November 30, 2025 • 11 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Monday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Maybe We Should Save the Planet After All/Nobody Wants To Be Judged By Their Peers/What If You Don't Want a Clinic?/AFC Sinks/Raising the Albo
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk. Said be
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap, Good Idea and welcome to the rewrap for Monday,
all the best bits from the MI casting breakfast on
news Talks. He'd be in a sillier package. I'm Glen
Heart today jury trials. I don't think any of us
really want to be judged by our peers. De we
we'll get to that shortly. As giving GPS a loan
so they can start their own clinics, going to solve
(00:46):
all our problems and health Auckland FC not the best
weekend for them, and Alban Easy and as Beer and
his secret wedding before any of that. Climate policy. Are
we saving the planet or are we not saving the planet?
(01:08):
It's so confused. I thought Savy the planet was off.
Is it back on again?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Is their hope for climate change? After all? There's your
opening question for a Monday Morning. Revealed last week, we
are on track to meet our twenty twenty six twenty
thirty targets. This is despite every greenie going thinking the
current government is some sort of fossil fuel loving luddite. Meantime, Australia,
they announced their biggest reduction in emissions since COVID. So
what's going on? Although the big picture doesn't look good,
(01:33):
I must say, I mean I doubt the world gets
the net zero by twenty fifty through our actions alone.
There seems to be much hope in the fact we
don't know what we don't know. The variables involve science
who may do a bunch of remarkable stuff we haven't
even thought of, or if we have, we haven't fully developed.
But our target for twenty six through thirty is helped
by trees that are absorbing CO two at a rate
we didn't anticipate, so we are underestimating their impact. Haven't
(01:57):
had to do a thing, and yet the target looks
more real, And surely it's that sort of eventuality. We
need to be more open too. Given the zalids are
all about the provable the tangible, the intervention simply doesn't
deliver on the promise. The Australian example and reference to
COVID is what we learned in COVID is when you
do nothing economically, emissions drop, sort of like life return
to fourteen thirty five. And we also learned that we
(02:18):
are not prepared to create or impose that sort of
economic damage on our lifestyles. Australia got their result while
burning and producing more gas. Of course, we got there
by reducing our promises and targets, and yet the trees
came to the party. Obsession, you see, is not always
a good trait, especially if it gets in the way
of common sense or broad based buy And I don't
know anyone who wouldn't be happy making a climate target,
(02:40):
but I do know a lot of people that aren't
prepared to up in their lives to do it. So
maybe these two results are your happy medium, your mediated
middle ground. We got there, we may still get their
long term but in the ensuing period, let's drop the
angst and the fury and the mad ranting and focus
more on the sensible and the doors.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Ah, sensible and doable is no fun. We like angst
and ran tank, don't we? Madness, there's the entertainment value?
And sensible? Is it sensible to not have so many
jury trials and to just let the judges make the decision?
(03:17):
It says to be what they're leaning towards In the
UK anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
The UK, just as Secretary Lammy has suggested the end
of the jury trial except for rape, murder, manslaughter, or
what he calls cases that pass a national interest test.
Now the idea has received the sort of reaction you
would expect from the usual court, as you would expect
it from. Now, my hope is we might want to
look at something a little bit similar here. Now, the
weight like the UK for a trial in this country's absurd.
(03:42):
Of course, the system's overwhelmed. Getting a jury is hard work.
It's never going to get any easier. So if we
expect the system and it doesn't function in a way
that we would want, judge only I would have thought
would be an immediate improvement and efficiency. Could I also
be controversial and suggest the reality is that most people
who end up in court are in fact guilty of
(04:03):
what they're accused of doing, Which is not to change
the idea that you were innocent until proven otherwise. It's
just that you can mount a fairly solid argument that
a jury is made up of a collection of people
who may or may not want to be there, or
may or may not know what's really going on, or
may or may not get nuance and minutia. I have
certain aspects of the law, and therefore as a collective
be a fairly weak representation of the justice you seek.
(04:25):
In a way, it's like democracy if you think about it.
I mean, we love the idea of democracy, but at
local body level, for example, we literally can't be bothered.
We don't even turn up. So is the idea still
a sound one even if it doesn't work being judged
by a jury of your peers? I mean, what a
wonderfully eighteen hundred style of thinking. But here in the
real world has got a very stale, arduous sort of
vibe about it these days. I would have thought, why
(04:47):
is it important that twelve people agree on something? Well,
it isn't, of course if they can't, because in some
cases you then make it eleven. Oh it's not twelve,
as it's eleven, and so the rules are malliable. In fact,
in some places in cases it's ten. So let's not
get all rigid because the law's been around for a while.
If the basic premise is justice being seen to be done,
(05:07):
then the wing has to have an element of pace
about it, not rush, not rubber stamped and open to skullduggery.
But an efficient system seemed to be working well now
you can't argue we have that or anywhere close to it.
Lammy of the UK has been bold and good on them.
Let's hope the same boldness resides somewhere here as well.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I can't think of anything more distressing than turning up
to court and seeing a jury of people like me
there past judgment of me. Horrendous thought. That's what sometimes
people have said to me, Oh, you would have been
a good teacher. You should have been a teacher. And
I always said to them, imagine if I turned up
and somebody like me and my class a disaster. Same
(05:49):
thing with the jury. They it was just me looking
back at me. Oh my god. Here's the thought. Right,
We're all agreed we want more doctors, but it's giving
them their own clinics with an interest free loan. Is
that the way to get them?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Like GP issues in New Zealand could be improved and
they just worked full time in Wanaka, they all work
part time and often take huge holiday breaks. Very frustrating
and very difficult to get an appointment. Mike. The reason
the GP clinics don't sell easily is because their remmuneration
systems broken. They don't make enough money to justify the
cost and the hard work instead of a lolly scramble.
Asia and Labor should be thinking about fixing the system
(06:28):
for all. Might be a bit hard for Asia and Barbara.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Though.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
The interesting thing about yes, excuse me Yesterday's announcement, I'm
not sure you can really argue against it. I mean,
it's pocket change. I think they priced it out at
thirty million or something. I mean, think about the number
of people who want to buy a practice, and who
want to buy a practice and would then get a cheap,
slash free, interest free loan from the government of the day.
(06:51):
I mean it's literally a handful of people. I mean
they've limited to fifty practices. I doubt they'll peek out
at fifty practices. So it was one of those promises
you can't really criticize, but then you can't get excited
about it either because I'm not sure it's going to
make one jot of difference either way. It was one
of those is that the best you can do is
that as good as you got, is that your best shot?
(07:11):
Why you're telling us this at the end of you conference.
I would have thought they would have gone for some
sort of blockbuster, But then again, what Ana.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, I just would have thought if I was
a doctor, I want my life to be as stress
free as possible and running my own business while trying
to be a doctor. That doesn't sound I don't care
how interest free the loan is for how long rewrap right.
Very rainy in Auckland yesterday. In fact, I'm struggling to
remember a time it rained quite so much as it
(07:40):
did at certain points in the day yesterday. Terrible time
to unfortunately have a football match in the middle of
it all. Of course, watching the.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Football yesterday, I was watching the football while I was
waiting for the supercars to start. Anyway, you wouldn't have
seen much of the football because of rain fade, of course,
because we're still living in nineteen sixty two. Anyway, when
it started raining the field, the Auckland field, it was
just like something you couldn't believe. And Auckland lost and
there's no crowd. So I need to find out from
Jason Pine what is going on. So this was the
team that just just said every a light last year.
(08:09):
This year there's no crowd and they can't win, So
what's the problem. And that's before the fact that you're
playing in the swimming pool.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, certainly, it doesn't make it easier playing in a
swimming pool, does it. It's very hard to hold your breath.
The end score goals at SA I wasn't watching the game,
but I was keeping an eye on the score and
the funny thing, you've got so used to sort of
aucland you know, winning or drawing in the last minutes
of the game or even an extra time. Now, I
(08:37):
just assumed that they would eventually just equalize all the
way through and then it, Yeah, it just didn't happen.
I thought, well, my phone must be broken. Three wrap right,
let's finish up here with a secret wedding. It's pretty
clever when you can be the leader of a country
and get married in secret, well down in Australia.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Let me ask you this question, is having your own
branded or labeled beer at your wedding slightly uncouth?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I thought you were going to say the most awesome
thing either.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Okay, so you'd be so. Elbow gets married over the weekend.
Story about Elbow getting married over the weekend at the
lodge was interesting because, of course we all knew he
was going to get married, and there was quite a
bit of you know, chitter chatter about the place, about
where he was going to do it and how he
was going to do it and why I was going
to do it and all that sort of stuff. Anyway,
it turned out to be at the Lodge because of security,
and once they started looking into it, they started to
get worried. And it says something about our times. They
(09:34):
started to get worried about protest. It's not crazy, it's
you know, they weren't going to up end the thing,
but protesters who were going to start yelling and chanting
and trying to disrupt it and get on social media
and all that sort of stuff. So they'd said, we
need to keep it top secret. Apparently those who went,
there's only forty people. Those who went new. A lot
of people who didn't go new, but they were sworn
to secrecy, including the media, and the media kept it
(09:56):
quiet to their credit. And so he got married over
the weekend at the lodge and with forty bit but
they had their own branded pale ale and if you haven't.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Seen any at yeah, it's a.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Can of and it's not just like a just payal
ale that we had. There was a photo of them
on the can. Now I get the thing. You go, ah, yeah,
I was there. Look here's my can of Jody and
elbow payal ale. I get that bet. But as am
I just being a snob again, there's just something slightly
(10:30):
down market about producing your own beer can not even
a nice side.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
My brother used to have one of the Canniby draft
ones with the ran Fury shield on it.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And that's not a wedding. It's kind of fully shield.
That's like a proper thing. It's just like a wedding.
It's just anyway, how much do your paper can if
you're getting your own beer printed?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And my brother texted me after that and said he's
still got that can in pristine conditioned. So then you
I feel like there must be a marketing opportunity there
to sell that alban Easy beer more widely. Is it
just called elbow, because then you can do a whole
campaign about raising your elbow. I should have stopped the
(11:13):
I should have stopped before I see that. I sort
of I sensed a sort of a group reaction from
you through time and space back to me that you
all sort of went, uh, should have should have finished
it before you made that elbow Joe. Sorry, guys, I'll
see you back here again tomorrow. Raise an elbow in
the meantime, maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
For more from News Talk said B listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk. Said be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap, Good Idea and welcome to the rewrap for Monday,
all the best bits from the MI casting breakfast on
news Talks. He'd be in a sillier package. I'm Glen
Heart today jury trials. I don't think any of us
really want to be judged by our peers. De we
we'll get to that shortly. As giving GPS a loan
so they can start their own clinics, going to solve
(00:46):
all our problems and health Auckland FC not the best
weekend for them, and Alban Easy and as Beer and
his secret wedding before any of that. Climate policy. Are
we saving the planet or are we not saving the planet?
(01:08):
It's so confused. I thought Savy the planet was off.
Is it back on again?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Is their hope for climate change? After all? There's your
opening question for a Monday Morning. Revealed last week, we
are on track to meet our twenty twenty six twenty
thirty targets. This is despite every greenie going thinking the
current government is some sort of fossil fuel loving luddite. Meantime, Australia,
they announced their biggest reduction in emissions since COVID. So
what's going on? Although the big picture doesn't look good,
(01:33):
I must say, I mean I doubt the world gets
the net zero by twenty fifty through our actions alone.
There seems to be much hope in the fact we
don't know what we don't know. The variables involve science
who may do a bunch of remarkable stuff we haven't
even thought of, or if we have, we haven't fully developed.
But our target for twenty six through thirty is helped
by trees that are absorbing CO two at a rate
we didn't anticipate, so we are underestimating their impact. Haven't
(01:57):
had to do a thing, and yet the target looks
more real, And surely it's that sort of eventuality. We
need to be more open too. Given the zalids are
all about the provable the tangible, the intervention simply doesn't
deliver on the promise. The Australian example and reference to
COVID is what we learned in COVID is when you
do nothing economically, emissions drop, sort of like life return
to fourteen thirty five. And we also learned that we
(02:18):
are not prepared to create or impose that sort of
economic damage on our lifestyles. Australia got their result while
burning and producing more gas. Of course, we got there
by reducing our promises and targets, and yet the trees
came to the party. Obsession, you see, is not always
a good trait, especially if it gets in the way
of common sense or broad based buy And I don't
know anyone who wouldn't be happy making a climate target,
(02:40):
but I do know a lot of people that aren't
prepared to up in their lives to do it. So
maybe these two results are your happy medium, your mediated
middle ground. We got there, we may still get their
long term but in the ensuing period, let's drop the
angst and the fury and the mad ranting and focus
more on the sensible and the doors.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Ah, sensible and doable is no fun. We like angst
and ran tank, don't we? Madness, there's the entertainment value?
And sensible? Is it sensible to not have so many
jury trials and to just let the judges make the decision?
(03:17):
It says to be what they're leaning towards In the
UK anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
The UK, just as Secretary Lammy has suggested the end
of the jury trial except for rape, murder, manslaughter, or
what he calls cases that pass a national interest test.
Now the idea has received the sort of reaction you
would expect from the usual court, as you would expect
it from. Now, my hope is we might want to
look at something a little bit similar here. Now, the
weight like the UK for a trial in this country's absurd.
(03:42):
Of course, the system's overwhelmed. Getting a jury is hard work.
It's never going to get any easier. So if we
expect the system and it doesn't function in a way
that we would want, judge only I would have thought
would be an immediate improvement and efficiency. Could I also
be controversial and suggest the reality is that most people
who end up in court are in fact guilty of
(04:03):
what they're accused of doing, Which is not to change
the idea that you were innocent until proven otherwise. It's
just that you can mount a fairly solid argument that
a jury is made up of a collection of people
who may or may not want to be there, or
may or may not know what's really going on, or
may or may not get nuance and minutia. I have
certain aspects of the law, and therefore as a collective
be a fairly weak representation of the justice you seek.
(04:25):
In a way, it's like democracy if you think about it.
I mean, we love the idea of democracy, but at
local body level, for example, we literally can't be bothered.
We don't even turn up. So is the idea still
a sound one even if it doesn't work being judged
by a jury of your peers? I mean, what a
wonderfully eighteen hundred style of thinking. But here in the
real world has got a very stale, arduous sort of
vibe about it these days. I would have thought, why
(04:47):
is it important that twelve people agree on something? Well,
it isn't, of course if they can't, because in some
cases you then make it eleven. Oh it's not twelve,
as it's eleven, and so the rules are malliable. In fact,
in some places in cases it's ten. So let's not
get all rigid because the law's been around for a while.
If the basic premise is justice being seen to be done,
(05:07):
then the wing has to have an element of pace
about it, not rush, not rubber stamped and open to skullduggery.
But an efficient system seemed to be working well now
you can't argue we have that or anywhere close to it.
Lammy of the UK has been bold and good on them.
Let's hope the same boldness resides somewhere here as well.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I can't think of anything more distressing than turning up
to court and seeing a jury of people like me
there past judgment of me. Horrendous thought. That's what sometimes
people have said to me, Oh, you would have been
a good teacher. You should have been a teacher. And
I always said to them, imagine if I turned up
and somebody like me and my class a disaster. Same
(05:49):
thing with the jury. They it was just me looking
back at me. Oh my god. Here's the thought. Right,
We're all agreed we want more doctors, but it's giving
them their own clinics with an interest free loan. Is
that the way to get them?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Like GP issues in New Zealand could be improved and
they just worked full time in Wanaka, they all work
part time and often take huge holiday breaks. Very frustrating
and very difficult to get an appointment. Mike. The reason
the GP clinics don't sell easily is because their remmuneration
systems broken. They don't make enough money to justify the
cost and the hard work instead of a lolly scramble.
Asia and Labor should be thinking about fixing the system
(06:28):
for all. Might be a bit hard for Asia and Barbara.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Though.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
The interesting thing about yes, excuse me Yesterday's announcement, I'm
not sure you can really argue against it. I mean,
it's pocket change. I think they priced it out at
thirty million or something. I mean, think about the number
of people who want to buy a practice, and who
want to buy a practice and would then get a cheap,
slash free, interest free loan from the government of the day.
(06:51):
I mean it's literally a handful of people. I mean
they've limited to fifty practices. I doubt they'll peek out
at fifty practices. So it was one of those promises
you can't really criticize, but then you can't get excited
about it either because I'm not sure it's going to
make one jot of difference either way. It was one
of those is that the best you can do is
that as good as you got, is that your best shot?
(07:11):
Why you're telling us this at the end of you conference.
I would have thought they would have gone for some
sort of blockbuster, But then again, what Ana.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, I just would have thought if I was
a doctor, I want my life to be as stress
free as possible and running my own business while trying
to be a doctor. That doesn't sound I don't care
how interest free the loan is for how long rewrap right.
Very rainy in Auckland yesterday. In fact, I'm struggling to
remember a time it rained quite so much as it
(07:40):
did at certain points in the day yesterday. Terrible time
to unfortunately have a football match in the middle of
it all. Of course, watching the.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Football yesterday, I was watching the football while I was
waiting for the supercars to start. Anyway, you wouldn't have
seen much of the football because of rain fade, of course,
because we're still living in nineteen sixty two. Anyway, when
it started raining the field, the Auckland field, it was
just like something you couldn't believe. And Auckland lost and
there's no crowd. So I need to find out from
Jason Pine what is going on. So this was the
team that just just said every a light last year.
(08:09):
This year there's no crowd and they can't win, So
what's the problem. And that's before the fact that you're
playing in the swimming pool.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, certainly, it doesn't make it easier playing in a
swimming pool, does it. It's very hard to hold your breath.
The end score goals at SA I wasn't watching the game,
but I was keeping an eye on the score and
the funny thing, you've got so used to sort of
aucland you know, winning or drawing in the last minutes
of the game or even an extra time. Now, I
(08:37):
just assumed that they would eventually just equalize all the
way through and then it, Yeah, it just didn't happen.
I thought, well, my phone must be broken. Three wrap right,
let's finish up here with a secret wedding. It's pretty
clever when you can be the leader of a country
and get married in secret, well down in Australia.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Let me ask you this question, is having your own
branded or labeled beer at your wedding slightly uncouth?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I thought you were going to say the most awesome
thing either.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Okay, so you'd be so. Elbow gets married over the weekend.
Story about Elbow getting married over the weekend at the
lodge was interesting because, of course we all knew he
was going to get married, and there was quite a
bit of you know, chitter chatter about the place, about
where he was going to do it and how he
was going to do it and why I was going
to do it and all that sort of stuff. Anyway,
it turned out to be at the Lodge because of security,
and once they started looking into it, they started to
get worried. And it says something about our times. They
(09:34):
started to get worried about protest. It's not crazy, it's
you know, they weren't going to up end the thing,
but protesters who were going to start yelling and chanting
and trying to disrupt it and get on social media
and all that sort of stuff. So they'd said, we
need to keep it top secret. Apparently those who went,
there's only forty people. Those who went new. A lot
of people who didn't go new, but they were sworn
to secrecy, including the media, and the media kept it
(09:56):
quiet to their credit. And so he got married over
the weekend at the lodge and with forty bit but
they had their own branded pale ale and if you haven't.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Seen any at yeah, it's a.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Can of and it's not just like a just payal
ale that we had. There was a photo of them
on the can. Now I get the thing. You go, ah, yeah,
I was there. Look here's my can of Jody and
elbow payal ale. I get that bet. But as am
I just being a snob again, there's just something slightly
(10:30):
down market about producing your own beer can not even
a nice side.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
My brother used to have one of the Canniby draft
ones with the ran Fury shield on it.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And that's not a wedding. It's kind of fully shield.
That's like a proper thing. It's just like a wedding.
It's just anyway, how much do your paper can if
you're getting your own beer printed?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And my brother texted me after that and said he's
still got that can in pristine conditioned. So then you
I feel like there must be a marketing opportunity there
to sell that alban Easy beer more widely. Is it
just called elbow, because then you can do a whole
campaign about raising your elbow. I should have stopped the
(11:13):
I should have stopped before I see that. I sort
of I sensed a sort of a group reaction from
you through time and space back to me that you
all sort of went, uh, should have should have finished
it before you made that elbow Joe. Sorry, guys, I'll
see you back here again tomorrow. Raise an elbow in
the meantime, maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
For more from News Talk said B listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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