seen you know the soccer teams,
(27:09):
you know going the fans aren't mad, but I never
think anything like that. There were just the fans and
the pickup trucks just like you've never ever seen it.
They absolutely love it. And I mean, we don't need
a race based team to compliment it with. We can
get another team in christ Church. If we don't get
team in christ Church, I'm sure they a league will
move on. There's a vacancy there, Darcy, and you know
(27:30):
that's sort of thing we need and we should be
focusing on.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
On your Paul, Thanks very much for your opinion, Love
you work. Twenty three minutes to eight lines open, still
plenty of time for you to climb on board and
give us your opinion. A lot of texts. I'll read
through some of these texts eventually. Not room up here
for two, Room in New Zealand for two, and a
(27:53):
lot of texts talking about the race based selection, a
team designed to create pathways for young Polynesians and many
that triggered quite a few people out there. Surprise surprise,
twenty two away from eight Sports talk here and news
(28:15):
talks here, bo heavy, Oh night, no break for me.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
I'm a dumble side of whiskey.
Speaker 12 (28:31):
They jes.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
There's a party Cembardy one Sports Talk on the news
Talks ABM, Darcy walder Grave, thanks for your time, thanks
for your ears, thanks for your attention, and thanks for
calling O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. We're
in for a second. From team in Auckland. I think
there is in New Zealand. I don't think Orlanders cares
too hoots about what happens over here quite frankly doesn't.
(28:56):
Is there room in Auckland for another franchise? Dean? How
are you?
Speaker 8 (29:04):
I get it? Guys. Look, my thoughts of this is
that you've got an amazing capability for Auckland one quarter
to eight million, and we've got NRL rugby and so
many that look at American football as well.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
So what do you do?
Speaker 8 (29:28):
How do you take the capability from At the moment,
rugby is the way you take a forward, but the
money is and my thought if you really want to
be taking accord as an American football, that's my thought. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I appreciate your call, Dean, but it's more about is
there room for another NRL franchise? I think that if
you there is football played over here, but you're going
to set up a football club here to play in
what league, when and where, that would seem like an
absolute money flush. I get it. And there's some players
(30:15):
through Australia that have gone to America and done particularly
well for themselves. But it's not a flood. I think
you can look at what the population want to play
and what to do and breathe from there. Thanks for
your Calledean News talks areb seventeen minutes to eight. Couple
of quick texts for you, Darcy, I think that was
(30:36):
quite racist what he said. How would anyone get on
if I stated they want a white only team? That
would really not go down well. I think that racist
is an interesting term, Glenda prejudiced discrimination. From what I
can gather, that's generally against a segment of society, a
(30:58):
racial segment, an ethnic group that is a minority and
its marginalized. And I think the last people in New
Zealand that are marginalized or a minority of white people.
So I can't agree with that statement, but thank you anyway,
(31:19):
Auckland is perfect for another n OL team. Big appetite
of the Warrior is selling it every game last year.
Personally support both teams and we possible attend more games
or as in Mana PACIFICA will then have their games
in christ Church to build up the farm fan base
for a third team there one day. See look, everybody
can have a love in there and it's fantastic. And
(31:41):
then Darcy, I got the answer. North Auckland Bears based
out of Aubany Stadium, Albany. Sorry, I grew up in
a place in Christ's called Saint Albans, so I always
say Albany when it's Albany instead of Saint Albans. It's
just excuse me of that Darcy North South battle of
the Auckland Bears in Albany Stadium and another character says, look,
(32:03):
christ has got a brand new stadium. What a way
to end the of rebuilding after the quakes. A brand
new city team. Something positive there you go. I think
generally people want to see a secondary NRL team. Whether
there is room for it in Auckland, a distinct pacificer
flavor to it up for debate. Will there be another
(32:28):
consortium reaching out? Absolutely, someone from Hamilton's going to start
next Wellington to go right, but they gave up Dunedin
News Talk's EB that's caught it away. Coming up next
format black Caps head coach Mike Hessen finding a try
series tomorrow nights, the black Caps taking on in Pakistan
(32:50):
at the same venue. They'll be playing Pakistan next Wednesday
in the opening match of the Champions Trophy and then
they're touring over here Pakistan Fest. More from mister Hesson
up next here on Newstalk's EB eleven minutes eight Marcus
(33:18):
lash marks last night's coming up after the news package
at eight o'clock. From now till then, though, we'll talk
about of cricket. Former black Caps head coach Mike Kessen
joins us now as we look toward the final of
the Tri Series as Pakistan take on New Zealand. Mike's
with us now. Welcome mate, Good evening, Darcy.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
How are you.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I'm very good looking forward to the Champions Trophy and
as a bit of a plates holder, we've got the
final of that Tri Series coming up tomorrow night as
the black Caps take on yet again Pakistan. It's going
to be a repeat dose when they turn up over
here as well, and after what Pakistan did with South
Africa yesterday, it could be a run fest. It was
(34:00):
seven hundred plus runs mate in forty nine overs.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Yeah, I mean, you know, having spent a lot of
time in Pakistan over the last sort of twelve months
or so, the wickets are flat. January February certainly when
they're at their flattest because they're all fresh. So I
would expect the whole of the Champions Trophy, or particularly
the match is held in Pakistan will be high scoring,
no doubt.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
About that. So this is not a slur on the
bowling attacks of any side we've seen so far. They're
just very flat decks that that's good to know. How
do you combat that with the ball?
Speaker 6 (34:33):
Well, you've got to take wickets and you've got to
find ways of taking wickets. So I mean they are
you know, t twenty games sides are making two fifty
over there, so you know you would expect well over
three hundred, and as I said, if you don't take wickets,
it's very hard to defend. So yeah, you've got to
try and swing the ball up front, and from a
spin bowling point of view, it's all about changing angles
(34:54):
and trying to set some funky fields to create some
wicket taking opportunities.
Speaker 11 (34:59):
Otherwise, Yeah, it can be pretty tough to contain.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
It sounds custom made for the new skipper mixed. He's
got a tricky mind when it comes to setting fields
and we know what he can do with the ball.
A lot on him to lead from the front.
Speaker 11 (35:14):
Yeah, without doubt.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
I mean he has you know, he has with white
ball for years now for New Zealand, so there's no
I don't expect it will be any different, you know,
between Mitch and Michael Bracewhoor who's you know, got better
and better with the ball over the last you know,
since he's come back from injury, they'll be asked to
do a big role and I'm sure it will be
about containing but as I said, it will be about
trying to take those middle over wickets. It can't all
(35:37):
be relied on Matt Henry just to do it up front,
so you know, the spinners and the likes of overall
and seers are going to have to play their part
as well.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Looked pretty fearsome when I saw him first up he
went for a couple, but he looked again like he's
got that inherent aggression and that late steeple bounce as well.
Difficult enough on these decks or he's just serving things
up on a plate.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
I think Karachi in particular it can be quite steep bounce,
so I mean that will be he'll be really useful
there and once.
Speaker 11 (36:06):
Again that game against Pakistan.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
You know, Pakistan players don't generally like the steep bounce,
so I think O'Rourke will certainly have a role to
play there. Obviously, the South Africans are a little bit
more used to playing that, and even Bretski talked about
how challenging O'Rourke was in the previous match. So yeah,
I think O'Rourke will play a big role, as I
said it, particularly against the subcontinent sides, which is actually
(36:30):
the whole of the Champions Trophy. You know. Paul A
is New Zealand and three subcontinent teams, so he will
play a big role.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah. I was going to mention that that seems slightly loaded,
doesn't it. But I suppose if you've got to win
the Champions Trophy and the beauty of an understandable format
like this, you just got to keep winning, don't you. Yeah,
look you do.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
I mean the first game against Pakistan in Karachi, which is,
you know, funnily enough, a repeat to the final here,
is pretty much going to dictate New Zealand's future, really.
I mean they should be they should be Bangladesh and
Raa Pindy and a run fast up there against India
in Dubai will be a challenge. Not as much of
a challenge as it was, you know, without Bomber being there,
(37:11):
but a challenge, no doubt, you know. So that one
game against Pakistan will be critical, Yeah, I think we
pretty much know whether we're going to be involved in
a semi finals after that match.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I would suggest what happens with Tom Latham. He's under
the pump right now, consecutive ducks, three on the bounce
so far he's got the gloves. I doubt they'll give
it to Conway or Phillips. How long does he last?
What would you do in this situation with the lack
of form he finds himself.
Speaker 11 (37:42):
Look, I mean betting in the middle over.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
Is an ODI cricket is challenging and can happen at
any stage. I mean Tom's you know, three ducks in
a row, he'll be here.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
We got it.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
He's got out three different ways. So it's not like
as a there's a pattern to his dismissals. And he's
one of our better players of spin. So it's not
like we've got.
Speaker 11 (37:58):
Another middle order player ready to take over.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
I mean Chapman potentially, But you know, Conway is, you know,
is a push as a keeper in T twenty cricket,
let alone, thinking he's going to do it in odie.
I so Tom Nathan will be there for the rest
of the Champions Trophy and rightfully so, and I.
Speaker 11 (38:16):
Think he's still you know, if New Zealand are going
to win the Champions.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Trophy, Tom's going to have to do a great job
through the middle against spin.
Speaker 11 (38:23):
So yeah, I wouldn't be too worried about it at
the moment. Obviously it's a chance to review it again.
At the end of the Champions Trophy.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It looked a characters like Glenn Phillips, a lot of
pressure on him. I suppose to tweaker we but to
assault the leather with his willow. He's in form right now?
Is the time right, do you think for him? Oh?
Speaker 6 (38:42):
Look, I think so. I mean he hadn't scored an
ODI one hundred before this tournament. You know, he scored
fifty runs in the last four overs himself, so we
know that he can be destructive. And New Zealand has always,
you know, been searching for that that real finisher that
you know, the likes of the West, and he's often
have you know, players that can be really destructive in
(39:03):
the last five to ten overs. And between Michael full
you know, Satner and Glenn Phillips, you've got three players
there who who can take the game by the scruff
for the next so and Phillips is certainly the most
dominant of those.
Speaker 11 (39:16):
But look, he's in great touch.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
He looked confident and took down Shahenshaha Fredi for twenty
five in the last over, which is is a pretty
tough feat.
Speaker 11 (39:25):
So clearly he's pretty confident in his own game.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And as far as the bottom line up, Mike Keessing
goes and we'll let you go shortly. You're happy enough
with the attack, they're going to have you mention the
spinners and how key is going to be for the
You've got a rot, You've got Henry ben Sears. Comfortable
enough with that?
Speaker 6 (39:41):
Yeah, I don't think they've got any other options. I mean,
they picked ben Sears to be that middle over enforcer.
Speaker 11 (39:46):
He's he's perfect for that role. You know, he's got
a s speed.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
As long as he stays on the park, he can
create a bit of reverse swinging if that's on offer,
especially you know maybe in a week to ten days
time when there's a couple of years wickets out there.
He's a guy who can you know, attack new batters
with a bit of pace and bowls of skin bounces.
So you know, I think the attacks as good as
it's got at the moment obviously worth you know, a
(40:13):
couple of injuries heading into the tournament. That's pretty much
the three seamers they've gotten, and Phillips says, your sixth bowler.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
There you go, dun and dusted. Looking forward to Friday night,
held of no sleep. Saturday Morning show is going to
be awful, but so be it. I'm an addict, as
I'm sure you are as well. Mike Hesson form when
his own coach, thanks very much for your time, pleasure.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Does the right call?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Is your call?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
On eight hundred eighty eighty Sports Talk All on your
home of sports US.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Talk the forman He's helling coach Mike Ksson. He said
air speed, didn't he? That's what Sears has got, speed
through the air. Steepling bounced. What I found fascinating about
that conversation is plainly we've seen that it's been borne
out of the scores that we've seen in this tri
series so far, even though one of the teams South
(40:58):
Africans well opposedly a second string stick and string team,
but yeah, they were smashing runs all over the park.
Is that at this time of year in Pakistan, specifically,
the decks are flat and easy to bat on. It's
going to be a run fest. Totally backing Tom Latham.
Who else are you going to use? He's only been
(41:21):
a bit pulled for the last three games. It's not
going to carry on like that. Surely No, it's not
Young v Conway. Woe. Comma might have the inn there.
You want to hear some car smash radio, you tune
in on Saturday morning to the All Sport Breakfast because
I would have had no sleep. Oh my producer, Andy's
(41:44):
not laughing. It's funny, very funny at all funny that hey,
Thanks for listening, thanks for texting, thanks for calling, and
as always thanks Andy, love your work. My name's Darcy Watergrave.
Signing off for another day and another dollar. Catch you
to my
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