January 29, 2025 • 13 mins
Students across the country are starting to head back to school, and there are some big changes coming from our youngest pupils.
As well as 2025 marking the return of charter schools, primary school students will start to be taught structured literacy and maths this year, as part of a curriculum refresh instituted by Education Minister Erica Stanford.
It comes as test results continue to show declines in achievement across all age groups.
But are these changes enough to reverse falling standards – and are our teachers on board with them?
Today on The Front Page, Newstalk ZB education reporter Shannon Johnstone is with us to what parents need to know about this years changes.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Kyoda. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page,
a daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. Students
across the country are starting to head back to school
and there are some big changes on the way for
our youngest pupils. As well as twenty twenty five marking
(00:26):
the return of charter schools. Primary school students will start
to be taught structured literacy and mass this year as
part of a curriculum refresh brought in by Education Minister
Erica Stanford. It comes as test results continue to show
declines and achievement across all age groups. But are these
(00:47):
changes enough to reverse falling standards and are our teachers
on board with them? Today on the Front Page News,
talg ZB education reporter Shannon Johnstone is with us to
discuss what parents need to know about this year's changes. Shannon,
what are the main education changes being introduced this term
(01:09):
for primary school students?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, So this term primary schools are going to be
required to implement structured approaches to reading and writing that
also encourage to do twenty and forty week phonic checks
for year one students and they'll also be required to
use updated English curriculum for years zero to sixes and
their updated maths curriculum for years zero to eight, and
all schools have to use revised attendance codes and report
(01:34):
daily attendance data.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
This term, what do we mean by structured reading and math?
What actually is that? Because I haven't been to primary
school for a long time and I don't know me
too many children.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Neither do I Chelsea. So structured literacy this is kind
of based on a science of learning approach they call it.
It's a systemic way of teaching kids to read. It
includes things like I talked about before, those phonics checks
in YE one and sort of teaching how sounds and
letters match. When it comes to structure maths, there's a
little bit of confusion, I guess you could say around that.
So there was a newsroom article last year that talked
(02:05):
about this and they said some researchers have said there's
a lack of research into the structured maths approach. Some
have said it doesn't actually exist. The Education Minister Erica Stanford,
she said it's explicit teaching in a structured manner.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
A lot of these changes are coming amidst consistent data
showing that our kids and teens aren't actually achieving at
the same rates as they used to do. What are
some of the recent stats you've seen showing how widespread
this problem actually is.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So when the government announced the structured literacy changes, Education
Minister Erica Stanford, she pointed to data that showed fifty
six percent of year eight students were at the expected
level for reading and only thirty five percent were at
the expected level for writing. Twenty twenty two PISA results
found twenty one percent of fifteen year olds we're at
the lowest reading level and at the same time we've
(02:55):
also seen sort of falling rates of NCAA achievement.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I understand that some controversy though over the statistics the
government used to move forwards its maths changes. For example, Hey.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, so last year the Prime Minister described a total
system failure in teaching maths. He said that based on
twenty twenty three results of the Curriculum Insights and Progress
Study that showed only twenty two percent of students are
working at or above the expected level in year eight,
And like you said, there was a bit of controversy
around those statistics. So the art or educators collective they
(03:30):
criticized the government. They said those results were questionable and
contradict previous national and international studies. They say it wasn't
reflective of a drastic drop and achievement, but instead of
a change in the benchmarking that was being used.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Our education system in New Zealand is changing and we
should talk about it. The last few years, our education
system has been somewhat the shambles. Listen to these stats
from the twenty twenty three CEA provisional achievement rates. Sixty
percent of year eleven students achieving Level one, down from
sixty four point nine percent in twenty twenty two, seventy
(04:10):
two point two percent of year twelve students achieving Level
two down from seventy four point nine and twenty twenty
two sixty two point two of year thirteen students achieving
Level three down from sixty eight point two percent in
twenty twenty two. If we don't have major change, our
future generations will not just suffer from a lack of education,
but our economy will. I because I believe one of
(04:32):
our best future economic indicators is how many kids are
in school and achieving today. So this is what we're
doing to change course and get our education system back
on track.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
How have teachers and educators responded to these changes? Knowing
how burden teachers are, I imagine they haven't really responded
that well.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, so I spoke to NZDI President Repeckerless Sales just
last week and she told me the changes are basically
too much, happening too quickly. She says. There's also been
some issues with getting the new resources for the new curriculum.
She says it hasn't happened as fast as they would
have liked, and apparently some schools still haven't got them.
And an NCDI serve a last year found more than
seventy percent of principles and teachers say the two curricular
(05:22):
changes as requiring too much too fast for it to
actually be effective. They did want the government to either
delay the maths curriculum until next year twenty twenty six,
or leave it to school leaders to decide which of
the two they implement this year.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right, and when we're talking about resources as well, we're
talking about you know, booklets and programs in curriculum and
that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Hey, yeah, the teaching resources needed for implementing these changes.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Right, could there be an option that only one goes
forward this year and the other the next door is
the government pretty hell banned on doing both at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So I looked at the Ministry of Education website today
and they said that schools are required to implement both
from turn one, and I believe some schools are already
starting term one this week, if not this week next week,
so it does sound to me like that's happening.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
The other big change coming this year is the return
of charter schools. How many schools are opening up this
year and where are they popping up?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, so this is obviously quite a big change to education.
We've got seven opening this term. Two of those are
in christ Church, four are in Auckland and one is
in the Far North. There's quite a range of schools
that are opening so Tippany. That is the old Saint
Stephens Malti Boarding School. They are targeting mainly Maldi and
Pacific boys. There's also a Malori immersion school opening. There's
two Australian owned schools that already have successful campuses over
(06:56):
in OZ that are now coming over here. There's a
Creative Arts college, a French school and also some schools
targeting disengaged Youth and Associate Education Minister David Seymour tells
me they're going to continue assessing the seventy eight applications
that they received throughout this year. He reckons we could
see more charter schools opening midyear. And when it comes
to state school conversions, so these are state schools converting
(07:19):
into charter schools. Budget twenty twenty four allowed for thirty
five state school conversions this year and next year, and
David Seymour told me there is interest from state schools.
Last week when I spoke to him, he told me
that they had had two conversations with state schools just
that week, and he reckons that we could see some
open next year.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I've read one report on how some of these schools
were already turning students away before their doors have even opened.
Is that popularity surprising given the controversy that always surrounds
these charter schools. I guess yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I don't know if it's surprising. And we have seen
charter schools before, and I think people do like them
because they offer a kind of a different approach. So
if you had, like a disengaged child, maybe you'd look
at it. If you did really want that Mlori immersion environment.
Maybe you'd be looking at that school in the Far North.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
We're also seeing new school lunches this year as well,
aren't we. What are the big changes there?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, so we've got a new model this year. The
government set objectives which were to provide nutritious lunches at
a cost of three dollars per student per lunch. The
external contract has been awarded to a group called the
School at Lunch Collective and for schools that have been
using an internal and ewe hupu model, they'll have funding
of four dollars per student per meal and access to
(08:34):
government negotiated wholesale ingredients. And every school that was in
that school lunch program last year, I understand, is still
getting a school lunch. It's just a bit of a
different model.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The Act Party has sent out a sweet about school lunches.
Can you explain how sushi is woke?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Look, if you don't get that sushi's woke, I don't
know how to wake you up. But the key message
here is that we are introducing the kinds of foods
that are put in the lunch boxes and the children.
The other seventy five centsive kids who rely on their
parents to send their Dutch.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
New Zealand has a diverse culture, and so why not
one one type of food and promote another one.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Well, first of all, any students of Japanese heritage may
find that it's quite possible for a school to order
the supplies required to make sushi under this model if
they'd like to. So we are not trying to marginalize
students of Japanese heritage or those who would prefer or quinoa.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Are dealing with them all. Why not sushi?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Someone talks to me this morning. I asked them what
hummus was. They said that, you know, wasn't rice, rice
and quinoa.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I had a baby and it wasn't good, right, And
any idea in what the kids will be eating obviously
not sushi or anything work like that.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I think when I saw the announcement, butter chicken was there.
That's not which would be nice. That's a bit woe.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Curriculum, charter schools, lunches, these are all the things that
seem to change with every government. Hay, does this sector
need more long term planning and bipartisan agreement on that
rather than shaking things up every few years. I guess
the constant changes probably aren't helping those pass rates.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I definitely say so. I mean every election we hear
sort of the education unions, the sector group leaders talk
about how education seems to become a bit of a
political football every election, and I think that they're quite
sick of that, and they often also call for a
more bipartisan approach.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And in terms of these charter schools journ and there's
a wide variety there. Hey, have we heard from any
of them?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, I've spoken to a couple of principles that are
opening up their schools this term. So Busy School principal
Muana i Lower their school is opening FIB seven. She
tells me that they've been having a lot of families
come through last week. They're doing a lot of interviews
this week and starting with around fifteen to thirty students. Tippany,
which is opening south of Auckland. I've also spoken to
(11:06):
one of their leaders, Nathan Jury. He said they've seen
strong demand from locals in Auckland, around New Zealand, Australia
and the Pacific and they're opening with around forty students.
And Mastery School Principal Rose mcinary told News Talks a
b this week that they have sixty primary age children
enrolled and more than forty are waitlisted.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's kind of good. I mean, I know that there's
been some controversy around bringing chatter schools back, but especially
if you've got a kid that's so disengaged and doesn't
want to be there and just doesn't some kids just
don't operate within that usual traditional model. Hey, what are
some of the kind of things that these schools do differently.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, So busy school the one I just mentioned that
in Auckland, and they're going to offer a dual approach
of half the week students will be looking at NCA
usual curriculum. Half the week they're going to be doing
work experience more like vocational kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And so this busy school that they say their goal
is to help students build skills that lead them to
meaningful careers. So that's all a part of that.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, absolutely, So having that duel approach of you do
your NCAA curriculum that you need, and at the same
time you're working towards finding a kind of job or career,
getting that experience, getting that skills and.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Just finally Shannon. The cell phone ban, I'm probably I'm
sure you're sick of hearing about this. Any feedback you've
heard about if that's been actually a success or not.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, I think every school has had different experiences. A
lot of schools already had their own kind of cell
phone bands operating. I did talk to Mount Albert Grammar
School principal Patrick Drum. They had brought in a band
before the government enacted ban, and he tells me that
it caused a real kind of culture shift at their school.
He said that they went from students sitting around at
(12:48):
lunchtime just staring at their phones, and now there's rugby
bulls being thrown through windows, which he actually said was
a bit of a positive change, and it was really
nice to see kids out and about again, well kids
being kids.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Hey, I mean cell phones. Even if you go out
with your friend group as an adult and everyone's on
their cell phones, it's disenchanting. So I can't imagine actually
having to learn something with that distraction on your hands. Hey, exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And I think even at lunchtime, you know, ked socializing more,
not just looking at your phones. How can that be
a negative thing?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Thanks for joining us Shannon.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Thank you, Chelsea.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You
can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage
at enzedherld dot co dot nz. The Front Page is
produced by Ethan Sills and Richard Martin, who is also
a sound engineer. I'm Chelsea Daniels. Subscribe to The Front
Page on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts, and
(13:48):
tune in tomorrow for another look behind the headlines.
Kyoda. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page,
a daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. Students
across the country are starting to head back to school
and there are some big changes on the way for
our youngest pupils. As well as twenty twenty five marking
(00:26):
the return of charter schools. Primary school students will start
to be taught structured literacy and mass this year as
part of a curriculum refresh brought in by Education Minister
Erica Stanford. It comes as test results continue to show
declines and achievement across all age groups. But are these
(00:47):
changes enough to reverse falling standards and are our teachers
on board with them? Today on the Front Page News,
talg ZB education reporter Shannon Johnstone is with us to
discuss what parents need to know about this year's changes. Shannon,
what are the main education changes being introduced this term
(01:09):
for primary school students?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, So this term primary schools are going to be
required to implement structured approaches to reading and writing that
also encourage to do twenty and forty week phonic checks
for year one students and they'll also be required to
use updated English curriculum for years zero to sixes and
their updated maths curriculum for years zero to eight, and
all schools have to use revised attendance codes and report
(01:34):
daily attendance data.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
This term, what do we mean by structured reading and math?
What actually is that? Because I haven't been to primary
school for a long time and I don't know me
too many children.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Neither do I Chelsea. So structured literacy this is kind
of based on a science of learning approach they call it.
It's a systemic way of teaching kids to read. It
includes things like I talked about before, those phonics checks
in YE one and sort of teaching how sounds and
letters match. When it comes to structure maths, there's a
little bit of confusion, I guess you could say around that.
So there was a newsroom article last year that talked
(02:05):
about this and they said some researchers have said there's
a lack of research into the structured maths approach. Some
have said it doesn't actually exist. The Education Minister Erica Stanford,
she said it's explicit teaching in a structured manner.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
A lot of these changes are coming amidst consistent data
showing that our kids and teens aren't actually achieving at
the same rates as they used to do. What are
some of the recent stats you've seen showing how widespread
this problem actually is.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So when the government announced the structured literacy changes, Education
Minister Erica Stanford, she pointed to data that showed fifty
six percent of year eight students were at the expected
level for reading and only thirty five percent were at
the expected level for writing. Twenty twenty two PISA results
found twenty one percent of fifteen year olds we're at
the lowest reading level and at the same time we've
(02:55):
also seen sort of falling rates of NCAA achievement.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I understand that some controversy though over the statistics the
government used to move forwards its maths changes. For example, Hey.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, so last year the Prime Minister described a total
system failure in teaching maths. He said that based on
twenty twenty three results of the Curriculum Insights and Progress
Study that showed only twenty two percent of students are
working at or above the expected level in year eight,
And like you said, there was a bit of controversy
around those statistics. So the art or educators collective they
(03:30):
criticized the government. They said those results were questionable and
contradict previous national and international studies. They say it wasn't
reflective of a drastic drop and achievement, but instead of
a change in the benchmarking that was being used.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Our education system in New Zealand is changing and we
should talk about it. The last few years, our education
system has been somewhat the shambles. Listen to these stats
from the twenty twenty three CEA provisional achievement rates. Sixty
percent of year eleven students achieving Level one, down from
sixty four point nine percent in twenty twenty two, seventy
(04:10):
two point two percent of year twelve students achieving Level
two down from seventy four point nine and twenty twenty
two sixty two point two of year thirteen students achieving
Level three down from sixty eight point two percent in
twenty twenty two. If we don't have major change, our
future generations will not just suffer from a lack of education,
but our economy will. I because I believe one of
(04:32):
our best future economic indicators is how many kids are
in school and achieving today. So this is what we're
doing to change course and get our education system back
on track.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
How have teachers and educators responded to these changes? Knowing
how burden teachers are, I imagine they haven't really responded
that well.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, so I spoke to NZDI President Repeckerless Sales just
last week and she told me the changes are basically
too much, happening too quickly. She says. There's also been
some issues with getting the new resources for the new curriculum.
She says it hasn't happened as fast as they would
have liked, and apparently some schools still haven't got them.
And an NCDI serve a last year found more than
seventy percent of principles and teachers say the two curricular
(05:22):
changes as requiring too much too fast for it to
actually be effective. They did want the government to either
delay the maths curriculum until next year twenty twenty six,
or leave it to school leaders to decide which of
the two they implement this year.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right, and when we're talking about resources as well, we're
talking about you know, booklets and programs in curriculum and
that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Hey, yeah, the teaching resources needed for implementing these changes.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Right, could there be an option that only one goes
forward this year and the other the next door is
the government pretty hell banned on doing both at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So I looked at the Ministry of Education website today
and they said that schools are required to implement both
from turn one, and I believe some schools are already
starting term one this week, if not this week next week,
so it does sound to me like that's happening.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
The other big change coming this year is the return
of charter schools. How many schools are opening up this
year and where are they popping up?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, so this is obviously quite a big change to education.
We've got seven opening this term. Two of those are
in christ Church, four are in Auckland and one is
in the Far North. There's quite a range of schools
that are opening so Tippany. That is the old Saint
Stephens Malti Boarding School. They are targeting mainly Maldi and
Pacific boys. There's also a Malori immersion school opening. There's
two Australian owned schools that already have successful campuses over
(06:56):
in OZ that are now coming over here. There's a
Creative Arts college, a French school and also some schools
targeting disengaged Youth and Associate Education Minister David Seymour tells
me they're going to continue assessing the seventy eight applications
that they received throughout this year. He reckons we could
see more charter schools opening midyear. And when it comes
to state school conversions, so these are state schools converting
(07:19):
into charter schools. Budget twenty twenty four allowed for thirty
five state school conversions this year and next year, and
David Seymour told me there is interest from state schools.
Last week when I spoke to him, he told me
that they had had two conversations with state schools just
that week, and he reckons that we could see some
open next year.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I've read one report on how some of these schools
were already turning students away before their doors have even opened.
Is that popularity surprising given the controversy that always surrounds
these charter schools. I guess yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I don't know if it's surprising. And we have seen
charter schools before, and I think people do like them
because they offer a kind of a different approach. So
if you had, like a disengaged child, maybe you'd look
at it. If you did really want that Mlori immersion environment.
Maybe you'd be looking at that school in the Far North.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
We're also seeing new school lunches this year as well,
aren't we. What are the big changes there?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, so we've got a new model this year. The
government set objectives which were to provide nutritious lunches at
a cost of three dollars per student per lunch. The
external contract has been awarded to a group called the
School at Lunch Collective and for schools that have been
using an internal and ewe hupu model, they'll have funding
of four dollars per student per meal and access to
(08:34):
government negotiated wholesale ingredients. And every school that was in
that school lunch program last year, I understand, is still
getting a school lunch. It's just a bit of a
different model.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The Act Party has sent out a sweet about school lunches.
Can you explain how sushi is woke?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Look, if you don't get that sushi's woke, I don't
know how to wake you up. But the key message
here is that we are introducing the kinds of foods
that are put in the lunch boxes and the children.
The other seventy five centsive kids who rely on their
parents to send their Dutch.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
New Zealand has a diverse culture, and so why not
one one type of food and promote another one.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Well, first of all, any students of Japanese heritage may
find that it's quite possible for a school to order
the supplies required to make sushi under this model if
they'd like to. So we are not trying to marginalize
students of Japanese heritage or those who would prefer or quinoa.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Are dealing with them all. Why not sushi?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Someone talks to me this morning. I asked them what
hummus was. They said that, you know, wasn't rice, rice
and quinoa.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I had a baby and it wasn't good, right, And
any idea in what the kids will be eating obviously
not sushi or anything work like that.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I think when I saw the announcement, butter chicken was there.
That's not which would be nice. That's a bit woe.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Curriculum, charter schools, lunches, these are all the things that
seem to change with every government. Hay, does this sector
need more long term planning and bipartisan agreement on that
rather than shaking things up every few years. I guess
the constant changes probably aren't helping those pass rates.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I definitely say so. I mean every election we hear
sort of the education unions, the sector group leaders talk
about how education seems to become a bit of a
political football every election, and I think that they're quite
sick of that, and they often also call for a
more bipartisan approach.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And in terms of these charter schools journ and there's
a wide variety there. Hey, have we heard from any
of them?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, I've spoken to a couple of principles that are
opening up their schools this term. So Busy School principal
Muana i Lower their school is opening FIB seven. She
tells me that they've been having a lot of families
come through last week. They're doing a lot of interviews
this week and starting with around fifteen to thirty students. Tippany,
which is opening south of Auckland. I've also spoken to
(11:06):
one of their leaders, Nathan Jury. He said they've seen
strong demand from locals in Auckland, around New Zealand, Australia
and the Pacific and they're opening with around forty students.
And Mastery School Principal Rose mcinary told News Talks a
b this week that they have sixty primary age children
enrolled and more than forty are waitlisted.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's kind of good. I mean, I know that there's
been some controversy around bringing chatter schools back, but especially
if you've got a kid that's so disengaged and doesn't
want to be there and just doesn't some kids just
don't operate within that usual traditional model. Hey, what are
some of the kind of things that these schools do differently.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, So busy school the one I just mentioned that
in Auckland, and they're going to offer a dual approach
of half the week students will be looking at NCA
usual curriculum. Half the week they're going to be doing
work experience more like vocational kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And so this busy school that they say their goal
is to help students build skills that lead them to
meaningful careers. So that's all a part of that.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, absolutely, So having that duel approach of you do
your NCAA curriculum that you need, and at the same
time you're working towards finding a kind of job or career,
getting that experience, getting that skills and.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Just finally Shannon. The cell phone ban, I'm probably I'm
sure you're sick of hearing about this. Any feedback you've
heard about if that's been actually a success or not.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, I think every school has had different experiences. A
lot of schools already had their own kind of cell
phone bands operating. I did talk to Mount Albert Grammar
School principal Patrick Drum. They had brought in a band
before the government enacted ban, and he tells me that
it caused a real kind of culture shift at their school.
He said that they went from students sitting around at
(12:48):
lunchtime just staring at their phones, and now there's rugby
bulls being thrown through windows, which he actually said was
a bit of a positive change, and it was really
nice to see kids out and about again, well kids
being kids.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Hey, I mean cell phones. Even if you go out
with your friend group as an adult and everyone's on
their cell phones, it's disenchanting. So I can't imagine actually
having to learn something with that distraction on your hands. Hey, exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And I think even at lunchtime, you know, ked socializing more,
not just looking at your phones. How can that be
a negative thing?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Thanks for joining us Shannon.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Thank you, Chelsea.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You
can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage
at enzedherld dot co dot nz. The Front Page is
produced by Ethan Sills and Richard Martin, who is also
a sound engineer. I'm Chelsea Daniels. Subscribe to The Front
Page on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts, and
(13:48):
tune in tomorrow for another look behind the headlines.
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