June 15, 2025 • 18 mins
It was February 19, 2013.
Maree Schafer was excited to start a hairdressing course at the Eastern Institute of Technology the next day.
That night, three cars - a silver Holden Commodore, a blue Ford Falcon, and a grey Nissan Skyline were street racing near Napier.
The Commodore continued through an intersection, going well over 180km/hour, when the driver lost control, slid sideways across the road, and crashed into a tree.
There were three occupants in that car. One was 18-year-old Maree. She died at the scene.
Twelve years later, and boy racer events are still happening.
People are injured, cars totalled, police intimidated, and, people die.
Just last month, riot police clashed with what the Police Minister’s called “cowardly, try-hard idiots” in Levin and Palmerston North – and police are preparing for more gatherings.
Today on The Front Page, Coreen Schafer, Maree’s mother, tells us what she’d say to one of these kids, and what life is like after losing her daughter to street racing.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Kiyota.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a
daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. It was
February nineteenth, two thousand and thirteen. Marie Schaeffer was excited
to start a hairdressing course at the Eastern Institute of
Technology the next day. That night, three cars, a silver
(00:29):
Holding Commodore, a blue Fort Falcon and a Grayness and
Skyline was street racing near Napier. The Commodore continued through
an intersection, going well over one hundred and eighty kilometers
an hour when the driver lost control, slid sideways across
the road and crashed into a tree.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
There were three.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Occupants in that car. One was eighteen year old Marie.
She died at the scene. Twelve years later and boy
racer events are still happening. People are injured, cars to police, intimidated,
and people are still dying. Just last month, riot police
clashed with what the police Minister's calling cowardly tryhard idiots
(01:10):
in Livin and Palmerston North and police are preparing for
more of these gatherings. Today On the Front Page, Kareen Schaeffer,
Marie's mother, tells us what she'd like to say to
one of these kids and what life is like after
losing her daughter to street racing. First off, Karine, can
(01:34):
you tell me about your daughter?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Marie? She was beautiful, She's a I don't know. She
was just the light of the room really, because smile
was all teeth. It was infectious. She loved her sisters,
you know, sisterly love hate that kind of thing. But
(01:58):
you know, she was I'm my best friend. Yeah, she
had so many friends. Yeah, very ditsy though, yeah, No,
she was just everything.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Was my firstborn, firstborn. And she was going to hairdressing.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, she was going to e she was supposed to
start the morning after the crash.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
What happened on February nineteenth, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, I was at work, just going about an normal thing,
and Marie was getting all excited about going to AIT.
And my sister had said, oh, come and stay here
the night, you know, don't stay with your boyfriend, come
and have an early night. But no, Marie wanted to
do your own thing, and she sent one of those
chain mail texts things. And by the time I finished
(02:45):
work it was about halbus ten eleven hour. So I
won't text you back she might be asleep. Then about
have us twelve in the morning, I heard a knock
on the door and it was just a knock, and
I didn't think anything of it, and I looked at
and I didn't know the car, so I just didn't
answer the door. And then it would have been a
couple of hours later. The knock was a knock that
(03:08):
you'll never get out of your head. And I knew
I had to get up for this knock. And as
soon as I opened the door and I saw the police,
I know, I fell to the floor. I screamed. That
was the end of my world right at that moment.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, so you knew something was wrong even just before
you even answered the door.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, it's just a mom instinct. I think I had
to get up for that knock, not the other knock.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
What was your first thought and feelings when you heard
what had actually happened.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I was livered. I was so angry that his stupid
boyfriend at the time and your best friend decided to
be a cool idea to get into the cars and
have a race. They make tracks for racing, not streets. Yeah,
I was really really pissed off. I was I can't
(04:04):
describe it. It's just, yeah, it was done. I've got
a lot of other words for it, but I want
to say those words.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I mean, I bet that was a really confusing feeling
as well, because you've just lost your daughter, your best friend,
but feeling angry with her as well. Has that anger passed?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
It's got better. I mean, doesn't matter how angry I
am with her or the others involved, I'll never have
a home. So I've learned to live with the anger.
But I still get really angry when I see the
crep that goes on on the TV and I think, well,
I hope no one knocks on your parents' door. Well.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
The four young men who killed Marie were the first
in the country to be sentenced under the new anti
boy racer laws. At the time, though it was called
the Sentencing Vehicle Confiscation and men An Act. Yeah, tell
me about the court process, because not only did you
lose your daughter in such a horrific way and you're
dealing with that, you're dealing with that trauma, but then
(05:11):
you have to go through and how was that.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I would never want to do it again. Ever. It
was an emotional rollercoaster every day just being in court
seeing them and then not really showing remorse.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
You know. It's just.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I really did want to leap up and hit them,
but then I would have been probably in a contempt
of court. I don't know. But Corey Eubls, he was
the policeman at the time. He was great. He would
set us down before we went to court and just
have a talk and no, he was great. We sort
of knew what was going to be coming when we
(05:53):
were in the courtroom, but to see and hear it
and like how it happened, speed they were going. Just
looking at the state of the car, it was just horrible.
Just yeah, there's nothing you want to be doing at all.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Can you remember how you felt at the time. Were
you happy with their sentences? Nah? Nah?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
They got off lightly, they really did. It wasn't enough.
And they're going to crush cars, you know, boy races cars.
They're going to crush them. And I don't see much
happening at all. The car Marie was and was a
complete right off. So that was just a goner. But
I just things need to be done, things need to change,
(06:38):
and if they're going to bring a Laura like that,
stick to it, don't you. Know, beat around the bush,
don't just sweep it under the mat. Something has to
be done.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well. The fact of the matter is that this is
thirteen years without Marie and we're still seeing this kind
of thing happening.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
What does that bring up for you when you see
that kind of stuff on the telly?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
The same emotions back to day one, back to their
knock on the door. It's you relive it all the time.
And I haven't told my other daughters that were one
sitting next to me, But I haven't told my daughters.
That's how I feel every time the siren goes off,
or if I know that they've gone in the car,
or like my twins, like getting into cars with people.
(07:24):
They've all had the mum word of all. I'm frightened,
you know, and I shouldn't have to feel that way,
but that is part of the reality of your child
getting killed by a stupid cars.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It's the government's view that the current laws are not
adequate enough to deal with the harm that boy racers cause.
We want to toughen things up, really crack down and
make sure that the law sends a very clear message
that a legal street racing is not going to be
tolerated in our communities and sends it a terrant message
to say that boy races is enough. So we've decided
(07:59):
upon package of changes, the centerpiece of which is a
new presumption in all that the legal street racing, or
taking part in an intimidating plot point, or failing to
stop for police, or indeed failing to identify an offending
boy racer will result in the four foot infrastruction of
(08:21):
a car owned by a boy racer.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Last month, the government announced a few tougher penalties. So
that means that convicted fleeing drivers, boy racers and people
participating in intimidating convoys they call them, will have their
vehicles destroyed or forfeited. Do you think that goes far enough?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
No, because I'll just go and pick up another shipbox
retreat and they'll use that. There's always going to be
a car for somebody to get. Why don't they send
them to jail. Why don't they get those people to
go and knock on the door and tell them, oh sorry,
Why don't they walk on the shoes of the parents.
I was getting fast and they think that they're invincible,
(09:05):
you know, And then the dumb people that stand there
and watch them. You know, it's an accident waiting to happen.
But something needs to be done. And honestly, I don't
think what kind of law brought in will change it,
because there's the kids will always find a way around it.
It's like anything, something needs to be done. But I
do not want to know what.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Do you think that if there was any more education,
or if the kids knew. I mean, because kids know, though,
don't they like it's just they just don't want to listen,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, like Marin Yo that night, but I don't think
she will. She wouldn't have wanted the outcome to be
the way it was. And I think in the moment,
kids think, yes, this is going to be great, but
they don't think of the consequence. They don't think long term.
(09:59):
You know, maybe they should go and visit people that
have been paralyzed and stuff like that through car ra
saying and people being hit and they can't walk, they
can't talk, you know, don't let them go and do
their keys for a day, or let them go and
see what it's like. You know, does that person's lost
out in a lot of life?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Karen, if you could come face to face with one
of these kids, say in Levin, for example, who are
taking part in this mass boy racer meet up, driving dangerously,
disobeying police, acting tough. If you could set one of
them down, face to face, what would you say to them.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I'll show them the photo of Maurice's carfist photo of
my daughter and say this could possibly be you, and
then just tell them what happened, because being smart don't
save your life. Being a smart ass don't save your life. Yeah.
I would just probably tell them what I I'm telling you,
but in harsher turns, my anger would probably come out
(11:06):
a lot more than it is on right now.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Do you ever think if that night didn't happen, where
would Marie be now?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yep? Every day, I reckon she'd have her own Caslon Alex,
her sister, the other big sister. She reckons she'd be
a millionnaire by now, because she even though she acted them,
she was very, very smart, and she reckons she would
have been up there with the top. Yep, she would
have gone far. She would have got rid of that
stupid boyfriend that was in the other car. She had.
(11:37):
She haded life, make out, she knew what she wanted
to do. Yeap, she would have been great. We almost
having her around so much. She'd be able to hold
her nephews and kick your sister's asses when they need it,
you know, just things like that. But she would have
She would have gone far in her.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Life, even if it is what twelve years ago now,
I bet you could. I bet that not just feels
like yesterday.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Very knock every fire sign yep, I just go ah
ship here we go. I just yeah, I just it's
not it's not fun, you know, And these things are
embedded in me now. I never used to care, but
I do now. It's just the fear of maybe somebody
else that we know, hopefully not one of my family,
(12:24):
to anybody. It's just not it's not the nice knock.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Is there anything else that you want to add?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I just want to grow up. Grow up, stop acting
like smart asses. Get your ship together. You know why
I spend all that money on shipbox cars? Why why
do that? Get an education, Get a job, you know,
do something with your life. Don't waste it on a car,
(12:51):
And for Christ's sake, don't kill anybody. Well, if you do,
I hope you get done really good for it.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It's just that I remember where I was looking looking
back to when I was eighteen, seventeen eighteen, and my god,
it's that time in your life when you just think
you're invincible and you've got this road, not literally, but
a road of life ahead of you. You've got so
many things, and it just feels so far away, and
you just think you've got all this time.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You don't. Time is precious. Time is precious. Don't waste
your time, not on a street race. It's not worth it.
And one day the cops will catch you. And it's
just I don't know. I don't know how to explain it.
But kids are so thick, not all of them, but
you know, you know, there's a majority of them that
are pretty thick. And maybe it'll take for one of
their family members, or for them to kill one of
(13:41):
their family members to realize that it wasn't really such
a great idea at the time. Maybe then they'll think
about it. Until then, are we going to know? Is
the all going to do anything? I don't know. My
daughter and I were talking about it today and she
said it even if we had a track for them
to go and do it legally, you know, but then
you're still going to get the muppets that will do
(14:03):
it on the road, you know, just just think it's firm.
It ain't fun. So I really don't know what we
can do about it.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
We really don't need people glorifying this sort of behavior,
and we're going to stamp it out with these laws.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Legislation introduced today means anyone posting or sharing violent or
illegal acts on social media could face up to two
years in prison, regardless of whether anyone in the post
was charged, the Attorney General stopping short of saying it
was prompted by a rise in youth crime.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I think we're seeing people do stupid things like this
across the board, people doing really stupid things in cars
or fights on streets and glorifying this sort of criminal behavior.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I was looking up some laws over in Aussie because
everything in Australia seems ten years ahead in terms of
laws and how everything's going, and they all them hounds
over there, and in Queensland they brought in a law
called posting and boasting mm hm. So that's when if
you're going above the speed limit, if you're doing a
stupid video in your car and you're going you know,
(15:13):
one eighty or whatever, and you post it online, then
you can the maximum penalty is five years.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
That needs to be done over here then simple, simple.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I mean, because those spectators are participating as well and
egging people on.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
A those people can go to jail too. I don't
know why we haven't got harsh laws, to be quite honest,
I think that would be a great idea, But then
our prison system wouldn't be able to cope with the
amount of people that would have to go in, you know,
So how can you work it? If she hadn't died,
(15:47):
I would have been marching her down to the police
station and handing her in for being part of it.
So you know, that would have been her consequence. You know.
I think parents need to get harder as well. Do
they know what their kids are doing on Saturday night?
Have they taken mummy's car out for a drive?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I just want something done, Like I said, I just
want respect from Marie. She needs respect. I don't want
her death in vain watching all the other kids out
there just getting away with.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
It because so many lives have been lost, like young
lives as well, was just so much ahead of them,
like Marie Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, it's a waste. It's a real waste. But we'll
never go back. We've only got memories.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
You know, what's one of your favorite memories?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Oh god, there's so many. Probably her making me pumpkin soup.
It was a good thing, all pretending. Like when I
got home from work, be at like ten o'clock at night,
she knew the dog wasn't allowed to be inside, and
then she'd hear the gate and opposite the dog got
(17:01):
thrown out the door. Or living right across the road
from college, and she was always late to school. We're
going to live right across the right, opposite the school.
She was always late every day, every day she was
late to school. There was just silly, little stupid things
like that, just you know, teaching her to drive my car.
(17:22):
One day, driving along and there was a corner coming
up and she's pointing, look, look, look there's a dog.
There's a dog, And we said, chat, there's a corner.
But what I missed the most about it is just
her love, her compassion for her sisters, just her love
for everybody. Yeah, and it's silly, big grin. Yeah, if
(17:45):
you felt like shit, should soon make you feel better.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, that's it for this episode of the Front Page.
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(18:12):
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Kiyota.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a
daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. It was
February nineteenth, two thousand and thirteen. Marie Schaeffer was excited
to start a hairdressing course at the Eastern Institute of
Technology the next day. That night, three cars, a silver
(00:29):
Holding Commodore, a blue Fort Falcon and a Grayness and
Skyline was street racing near Napier. The Commodore continued through
an intersection, going well over one hundred and eighty kilometers
an hour when the driver lost control, slid sideways across
the road and crashed into a tree.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
There were three.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Occupants in that car. One was eighteen year old Marie.
She died at the scene. Twelve years later and boy
racer events are still happening. People are injured, cars to police, intimidated,
and people are still dying. Just last month, riot police
clashed with what the police Minister's calling cowardly tryhard idiots
(01:10):
in Livin and Palmerston North and police are preparing for
more of these gatherings. Today On the Front Page, Kareen Schaeffer,
Marie's mother, tells us what she'd like to say to
one of these kids and what life is like after
losing her daughter to street racing. First off, Karine, can
(01:34):
you tell me about your daughter?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Marie? She was beautiful, She's a I don't know. She
was just the light of the room really, because smile
was all teeth. It was infectious. She loved her sisters,
you know, sisterly love hate that kind of thing. But
(01:58):
you know, she was I'm my best friend. Yeah, she
had so many friends. Yeah, very ditsy though, yeah, No,
she was just everything.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Was my firstborn, firstborn. And she was going to hairdressing.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, she was going to e she was supposed to
start the morning after the crash.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
What happened on February nineteenth, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, I was at work, just going about an normal thing,
and Marie was getting all excited about going to AIT.
And my sister had said, oh, come and stay here
the night, you know, don't stay with your boyfriend, come
and have an early night. But no, Marie wanted to
do your own thing, and she sent one of those
chain mail texts things. And by the time I finished
(02:45):
work it was about halbus ten eleven hour. So I
won't text you back she might be asleep. Then about
have us twelve in the morning, I heard a knock
on the door and it was just a knock, and
I didn't think anything of it, and I looked at
and I didn't know the car, so I just didn't
answer the door. And then it would have been a
couple of hours later. The knock was a knock that
(03:08):
you'll never get out of your head. And I knew
I had to get up for this knock. And as
soon as I opened the door and I saw the police,
I know, I fell to the floor. I screamed. That
was the end of my world right at that moment.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, so you knew something was wrong even just before
you even answered the door.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, it's just a mom instinct. I think I had
to get up for that knock, not the other knock.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
What was your first thought and feelings when you heard
what had actually happened.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I was livered. I was so angry that his stupid
boyfriend at the time and your best friend decided to
be a cool idea to get into the cars and
have a race. They make tracks for racing, not streets. Yeah,
I was really really pissed off. I was I can't
(04:04):
describe it. It's just, yeah, it was done. I've got
a lot of other words for it, but I want
to say those words.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I mean, I bet that was a really confusing feeling
as well, because you've just lost your daughter, your best friend,
but feeling angry with her as well. Has that anger passed?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
It's got better. I mean, doesn't matter how angry I
am with her or the others involved, I'll never have
a home. So I've learned to live with the anger.
But I still get really angry when I see the
crep that goes on on the TV and I think, well,
I hope no one knocks on your parents' door. Well.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
The four young men who killed Marie were the first
in the country to be sentenced under the new anti
boy racer laws. At the time, though it was called
the Sentencing Vehicle Confiscation and men An Act. Yeah, tell
me about the court process, because not only did you
lose your daughter in such a horrific way and you're
dealing with that, you're dealing with that trauma, but then
(05:11):
you have to go through and how was that.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I would never want to do it again. Ever. It
was an emotional rollercoaster every day just being in court
seeing them and then not really showing remorse.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
You know. It's just.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I really did want to leap up and hit them,
but then I would have been probably in a contempt
of court. I don't know. But Corey Eubls, he was
the policeman at the time. He was great. He would
set us down before we went to court and just
have a talk and no, he was great. We sort
of knew what was going to be coming when we
(05:53):
were in the courtroom, but to see and hear it
and like how it happened, speed they were going. Just
looking at the state of the car, it was just horrible.
Just yeah, there's nothing you want to be doing at all.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Can you remember how you felt at the time. Were
you happy with their sentences? Nah? Nah?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
They got off lightly, they really did. It wasn't enough.
And they're going to crush cars, you know, boy races cars.
They're going to crush them. And I don't see much
happening at all. The car Marie was and was a
complete right off. So that was just a goner. But
I just things need to be done, things need to change,
(06:38):
and if they're going to bring a Laura like that,
stick to it, don't you. Know, beat around the bush,
don't just sweep it under the mat. Something has to
be done.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well. The fact of the matter is that this is
thirteen years without Marie and we're still seeing this kind
of thing happening.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
What does that bring up for you when you see
that kind of stuff on the telly?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
The same emotions back to day one, back to their
knock on the door. It's you relive it all the time.
And I haven't told my other daughters that were one
sitting next to me, But I haven't told my daughters.
That's how I feel every time the siren goes off,
or if I know that they've gone in the car,
or like my twins, like getting into cars with people.
(07:24):
They've all had the mum word of all. I'm frightened,
you know, and I shouldn't have to feel that way,
but that is part of the reality of your child
getting killed by a stupid cars.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It's the government's view that the current laws are not
adequate enough to deal with the harm that boy racers cause.
We want to toughen things up, really crack down and
make sure that the law sends a very clear message
that a legal street racing is not going to be
tolerated in our communities and sends it a terrant message
to say that boy races is enough. So we've decided
(07:59):
upon package of changes, the centerpiece of which is a
new presumption in all that the legal street racing, or
taking part in an intimidating plot point, or failing to
stop for police, or indeed failing to identify an offending
boy racer will result in the four foot infrastruction of
(08:21):
a car owned by a boy racer.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Last month, the government announced a few tougher penalties. So
that means that convicted fleeing drivers, boy racers and people
participating in intimidating convoys they call them, will have their
vehicles destroyed or forfeited. Do you think that goes far enough?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
No, because I'll just go and pick up another shipbox
retreat and they'll use that. There's always going to be
a car for somebody to get. Why don't they send
them to jail. Why don't they get those people to
go and knock on the door and tell them, oh sorry,
Why don't they walk on the shoes of the parents.
I was getting fast and they think that they're invincible,
(09:05):
you know, And then the dumb people that stand there
and watch them. You know, it's an accident waiting to happen.
But something needs to be done. And honestly, I don't
think what kind of law brought in will change it,
because there's the kids will always find a way around it.
It's like anything, something needs to be done. But I
do not want to know what.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Do you think that if there was any more education,
or if the kids knew. I mean, because kids know, though,
don't they like it's just they just don't want to listen,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, like Marin Yo that night, but I don't think
she will. She wouldn't have wanted the outcome to be
the way it was. And I think in the moment,
kids think, yes, this is going to be great, but
they don't think of the consequence. They don't think long term.
(09:59):
You know, maybe they should go and visit people that
have been paralyzed and stuff like that through car ra
saying and people being hit and they can't walk, they
can't talk, you know, don't let them go and do
their keys for a day, or let them go and
see what it's like. You know, does that person's lost
out in a lot of life?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Karen, if you could come face to face with one
of these kids, say in Levin, for example, who are
taking part in this mass boy racer meet up, driving dangerously,
disobeying police, acting tough. If you could set one of
them down, face to face, what would you say to them.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I'll show them the photo of Maurice's carfist photo of
my daughter and say this could possibly be you, and
then just tell them what happened, because being smart don't
save your life. Being a smart ass don't save your life. Yeah.
I would just probably tell them what I I'm telling you,
but in harsher turns, my anger would probably come out
(11:06):
a lot more than it is on right now.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Do you ever think if that night didn't happen, where
would Marie be now?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yep? Every day, I reckon she'd have her own Caslon Alex,
her sister, the other big sister. She reckons she'd be
a millionnaire by now, because she even though she acted them,
she was very, very smart, and she reckons she would
have been up there with the top. Yep, she would
have gone far. She would have got rid of that
stupid boyfriend that was in the other car. She had.
(11:37):
She haded life, make out, she knew what she wanted
to do. Yeap, she would have been great. We almost
having her around so much. She'd be able to hold
her nephews and kick your sister's asses when they need it,
you know, just things like that. But she would have
She would have gone far in her.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Life, even if it is what twelve years ago now,
I bet you could. I bet that not just feels
like yesterday.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Very knock every fire sign yep, I just go ah
ship here we go. I just yeah, I just it's
not it's not fun, you know, And these things are
embedded in me now. I never used to care, but
I do now. It's just the fear of maybe somebody
else that we know, hopefully not one of my family,
(12:24):
to anybody. It's just not it's not the nice knock.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Is there anything else that you want to add?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I just want to grow up. Grow up, stop acting
like smart asses. Get your ship together. You know why
I spend all that money on shipbox cars? Why why
do that? Get an education, Get a job, you know,
do something with your life. Don't waste it on a car,
(12:51):
And for Christ's sake, don't kill anybody. Well, if you do,
I hope you get done really good for it.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It's just that I remember where I was looking looking
back to when I was eighteen, seventeen eighteen, and my god,
it's that time in your life when you just think
you're invincible and you've got this road, not literally, but
a road of life ahead of you. You've got so
many things, and it just feels so far away, and
you just think you've got all this time.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You don't. Time is precious. Time is precious. Don't waste
your time, not on a street race. It's not worth it.
And one day the cops will catch you. And it's
just I don't know. I don't know how to explain it.
But kids are so thick, not all of them, but
you know, you know, there's a majority of them that
are pretty thick. And maybe it'll take for one of
their family members, or for them to kill one of
(13:41):
their family members to realize that it wasn't really such
a great idea at the time. Maybe then they'll think
about it. Until then, are we going to know? Is
the all going to do anything? I don't know. My
daughter and I were talking about it today and she
said it even if we had a track for them
to go and do it legally, you know, but then
you're still going to get the muppets that will do
(14:03):
it on the road, you know, just just think it's firm.
It ain't fun. So I really don't know what we
can do about it.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
We really don't need people glorifying this sort of behavior,
and we're going to stamp it out with these laws.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Legislation introduced today means anyone posting or sharing violent or
illegal acts on social media could face up to two
years in prison, regardless of whether anyone in the post
was charged, the Attorney General stopping short of saying it
was prompted by a rise in youth crime.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I think we're seeing people do stupid things like this
across the board, people doing really stupid things in cars
or fights on streets and glorifying this sort of criminal behavior.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I was looking up some laws over in Aussie because
everything in Australia seems ten years ahead in terms of
laws and how everything's going, and they all them hounds
over there, and in Queensland they brought in a law
called posting and boasting mm hm. So that's when if
you're going above the speed limit, if you're doing a
stupid video in your car and you're going you know,
(15:13):
one eighty or whatever, and you post it online, then
you can the maximum penalty is five years.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
That needs to be done over here then simple, simple.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I mean, because those spectators are participating as well and
egging people on.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
A those people can go to jail too. I don't
know why we haven't got harsh laws, to be quite honest,
I think that would be a great idea, But then
our prison system wouldn't be able to cope with the
amount of people that would have to go in, you know,
So how can you work it? If she hadn't died,
(15:47):
I would have been marching her down to the police
station and handing her in for being part of it.
So you know, that would have been her consequence. You know.
I think parents need to get harder as well. Do
they know what their kids are doing on Saturday night?
Have they taken mummy's car out for a drive?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I just want something done, Like I said, I just
want respect from Marie. She needs respect. I don't want
her death in vain watching all the other kids out
there just getting away with.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
It because so many lives have been lost, like young
lives as well, was just so much ahead of them,
like Marie Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, it's a waste. It's a real waste. But we'll
never go back. We've only got memories.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
You know, what's one of your favorite memories?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Oh god, there's so many. Probably her making me pumpkin soup.
It was a good thing, all pretending. Like when I
got home from work, be at like ten o'clock at night,
she knew the dog wasn't allowed to be inside, and
then she'd hear the gate and opposite the dog got
(17:01):
thrown out the door. Or living right across the road
from college, and she was always late to school. We're
going to live right across the right, opposite the school.
She was always late every day, every day she was
late to school. There was just silly, little stupid things
like that, just you know, teaching her to drive my car.
(17:22):
One day, driving along and there was a corner coming
up and she's pointing, look, look, look there's a dog.
There's a dog, And we said, chat, there's a corner.
But what I missed the most about it is just
her love, her compassion for her sisters, just her love
for everybody. Yeah, and it's silly, big grin. Yeah, if
(17:45):
you felt like shit, should soon make you feel better.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, that's it for this episode of the Front Page.
You can read more about today's stories and extensive news
cover bridge at enzedherld dot co dot nz. The Front
Page is produced by Ethan Sills and Richard Martin, who
is also a sound engineer. I'm Chelsea Daniels. Subscribe to
(18:12):
the Front Page on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts,
and tune in tomorrow for another look behind the headlines.
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