November 9, 2024 • 40 mins
As we enter the final stretch of the year, many people over-commit to different Christmas parties and productions.
Health and well-being coach Kent Johns joins Tim Beveridge to discuss how to maintain your self-care over the busy festive season.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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And my guest this hour is well, he's well known
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to the show. In fact, it's quite well known to
z B, having spent a bit of time in the
airwaves going.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Back quite a while now. But as Kent John's good,
I ken, yeah, we'll be a few years now.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
How long is it since you were a sports sort of.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Since I was flicked, Since since I was wasn't since
this company just urfed me and my colleagues. They just
so flagrantly four and a half years.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Can you believe that?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, March of twenty twenty, right in the guts of COVID.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Gosh, time flies, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
And then we came back four or six weeks later
and we did a one off now and so I
was back in the chair for thirty minutes I think
it was, and that was it all.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
She wrote, Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So you as people know you're you're a health than
wellbeing coach Kent John'shealth dot co dot nz. But you
you've got another gig you've mentioned just before we went on.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I just wanted to about the new gig, the new
job that I've picked up. So I'm working for a
health clinic and new market called Autonomy and it's quite
a good name, Tim, given that we want you to
be autonomous.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
With your own health.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
So the thing, I've said this to you before, and
this is my view. The power of health is not
in medication. It's not in what the GP says, it's
not in what the specialists might tell you. The power
is in your own hands. We don't have to get
as sick as we are, and most of the chronic
health diseases that we might even mention some of them
today largely a largely avoidable.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Yeah, the old radio gag still got it.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Largely avoidable, preventable, and in some cases reversible. So I've
started a new job there Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Would love
to hear from people. If you want to come in
and have a consultation, coming and have a chat, talk
about how you're doing.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
I love to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So people that go to go to see you at
this place, what are they looking for?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
There are three types of people who will come into
the clinic. There are the optimizers, the real the fitness
guys and women who are wanting an edge. There are
then people who are not feeling particularly good, something's gone wrong,
the middle aged men a lot of the time in
their forties early fifties, starting to feel a worried about
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their worried about their energy levels, a lot of inflammation.
The GP may have said, hey, look you need to
sort yourself out. And then the third group of people
are the people who are sick, who have chronic disease
like type two diabetes or obesity or cardiovascular disease, and
they need an intervention. So we're working with any anyone
who wants to be healthy you, which is a huge
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percentage of the population by the way. So that's what
we're doing. It's hard to get to work with a team.
And we've got some wonderful people, some people like minded,
same as me, passionate, enthusiastic, it's neat excellent.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Well, they don't keep you out of mischief.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Now, what we want to talk about, which sort of
ties into that, it is that time of the year.
You just feel like creeping up the end of the year,
and a lot of people will say they get into
be a burnout.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
People feel over committed. There's so many things.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I mean, you've got schools wrapping up, and exams and
kids and Christmas shopping and planning the holiday and all
that sort of thing. And actually, we want your calls
on this. Do you get burnt out at the end
of the year, And if you don't, how do you
avoid it? And let's not catastrophize everything. But you know,
there are a lot of people sometimes it's some career
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dependent as well, where there's certain careers where you just
feel absolutely bugger at the.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
End of the year. Are you do you get burnout?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I learned from this a few years ago. I haven't
allowed myself to go down that path again. But for me,
when I was doing radio breakfast Radio here tim the
worst month of the year for me, the hardest month
mentally was November. I would always struggle in November because
I'd come back from labor weekend. And I now call
this the sprint finish. Everyone's sprinting for home. Now we
can smell the holidays, we can see the finish line,
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and we then overload on work, we overload on social
commitments at exactly the time, and we're probably struggling on
low fuel from what has been a busy off and
turbulent year. And so I remember just running into a
wall in November thinking, my god, I've still got seven
eight weeks to go. I'm so bloody close, and I've
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still got seven or eight weeks to go. So one
year I actually had some leve up my sleeve and
decided to take four or five days in November. That
was a game changer, really, So it's actually not a
bad tool if you've got extra leave and you can
if you can, and you can, you can use one, two,
three extra days across this month, are you able to
do that?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Just to slow things down a little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Actually, I it's.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Also wonder does this I mean, I'm not sure what
my social calendar is like over Christmas. It's not hugely busy.
Don't could particularly get invited too many places these days.
But look, but it's going to too many Christmas parties
and all that as part of the burnout.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I don't know, just accepting every invitation you get to
catch up. We've got to go around such and such
as even Christmas drengths, and then next such and such
we've gotta do this. Is it the partying that wears out?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I think it contributes. But if you say yes to everything,
it's great for the first week or two, and then
by week three, week four, heading into Christmas, you're like, oh,
another party. It'll be more alcohol, more sugar, more bad food,
more late nights, whatever it might be. But I think
also tim around people. We've got this intriguing set up
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here in New Zealand and also elsewhere in the Southern
Hemisphere where our holidays align perfectly with the end.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Of the year.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well that seems logical, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
But then we get six weeks off for the school holidays,
whereas in the Northern and the likes kids.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Get six weeks.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Yeah, like kids get six weeks.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
But elsewhere America, UK, Europe, it's not quite that. I
think they've got a better balance, whereas in Australasia we've
just got this mad sprint to the finish and then
I think people collapse into their break, which is not
a great thing. And so I've done that, I've been there,
I've done it multiple times. I really manage my time
now after labor weekend to ensure that I don't get
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sick like I used to.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think there's a simple explanation for them other countries
having the holidays at a different time. It's in the
northern Hemisphere they do the summertime, I guess, don't they
Otherwise they'd be taking six weeks in winter and no
one really wants to do that unless you're a keen
scaler like me.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yes, which I would love.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
But they I don't know if they have them. I
don't think they have that mindset of hey, I'm going
to sprint as hard as I can and then collapse
into a holiday, which is what you see here. So
we've talked about burnout on this program before. Burnout rates
in New Zealand proper burnout from work number one, but
also home life has never been high?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Right now, what is burnout?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Because it's a very emotive phrase, it is, so I mean, yeah,
what has burnout?
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Well?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
World Health Organization classified burnout only five years ago, which
so it's good we've actually got some information now. They've
classified it essentially as chronic workplace stress that goes unchecked.
So it's chronic stress over time that then is not
sorted out, not dealt with, so things get worse and
it shows up in a lot of tiredness, fatigue, emotion,
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maybe lashing out, frustration, doing things that you ordinarily wouldn't do,
a lot of maybe a few tears. You're prone to
crying a little bit, You're prone to outbursts. You're prone
to disliking your colleagues more, you don't feel as productive
at work. That can be very real, or it can
be perceived. Your colleagues may not even know that. And
it also aligns with disharmony, lack of engagement, looking around
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for work, looking for another job, not being committed to
the tasks that you're doing, things that you used to
taking your stride now bug the heck out of you
little things start to get on your work.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
That's burnout.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
And what we now know too is, of course the
financial pressure that people are facing at home to they're
now then bringing that to work. So you've got people
turning up to work who are highly stressed, highly worried,
highly anxious about interest rates, about food prices, and now
that's projecting into their demeanor in the office. So there's
a lot to think about there, and it gets why
is the year goes on because we're running on fumes
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by November.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I was actually just reflecting on that when you were
talking about what it is, and I think the sign
for me when I'm getting a bit and oh, look
I do. I do strange hours, so sometimes I get
a bit jaded with the overnights too. It's just a
couple of nights a week, but it's a weird. It's
not enough to do it regularly that you get used
to it. So but I've reckoned worked out For me,
it's when I've started to develop less patience with the
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kids and I might snap at them in a way
that might make me think I've got to go and
apologize once I've calmed down.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
That's my sign.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
But The way I actually do cope with it is
I just tell myself that I've I think to me,
it's I just forced myself to drop that to do
list of things when I really should be looking after
them after school, and I think, which is.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Hard to do. If you've got a lot on your plate.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Sometimes you've just got that's I think that's the hardest
thing for me, and it might be for a lot
of other people. If you've got kids and you've got
work pressures that you managed to separate the two and
as soon as you overlap them.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
That's a real source of stress for me. And we
saw that, didn't we in the lockdowns? Great example of
how multitasking is so bloody hard and we try and
do it. I find myself cognizant of this too and
aware of it. Hey, you've got your kids. They're wanting
your time, They're wanting your attention. But there's emails that
I've got to get to and I wanted to read
that article. I've got to make that phone call. What
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you end up doing is both things averagely. Averagely, I'm
not as good at my job over here, and I'm
a poorer parent for not putting my time into my kids.
But what happens to stress levels when we try and multitask,
they just go up?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, So I want to hear from you I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. Are you one of these people
who have experienced or you get burnout towards the end
of the and what are you doing about it?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
What have you done about it?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Or if you're looking for some sort of insight on
how to avoid it, we'd luck to hear from you
on I eight hundred eighty ten and eighty text nine
two nine two.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Actually, and the other simple question.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Is is there such a thing as having too much
fun towards the end of the year with this do
and that do? And we've got to wrap up here
and then before you know it, you've been getting boozed
a little bit more time than you a little bit
more frequently than you should. What's the secret to avoiding
the end of year burnout and over commitment? Give us
a call eight eight text. Guest is Kent John's from
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Kent John'shealth dot co dot n Z. We want your calls,
get on to it. Back in the May News talk
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said B this is the health hap. My guest is
Kent John's from Kent John's Health. How do you manage
yourself towards the end of the year so you don't
get the old burnout that everyone talks about. I do wonder,
Kent if part of it's I mean, I don't know
if this is the right thing to do. But sometimes
I think I don't mean denial, but also not buying
(12:06):
into the sort of dramatic rhetoric of like you know
that everyone's going to experience burnout, almost just refusing to
accept It's like, I'm.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Not burned out. I'm fine, It's just another month, It's
just another day.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
If you've got good self awareness and you're good with
your and you know how your emotions are going and
your value self care, sure you can.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Manage your way through it and you'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
That's sort of I'd probably like to think that's what
I do now. Things might change this year, having taken
on some more work and juggling a little bit more
around the kid situation, I might collapse into Christmas. My god,
I hope I don't, and I'll be working hard to
make sure that I don't. But I think if you've
got really good self awareness, to mean you've got measures
in place. This is a great time of the year.
(12:47):
It's a great time, but I also know that people
there are people out there who are struggling like buggery
right now because there's the sprint finish to the end.
We're done with public holidays, and our expectations on ourselves
and each other ramp up all of a sudden. There's
Christmas stuff out there, there's Christmas jingles, there's thoughts of
about going to the mall, and we've got to come
up with lists.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
We think about all of the things.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
I've got to get this done by Christmas, But do
you actually have to actually.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know what the other things. I used to be
a bit grinchy on Christmas and I don't know. Yeah, no, seriously,
I was quite grinchy and I can't work out why.
But actually I think that sometimes it's just that whole
I don't know what Christmas has. Christmas can bring a
whole lot of things to the fore, and you know
it's not everyone's Christmas is as a reminder of great things.
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Often you can be your first Christmas where you're missing,
a family member's passed away, all sorts of things, or
you've been through some turmoil but I made a decision,
and it was probably when I had kids that just
to embrace Christmas and just go look, actually, let's not
because there are still parts that I go, you know,
such and such, just the busyness of the time. But
I think there's also a choice there is to just
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your attitude about it it or is that too? Is
it easier said than done. Just love Christmas, turn on
the Christmas songs, get out the Mariah carry you know,
crack it. I had to look and by the way,
as I say that, I had to ask my producer
to tie home because she wants to start playing Christmas
music now.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
So she's right into it. So I'm like, no, no, no, no,
it's not December yet, not December, but you know, changed
the attitude around Christmas? Something anything on that.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Big difference between November the thirtieth listening to a Christmas
song and December the firs.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I reckon, yeah, yeah, she got very excited. On the
first of November she played Christmas song. I was like,
what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean, it is we can wind ourselves up with
the frustration of the over commercialization of everything, and hey,
it's the first week of November and already the ads
are out and you go around and Christmas stock you
you could allow yourself to get beaten up by it,
couldn't you.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I think that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I think I was just like, oh, for God's sake,
looks it's nowhere near Christmas yet, and you're starting to
ram it down our throats and you hear the same
ad again. It's like, but then just change it and think.
I don't know, it's easier said than done.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Did your attitude to twist Christmas change when you had kids?
I've always loved Christmas?
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Why I am?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I am aware though we probably started early with the
on ramp to Christmas is extended, hasn't it the last
few years around shopping?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And I have to be fair that my wife does
look after the Christmas shopping. She enjoys it, and so
she has taken that off my you know, the bulk
of the Christmas shoping. In fact, it's almost got to
a disgraceful stage where I sort of have to say,
what have we given?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
The what's centa? Anyway? Well, let's not talk about that,
the no go area on radio? What about this? I've
got a text here how can you.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Deal with the end of year burnout when you're one
of the staff who has to work through the holidays.
Should I plan a holiday for January? In other words,
not work through January? I'm guessing I don't know what
If you're working right through we.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Are you working through?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:47):
I used to work through.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Actually i'm doing I'm doing the Breakfast show for four weeks,
so I'm actually.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Quite so what's your plan around leave.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I'll take some time off after that.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I usually usually do, but last year we had we
did take the whole of summer off pretty much.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
And what I would work.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Through I would work through the Christmas period and the
New Year period year after year after year after year,
and then have a holiday mid to late jam And
I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And I'm sure
it'll be the same for you, Tim. I bet you
over that Christmas period when you're in here broadcasting, it'll
just feel like things have just been tamped down a
little bit. There won't be as many people in the office.
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It's easy to get a car park.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
It's the commute.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
The commute's not as the commute's not as big things
think people are a bit brighter, a bit breezy.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
The weather is better.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
It's the work is not as tough as it can
be during the year.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Actually, yeah, you generally, But I have to say we're
getting off the topic.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
But hosting breakfast is going to be pumping.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Baby, It's going to be full on and I'm quite
looking forward to so actually for me, it's kind of
an exciting time, but I'll also be dreading that.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
But if you're working through.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
If you're working through, then clearly your leave is going
to be used at another time. But maybe that that
would be at this point. Whew, Okay, it's second week
of November. I've still got November, December and ulla jaan. Yeah,
just being aware of being conscious of when it might
be that you get a chance to take a break
and what what can you control between now and need
to look after yourself because we know that self Kiy
is a big one in this part of this conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
The Texas is the second for me is I have
this thing called an incredibly laid back and relax personality
that doesn't allow me to work too hard and I'm
single with no kids. Boom, Well, possibly there is less stress.
I know how much kids add to it and tell
you what. Let's take some calls.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Grant good, I yeah, Hello.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
What's your name now?
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Tim?
Speaker 7 (17:35):
That's right?
Speaker 8 (17:37):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Hello, Keno nice, just being smarty, a smart fart because
he's a regular.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Quartending smarty Pete. So there we go, There we go. Hello, Hello, Grant,
how are you?
Speaker 7 (17:50):
Yeah? I want to talk to.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
N Okay, I'll sit back. Remember I have the control
over who how long you stay here for. You have
to be nice.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
He's on the right side of the buttons here, Grant,
so be careful, buddy.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Well, first off for it. Talk quickly. We're talking about
work play stress, Kendo. You were worried every time I
talk to you. It's been a while. About my one
liter of apple juice I used to drink. I drink
the fresh up, which is only twenty five percent in
one lead of apple juice is seventy or five percent
purefied water. So there's only two fifty mills of apple
juice a day. And it's fantastic. An apple today in
(18:25):
what apple and juice today? Keeps the doctor away again
the apple?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Grant, eat the apple. Don't drink the juice, mate.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
I can't stand eating apples. Anyway, we'll put that on
my best Okay, I'm still alive and I still still
Tim will tell you I'm his best talkback caller. But anyway,
so now we'll work play stress. I'm retired a couple
of years now, sixty seven, and I just I don't
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know whether it was my normal personality. I suppose I
would describe themselves as pretty laid back. But I never
used to get upset about anything. And he used to
drive the other A lot of the other people mad.
You know, some problem would have coming in the office
and they'd go right in the face and they'd start
the you know, the voice would rise and all that
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sort of thing. I kept telling him, just calm down,
you'll be able to think clearer and and everything will
be fine. So that's my tip for we've played stress.
Soak yourself into completely relaxing. Because you can think clearer,
you can actually solve the problems better than when you're
under stress and worry about it.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
There is some truth to that.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
We can we can don't worry, be happy. Yeah. In fact,
that was quite a song, wasn't it. Do you think
he had the answer was that for Williams?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Bobby mcpherrien.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Oh that's right, I'm getting muddled up.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Name another one of his songs. That's the Great Christmas
gig pass.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I'm terrible on who's something? What do you think that's it?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Don't worry, be happy, choose your attitude grounds Grant, you're
still there.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Oh yeah, they I didn't realize you're still talking to me.
I'm actually in a car, not in my house of
I went for drive on the motorway. The motorways bocked
all the way from Mendaria to Ruma Rubber, so I
try to find my way back to the Great South Road.
I've taken the wrong way and ending out in the country.
And on.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Follow your own advice. Don't follow your own advice. Don't
get wound up about the traffic.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
There's good thing you can do about it, hear from
your grant. Look, we're happy to take your calls on
this eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. In fact,
there is something to that about the choice about burnout,
isn't there? They don't worry, be happy?
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Well, sometimes we do wind ourselves up. We absolutely wind
ourselves up when we could actually make a choice not
to get stressed about things that is for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Another Texas says high I always work through Christmas and Auckland.
I take the last week off from January and Auckland
Anniversary Day and first week of February off includes Whiteing Day,
so eight business days gives me about thirteen days off.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
In fact, I actually feel for the people who have
to take that.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
In fact, I wowsed downs. I went down.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, I wonder if that is part of the stress,
is that it's not even for many times, Christmas is
not even a time that gives you you have much
choice because for many firms, they will make you take
time off at Christmas at the time when everyone else
is on holiday. If you want to go somewhere accommodation travel,
it's order to premium. In fact, if you are lucky
enough to be able to work through Christmas, I would say,
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do the Christmas shifts and.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Then take some time off when it's a little bit
more laid back.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
A lot to be said for that. That's what I
used to do it well, I used to have the choice.
I'd go through.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, year after year after year, I would work through
to the back end of January. But I know the
point that you're making a lot of companies, a lot
of businesses, they have that closed down period. Well, you
could suck up a lot of your leave at a
time when maybe you don't want to do that. So
then it's about having a conversation with your manager or
your boss and maybe you're needing to take some unpaid
leave later in the year. That might be a choice.
(21:58):
Might not be a great financial one, but it might
be a good for mental well being choice. And or
then being strategic about when you take your leave. Most
people only get four weeks a year.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Actually, yeah, well I or my leave I take without pay,
so that's quite freeing in a way.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Hey, look, the other thing that's we wanted to have
a chat about is it's diabetes Awareness month.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Didn't know that until recently.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Well a month's a long time, I guess. And if
you look there, there's always some awareness month on something
every week. But there are some interesting things about diabetes
and common myths that it's worth debunking as well. If
you had a bit of a look into the whole
diabetes thing. Is that's something you do as a health coach?
(22:44):
Too right, too right, fantastic for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
It's everywhere. Yeah, it's everywhere.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Was it one hundred how many?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
How many?
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I was look at the statistic.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
One hundred thousand New Zealanders have been diagnosed with diabetes
in the last three years, so it's about forty five
new cases every single day.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
That's huge, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Most of them will be type two diabetes, and most
of them would be utterly preventable.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Diabetes Action Month. Actually, there we go. Yeah, that's just
a subtle bit of semantics there, which is.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Well, I like that, I like the fact that it's
called action month, okay, But then the question is, okay,
what do we do? This was my point around mental
Health Awareness Week a few months back to I think
we should change it to mental Health Action Week because
everyone knows that we have mental health crisis in New
Zealand or a mental health emergency. We all know that
everyone's aware of it. The question then is, okay, what
do we do about it? So at least with this
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Diabetes Action Month, they're probably trying to be affirmative and
proactive and suggest that, hey, there are things that we
need to do. But then there's a conflation I think
around some of the messaging. If you look at their website,
and think about the campaign which is called Don't Sugarcoat Diabetes,
and that they are not wanting to demonize sugar.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Is that actually one of the Is that one of
the sort of myths around you know, you get diabetes.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
If you're simply addicted to sugar and all that sort
of thing. Is that a myth?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Or is that actually one of the I mean, I
think we should probably trying to avoid having too much sugar.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I can't see how you can have a reasonable conversation
about diabetes without mentioning the fact that sugar is the
bad guy in the story.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It is.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
You can't get away from that.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So I think we need to be careful if we
say to people, hey, sugar vilification is wrong, and eat
moderation and all that sort of stuff. I think people
actually need to know what they're dealing with. And I
think if you looked at alcohol, for example, do we
demonize alcohol? It's highly debatable, right, do we demonize it
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as it glorified whatever? But we know the damage to
that from alcohol, and we know that alcohol is poisonous
because it's a form of ethanol. And so if you're
talking to someone about fatty liver disease, for example, you
might actually have to say, look, there's no getting around this.
Alcohol is the problem here. It's not you, it's the alcohol.
(24:55):
And I think when we're having the conversation around diabetes
and other metabolic health problems, it's great to say to
people it's not you, it's the sugar. It's the process
food that's the problem. So reframe it that way.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
In fact, because there there was an article in the
Herald about diabetes and the first myth is that eating
too much sugar causes diabetes, and type one diabetes has
nothing to do with sugar, apparently, because that is something
that's an autoimmune condition that develops.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I mean, that was the thing.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
That I that's.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
But a confusing thing for people, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Well they've then conflated type one diabetes with type two
in that particular article with the New Zealand Herald, and
again the issue that I would take with that messaging
tem is, hey, let's not overstate the role of sugar
when you actually can't overstate it. It's impossible to overstate
the role of sugar in type two diabetes, and it
isn't It is an issue for people with type one
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diabetes as well. Because they are under about a very
very tight blood sugar control, and so they're having to
take in chealin because their pancreas can't create enough, so
they're having to take in chelin. Well, if you can,
you to spike your blood sugars unnecessarily from eating sugar.
That then impacts the ability of the insulin that you
then take to do its job. So people with type
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one diabetes have to be equally as aware of how
much sugar they are consuming as someone with type two diabetes,
And to be perfectly honest, for anyone that doesn't have diabetes,
we should all be aware of it.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, what do we know about the because obviously type
one diabetes is something that's it's not actually related to
weight or lifestyle choices. That's something that's an autoimmune thing,
and it seems that you it can appear from birth.
I'm not an expert on these things obviously when I'm
just looking at the information we got here. But type
two diabetes is the one where.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
You can do something about it, doesn't it Process food disease,
that's what it's called, is it. Yeah, So type two
diabetes is essentially an intolerance to carbohydrate, to process carbohydrate.
It's an intolerance. So you develop type two diabetes over time.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Have you had many people you've had to come to
see you because they're sort of been given that message
they need to change a few things because that at
risk of type two diabetes. Because of the risk of it,
you can foreshire changes, can't you?
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
I mean the world over now people there are thousands
and thousands and tens of thousands, ten of cases of
people who have reversed their type two diabetes. It's utterly reversible,
and it's preventable. And it's called processed food disease for
a reason because sugar and process food is the number
one cause of type two diabetes unless you're very, very unfortunate,
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and there's a genetic component.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
That's type one, isn't it well, Well.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Even people with type two, but a tiny, tiny percentage
of people can pick up type two diabetes from genetics.
Team it is largely dietary related and lifestyle related illness,
and it's preventable. And so the question then becomes what
is driving the type two diabetes, And it's things like inflammation, glycation,
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and stress and a problem within called in chillin resistance,
so that drives the type two diabetes. Okay, so what
drives those things? Well, it's lifestyle related in diet is
the number one cause.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But we take your cause on this is if you have,
if you've had to deal with diabetes, or if you
live with it, how are you managing it? But also
if you've, if you've been at risk of it, have
you managed to sort of defeat it. I do know
a few people have actually been given some pretty strong
warnings about diabetes that if they continue the way they're going,
and they've actually not that where Neither either of us
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are doctors in terms of giving advice on how to
avoid it, but we want to hear your stories about
it as well because it is Diabetes Action Month.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
My point, Tim is that we can't minimize the the
issue around sugar and its contribution. There's no point minimizing
it and trying to just put it to the one side. Well,
it might contribute, it might not. Don't worry about sugar
too much. No, we need to be absolutely conscious about
how much sugar we are eating because it is affecting
and hurting far more people than alcohol and cigarettes combined.
(29:04):
Because we all eat that's why.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, and we're also taking your calls if you've got
If you're looking at this time of the year and
you're thinking it's getting into the silly season, it's not
quite the silly season, it is it. It's getting pretty close.
What are we about? Seven weeks to Christmas? Have you
ever gone through burnout? But what do you do to
try and make sure that you don't let the holiday
season stress get to you? Give us a call on
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Speaker 3 (29:29):
He'd be seven. Oh, there's a bit of a cure
(29:49):
for burnout, isn't it? A little bit of Dolly and
Kenny Islands on the stream. Guest is Kent Kent John's
from Kent John's Health. Let's take some calls.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Roger High Yeah, good look. I've twice been diagnosed with
two diabetes, once when I was forty, and you know,
I sort of embarcked on the course of changing my
diet and doing a lot of exercise and reversed it
then and now I'm sixty three, and about six months ago,
(30:20):
I mean probably for the last i'd be fair to
say I for the last year, and so I felt
like I was just fort to you know, through stress
and things. Just been eating whatever I wanted, you know,
quite quite bad, really a lot of a lot of
sugar and stuff like that. And again I've been on
a on a pretty pretty strict regime. I find I've
(30:43):
got to either be I've either got to be sort
of one hundred percent spector or I'm just off the rails.
There's not much moderation for me. And again, my my
numbers have come right down, you know, so I definitely
think it's it's it's possible for most people, you know,
not all like you said before, but most people, if
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they if they change their diet, cut out the sugar,
probably cut out a lot of the fat as well,
because because you know, the sugar is sort of is bad,
but your body doesn't deal with the sugar so well.
If you have if you have been having a high
fat diet as well.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, that's that's the standard American diet, high fat, high sugar,
and the fat generally is not the problem to the
problem is that fat carries a lot of calories and
the body doesn't know what to do with those calories
because it's having to deal with the sugar. That's great, though,
to hear Roger and that's encouraging stuff. That what he's
been able to do is to put in to practice
those self care mechanisms tim And it probably is for
(31:47):
Roger that he's just his ability, his metabolic ability to
withstand sugar is probably very low.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
So some of us.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Can tolerate a lot of rubbish food before we get sick.
Some of other people can only tolerate a very little
amount before things start to go haywire. So it's good
for Roger that he's got that information on board.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
By the way, you can't go to Diabetes Action Month
for DOT or DOT in Z and you can actually
fill out a quick questionnaire as to whether you're at
risk of diabetes. And it's actually quite a useful little
questionnaire because it helps you sort of identify or maybe
that's the thing I ticked that box maybe for exercise,
but more I'll be all right, because it's basically says,
do I am I physically active and I have away
from my height?
Speaker 5 (32:25):
All those certainly helps if you're physically active.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
The battleground is food.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, just like any other chronic disease that we can
talk about, the battle ground is food.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Right, Let's go to some more calls Greg, Hello, yeah, good,
fel good.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
Here you go, Hello, yeah yeah good Yeah. I'm just
I'm just queering. What's there is classic coke and no cake?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Oh, coke zero? You mean all that stuff?
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Yah knows well, it used to be, but now it's
no sugar, no sugar.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Coke's it's a It's a better but still poor choice, Greg,
because of the response in the body to the sweetness
that the body anticipates sugar. So and if you have
a one mouthful of coke zero or Pepsi max or whatever,
it's super sweet. The body says, sugar's coming, Sugar's coming,
Sugar's coming, So it loads up, gets ready to go,
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produces a whole lot of inchellin the sugar doesn't turn up,
but your metabolic health will suffer because of it. There's
a guy called doctor Robert Lustig in the United States.
He's a terrific follow and he talks about these drinks,
and he is an absolute guru on metabolic health. And
he said, five years ago they probably didn't know enough
as to talk about the toxicity of sugar free drinks.
(33:43):
Now they do. They're about half as toxic as a
regular coke, about half about half as bad, but it's
still bad.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Depends on the type of sweetener.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
There's something about the stevia versus aspartamine or something I
can't remember, but I.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Didn't like to see you yet. Scrap.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
We we don't know enough yet to mister how that
impacts our gut health.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I always just think, just have sparkling water. Always feels
like you're having something festive.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Anyway, sugar free drinks lead to inflammation. They lead to
all sorts of problems, even though they are truthfully a
better choice.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Okay, right, let's take some more calls.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Adam High, Yeah, hey, how are you get am?
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (34:25):
Guys, Yeah, I just thought i'd call it done. Interesting
a long time listen their first time caller. But I
was diagnosed with that one percent mitochondrial genetic diabetes two
years ago.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
It's been a bit of a journey since then.
Speaker 9 (34:40):
As a you know, generally a fit, active five year
old always sort of lendered what was wrong with me
with myself in earlier days, you know, I used to
get real lot headed, shaky. But yeah, I've been on
a bit of a journey. So I got diagnosed two
years ago. So I'm not sure whether it fits into
(35:04):
TIP one on type two, but I do take insulin
in the evenings and repid insulin when.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
The blood spike.
Speaker 9 (35:12):
But yeah, it's a bit of a tough journey, I
must say.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Yeah, oh thanks for telling us about that. How do
you think you're coping? Are you going all right?
Speaker 9 (35:19):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Yeah, not too bad.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
It's you know, I'm seeing specialists and also going through
like the public system. So the glucose monitoring device that's
just been funded from the first of October is a
life changer room, I say, because you know, you know
exactly what foods and what drinks you know work and
don't work. So I think that's a bit of a
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miracle that that was funded for type ones, but also
for the genetic you know percentage of the population that
unfortunately Gondon as well.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, and do you have to pay close attention to
to mark us on a daily basis and also your
HbA one C level.
Speaker 9 (36:00):
Yeah, every three months, every three months. So the HBO
A one C I'm still not perfect made on sixty one,
which you need to be obviously under forty. But yeah,
it's pretty tough. I must say. You know, I run
a lot. I'm fitting a very fat and active. But yeah,
it's not as easy I think, just saying that, you know,
(36:20):
you need to stick to low carves, low sugar foods,
because yeah, it's pretty broup, especially if you're on the run.
You know, there's not that many options out there all
the time. Yeah, yeah, And I'm just wondering, yeah, like,
did you do you have any other cases that you
know you might know of yourself from that mitochondrial and
(36:41):
a younger you know, younger age demographic.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
No, I can't say I have come across this at
personally or individually. The people that I've coached have all
been either type just a classic type one diabetic on
unshillin or type two and they then get their HbA
one C to come down more often than not just
through dietary intervention. You're your body function, your metabolisms probably
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giving you a real real challenge.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Hey, by the sounds of.
Speaker 9 (37:10):
It, yeah it is. But to be honest, I felt
the best I've ever felt in the last two years,
which doesn't quite make sense, but it does now because
you know, I'll cut out bears completely. Here you go
in the low card bears and change the gin I say.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Right, sideways, move good on Adam. Hey, thanks for you
co mate. We've got to head to a break just quickly.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
If you are what would be the signs that would
make because you generally need to go to a doctor,
get to get referred for a blood test or whatever
the testers for diabetes, wouldn't you.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
If you don't go and get yourself a blood test.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
I would recommend that once a year go and get
a warrant of fitness and then ask for a blood test.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
See the dot for the warrant fitness.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Get the warrant fitness from the nurse and the doctor.
But then you're also entitled to go and grab a
blood test whenever you like. And if the doctor queried that,
you just say, hey, I want to know what's going
on here. I'll look after myself, So you go and
get your blood test as often as you can to.
Symptoms would be inflammation, poor sleep, poor skin, terrible energy levels,
weight gain, feeling bloated, all sorts of different things.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Actually, if you concerned about your health and if you're worried,
it's always good to talk to a health professional. Yeah right,
we'll be back in just to ticket's eight and a
half minutes to five News talks, he'd b news talks HEADB.
This is a health HABITM beverage. My guest is Kent John's.
We're talking a little bit about diabetes and also burnout.
Time for one more quick call, Karen.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Hello, Oh hi, how are you?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I'm good? How you Karen?
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Good?
Speaker 7 (38:34):
Good?
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Good.
Speaker 10 (38:35):
I had a neighbor who was diabetic, and I said
to him, do you want to get rid of your diabetes?
And he said yeah. So I told him what to
do to fast. He did the five two diet and
then he went back to his doctor one month later
and his doctor didn't said he didn't need medication anymore.
And then within one month he was off all meds
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his diabetes and his doctor was shocked. They said, what
did you do? And he said, I fasted because when
you fast, you reduce your insulin, which then gets rid
of your type two diabetes.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Probably always best to get a bit of a bit
of I mean, generally you get a bit of advice
from your doctor one what you should do, wouldn't you Yes?
Speaker 10 (39:17):
Yes, So I did tell him to go to his doctor,
and you know, but he that on him. He decided
not to and he just said it himself and within
one month, he was off all medications to type the
diabetes because by fasting, you reduce your insulin, which then
reduces because if you get if you reduce your insulin,
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your diabetes would disappear. That's type two I'm talking about.
Because of causes is high insulin.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Good stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
You're getting the insulin down as absolutely essential to him.
So that's that's a great story. Care And I've heard
this many, many, many times two Tim is that doctors
will go, wow, how did you do this?
Speaker 5 (39:57):
And the person has just changed what.
Speaker 10 (40:00):
Even I was very close to pre diabetes, but because
of my fast thing, I avoided it and now my
bludge was the thirty eight good stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Karen, Hey, thanks so much for your core. Gosh, time
flies and you're having fun. Kent John's Health dot cod.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
At n zed or give us a shout at the
Autonomy Clinic. Tim come on and say good ay, we'd
love to see you.
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Speaker 3 (01:19):
Back quite a while now. But as Kent John's good,
I ken, yeah, we'll be a few years now.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
How long is it since you were a sports sort of.
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Since I was flicked, Since since I was wasn't since
this company just urfed me and my colleagues. They just
so flagrantly four and a half years.
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Can you believe that?
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Wow?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, March of twenty twenty, right in the guts of COVID.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Gosh, time flies, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
And then we came back four or six weeks later
and we did a one off now and so I
was back in the chair for thirty minutes I think
it was, and that was it all.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
She wrote, Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So you as people know you're you're a health than
wellbeing coach Kent John'shealth dot co dot nz. But you
you've got another gig you've mentioned just before we went on.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I just wanted to about the new gig, the new
job that I've picked up. So I'm working for a
health clinic and new market called Autonomy and it's quite
a good name, Tim, given that we want you to
be autonomous.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
With your own health.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
So the thing, I've said this to you before, and
this is my view. The power of health is not
in medication. It's not in what the GP says, it's
not in what the specialists might tell you. The power
is in your own hands. We don't have to get
as sick as we are, and most of the chronic
health diseases that we might even mention some of them
today largely a largely avoidable.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Yeah, the old radio gag still got it.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Largely avoidable, preventable, and in some cases reversible. So I've
started a new job there Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Would love
to hear from people. If you want to come in
and have a consultation, coming and have a chat, talk
about how you're doing.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
I love to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So people that go to go to see you at
this place, what are they looking for?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
There are three types of people who will come into
the clinic. There are the optimizers, the real the fitness
guys and women who are wanting an edge. There are
then people who are not feeling particularly good, something's gone wrong,
the middle aged men a lot of the time in
their forties early fifties, starting to feel a worried about
(03:19):
their worried about their energy levels, a lot of inflammation.
The GP may have said, hey, look you need to
sort yourself out. And then the third group of people
are the people who are sick, who have chronic disease
like type two diabetes or obesity or cardiovascular disease, and
they need an intervention. So we're working with any anyone
who wants to be healthy you, which is a huge
(03:42):
percentage of the population by the way. So that's what
we're doing. It's hard to get to work with a team.
And we've got some wonderful people, some people like minded,
same as me, passionate, enthusiastic, it's neat excellent.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Well, they don't keep you out of mischief.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Now, what we want to talk about, which sort of
ties into that, it is that time of the year.
You just feel like creeping up the end of the year,
and a lot of people will say they get into
be a burnout.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
People feel over committed. There's so many things.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I mean, you've got schools wrapping up, and exams and
kids and Christmas shopping and planning the holiday and all
that sort of thing. And actually, we want your calls
on this. Do you get burnt out at the end
of the year, And if you don't, how do you
avoid it? And let's not catastrophize everything. But you know,
there are a lot of people sometimes it's some career
(04:27):
dependent as well, where there's certain careers where you just
feel absolutely bugger at the.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
End of the year. Are you do you get burnout?
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I learned from this a few years ago. I haven't
allowed myself to go down that path again. But for me,
when I was doing radio breakfast Radio here tim the
worst month of the year for me, the hardest month
mentally was November. I would always struggle in November because
I'd come back from labor weekend. And I now call
this the sprint finish. Everyone's sprinting for home. Now we
can smell the holidays, we can see the finish line,
(04:58):
and we then overload on work, we overload on social
commitments at exactly the time, and we're probably struggling on
low fuel from what has been a busy off and
turbulent year. And so I remember just running into a
wall in November thinking, my god, I've still got seven
eight weeks to go. I'm so bloody close, and I've
(05:19):
still got seven or eight weeks to go. So one
year I actually had some leve up my sleeve and
decided to take four or five days in November. That
was a game changer, really, So it's actually not a
bad tool if you've got extra leave and you can
if you can, and you can, you can use one, two,
three extra days across this month, are you able to
do that?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Just to slow things down a little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Actually, I it's.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Also wonder does this I mean, I'm not sure what
my social calendar is like over Christmas. It's not hugely busy.
Don't could particularly get invited too many places these days.
But look, but it's going to too many Christmas parties
and all that as part of the burnout.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I don't know, just accepting every invitation you get to
catch up. We've got to go around such and such
as even Christmas drengths, and then next such and such
we've gotta do this. Is it the partying that wears out?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I think it contributes. But if you say yes to everything,
it's great for the first week or two, and then
by week three, week four, heading into Christmas, you're like, oh,
another party. It'll be more alcohol, more sugar, more bad food,
more late nights, whatever it might be. But I think
also tim around people. We've got this intriguing set up
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here in New Zealand and also elsewhere in the Southern
Hemisphere where our holidays align perfectly with the end.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Of the year.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well that seems logical, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
But then we get six weeks off for the school holidays,
whereas in the Northern and the likes kids.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Get six weeks.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Yeah, like kids get six weeks.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
But elsewhere America, UK, Europe, it's not quite that. I
think they've got a better balance, whereas in Australasia we've
just got this mad sprint to the finish and then
I think people collapse into their break, which is not
a great thing. And so I've done that, I've been there,
I've done it multiple times. I really manage my time
now after labor weekend to ensure that I don't get
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sick like I used to.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think there's a simple explanation for them other countries
having the holidays at a different time. It's in the
northern Hemisphere they do the summertime, I guess, don't they
Otherwise they'd be taking six weeks in winter and no
one really wants to do that unless you're a keen
scaler like me.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yes, which I would love.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
But they I don't know if they have them. I
don't think they have that mindset of hey, I'm going
to sprint as hard as I can and then collapse
into a holiday, which is what you see here. So
we've talked about burnout on this program before. Burnout rates
in New Zealand proper burnout from work number one, but
also home life has never been high?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Right now, what is burnout?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Because it's a very emotive phrase, it is, so I mean, yeah,
what has burnout?
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Well?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
World Health Organization classified burnout only five years ago, which
so it's good we've actually got some information now. They've
classified it essentially as chronic workplace stress that goes unchecked.
So it's chronic stress over time that then is not
sorted out, not dealt with, so things get worse and
it shows up in a lot of tiredness, fatigue, emotion,
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maybe lashing out, frustration, doing things that you ordinarily wouldn't do,
a lot of maybe a few tears. You're prone to
crying a little bit, You're prone to outbursts. You're prone
to disliking your colleagues more, you don't feel as productive
at work. That can be very real, or it can
be perceived. Your colleagues may not even know that. And
it also aligns with disharmony, lack of engagement, looking around
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for work, looking for another job, not being committed to
the tasks that you're doing, things that you used to
taking your stride now bug the heck out of you
little things start to get on your work.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
That's burnout.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
And what we now know too is, of course the
financial pressure that people are facing at home to they're
now then bringing that to work. So you've got people
turning up to work who are highly stressed, highly worried,
highly anxious about interest rates, about food prices, and now
that's projecting into their demeanor in the office. So there's
a lot to think about there, and it gets why
is the year goes on because we're running on fumes
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by November.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I was actually just reflecting on that when you were
talking about what it is, and I think the sign
for me when I'm getting a bit and oh, look
I do. I do strange hours, so sometimes I get
a bit jaded with the overnights too. It's just a
couple of nights a week, but it's a weird. It's
not enough to do it regularly that you get used
to it. So but I've reckoned worked out For me,
it's when I've started to develop less patience with the
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kids and I might snap at them in a way
that might make me think I've got to go and
apologize once I've calmed down.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
That's my sign.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
But The way I actually do cope with it is
I just tell myself that I've I think to me,
it's I just forced myself to drop that to do
list of things when I really should be looking after
them after school, and I think, which is.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Hard to do. If you've got a lot on your plate.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Sometimes you've just got that's I think that's the hardest
thing for me, and it might be for a lot
of other people. If you've got kids and you've got
work pressures that you managed to separate the two and
as soon as you overlap them.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
That's a real source of stress for me. And we
saw that, didn't we in the lockdowns? Great example of
how multitasking is so bloody hard and we try and
do it. I find myself cognizant of this too and
aware of it. Hey, you've got your kids. They're wanting
your time, They're wanting your attention. But there's emails that
I've got to get to and I wanted to read
that article. I've got to make that phone call. What
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you end up doing is both things averagely. Averagely, I'm
not as good at my job over here, and I'm
a poorer parent for not putting my time into my kids.
But what happens to stress levels when we try and multitask,
they just go up?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, So I want to hear from you I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. Are you one of these people
who have experienced or you get burnout towards the end
of the and what are you doing about it?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
What have you done about it?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Or if you're looking for some sort of insight on
how to avoid it, we'd luck to hear from you
on I eight hundred eighty ten and eighty text nine
two nine two.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Actually, and the other simple question.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Is is there such a thing as having too much
fun towards the end of the year with this do
and that do? And we've got to wrap up here
and then before you know it, you've been getting boozed
a little bit more time than you a little bit
more frequently than you should. What's the secret to avoiding
the end of year burnout and over commitment? Give us
a call eight eight text. Guest is Kent John's from
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Kent John'shealth dot co dot n Z. We want your calls,
get on to it. Back in the May News talk
(11:45):
said B this is the health hap. My guest is
Kent John's from Kent John's Health. How do you manage
yourself towards the end of the year so you don't
get the old burnout that everyone talks about. I do wonder,
Kent if part of it's I mean, I don't know
if this is the right thing to do. But sometimes
I think I don't mean denial, but also not buying
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into the sort of dramatic rhetoric of like you know
that everyone's going to experience burnout, almost just refusing to
accept It's like, I'm.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Not burned out. I'm fine, It's just another month, It's
just another day.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
If you've got good self awareness and you're good with
your and you know how your emotions are going and
your value self care, sure you can.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Manage your way through it and you'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
That's sort of I'd probably like to think that's what
I do now. Things might change this year, having taken
on some more work and juggling a little bit more
around the kid situation, I might collapse into Christmas. My god,
I hope I don't, and I'll be working hard to
make sure that I don't. But I think if you've
got really good self awareness, to mean you've got measures
in place. This is a great time of the year.
(12:47):
It's a great time, but I also know that people
there are people out there who are struggling like buggery
right now because there's the sprint finish to the end.
We're done with public holidays, and our expectations on ourselves
and each other ramp up all of a sudden. There's
Christmas stuff out there, there's Christmas jingles, there's thoughts of
about going to the mall, and we've got to come
up with lists.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
We think about all of the things.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
I've got to get this done by Christmas, But do
you actually have to actually.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know what the other things. I used to be
a bit grinchy on Christmas and I don't know. Yeah, no, seriously,
I was quite grinchy and I can't work out why.
But actually I think that sometimes it's just that whole
I don't know what Christmas has. Christmas can bring a
whole lot of things to the fore, and you know
it's not everyone's Christmas is as a reminder of great things.
(13:35):
Often you can be your first Christmas where you're missing,
a family member's passed away, all sorts of things, or
you've been through some turmoil but I made a decision,
and it was probably when I had kids that just
to embrace Christmas and just go look, actually, let's not
because there are still parts that I go, you know,
such and such, just the busyness of the time. But
I think there's also a choice there is to just
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your attitude about it it or is that too? Is
it easier said than done. Just love Christmas, turn on
the Christmas songs, get out the Mariah carry you know,
crack it. I had to look and by the way,
as I say that, I had to ask my producer
to tie home because she wants to start playing Christmas
music now.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
So she's right into it. So I'm like, no, no, no, no,
it's not December yet, not December, but you know, changed
the attitude around Christmas? Something anything on that.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Big difference between November the thirtieth listening to a Christmas
song and December the firs.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I reckon, yeah, yeah, she got very excited. On the
first of November she played Christmas song. I was like,
what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean, it is we can wind ourselves up with
the frustration of the over commercialization of everything, and hey,
it's the first week of November and already the ads
are out and you go around and Christmas stock you
you could allow yourself to get beaten up by it,
couldn't you.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I think that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I think I was just like, oh, for God's sake,
looks it's nowhere near Christmas yet, and you're starting to
ram it down our throats and you hear the same
ad again. It's like, but then just change it and think.
I don't know, it's easier said than done.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Did your attitude to twist Christmas change when you had kids?
I've always loved Christmas?
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Why I am?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I am aware though we probably started early with the
on ramp to Christmas is extended, hasn't it the last
few years around shopping?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And I have to be fair that my wife does
look after the Christmas shopping. She enjoys it, and so
she has taken that off my you know, the bulk
of the Christmas shoping. In fact, it's almost got to
a disgraceful stage where I sort of have to say,
what have we given?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
The what's centa? Anyway? Well, let's not talk about that,
the no go area on radio? What about this? I've
got a text here how can you.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Deal with the end of year burnout when you're one
of the staff who has to work through the holidays.
Should I plan a holiday for January? In other words,
not work through January? I'm guessing I don't know what
If you're working right through we.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Are you working through?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:47):
I used to work through.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Actually i'm doing I'm doing the Breakfast show for four weeks,
so I'm actually.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Quite so what's your plan around leave.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I'll take some time off after that.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I usually usually do, but last year we had we
did take the whole of summer off pretty much.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
And what I would work.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Through I would work through the Christmas period and the
New Year period year after year after year after year,
and then have a holiday mid to late jam And
I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And I'm sure
it'll be the same for you, Tim. I bet you
over that Christmas period when you're in here broadcasting, it'll
just feel like things have just been tamped down a
little bit. There won't be as many people in the office.
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It's easy to get a car park.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
It's the commute.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
The commute's not as the commute's not as big things
think people are a bit brighter, a bit breezy.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
The weather is better.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
It's the work is not as tough as it can
be during the year.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Actually, yeah, you generally, But I have to say we're
getting off the topic.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
But hosting breakfast is going to be pumping.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Baby, It's going to be full on and I'm quite
looking forward to so actually for me, it's kind of
an exciting time, but I'll also be dreading that.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
But if you're working through.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
If you're working through, then clearly your leave is going
to be used at another time. But maybe that that
would be at this point. Whew, Okay, it's second week
of November. I've still got November, December and ulla jaan. Yeah,
just being aware of being conscious of when it might
be that you get a chance to take a break
and what what can you control between now and need
to look after yourself because we know that self Kiy
is a big one in this part of this conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
The Texas is the second for me is I have
this thing called an incredibly laid back and relax personality
that doesn't allow me to work too hard and I'm
single with no kids. Boom, Well, possibly there is less stress.
I know how much kids add to it and tell
you what. Let's take some calls.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Grant good, I yeah, Hello.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
What's your name now?
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Tim?
Speaker 7 (17:35):
That's right?
Speaker 8 (17:37):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Hello, Keno nice, just being smarty, a smart fart because
he's a regular.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Quartending smarty Pete. So there we go, There we go. Hello, Hello, Grant,
how are you?
Speaker 7 (17:50):
Yeah? I want to talk to.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
N Okay, I'll sit back. Remember I have the control
over who how long you stay here for. You have
to be nice.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
He's on the right side of the buttons here, Grant,
so be careful, buddy.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Well, first off for it. Talk quickly. We're talking about
work play stress, Kendo. You were worried every time I
talk to you. It's been a while. About my one
liter of apple juice I used to drink. I drink
the fresh up, which is only twenty five percent in
one lead of apple juice is seventy or five percent
purefied water. So there's only two fifty mills of apple
juice a day. And it's fantastic. An apple today in
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what apple and juice today? Keeps the doctor away again
the apple?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Grant, eat the apple. Don't drink the juice, mate.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
I can't stand eating apples. Anyway, we'll put that on
my best Okay, I'm still alive and I still still
Tim will tell you I'm his best talkback caller. But anyway,
so now we'll work play stress. I'm retired a couple
of years now, sixty seven, and I just I don't
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know whether it was my normal personality. I suppose I
would describe themselves as pretty laid back. But I never
used to get upset about anything. And he used to
drive the other A lot of the other people mad.
You know, some problem would have coming in the office
and they'd go right in the face and they'd start
the you know, the voice would rise and all that
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sort of thing. I kept telling him, just calm down,
you'll be able to think clearer and and everything will
be fine. So that's my tip for we've played stress.
Soak yourself into completely relaxing. Because you can think clearer,
you can actually solve the problems better than when you're
under stress and worry about it.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
There is some truth to that.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
We can we can don't worry, be happy. Yeah. In fact,
that was quite a song, wasn't it. Do you think
he had the answer was that for Williams?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Bobby mcpherrien.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Oh that's right, I'm getting muddled up.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Name another one of his songs. That's the Great Christmas
gig pass.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I'm terrible on who's something? What do you think that's it?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Don't worry, be happy, choose your attitude grounds Grant, you're
still there.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Oh yeah, they I didn't realize you're still talking to me.
I'm actually in a car, not in my house of
I went for drive on the motorway. The motorways bocked
all the way from Mendaria to Ruma Rubber, so I
try to find my way back to the Great South Road.
I've taken the wrong way and ending out in the country.
And on.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Follow your own advice. Don't follow your own advice. Don't
get wound up about the traffic.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
There's good thing you can do about it, hear from
your grant. Look, we're happy to take your calls on
this eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. In fact,
there is something to that about the choice about burnout,
isn't there? They don't worry, be happy?
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Well, sometimes we do wind ourselves up. We absolutely wind
ourselves up when we could actually make a choice not
to get stressed about things that is for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Another Texas says high I always work through Christmas and Auckland.
I take the last week off from January and Auckland
Anniversary Day and first week of February off includes Whiteing Day,
so eight business days gives me about thirteen days off.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
In fact, I actually feel for the people who have
to take that.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
In fact, I wowsed downs. I went down.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, I wonder if that is part of the stress,
is that it's not even for many times, Christmas is
not even a time that gives you you have much
choice because for many firms, they will make you take
time off at Christmas at the time when everyone else
is on holiday. If you want to go somewhere accommodation travel,
it's order to premium. In fact, if you are lucky
enough to be able to work through Christmas, I would say,
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do the Christmas shifts and.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Then take some time off when it's a little bit
more laid back.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
A lot to be said for that. That's what I
used to do it well, I used to have the choice.
I'd go through.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, year after year after year, I would work through
to the back end of January. But I know the
point that you're making a lot of companies, a lot
of businesses, they have that closed down period. Well, you
could suck up a lot of your leave at a
time when maybe you don't want to do that. So
then it's about having a conversation with your manager or
your boss and maybe you're needing to take some unpaid
leave later in the year. That might be a choice.
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Might not be a great financial one, but it might
be a good for mental well being choice. And or
then being strategic about when you take your leave. Most
people only get four weeks a year.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Actually, yeah, well I or my leave I take without pay,
so that's quite freeing in a way.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Hey, look, the other thing that's we wanted to have
a chat about is it's diabetes Awareness month.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Didn't know that until recently.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Well a month's a long time, I guess. And if
you look there, there's always some awareness month on something
every week. But there are some interesting things about diabetes
and common myths that it's worth debunking as well. If
you had a bit of a look into the whole
diabetes thing. Is that's something you do as a health coach?
(22:44):
Too right, too right, fantastic for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
It's everywhere. Yeah, it's everywhere.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Was it one hundred how many?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
How many?
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I was look at the statistic.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
One hundred thousand New Zealanders have been diagnosed with diabetes
in the last three years, so it's about forty five
new cases every single day.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
That's huge, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Most of them will be type two diabetes, and most
of them would be utterly preventable.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Diabetes Action Month. Actually, there we go. Yeah, that's just
a subtle bit of semantics there, which is.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Well, I like that, I like the fact that it's
called action month, okay, But then the question is, okay,
what do we do? This was my point around mental
Health Awareness Week a few months back to I think
we should change it to mental Health Action Week because
everyone knows that we have mental health crisis in New
Zealand or a mental health emergency. We all know that
everyone's aware of it. The question then is, okay, what
do we do about it? So at least with this
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Diabetes Action Month, they're probably trying to be affirmative and
proactive and suggest that, hey, there are things that we
need to do. But then there's a conflation I think
around some of the messaging. If you look at their website,
and think about the campaign which is called Don't Sugarcoat Diabetes,
and that they are not wanting to demonize sugar.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Is that actually one of the Is that one of
the sort of myths around you know, you get diabetes.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
If you're simply addicted to sugar and all that sort
of thing. Is that a myth?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Or is that actually one of the I mean, I
think we should probably trying to avoid having too much sugar.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I can't see how you can have a reasonable conversation
about diabetes without mentioning the fact that sugar is the
bad guy in the story.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It is.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
You can't get away from that.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So I think we need to be careful if we
say to people, hey, sugar vilification is wrong, and eat
moderation and all that sort of stuff. I think people
actually need to know what they're dealing with. And I
think if you looked at alcohol, for example, do we
demonize alcohol? It's highly debatable, right, do we demonize it
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as it glorified whatever? But we know the damage to
that from alcohol, and we know that alcohol is poisonous
because it's a form of ethanol. And so if you're
talking to someone about fatty liver disease, for example, you
might actually have to say, look, there's no getting around this.
Alcohol is the problem here. It's not you, it's the alcohol.
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And I think when we're having the conversation around diabetes
and other metabolic health problems, it's great to say to
people it's not you, it's the sugar. It's the process
food that's the problem. So reframe it that way.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
In fact, because there there was an article in the
Herald about diabetes and the first myth is that eating
too much sugar causes diabetes, and type one diabetes has
nothing to do with sugar, apparently, because that is something
that's an autoimmune condition that develops.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I mean, that was the thing.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
That I that's.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
But a confusing thing for people, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Well they've then conflated type one diabetes with type two
in that particular article with the New Zealand Herald, and
again the issue that I would take with that messaging
tem is, hey, let's not overstate the role of sugar
when you actually can't overstate it. It's impossible to overstate
the role of sugar in type two diabetes, and it
isn't It is an issue for people with type one
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diabetes as well. Because they are under about a very
very tight blood sugar control, and so they're having to
take in chealin because their pancreas can't create enough, so
they're having to take in chelin. Well, if you can,
you to spike your blood sugars unnecessarily from eating sugar.
That then impacts the ability of the insulin that you
then take to do its job. So people with type
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one diabetes have to be equally as aware of how
much sugar they are consuming as someone with type two diabetes,
And to be perfectly honest, for anyone that doesn't have diabetes,
we should all be aware of it.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, what do we know about the because obviously type
one diabetes is something that's it's not actually related to
weight or lifestyle choices. That's something that's an autoimmune thing,
and it seems that you it can appear from birth.
I'm not an expert on these things obviously when I'm
just looking at the information we got here. But type
two diabetes is the one where.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
You can do something about it, doesn't it Process food disease,
that's what it's called, is it. Yeah, So type two
diabetes is essentially an intolerance to carbohydrate, to process carbohydrate.
It's an intolerance. So you develop type two diabetes over time.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Have you had many people you've had to come to
see you because they're sort of been given that message
they need to change a few things because that at
risk of type two diabetes. Because of the risk of it,
you can foreshire changes, can't you?
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
I mean the world over now people there are thousands
and thousands and tens of thousands, ten of cases of
people who have reversed their type two diabetes. It's utterly reversible,
and it's preventable. And it's called processed food disease for
a reason because sugar and process food is the number
one cause of type two diabetes unless you're very, very unfortunate,
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and there's a genetic component.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
That's type one, isn't it well, Well.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Even people with type two, but a tiny, tiny percentage
of people can pick up type two diabetes from genetics.
Team it is largely dietary related and lifestyle related illness,
and it's preventable. And so the question then becomes what
is driving the type two diabetes, And it's things like inflammation, glycation,
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and stress and a problem within called in chillin resistance,
so that drives the type two diabetes. Okay, so what
drives those things? Well, it's lifestyle related in diet is
the number one cause.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But we take your cause on this is if you have,
if you've had to deal with diabetes, or if you
live with it, how are you managing it? But also
if you've, if you've been at risk of it, have
you managed to sort of defeat it. I do know
a few people have actually been given some pretty strong
warnings about diabetes that if they continue the way they're going,
and they've actually not that where Neither either of us
(28:34):
are doctors in terms of giving advice on how to
avoid it, but we want to hear your stories about
it as well because it is Diabetes Action Month.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
My point, Tim is that we can't minimize the the
issue around sugar and its contribution. There's no point minimizing
it and trying to just put it to the one side. Well,
it might contribute, it might not. Don't worry about sugar
too much. No, we need to be absolutely conscious about
how much sugar we are eating because it is affecting
and hurting far more people than alcohol and cigarettes combined.
(29:04):
Because we all eat that's why.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, and we're also taking your calls if you've got
If you're looking at this time of the year and
you're thinking it's getting into the silly season, it's not
quite the silly season, it is it. It's getting pretty close.
What are we about? Seven weeks to Christmas? Have you
ever gone through burnout? But what do you do to
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Speaker 3 (29:29):
He'd be seven. Oh, there's a bit of a cure
(29:49):
for burnout, isn't it? A little bit of Dolly and
Kenny Islands on the stream. Guest is Kent Kent John's
from Kent John's Health. Let's take some calls.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Roger High Yeah, good look. I've twice been diagnosed with
two diabetes, once when I was forty, and you know,
I sort of embarcked on the course of changing my
diet and doing a lot of exercise and reversed it
then and now I'm sixty three, and about six months ago,
(30:20):
I mean probably for the last i'd be fair to
say I for the last year, and so I felt
like I was just fort to you know, through stress
and things. Just been eating whatever I wanted, you know,
quite quite bad, really a lot of a lot of
sugar and stuff like that. And again I've been on
a on a pretty pretty strict regime. I find I've
(30:43):
got to either be I've either got to be sort
of one hundred percent spector or I'm just off the rails.
There's not much moderation for me. And again, my my
numbers have come right down, you know, so I definitely
think it's it's it's possible for most people, you know,
not all like you said before, but most people, if
(31:05):
they if they change their diet, cut out the sugar,
probably cut out a lot of the fat as well,
because because you know, the sugar is sort of is bad,
but your body doesn't deal with the sugar so well.
If you have if you have been having a high
fat diet as well.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, that's that's the standard American diet, high fat, high sugar,
and the fat generally is not the problem to the
problem is that fat carries a lot of calories and
the body doesn't know what to do with those calories
because it's having to deal with the sugar. That's great, though,
to hear Roger and that's encouraging stuff. That what he's
been able to do is to put in to practice
those self care mechanisms tim And it probably is for
(31:47):
Roger that he's just his ability, his metabolic ability to
withstand sugar is probably very low.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
So some of us.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Can tolerate a lot of rubbish food before we get sick.
Some of other people can only tolerate a very little
amount before things start to go haywire. So it's good
for Roger that he's got that information on board.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
By the way, you can't go to Diabetes Action Month
for DOT or DOT in Z and you can actually
fill out a quick questionnaire as to whether you're at
risk of diabetes. And it's actually quite a useful little
questionnaire because it helps you sort of identify or maybe
that's the thing I ticked that box maybe for exercise,
but more I'll be all right, because it's basically says,
do I am I physically active and I have away
from my height?
Speaker 5 (32:25):
All those certainly helps if you're physically active.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
The battleground is food.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah, just like any other chronic disease that we can
talk about, the battle ground is food.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Right, Let's go to some more calls Greg, Hello, yeah, good,
fel good.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
Here you go, Hello, yeah yeah good Yeah. I'm just
I'm just queering. What's there is classic coke and no cake?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Oh, coke zero? You mean all that stuff?
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Yah knows well, it used to be, but now it's
no sugar, no sugar.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Coke's it's a It's a better but still poor choice, Greg,
because of the response in the body to the sweetness
that the body anticipates sugar. So and if you have
a one mouthful of coke zero or Pepsi max or whatever,
it's super sweet. The body says, sugar's coming, Sugar's coming,
Sugar's coming, So it loads up, gets ready to go,
(33:21):
produces a whole lot of inchellin the sugar doesn't turn up,
but your metabolic health will suffer because of it. There's
a guy called doctor Robert Lustig in the United States.
He's a terrific follow and he talks about these drinks,
and he is an absolute guru on metabolic health. And
he said, five years ago they probably didn't know enough
as to talk about the toxicity of sugar free drinks.
(33:43):
Now they do. They're about half as toxic as a
regular coke, about half about half as bad, but it's
still bad.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Depends on the type of sweetener.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
There's something about the stevia versus aspartamine or something I
can't remember, but I.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Didn't like to see you yet. Scrap.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
We we don't know enough yet to mister how that
impacts our gut health.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I always just think, just have sparkling water. Always feels
like you're having something festive.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Anyway, sugar free drinks lead to inflammation. They lead to
all sorts of problems, even though they are truthfully a
better choice.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Okay, right, let's take some more calls.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Adam High, Yeah, hey, how are you get am?
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (34:25):
Guys, Yeah, I just thought i'd call it done. Interesting
a long time listen their first time caller. But I
was diagnosed with that one percent mitochondrial genetic diabetes two
years ago.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
It's been a bit of a journey since then.
Speaker 9 (34:40):
As a you know, generally a fit, active five year
old always sort of lendered what was wrong with me
with myself in earlier days, you know, I used to
get real lot headed, shaky. But yeah, I've been on
a bit of a journey. So I got diagnosed two
years ago. So I'm not sure whether it fits into
(35:04):
TIP one on type two, but I do take insulin
in the evenings and repid insulin when.
Speaker 8 (35:11):
The blood spike.
Speaker 9 (35:12):
But yeah, it's a bit of a tough journey, I
must say.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Yeah, oh thanks for telling us about that. How do
you think you're coping? Are you going all right?
Speaker 9 (35:19):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Yeah, not too bad.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
It's you know, I'm seeing specialists and also going through
like the public system. So the glucose monitoring device that's
just been funded from the first of October is a
life changer room, I say, because you know, you know
exactly what foods and what drinks you know work and
don't work. So I think that's a bit of a
(35:43):
miracle that that was funded for type ones, but also
for the genetic you know percentage of the population that
unfortunately Gondon as well.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, and do you have to pay close attention to
to mark us on a daily basis and also your
HbA one C level.
Speaker 9 (36:00):
Yeah, every three months, every three months. So the HBO
A one C I'm still not perfect made on sixty one,
which you need to be obviously under forty. But yeah,
it's pretty tough. I must say. You know, I run
a lot. I'm fitting a very fat and active. But yeah,
it's not as easy I think, just saying that, you know,
(36:20):
you need to stick to low carves, low sugar foods,
because yeah, it's pretty broup, especially if you're on the run.
You know, there's not that many options out there all
the time. Yeah, yeah, And I'm just wondering, yeah, like,
did you do you have any other cases that you
know you might know of yourself from that mitochondrial and
(36:41):
a younger you know, younger age demographic.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
No, I can't say I have come across this at
personally or individually. The people that I've coached have all
been either type just a classic type one diabetic on
unshillin or type two and they then get their HbA
one C to come down more often than not just
through dietary intervention. You're your body function, your metabolisms probably
(37:08):
giving you a real real challenge.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Hey, by the sounds of.
Speaker 9 (37:10):
It, yeah it is. But to be honest, I felt
the best I've ever felt in the last two years,
which doesn't quite make sense, but it does now because
you know, I'll cut out bears completely. Here you go
in the low card bears and change the gin I say.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Right, sideways, move good on Adam. Hey, thanks for you
co mate. We've got to head to a break just quickly.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
If you are what would be the signs that would
make because you generally need to go to a doctor,
get to get referred for a blood test or whatever
the testers for diabetes, wouldn't you.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
If you don't go and get yourself a blood test.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
I would recommend that once a year go and get
a warrant of fitness and then ask for a blood test.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
See the dot for the warrant fitness.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Get the warrant fitness from the nurse and the doctor.
But then you're also entitled to go and grab a
blood test whenever you like. And if the doctor queried that,
you just say, hey, I want to know what's going
on here. I'll look after myself, So you go and
get your blood test as often as you can to.
Symptoms would be inflammation, poor sleep, poor skin, terrible energy levels,
weight gain, feeling bloated, all sorts of different things.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Actually, if you concerned about your health and if you're worried,
it's always good to talk to a health professional. Yeah right,
we'll be back in just to ticket's eight and a
half minutes to five News talks, he'd b news talks HEADB.
This is a health HABITM beverage. My guest is Kent John's.
We're talking a little bit about diabetes and also burnout.
Time for one more quick call, Karen.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Hello, Oh hi, how are you?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I'm good? How you Karen?
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Good?
Speaker 7 (38:34):
Good?
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Good.
Speaker 10 (38:35):
I had a neighbor who was diabetic, and I said
to him, do you want to get rid of your diabetes?
And he said yeah. So I told him what to
do to fast. He did the five two diet and
then he went back to his doctor one month later
and his doctor didn't said he didn't need medication anymore.
And then within one month he was off all meds
(38:56):
his diabetes and his doctor was shocked. They said, what
did you do? And he said, I fasted because when
you fast, you reduce your insulin, which then gets rid
of your type two diabetes.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Probably always best to get a bit of a bit
of I mean, generally you get a bit of advice
from your doctor one what you should do, wouldn't you Yes?
Speaker 10 (39:17):
Yes, So I did tell him to go to his doctor,
and you know, but he that on him. He decided
not to and he just said it himself and within
one month, he was off all medications to type the
diabetes because by fasting, you reduce your insulin, which then
reduces because if you get if you reduce your insulin,
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your diabetes would disappear. That's type two I'm talking about.
Because of causes is high insulin.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Good stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
You're getting the insulin down as absolutely essential to him.
So that's that's a great story. Care And I've heard
this many, many, many times two Tim is that doctors
will go, wow, how did you do this?
Speaker 5 (39:57):
And the person has just changed what.
Speaker 10 (40:00):
Even I was very close to pre diabetes, but because
of my fast thing, I avoided it and now my
bludge was the thirty eight good stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Karen, Hey, thanks so much for your core. Gosh, time
flies and you're having fun. Kent John's Health dot cod.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
At n zed or give us a shout at the
Autonomy Clinic. Tim come on and say good ay, we'd
love to see you.
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