October 9, 2024 • 41 mins
Dylan Cleaver joins Paul Ford for another episode of NZ's #1's cricket pod, the BYC!
In this episode the guys start with the White Ferns win against India (0:00), then react to the news that a Kane Williamson injury could derail the Black Caps tour of India (7:41)…
Plus, another ’Cricket Violence Corner’ and ‘Who Am I’ (41:47).
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Coomste alto Welcome to the BYC podcast, coming to you
from the Export Bear Garden studio in the midst of
a week that is the calm before the stormy, tremble
inducing proceedings that I fear will be the abiding memory
of the upcoming Black Cats tour India. This week we
reflect on the opening salvos of the Women's T twenty
World Cup in the UAE squirm about the squad for
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the Indian for a revel in England's battles overnight and
wash it all down with an acknowledgment of a fallen
cricketer and some cricket violence. I am Paul Ford, Godfather
of the Base Brigade. I am joined by Master of
the New Zealand Cricket Scoop, Dylan Clever, el Pleasi Dente
of the Southeast Asian Bound substate newsletter the Bounce DC.
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Tough week watching the White firms get going and then
not get going in this World Cup.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, so positively didn't there.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And I think that's probably an appropriate place to start,
given the misery of last week that we thrust upon
our listeners. The White fans got off to a thumping
start in the UAE by beating India by fifty eight
runs in Dubai. Batting first, they scored one hundred and
sixty for four. Sophie Devine led the way with fifty
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seven not out of thirty six balls and ably assisted
by Georgia Plimer thirty four from twenty three, before wrapping
up India's innings for one hundred and two in the
nineteenth over, with Rosemary Mayor taking four for nineteen and
lea to who who three for fifteen. And I must
have met when I saw that result and watched the
way they played, I thought, have we been a bit
(01:42):
harsh on the White Ferns?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
After all?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
This incredible losing streak that been on has been against
Australia and England almost exclusively, right, So is it a
case of Australia in England being so far ahead of
the pack and then the White Fans not actually that
bad kind of leading the pack underneath? And I don't
know whether the second game provided any conclusive evidence of
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that or the other way around. I'll throw that over
to you to get your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, it's an interesting point, Dylan. I think I think
that's right. I mean, obviously it's frustrating watching them lose
game after game after game, and obviously I mean surely
debilitating for the team for morale and all of those
sorts of things. But you would expect that given the
number of games they've played, that they are, you know,
getting exercised against the best of the best, and that's
surely got to pay some dividends. And if it's paying
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some dividends against some of the lesser teams during this
two twenty World Cup, I'm all for it. So yeah, look,
I think you're right. It does feel like, you know,
England and Australia are kind of miles ahead of everybody else,
and it's it's a real much of a muchness in
terms of the rest. You know, I had a quick
or even just the odds. You know, it's Australia playing
a dollars fifty dollars sixty something like that, England are
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about four bucks, and then you know India on nine
in New Zealand on fifteen. It's definitely, yeah, the top
to it and then the rest. The other thing. When
I'm watching you know, you know that game, that second game,
I think some of the verbs that I could just
see in the media headlines were bulldozed, crushed and thumped.
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You know, we just should be not expecting us to
beat Australia based on current form. I mean, we've just
been through it so many times. And I was going
to come blazing in with a massively compelling point about
how we've lost to Australia forever, but our overall record
in T twenties against them is actually surprisingly even. So
fifty two games played, we've actually won twenty one of
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those games, twenty nine losses of time and no results,
so we went about forty percent of the time. But
in our defense, it hasn't been for a while. We've
only won four of the last eighteen, so it's down
around twenty percent going back the last seven years or so,
it feels like things have changed. Signify.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, there's a couple of points to expand on there,
and that is T twenty should be the game where
as long as you've got a few talented players, you
should be able to sneak the odd game. So I
think that's what the really concerning thing is that every
time we go up against England and Australia now the
only games we ever seem to win our dead rubbers,
the ones tacked on to the end of series that
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England have already won. So there is a little bit
of a I guess if it's a mental block or
just a skills block, but you should not lose that
often to them. And also it's one thing to go
into a game against Australia not expecting to win. It's
another thing to be thumped by sixty runs and a
t twenty. And just to go through the short scoreboard
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from this morning's shocker, Australia batting first one four eight
for eight.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
This was at Shajai as well, by the way, with Kerr.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Taking four for twenty six and then in reply and
the White fans replied with eighty eight all out in
the twentieth over no betting to highlight there. Really it's
a calamitus loss, quite honestly, and it's highlighted by the
fact that New Zealand's top seven all scored at a
strike rate of less than one hundred. And you just
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can't do that. I mean, I know you can kind
of get on a negative role in these games, but
someone has actually got to have the bravery to go
out there and say right, I'm one, four eight for
eight against this Australian attack, which is pretty relentless.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's tough to do, but I'm just going to take
it to them.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I'm going to be the one that it might fail spectacularly,
but I'm not going to fart around for fifteen balls,
scoring seven and then throw my wicket away.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
But it just feels like but all looking at someone
else to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, Yeah, that's right, that's right, you know, I suppose Yeah,
I mean I haven't. I didn't watch enough of it
to know whether that intent was there, But purely on
the scoring r rates alone, you can you can read
a lot into it, can't you. It's it's just feels
like a groundhog day in these sorts of matches, and
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you just know, you just know. I mean to be fair,
you know we have mentioned this before, but the Australians
are extraordinary, right, I mean they've what are they? They
beat England in the warm up game I think by
thirty or forty runs, and I think that this is
the only for their fourth consecutive title in this tournament.
So yeah, I think we're allowed one free hit.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, and England with them at the start. When I
see England and Australia are ahead of the rest. Really
it is to all intents and purposes at one horse race,
you know, it's almost like Australia have to beat themselves.
They're relentless. Their talent is amazing. If Beth Mooney doesn't
get you, and Alssa Heady will get you, or Elease
Perry will get your. Italian McGrath by Annabelle Sutherland, you
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know the spin bowling options. They go to Sophie Molinu
who is out injured for a year and comes back
and there's unplayable almost from the start. So just a
very very very good team.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yes, and so maybe we need to reset our aspirations.
Sure winning would be lovely, making the final would be outstanding,
but maybe a semi final booth. Realistically, as far as
this White Fans team can really be expected to go,
give them the current state of the woman's game and
where we sit in those rankings, I.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Think you take that as a win, I really do. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Well, speaking of what we might take for a one DC,
maybe when we come back, we'll have a quick yarn
and maybe a long yarn actually about how this Indian
series is shaping up. Some pretty interesting news out earlier today.
Welcome back to the b YC. It's Paul Forlhan, Dylon
Cleaver come into your life from the Export Beer Garden
Studio and Dylan Interesting times. The black Caps squad has
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been named. Maybe we can get into that. But some
horrendous news came. Williamson out with growing discomfort.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, it's awfully ambiguous, that isn't it.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
We've all had a bit of growing discomfort from time
to time, but it's not good.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
In fact, it's really really bad.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I think I might have sent on the BYC chat
last night a little graphic that popped up during the
Pakistan England game that showed the best players of spin
in the world since COVID isolation, essentially, and they were
four subcontinent players texting my brain here, but I know
Dennis Chandemar was in there, the New Shoe Lenkan Sensation,
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Comindu Mendus was in there. Shaquille Sword Shaquille was in there. Yeah, yeah,
the New Indian Sensation was in there.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
And then.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Little Old New Zealand came Williamson averaging seventy two against spin,
so clearly our most qualified player to go over there
and at least take the fight to revenge Jadasia rav Ashwyn.
But yeah, and it wasn't even certain. It wasn't black
and white that press release either. Whether he's going to
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be the hoping he can come back later in the series.
I'm not sure if the hoping he can even be
fit enough to get over there and into the first Test.
I couldn't quite work out in my mind what they're
trying to say there. But he has been replaced by
Mark Chapman, which I didn't see coming actually, and this
is Sam Wells talking about that, he said. Chapman featured
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in three of the Aces Punket Shield pictures last summer,
notching two hundred and forty five runs at an average
of forty, including one two three against the Vaults in
DNED in February. Well said Chapman possessed the right skill
set test cricket and the subcontinent.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
We believe Mark is one.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Of our best players, has spin and has a proven
track record in the Subcontinent, said Wells. Mark has displayed
an ability to play spin proactively in the international arena
and combined with his excellent first class record, we see
we see him as someone who can succeed and the
type of conditions we expect to encounter into India, which
I sort of had a sad dunic reply that, Yep,
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a century against Otago and Dunedin is all the evidence
you need that he's going to succeed in benglu U
against the Spindins of India.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well, yeah, yeah, it does seem like a bit of
a strange rue. I mean, I haven't had too long
to obviously kind of digest it. My first point when
that I thought when came Williamson was down with his
grundous comfort, was that he's going to have saw balls
and he's going to be watching this testament. Should probably
get saw eyeball so that soon we can get him
over there, obviously the better. But yeah, look, I think
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the thing with the thing with Chapman and this is
the thing that annoys me in some of these releases,
the thing about the proven trackcord and you picked up
on one point, but it also talks about him, you know,
having an excellent record on the subcontinent. He averages seventeen
and eighteen for t twenties and fifty over games in India.
So I mean it's not a hugely compelling, not that season.
(11:03):
It's not it's not that excellent, it's not that proven
well proven to be not that good. I guess. I
guess it's proven in one sense. Look, I've got nothing
against Mark Chapman, and you know, I think he's a
really good player. The other thing that also but the
other thing that also sticks in my craw, I guess
what if I was one of the other guys in
and around him, is that he he was twentieth in
the batting averages for the Planket Shield, admittedly off a
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small stample size of innings. But I guess that's my point.
You've got these guys that are going out, you know,
day and day out playing you know, eight Plunket Shield games.
You know, guys like cut Joe Carter, even Henry Nichols
I think played at ten innings. I think in the
Planket Shield, Mitch a, Tom Bruce, Greg hay Dale, Phillips,
Gareth Severin, that Kelly. These are all guys that are
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ahead of Mark Chapman on recent format and have played
a lot of first class games in New Zealand, which,
to your point, is that actually very useful when you're
going to go play Oh my god, Boomer and Judasia
and ash and so on. But yeah, there's an there's
an interesting thing in here around you know, what are
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we doing? What are we doing with these with these selections,
it feels like a bit of a nod to the
today's gone by. And you know, I had a quick
look at that bowling line up when he scored the
century against India, a which sounds great, you know, the
bowling line it was Saraj fair enough, poor ale warrior,
Shankha Nadem, the Hari and Agawil two overs. So chalk
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and cheese, chalk.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And cheese, absolutely, And that was the first thing I
thought of when I saw that Chapman had being brought
And again I think Chapman's a nice player. I think
he's flattered to deceive a little bit at the top level,
but still a nice player. But my immediate thought was,
how does Henry Nichols feel about that? How does Tom
Bruce feel about that? Tom Bruce has just done nothing
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but score runs for season upon season upon season. I
think he even might have gone to India on that
a tour as well. Maybe he didn't do as well
as Chapman on it, but it just feels like, I
don't know, I think you put it perfectly actually that
what are they doing? And well, I can tell you
what they're doing in terms of the full squad, which
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is Lathan captain, which will get you soon, Blundle. We
could keep a Bracewall was going over but for the
first Test only. Then he leaves for the birth of child.
He will be replaced by is Sody for the second
and third Test. Chapman has discussed Conway, Henry, Mitchell, O'Rourke, Patel, Phillips, Revenger, Santna, Sears, Southy, Williamson,
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if and when and Young. We've kind of mentioned what
we may have done differently. I may have gone in
a different direction to replace Williamson or to cover Williamson.
But do we assume now that Young goes into that
number three spot for the first Test studying in Benglaru
if Williamson as we expecse and.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Get there, Yeah, DC, I reckon that's exactly right. First
Test starts next Friday, five pm. I believe the first
ball is going to be thundered down by either O'Rourke,
Isume or Boomera. But yeah, I think that's right. So
I guess all of this, you know, wailing and mashing
of teeth about the Chapman thing is probably neither here
nor there. It seems very unlikely to play. Surely to god,
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will Young slots into that that number three, the other
the other thing. And maybe I'm reading too much into it,
but it does seem that if Michael Bracey was unavailable
for two thirds of the of the tour, you know,
are they taking him away and definitely going to play
him in that firstest? Otherwise sort of seems a bit
weird if they're not going to play him. So I
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did wonder whether he would would slot into to that
eleven in place of Mitchell Sentner, and then surely I
think Matt Henry would come in for Tim Southy, and
you know what's obviously I think our Rourke should be
in there. It's not not really my point, but if
he was tired, I feel like there's going to be
some management of him with with Ben Sears. Possibly not
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for this first test.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Though, yeap.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
So I mean you raised that point to south The
obviously made the call or it was made for him.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It doesn't really matter which way around it was.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
We just have to take it at first face value
that he made the call to step aside from Captain
c to concentrate on his bowling. Again, that was immediately
by in chat rooms around the country on radio stations
with the thought that what he shouldn't go to India,
he's out of form. Should he stay back in New Zealand,
get a good pre season under his belt and then
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concentrate on those India tests. They've obviously decided that, note
they need his experience over there in India.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Good cool, poor cal and different call. How would you
see that one?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well? I think, yeah, I wondered whether he was going
to step aside for this tour basically stand himself down.
But I'm actually quite pleased to see that he's going
to go. I'm sure, particularly with the injury to Williamson,
it will actually be fantastic. I think for Tom Lathan
to have an experienced sounding board like him in the squad.
I do worry about how he's going to go if
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he's not on the eleven though. Yeah, well no, apparently
we know he hates not playing fair enough to he.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Does hate playing, But from what I've told other people
have dropped their lips more than tim that he's actually
really quite good around the team.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
When he's not playing.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
There might have been one occasion in Sydney where he
was possibly a little bit unhappier than he has been
in the past, But my understanding is that he's actually
a bloody good person to have around, keeping everyone loose,
taking the piss out of everyone, which is kind of
his sense of humor is to chop other people down
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to size. Look a couple of just one other talking
point I've got is, as we mentioned ad nauseum last week,
we're not in a great time for New Zealand for
this test squad and it's you know where it's at
right at the moment on its development arc. Is this
a big tour for any particular players? Do you think
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I've marked down here Tom Blundell, Blundell who who bad
it all right in Sri Lanka? In fact, look very positive.
But there's a guy that i've here they got big
wraps on in Canterbury. Mitch Hay is kind of waiting
in the wings. Would you see this is a particularly
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big tour for Tom and anyone else you would throw
into that mix.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yep. Look, I think I think it's a good I
think it's a good call. I think Blundle definitely in
need of of some runs and a good performance with
the gloves pretty ropey in that Sri Lank contest series.
So yes, I think he's definitely got a point to prove.
I think Conway, it's a big, big series for him.
Is he? Dare I say, you know, is he sort
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of approaching the the end of his the You know,
I didn't want to say it, to be honest, you know,
is he is? He? It is closer to the end
in the start, it's like there hasn't been that long
and so yeah, but worried about a bit worried about him.
I hope he has a fantastic series over there.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
So I didn't have any weight on that second innings
in Srilanka because it was such loose steak situation, but
I did kind of I did feel that that was
maybe a little bit cathartic for him on an individual level,
getting some runs in that second innings.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, And I think two others to mention, actually one
I thinks Phillips. Now, I don't mean that Phillips is
in any danger of being sort of left out, but
I feel like if he can do some good good
a great job as the spinning all round her, you
know in India, that will be a huge, huge confidence
boost for him and that will mean that he's really
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starting to carve that role out for himself. So yeah, look,
I think, yeah, those guys are the ones that kind
of stick in my head. Satna too is the other
one that is he going to get anotherpportunity or is
he is he falling down the pecking order a wee bit.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, again, he kind of had a nice enough second
Test in Sri Lanka and it makes the carnage to
need to make you.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
But again that's the frustration with Satna, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
You can see the talents there and it just very
it doesn't seem to manifest itself in red bull cricket
like it does in white ball cricket. Another name I
would throw into there is as well Young if he
does get this opportunity with Caine's injury, a little bit
like Satna in fact, and that you look at him
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and you say, there is a cricketer like he's got
every shot, but it just hasn't for whatever reason, probably
because of the inconsistency of selection, the inconsistency where he
bats in the order it just hasn't happened for him yet.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
So I feel that this is a big tour for
him if he gets the opportunity to play.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah yeah, one one quick point before we before we
move on, But I noted that the squad is departing
for India. I think this Friday, ahead of that first
Test in a week's time, a week or so, it's time.
But I noted that Darryl Mitchell was not with the team.
He's actually been training over in the nets in Dubai
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and I was curious about this, and he's been training
at the Rajasthan Royals Academy. And you know, I just
followed the thread through. So the guy that he's being
coached by has a guy called Sidler Harry who was
part of the he's a batting coach for the Rajasthan Royals.
But gee, it's just it was a real reminder to
me of the infrastructure that sits around some of these
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IBL teams. So they've got three cricket academies, one in
Surrey at Reed's School. That'll be thirty thou pounds a
year for your school feast, thank you, mister Cleaver. And
alongside that they've just opened an academy in New Jersey
in the States, and then this one in Dubai. Yeah,
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pretty extraordinary. How significant these IPL teams and what they've
built up around their franchises.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I believe a former New Zealand Test cricketer may have
been the head groundsman at Reads for a while former
Auckland sometime we could keep him middle lord of Batsman.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Called Peter Webb.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well there you go.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well, I may have that wrong. I might have to
dig into my into the internet to see if that's true.
And I've just got a sneaking suspicion that's where he was. Hey,
we've got a bit of correspondence from Chris p following
on from last week's Miserable podcasts. So it's quite long,
but bear with us because I think he makes a
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number of good points. Cura to the BYC team. I
felt compelled to get in touch as your most recent
pod seems so downbeat guilty. I guess this is appropriate
as we head across to and inevitably get threshed by India.
This tour will prove our decline from the heavy heights
of World Test champions status in twenty twenty one is complete.
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Those Halcyon days when we knew how to win, it
seemed inevitable that Jamison would take out the Indian top
Water if Wagner, Bolt and Sow.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
They didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Instead, Taylor and Williamson's an exorable march towards the title
seemed easy.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Oh how lucky we were.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
There are calls to change the team, to add some
life into the dying black cat species. However, it is
difficult to find clear visions for what our future could
look like. So I sat down and took a stock
tape of our cricketing talent, and here is my black
Cat squad for the summer. Latham Captain, Conway, Williamson, Ravender
and Mitchell Phillips, Mitchell Hey, Nathan Smith, Henry Jamison O'Rourke
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with reserves, Sow, these sears, Blundle and Young. I'm getting
exhausted now, Paul, would you like to take a take
over from here?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Sure? Sure, Chris p continues, this balance is maintaining stability
with introducing youth and keeping under performing players accountable. We
don't currently have better alternatives to our top five. Will
Young is the best and has been tried and failed.
Mia Bass isn't quite ready, nora Is Robinson, Tim Phillips
should be moved up to six nurtured as our lead spinner.
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He's passionate about spin bowling and could be a world
class all rounder if he plays his one. His results
have been good he has a long future. Blundle should
be replaced by Mitch a who has a great first
class record and deserves a shot. This introduces root youth
and keeps Blundle sharp and under performing players can be
given the message that they are replaceable. Our bowlers need
an injection of youth and speed. Smith promising as an
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all rounder who can bowl with the new ball. Henry's
our best and Jamison should come straight back in when ready.
O'Rourke a true number eleven in the vein of Chris
Martin and has proved himself as the future for our
bowling lineup. However, we need to ensure he is an
over bowled and injured So four quicks it is. I
think the key change is that Stead should go along
with Aurum, Ronkey and Foster Brutal. We need a coach
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d Yeah, we need a coaching overhaul and we should
try our best to recruit some of our homegrowning international
talent who have proven records. We've produced Bears, Flea and
Bond for Tory, Bradburn and even Hessen might be worth
trying to will again. Now his kids are a bit older,
he may have more time to recommit to the team.
All the coaches have proven records and homes in New Zealand.
(24:14):
We need to reset the culture and re establish our standards,
and then it kind of goes a little bit wild
and crazy. How about we transition Saldi and Williamson into
coaching Wattling for fielding. We could see whether those established
coaches could provide mentoring. We might even get Victoria to
provide some mentoring for Ageaz, who could be hired to
coach our spinners.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Pointer.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Something needs to change. We need to think about resources
we have, how to utilize them, and how to maintain accountability,
or will gradually embarrass ourselves until we start looking like
the drunk uncle at the wedding, boasting about the good
old days while everyone laughs at our deteriorating dance moves,
until we comba out in a small puddle of our
own urine. We're better than that, surely. Cheers for your
work and chin up. Remember it could be worse. Davy
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Dumdum has retired. Thank you, Chris p massively long but
buddy interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, yeah, I thirty buried the lead.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
As I mentioned, the key change he'd have is in
the coaching look. I thought one of his lines there
that I've really latched onto is the one about keeping
players sharp and underperforming players can be given the message
that they are replaceable. This has become the bug beer
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for me. New Zealand's success was built on stability and
consistency of selection, but they've not just taken it to
the nth degree, they've stretched it out to it's no
longer effective. I believe there's no jeopardy for those guys now.
They fail without any accountability. I know that's a really
harsh way of putting out. They're not trying to fail.
They still good players. But I do think that's a
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really important that we get some kind of jeopardy back
into that selection model, because it's just not there at
the moment.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
It's a very very interesting, it's a very interesting tech. Yeah.
I think the other piece around this is that you know,
would be fantastic to have McCullum and Fleming and Vitry
and you know, all of those guys involved, the economics
of that are just so so so problematic.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
They are not done.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And yeah, look maybe down the track when they've kind
of got nothing else better to do in a second,
flying first class all around the world to coach a
few people who are still going to be competing with
probably doing stuff by a zoom that's paying more than
doing it in real life. For the New Zealand, it's
a really really difficult one. We're really relying on their
good will rather than them and then sacrificing a hell
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of a lot of their you know, now some economic
value and all of that kind of stuff. So look,
I think it's it would be nice, but it's it's
it doesn't feel particularly realistic. But lots of lots of
bloody good thoughts in there. And yeah, a couple of
interesting names. Nathan Smith is a is a really interesting one.
I've seen him play a lot. I think he's a
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real contender. And yeah, Mitchell Hay haven't seen him play
too much, but definitely one to keep an eye on
over the over the Mystic summer. Hey, DC, I don't
know if you've caught much of the Pakistan versus England
game overnight. I love the last couple of days. Oh,
good work, good work, and I had to do a
bit of foss king to find out the best way
to watch that. A couple of things that caught my eye.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
One was I don't know if you saw it, it
was quite a well first of all, I should go
to the school cud Pakistan five hundred and fifty six, massive,
massive score and then England in reply ninety six for
one absolute mayhem at the end of the.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Game last night. All sorts of carnage, drop catchers and
all sorts of stuff, hand injuries to Ben dug it.
But there was I don't know if you've seen. There's
quite an interesting interview between Mike Atherton and Brendan McCullum
about where the bowling mentor is. Of course, the bowling
mentor is James Anderson, who is playing golf in Scotland
and the Alfred Dunhill Links Championship, and he's done quite
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well and made the cut, so he's decided to stay
on because he's really pleased with his form and didn't
make it to the Test match in time, which was
quite unusual. Mike Everton, as you would expect quite annoyed,
quite genuinely annoyed, and Britta McCullum could not have cared less.
It was quite extraordinary, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
That whole role sounds just like a sinecure, right, It
sounds like, Okay, I know you don't want to retire
just yet, but we need you to retire to bring
some youth through.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
But here's what we're going to do for you.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
You can have the title of bowling mentor and basically
come along for the ride. So I'm sure Bears is
not really missing a hell of a lot by Jimmy
Anderson making the cut of the Alfred Dunhill links and.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
It was it was a little bit like what we
just talked about in relation to, you know, those New
Zealand Stars, Stars of Days gone by. McCullum was a
very matter of fact. He said, we'll take whatever we
can get from Jimmy. We're just really stuck that he's
going to be joining us at all. He doesn't have
to be coming here. He could be sitting at home
with his family. That's the point, right, So yeah, yeah,
(28:53):
interesting one, interesting one to keep an eye looks like
a bit of a road over there.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
So the easiest place to watch that for listeners is
just go to YouTube and put in England versus Pakistan.
It comes up almost immediately. It'll have a chat along
the side of it. You just push the cross, get
rid of the chat and you've just got full screen
chess cricket live streaming through YouTube and as far as
I can see, it's not illegal.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
No one else, no one else is streaming it.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
So and you know, if you need a New Zealand
reason to tune in. Chris Kaffney is standing in that
match and he had a well, no, he's not actually
up on the TV in the box, isn't it? Yeah,
tv umpire and he had an interesting decision to make
last night. When was it? Selman came down and pounded
Jack Leech out to the fence and Chris Workes took
(29:39):
a screamer of a catch one hundred and seventeenth over
I think it was he sort of pedaled backwards, took
the catch and then threw the ball in the air
and stepped back onto the boundary rope. I think the
batsman started walking off and then it got reviewed to
death and the decision was made that that he had
touched the ball and his foot was on the round
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outside the playing oval, so so close and look.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I watched it a number of times and it was
one of those occasions that, no matter how good technology is,
that just wasn't quite enough frames per second. I think
he probably caught it. I think he probably did lift
that foot just in time, but that frame wasn't captured,
so you could only go back one and more and
his foot was still on the ground and it looked
(30:27):
like the ball was about to enter his hands. So
I think Gaffney did the only thing he could do.
Probably been curse being put in that position. I think
he was on nineteen at the time. That took him
to twenty five when they awarded him the six, and
he ended up with one hundred, so it was costly,
you know, if.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
You're playing that. So say that that exact situation happens
in its club cricket? What happens in that because obviously
no one's filmed it. Do you reckon on? Would it
come down to just an argument between the captains and
whoever the most alpha captain, the most alpha captain would win.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You usually take the fielder's word for it, but that's
a little bit different because it would have been on
the boundary in club cricket, right in front of the
batting team who were sitting there, so they would have
been yelling out sex, sex, sex, and the fielder would
have been going no, no, I caught it. So it
ended up with a cricket violence corner scenario probably.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Oh nice.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Another thing that caught my eye this week, just quickly,
just a quick, just a quick acknowledgment of this was
Louis Vincent I see is going to be turning out
in the black clash next over the seat over the summer,
which is which is awesome. You know, I don't know
how you feel about this. DC keem to get your thoughts,
and he's obviously I think, played a little bit for
the cent cricket club. But it does feel like the
(31:47):
redemption arc for lou Is fully complete with him coming
back onto that quasi international scene.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh look, I'm bloody please for him. He did an
unbelievably stupid thing. How he got to that point in
his life is tragic, and you know, the circumstances around
it were tragic, but can't alter the fact that he
made some choices that were.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Just beyond stupid.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
He paid a massive penalty for that, but the eleven
life bands was ridiculous and we're at a good place
now where he can do a lot of good for cricket.
Cricket can do a hell a lot of good for him.
It's a win win as far as I'm concerned. So
I'm delighted to see him pact.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yes, of course, that first eleven of bands was lifted
last year, and yeah, I agree with you. It felt
like he was at a low web. He had made
a terrible some terrible decisions and the punishment never quite
fitted the crime. I know that the Cricket Players Association
have done quite a bit of work rehabbing lou back
onto the back, onto the stage, and yeah, be great
(32:52):
to see him out there. Hopefully he loses his decks
like I remember he did when his pants came off
at Eden Park sliding to save the boundary. I think
it was absolutely since sational piece of fielding and speaking
of sensational cricketers. And when we come back, we're going
to acknowledge a bit of a legend from a day's
gone by, and he sadly passed away. We'll be back shortly.
Welcome back to the b YC. You're with Dylan Clever
(33:14):
and Paul Fordham DC. We've lost We've lost an important
cricketer in New Zealand, in New Zealand history.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, this week Havevale Brian Hale. Sorry, Brian Hastings. Kriko
wrote about him. Strongly built and prematurely baled, Brian Hastings
was a delightful timer of the ball, quick to take
any opportunity to cattle hook or to clip fast medium
bowling off his legs, A superb gully. He started with
Wellington at seventeen and was New Zealand's regular number four
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in the early nineteen seventies. A couple of things about that.
It's it's interesting to be One of the things you're
known for is being prematurely baled. And also it didn't
What it doesn't say there is that he might have
played for Wellington at seventeen, but he didn't play for
New Zealand until he was twenty eight. It took him
eleven years of first class cracket before he got selected.
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He was almost an overnight success once he got there.
Four Test tons at a time when New Zealanders didn't
score a lot of Test tons. He had a world
record stand with Richard Collins one hundred and fifty one
for the tenth wicket. Just apparently a terrific guy. He
made a vital. Actually his last year was quite interesting.
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He scored a ton against Australia at the Basin Reserve
in a Test match in which the Chapel Brothers scored hundreds,
and both innings of that Test it was drawn. They
went to christ Church. He scored a vital forty six
in the second innings of the first Test.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
New Zealand beat Australia. So that was ninety seventy.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Four christ Church and then after that his scores went
zero won thirteen zero zero eight one and he was gone.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
That was but yeah, really good player.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
He had a son, Mark who also tragically passed the
way a couple of years ago, who was a first
class cricketer. But yeah, a big name in the history
of New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yep. And I think he was if I have researched correctly,
pretty sure he was at put on a glorious partnership
with Glenn Turner for that news. That first ever Test
victory against Australia was ken Kenny Wadsworth. It the winning
runs that day, and there's a great yarn about Ian
spectator picking that ball up and the Australian player, Ian Redpath,
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tracking down the spectator and getting the ball, and then
he gave the ball to Brian Hastings. And then if
you're ever down in the Hagley Oval, that ball was
presented by the Hastings family to their collection. So if
you're ever down at the Hagley over over pavilion, have
a little exquisite that in a little nice touch there
from the from the Hastings family. But yeah, I hope
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his family are all doing okay. I guess we swing
from the so Bryant's, from the the Brian to the
ridiculous with this one. It might be time for a
little bit of violence corner. They said, Yeah, Paul Ford's
cricket violence corner. It's not too violent. I just I
just didn't, you know, after that last tight I just
didn't need it to be too violent. So it's just
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a weird one. And arrest warrant has been issued against
Oupul Taranga, the chairman of the selection committee of Sri
Lankan Cricket, after he failed to appear in court yesterday,
which sounds dodgy. The Matale High Court has issued the
warrant for the police to arrest him and produce him
before the court in connection to an ongoing match fixing
legal case which sounds dodgy based on a complaint initially
(36:33):
filed by him involving the Legends Cricket Trophy twenty twenty
four League tournament at Pallacali Stadium in Candy in March
twenty twenty four. He obviously just forgot to turn up
to court and the court is not very pleased with them.
The great thing is that he is currently in the
United States participating in a Master's Legends Franchise cricket tournament.
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So yes, an interesting one when the Chairman of Selectors
has neglected to turn up to pursue his case about
match fixing DC we had some who am I? Last week?
How did the punters get on? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Okay, so last week, but who am I?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Was? Noel McGregor, a dashing bat from Otago and congrats
to Simon Porter and Lockey Always Lockey who emailed him
with the correct dancers. But the real winner of the
week was Alex King, who wrote, kuit I believe this
week's who am I is New Zealand Cricketer of the
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Year nineteen sixty eight Noel McGregor. As an aside and
quite possibly the most boring correspondence to have ever been
sent of slowly collected photos of street signs across Tummocky
and a few outside to create an all New Zealand eleven. Regrettably,
there aren't too many Crovit Tory, Hadley, McCallum, Soudy or
Bolt streets in this part of the world. But he
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has sent a photo of signs of richardson a fleming
of others, and I just think there's absolutely magnificent Alex.
And Paul's actually done some research himself and has found
a for Tory drive, haven't you.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yes, I have. I was just trying to remember what
I think it was in Michigan.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
It was Wisconsin, I believe, right on the shores of
one of the great lakes there, and it led down
to a bay called Misery Bay, which I thought was
but harsh on Daniel, But anyway, I digress peak.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Peak peak nerdery from you, Alex King. We respect it
and we love it. And just a special shout out
to Locke who him and his dad always are bloody
good on these cricket trivia questions and your locky good
luck with the pre season. Hopefully your dad's got a
good wanger and you're shaping up magnificently for this for
(38:53):
an upcoming for upcoming success and the season. If you
guys are as good on the in the nets you
are with the cricketure via beat and for an exsolute
hunting of a season.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
I suspect I, suspect Lucky and his dad are going
to have no problems at all getting this one. You're
obviously not banned from answering, but you might not necessarily
necessarily be read out as.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
The winner anyway. Who am I?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
I wasn't ever present in on the wireless during the
golden years of sports roundup, chipping in on grounds as
far spread as Harryback Reserve, Seddon Park and Blake Park,
which was just across the Chaim Ice from my place
of birth. I played seven tests and might have been
a little unlucky that only two of them came in
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home conditions. After all, I'd love to see how you'd
have gone up against Baby Chandrashaker and Venkat at their peak.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
There is no bitterness. As an all rounder, my bowling probably.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Lacked penetration against the very best, though I might have
made it as a batter alone with a little bit
more patience from the selectors. I stayed with cricket once
my seventeen hour year first class career ended all for
one association. I moved into coaching and stayed in club cricket.
My last stint at the crease netted me forty odd
(40:11):
for Corory.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
But little did.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I know all my teammates that there was a ticking
time mom in my chest which exploded the following week
while jogging. You know, have a grim waiting in That really,
wasn't it. I really need to give myself a clip
around the years that because I don't.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Know I've got this correct. I'm pretty sure have he
born in the Thames Valley and I think went to
Saint Paul's Collegiate. I think that's correct. I'm seeing his
name on the wall at mild Schools, so you are correct.
Bit of allegid, bit of a legend.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, I just remember tuning in as I should make
that clear because I might have made him sound like
a commentator there initially, but I remembered the glory days
of sports round up traveling around in the holding Kingswood,
and he just always seemed to be featuring.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
As a player, not a commentator. So that is what
I meant by.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
That outstanding flickers an email if you know who that
is to b YC at Beaserigade dot co dot nz
or slide into the DMS of the Alternative Commentary Collective
or the bees Brigade on Instagram or Facebook and yeah
that some cricket trivia or just anything that might be
on your mind. I think that's us. Dylan Pleaver, thanks
(41:24):
for joining us this Speak's b y C podcast. We'll
go get Jason Hood out of his deep dark, despairing depression,
just back to life in time to preview the first
Test against India next week, which I'm sure we'll really
cheer them up. Yes, So if you've got anything to
get off your chest in the meantime, send us a
short die Tribe in the meantime from Dylan and I.
It's a martyr wis al kia kaha and take care
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out there.
Coomste alto Welcome to the BYC podcast, coming to you
from the Export Bear Garden studio in the midst of
a week that is the calm before the stormy, tremble
inducing proceedings that I fear will be the abiding memory
of the upcoming Black Cats tour India. This week we
reflect on the opening salvos of the Women's T twenty
World Cup in the UAE squirm about the squad for
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the Indian for a revel in England's battles overnight and
wash it all down with an acknowledgment of a fallen
cricketer and some cricket violence. I am Paul Ford, Godfather
of the Base Brigade. I am joined by Master of
the New Zealand Cricket Scoop, Dylan Clever, el Pleasi Dente
of the Southeast Asian Bound substate newsletter the Bounce DC.
(00:52):
Tough week watching the White firms get going and then
not get going in this World Cup.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, so positively didn't there.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And I think that's probably an appropriate place to start,
given the misery of last week that we thrust upon
our listeners. The White fans got off to a thumping
start in the UAE by beating India by fifty eight
runs in Dubai. Batting first, they scored one hundred and
sixty for four. Sophie Devine led the way with fifty
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seven not out of thirty six balls and ably assisted
by Georgia Plimer thirty four from twenty three, before wrapping
up India's innings for one hundred and two in the
nineteenth over, with Rosemary Mayor taking four for nineteen and
lea to who who three for fifteen. And I must
have met when I saw that result and watched the
way they played, I thought, have we been a bit
(01:42):
harsh on the White Ferns?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
After all?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
This incredible losing streak that been on has been against
Australia and England almost exclusively, right, So is it a
case of Australia in England being so far ahead of
the pack and then the White Fans not actually that
bad kind of leading the pack underneath? And I don't
know whether the second game provided any conclusive evidence of
(02:08):
that or the other way around. I'll throw that over
to you to get your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, it's an interesting point, Dylan. I think I think
that's right. I mean, obviously it's frustrating watching them lose
game after game after game, and obviously I mean surely
debilitating for the team for morale and all of those
sorts of things. But you would expect that given the
number of games they've played, that they are, you know,
getting exercised against the best of the best, and that's
surely got to pay some dividends. And if it's paying
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some dividends against some of the lesser teams during this
two twenty World Cup, I'm all for it. So yeah, look,
I think you're right. It does feel like, you know,
England and Australia are kind of miles ahead of everybody else,
and it's it's a real much of a muchness in
terms of the rest. You know, I had a quick
or even just the odds. You know, it's Australia playing
a dollars fifty dollars sixty something like that, England are
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about four bucks, and then you know India on nine
in New Zealand on fifteen. It's definitely, yeah, the top
to it and then the rest. The other thing. When
I'm watching you know, you know that game, that second game,
I think some of the verbs that I could just
see in the media headlines were bulldozed, crushed and thumped.
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You know, we just should be not expecting us to
beat Australia based on current form. I mean, we've just
been through it so many times. And I was going
to come blazing in with a massively compelling point about
how we've lost to Australia forever, but our overall record
in T twenties against them is actually surprisingly even. So
fifty two games played, we've actually won twenty one of
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those games, twenty nine losses of time and no results,
so we went about forty percent of the time. But
in our defense, it hasn't been for a while. We've
only won four of the last eighteen, so it's down
around twenty percent going back the last seven years or so,
it feels like things have changed. Signify.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, there's a couple of points to expand on there,
and that is T twenty should be the game where
as long as you've got a few talented players, you
should be able to sneak the odd game. So I
think that's what the really concerning thing is that every
time we go up against England and Australia now the
only games we ever seem to win our dead rubbers,
the ones tacked on to the end of series that
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England have already won. So there is a little bit
of a I guess if it's a mental block or
just a skills block, but you should not lose that
often to them. And also it's one thing to go
into a game against Australia not expecting to win. It's
another thing to be thumped by sixty runs and a
t twenty. And just to go through the short scoreboard
(04:41):
from this morning's shocker, Australia batting first one four eight
for eight.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
This was at Shajai as well, by the way, with Kerr.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Taking four for twenty six and then in reply and
the White fans replied with eighty eight all out in
the twentieth over no betting to highlight there. Really it's
a calamitus loss, quite honestly, and it's highlighted by the
fact that New Zealand's top seven all scored at a
strike rate of less than one hundred. And you just
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can't do that. I mean, I know you can kind
of get on a negative role in these games, but
someone has actually got to have the bravery to go
out there and say right, I'm one, four eight for
eight against this Australian attack, which is pretty relentless.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's tough to do, but I'm just going to take
it to them.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I'm going to be the one that it might fail spectacularly,
but I'm not going to fart around for fifteen balls,
scoring seven and then throw my wicket away.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
But it just feels like but all looking at someone
else to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, Yeah, that's right, that's right, you know, I suppose Yeah,
I mean I haven't. I didn't watch enough of it
to know whether that intent was there, But purely on
the scoring r rates alone, you can you can read
a lot into it, can't you. It's it's just feels
like a groundhog day in these sorts of matches, and
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you just know, you just know. I mean to be fair,
you know we have mentioned this before, but the Australians
are extraordinary, right, I mean they've what are they? They
beat England in the warm up game I think by
thirty or forty runs, and I think that this is
the only for their fourth consecutive title in this tournament.
So yeah, I think we're allowed one free hit.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, and England with them at the start. When I
see England and Australia are ahead of the rest. Really
it is to all intents and purposes at one horse race,
you know, it's almost like Australia have to beat themselves.
They're relentless. Their talent is amazing. If Beth Mooney doesn't
get you, and Alssa Heady will get you, or Elease
Perry will get your. Italian McGrath by Annabelle Sutherland, you
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know the spin bowling options. They go to Sophie Molinu
who is out injured for a year and comes back
and there's unplayable almost from the start. So just a
very very very good team.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yes, and so maybe we need to reset our aspirations.
Sure winning would be lovely, making the final would be outstanding,
but maybe a semi final booth. Realistically, as far as
this White Fans team can really be expected to go,
give them the current state of the woman's game and
where we sit in those rankings, I.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Think you take that as a win, I really do. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Well, speaking of what we might take for a one DC,
maybe when we come back, we'll have a quick yarn
and maybe a long yarn actually about how this Indian
series is shaping up. Some pretty interesting news out earlier today.
Welcome back to the b YC. It's Paul Forlhan, Dylon
Cleaver come into your life from the Export Beer Garden
Studio and Dylan Interesting times. The black Caps squad has
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been named. Maybe we can get into that. But some
horrendous news came. Williamson out with growing discomfort.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, it's awfully ambiguous, that isn't it.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
We've all had a bit of growing discomfort from time
to time, but it's not good.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
In fact, it's really really bad.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I think I might have sent on the BYC chat
last night a little graphic that popped up during the
Pakistan England game that showed the best players of spin
in the world since COVID isolation, essentially, and they were
four subcontinent players texting my brain here, but I know
Dennis Chandemar was in there, the New Shoe Lenkan Sensation,
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Comindu Mendus was in there. Shaquille Sword Shaquille was in there. Yeah, yeah,
the New Indian Sensation was in there.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
And then.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Little Old New Zealand came Williamson averaging seventy two against spin,
so clearly our most qualified player to go over there
and at least take the fight to revenge Jadasia rav Ashwyn.
But yeah, and it wasn't even certain. It wasn't black
and white that press release either. Whether he's going to
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be the hoping he can come back later in the series.
I'm not sure if the hoping he can even be
fit enough to get over there and into the first Test.
I couldn't quite work out in my mind what they're
trying to say there. But he has been replaced by
Mark Chapman, which I didn't see coming actually, and this
is Sam Wells talking about that, he said. Chapman featured
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in three of the Aces Punket Shield pictures last summer,
notching two hundred and forty five runs at an average
of forty, including one two three against the Vaults in
DNED in February. Well said Chapman possessed the right skill
set test cricket and the subcontinent.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
We believe Mark is one.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Of our best players, has spin and has a proven
track record in the Subcontinent, said Wells. Mark has displayed
an ability to play spin proactively in the international arena
and combined with his excellent first class record, we see
we see him as someone who can succeed and the
type of conditions we expect to encounter into India, which
I sort of had a sad dunic reply that, Yep,
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a century against Otago and Dunedin is all the evidence
you need that he's going to succeed in benglu U
against the Spindins of India.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well, yeah, yeah, it does seem like a bit of
a strange rue. I mean, I haven't had too long
to obviously kind of digest it. My first point when
that I thought when came Williamson was down with his
grundous comfort, was that he's going to have saw balls
and he's going to be watching this testament. Should probably
get saw eyeball so that soon we can get him
over there, obviously the better. But yeah, look, I think
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the thing with the thing with Chapman and this is
the thing that annoys me in some of these releases,
the thing about the proven trackcord and you picked up
on one point, but it also talks about him, you know,
having an excellent record on the subcontinent. He averages seventeen
and eighteen for t twenties and fifty over games in India.
So I mean it's not a hugely compelling, not that season.
(11:03):
It's not it's not that excellent, it's not that proven
well proven to be not that good. I guess. I
guess it's proven in one sense. Look, I've got nothing
against Mark Chapman, and you know, I think he's a
really good player. The other thing that also but the
other thing that also sticks in my craw, I guess
what if I was one of the other guys in
and around him, is that he he was twentieth in
the batting averages for the Planket Shield, admittedly off a
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small stample size of innings. But I guess that's my point.
You've got these guys that are going out, you know,
day and day out playing you know, eight Plunket Shield games.
You know, guys like cut Joe Carter, even Henry Nichols
I think played at ten innings. I think in the
Planket Shield, Mitch a, Tom Bruce, Greg hay Dale, Phillips,
Gareth Severin, that Kelly. These are all guys that are
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ahead of Mark Chapman on recent format and have played
a lot of first class games in New Zealand, which,
to your point, is that actually very useful when you're
going to go play Oh my god, Boomer and Judasia
and ash and so on. But yeah, there's an there's
an interesting thing in here around you know, what are
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we doing? What are we doing with these with these selections,
it feels like a bit of a nod to the
today's gone by. And you know, I had a quick
look at that bowling line up when he scored the
century against India, a which sounds great, you know, the
bowling line it was Saraj fair enough, poor ale warrior,
Shankha Nadem, the Hari and Agawil two overs. So chalk
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and cheese, chalk.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
And cheese, absolutely, And that was the first thing I
thought of when I saw that Chapman had being brought
And again I think Chapman's a nice player. I think
he's flattered to deceive a little bit at the top level,
but still a nice player. But my immediate thought was,
how does Henry Nichols feel about that? How does Tom
Bruce feel about that? Tom Bruce has just done nothing
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but score runs for season upon season upon season. I
think he even might have gone to India on that
a tour as well. Maybe he didn't do as well
as Chapman on it, but it just feels like, I
don't know, I think you put it perfectly actually that
what are they doing? And well, I can tell you
what they're doing in terms of the full squad, which
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is Lathan captain, which will get you soon, Blundle. We
could keep a Bracewall was going over but for the
first Test only. Then he leaves for the birth of child.
He will be replaced by is Sody for the second
and third Test. Chapman has discussed Conway, Henry, Mitchell, O'Rourke, Patel, Phillips, Revenger, Santna, Sears, Southy, Williamson,
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if and when and Young. We've kind of mentioned what
we may have done differently. I may have gone in
a different direction to replace Williamson or to cover Williamson.
But do we assume now that Young goes into that
number three spot for the first Test studying in Benglaru
if Williamson as we expecse and.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Get there, Yeah, DC, I reckon that's exactly right. First
Test starts next Friday, five pm. I believe the first
ball is going to be thundered down by either O'Rourke,
Isume or Boomera. But yeah, I think that's right. So
I guess all of this, you know, wailing and mashing
of teeth about the Chapman thing is probably neither here
nor there. It seems very unlikely to play. Surely to god,
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will Young slots into that that number three, the other
the other thing. And maybe I'm reading too much into it,
but it does seem that if Michael Bracey was unavailable
for two thirds of the of the tour, you know,
are they taking him away and definitely going to play
him in that firstest? Otherwise sort of seems a bit
weird if they're not going to play him. So I
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did wonder whether he would would slot into to that
eleven in place of Mitchell Sentner, and then surely I
think Matt Henry would come in for Tim Southy, and
you know what's obviously I think our Rourke should be
in there. It's not not really my point, but if
he was tired, I feel like there's going to be
some management of him with with Ben Sears. Possibly not
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for this first test.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Though, yeap.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
So I mean you raised that point to south The
obviously made the call or it was made for him.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It doesn't really matter which way around it was.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
We just have to take it at first face value
that he made the call to step aside from Captain
c to concentrate on his bowling. Again, that was immediately
by in chat rooms around the country on radio stations
with the thought that what he shouldn't go to India,
he's out of form. Should he stay back in New Zealand,
get a good pre season under his belt and then
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concentrate on those India tests. They've obviously decided that, note
they need his experience over there in India.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Good cool, poor cal and different call. How would you
see that one?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well? I think, yeah, I wondered whether he was going
to step aside for this tour basically stand himself down.
But I'm actually quite pleased to see that he's going
to go. I'm sure, particularly with the injury to Williamson,
it will actually be fantastic. I think for Tom Lathan
to have an experienced sounding board like him in the squad.
I do worry about how he's going to go if
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he's not on the eleven though. Yeah, well no, apparently
we know he hates not playing fair enough to he.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Does hate playing, But from what I've told other people
have dropped their lips more than tim that he's actually
really quite good around the team.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
When he's not playing.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
There might have been one occasion in Sydney where he
was possibly a little bit unhappier than he has been
in the past, But my understanding is that he's actually
a bloody good person to have around, keeping everyone loose,
taking the piss out of everyone, which is kind of
his sense of humor is to chop other people down
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to size. Look a couple of just one other talking
point I've got is, as we mentioned ad nauseum last week,
we're not in a great time for New Zealand for
this test squad and it's you know where it's at
right at the moment on its development arc. Is this
a big tour for any particular players? Do you think
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I've marked down here Tom Blundell, Blundell who who bad
it all right in Sri Lanka? In fact, look very positive.
But there's a guy that i've here they got big
wraps on in Canterbury. Mitch Hay is kind of waiting
in the wings. Would you see this is a particularly
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big tour for Tom and anyone else you would throw
into that mix.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yep. Look, I think I think it's a good I
think it's a good call. I think Blundle definitely in
need of of some runs and a good performance with
the gloves pretty ropey in that Sri Lank contest series.
So yes, I think he's definitely got a point to prove.
I think Conway, it's a big, big series for him.
Is he? Dare I say, you know, is he sort
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of approaching the the end of his the You know,
I didn't want to say it, to be honest, you know,
is he is? He? It is closer to the end
in the start, it's like there hasn't been that long
and so yeah, but worried about a bit worried about him.
I hope he has a fantastic series over there.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
So I didn't have any weight on that second innings
in Srilanka because it was such loose steak situation, but
I did kind of I did feel that that was
maybe a little bit cathartic for him on an individual level,
getting some runs in that second innings.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, And I think two others to mention, actually one
I thinks Phillips. Now, I don't mean that Phillips is
in any danger of being sort of left out, but
I feel like if he can do some good good
a great job as the spinning all round her, you
know in India, that will be a huge, huge confidence
boost for him and that will mean that he's really
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starting to carve that role out for himself. So yeah, look,
I think, yeah, those guys are the ones that kind
of stick in my head. Satna too is the other
one that is he going to get anotherpportunity or is
he is he falling down the pecking order a wee bit.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, again, he kind of had a nice enough second
Test in Sri Lanka and it makes the carnage to
need to make you.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
But again that's the frustration with Satna, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
You can see the talents there and it just very
it doesn't seem to manifest itself in red bull cricket
like it does in white ball cricket. Another name I
would throw into there is as well Young if he
does get this opportunity with Caine's injury, a little bit
like Satna in fact, and that you look at him
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and you say, there is a cricketer like he's got
every shot, but it just hasn't for whatever reason, probably
because of the inconsistency of selection, the inconsistency where he
bats in the order it just hasn't happened for him yet.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
So I feel that this is a big tour for
him if he gets the opportunity to play.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah yeah, one one quick point before we before we
move on, But I noted that the squad is departing
for India. I think this Friday, ahead of that first
Test in a week's time, a week or so, it's time.
But I noted that Darryl Mitchell was not with the team.
He's actually been training over in the nets in Dubai
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and I was curious about this, and he's been training
at the Rajasthan Royals Academy. And you know, I just
followed the thread through. So the guy that he's being
coached by has a guy called Sidler Harry who was
part of the he's a batting coach for the Rajasthan Royals.
But gee, it's just it was a real reminder to
me of the infrastructure that sits around some of these
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IBL teams. So they've got three cricket academies, one in
Surrey at Reed's School. That'll be thirty thou pounds a
year for your school feast, thank you, mister Cleaver. And
alongside that they've just opened an academy in New Jersey
in the States, and then this one in Dubai. Yeah,
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pretty extraordinary. How significant these IPL teams and what they've
built up around their franchises.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I believe a former New Zealand Test cricketer may have
been the head groundsman at Reads for a while former
Auckland sometime we could keep him middle lord of Batsman.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Called Peter Webb.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well there you go.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well, I may have that wrong. I might have to
dig into my into the internet to see if that's true.
And I've just got a sneaking suspicion that's where he was. Hey,
we've got a bit of correspondence from Chris p following
on from last week's Miserable podcasts. So it's quite long,
but bear with us because I think he makes a
(21:38):
number of good points. Cura to the BYC team. I
felt compelled to get in touch as your most recent
pod seems so downbeat guilty. I guess this is appropriate
as we head across to and inevitably get threshed by India.
This tour will prove our decline from the heavy heights
of World Test champions status in twenty twenty one is complete.
(22:00):
Those Halcyon days when we knew how to win, it
seemed inevitable that Jamison would take out the Indian top
Water if Wagner, Bolt and Sow.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
They didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Instead, Taylor and Williamson's an exorable march towards the title
seemed easy.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Oh how lucky we were.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
There are calls to change the team, to add some
life into the dying black cat species. However, it is
difficult to find clear visions for what our future could
look like. So I sat down and took a stock
tape of our cricketing talent, and here is my black
Cat squad for the summer. Latham Captain, Conway, Williamson, Ravender
and Mitchell Phillips, Mitchell Hey, Nathan Smith, Henry Jamison O'Rourke
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with reserves, Sow, these sears, Blundle and Young. I'm getting
exhausted now, Paul, would you like to take a take
over from here?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Sure? Sure, Chris p continues, this balance is maintaining stability
with introducing youth and keeping under performing players accountable. We
don't currently have better alternatives to our top five. Will
Young is the best and has been tried and failed.
Mia Bass isn't quite ready, nora Is Robinson, Tim Phillips
should be moved up to six nurtured as our lead spinner.
(23:07):
He's passionate about spin bowling and could be a world
class all rounder if he plays his one. His results
have been good he has a long future. Blundle should
be replaced by Mitch a who has a great first
class record and deserves a shot. This introduces root youth
and keeps Blundle sharp and under performing players can be
given the message that they are replaceable. Our bowlers need
an injection of youth and speed. Smith promising as an
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all rounder who can bowl with the new ball. Henry's
our best and Jamison should come straight back in when ready.
O'Rourke a true number eleven in the vein of Chris
Martin and has proved himself as the future for our
bowling lineup. However, we need to ensure he is an
over bowled and injured So four quicks it is. I
think the key change is that Stead should go along
with Aurum, Ronkey and Foster Brutal. We need a coach
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d Yeah, we need a coaching overhaul and we should
try our best to recruit some of our homegrowning international
talent who have proven records. We've produced Bears, Flea and
Bond for Tory, Bradburn and even Hessen might be worth
trying to will again. Now his kids are a bit older,
he may have more time to recommit to the team.
All the coaches have proven records and homes in New Zealand.
(24:14):
We need to reset the culture and re establish our standards,
and then it kind of goes a little bit wild
and crazy. How about we transition Saldi and Williamson into
coaching Wattling for fielding. We could see whether those established
coaches could provide mentoring. We might even get Victoria to
provide some mentoring for Ageaz, who could be hired to
coach our spinners.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Pointer.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Something needs to change. We need to think about resources
we have, how to utilize them, and how to maintain accountability,
or will gradually embarrass ourselves until we start looking like
the drunk uncle at the wedding, boasting about the good
old days while everyone laughs at our deteriorating dance moves,
until we comba out in a small puddle of our
own urine. We're better than that, surely. Cheers for your
work and chin up. Remember it could be worse. Davy
(24:54):
Dumdum has retired. Thank you, Chris p massively long but
buddy interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, yeah, I thirty buried the lead.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
As I mentioned, the key change he'd have is in
the coaching look. I thought one of his lines there
that I've really latched onto is the one about keeping
players sharp and underperforming players can be given the message
that they are replaceable. This has become the bug beer
(25:22):
for me. New Zealand's success was built on stability and
consistency of selection, but they've not just taken it to
the nth degree, they've stretched it out to it's no
longer effective. I believe there's no jeopardy for those guys now.
They fail without any accountability. I know that's a really
harsh way of putting out. They're not trying to fail.
They still good players. But I do think that's a
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really important that we get some kind of jeopardy back
into that selection model, because it's just not there at
the moment.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
It's a very very interesting, it's a very interesting tech. Yeah.
I think the other piece around this is that you know,
would be fantastic to have McCullum and Fleming and Vitry
and you know, all of those guys involved, the economics
of that are just so so so problematic.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
They are not done.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And yeah, look maybe down the track when they've kind
of got nothing else better to do in a second,
flying first class all around the world to coach a
few people who are still going to be competing with
probably doing stuff by a zoom that's paying more than
doing it in real life. For the New Zealand, it's
a really really difficult one. We're really relying on their
good will rather than them and then sacrificing a hell
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of a lot of their you know, now some economic
value and all of that kind of stuff. So look,
I think it's it would be nice, but it's it's
it doesn't feel particularly realistic. But lots of lots of
bloody good thoughts in there. And yeah, a couple of
interesting names. Nathan Smith is a is a really interesting one.
I've seen him play a lot. I think he's a
(26:53):
real contender. And yeah, Mitchell Hay haven't seen him play
too much, but definitely one to keep an eye on
over the over the Mystic summer. Hey, DC, I don't
know if you've caught much of the Pakistan versus England
game overnight. I love the last couple of days. Oh,
good work, good work, and I had to do a
bit of foss king to find out the best way
to watch that. A couple of things that caught my eye.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
One was I don't know if you saw it, it
was quite a well first of all, I should go
to the school cud Pakistan five hundred and fifty six, massive,
massive score and then England in reply ninety six for
one absolute mayhem at the end of the.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Game last night. All sorts of carnage, drop catchers and
all sorts of stuff, hand injuries to Ben dug it.
But there was I don't know if you've seen. There's
quite an interesting interview between Mike Atherton and Brendan McCullum
about where the bowling mentor is. Of course, the bowling
mentor is James Anderson, who is playing golf in Scotland
and the Alfred Dunhill Links Championship, and he's done quite
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well and made the cut, so he's decided to stay
on because he's really pleased with his form and didn't
make it to the Test match in time, which was
quite unusual. Mike Everton, as you would expect quite annoyed,
quite genuinely annoyed, and Britta McCullum could not have cared less.
It was quite extraordinary, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
That whole role sounds just like a sinecure, right, It
sounds like, Okay, I know you don't want to retire
just yet, but we need you to retire to bring
some youth through.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
But here's what we're going to do for you.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
You can have the title of bowling mentor and basically
come along for the ride. So I'm sure Bears is
not really missing a hell of a lot by Jimmy
Anderson making the cut of the Alfred Dunhill links and.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
It was it was a little bit like what we
just talked about in relation to, you know, those New
Zealand Stars, Stars of Days gone by. McCullum was a
very matter of fact. He said, we'll take whatever we
can get from Jimmy. We're just really stuck that he's
going to be joining us at all. He doesn't have
to be coming here. He could be sitting at home
with his family. That's the point, right, So yeah, yeah,
(28:53):
interesting one, interesting one to keep an eye looks like
a bit of a road over there.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
So the easiest place to watch that for listeners is
just go to YouTube and put in England versus Pakistan.
It comes up almost immediately. It'll have a chat along
the side of it. You just push the cross, get
rid of the chat and you've just got full screen
chess cricket live streaming through YouTube and as far as
I can see, it's not illegal.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
No one else, no one else is streaming it.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
So and you know, if you need a New Zealand
reason to tune in. Chris Kaffney is standing in that
match and he had a well, no, he's not actually
up on the TV in the box, isn't it? Yeah,
tv umpire and he had an interesting decision to make
last night. When was it? Selman came down and pounded
Jack Leech out to the fence and Chris Workes took
(29:39):
a screamer of a catch one hundred and seventeenth over
I think it was he sort of pedaled backwards, took
the catch and then threw the ball in the air
and stepped back onto the boundary rope. I think the
batsman started walking off and then it got reviewed to
death and the decision was made that that he had
touched the ball and his foot was on the round
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outside the playing oval, so so close and look.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I watched it a number of times and it was
one of those occasions that, no matter how good technology is,
that just wasn't quite enough frames per second. I think
he probably caught it. I think he probably did lift
that foot just in time, but that frame wasn't captured,
so you could only go back one and more and
his foot was still on the ground and it looked
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like the ball was about to enter his hands. So
I think Gaffney did the only thing he could do.
Probably been curse being put in that position. I think
he was on nineteen at the time. That took him
to twenty five when they awarded him the six, and
he ended up with one hundred, so it was costly,
you know, if.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
You're playing that. So say that that exact situation happens
in its club cricket? What happens in that because obviously
no one's filmed it. Do you reckon on? Would it
come down to just an argument between the captains and
whoever the most alpha captain, the most alpha captain would win.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You usually take the fielder's word for it, but that's
a little bit different because it would have been on
the boundary in club cricket, right in front of the
batting team who were sitting there, so they would have
been yelling out sex, sex, sex, and the fielder would
have been going no, no, I caught it. So it
ended up with a cricket violence corner scenario probably.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Oh nice.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Another thing that caught my eye this week, just quickly,
just a quick, just a quick acknowledgment of this was
Louis Vincent I see is going to be turning out
in the black clash next over the seat over the summer,
which is which is awesome. You know, I don't know
how you feel about this. DC keem to get your thoughts,
and he's obviously I think, played a little bit for
the cent cricket club. But it does feel like the
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redemption arc for lou Is fully complete with him coming
back onto that quasi international scene.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh look, I'm bloody please for him. He did an
unbelievably stupid thing. How he got to that point in
his life is tragic, and you know, the circumstances around
it were tragic, but can't alter the fact that he
made some choices that were.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Just beyond stupid.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
He paid a massive penalty for that, but the eleven
life bands was ridiculous and we're at a good place
now where he can do a lot of good for cricket.
Cricket can do a hell a lot of good for him.
It's a win win as far as I'm concerned. So
I'm delighted to see him pact.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yes, of course, that first eleven of bands was lifted
last year, and yeah, I agree with you. It felt
like he was at a low web. He had made
a terrible some terrible decisions and the punishment never quite
fitted the crime. I know that the Cricket Players Association
have done quite a bit of work rehabbing lou back
onto the back, onto the stage, and yeah, be great
(32:52):
to see him out there. Hopefully he loses his decks
like I remember he did when his pants came off
at Eden Park sliding to save the boundary. I think
it was absolutely since sational piece of fielding and speaking
of sensational cricketers. And when we come back, we're going
to acknowledge a bit of a legend from a day's
gone by, and he sadly passed away. We'll be back shortly.
Welcome back to the b YC. You're with Dylan Clever
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and Paul Fordham DC. We've lost We've lost an important
cricketer in New Zealand, in New Zealand history.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, this week Havevale Brian Hale. Sorry, Brian Hastings. Kriko
wrote about him. Strongly built and prematurely baled, Brian Hastings
was a delightful timer of the ball, quick to take
any opportunity to cattle hook or to clip fast medium
bowling off his legs, A superb gully. He started with
Wellington at seventeen and was New Zealand's regular number four
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in the early nineteen seventies. A couple of things about that.
It's it's interesting to be One of the things you're
known for is being prematurely baled. And also it didn't
What it doesn't say there is that he might have
played for Wellington at seventeen, but he didn't play for
New Zealand until he was twenty eight. It took him
eleven years of first class cracket before he got selected.
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He was almost an overnight success once he got there.
Four Test tons at a time when New Zealanders didn't
score a lot of Test tons. He had a world
record stand with Richard Collins one hundred and fifty one
for the tenth wicket. Just apparently a terrific guy. He
made a vital. Actually his last year was quite interesting.
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He scored a ton against Australia at the Basin Reserve
in a Test match in which the Chapel Brothers scored hundreds,
and both innings of that Test it was drawn. They
went to christ Church. He scored a vital forty six
in the second innings of the first Test.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
New Zealand beat Australia. So that was ninety seventy.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Four christ Church and then after that his scores went
zero won thirteen zero zero eight one and he was gone.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
That was but yeah, really good player.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
He had a son, Mark who also tragically passed the
way a couple of years ago, who was a first
class cricketer. But yeah, a big name in the history
of New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yep. And I think he was if I have researched correctly,
pretty sure he was at put on a glorious partnership
with Glenn Turner for that news. That first ever Test
victory against Australia was ken Kenny Wadsworth. It the winning
runs that day, and there's a great yarn about Ian
spectator picking that ball up and the Australian player, Ian Redpath,
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tracking down the spectator and getting the ball, and then
he gave the ball to Brian Hastings. And then if
you're ever down in the Hagley Oval, that ball was
presented by the Hastings family to their collection. So if
you're ever down at the Hagley over over pavilion, have
a little exquisite that in a little nice touch there
from the from the Hastings family. But yeah, I hope
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his family are all doing okay. I guess we swing
from the so Bryant's, from the the Brian to the
ridiculous with this one. It might be time for a
little bit of violence corner. They said, Yeah, Paul Ford's
cricket violence corner. It's not too violent. I just I
just didn't, you know, after that last tight I just
didn't need it to be too violent. So it's just
(36:11):
a weird one. And arrest warrant has been issued against
Oupul Taranga, the chairman of the selection committee of Sri
Lankan Cricket, after he failed to appear in court yesterday,
which sounds dodgy. The Matale High Court has issued the
warrant for the police to arrest him and produce him
before the court in connection to an ongoing match fixing
legal case which sounds dodgy based on a complaint initially
(36:33):
filed by him involving the Legends Cricket Trophy twenty twenty
four League tournament at Pallacali Stadium in Candy in March
twenty twenty four. He obviously just forgot to turn up
to court and the court is not very pleased with them.
The great thing is that he is currently in the
United States participating in a Master's Legends Franchise cricket tournament.
(36:55):
So yes, an interesting one when the Chairman of Selectors
has neglected to turn up to pursue his case about
match fixing DC we had some who am I? Last week?
How did the punters get on? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Okay, so last week, but who am I?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Was? Noel McGregor, a dashing bat from Otago and congrats
to Simon Porter and Lockey Always Lockey who emailed him
with the correct dancers. But the real winner of the
week was Alex King, who wrote, kuit I believe this
week's who am I is New Zealand Cricketer of the
(37:35):
Year nineteen sixty eight Noel McGregor. As an aside and
quite possibly the most boring correspondence to have ever been
sent of slowly collected photos of street signs across Tummocky
and a few outside to create an all New Zealand eleven. Regrettably,
there aren't too many Crovit Tory, Hadley, McCallum, Soudy or
Bolt streets in this part of the world. But he
(37:57):
has sent a photo of signs of richardson a fleming
of others, and I just think there's absolutely magnificent Alex.
And Paul's actually done some research himself and has found
a for Tory drive, haven't you.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yes, I have. I was just trying to remember what
I think it was in Michigan.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
It was Wisconsin, I believe, right on the shores of
one of the great lakes there, and it led down
to a bay called Misery Bay, which I thought was
but harsh on Daniel, But anyway, I digress peak.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Peak peak nerdery from you, Alex King. We respect it
and we love it. And just a special shout out
to Locke who him and his dad always are bloody
good on these cricket trivia questions and your locky good
luck with the pre season. Hopefully your dad's got a
good wanger and you're shaping up magnificently for this for
(38:53):
an upcoming for upcoming success and the season. If you
guys are as good on the in the nets you
are with the cricketure via beat and for an exsolute
hunting of a season.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
I suspect I, suspect Lucky and his dad are going
to have no problems at all getting this one. You're
obviously not banned from answering, but you might not necessarily
necessarily be read out as.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
The winner anyway. Who am I?
Speaker 3 (39:15):
I wasn't ever present in on the wireless during the
golden years of sports roundup, chipping in on grounds as
far spread as Harryback Reserve, Seddon Park and Blake Park,
which was just across the Chaim Ice from my place
of birth. I played seven tests and might have been
a little unlucky that only two of them came in
(39:37):
home conditions. After all, I'd love to see how you'd
have gone up against Baby Chandrashaker and Venkat at their peak.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
There is no bitterness. As an all rounder, my bowling probably.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Lacked penetration against the very best, though I might have
made it as a batter alone with a little bit
more patience from the selectors. I stayed with cricket once
my seventeen hour year first class career ended all for
one association. I moved into coaching and stayed in club cricket.
My last stint at the crease netted me forty odd
(40:11):
for Corory.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
But little did.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I know all my teammates that there was a ticking
time mom in my chest which exploded the following week
while jogging. You know, have a grim waiting in That really,
wasn't it. I really need to give myself a clip
around the years that because I don't.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Know I've got this correct. I'm pretty sure have he
born in the Thames Valley and I think went to
Saint Paul's Collegiate. I think that's correct. I'm seeing his
name on the wall at mild Schools, so you are correct.
Bit of allegid, bit of a legend.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, I just remember tuning in as I should make
that clear because I might have made him sound like
a commentator there initially, but I remembered the glory days
of sports round up traveling around in the holding Kingswood,
and he just always seemed to be featuring.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
As a player, not a commentator. So that is what
I meant by.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
That outstanding flickers an email if you know who that
is to b YC at Beaserigade dot co dot nz
or slide into the DMS of the Alternative Commentary Collective
or the bees Brigade on Instagram or Facebook and yeah
that some cricket trivia or just anything that might be
on your mind. I think that's us. Dylan Pleaver, thanks
(41:24):
for joining us this Speak's b y C podcast. We'll
go get Jason Hood out of his deep dark, despairing depression,
just back to life in time to preview the first
Test against India next week, which I'm sure we'll really
cheer them up. Yes, So if you've got anything to
get off your chest in the meantime, send us a
short die Tribe in the meantime from Dylan and I.
It's a martyr wis al kia kaha and take care
(41:47):
out there.
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