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Former tennis player and 1989 Aussie Open semi finalist Belinda Cordwell and Tennis NZ CEO Julie Patterson talking about Lulu Sun's historic prowess at Wimbledon.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Up, Good evening. Welcome it to Monday night sports Talk
on News Talk, said b July eight. Listen to these birthdays.
Happy birthday Devon Conway, Happy birthday melman Ninger. Happy birthday.
Former All Blacks fullback Shane Howeth. Iconic All Blacks loose
forward Waka Nathan also born on this date in nineteen forty.
He never played in a losing All Blacks test side

(00:44):
Woker Nathan he passed away in twenty twenty one, and
pioneering Maori sportswoman Jane Taheeda also shares this birth date.
Born July eighth, nineteen twenty eight. She represented New Zealand
at basketball, softball, hockey and coached rugby in the fifties
and sixties. Was made an Officer of the New Zealand

(01:05):
Order of Merit for a lifetime of service to sport
in twenty twenty one. Jane to Header passed away last
year at the age of ninety five. I'm Jason pinehow
producer Anny McDonald through the glass. We're here talking sport
until eight with you Lulusun continuing her stunning run at Wimbledon.
She had to qualify to even get into the main drawer.

(01:27):
Now she is through to the quarter finals with a
three sets win over British hometown favorite Emma Runicanu. I'm
going to chat shortly with the last key we to
make it this far at a major, Belinda Cordwell, who
reached the semifinals at the Australian Open in nineteen eighty nine.
Tennis New Zealand Chief executive Julie Patterson also on the
show to explain how lu Lusun shifted her allegiance to

(01:49):
New Zealand and what this means for the game of tennis.
Here your thoughts on the significance of this are also welcome.
Her next game, lu Lusun, the quarter final is in
the early hours of Wednesday morning. They don't put the
actual schedule of play out until the day before, so
we don't know the exact time, but it will be
in the early hours of Wednesday morning. New Zealand time

(02:11):
meantime test one of the year in the books for
the All Blacks sixteen fifteen over England under the Roof
in duned And two nights ago. They're now into the
build up for the second clash with the same opposition
this coming Saturday night, Eden Park five past seven. We'll
get you inside the All Blacks camp on the show
tonight as well. Keen to know also if you would
make any changes to the side for the second Test.
We know there'll be one enforced change. TJ. Pett Utter

(02:35):
is out of the second Test, so they make a
change it half back, presumably from Lake Christi will start
and Cortes Latama will come off the bench. I'm not
sure they'll change too much else you might disagree. You might,
you might if you had the choice, make some changes.
Let me know your thoughts. Across the evening and Monday night,
Piney's Power rankings will rate the best and worst of

(02:57):
the sporting weekend before we close the show at eight o'clock.
But a live sport to keep an iron as well
A and Z Premiership Netball Magic v. Pulse from seven
to forty pretty import and gain this. A win for
the Pulse would take them back to the top. If
the Magic were to win, though, and they're at home,
they jump into the third and final playoff spot and
there are just two rounds to play. So center pass

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that for you as well. Lines open all hour as usual.
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Speaker 1 (03:39):
Seven, Nomo, we've got the breakdown on sports talk call
oh eight hundred eighty news Talk, said.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
New Zealand tennis history at Wimbledon overnight.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
No, she has it and know we see what it
meends because Lulu soon is living the same dream that
Rodocanno once DIDs.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
The qualifier moves on through to the quarter Fie slam
Yea lu Lusan has continued her stunning run at Wimbledon.
She is the first New Zealand woman to make the
quarterfinals at Wimbledon, making her very first appearance on center court.
Cool and composed during her six ' two five seven
six ' two victory over British hometown favorite Emma Radicanu

(04:26):
in a match that lasted almost three hours. The last
New Zealander to reach the quarterfinals at Wimbledon was Chris Lewis.
He went on to make the final in nineteen eighty three,
and the last time any New Zealander reached a Grand
Slam quarterfinal was in nineteen eighty nine, when Belinda Cordwell
reached the quarters and then went on to the semifinals

(04:47):
at the Australian Open. Belinda Cordwell is with us on
Sports Talk Great to get the chance to chat to you, Belinda.
Can you put into context how significant and achievement this
is the quarterfinals of the women's singles at Wimbledon.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's pretty difficult to put it into context because it's
so really I know we use that word a lot
in sport, but to look at a player that's ranked
one hundred and twenty three in the world, that's come
through the toughest qualifying in the world in terms of
Grand Slams. I mean playing qualifying at Roehampton in England,
which is a venue sort of down the road from Wimbledon,

(05:25):
and trying to get through three rounds of qualifying where
everybody wants to win. It's really really tough, and she
managed that achievement. So to get into the main draw
on that basis was an achievement in itself, and now
to be having a conversation about Lulu making the quarter
finals at Wimbledon is career changing for HER's and that's

(05:45):
not an understatement.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
How has this happened? What is it about her that
has allowed her and her game of tennis to get
her this far with, as I say, hopefully more to come.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Well, to be fair, she's got a bit of pedigree
in the game, and you know, she became a naturalized
New Zealander in March this year. But there's been a
lot that's happened in her career today. I mean, she
was had a WTA ranking at fourteen, which is really
pretty unheard of. That's a very young age to get
such a ranking, and so has progressed from there, you know,

(06:16):
represented I think she represented Switzerland actually in twenty eighteen
at junior Wimbledon or potentially New Zealand and then switched
to Switzerland and now backer is represent her New Zealand.
But she's certainly been around and played tennis through you know,
the last five to ten years, and also through in

(06:36):
Texas at the University of Texas where she studied as well.
And so I think that we're sort of saying, where
has this come from? But I think gradually she has
been building her craft and building her career over a
number of years.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Today, how much confidence will her performances in the past
week give her?

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Massive?

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Huge I mean you really only had to look at
the way she played at quarterfy sorry, but to get
into the quarterfinals. I just think watching the confidence to
take a short ball and approached the net. She came
to the net nearly thirty times against Radakano, and most
of the women players are not that comfortable at the net.
So to see Lulu actually approaching the net and taking

(07:17):
the match to her opponent, to me if it makes
it feel like she's actually playing in a really confident
manner at the moment. And it's difficult not to be
so confident when you've won, you know, six or seven
matches at the tournament on such.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
A world stage. She'll make Croatian Donna vacage next. She
could win that, couldn't she blind? How far could she
potentially go?

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah, she could definitely win the next match. And at
the moment, you know, you're down to the last eight,
so you've got to be saying, well, you know, I've
got some chances here. But I think the focus for
her team, and I think we've already read about it,
is around just taking one match at a time and
trying to stick to the same routine and the same
mindset that she's used all the way to the tournament.

(07:58):
So the challenge is sort of not to get over
excited because you're playing a quarter final. But if watching
her play this morning is to go by, I mean,
center court at Wimbledon, playing against a British home time
time favorite who has done so well historically, and to
not get overawed and over excited by that event, you know,

(08:21):
makes us feel really good about about her next match
on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
What is it like playing at Wimbledon? You played all
the majors, How does Wimbledon compare?

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, my personal view is that Wimbledon's unbelievable. It's in
a different league of its own. I mean, I think
the fact that even that you dress in white, which
is not necessarily what you do for the rest of
the year, but there's a real aura about stepping out
there and looking at at the history of the game
there and looking at just everything about it, the strawberries

(08:52):
and cream, the way people cue the patience and the
knowledge of the British you know, sort of fraternity if
you like. They really know their tennis and it's a
very special place to be at. So if you're going
to play your best tennis, good on Lulu for playing
a best tennis at Winwooden.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Absolutely. I thought it was really cool too. Obviously the
crowd was behind Emma Radicanu. She's the hometown player. Of
course they're going to support her. But when Lulah went
back out onto court after she'd won to acknowledge them,
She's got a really warm round of applause, didn't she.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah, And that's what I mean about sort of like
knowing their sport. And I really love that about recognizing,
you know, the winners and the losers and recognizing that
while they would have loved Emma to win and to
go on to the next round, they're really good at
acknowledging what a tremendous performance that was. And that's how

(09:43):
sports she'll be played, because there's always going to be
a winner and a loser, but it's around the respect
that has shown for both the winners and the losers.
And that was a really nice touch today.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yes, going this deep into a Grand Slam. Also, of
course brings financial benefits with prize money. How will that
improve things as she moves on in her tennis career.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
I think that's a.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Good point to touch on, because I think it will
improve things markedly if you're making sort of prize money
that Lulu has made to dates in the tournament. It
just takes so much of the pressure away. So her
team around her, with the coach and the people that
she has, and maybe that she would like to bring
someone else into that team and she can afford to
do that now. And it also none of the prize money.
It's also gives with a ranking that will go right up,

(10:25):
you know, well up into the whatever, I don't even know,
the forties or the thirties. As a result of this,
it allows you a little bit more latitude if you
like to choose tournaments you know you'll get into the
main drawer, and you have a lot more ability to
plan your year as opposed to trying to work out
whether you will get into the main draw if you
went through qualifying. So it's sort of like success kind

(10:48):
of breeds success in that sense because it sort of
almost gets a little bit easier as you progress exciting times.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I can't believe it's been thirty five years since you
got to the Semis in Melbourne. I can't believe it's
been thirty five years.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
My niece are telling me that it's deferly been thirty
five year Do you think that much to them?

Speaker 7 (11:09):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, not really.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
I mean I think, you know, you move on with
your life and I'm doing different things now. But I
think it's moments like these where you know a few
people ring up and want to comment, and you think
about that in the context of what that was like
and for me at that time, and I can't.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Speak for Lulu.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
It was an exciting fortnight for me, and I tried
to cherish everything for what it was at that time
and hopefully tried to smell the roses because it was
a special time in my career and I hope they're
as a special time in Lulu's as well.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I'm sure it is, Blinda great to get the chance
to chat. Thanks for joining us tonight, not at all, cheers,
Thank you, Blinda. Blinda Cordwell. They're the last last New
Zealander to make the quarter finals of a major Ossie
Open nineteen eighty nine. Let's get straight to tennis. New
Zealand Chief Executive Officer Julie Patterson, who joins us, Now,

(12:02):
what an exciting day for you, Julie. You must have
been buzzing all day.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
I actually have been. You know when you get busy
in carrying away with something else and then you go, oh,
my goodness, that's right, Lulu won. How amazing. So yeah,
it's just been a wonderful feeling and super exciting all day.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Lulu was born in New Zealand. Of course, she's played
most of her career under the Swiss flag. Can you
tell us about the circumstances behind her shift in allegiance
to New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
Yeah, so Lulu has always held in New Zealand passport.
She pre COVID would come back to New Zealand and
visit on on a regular basis. But when she came
back to New Zealand for the A'SB Classic, it has
been a couple of years since she'd been back into
the country and she came and played at the Classic.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
She had.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
The media sort of snuck it out that she was
a Kiwi and so of course a lot of people
started to come along and watch her matches. We saw
the attendant sort of grow at each of her matches.
She really enjoyed the support that they got that she
got from the New Zealand crowd. And at the same time,
one of my team had started having a conversation with

(13:17):
Lulu to think about, you know what is what was
her long term planning. We knew that she as a
senior athlete, she hadn't played for Switzerland and that was
important because as soon as you play for a Billy
Jenkin Cup, then you were basically locked into that country
from a national perspective. So yeah, our team started to

(13:40):
have conversations with Lulu and then her family I got involved.
I met with her mum and her stepdad and we
just continued to think about, you know, what were the
opportunities that might be in New Zealand. You know, she
had quite a strong loyalty to Switzerland, of course because
of the time that she had spent there, But at

(14:01):
the same time, you know, New Zealand's her birth country
and it was an opportunity for her to come back
and play for her birth country, which she took. So
fantastic news for us.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
What do you think tipped the balance?

Speaker 8 (14:17):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (14:17):
Look, to be honest, I think it was actually coming
back and playing at the ASP Classic. I think it
was just timing. She was at a point where she
really had to start making up her mind. The support
that she received from the New Zealand crowd, you know,
the profile that she would have in New Zealand, and
she has also said and I one hundred percent support this.

(14:41):
The opportunity that she has to be a role model
for young tennis players in this country is really visible.
You know, she will stand out and she will make
a massive difference to our sport. And we can see
already the difference that it's making to the profile and
the visibility of our sport in the country and how
excited people are to be getting in.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Behind it absolutely. How much does success like this and
the likely jump in her world ranking boost the game
of tennis overall here in New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (15:13):
I think it will be huge. We're seeing already people's
comments on social around. I might get down to the
tennis club and go and have a hit. I might
go and get my racket out of the garage and
have a hit. So if we start continuing to build
on that, the profile is really important. The success is important,
of course, because people love success and that sort of

(15:35):
breeds a bit more interest. But the profile, the visibility,
the media coverage and so on is really important. And
then for us to be able to leverage that and
then think about when Lulu comes back at the end
of the year to plan the ASB Classic and the
opportunity that we have to connect Lulu into local tennis community,

(15:55):
it's just wonderful.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
What sort of support does Tennis New Zealand give to Lulusan?
Is it financial?

Speaker 6 (16:03):
So we do have what we would consider to be
transfer fee or a transfer contract.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yes, in terms of her ongoing tennis I guess do
you you provide support for her as a as a
an elite athlete? How does it all? How does it
all work? If you're able to reveal that to us?

Speaker 6 (16:20):
Yeah, well, I mean the support that we provide to
our elite athletes, and it's just it's very similar as
it as it is for Aaron and Mike and Marcus
and our and our other athletes. You know, we we're
not a particularly well resourced national organization and so a
lot of the support that we provide is around that
holistic support. You know that we have strength and conditioning coaches.

(16:45):
We have national coaches that they usually are working with
our younger athletes building them up, but we can they
can tap into our professional athletes, can tap into our
coaching support if required, and those other wider support networks
that we have available. But like I said, we're not
a we're not a big federation on the international scheme

(17:07):
of things.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Luluson, of course, welcome by. With Aaron Ratlife you mentioned there,
it was confirmed last week in the women's doubles at
the upcoming Olympics. How optimistic are you they might achieve
something special there as well?

Speaker 6 (17:18):
Well, I'm very optimistic.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
You know.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
We've got Aaron who is clearly an amazing doubles player
ranked number three in the world, and then Lulu coming
in with this experience that she has playing in big matches.
You can see how steady she is, how strong she is.
I think her and Aaron are going to make a great,
great partnership at the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
And Michael Venus and Marcus Daniel won't be there despite
winning bronze last time in Tokyo. Can you just clarify
why that is?

Speaker 6 (17:50):
Yeah, such a shame to do with ranking and the
cutoffs so this is an its allocation. They have a
certain number of teams that they allow into the Olympics.
There is an element of singles players being able to
use their singles rankings to get in, which I do

(18:11):
think is a bit of a shame. So it meant
that Mike and Marcus just didn't quite make the cutoffs
this year.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
It's a shame. It's a shame. Well, we can we
can support Lulu and Aaron when they reach Paris. We
can support Lulu of course in the quarter final against Anavak.
It's coming up at Wimbledon. Exciting times. Duly for your
organization and for the sport here. Thanks for joining us
on zed B tonight to give us some insight.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
No worries. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Thank you, Julie. Julie Patterson there, chief executive of Tennis
New Zealand, seven twenty five. If you want to comment
on the significance of this, we'd love to hear from you.
I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. I'll get the
chance to talk tennis. A heck of a lot news
talks EDB. So here's the chance. I eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. We thought through to nine two ninety two.

(18:56):
Now Mark has reminded me that Brett Stephen reached the
quarterfinals that the Australian Open in nineteen ninety three, where
he lost to Pete Sampras, which is no disgrace obviously,
Mark says, I remember staying up to watch him beat
Australian Richard Fromberg in the fourth round. Mark, You're so right,
thank you mate for reminding us all of that. So

(19:16):
he was the last New Zealander to reach the quarterfinals
of a major. Belinda cord Well then the last female
to reach the quarterfinals of a major. She went on
to the semis. Of course, what could Lulu Sun potentially do?
Don of ekets the opponent for Lulusun in the quarterfinals
is unseated, so who knows. You know, this might carry

(19:39):
on Wednesday morning. Early hours of Wednesday morning is when
Lulusen will play her quarter final.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
US yeah yeah, hi yeah, Pini yeah yeah. A couple
of things. Look, you know she's the last one to
last lady to make the last six last last lady
to make the last sixteen women, of course, was the
great ruy of Morrison and I actually saw her player's
Downy Street about ninety and sixty eight, so you know,
and she's on Telly the other night she was she
was so pleased now that they have got the monkey

(20:09):
off her back. And the other thing is too that.
I don't know if you knew. Now Lulu's part of
the Wimbledon Last Ai Club. She gets, Uh, she's got
access to the members lands for life and tickets to
Wimbledon for her and a family for life.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
You're joking. If you make a quarter final, that's what
you get.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, they've had a last A club. Yeah, last a club. Well,
of course the winner's orders a couple of members for life,
but of course it last Ai Club.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
I didn't. I wasn't aware of that. It's almost like
being it's almost like having Korup club membership for life, Chris,
except probably a bit more prestigious.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
Yeah, so she can rack up. But yeah, look, look
it's wide open now because Gos's gone, Sweet text gone,
Azarinka didn't front sorry, Aze, Sabilenka didn't front set. Tolena's there,
she'll beat Vickert. I'll tell you. Vickett is coming back
from injury and she's not as patient.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, well, I said to, I said to I was
either Belinda or to Julia. Can't remember which of the two.
But it is wide open that I think, And that's
thanks for your core, Chris. That's the nature of women's tennis.
It's never really, well, not for a long time anyway,
been you know, dominated by one or two players, not
like the men's game. The men's game, you know, we

(21:27):
all know how long the domination of Jocovin, Snadal and Federer,
with a little bit of Andy Murray was nobody else
ready got a look. And but from major to major
you couldn't really pick, could you who you know who
was going to be there at the end. So you
know the number of seeds who are no longer there.

(21:48):
Coco Goff has Chris just mentioned beaten today? You know
she was the second seed beaten by fellow American Emma Navarro,
and not just beaten and beaten in straight sets, six
four six, three. Down on Lulusun's side as well as
well as Navarro is the seventh seed, Jasmine Paulini from Italy,

(22:16):
So it's Paulini playing Navarro, Sun playing Vickage. So if
lu Lusolm was to win, she would play I mean,
at worst, she would play the seventh seed Paulini or
Emma Navarro the nineteenth. Again, though the seedings you really can't.
I don't know you put too much stock in them
because they don't seem to mean anything once we get

(22:38):
to these Grand Slams that the highest seed still left
is fourth seed Elena Rubekina, who's on the other side
of the drawer. So the only place that she could
possibly meet lu Lusolm would be the final. But even
the fact we're talking about a major final is quite incredible.
Leon emails bin. Any funny how here in Australia not

(22:59):
a single report on the success of Lu lusun at
Wimbledon for some reason, which I find very strange when
it comes to sport. They only mention their own athletes
who have won something overseas. They obviously don't understand the
importance of impartiality when it comes to sports reporting. Fantastic
to see Lulu doing so well with no Australian women
still left in the tournament. I absolutely love it. Thanks Leon,

(23:21):
I do too, Hi Jace, I got excited after she
beat the eighth ranked player in the first round. She said,
I stopped looking at who I was playing and concentrated
on playing the ball. It's a good approach to have.
I don't really watch tennis, says JOHNO, but I've watched
her last two games on TV and Z Plus. Just

(23:42):
finished watching today's game. I felt so proud when she won.
I'll be watching the quarter final. I hope she wins again.
Good on your John, and I think that happens, doesn't it.
You know when, honestly, did you really know who Lulu
Sun was before when Wooden I mean died in the wall.
Tennis fans obviously would have, but the general New Zealand
sporting public I don't think had any awareness of her.

(24:04):
Now it's it's the it's the sportsperson's name. I've heard
the most today half past seven. Your thoughts are welcome
on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty or ninety two
ninety two if you'd like to text them through back
in the moment. On News Talks, he'db and Sports Talk.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Forget the refs call, you make a call on eight
hundred and eighty eighty Sports Talk on your home of
sport news Talks, he be talks.

Speaker 9 (24:28):
The B.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Twenty seven away from eight talking out of tennis. This
is the pointy end says Richard. She's playing someone who's
also won four games in the tournament. It won't be easy,
but it's still magnificent. Yeah, it's true. I guess you.
You always have to remember she had to play qualifiers, right,
She had to qualify Lulusawn even to make it into

(24:51):
the main drawer. Jeremy says Jace. My tennis knowledge is
a bit limited only to watching. But is it harder
to play a left hander versus right if you're a
right is that an advantage? That's, Jeremy, a very good question.
I don't know the answer either, but somebody will. So
if you're a right handed player, is it easier to

(25:12):
play a right hander? Or actually, is it easier to
play a left handed because your forehand is their backhand?
I mean no, when I played squash, and again it
wasn't to a high level, but I remember you always
thought you had the advantage in squash because your forehand
was their backhand. But of course they had the same
advantage over you, didn't they Hello, Nol, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (25:33):
You're hello. Hooray for Lulu. I was drawing my tennis
record from the right batterfly killing episode. I have it
restrung No problement tools. She's stunning, absolutely stunning, and also
on your stub crock for the referee, the referee should
have the ball. What the name that they sit the

(25:57):
ball on. He should have it on hand and pass
it to the kicker and time starts.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Then all right, okay, so the rugby shot clock here. Okay,
so yeah, we talked a bit about this yesterday. But yeah,
interesting point you make. Okay, So the sixty seconds in
your view, should start. The roof should have the ball
in his hand when he hands it over.

Speaker 10 (26:16):
That he has the ball, he should wear it his
a hat.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Are you talking about the kicking tea now? He should
wear his hat.

Speaker 11 (26:29):
I love that's when the sixty second.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I love it, nol. I love that idea. I love it.
Be easy to pick the referee out as well. Of
course he wears a different color, but be easy to
see him from his kicking tee shaped hat.

Speaker 10 (26:47):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
No, uh, yeah, we talked a lot about the shot
clock yesterday. I don't necessarily want to relitigate today. I
don't mind the suggestion. Just on the all blacks by
the way, and a few texts have come through. Yeah,
well we can keep talking tennis if you like, but
there seems to be a bit of a of an
appetite to talk about a rugby as well.

Speaker 12 (27:10):
T J.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Pettanada today definitely ruled out of the next test, so
that's one absolute change they're going to have to make.
The interesting part of this was that they have brought
in Noah hotham as backup. So I've had a couple
of techs through one from Ron what has happened to
fal Fakatava? He has fallen off the All Blacks radar completely.

(27:33):
That is echoed by mass Pinty. What happened to for Katava?
Surely he should have been in the mix. It's a
very good point because the fact that they've brought Noah
Hothamans as the next half back would mean by my
count for Fuckatava is now at best the sixth ranked
half back in New Zealand. Cameroy Guard I think from

(27:56):
all estimations, was the number one until he got injured.
The three they picked for the All Blacks initially t J. Pettinada,
Finlake Christi and Cortestma. And now that had an Arda's
gone down, they've brought Hothman, so that's five before we've
even reached Faler Fuckatava, and I think some people don't
even think that he's number six. I think a few

(28:16):
people look at someone like Xavier Row, perhaps even Taufa
ful Naki at the Blues has his supporters. So yeah,
I'm not quite sure what's happened to Falwer Fuckatava. He
only had the two Test matches. Let's not forget that
he didn't get a lot of Test rugby when he
was there. He played two Tests in twenty twenty two

(28:36):
against Ireland, both off the bench, both losses. Unfortunately, not
that that was his fault, but he's only played a
combined thirty seven minutes in an all Blacks jersey. Last
year he didn't play at all. The only three half
backs that wore the Black jersey last year were Aaron Smith,
Finlay Christi and Cam Roygard and twenty twenty two, along
with Fuckatava, Christy and Smith and Peranara, Brad Weber played,

(28:58):
so there were five half backs used in twenty twenty
two and going back to twenty twenty one, Smith, Christi,
Weber Pedanada. So yeah, Fukatar seems to have come in
for those two Test matches and was probably the victim
of the lack of success that they had. I know
that a lot of people were very, very keen to

(29:19):
see the Smith Fuckatava Won two Punch, which we saw
at the Highlanders be replicated in All Blacks Jersey, but
it just didn't happen. Now it never will with Aaron
Smith having gone. Here's All Blacks assistant coach Jason Holland
today on TJ.

Speaker 8 (29:33):
Pretty nasty, didn't it when it happened, But he's better
than expected. Waiting on a specialist to determine exact return
to play dates, but it's way better than expected.

Speaker 9 (29:44):
And yeah, hopefully it's not too long.

Speaker 8 (29:47):
We haven't got an exact time on that yet, not
this weekend, the stage, not this weekend, And yeah, no,
I hope it's around fulfill that old for this weekend.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
So that's a little bit more optimistic than what we
thought it might be. We still don't know obviously for sure.
It might be that the scans come back and it is,
you know, a long term injury, but or at the moment,
all I've done is all them out for this week,
which is great. He's still around the squad. He's Stephen
Petefetta starting fullback the other night, talking about TJ's influence
around the team.

Speaker 12 (30:15):
Yeah, Teacher's a massive leader in our group, and his
just presence, his voice, and his knowledge of the game
and very valuable. He'll get around I'm sure you know
the likes of Finley Cortez, and he'll get around those
boys with ease to make sure that they're all aligned
and whoever gets the shot as ready to go.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Be interested to know whether you'd make any other changes.
I think they'll bring Christy in, won't They in rute them,
and will probably come off the bench. I would say
that that feels most likely. It would be a long
bow to give Cortes Luptima a debut from the start.
They might, but I think it'll be Christi and Lutima.
Apart from that, I actually don't know whether they'll make

(30:56):
too many changes, certainly not on the backs. I can
see them rolling out exactly the same back line from
ten three to fifteen McKenzie, Jordi, Barret, Ricco Juani and
the same back three Seva Reeso I thought was terrific
in Dunedin, Mark talaa very good and Stephen Perafeta who
did nothing wrong in his first major Test at fullback.

(31:19):
So I wonder whether they'll just roll out the same
back line and the forwards. Can't see them making a
change in the type five. That type five was excellent.
Potentially they might look at something in the loose forwards.
Some a penny fee now perhaps didn't do quite enough
to absolutely guarantee his place for next week. They could

(31:41):
look at Ethan Blackadder, for example, who didn't even make
the twenty three the other night. But other than that,
I wouldn't imagine there'd be too many changes at all.
If we are going to see changes, I get the
feeling they will happen en mass in the game against
Fiji up in San Diego the following week. What were
the takeaways from Test one for Jason Holland.

Speaker 9 (31:58):
Yeah, look, it was intense one that.

Speaker 8 (32:01):
Yeah, it was an interesting game and that was Test
match footy and the intensity that England bought around the ball.

Speaker 9 (32:08):
You know, the defense is pretty up and in and
pretty full on. So it was good to good.

Speaker 8 (32:13):
A little learning's good for us to challenge us on
ways to get momentum and we've got the ball in.
But overall mad to be in that stadium with New
Zealand going Mad and the you know or through for
South Bar and all over the country.

Speaker 9 (32:24):
It was a pretty cool feeling.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Have they targeted any improvements for tests too.

Speaker 8 (32:28):
It's really important to us that we're growing every every game.
We've identified some key areas that will get momentum in
our game. You know, I think we're really we took
some really big steps forward in some areas. An example
that we dealt with the kicking game of England really
well in the air and but you know there's some
real key little bits that we think we can grow
a game and get a bit more momentum in our

(32:50):
attack on.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
A couple of specific players. What did Jason Holland make
at the performance of Damien Mackenzie at first five?

Speaker 9 (32:56):
Yeah, No, he was. He was really solid.

Speaker 8 (32:59):
Like some of the We just looked at some of
his work, great clips in the backfield and some of
his high ball stuff was awesome, as it always is
with the maat you know, with the group with the backs,
not necessarily with just d Mac. You know, we've locked
at little area where we put ourselves under pressure where
we either ran when it wasn't on to run, or

(33:19):
we kicked when it was not one to kick. And
we're working really hard as a unit, not necessarily just
the MAAC to make sure that we're making really good
decisions around there running kick and pressure game.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
And finally from Jason Holland, what did he make of
Steven Peter Fetter's performance at fall back.

Speaker 9 (33:32):
Yeah, he's got all some feed in there, Stevie, he's
teams kick long to him. You do it your peril.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
Really, he sort of set off a couple of our
attacks quite nicely with runs from the back. As I
talked earlier around you talked around the MAAC, around body
and Stevie and d MAC working really well together and
working really hard on each other, with each other to
make sure we control the game.

Speaker 9 (33:52):
And that's the bit and B voices for each other.

Speaker 8 (33:53):
So I thought Steve was really good, really sold in
his first test, But like all of us, there's a
couple of little bits where we think we can get
a little bit more control in our game between nine
tens fifteens.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's here a bit more from Stephen pedifettera, what were
his overall reflections of the test match on Saturday.

Speaker 12 (34:11):
It was a big test personally, I think for me
physically and emotionally, I just try to prepare as best
I can, sort of not experiencing that type of speed
and intensity of test match footy. But I think reflecting
post game, I'm able to say I put my best
foot forward in the areas where I could and saying

(34:34):
that there's still areas where I could find tune as well,
and that'll be a focus going into this week.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
And on text here, Mahindra says blackatter at seven for Papali,
Clark for Tallaia on the left wing, body for Pedifetter
at fullback. Not that Tilaia or Papali did anything wrong,
but I feel we need more direct big ball carriers
who can make yards and post through and post tackle. Yeah,
they may do that at fifteen. Actually, that is one

(35:01):
that they may look at at changing. I thought Papali
had a good game. Actually I thought he was good,
and Talaya as well. Just as dancing feet. I'm sure
that's I'm sure that opposition players know what's coming, but
they still seem singularly unable to do anything about it.

(35:22):
A couple on the tennis, we're lucky enough to be
over here. We've seen a couple of Lulu's games says
this text from Brian and Wendy on holiday from Todonga.
She's super aggressive on court and it's a really heavy ball.
That's great. And Jeremy says Piney lefties can have an
advantage judo playing style being less common in major differences

(35:43):
and angles and spin from left handed shots. Right handers
definitely prefer playing right handers for sure. Thanks Jeremy. That's
good to know. And Keith says I would replace Ricky
Joanni with Anton Lennet Brown all right, they may look
at doing that as well. Teams out on Thursday for
Test two. Saturday Night Eden Park five past seven foot

(36:06):
promitry here on new Stalk SEB coming up seven forty five.
Let's get another breakaway when we come back. It was
a stacked sporting weekend but I've rated it. Piney's Power
rankings coming up right after this.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Ladies Power Rankings Sport.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, time for Piney's Power Rankings. Every Monday evening we
rate the best, the worst and the in between of
the weekend sporting action. Ten the White Ferns. They suffered
their biggest ever T twenty loss to England, humbled by
fifty nine runs in Southampton in the air and it
will be taken by captain had.

Speaker 9 (36:46):
The name.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Rack Cab picks up a wicked It has been a.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Morning from England England one ninety seven for three New
Zealand one thirty eight for nine, spinners taking seven of
New Zealand's wickets. That is, English spinners. The White Ferns
just can't seem to win at the moments. Nine is
me playing dodgeball on the sideline at the rugby at
Forsyth Bar on Saturday night.

Speaker 9 (37:12):
Jordy Barrett kicks.

Speaker 7 (37:14):
Down the field, will be in all blacks line out
there into England's here to hit you money.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
No no, I moved very swiftly and lithely out of
the way. The gentleman behind me, Oh right, I hope
the gentleman behind me is okay. Makes the Warriors a
golden point heartbreaker denied by some Maddy Burton heroics.

Speaker 13 (37:34):
Did they go over they will? I said, one way.
The Cats every post as a winner.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, narrow last, But time starting to run out ever
so slightly for the Warriors. Seven seven's England at the
euro somehow, somehow, England are through to the semis and having.

Speaker 13 (37:56):
Fed on the cusp of coming out, England have.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Rescued themselves again. Up next the Dutch for England in
the semi finals six. There is a new champion in
the world of hot dog eating. His name is Pat Bertaletti.

Speaker 13 (38:11):
And the winner is Pat pay fifty eight Nathan's Famous
hot Dogs.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Hands but yeh fifty eight and ten minutes. That's the
lowest ever total for a winner though at the Nathan's
Famous hot Dog Eating contest since two thousand and six.
The reason is because they banned the goat of hot
dog eating Joey Chestnut. He meantime competed in a different
contest where he managed just one fewer fifty seven but

(38:39):
in half the time, just five minutes. He's your fort
Bliss hot dog eating Champy and Joey jod just not
five five is low as Hamilton claiming a record breaking
ninth British Grand Prix win at Silverston.

Speaker 7 (38:56):
Here's ready, so can't start the celebrations.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Eight times We've said it before. Here's a night's for you,
Louis Hamilton. When's the Fretti's Grand Prix?

Speaker 9 (39:06):
Love be Tree.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Back forth? The All Blacks getting the job done in
test one of Razors reign.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
Peri backs, Holy God, Holy God, the all backs. When
that's first test of the year and you were right
of all back. MCB begins with an old fashioned test
Mats Time Wrestle.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Three three is our men's under seventeen basketball side at
their World Cup in Turkey.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Excellent work here from New Zealand and they are going
through to the semi finals for the first time.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
In their history. Here they beat Lithuania seventy three sixty
five in the quarterfinals, booking a semi final date with
the US. No keywek Age group team has ever made
it that far. Tu Soo's the giz Shane van Gisberg
and winning for the third time this NASCAR Exfinity season.
She Ben Gibsbergen is gonna do it again. Keep wins.

(40:06):
She can't get there. He returned to the track where
he got his debut NASCAR Cup Series win and followed
it up with an Exfinity Series win. After starting from
pole on the Chicago Street course where he stunned last season,
Shane Van Gisberg and dropped back to tenth before charging
back to reel and Tyler Gibbs and Kyle Larson and

(40:26):
get the checked flag, But tonight's checked flag and the
power rankings goes to Lulu Son, the first New Zealand
woman to make the quarterfinals at Wimbledon. No, she has
it now, see what it means.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Because Luluson is living the same dream that Ladakano once did.
The Qualifi moves on the qualifier through to the quarterfinals of.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
A Grand Slam. Sensational stuff from Lulu Sun, and hopefully
when we do find his power rankings next Monday, she
might be at the top again, having won the whole thing.

Speaker 9 (41:05):
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
You're happy with the rankings, Andy, you're happy with the
rate with Piney's Power rankings Tonight.

Speaker 11 (41:14):
I think you've changed pretty hard on yourself, mate. There
was some impressive dodging putting yourself down at number nine.
Is I think you're being too humble there, mate.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Well, last time I put myself further up the rankings,
I got flamed by you.

Speaker 11 (41:28):
Actually yeah, that's my job though, just to absolutely flame
all your decision making. So now I'm figging you up
so next time when you go too high, I can
bring you back down again.

Speaker 9 (41:38):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
All right, those are Piney's Power rankings. They're back again
next Sunday. Night, four minutes to waight, Jason, go and
look at the supercars and Matt payin a key we winning.
You didn't even mention him hereus.

Speaker 14 (41:57):
I've had a tough couple of rounds lately and I
knew we had a good race car yesterday, you know,
with that final sent pace was really strong. So to
put it all together today and then try and replicate
that with a different strategy from the team which was absolutely.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Wik Yeah, well done to Matt Payne. He perhaps should
have featured in the power rankings. But good to know
you're listening. Pineers. It coming home, says Jeremy. I'm picking
the Dutch to roll the Poems two to one in
normal time. Well that happens, it is not coming home
as a Jeremy unless Homers Amsterdam. I've got, funnily enough,
I've got England beating the Dutch, I've got Spain beating France,

(42:34):
and I've got Spain winning the whole thing. But if
the European Championship has told us anything it's that we
should expect the unexpected. Thanks for your company. On Sports
Talk tonight, Marcus Lush after rate to take you through
the rest of Monday, July eight, huge thanks to Andy
McDonald for producing the show. We are back broadcasting from
tess City, Auckland on Saturday. Actually we'll do it from

(42:55):
Eden Park. Go on, make those arrangements, Andy, we'll see
it at midday on Saturday. Life and Out.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
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