August 30, 2024 • 6 mins
Former All Blacks Coach Sir Steve Hansen joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to discuss the pressure New Zealand face against the Springboks at Ellis Park.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Doesi Wildergrave
from News Talks BE.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're joined now on News Talks t B by Sir
Stephen nat Hansen. As we look toward the Big Dance,
which it is alse Parker Hannesburg spring Box versus the
All Black Steve, you've experienced it. What's it like being
over there? What's it like being in Joe Berg? Being
there knowing that pretty much the entirety of the public
want you to fall over. They can't wait for it.
(00:33):
It must be. Is it invigorating? Frightening? How does it roll?
And welcome?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's a bit of everything, you know. It's the ultimate test,
and that's what Rugby's called test matches, where they test
your your spirit, your character, your strength of mind, your
mental strength, your fortitude, I guess. And you go there
and there's such a rich history about the place and
(00:58):
you can't help but feel it and said everything certainly
let you know about it, and you know it builds
your resolves. It's a wonderful place to play foot and
be involved in a game.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
When you roll up there in the coach, do you
jump out, walk through the crowd, see if they have
a crack order. You just hide well away from it,
because something about breathing that in when you're out there
would be quite amazing, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
You know what happens is you drive through it on
the streets and they're being in the bus, they're abusing. Yeah,
they've given you sorts of home truths about how they feel,
and you do absorb that when you get there. You
go into a parking area and it's fenced off so
you don't have to walk through them, but you're still
(01:43):
getting that they're they're hard up against the ropes and
there's one or two pleasant things here, but there's a
lot of things about your pedigree that you get to hear.
And again, it's just the passion that they have, and
it creates a passion in yourself because you think, here
we go, you know, we know what we're getting, and
we know what we come for, and this is what
(02:04):
it's all about. And the sites.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You when you're coaching young players who have never experienced
that before, did you notice anything about the way they
react to the environment there in that height playing against them.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Well, I think it's very important that you talk about it,
so it's not a surprise like young players can either
react one way or the other if it's a surprise
and be intimidated by it, or you can really bounce
into a great frame of mind because of it. So
but if you if you have the quiet chat and
(02:41):
explain what's going to happen, and it's not a surprise,
and surprises are what create threats, and threats are what
put you in the red. So you won't go in
the red because you've built a plan for you know,
we've talked about them being on the bus, and we've
talked about them abusing me and telling them a better degree,
and I've got a plan for it. So I just
(03:04):
execute my plan. And you do that with a particularly
with the young players. But you know, our guys haven't
been over there for a long time. So it's about
reminding everybody really and the management because they're just as important.
How they reacted just as important too.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
With the history and you mentioned the tradition playing against
the South African's at the top of the world of
recent times, see all blacks have done very well over
at Elice part. Do you think we give them too
much credit and we put them up on too much
of a Petters still going to play there.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think in the past, you know, when teams didn't
go there very often, sports science wasn't advanced. You know,
we probably succumb to the high valt a little bit.
But there's been lots of medical advances and people understanding
(03:58):
how to deal with playing high altitude or running in
high altitude, and there's different techniques that you can help
to to help you get through that. And I think
having played there more often in modern times and having success,
you know, builds more confidence and success. So they've got
(04:21):
to get run through it too. And I think a
modern rugby playing now is pretty well versed with coping
with it. So when you go to you do have
to cope with it. Mind you, there's no doubt that
that has an effect. But it's a mental thing as
much as anything.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Are you a coach that says, hey, if it works
for you, embrace it and feed off that, or a
coach that says, like, maybe just avoid it, pretend it's
not happening. What's the best way to go up against
a team like the spring box? Is it very much
an individual thing.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I definitely embrace what works for you as a team
and as an individual, and you know, like, you can't
avoid fact that you're competing it on the high belt,
and it does have high altitude has an effect. It's
a well known scientific effect. But it doesn't mean saying
to be frightened of it. It means, okay, if we
do this, we'll cope with it. If we warm up
(05:12):
a bit stronger than normal and push out through ourselves
and get our second breath of it earlier, we're okay.
There's certain things you can do to prepare for it.
There certain things you can do while you're in the
middle of the event. And you know, Gilly has been
around long enough to have these guys well versed in that,
so it shouldn't be a problem. And the South Africans
(05:34):
themselves like, you just got it. You respect them, but
you don't fear anybody. You can't in an all blacks,
so you don't have to fear anyone, but you do
respect them. You have to respect and prepare accordingly.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Result you're probably going to be drawn into that, But
what do you think they're going to put out from
what you've seen so far this season? Obviously it's a
whole new body of work, new coaching stuff as well.
What do you expect them from the All Blacks from
what you've seen.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, the expectation is we'll go there and play well.
That's what the expectations. Well, whether we do that, I
don't We'll have to wait and see. But I don't
know anybody who's an All Blacks porter that wouldn't expect
us to go there play well. And one that's you know,
that's why it's a tough to old job being an
All Black and being in all back management because you're
under that scrutiny all the time and that won't change
(06:18):
and it hasn't changed us, you know, because we're playing
South every the expectation has to be we're going to
go there and we're going to play well. We're going
to be physical, aggressive, we're going to be very accurate
in the things we do, and we're going to win
the game. And if we're good enough, we will. If
we're not, well, we won't.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Don't walk toward the pressure, run toward it and tackle it.
That's the idea of Steve Hanson. Always a pleasure, mate.
Thanks very much for taking time out of your busy old
day to speak with us. Are you joy get out
first thing in the morning and watch it should be
a ripsnow well.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
The only good thing about being here in Japan is
it won't be as late as it will be that
you have to get up
Speaker 1 (06:52):
For more from sports talk, Listen live to news talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Doesi Wildergrave
from News Talks BE.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're joined now on News Talks t B by Sir
Stephen nat Hansen. As we look toward the Big Dance,
which it is alse Parker Hannesburg spring Box versus the
All Black Steve, you've experienced it. What's it like being
over there? What's it like being in Joe Berg? Being
there knowing that pretty much the entirety of the public
want you to fall over. They can't wait for it.
(00:33):
It must be. Is it invigorating? Frightening? How does it roll?
And welcome?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's a bit of everything, you know. It's the ultimate test,
and that's what Rugby's called test matches, where they test
your your spirit, your character, your strength of mind, your
mental strength, your fortitude, I guess. And you go there
and there's such a rich history about the place and
(00:58):
you can't help but feel it and said everything certainly
let you know about it, and you know it builds
your resolves. It's a wonderful place to play foot and
be involved in a game.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
When you roll up there in the coach, do you
jump out, walk through the crowd, see if they have
a crack order. You just hide well away from it,
because something about breathing that in when you're out there
would be quite amazing, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
You know what happens is you drive through it on
the streets and they're being in the bus, they're abusing. Yeah,
they've given you sorts of home truths about how they feel,
and you do absorb that when you get there. You
go into a parking area and it's fenced off so
you don't have to walk through them, but you're still
(01:43):
getting that they're they're hard up against the ropes and
there's one or two pleasant things here, but there's a
lot of things about your pedigree that you get to hear.
And again, it's just the passion that they have, and
it creates a passion in yourself because you think, here
we go, you know, we know what we're getting, and
we know what we come for, and this is what
(02:04):
it's all about. And the sites.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You when you're coaching young players who have never experienced
that before, did you notice anything about the way they
react to the environment there in that height playing against them.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Well, I think it's very important that you talk about it,
so it's not a surprise like young players can either
react one way or the other if it's a surprise
and be intimidated by it, or you can really bounce
into a great frame of mind because of it. So
but if you if you have the quiet chat and
(02:41):
explain what's going to happen, and it's not a surprise,
and surprises are what create threats, and threats are what
put you in the red. So you won't go in
the red because you've built a plan for you know,
we've talked about them being on the bus, and we've
talked about them abusing me and telling them a better degree,
and I've got a plan for it. So I just
(03:04):
execute my plan. And you do that with a particularly
with the young players. But you know, our guys haven't
been over there for a long time. So it's about
reminding everybody really and the management because they're just as important.
How they reacted just as important too.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
With the history and you mentioned the tradition playing against
the South African's at the top of the world of
recent times, see all blacks have done very well over
at Elice part. Do you think we give them too
much credit and we put them up on too much
of a Petters still going to play there.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I think in the past, you know, when teams didn't
go there very often, sports science wasn't advanced. You know,
we probably succumb to the high valt a little bit.
But there's been lots of medical advances and people understanding
(03:58):
how to deal with playing high altitude or running in
high altitude, and there's different techniques that you can help
to to help you get through that. And I think
having played there more often in modern times and having success,
you know, builds more confidence and success. So they've got
(04:21):
to get run through it too. And I think a
modern rugby playing now is pretty well versed with coping
with it. So when you go to you do have
to cope with it. Mind you, there's no doubt that
that has an effect. But it's a mental thing as
much as anything.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Are you a coach that says, hey, if it works
for you, embrace it and feed off that, or a
coach that says, like, maybe just avoid it, pretend it's
not happening. What's the best way to go up against
a team like the spring box? Is it very much
an individual thing.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I definitely embrace what works for you as a team
and as an individual, and you know, like, you can't
avoid fact that you're competing it on the high belt,
and it does have high altitude has an effect. It's
a well known scientific effect. But it doesn't mean saying
to be frightened of it. It means, okay, if we
do this, we'll cope with it. If we warm up
(05:12):
a bit stronger than normal and push out through ourselves
and get our second breath of it earlier, we're okay.
There's certain things you can do to prepare for it.
There certain things you can do while you're in the
middle of the event. And you know, Gilly has been
around long enough to have these guys well versed in that,
so it shouldn't be a problem. And the South Africans
(05:34):
themselves like, you just got it. You respect them, but
you don't fear anybody. You can't in an all blacks,
so you don't have to fear anyone, but you do
respect them. You have to respect and prepare accordingly.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Result you're probably going to be drawn into that, But
what do you think they're going to put out from
what you've seen so far this season? Obviously it's a
whole new body of work, new coaching stuff as well.
What do you expect them from the All Blacks from
what you've seen.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, the expectation is we'll go there and play well.
That's what the expectations. Well, whether we do that, I
don't We'll have to wait and see. But I don't
know anybody who's an All Blacks porter that wouldn't expect
us to go there play well. And one that's you know,
that's why it's a tough to old job being an
All Black and being in all back management because you're
under that scrutiny all the time and that won't change
(06:18):
and it hasn't changed us, you know, because we're playing
South every the expectation has to be we're going to
go there and we're going to play well. We're going
to be physical, aggressive, we're going to be very accurate
in the things we do, and we're going to win
the game. And if we're good enough, we will. If
we're not, well, we won't.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Don't walk toward the pressure, run toward it and tackle it.
That's the idea of Steve Hanson. Always a pleasure, mate.
Thanks very much for taking time out of your busy old
day to speak with us. Are you joy get out
first thing in the morning and watch it should be
a ripsnow well.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
The only good thing about being here in Japan is
it won't be as late as it will be that
you have to get up
Speaker 1 (06:52):
For more from sports talk, Listen live to news talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
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