Scott Robertson has today unveiled his first All Blacks squad.
Scott Barrett will step in as the new captain, and he'll lead a side which includes five untapped players.
All Blacks assistant coach Jason Holland joined Piney to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk zed B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
All right, so here's the team. If you're in the
car or just tuning in and you haven't heard the
thirty two names, heare they are. I'll go through them
in positions. Hookers Asafua More, Cody Taylor and George Bell uncapped,
prop forwards Ethan degrut Tyrel Lomax, Fletcher Newell, Pasilio Tossi uncapped,
off the Fussy and to Mighty Williams. The locks are
(00:33):
Scott Barrett who's the captain, to Paul Vailli and Patrick
Twoey Pilotu and the loose forwards Ethan Blackout, a Summer Penny, Female,
Luke Jacobson, Dalton, Papa Lie, Ardie Savia and Wallace Setiti uncapped.
Into the backs, the halfbacks of Finlay Christy, t J Pett,
Nada and Corties Ratima uncapped. The first fives are Boden
(00:54):
Barrett and Damien Mackenzie. The midfield is a Jeordie Barrett,
Rico Yowanni, Anton, Lennott Brown and Billy Proctor uncapped, and
the outside backs Caleb Clarke Emoni Nadowa, Stephen Petefetta, Sever
Reese and Mark Talaya as mentioned Scott Barrett as the captain.
His vice captains are Ardie Severe and Jordi Barrett. The
(01:15):
following players were not considered due to injury, Sam Caine,
Will Jordan Sammasoni Tokiyahor and Cam Roy Guard. All right,
before we take some of your reaction, we're joined from
the Tapai christ Church Convention Center by All Blacks assistant
coach at Jason Holland. Jason, thanks for jumping on sports
Talk with us tonight. How did you settle on these
(01:37):
thirty two names as a coaching group and what was
the process behind whittling them down to just the thirty two.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, Lou, she's been a long process. Right from January,
we're really clear and around our roles as coaches, had
position groups that we were watching intently, mind being the midfield,
and so you had an opportunity all through the all
through Super Rugby to just watch I was watching twelves
and thirteens of every team going through them pretty clear
(02:06):
on a Monday Tuesday, and you just roll over from
week to week looking at all the midfielders. So it's
been a pretty thorough process. We'd come together every month
or so and present back to the other coach and
what we've seen and who's in the who we think
is in the hunt, and staying pretty open on and
being challenged by the other coaches as to what they're seeing.
(02:27):
So it's been a great process over the last six months.
And yeah, she's sumped up a little bit over the
last couple of weeks obviously, and that's where we've ended up.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Were you allocated a certain number of midfielders they did
Razis say, okay, Jase, you've got four spots or was
it fluid?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
It was fluid all the way through. We always knew
from a midfield point of view, did either be four
or five And that was you know, dependent on how
the what the balance of the rest of the backs
look like. But you know, finishing up with four and
there might be potential when the squad goes to thirty
six for after the first three games to we'll see
(03:02):
if the another midfielder is one of those that's added.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Doctor is one of young capped players, a player you
know well from your time as Hurricanes head coach. I mean,
it must be a really nice feeling for you to
be able to name him and you in as part
of your first all black squad that you're involved in.
How have you assessed Billy's progress across this season and
the time you spent with him as well?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, look, I think he just couldn't He just kept
being in the doordown, didn't he really? All through the
Super Rugby? Obviously I knew him from the Hurricanes. I
knew what he could do, but this week in, week
out he performed for the Hurricanes added to his game.
I feel in this year as attacking game. You know,
definitely saw pace and power and line breaks in his game.
(03:48):
He's always been a really solid defender and works as
socks off, but real rounded performance this year, week in,
week out, and really fits the way that this team
will play.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
While you were given, as you've outlined your specific areas,
were you able to also chime in in other places?
Like I'm not suggesting you had anything to do with
the front rowers, for example, but were you able to
talk about the back three perhaps or all the halves.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
There's lots of chiming in this group. Don't worry about that. Yeah, no, look,
we all had to go like you know, obviously myself
and Leon and Scotti. With a bit more in the
back space, we'd still be challenging Ford selections around the
attack and D spaces, you know, around tackler, around carry
around work, creat all those sorts of things. So, as
(04:35):
I said, every time you present it back on where
you're at. As the season went through, the next part
was sitting and have the challenge and the questions, throw
nature around where you're at and let's see some clips
and those sorts of things. So yeah, we all had
all had them put in and it was good to
get to the final good to get to today.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Absolutely when you are looking at a player who hasn't
played for the All Blacks before, and Billy Proctor, we've
talked about Cortez Lovet to my Wallace, to Teti Puzzlely
or Tossi George Bell, what gives you confidence that that
player will be able to make the step up?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, Look, I think the consistent performance is a big one.
You see the traits of their game and how they play,
and and you know, you think around how you want
to play and what's important, and it comes back to
some of the real simple things around the game and
around the collision zone and the ability to work and
then some of the technical bits. But yeah, I think
(05:26):
they've all sort of shown over over a good period
that you know, they've got a lot of those real
core basic things that we think you need to win
international games of footy.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And no room for another player I know you rate
very highly and that's Ruben Love, who had a very
good season for the Hurricanes. A lot of people were
talking about him as a possible All Black not this time,
but do you sense that Ruben Love will wear a
Black jersey one day?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah? Lot Rubs has a has a really good year
as well, and it's not really a case of what
a lot of people, including Roobs, can't do. It's more
that there's some the competition to be an All Black
back three player as massive and as as it should be.
So Ruths has had a great year, is progressing really
nicely and he can be pretty proud of what he's
(06:13):
done through super.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
How are you enjoying being an All Blacks assistant coach? Healthy?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, it's cool. It's been a long time getting players.
We had a non finalist week last week out at
NZ in cos and at the Hut and it was
great to get the whistle and get on the field
and rather than be watching footage and trying to see
what viewer is going to watch it on through the computer,
it was better to get out on the field and
get a bit wet and get amongst it. So, yeah,
(06:37):
we'll see. It's all go from now and it's exciting.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And just to finish, how much of a sense of
excitement do you have as a coaching group that now
you do get your hands on these plays, you can
get on the grass with them and you can start
plotting for England, for thj and for the Rugby Championship.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, it is great because the plotting for England has
started quite a while ago. And to a degree, you
can only have so many discussions and watch so much
footage as coaches. You just want to get into it.
So that time has come and put all the things
we've talked around over the last few months and to
play and jumping, jumping talk with the boys.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Exciting time for you, for the coaches, for the players.
Jas thanks so much for taking the time for a chat.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Pleasure as always, Pliny, thank you, no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Jase Jason holland their assistant coach with the All Blacks,
so one of the new assistant coaches basically apart from
Jason Ryan. They're all new, aren't they into the All
Blacks environments. It must be a pretty cool time for
them as well to get together to look at all
the best players and to come up with these thirty
two names.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
For more from sports Talk, listen live to News Talks.
It'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk zed B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
All right, so here's the team. If you're in the
car or just tuning in and you haven't heard the
thirty two names, heare they are. I'll go through them
in positions. Hookers Asafua More, Cody Taylor and George Bell uncapped,
prop forwards Ethan degrut Tyrel Lomax, Fletcher Newell, Pasilio Tossi uncapped,
off the Fussy and to Mighty Williams. The locks are
(00:33):
Scott Barrett who's the captain, to Paul Vailli and Patrick
Twoey Pilotu and the loose forwards Ethan Blackout, a Summer Penny, Female,
Luke Jacobson, Dalton, Papa Lie, Ardie Savia and Wallace Setiti uncapped.
Into the backs, the halfbacks of Finlay Christy, t J Pett,
Nada and Corties Ratima uncapped. The first fives are Boden
(00:54):
Barrett and Damien Mackenzie. The midfield is a Jeordie Barrett,
Rico Yowanni, Anton, Lennott Brown and Billy Proctor uncapped, and
the outside backs Caleb Clarke Emoni Nadowa, Stephen Petefetta, Sever
Reese and Mark Talaya as mentioned Scott Barrett as the captain.
His vice captains are Ardie Severe and Jordi Barrett. The
(01:15):
following players were not considered due to injury, Sam Caine,
Will Jordan Sammasoni Tokiyahor and Cam Roy Guard. All right,
before we take some of your reaction, we're joined from
the Tapai christ Church Convention Center by All Blacks assistant
coach at Jason Holland. Jason, thanks for jumping on sports
Talk with us tonight. How did you settle on these
(01:37):
thirty two names as a coaching group and what was
the process behind whittling them down to just the thirty two.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, Lou, she's been a long process. Right from January,
we're really clear and around our roles as coaches, had
position groups that we were watching intently, mind being the midfield,
and so you had an opportunity all through the all
through Super Rugby to just watch I was watching twelves
and thirteens of every team going through them pretty clear
(02:06):
on a Monday Tuesday, and you just roll over from
week to week looking at all the midfielders. So it's
been a pretty thorough process. We'd come together every month
or so and present back to the other coach and
what we've seen and who's in the who we think
is in the hunt, and staying pretty open on and
being challenged by the other coaches as to what they're seeing.
(02:27):
So it's been a great process over the last six months.
And yeah, she's sumped up a little bit over the
last couple of weeks obviously, and that's where we've ended up.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Were you allocated a certain number of midfielders they did
Razis say, okay, Jase, you've got four spots or was
it fluid?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
It was fluid all the way through. We always knew
from a midfield point of view, did either be four
or five And that was you know, dependent on how
the what the balance of the rest of the backs
look like. But you know, finishing up with four and
there might be potential when the squad goes to thirty
six for after the first three games to we'll see
(03:02):
if the another midfielder is one of those that's added.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Doctor is one of young capped players, a player you
know well from your time as Hurricanes head coach. I mean,
it must be a really nice feeling for you to
be able to name him and you in as part
of your first all black squad that you're involved in.
How have you assessed Billy's progress across this season and
the time you spent with him as well?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, look, I think he just couldn't He just kept
being in the doordown, didn't he really? All through the
Super Rugby? Obviously I knew him from the Hurricanes. I
knew what he could do, but this week in, week
out he performed for the Hurricanes added to his game.
I feel in this year as attacking game. You know,
definitely saw pace and power and line breaks in his game.
(03:48):
He's always been a really solid defender and works as
socks off, but real rounded performance this year, week in,
week out, and really fits the way that this team
will play.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
While you were given, as you've outlined your specific areas,
were you able to also chime in in other places?
Like I'm not suggesting you had anything to do with
the front rowers, for example, but were you able to
talk about the back three perhaps or all the halves.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
There's lots of chiming in this group. Don't worry about that. Yeah, no, look,
we all had to go like you know, obviously myself
and Leon and Scotti. With a bit more in the
back space, we'd still be challenging Ford selections around the
attack and D spaces, you know, around tackler, around carry
around work, creat all those sorts of things. So, as
(04:35):
I said, every time you present it back on where
you're at. As the season went through, the next part
was sitting and have the challenge and the questions, throw
nature around where you're at and let's see some clips
and those sorts of things. So yeah, we all had
all had them put in and it was good to
get to the final good to get to today.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Absolutely when you are looking at a player who hasn't
played for the All Blacks before, and Billy Proctor, we've
talked about Cortez Lovet to my Wallace, to Teti Puzzlely
or Tossi George Bell, what gives you confidence that that
player will be able to make the step up?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, Look, I think the consistent performance is a big one.
You see the traits of their game and how they play,
and and you know, you think around how you want
to play and what's important, and it comes back to
some of the real simple things around the game and
around the collision zone and the ability to work and
then some of the technical bits. But yeah, I think
(05:26):
they've all sort of shown over over a good period
that you know, they've got a lot of those real
core basic things that we think you need to win
international games of footy.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And no room for another player I know you rate
very highly and that's Ruben Love, who had a very
good season for the Hurricanes. A lot of people were
talking about him as a possible All Black not this time,
but do you sense that Ruben Love will wear a
Black jersey one day?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah? Lot Rubs has a has a really good year
as well, and it's not really a case of what
a lot of people, including Roobs, can't do. It's more
that there's some the competition to be an All Black
back three player as massive and as as it should be.
So Ruths has had a great year, is progressing really
nicely and he can be pretty proud of what he's
(06:13):
done through super.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
How are you enjoying being an All Blacks assistant coach? Healthy?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, it's cool. It's been a long time getting players.
We had a non finalist week last week out at
NZ in cos and at the Hut and it was
great to get the whistle and get on the field
and rather than be watching footage and trying to see
what viewer is going to watch it on through the computer,
it was better to get out on the field and
get a bit wet and get amongst it. So, yeah,
(06:37):
we'll see. It's all go from now and it's exciting.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And just to finish, how much of a sense of
excitement do you have as a coaching group that now
you do get your hands on these plays, you can
get on the grass with them and you can start
plotting for England, for thj and for the Rugby Championship.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, it is great because the plotting for England has
started quite a while ago. And to a degree, you
can only have so many discussions and watch so much
footage as coaches. You just want to get into it.
So that time has come and put all the things
we've talked around over the last few months and to
play and jumping, jumping talk with the boys.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Exciting time for you, for the coaches, for the players.
Jas thanks so much for taking the time for a chat.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Pleasure as always, Pliny, thank you, no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Jase Jason holland their assistant coach with the All Blacks,
so one of the new assistant coaches basically apart from
Jason Ryan. They're all new, aren't they into the All
Blacks environments. It must be a pretty cool time for
them as well to get together to look at all
the best players and to come up with these thirty
two names.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
For more from sports Talk, listen live to News Talks.
It'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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