November 14, 2025 • 40 mins
Jamie talks to Andrew Hoggard and Grant McCallum, Dr Jacqueline Rowarth, Damien O'Connor, Farmer Tom Martin, and Richard Loe.
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it off with our Farmer Politician panel, Andrew Hoggard and
Grant McCullum. Earlier in the week, we had discussions about
all sorts of things, including whether we will have to
buy carbon credits to meet our twenty thirty Paris commitments.
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We had a look at Asian hornets and paid tribute
to the late Roger McLay. Todd mcclay's father who's our
current Minister of Agriculture and Trade, doctor JAQUILLN Rowe with
a regular on the show, leading primary sector academic. On
Armistice Day, we talked about why we needed to be
investing in pasture, the fundamental enabler of our productive economy.
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Damian O'Connor, this is Survivor and I are the tiger
from the Rocky movie. The gloves always come on off
when Damien's on the show. So we talked about the
FTA with India, the Pike River movie which didn't feature him. Interestingly,
and we're the backbench list. MPs such as him are
a complete waste of space and money. Tom Martin's, our
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UK farming correspondent, caught up with him on Armistice Day
in of all places, Turkey. How ironic is that? And
I spent Thursday and Friday at the Royal or the
Canterbury Royal Amp show was a cracker. Thursday a miserable day.
Friday was a butte and they had huge crowds there.
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One man who was there was Richard Lowe, former All
blax Hardman. He was the supreme livestock judge believe it
or not. At the show. Plus we previewed tomorrow's crucial
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Today's Farmer Panel. Let's welcome them on to the show.
Manuatu Colcocky also Minister of Biosecurity. I think yes he
is an Associate ag Minister. Yes, thank you Andrew Hoggard
and Grant McCullum. I'm not quite sure how I describe
you Northland MP. What the hell are you going to
be doing later this week down at the church Amp show.
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That's not in your patch.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
No, it's not in my petch. But this is part
of the deal being part of the team, the rural team,
for the Rural Nets for National is to go along
to the shows and true the fat with the cocky
is and hear what their concerns are.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Hang on, Grant, what value are we the taxpayers getting
out of flying you from Northland or Auckland down to
christ Church for the day because.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
The farmers loved my company? Didn't you realize that? I mean,
that's what it is, of course, none all seriousness. It's
about representation. We all have our different communities we align
with and being a farmer I love to get out
and understand how the farmers are going in the South
Island and just remind them all actually that the oldest
day m P show is not the Canterbury it's the
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Bay of Islands, which I was had on Saturday, so
you know we're where one get ahead of Canterbury.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And they tell me it's a cracker of an amp
show as well. Mind you Andrew Hoggart, if you turned up,
you've got a bit of ministerial gravitas, so we wouldn't
mind that as much.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Unfortunately, this year got to be over in Melbourne for
the Food Minister's meeting, so I was booked down to
go to the cross Church show, but then the Ausies
had to reorganize everything and decided to have the Minister's
meeting later. So if New Zealand wants a vote, the
only way New Zealand gets the voters if I show up.
So I'm going to go do my job. Unfortunately, check on.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Your dairy farmer. Hats the pair of you and I'll
stay with you, Andrew and mana or Two's how's the
season treating you?
Speaker 5 (04:28):
It looks pretty reasonable at the moment, And got the
solid j off on the weekend and yeah, so I
think things are taken along or right at the moment. Actually,
so you'll.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Take that as a as a positive grant. What about
in Northland?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Oh you know, I we're taking you on okay, and
we actually got our silade off on Friday Saturday as well,
and as soon as we finished and cover the stack,
it rains. Don't you love it when that happens. It's
almost like who was meant to be?
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Now?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Both of you have been through weather extremes Grant in
your case obviously a couple of years ago, what's nearly
three years cyclone Gabrielle and Andrew in the Manawa two region,
And I always remember the late Alistair Polson talking about
the damage and did on his farm, a former president
of Federated Farmers. You had those horrendous floods of two
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thousand and four and the lessons learnt from those stick
with you for life.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Yeah, definitely, And for me it was you just can't
underestimate the value of the having back up power supply
on the farm and also back up solutions for communications.
So you know, one of the things I've got now
is you know, wireless internet provider, So I can have
a small generator that powers up the dish and I
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can still have connectivity with the rest of the world
through wireless internet, and you know, we had a generator
back then to run the care shed and that kept
us going. You know. She was pretty stressful times, but
at least been able to milk the cows. That was
one less burden off. So, you know, ever since, it's
sort of something I've always remembered of what could go
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wrong and how can I manage if it does go wrong,
and always saving a plan on the back of my mind,
you know. And I think with most of these weather events,
the main thing that's going to happen as we lose power.
We're just in such a small, a long drawn out
country where so many things can go wrong. Our power
supply is just uniquely vulnerable here in New Zealand. So
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that is, yeah, one of the things I definitely.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Learned as we've absolutely found out. Grant McCullum, a Northland MP,
National MP, have you got a generator big enough to
drive your cowshed or your milking shed?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah? Absolutely, And William there fore, Gabrielle, I just reiterate
everything that endorse. Having that Andrews said, it's really important
that we've got to look at our own businesses and
build resilience. Given the increased frequency and intensity of these
weather events that are happening, We've just got to think
about it, Ourseld. Because the state can't come running every
five minutes and fix things up. We've got to be
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a look after ourselves for a while. And yes, we've
got a wet to make sure we've got our old
cow shed. We've got rewired so we can put the
plug and the generator pipe. We've got a generator goes
on the back of the tractor and we can melt
the cows.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Most important thing, Andrew Hoggard, as Associate Agriculture Minister, I
note that Todd McLay and it's very sad to note
the passing of his father, Roger McLay. I want to
come back to that one. But along with your other
Associate ad Minister Mark Patterson, announced in an additional seventy
thousand dollars to Southland, Otago and North Canterbury Rural Support
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Trusts on top of the two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars already announced. Is that enough or is it just
buyer beware?
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Well, I think the key thing here is it's money
that's needed for coordination for repairs and all the rest
of it. It's not meant to fund repairs or anything
like that. It's more about in that coordination that edmind
in place. That's for any of these sort of payments
government make after an event. That's what it's there for,
to help those everyone in the community get organized, get
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their systems in place, and then there you know, it
just takes a bit of a bit of the stress
and hassle off.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Okay, look a couple of quickly finished on Grant McCullum.
The Asian hornets. They're in your backyard or you're looking
for them. We do it. We're taking this seriously enough
because I'll get the both of you opinion on this.
Obviously biosecurity Andrew Scott one, what do you.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Say, Yeah, we seem to be and I'm encourage a
minister to keep on top of it with you. Certainly
appears to be ab look forward to what he've got
to say. But no, no, we've got to keep an
up once again, reinforces the whole importance of biosecurity and procedures.
We've got some pretty good people do some great stuff.
And only Andrew comments that you've got the minister online.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yet, well, we'll let him go because if we lose
our honeybees or a portion of the population, there goes
pollination out.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
The Yeah, and I think the numbers have been talked about.
They can intentially decimate up to thirty percent of honeybee population. Well,
at the moment are high. Numbers are at such a
point that we've just got enough to do pollinations, so
we can't really afford to lose anymore. So, I mean,
the team's got trapping in place, and I mean the
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main thing at this moment is trying to identify where
they are. I'll certainly be asking about officials in today,
so asking whether we've got enough traps, do we need
to change plans? We've got advice, got a good technical
advisory team with lots of worldwide experts on that and
also local experts, so taking good advice from them on
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what we need to be doing. And you know, I'll
just be following up and constantly asking questions, which is
sort of my role in it, not to try and
get in the way. I don't want to get in
the way of the team doing the work, but just
I'll be sort of keeping pedal to the metal and
making sure actions happening on this.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Andrew Haggar, did you know the late Roger McLay Todd
mcclay's father.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
No, No, I didn't. His sort of turn in politics
was I was primary school back then. I know the name,
but no, I have never had anything to do with him.
Condolence was through to Todd's family though, and was pretty said.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Well Grant, being a true blue nat since you were
up and out of nappies, basically you would have known him.
You would have hung around some National Party conference and
chatted to Roger.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, we did actually and visible condolences to Todd in
this family at eighty far too young to be leaving
this world. But no I knew Roger's well respected a
politician and MP for the Taupo area. Did a great job,
and he did, and he went on to be Children's Commissioner,
a role he really loved and did a great job
with that as well. So he'll be missed and he
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was certainly an enjoyable company at various conferences over the years.
He'd be fair to say, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
And a great made of Winston's.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Apparently apparently that's the case.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yes, Rest in peace, Roger McLay and condolences to our
Trade Minister and Agriculture Minister Todd McLay, Grant McCullum Andrew Highgard.
Thanks for your time, thanks for being the Farmer Politician
panel today and Grant, when you're down in christ Church,
make sure you do something and earn your keep.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
We're paying for you.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
Always do, always do.
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She is one of our leading primary sector academics. Her
name is doctor Jacqueline Roweth. Jacqueline, I wonder whether one
of your areas of expertise is history, namely the history
around World War One, because today New Zealand time anyhow,
it's about eleven o'clock tonight, real time is Urmistice Day.
Of course, the cessation of hostilities in the First World
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War on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of
the eleventh month. You must have studied that at school.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Being British, I was there, not in I would hastily add,
at the end of World War War One, but Armistice Day,
remembering that I grew up in a naval family that
he was British Royal Navy and almost served in the
Second World War in terms of age. He'd signed up
and was trained and he went to see but didn't
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see active service in that We were there at the
eleventh hour of the eleventh day. It was very moving.
It's sort of like the twenty fifth and that day
here where you remember not just the end of that war,
but also all the people who have served to keep
your country safe. It's very moving.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
We've spoken to Wine McNee, chief executive of Agri zero
in Z on the show. We were talking about this
new development with the urine spreader. Do you know anything
about that?
Speaker 8 (12:51):
Yeah, Berkelin investigated a similar device back twenty years ago.
This is the thing with scientists, They have long memories
and there were a lot of things to overcome, including
the animal welfare and how any device is managed in
the yards, for instance, when you're when they're coming in
for milking. So I think there are quite a lot
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of technological aspects to be investigated before this becomes a
great idea.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
You are lamenting the fact that, yes, it's nice to
have all this funding for the likes of Agri zero
n Z but you think we need to go back
to the basics. Where's the funding for the enabler of
our productive economy? Past you Now you've written a column
on this, Jacqueline, and I did say to you, this
reminded me of plant science at Lincoln College in nineteen
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eighty two, and my eyes did sort of glaze over,
to be honest, when I was reading your column.
Speaker 8 (13:44):
Oh, Jamie, that's because I wasn't the lecturer. So had
we been in class together in whatever way, it would
have all been far more exciting.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
You women, Jacqueline, you probably would have hated me. I
was one of those horrible kids who through flaming dark
on one occasion. Anyhow, I've grown up a lot since then.
Speaker 8 (14:03):
Good yes, and I have never hated a student. I
have looked at them with steely eyes and raised one
or maybe two eyebrows. But I have never had bad
behavior in the class because it was also fascinating. So
let's go back to the pasture and think about the
research that's been done by AG Research and involving various
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other groups to say that our primary production, our ability
to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere is not happening
as rapidly as we thought from our trees and pastures,
and so what's going on fundamentally carbon dioxide when you
have it in a glasshouse, for instance, it enriches, it
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grows plants faster. But that is under perfect conditions of moisture,
nutrients and temperature. In the real life, something else is
going on and we need to be investigating that. Otherwise
the technology funded by various groups in New Zealand and
around the world won't actually make any major difference. And
I suspect that all the predictions about how great the
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technologies will be were modeled on an incorrect assumption of
how much faster plants would be growing.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
They're not got to go, Jackquellan always good to.
Speaker 8 (15:20):
Chat lovely, thanks like Jamie, the best.
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Speaker 3 (15:30):
Damian O'Connor as Labour's trade spokesperson this FTA with India,
Todd mcclay's talking it up, saying we're getting close. Is
there any chance at all in your mind that we
can sneak Deiry into the deal?
Speaker 9 (15:43):
Look at hard to know. I know there's been a
lot of work going on and if you go back
to what we were doing in government, we were building
partnerships and relationships with India and we saw that as
the best way forward. And I know that Prime Minister
promised to FDA which really pushed it rather quickly and
rather ambitiously, and good luck to the government it was.
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You know, there was a lot of pushback from India
and if they've made substentive progress, then good on them.
You know, we'll just wait and see as to what
we get from it. And obviously it's a big market,
but so we just have to be realistic about, you know,
what we will get from India. The government's talk to
big talk, so now it has to deliver.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
India adds more to its GDP every year than the
size of the entire New Zealand economy. They've got two
hundred and eighty times as many people as us. It's
a huge opportunity. But even if we don't get dairy
across the line, because I mean the sacred cow sort
of thing going on there, what about for the like
salam and that it would be invaluable.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
Absolutely, Look any opportunity into a market like that we're building.
You know, this horticulture Zesprie doing work and you know,
we're getting a lot of good people from India who
are coming into our economy and participating and contributing in
huge ways. So so building a relationship with India is
critical over time. But you know, we have to be
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a realistic. We can feed forty to fifty million people,
so our contribution and total to India in terms of
food and protein production is very, very small. So we've
got to pick our niches around the world. We've got
to have a balance. You know, we don't fill the
market opportunities that we have at the moment, and exporters
you choose to decide where they go or you know,
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the importers, it's up to them. So there are plenty
of opportunities. Now, you know, we don't need an FTA
with India, but it would add potential opportunities into the future.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Unlimited opportunities, I would have thought. Anyhow, since we last chatted,
the Pike the Pike River movie has premiered. A have
you seen it? B Why weren't you? Inn't you were
the local MP.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
Well, you know it's about you know about families related
to the Pike's not that politicians, although I think John
Key's mentioned in there. Look, yes, I have seen it.
I was at the premiere in Graymouth local community, and
you know, it runs deep into that community in many
many ways. And I think they did a brilliant job
of portraying a personal insight into Senior and Sonya and
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as kind of life and the people around them, And
I think that's what it was aimed at doing. It
wasn't aimed at, you know, looking into the whys and
house of the actual disaster itself or you know, what
it did mention the fact that, you know, there's still
potential litigation, still accountability be to be had because there
has been very very little. So I thought it was
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a brilliant movie and a lot of people will understand
a bit more about Pike when they see it.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
It was a bit of a political hatchet job on
John Key, let's be honest about it. And was it
over the top to Cinder with her cameo role being herself.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
Look, you know I didn't direct the film, I wasn't
part of it, but it just it just ate out
the facts as they were delivered to the families through
that period. It was a difficult time. I don't think
anyone will you do if you're a West Coast a
family member or you know, a politician. There was nothing
good come from this and there's been no accountability and
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I think that's it's you know, it's something that has
to be resolved over time.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Chippy, he's too busy to appear on this show this month.
I'm just stuck. I'm just left with you and Joe Luxton.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
Did you offend him more?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
No, I honestly, I honestly don't know. And Chloe hasn't
answered my calls either, and I wouldn't waste my breath
trying to talk to the party Mary. You must be
it must be such a nightmare for Chippy. I see
he's making some noises about them not being fit for government.
Of course they're not fit for government, Damien.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
If you open both your eyes and both your ears
as much as you open your mouth, then you know,
I don'd probably see it. There's a balance show, but
you know they probably think that it's not balance, so
you know, why bother. I mean, I have a word
with Chippy and say, look, it's good to go on
there and try and keep him on us. But it's
a hard job.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Do you think he's making the right noises about at
least he's to be fair. He's come out and said
they're not fit for government at the moment.
Speaker 9 (20:15):
Who's that said? I mean amration to party mar I look,
there a whole lot of issues that they have to
work through. And you know, while we should comment on
the policies from parties, you know, getting into the directions
of different parties, it happens to everyone from time to time.
Probably happened to National Party soon. So you know, you've
got to be careful. What goes around comes around in politics.
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And you know, democracy should be a healthy place for
robust ideas, robust policies. And there'll be a whole lot
of people, more more diverse range of people in Parliament
now than there was in the past, will be in
the future, and we just those parties have to work through,
you know, how they cooperate among themselves as well as
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with other parties.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Diversity. But at what cost I give you, Benjamin Doyle, Well, I.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
Mean, so so what about that? You know there'll be
people make mistakes in life, people make mistakes and politics
I don't think we have to victimize people. You know,
we just have to move on and try and have
some understanding as to why people do make mistakes and
try and help them to minimize them.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
See that was the beauty of the old first past
the post, Daman. And you've worked under that system. I
think you have, haven't you first elections it was at least,
well you first past the post. You had to convince
your electorate how many tens of thousands of people that
you were a worthy candidate, and it was at least
a vetting process because let's be honest, list MPs, back
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bench lest listingps are as useful as Australia on one
of your trail bikes.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
Oh come on that look, you know, listing piece is
part of the system. You know, I've always believed in
constituency work and accountability, but that we have MMP, we
have list MPs on one of them at the moment.
You know, people have to get out and work and
connect and communicate and the best way they know how.
And I guess I've I've had the benefit of being
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a constituency MP and understanding the importance of that. Not
everyone does, but you know it m MP will evolve
as will in parliament.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Does a list MP like being semi retired.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
No, it certainly isn't. And you know, I guess I
go to a whole lot more places around the country.
I've always traveled a lot, but you know, following portfolio,
working and looking after as a labor m P West
Coast Tasman and up around Marlborough and cal Colra and
you know down around Otago as well. So you know,
we're all traveling, probably more than we'd like, but we
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do have to keep in touch with people and bring
that representation along with leadership into parliament.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Damien, I kind of thanks for your time. We're going
to see what at the christ Show later this week.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
Look, I'm fortunately I can't be there. I am currently
in Ireland talking with farmers, talking with people about trade
and where things are moving. And everyone's seeing a bit
of a softing in the dairy price at the moment internationally,
and that's that's a worry for I guess for anyone
in the dairy industry and for our country.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I didn't realize you're an island as we make this call.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Well, well, you can be anywhere in the world on
a phone called.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yes, I realized that, Dailien. But are we getting Is
it a waste of time sending a back bench list
MP to Ireland?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Well, I'm not.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
I don't think so. I think that what I can
bring back to my party, what I can bring back
into Parliament and a whole lot of people I talk
to on a weekly basis, will be valuable. I have
to say, been very privileged to and always do get
to talk to a whole lot of useful and people
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who people who like New Zealand. There's a lot of crossover,
not just with Ireland, actually with the whole of Europe
and our free trade agreement, which I was very happy too,
is offering us a huge number of opportunities.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
All right, I think the toll call is about to
run out to Ireland. Damien O'Connor, you surprise me daily. Okay,
thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
Good thanks, Dammy.
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Speaker 3 (27:01):
He is a UK farm and correspondent farmer Tom Martin.
Big social media influence. I no doubt he's doing lots
of posts from where he is at the moment, because
he's in Turkey. A fascinating country is Stanbull one of
the most wonderful cities in the world, and it's rather
app tom than in the UK time as we record
this anyhow, it's Armistice Day. And what a role Turkey
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played around the First World War.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
That's right, Well, it's a bit of a kind of
a pivot country in many ways, ancient and modern. Of course,
Turkey playing a bit of a role in the Ukraine
conflict as well, and controlling the Bosphorus, so really controlling
all that trade and traffic going up to up to
the Black Sea. And I didn't see it this time
when I flew in, but when I flew in, I
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was here about eighteen months ago, back to instance actually,
and you could see all those cargo ships waiting out
in the Mediterranean to get up to the Bostros, to
the Black Sea. So you realize what an important geopolitical
location is really interesting when you when you dive into it.
But interesting, but also you know, pretty pretty pretty pretty terrible,
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to be honest. We're you know, we're it's in a
position which is just a few hundred miles away from
two pretty bloody war zones. So yeah, Armistice Day or
Remembrance Day as we would call it, really really important.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Stan Bull wasn't on my bucket list. I really only
went there because I wanted to go to Galloply. That's
very much a right of passage, as you'll understand for
all Kiwis. But I found a Standbull to be perhaps
the most amazing city I've ever been to in the world.
As you say at bridges effectively Asia and Europe, it is.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
It's a melting pot. It's and you know what, it's
got a lot in common with the u K. It's
a it's a it's a trading point, you know, it's
it's a nation of traders. You think obviously, we know,
we think about the ancient silt written and things like that.
But the amount of trade would have come through through
this place in over the century. It's a remarkable, no wonder.
It's this melting pot of cultures as well as as
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well as occupying a strategic position, are you.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Still a trading nation or as a key starmer bend
trading and farming.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
We're pretty good at llowing in lots of imports. I'm
not sure we're having a particularly great time at the moment.
It certainly feels pretty bleak as a farmer, mind you.
I'm saying that I realized that I'm on holiday in Turkey,
which you know, which for the UK is just is
just a few hours. But it feels pretty exotic to
be here talking about what a tough time we're having
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in farming. But it's been pretty head down since I reckon,
probably the last week in June. So now I've deserved
a few days out.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yeah, fair enough, Tom the Inn if you your National
Farmers Union, the equivalent of a Federated Farmers has had
a letter writing campaign. Apparently farmers have written twelve thousand
US to five hundred and fifty MP's in just twelve days.
And if that's not enough, this is over the inheritance
taxt On November the twenty sixth, they're going to drive
their tractors yet again into Westminster. I wonder whether you're
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going to take yours to coincide with the Chancellor's autumn budget.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
I reckon, I absolute leave now to get there for
November the twenty sixth. I won't be but it's a
really really important day last year the budget was in
the more traditional time said it's thirtieth of October, and
that's of course when we first heard, and actually when
the Department for the Environment include Rural Affairs, I think
first heard that there will be these changes to the
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inheritance tax exemptions that we I was going to say, enjoy,
but actually that we really need as farmers to continue
to operate family business as we do. But it's something
which we've been really campaigning about for the last year,
since that last budget. And interestingly, I think everybody, probably
about apart from I don't know half a dozen people
(31:01):
who could sit around the same table in Treasury think
it's a terrible idea what they're planning at the moment.
In reducing those restrictions. They are penalizing family businesses and
actually still permitting people to commit low level tax avoidance.
So they're really they're really missing on both of those goals.
But very recently the Secretary of State for Defra has
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went on the radio and said she said there is
no way that the Treasury will be looking to change
those previously announced exemptions. So of course, Jamie, you know
they probably are going to That's what they do, isn't it.
They say that they're not going to and then they do,
or they say that they're going to do something and
then they don't. So we are hopeful. I don't think
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we're optimistic, but I think we're hopeful that there may
well be a change of revision, an amendment to the
current plans. Then it certainly needs to be.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
You're an arable farmer just north of London. I guess
effectively as you hit out of your light autumn and
to the winter period. Of course northern hemisphere opposite seasons
to us, this is effectively your off season. That's why
you're holidaying in this standball Tom.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
That's right. We're just really quieted down because we've had
such a hot, dry summer. I think we're the hottest
dry sum record and I don't know, but certainly very hot,
very dry. It's really been non stop since that last
week in June when we've gone and went into a
very early harvest straight through into infortunately really good conditions
after that dry, dry summer for autumn planting, and we
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put our last last field of winter soon beams in
two weeks last Friday. So yeah, we're just starting quite
down now. If you want to feel sorry for us,
we've had the I think we've had the dullest October
on record. There's records going all over the place, but
I think the dullest in terms of the fewest sunshine hours.
But I still think we're going to have a pretty
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good autumn. It's nice and dry, the roots will be
getting down and I'm a farmer, so I'm always an
optimist about next harvest.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Now, you're also in England rugby supporter. That makes you
a naturally born optimist. Are you getting back to Twickenham
this weekend for the Test?
Speaker 7 (33:05):
I won't be down there, but i'll be home. I'll
be back at the Northampton Saints ground, which is my
local team. Of course, supplied a lot of the England
top brass, including one Henry Pollock from from our from
our club, so I'll be watching and support of the
cheering on England from Northampton Saints.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
That Henry Pollock is kind of almost a harbrid rugby player,
a super sub, isn't he.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
He's a remarkable guy. I mean he's just got this
this phenomenal want ability, but also this outrageous temperament where
he really kind of riles up the opposition but seems
to you know, doesn't doesn't respond to anything and seems
to crack on. He he's no doubt going to be
targeted as when he comes on. But even even with that,
you know you've seen the last few games, he still
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manages to provide a spark and score the odd try
and do us proud. So we're looking forward to cheering
him on on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
It's going to be a one the full Test match.
I hope you get a bonus point. Farmer Tom enjoy Turkey.
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Beautiful day in christ churchs for Day two of the
Canterbury amp Show. Now this is a great honor to
have him sitting in on the show. Here is believe
it or not, the Royal Shows Supreme Livestock Judge Richard Lowe.
What is that job? Entail?
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Great title? Isn't it nothing else? Taking? What is it entitle?
Speaker 10 (34:33):
That entitles are after each section judge their supreme animal,
which down the cattle have done? They've done the sheep,
the meat and wall sections. I suppose I saw one
out the horse, big gray, Big Gray mayor won that
or golding. I think it was one that. So after
gem are I have to somehow judge who's the supreme
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of all the supremes. It's a bit of a poison chalice,
but it'll be fun.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
Well.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I hear that the president of the Royal Show, Brent Chamberlin,
was a wee bit worried that you might be open
for brides.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
I am, I am just put it out there.
Speaker 10 (35:08):
All I've been offered so far is a cold steiny afterwards,
which is a bit ranked.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Really, it should have been a box at least.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
What are you up to these days? Because you're sitting
in for your good mate Hamish Makai today he's been well,
he's kind of been sinburn because we could get you here,
we weren't quite sure where homeless.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
And much cheaper.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
You're much cheaper. Yeah, well he clips the ticket on
the skin. I figure he owes you something.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Yeah, he does owe me a lot, but he has
to earn a buck somehow.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Oh well, he's I think he's doing a pretty fine job.
I'll get remains and there he's doing. He's doing very well.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
What I do.
Speaker 10 (35:45):
We've just built a new home up on the hills
there and just around the corner a couple of valleys
over got a small grazing block of graze, so that
keeps me out of mischief. But then I do a
few days a week for Excel breeding their seamen and
embryo business.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Are you getting a bit dry on the porthills?
Speaker 11 (36:01):
No?
Speaker 10 (36:02):
Or up the top there were still springs, so that's
fairly good. The old porthills have been getting a bit
of moisture. It was North Canterbury that was sort of
with that win the other week when what do they
say seven hundred odd center pivots lost bits and they
were feeling it. But I hear Old David Carter said,
thirty five meals up at Catthill. There's just up the
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hern so they'll love it.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Let's have put on your other hat as a former
All Black, how do you reckon? We're going to go
against England twicking them Sunday morning out of time.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
My big worry is and it's that you take their
first half.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
Last week they played well, got a couple of opportunists
tries and then they come out after halftime and if
you look at all the Test matches, I don't know
who's saying what in the break, but they come out
for that first twenty minutes halfter halftime and they look confused.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
Who do we do?
Speaker 10 (36:57):
We do his suggestions first or his I think there's
too much noise. So if they can get that play
a good first half and carry.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
On in the second half, we'll be right.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
The England have named a bit of a bomb squad
on the bench six' two. Split we. Haven't and also
they've picked guys Like George ford in the half backer's
Name i've just. Forgotten they've picked aerial. Specialists so our
back three are in for quite a big day at the.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
Office, yeah but the old, Story, jamie even at your high,
level if you gain the, ball you retain.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
It eventually you'll score.
Speaker 10 (37:31):
A try if you're going to kick it away all the.
Time that's WHAT i can't put up with their box
skating all the. Time keep the ball in, hand have
faith in your ball carriers and keep, on keep on
and put them under.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Pressure because you look at.
Speaker 10 (37:44):
That the reason they've got a bomb squad is theirs
starting fifteen players are not good enough to play eighty.
Minutes we see fellas Like Cameroy Guard Richie mccaorr always
did it played eighteen.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
Minutes eighty. Minutes if you're playing, well stay out there
and do the job.
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Grant McCullum. Earlier in the week, we had discussions about
all sorts of things, including whether we will have to
buy carbon credits to meet our twenty thirty Paris commitments.
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We had a look at Asian hornets and paid tribute
to the late Roger McLay. Todd mcclay's father who's our
current Minister of Agriculture and Trade, doctor JAQUILLN Rowe with
a regular on the show, leading primary sector academic. On
Armistice Day, we talked about why we needed to be
investing in pasture, the fundamental enabler of our productive economy.
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Damian O'Connor, this is Survivor and I are the tiger
from the Rocky movie. The gloves always come on off
when Damien's on the show. So we talked about the
FTA with India, the Pike River movie which didn't feature him. Interestingly,
and we're the backbench list. MPs such as him are
a complete waste of space and money. Tom Martin's, our
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UK farming correspondent, caught up with him on Armistice Day
in of all places, Turkey. How ironic is that? And
I spent Thursday and Friday at the Royal or the
Canterbury Royal Amp show was a cracker. Thursday a miserable day.
Friday was a butte and they had huge crowds there.
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Today's Farmer Panel. Let's welcome them on to the show.
Manuatu Colcocky also Minister of Biosecurity. I think yes he
is an Associate ag Minister. Yes, thank you Andrew Hoggard
and Grant McCullum. I'm not quite sure how I describe
you Northland MP. What the hell are you going to
be doing later this week down at the church Amp show.
(03:01):
That's not in your patch.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
No, it's not in my petch. But this is part
of the deal being part of the team, the rural team,
for the Rural Nets for National is to go along
to the shows and true the fat with the cocky
is and hear what their concerns are.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Hang on, Grant, what value are we the taxpayers getting
out of flying you from Northland or Auckland down to
christ Church for the day because.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
The farmers loved my company? Didn't you realize that? I mean,
that's what it is, of course, none all seriousness. It's
about representation. We all have our different communities we align
with and being a farmer I love to get out
and understand how the farmers are going in the South
Island and just remind them all actually that the oldest
day m P show is not the Canterbury it's the
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Bay of Islands, which I was had on Saturday, so
you know we're where one get ahead of Canterbury.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
And they tell me it's a cracker of an amp
show as well. Mind you Andrew Hoggart, if you turned up,
you've got a bit of ministerial gravitas, so we wouldn't
mind that as much.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Unfortunately, this year got to be over in Melbourne for
the Food Minister's meeting, so I was booked down to
go to the cross Church show, but then the Ausies
had to reorganize everything and decided to have the Minister's
meeting later. So if New Zealand wants a vote, the
only way New Zealand gets the voters if I show up.
So I'm going to go do my job. Unfortunately, check on.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Your dairy farmer. Hats the pair of you and I'll
stay with you, Andrew and mana or Two's how's the
season treating you?
Speaker 5 (04:28):
It looks pretty reasonable at the moment, And got the
solid j off on the weekend and yeah, so I
think things are taken along or right at the moment. Actually,
so you'll.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Take that as a as a positive grant. What about
in Northland?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Oh you know, I we're taking you on okay, and
we actually got our silade off on Friday Saturday as well,
and as soon as we finished and cover the stack,
it rains. Don't you love it when that happens. It's
almost like who was meant to be?
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Now?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Both of you have been through weather extremes Grant in
your case obviously a couple of years ago, what's nearly
three years cyclone Gabrielle and Andrew in the Manawa two region,
And I always remember the late Alistair Polson talking about
the damage and did on his farm, a former president
of Federated Farmers. You had those horrendous floods of two
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thousand and four and the lessons learnt from those stick
with you for life.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Yeah, definitely, And for me it was you just can't
underestimate the value of the having back up power supply
on the farm and also back up solutions for communications.
So you know, one of the things I've got now
is you know, wireless internet provider, So I can have
a small generator that powers up the dish and I
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can still have connectivity with the rest of the world
through wireless internet, and you know, we had a generator
back then to run the care shed and that kept
us going. You know. She was pretty stressful times, but
at least been able to milk the cows. That was
one less burden off. So, you know, ever since, it's
sort of something I've always remembered of what could go
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wrong and how can I manage if it does go wrong,
and always saving a plan on the back of my mind,
you know. And I think with most of these weather events,
the main thing that's going to happen as we lose power.
We're just in such a small, a long drawn out
country where so many things can go wrong. Our power
supply is just uniquely vulnerable here in New Zealand. So
(06:32):
that is, yeah, one of the things I definitely.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Learned as we've absolutely found out. Grant McCullum, a Northland MP,
National MP, have you got a generator big enough to
drive your cowshed or your milking shed?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah? Absolutely, And William there fore, Gabrielle, I just reiterate
everything that endorse. Having that Andrews said, it's really important
that we've got to look at our own businesses and
build resilience. Given the increased frequency and intensity of these
weather events that are happening, We've just got to think
about it, Ourseld. Because the state can't come running every
five minutes and fix things up. We've got to be
(07:04):
a look after ourselves for a while. And yes, we've
got a wet to make sure we've got our old
cow shed. We've got rewired so we can put the
plug and the generator pipe. We've got a generator goes
on the back of the tractor and we can melt
the cows.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Most important thing, Andrew Hoggard, as Associate Agriculture Minister, I
note that Todd McLay and it's very sad to note
the passing of his father, Roger McLay. I want to
come back to that one. But along with your other
Associate ad Minister Mark Patterson, announced in an additional seventy
thousand dollars to Southland, Otago and North Canterbury Rural Support
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Trusts on top of the two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars already announced. Is that enough or is it just
buyer beware?
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Well, I think the key thing here is it's money
that's needed for coordination for repairs and all the rest
of it. It's not meant to fund repairs or anything
like that. It's more about in that coordination that edmind
in place. That's for any of these sort of payments
government make after an event. That's what it's there for,
to help those everyone in the community get organized, get
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their systems in place, and then there you know, it
just takes a bit of a bit of the stress
and hassle off.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Okay, look a couple of quickly finished on Grant McCullum.
The Asian hornets. They're in your backyard or you're looking
for them. We do it. We're taking this seriously enough
because I'll get the both of you opinion on this.
Obviously biosecurity Andrew Scott one, what do you.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Say, Yeah, we seem to be and I'm encourage a
minister to keep on top of it with you. Certainly
appears to be ab look forward to what he've got
to say. But no, no, we've got to keep an
up once again, reinforces the whole importance of biosecurity and procedures.
We've got some pretty good people do some great stuff.
And only Andrew comments that you've got the minister online.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yet, well, we'll let him go because if we lose
our honeybees or a portion of the population, there goes
pollination out.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
The Yeah, and I think the numbers have been talked about.
They can intentially decimate up to thirty percent of honeybee population. Well,
at the moment are high. Numbers are at such a
point that we've just got enough to do pollinations, so
we can't really afford to lose anymore. So, I mean,
the team's got trapping in place, and I mean the
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main thing at this moment is trying to identify where
they are. I'll certainly be asking about officials in today,
so asking whether we've got enough traps, do we need
to change plans? We've got advice, got a good technical
advisory team with lots of worldwide experts on that and
also local experts, so taking good advice from them on
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what we need to be doing. And you know, I'll
just be following up and constantly asking questions, which is
sort of my role in it, not to try and
get in the way. I don't want to get in
the way of the team doing the work, but just
I'll be sort of keeping pedal to the metal and
making sure actions happening on this.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Andrew Haggar, did you know the late Roger McLay Todd
mcclay's father.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
No, No, I didn't. His sort of turn in politics
was I was primary school back then. I know the name,
but no, I have never had anything to do with him.
Condolence was through to Todd's family though, and was pretty said.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Well Grant, being a true blue nat since you were
up and out of nappies, basically you would have known him.
You would have hung around some National Party conference and
chatted to Roger.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, we did actually and visible condolences to Todd in
this family at eighty far too young to be leaving
this world. But no I knew Roger's well respected a
politician and MP for the Taupo area. Did a great job,
and he did, and he went on to be Children's Commissioner,
a role he really loved and did a great job
with that as well. So he'll be missed and he
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was certainly an enjoyable company at various conferences over the years.
He'd be fair to say, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
And a great made of Winston's.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Apparently apparently that's the case.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yes, Rest in peace, Roger McLay and condolences to our
Trade Minister and Agriculture Minister Todd McLay, Grant McCullum Andrew Highgard.
Thanks for your time, thanks for being the Farmer Politician
panel today and Grant, when you're down in christ Church,
make sure you do something and earn your keep.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
We're paying for you.
Speaker 7 (11:16):
Always do, always do.
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She is one of our leading primary sector academics. Her
name is doctor Jacqueline Roweth. Jacqueline, I wonder whether one
of your areas of expertise is history, namely the history
around World War One, because today New Zealand time anyhow,
it's about eleven o'clock tonight, real time is Urmistice Day.
Of course, the cessation of hostilities in the First World
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War on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of
the eleventh month. You must have studied that at school.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Being British, I was there, not in I would hastily add,
at the end of World War War One, but Armistice Day,
remembering that I grew up in a naval family that
he was British Royal Navy and almost served in the
Second World War in terms of age. He'd signed up
and was trained and he went to see but didn't
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see active service in that We were there at the
eleventh hour of the eleventh day. It was very moving.
It's sort of like the twenty fifth and that day
here where you remember not just the end of that war,
but also all the people who have served to keep
your country safe. It's very moving.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
We've spoken to Wine McNee, chief executive of Agri zero
in Z on the show. We were talking about this
new development with the urine spreader. Do you know anything
about that?
Speaker 8 (12:51):
Yeah, Berkelin investigated a similar device back twenty years ago.
This is the thing with scientists, They have long memories
and there were a lot of things to overcome, including
the animal welfare and how any device is managed in
the yards, for instance, when you're when they're coming in
for milking. So I think there are quite a lot
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of technological aspects to be investigated before this becomes a
great idea.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
You are lamenting the fact that, yes, it's nice to
have all this funding for the likes of Agri zero
n Z but you think we need to go back
to the basics. Where's the funding for the enabler of
our productive economy? Past you Now you've written a column
on this, Jacqueline, and I did say to you, this
reminded me of plant science at Lincoln College in nineteen
(13:39):
eighty two, and my eyes did sort of glaze over,
to be honest, when I was reading your column.
Speaker 8 (13:44):
Oh, Jamie, that's because I wasn't the lecturer. So had
we been in class together in whatever way, it would
have all been far more exciting.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
You women, Jacqueline, you probably would have hated me. I
was one of those horrible kids who through flaming dark
on one occasion. Anyhow, I've grown up a lot since then.
Speaker 8 (14:03):
Good yes, and I have never hated a student. I
have looked at them with steely eyes and raised one
or maybe two eyebrows. But I have never had bad
behavior in the class because it was also fascinating. So
let's go back to the pasture and think about the
research that's been done by AG Research and involving various
(14:25):
other groups to say that our primary production, our ability
to capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere is not happening
as rapidly as we thought from our trees and pastures,
and so what's going on fundamentally carbon dioxide when you
have it in a glasshouse, for instance, it enriches, it
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grows plants faster. But that is under perfect conditions of moisture,
nutrients and temperature. In the real life, something else is
going on and we need to be investigating that. Otherwise
the technology funded by various groups in New Zealand and
around the world won't actually make any major difference. And
I suspect that all the predictions about how great the
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technologies will be were modeled on an incorrect assumption of
how much faster plants would be growing.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
They're not got to go, Jackquellan always good to.
Speaker 8 (15:20):
Chat lovely, thanks like Jamie, the best.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
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Speaker 3 (15:30):
Damian O'Connor as Labour's trade spokesperson this FTA with India,
Todd mcclay's talking it up, saying we're getting close. Is
there any chance at all in your mind that we
can sneak Deiry into the deal?
Speaker 9 (15:43):
Look at hard to know. I know there's been a
lot of work going on and if you go back
to what we were doing in government, we were building
partnerships and relationships with India and we saw that as
the best way forward. And I know that Prime Minister
promised to FDA which really pushed it rather quickly and
rather ambitiously, and good luck to the government it was.
(16:04):
You know, there was a lot of pushback from India
and if they've made substentive progress, then good on them.
You know, we'll just wait and see as to what
we get from it. And obviously it's a big market,
but so we just have to be realistic about, you know,
what we will get from India. The government's talk to
big talk, so now it has to deliver.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
India adds more to its GDP every year than the
size of the entire New Zealand economy. They've got two
hundred and eighty times as many people as us. It's
a huge opportunity. But even if we don't get dairy
across the line, because I mean the sacred cow sort
of thing going on there, what about for the like
salam and that it would be invaluable.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
Absolutely, Look any opportunity into a market like that we're building.
You know, this horticulture Zesprie doing work and you know,
we're getting a lot of good people from India who
are coming into our economy and participating and contributing in
huge ways. So so building a relationship with India is
critical over time. But you know, we have to be
(17:08):
a realistic. We can feed forty to fifty million people,
so our contribution and total to India in terms of
food and protein production is very, very small. So we've
got to pick our niches around the world. We've got
to have a balance. You know, we don't fill the
market opportunities that we have at the moment, and exporters
you choose to decide where they go or you know,
(17:28):
the importers, it's up to them. So there are plenty
of opportunities. Now, you know, we don't need an FTA
with India, but it would add potential opportunities into the future.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Unlimited opportunities, I would have thought. Anyhow, since we last chatted,
the Pike the Pike River movie has premiered. A have
you seen it? B Why weren't you? Inn't you were
the local MP.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
Well, you know it's about you know about families related
to the Pike's not that politicians, although I think John
Key's mentioned in there. Look, yes, I have seen it.
I was at the premiere in Graymouth local community, and
you know, it runs deep into that community in many
many ways. And I think they did a brilliant job
of portraying a personal insight into Senior and Sonya and
(18:18):
as kind of life and the people around them, And
I think that's what it was aimed at doing. It
wasn't aimed at, you know, looking into the whys and
house of the actual disaster itself or you know, what
it did mention the fact that, you know, there's still
potential litigation, still accountability be to be had because there
has been very very little. So I thought it was
(18:40):
a brilliant movie and a lot of people will understand
a bit more about Pike when they see it.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
It was a bit of a political hatchet job on
John Key, let's be honest about it. And was it
over the top to Cinder with her cameo role being herself.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
Look, you know I didn't direct the film, I wasn't
part of it, but it just it just ate out
the facts as they were delivered to the families through
that period. It was a difficult time. I don't think
anyone will you do if you're a West Coast a
family member or you know, a politician. There was nothing
good come from this and there's been no accountability and
(19:15):
I think that's it's you know, it's something that has
to be resolved over time.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Chippy, he's too busy to appear on this show this month.
I'm just stuck. I'm just left with you and Joe Luxton.
Speaker 9 (19:28):
Did you offend him more?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
No, I honestly, I honestly don't know. And Chloe hasn't
answered my calls either, and I wouldn't waste my breath
trying to talk to the party Mary. You must be
it must be such a nightmare for Chippy. I see
he's making some noises about them not being fit for government.
Of course they're not fit for government, Damien.
Speaker 9 (19:48):
If you open both your eyes and both your ears
as much as you open your mouth, then you know,
I don'd probably see it. There's a balance show, but
you know they probably think that it's not balance, so
you know, why bother. I mean, I have a word
with Chippy and say, look, it's good to go on
there and try and keep him on us. But it's
a hard job.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Do you think he's making the right noises about at
least he's to be fair. He's come out and said
they're not fit for government at the moment.
Speaker 9 (20:15):
Who's that said? I mean amration to party mar I look,
there a whole lot of issues that they have to
work through. And you know, while we should comment on
the policies from parties, you know, getting into the directions
of different parties, it happens to everyone from time to time.
Probably happened to National Party soon. So you know, you've
got to be careful. What goes around comes around in politics.
(20:36):
And you know, democracy should be a healthy place for
robust ideas, robust policies. And there'll be a whole lot
of people, more more diverse range of people in Parliament
now than there was in the past, will be in
the future, and we just those parties have to work through,
you know, how they cooperate among themselves as well as
(20:59):
with other parties.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Diversity. But at what cost I give you, Benjamin Doyle, Well, I.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
Mean, so so what about that? You know there'll be
people make mistakes in life, people make mistakes and politics
I don't think we have to victimize people. You know,
we just have to move on and try and have
some understanding as to why people do make mistakes and
try and help them to minimize them.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
See that was the beauty of the old first past
the post, Daman. And you've worked under that system. I
think you have, haven't you first elections it was at least,
well you first past the post. You had to convince
your electorate how many tens of thousands of people that
you were a worthy candidate, and it was at least
a vetting process because let's be honest, list MPs, back
(21:43):
bench lest listingps are as useful as Australia on one
of your trail bikes.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
Oh come on that look, you know, listing piece is
part of the system. You know, I've always believed in
constituency work and accountability, but that we have MMP, we
have list MPs on one of them at the moment.
You know, people have to get out and work and
connect and communicate and the best way they know how.
And I guess I've I've had the benefit of being
(22:10):
a constituency MP and understanding the importance of that. Not
everyone does, but you know it m MP will evolve
as will in parliament.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Does a list MP like being semi retired.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
No, it certainly isn't. And you know, I guess I
go to a whole lot more places around the country.
I've always traveled a lot, but you know, following portfolio,
working and looking after as a labor m P West
Coast Tasman and up around Marlborough and cal Colra and
you know down around Otago as well. So you know,
we're all traveling, probably more than we'd like, but we
(22:47):
do have to keep in touch with people and bring
that representation along with leadership into parliament.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Damien, I kind of thanks for your time. We're going
to see what at the christ Show later this week.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
Look, I'm fortunately I can't be there. I am currently
in Ireland talking with farmers, talking with people about trade
and where things are moving. And everyone's seeing a bit
of a softing in the dairy price at the moment internationally,
and that's that's a worry for I guess for anyone
in the dairy industry and for our country.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I didn't realize you're an island as we make this call.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Well, well, you can be anywhere in the world on
a phone called.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yes, I realized that, Dailien. But are we getting Is
it a waste of time sending a back bench list
MP to Ireland?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Well, I'm not.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
I don't think so. I think that what I can
bring back to my party, what I can bring back
into Parliament and a whole lot of people I talk
to on a weekly basis, will be valuable. I have
to say, been very privileged to and always do get
to talk to a whole lot of useful and people
(23:53):
who people who like New Zealand. There's a lot of crossover,
not just with Ireland, actually with the whole of Europe
and our free trade agreement, which I was very happy too,
is offering us a huge number of opportunities.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
All right, I think the toll call is about to
run out to Ireland. Damien O'Connor, you surprise me daily. Okay,
thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
Good thanks, Dammy.
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Up next on the best of the Country a UK
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(24:49):
Armistice Day, ironically in Turkey, of course, the venue of
that great conflict of the Great War, and that was Gallipoli.
More about that the we reflected on the importance of
Istanbul to world trade, remembering it is Europe's biggest city
and it straddles Asia and Europe. We talked about farmer
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protests against the inheritance tax and had a bit of
banter ahead of the All Blacks England clash at Twickenham
tomorrow morning our time. We're going to wrap it with
former All Blacks hard Man rural commentator Richard Lowe. He
was the Supreme Judge at the or has still the
Supreme Judge at the Royal Canterbury amp Show, and we
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to catch up with our UK farming correspondent, farmer Tom Martin.
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Speaker 1 (27:00):
Rubber Beg.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
He is a UK farm and correspondent farmer Tom Martin.
Big social media influence. I no doubt he's doing lots
of posts from where he is at the moment, because
he's in Turkey. A fascinating country is Stanbull one of
the most wonderful cities in the world, and it's rather
app tom than in the UK time as we record
this anyhow, it's Armistice Day. And what a role Turkey
(27:24):
played around the First World War.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
That's right, Well, it's a bit of a kind of
a pivot country in many ways, ancient and modern. Of course,
Turkey playing a bit of a role in the Ukraine
conflict as well, and controlling the Bosphorus, so really controlling
all that trade and traffic going up to up to
the Black Sea. And I didn't see it this time
when I flew in, but when I flew in, I
(27:49):
was here about eighteen months ago, back to instance actually,
and you could see all those cargo ships waiting out
in the Mediterranean to get up to the Bostros, to
the Black Sea. So you realize what an important geopolitical
location is really interesting when you when you dive into it.
But interesting, but also you know, pretty pretty pretty pretty terrible,
(28:11):
to be honest. We're you know, we're it's in a
position which is just a few hundred miles away from
two pretty bloody war zones. So yeah, Armistice Day or
Remembrance Day as we would call it, really really important.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Stan Bull wasn't on my bucket list. I really only
went there because I wanted to go to Galloply. That's
very much a right of passage, as you'll understand for
all Kiwis. But I found a Standbull to be perhaps
the most amazing city I've ever been to in the world.
As you say at bridges effectively Asia and Europe, it is.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
It's a melting pot. It's and you know what, it's
got a lot in common with the u K. It's
a it's a it's a trading point, you know, it's
it's a nation of traders. You think obviously, we know,
we think about the ancient silt written and things like that.
But the amount of trade would have come through through
this place in over the century. It's a remarkable, no wonder.
It's this melting pot of cultures as well as as
(29:09):
well as occupying a strategic position, are you.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Still a trading nation or as a key starmer bend
trading and farming.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
We're pretty good at llowing in lots of imports. I'm
not sure we're having a particularly great time at the moment.
It certainly feels pretty bleak as a farmer, mind you.
I'm saying that I realized that I'm on holiday in Turkey,
which you know, which for the UK is just is
just a few hours. But it feels pretty exotic to
be here talking about what a tough time we're having
(29:41):
in farming. But it's been pretty head down since I reckon,
probably the last week in June. So now I've deserved
a few days out.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yeah, fair enough, Tom the Inn if you your National
Farmers Union, the equivalent of a Federated Farmers has had
a letter writing campaign. Apparently farmers have written twelve thousand
US to five hundred and fifty MP's in just twelve days.
And if that's not enough, this is over the inheritance
taxt On November the twenty sixth, they're going to drive
their tractors yet again into Westminster. I wonder whether you're
(30:11):
going to take yours to coincide with the Chancellor's autumn budget.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
I reckon, I absolute leave now to get there for
November the twenty sixth. I won't be but it's a
really really important day last year the budget was in
the more traditional time said it's thirtieth of October, and
that's of course when we first heard, and actually when
the Department for the Environment include Rural Affairs, I think
first heard that there will be these changes to the
(30:38):
inheritance tax exemptions that we I was going to say, enjoy,
but actually that we really need as farmers to continue
to operate family business as we do. But it's something
which we've been really campaigning about for the last year,
since that last budget. And interestingly, I think everybody, probably
about apart from I don't know half a dozen people
(31:01):
who could sit around the same table in Treasury think
it's a terrible idea what they're planning at the moment.
In reducing those restrictions. They are penalizing family businesses and
actually still permitting people to commit low level tax avoidance.
So they're really they're really missing on both of those goals.
But very recently the Secretary of State for Defra has
(31:22):
went on the radio and said she said there is
no way that the Treasury will be looking to change
those previously announced exemptions. So of course, Jamie, you know
they probably are going to That's what they do, isn't it.
They say that they're not going to and then they do,
or they say that they're going to do something and
then they don't. So we are hopeful. I don't think
(31:42):
we're optimistic, but I think we're hopeful that there may
well be a change of revision, an amendment to the
current plans. Then it certainly needs to be.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
You're an arable farmer just north of London. I guess
effectively as you hit out of your light autumn and
to the winter period. Of course northern hemisphere opposite seasons
to us, this is effectively your off season. That's why
you're holidaying in this standball Tom.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
That's right. We're just really quieted down because we've had
such a hot, dry summer. I think we're the hottest
dry sum record and I don't know, but certainly very hot,
very dry. It's really been non stop since that last
week in June when we've gone and went into a
very early harvest straight through into infortunately really good conditions
after that dry, dry summer for autumn planting, and we
(32:30):
put our last last field of winter soon beams in
two weeks last Friday. So yeah, we're just starting quite
down now. If you want to feel sorry for us,
we've had the I think we've had the dullest October
on record. There's records going all over the place, but
I think the dullest in terms of the fewest sunshine hours.
But I still think we're going to have a pretty
(32:50):
good autumn. It's nice and dry, the roots will be
getting down and I'm a farmer, so I'm always an
optimist about next harvest.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Now, you're also in England rugby supporter. That makes you
a naturally born optimist. Are you getting back to Twickenham
this weekend for the Test?
Speaker 7 (33:05):
I won't be down there, but i'll be home. I'll
be back at the Northampton Saints ground, which is my
local team. Of course, supplied a lot of the England
top brass, including one Henry Pollock from from our from
our club, so I'll be watching and support of the
cheering on England from Northampton Saints.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
That Henry Pollock is kind of almost a harbrid rugby player,
a super sub, isn't he.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
He's a remarkable guy. I mean he's just got this
this phenomenal want ability, but also this outrageous temperament where
he really kind of riles up the opposition but seems
to you know, doesn't doesn't respond to anything and seems
to crack on. He he's no doubt going to be
targeted as when he comes on. But even even with that,
you know you've seen the last few games, he still
(33:50):
manages to provide a spark and score the odd try
and do us proud. So we're looking forward to cheering
him on on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
It's going to be a one the full Test match.
I hope you get a bonus point. Farmer Tom enjoy Turkey.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
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Speaker 3 (34:13):
Beautiful day in christ churchs for Day two of the
Canterbury amp Show. Now this is a great honor to
have him sitting in on the show. Here is believe
it or not, the Royal Shows Supreme Livestock Judge Richard Lowe.
What is that job? Entail?
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Great title? Isn't it nothing else? Taking? What is it entitle?
Speaker 10 (34:33):
That entitles are after each section judge their supreme animal,
which down the cattle have done? They've done the sheep,
the meat and wall sections. I suppose I saw one
out the horse, big gray, Big Gray mayor won that
or golding. I think it was one that. So after
gem are I have to somehow judge who's the supreme
(34:55):
of all the supremes. It's a bit of a poison chalice,
but it'll be fun.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
Well.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
I hear that the president of the Royal Show, Brent Chamberlin,
was a wee bit worried that you might be open
for brides.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
I am, I am just put it out there.
Speaker 10 (35:08):
All I've been offered so far is a cold steiny afterwards,
which is a bit ranked.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
Really, it should have been a box at least.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
What are you up to these days? Because you're sitting
in for your good mate Hamish Makai today he's been well,
he's kind of been sinburn because we could get you here,
we weren't quite sure where homeless.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
And much cheaper.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
You're much cheaper. Yeah, well he clips the ticket on
the skin. I figure he owes you something.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Yeah, he does owe me a lot, but he has
to earn a buck somehow.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Oh well, he's I think he's doing a pretty fine job.
I'll get remains and there he's doing. He's doing very well.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
What I do.
Speaker 10 (35:45):
We've just built a new home up on the hills
there and just around the corner a couple of valleys
over got a small grazing block of graze, so that
keeps me out of mischief. But then I do a
few days a week for Excel breeding their seamen and
embryo business.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Are you getting a bit dry on the porthills?
Speaker 11 (36:01):
No?
Speaker 10 (36:02):
Or up the top there were still springs, so that's
fairly good. The old porthills have been getting a bit
of moisture. It was North Canterbury that was sort of
with that win the other week when what do they
say seven hundred odd center pivots lost bits and they
were feeling it. But I hear Old David Carter said,
thirty five meals up at Catthill. There's just up the
(36:24):
hern so they'll love it.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Let's have put on your other hat as a former
All Black, how do you reckon? We're going to go
against England twicking them Sunday morning out of time.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
My big worry is and it's that you take their
first half.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
Last week they played well, got a couple of opportunists
tries and then they come out after halftime and if
you look at all the Test matches, I don't know
who's saying what in the break, but they come out
for that first twenty minutes halfter halftime and they look confused.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
Who do we do?
Speaker 10 (36:57):
We do his suggestions first or his I think there's
too much noise. So if they can get that play
a good first half and carry.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
On in the second half, we'll be right.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
The England have named a bit of a bomb squad
on the bench six' two. Split we. Haven't and also
they've picked guys Like George ford in the half backer's
Name i've just. Forgotten they've picked aerial. Specialists so our
back three are in for quite a big day at the.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
Office, yeah but the old, Story, jamie even at your high,
level if you gain the, ball you retain.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
It eventually you'll score.
Speaker 10 (37:31):
A try if you're going to kick it away all the.
Time that's WHAT i can't put up with their box
skating all the. Time keep the ball in, hand have
faith in your ball carriers and keep, on keep on
and put them under.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Pressure because you look at.
Speaker 10 (37:44):
That the reason they've got a bomb squad is theirs
starting fifteen players are not good enough to play eighty.
Minutes we see fellas Like Cameroy Guard Richie mccaorr always
did it played eighteen.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
Minutes eighty. Minutes if you're playing, well stay out there
and do the job.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
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Speaker 3 (38:05):
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Job let's hope The All blacks can do the job
tomorrow morning At. Twickenham good, morning my Name's jamie. McKay
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Better New zealand. Together i'm going to leave you with
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Ruthie's Table 4
For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.