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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Live from the ex Bord Bear Garden Studios. Sho're listening
to the BYC where we'll be reflecting on the surprise
standdown of Skipper Tim Salvee and the hiding and flicted
on our boys over in Sri Lankap. We try to
when we can take the positives out of any given match.
Apart from Cleaver, of course, it gets the knives out
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at the minutest show of weakness, but we are hard
pressed on this occasion to find any shining light. It
was a comprehensive defeat and even though we showed some
fight in the second innings that merely highlighted how poorly
we batted in the first. It's hard not to look
ahead with a fair amount of pessimism as we eye
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the mighty Indians, where a three zip humiliation looks very
much on the cards. Well, fellas er Tim Salvee standing down? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Can I read? From the New Zealand two? By all,
Tim Sauvie has stepped down as Black Caps Test captain,
with Tom Lathan confirmed to take up the role full time. Latham,
who was captain the Test side on nine previous occasions,
will lead a fifteen strong Test squad including Sauvi, to
India next Friday. Savvia has played one hundred and two
Tests for the black Caps, is debuting in two thousand
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and eight, claiming three hundred and eighty two wickets, second
only to Sir Richard Hadley. It goes on to say
that he is captain and fallen Tests with six wins,
six losses to draws, which is a fairly seven split.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
It's a pretty good record for a New Zealand skipper actually.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Since taking over from Cam Williamson in December twenty twenty two,
and he said the decision to step down was made
in the best interests of the team. There are a
few anodyne quotes about how he can best serve the
team by concentrating on taking wickets and getting back into form.
He will, and he will give Tom Tiger, Tom Latham
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the head boy has.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Absolute support, absolute.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Support and backing, just as Tom did to him.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Well, look, you know I made a comment on an
acc post Paul Ford. He's been an absolute stallion for
this New Zealand side. He's been a great player and
has quite an impressive record. And you know we pointed
out on the BYC that his last three series have
just been dreadful, and you know, and when you look
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at lightful like I e. Henry versus salve You've got
to say that Henry's probably the more form player. Gives
us more options there. I mean, is this the end
for Tim Salvee or you know, he obviously wants to
carry on as a player, but is it time to move?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, it's an interesting one. It's a bit vague I
think as to whether he is going to continue, will
he be selected, will he be available, does he want
to play in India or does he not want to
be that sort of ghost haunting the team as Tom
Latham takes the reins. Important to note that the Latham
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appointment is not permanent. It's only for this Indian series,
so kind of leaves the door a jarft for some
more change down the track. Potentially. I imagine he'd be pretty
I mean, if I just look at statistics, and I
don't know if he's motivated by statistics. I think he's
genuinely motivated by wanting to help New Zealand win matches.
But you know, he is three hundred and eighty two
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not out on the test wicket pilot the moment, so
the lure of four hundred. The Richard Hadley number looks
four three two looks a bit far off, to be honest,
He's got a good average in India, but yeah, will
he go there? Look, I don't know. I feel like
he won't go to India. Have some time and then
he'll be really keen to play that home series, but
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maybe not play all those matches against England and a
bit of a farewell over sort of in December for
Tim South the absolute store of our game, particularly in test.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Cricket, Dylan, do we have that luxury with Tim to
sort of let him decide I may or may not play.
I mean it feels to me like it's time to
move on. Well, and that's from a fan of Tim Southey's.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
What I'm a little bit confused about is they're very
high up. In their NCCA press release, they made it
pretty clear he was going to India, right. Yes, they
would pick a fifteen man squad and it would include
Tom Southey, And I think they're pretty anxious to avoid
any perception of a palace coup in some respects like
we had with the Taylor McCullum situation. And then Taylor,
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who I thought was maybe not the best advised back then,
didn't go to South Africa and it looked a little petulant.
And then we had that whole thing about reintegrating Ross
into the team and it became just a saga in itself.
I think they'd be pretty anxious to avoid any perception
that there's something similar going on here.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It feels like a humble act from Southeast. Actually it
genuinely does to me.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes, I guess it wasn't tenuous in tenable Sorry, him
continuing as captain with the form that he had correct
because you just couldn't keep picking a bowler who at
max was taking out one wicket for innings. So I
still think there is a role for him to play,
particularly in home conditions. He's super fit, Like what is
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he thirty five, thirty six? He I think has got
another summer in him, home summer in him at least
is it time. That's a different issue as to his fitness,
as to whether it's actually just a time to promote
players that might be better equipped though, sure, and we
have now got a coterie of fast bowlers with Matt Henry,
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who's not young himself. No, but it was in good form.
Willow Rowke's obviously a weapon. Ben Sears maybe not as
high on Ben Sears as some of the others, but
like he's definitely got something about him. And then there's
Carle Jamison come back into the next too. Well, we're
really lacking though, and we can get onto this somewhere
down the track, but we're really lacking a fast bowling
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or a seam bowling all round her.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, and I think, you know, in terms of like
for like, I think we've all been and it's been
the situation throughout Tim Salvey's career where he's really frustrated
with the bat because there was always this feeling that
he had way more potential with the bat than he
was showing, and it's never quite come to fruition. I
think Henry offers more with a bat as well. And
I take your point Paul Ford that in many ways
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it looks a humble act and it is, but also
I sort of feel like the writing was on the
wall and he had to kind of fall on his
sword anyway, despite the fact that he made that decision.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, very fair, And I mean, if I guess, you know,
you can throw a whole lot of numbers around, but
if we do have a quick block, you know, he's
been un his career average five of the last seven years,
but in the last in twenty twenty four, you know,
he's against a career average of twenty nine point nine.
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He's averaged seventy three with the ball. So yeah, it's
really fallen off the cliff. And of course some of
those Test matches were at home where you'd think he
would excel. Some of those Test matches, you know, the
most recent ones obviously in Sri Lanka, where we thought
he would do well. He's got a terrific record on
the subcontinent. He's won test matches for US over there,
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you know, and we've talked before about his record in India.
But the other thing I was going to mention is
it did feel and maybe this is coincided with formal,
you know, rather than being a causation, but who knows,
It does feel like captaincy weighed heavy with him. And
you know, his bowling average blew out by about ten
runs since he took the captaincy on you know, that
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might coincide with form but yeah, it didn't look like
he was having a hell of a good time out
there for a lot of his for a lot of
his runners.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Captain certainly not the last four tests.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
No, Tom Latham replacement skipper are pretty standard kind of
call there. I don't have a massive issue with it.
I think he's pretty solid, kind of no nonsense, and
I see Dylan Cleaver wincing. But the other thing is, Dylan,
where else do you go?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I reckon there iss options. They just didn't look at it.
I think it's a really expedient choice for captaincy and
I've got a lot of time for Tom Lathan as
a cricketer and as a left hand opening bat. But
we've made this call that the guy who's keptaining the
team is not in the sort of form where he
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can command a spot in the team by right, So
we're giving it to a guy who's scored two fifties
in his past eighteen test in things?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, are we point?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Are we actually addressing the issue here, which is that
it's our time if we're going to reset, let's reset.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yes, that's not.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
This is sort of like a Bob Konis half of
one thing, half of the other kind of situation for me. Yeah, Look,
he's averaged less than thirty five and three of the
past four calendar years. So we're giving the captaincy from
a guy who's clearly out of form to a guy
who I would argue is not really doing much to
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command a certain spot in at eleven himself.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's interesting actually when you put it like that. You know,
in New Zealand, crickets almost pull forward force into a
corner to make some decisions here. And that's why I
bring up I brought up the Tim Salvey thing. It
feels like we're not quite yet committed to going okay,
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we need to change our direction here, we need to
make some significant changes. There's almost a reluctance to make
big changes. Thus you get a Tom Latham scenario. I
was skipper.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I reckon, that's I reckon. There's something in that, Jase.
It doesn't feel like this is, you know, fantastic succession planning. Yes,
it's succession planning in terms of who's the most obvious
person to step in given the current regime. But you know,
if you're really looking to change something up to steady
the ship, if you will, then yeah, I'm not sure
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that this is the same decision. I'm not sure that
you'd arrive at the same decision decision. What I think though,
is that this has come as a bit of a surprise.
I mean, we actually play a test mens in India
two weeks today. It seems pretty rough to pick. To
pick someone else completely out of the blue and say, right,
we're going to India in two weeks, you're captain and
good luck and kind of that feels that feels pretty unfair.
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So I think it was a pragmatic decision, a risk
averse decision to give the band to Latham for this series,
and they do a bit more thinking and a bit
more planning and advance of perhaps the home summer and
beyond that.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
And you know, Dylan, there's been a lot of criticism
about the lack of boldness with the selectors Yep, Yes,
Steads and so.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Forth, and that's which I jump on board with.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yes, and this kind of decision, I guess Steady as
She Goes reiterates that feeling amongst people, which is they're
just not they're just trying to keep the status quo
going for as long as possible. Steady as She goes
and maybe we need something a little bit different. Now.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, we haven't addressed the most fun to been. Problem
with this team is that we've gone in the space
of a decade from being the most innovative and nimble
high performance program going around to being one of the
most predictable. Yes, and I would have gone something much bolder.
I would have maybe even looked at Darryl Mitchell.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Now he's outside the box.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
But yeah, I don't know the internal dynamics of the team.
Perhaps perhaps Daryl Mitchell has an intensity to him that
might rub some players up the wrong way. I do
not know. That's mindless speculation. He could be the most
popular blake in the team for all I know. All
I know is that it just feels like when they
named Thomas the captain today, I just went, ah, right,
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of course, here we go again. Yeah, that might be
grotesquely unfair on Tom Latham, who might, as we're speaking now,
be formulating some of the most incredible, intricate, detailed, radical
plans to beat India that we've ever seen, and he
could be an overwhelming success.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I believe that.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
It just it just feels a little bit tired.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Hopefully he's really good mates with Trent Bolt and Neil
Wagner and we can get them back and take them
over to the artist matches. That would be quite good.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Yeah, it's interesting because the other thing, because the other
thing about this is right, Yes, you know, we could
do some crazy, wacky things, but we shouldn't forget that
our this is the unwinding of possibly the greatest seam
attach that New.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Zealand has ever seen, you know, And you know we've
seen what three and twenty wickets from Bolt Walk out
the door, We've seen two hundred and sixty wickets from
New Wagner and all of the slog work that he
did then and now Tim Souther you know, and you
know we shouldn't forget that as well. That's a that's
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a that's just a fact that our bowling side of things,
as we've been weakened, the guts has been ripped out
of it over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Well, Mitchell's an interesting one because he, of course, looking
back on his history, he did have issues in terms
of not being necessarily accepted in the dressing room back
early in his career, and that he was I don't
know what the issue was, but they found it difficult
working with him, and I think he's changed since those times.
The fundamental question for me has to be in terms
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of the side would we rather we lose with the
status quo or would we rather we lose trying something different.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
That's a lose lose situation you've just loved.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I know it's a lose lose situation. But what would
you prefer I would I would prefer us winning obviously,
but I would prefer.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
In New Zealand to take a slightly more bold, emboldened
approach to to refitting this team. And that goes beyond
the plane eleven if you get my drift.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yes, well yeah, and that's interesting, you know which.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
The other thing is that two young guys that have
been given a crack, Will O'Rourke in Rich and Revendra
sensational of our two of our best in Sri Lanka.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
We'll be right back after a short break. Yes, well,
let's look at this Sri Lankan Test match and humiliation mate,
the amount of effing and jeffing going on in the
Hoyde Householder, I had to shut the doors. Not good.
And you know, and we mentioned this on the previous podcast.
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I do believe you know things that we were notoriously
known for our fielding and things like that just some
really substandard play, Dylan, basic stumping catches, you know what
the hell? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
The first morning was just awful, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It was dreadful.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
The cat the Mitchell of her slip that he shelled
was so easy that there was no emotion. There was
no like will I just ran up the wicket because
it was such a standard edge. Mitchell was going to
pocket at Sri Lanka were going to be ten for two.
They're going to gather around, pair each other on the back.
And it went down and no one, no one could
quite believe it. They couldn't even get angry about it
because it was just, oh, holy hell, how did that happen? Yes,
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and then the stumping went in and out and once
that ball got old, they just didn't even look like
getting a wicket. It was just all fairly.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Sad. Yeah, mundane tedious pulled forward.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, it was a bloody tough going, no question about it.
Jason wanted to acknowledge you did predict to Neil despite
your talk of optimism, you did speak about you did
predict that Schlinka would win the series two.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Now, I but on that, and I also had a
feeling that we were going to get a shallacking in
the second Test. And I know that's hindsight, but I thought,
I don't know, we did well in that first Test,
but I've got a horrible feeling we're going to get
our asses handed to us. Then we batted pul forward
and what an absolute travesty. That was? What the bloody hell?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, look it was, yeah, it was. It was crazy.
And look there were some kind of you could blame
the pitch for this and that, you know, and it
was tricky, absolutely, but there was also some sensational catching
from the shlankins in the slips, yes, and the outfield
and close. They were unbelievably good. They were magnificent and
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they were the polar opposite of us. Yeah, and you
just say, yeah, some of those wickets, you know, the
dicey Conway catch, Phillips, Kamakazi, Mitchell outslogging, Phillips out slogging, Conway,
spooning one up, Blundle missing a reverse suite. It wasn't
all just sort of you know, the ball beating the
bat because it was ragging square. There was a bit
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of there was a bit of madness in there as well.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Can I just get off a one slight caveat to
the news owman, it was appalling eighty eight all out
when you're chasing six hundred and two for five, there's
nothing good you can say about it. But they battered
themselves into a hole and they allowed the Sri Lankan
spin twins to get into this incredible rhythm which was
in the end unshakable. But there was a reason for that,
I think. And they went into back quite late on
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day two, so they just had that defensive mindset get
through the day, and then they came out again the
next morning with a night watchman who simply hasn't got
the skills to take the attack to Sri Lanka, so
they tried to rebuild. So they had this period on
the second evening in the third morning where they were
just batting in quicksand and that's our best player doing
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that as well, came Williamson. Yes, So that felt like
quite a big moment in the game, was that we
just couldn't budge those spinners off their lengths and it
just meant that everyone coming afterwards had to try something
maybe a little bit beyond their skill level, and Sri
dl anchor and their tails up again. It doesn't excuse
eighty eight, which is appalling, But I think that what
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that was. The one mitigating factor was the circumstance of
having that andn split by the end of day two.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yes, do we want to read a bit of correspondence,
he Daniel writes Fellows hard not to see the bollocking
from Sri Lanka as punishment from the gods of cricket.
While watching the boys capitulate wasn't quite being tied to
a rock and having your liver plucked out by an eagle.
At times it got pretty close. Facing a must win
test and choosing a stick with a Choosing to stick
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with the team that included elements that severely underperformed is
not just conservative, it's hubristic and dumb. Punishment was meted
out by the gods of cricket, and we were brought
low and reminded of our grim, mortal lot to toil
upon the green. Where the hell do we go from here?
Surely stared in the conservative Canterbury faction have learned their lesson?
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Or are we doomed to repeat this cosmic mistake of
picking a subpar team under the guise of consistency for
the rest of this painful cricketing summer.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I think we've got half an answer today, didn't.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
We appeal to the deity there From Daniel.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Hey Mike from Coroco writes under the subject line from
Sri Lanka with distaste, I'm writing from Tangali Beach. I
hope I said that right after scarpering the hell out
of Gaul once the FASCAL Second Test ended. After riding
in Sri Lanka in time for the First Test again,
pitched up to the Gaul cricket ground, hoping for another
fighting performance from the black Caps. No need to mention
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how that went. My journey to the pearl of the
Indian notion hasn't been without its hecups. I kicked off
with a whale watching excursion off the coast of Gaul.
On the way out to see, the skipper climbed onto
the top deck of his boat and advised everyone to
head to the lower deck to mitigate the likelihood of
sea sickness coming from the current home of the America's Cap.
I scoffed at that suggestion and sniggered at the landlubbers
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scurrying to the lower deck. Fifteen minutes later, I was
leant over the side of the boat offloading my breakfast
on the fishes. Unfortunately, for the other tourists below, the
sea breeze blew my fruit plater breakfast in their direction
and they were cascaded with a rainbow of colors. We
all got to see a bunch of whales.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Though.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
The upside of the second test, to bark All is
that it's given me a few more days to explore
the Indian Ocean tear drop. Tomorrow, I'm off to a
wildlife safari in the National Park and then onto the
tea plantations in the whole country. I'm hoping the rest
of my trip will help remove the bitter taste of
New Zealand's two test losses and put me in a
good spirits for the home tests against the Palms. Best
not to mention the upcoming India tour. Yes, I think
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that's a very good point.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Which national parks are going to Dylan?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Did you say I think he's going to the Dawalawa
National Park.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, let me say that one.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Umm.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, I mean, you know, as an overall view, fellas,
I mean, after the second test, I just have you know,
we've got India coming up now, and I just don't
know what direction we're going to be going in because
and I don't know that we have many of norths. Yes,
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but I don't know about you, fellas, But I can't
help but feel we're going to get our asses handed
to us over in India.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well, they just took two days to beat a relatively
competitive Bangladesh team too, so they're not sure to form themselves.
They could put three elevens and beat New Zealand and
India at the moment.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yes, they treated Bangladesh with absolute disdain. In the second
Test match, it was it was.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Well, will there be changes? I mean, let's talk through that.
I mean the fifteen that went to Sri Lanka we
only got to see eleven of them because of that
hubristic as Daniel Rhodes conservative selection policy for the second Test.
Are there changes? I think we've got to take it
as read. We've got to take it at face value
that Tim Salvie will be going, Tom Lathan will be going.
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Can you guys see any ins and outs in the fifteen?
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Not really, that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Mitchell Sentner. I know he got a few cheap runs
on that second things, but.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And the high score in the first but you know,
I feel this is cruel.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
But I discard anything that happened in that New Zealand
second innings. It was the most inconsequential betting conditions you're
ever getting.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yes, and it also just for me, highlighted how badly
we played in the first Yeah. I mean in terms
of like on field elevens, you've got to have Henry
in there. I wouldn't have Salvie. Yes, Mitchell Santner. Did
he do enough and show enough because he was in
good form bowling wise, but he didn't impress that much
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with the ball over in Sri Lanka.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
One wicked I think.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, you know, it was like Conway, for example, Paul Ford.
I mean he got a what is it sixty on
the second innings, finally got some runs.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Dashing sixty two.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yes, really pissed off looking sixty after as a dicey
first innings dismissed or i'd wager, But yeah, I mean, frankly,
it's hard to see any changes that they will make.
I mean, if you're not going to bench some of
those guys after those performances in the first Test, you've
give them given them another test where they've got absolutely dumped,
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you're just going to stick with them, I would suggest,
I can't see any changes. Maybe maybe an addition or two.
I don't know if Cole Jamison's back. I think he
was out six months with a Streuss fracture, so he
might be one, you know that's possibly in contention. And
then then really you're looking at the likes of I
guess a Nathan Smith or something like that, just adding
to the squad and giving yourself a few more options.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Ashuck.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I don't think he's ready yet. He's coming off a
long term injuries and.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
He's surged surgery, I think as well.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Right, okay, and I think you'd probably rather than throw
him to the to the lions, I think you'd probably
look at it East Sodi if you were going to
go in the direction of a leggy wrispinner. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, you know what I see happening actually is, you know,
we'll have little bright spots of performance, but the ultimate
rule result will be a thumping test loss. That's how
I see this playing out. Someone will shine for a
little while and then we'll get pummeled.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It's just how one of those bright spots occurs on
a Tuesday before before a podcast, so we can grasp
onto that and fill our listeners with some sunshine.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
And just to remind ourselves. It was humiliating, but it
was not our largest first innings deficit, which was versus
Pakistan in two thousand and two. Thank you in or
Huk and show up actor who I think was a
triple century in a six for eleven something like that.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, good times. Well here's some positive news fellers, white fans.
Yeah no, come on, is hope. Well they won a
warm up game against South Africa and comprehensively too, I
might add Paul Forward.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, absolutely, they have snapped. I think it was at
ten was a ten nineteen eleven t twenties in a
raw they lost executively.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Does not officially count though, unfortunately because it was not
a eleven on eleven.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Hey, it counts for me, Dylan, it counts for.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Me at least.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Grasp older that.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, you see grasp on grasping. I feel like one
of those sport climbers at the at the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Look, it's scary as well. We've also lost at England,
but we're not going to get into that too much.
But it's amazing we've met. We've played England seventeen times
this year and we've lost fifteen of those games, so
I guess, thank god they're not in our group. But yeah,
unfortunately Australia and India both are. So yeah, look, it's
going to be tricky first game as against India or
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on Saturday morning, and you'd say on form, winning one
out of two and a week means that we are
going in with a listener raw compared to what we've
been doing over the last ten months.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Now, that's amazing when you sort of reflect upon it,
with both of the men and the woman, I mean,
how did we get here? How did we get to
such a pessimistic place after being World Test champions and stuff.
It's just been it feels like a very slow decline.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah. I think I mentioned before and I stand by this.
I just think we went from being innovative to comfortable. Yes,
And like slowly boiled frogs. We were in a pot
and the element was turned up into one and we're
comfortable for a long time, and it was quite pleasantly warm,
and by the time we realized we were boiling, we
could not extract ourselves from the pot. And how our
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flesh is falling off and we're about to be devoured.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
We'll be right back after a short break. Well, let's
chair ourselves up with a bit of Paul Ford's news
or ruse, shall we?
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Jap? WoT has the Oi Hoy trophy out west?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Magnificent polish over the weekend. Thanks. I should have sent
some packs for Dylan to just try and imagine what
it's like on his mantal piece.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
You know what I mean as voodoo He his voodoo
dolls over there on the shore. Okay, three bits of news.
There'll be something wrong with one of them. Number one.
Kevin Peterson helped broak a landmark deal between IPL franchise
the Delhi Capitals in English County Hampshire. Hampshire this week
announced a new strategic partnership with the GMR Group on Monday,
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which Peterson hailed as an historic day in English cricket.
Congrats to everyone on this journey. It's only the start.
Let effing go, he screamed on Twitter formerly or was
it ex formerly Twitter?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Peterson, of course, paid for Hampshire from two thousand and
five to twenty ten and played for the Delhi franchise
then known as the dare Devils in the IPL, including
as captain in twenty fourteen. Krakinfo reported brilliantly that he
has maintained a close personal personal relationship with gmr's bazillionaire
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owner Kuran Kumar Grandi. Number two New Zealand's domestic T
twenty champions will be crowned in Wellington this summer, not
because Wellington will necessarily win, but because Altera Roh's home
of cricket, the Basin Reserve, will host a sweet Little
Finals weekend in early February. For the first time in
the combined competition's history. The winners will be decided at
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a predetermined venue. The Supersmash comprises thirty two men's and
women's double headers at ten venues across Altierro TVNZ plus
and on Duke So Freedomware, which is lovely. The Road
to the Basin will begin on Boxing Day at seven
formerly known as Martinsteden Park in Hamilton. As the twenty
twenty four champs, the Auckland ass began their title defense
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against nd who won it in twenty twenty two and
twenty twenty three. The competition will also be broadcast to
Australia India for betting sub Saharan, Africa, the UK and
the US and number three Dylan You're gonna you know,
I know you love this guy already. And Indian left
handed prodigy who loves Brian Lara began to haunt Australia
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and probably the rest of world cricket. At Chippauk on Tuesday,
when vibarv Suria one, she nonchoalantly launched Thomas Brown over
mid wicket for an audacious sixth in the India Under
nineteen Youth Test against Australia, This thirteen year old Wunderkinder
became the youngest ever to score in an international century
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at any level. He made one hundred and four of
sixty two in what was described as his unique, authoritative
style that defies his age. Century was off fifty eight
deliveries and was the fastest century and under nineteen Test
matches since Joe Denley took fifty six balls back in
two thousand and five. What did he say?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Love this?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I never feel threatened, be it fast bowlers or spinners.
I love to hit them.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That is my mindset.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
This is frightening. This guy's going to be playing the
next twenty five years. My god, look out.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Can we get him into the New Zealand side? Maybe?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
How can a thirteen year will be playing an under
nineteen cricket? I'm pretty sure there will be illegal in
New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, well that was going to be my You've got
to be bruising about his age, surely, but taken that
off the table by doubling down on it. I think
I sent you a screenshot of that scorecard because I
was just looking at going I can't believe.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
This eighty something of forty at that point.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, and you're one hundred and four without lass than
this kid had an eighty something of them. Yeah, ooh shit.
I'm going to have to go with story number two.
I read stories one three. I think they're right. I
know that the finals weekend is in Wellington, that part
of it's true. Maybe maybe Ndy aren't the twenty two
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to twenty three champs as well.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Weirdly enough, I didn't think Auckland were the current champs.
But then that's my razzled brain. M I'm going to
go three and the age because I can't accept that
he's thirteen.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
We should both wash your mouths out for that. Because
he's thirteen years one hundred and eighty eight days, which
is unbelievable. I totally. I think it's a their thing
to call out. But no, the fastest century in under
nineteen Test cricket was not Joe Dinley. It was Moween Arley.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, Queen Arley.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
So Jason, you retain the trophy comfortably.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Hey, now listen, it's a pyrrhic victory, that one, really,
Dylan Cleavers, Who am I? Though? The answer we got
we got sent this in from Luckey b geid A. Lads,
it's Lockey here, Dad and I just listened to your
latest podcast on the Way to the Cricket in Hamilton.
We believe that this week's who am I? As black Cat?
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Number one? Ted Badcock?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Cheers, Fowlers love hearing the BBIC on the way to
the Cricket, Locky and.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Dad great, these got the regular listeners. Lockie Lover get
to you and your old man. I know this is
a very nerdy thing to say, but I'm going to
say it anyway. We've never had a Test cricket that
starts with A and finner. Allen was going to be
it and he's not going to be it. So we're
going to have to wait another thousand years for that
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to happen.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Chats good lord, check, alabasta, green, alabasta, Oh do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
It's okay. When you said alphabetically, though, I was like,
is he the first Test cricketer by the.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Alphabet yes, because they obviously had to play a first
Test at some stage in that very first Test team
didn't have someone beginning to day.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Okay, thank god, I can sleep again.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Who you got this week there for us?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I can clear that up, you radio? Who am I?
I might well be described as the original enphon Terry
Blair of New Zealand cricket. On one of New Zealand's
most gilded tours, my manager said of me, if only
he would curb an impetuosity to make a century, not
merely before lunch, but as it sometimes seemed, before breakfast.
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That was the thing about me. Nobody doubted my talent.
Bert Sucliffe no less described me as being light on
my feet, like a dancer, but with a full array
of shots. But my record was, even accounting for the times,
objectively poor. I played twenty five Tests and saw an
uncommon amount of New Zealand victories. Three more than Bert,
for example, but my ten year career netted just one
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ton in an average south of twenty. My first class career,
all spent in the South was slightly better, though my
five to thirty eight hundreds to fifties ratio spoke to
my propensity for classy cameos rather than innings of substance.
By the way, this isn't actually me speaking, because I
died in two thousand and seven. Ah any clues fellas. No,
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it is actually quite a famous and I won't say
popular because there's a lot of frustration with him, but
quite a well known cricketer of the age. So I
hope that helps you out there in listener land.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Great stuff Pull forwards cricket violence corner. Pull forwards cricket
violence corner.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
A low key Indian cricket tournament named the MCC Weekdays
Bash lived up to its name. In the final between
Aero Visa and Rabdan. The Bash was brought and the
fixture was marred by controversy after rapdown bar the Khasi
Muhammad and of Lisa bowler Narsia Ali were involved in abrawl.
The incident happened on the final ball of the thirteenth
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over after Narsia dismissed Kashif and gave him a sensational
fiery send off, quite a long one with pointing and yelling.
Kashif started walking off and then decided he had enough
swung around as the bowler continued to hurl abuse and
a full scrap erupted. As they were fighting and the
umpires and teammates trying to separate them, Nasia broke free
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of the pack, grabbed the non striker's back and wrapped
it around Kashif. Sensational stuff in the weekday Bash.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Good lord.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Can I just say one thing there that I don't
want to resort to lazy tropes here, but I don't
think there's any such thing as a low key tournament
in India.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, No, fair enough? Hey, now pull Ford getting into
our correspondence. I believe you've made a rap song about
Eden Park.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah. Can I give you a bit of context on that, Jason, Yes, Jo.
We had some correspondents from Peter d and at read
as follows. Great to have the b ysc back. This
is a sometime hobby horse of Dylan's. But I know
with the release of the Ford Trophy schedule, Auckland's official
domestic home ground until Christmas at least, appears to have
become the Bay Oval, a mere two hundred and thirty
kilometer trip from the usual home, which is of course
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situated in the car park of a well known Rugby stadium.
The vagaries of Auckland Stadium politics are not something anyone
looking forward to someone wants to get into. But imagine
explaining to Cricket of Fitzionado's The World Over that the
domestic side from our most popular center are effectively refugees
because well we just haven't got round two sorting that
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one out yet, Mate from Pete d now research on
this and the reason why those matches are being played
at Mount Molanui because there is a Travis Scott concert
on jc be a huge fan of Travis Scott, wouldn't
you know? Anyway? I decided Adela, and I'm very glad
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to get your thoughts on what the hell's going on here.
But before we do, I just warm you guys up
with a rap song that I made in the Trevor
Scott style about Eden Park.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Currently the hype shape. We couldn't script this type.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
I'll field lightning paste chased the light bombrous peas, spinner words,
crickets ace, boundary world, smella, set of bas well lets
in my flaking smart well make your.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Mind all of the crab dreams out loud. We ain't
mouth cricket changing out of barrios loud.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Bloody, good mate, and it's not bad pulled forward. Great work,
great work, just on that. I mean, what a bloody travesty,
Dylan Cleaver. I mean, for God's.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Sake, this is what happens when you're involved in autand
cricket and you get so tunnel visioned you so hitch
your wagon to Eden Park. So Eden Park is our
spiritual home, not only that is our future. Meanwhile, Eating
Parker going. I actually we'd rather have concerts here than cricket.
Would rather bring some money. Yes, what are flip and shambles?
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Auckland gets exactly what they deserve from the administrators that
they have.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yes, because I I was, I've spent a lot of
quality time at Eating Partner number two. It's quite a
lovely little boutique sort of ground.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
And yeah, I can't stand it.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
I love it. Back in the old days, you know,
you know, but I mean, you know the biggest center
in the country. We can't find a ground for our cricketers.
Is embarrassing and stupid. Pull forward. If people want to
get in touch with us, what do they do? Mate?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Look as your short epistle to b y C at
Base Brigade dot co dot NZ or slide into the
d MS of the Alternative Commentary Collective all the Base
Brigade on Instagram or Facebook and they'll find their.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Way to it. And what's going on with the Bounce
at the moment, they're Dylan Clever graduations.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, I brought up the five hundred Wow. Yeah, so
five hundred newsletters. If you've been with me from the start,
that means five hundred punishing emails have dropped into your
in bugs if you haven't, If you've just joined, it's
great to have your board. If you want to join,
if you're curious, Dylan Cleaver dot substack dot com, or
just google Dylan Cleaver in the Bounce and come along
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for the ride.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Good on you, mate. Hey Nellison, you know, I got
to apologize to the listeners. It's been a slightly pessimistic,
depressing kind of podcast. Reasonable, but that's just the reality
that we find ourselves in at the moment, and I
think we're just going to have to grad our teeth
and hold on to our couches and have a few
beersies when we're watching the Indian tour pull forward.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, I'm going to say. It's interesting, isn't it how
the cycle of expectation comes comes around?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Right?
Speaker 3 (39:58):
So twenty years ago this is where we were. The
generation of players that we've had, and all of the
amazing success has completely reset our expectations and suddenly we're
not being like facetious and silly kind of barmy army
styles about sort of like all of the losses and
all that kind of stuff. We actually are surprised that
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we're not winning cricket games, and we're actually surprised that
we're getting flogged in a few test matches. This is
just back to reality. So we'll get through this sort
of the doom and gloom all the way back to
being our sort of tongue in cheek self. I'd imagine
over the next few months.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Speak for yourself, Paul I, I'm going to be spewing
over us the next few weeks. I can tell you
that much. Dylan. I just know I'm going to be
passed off.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I've still got a few months of angsty, insistential kind
of crisisy left in me before I can get to
that facetious tongue in cheek haha. Look at us all
out for ninety two against England at the Basing kind
of thing.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, hey, thanks for taking no no, thanks for taking
the time to listen. We'll be back, same time, same place,
next week until the end. See you later.