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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Okay, then welcome to the rewrap for Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
All the best, but it's from the Mike Husking breakfast
on news Talk said, be in a sillier package. I
am Glen Hart, and today the right to repair?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Should we have that? Do we need it? The stop
start automatically button? And cars? Why do we have that?
And can we not have that?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Please?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
And we're going to finish up talking about the price
of salmon.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I know we talked about this yesterday, but apparently we
need to talk about it again today. The first art
the issue that I'm pretty sure might declared was rather Baltway.
It's so bout way, in fact, that he did two
editorials on it today.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Did I suggest it has been a while since we've
had a debate of such potential. This is the pay
equity law. It's now done, of course, So the debate
around it is not about whether it should or shouldn't
go ahead, because it already has. So the debate about
whether or not those against it can now muster enough
energy and noise to try and cause enough pain to
a government that may or may not be aware enough
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or able enough to respond. That's the key here, my guess.
And there's already a very long line of those saying
this is trouble for the government and it will bite them.
But my guess is it actually won't. And it won't
not because it isn't a political risk because it is,
not because they got it out of the way fast
under urgency, because they did, but because it's become increasingly
obvious to more and more rob us that this country
is on its knees and unless something pretty drastic is
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done and fast, we are in very, very serious fiscal trouble.
There is actually the more important argument around equity that
it's been hijacked by the unions and now it's used
as a sledgehammer for random and mass numbers of large
pay increases for union based jobs that really have nothing
to do with women or men. But I suspect that
aspect of it is a little bit nuanced for many,
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and made more complicated by the fact those who hate
what has happened here continued to deliberately muddy the waters
with a motive language like paying people what they're worth
and women getting paid less with the same job, which
of course is separate and not remotely true. The hope
the government will have is that the last six and
in particular three years of abject fiscal vandalism that got
us into this mess is still real and raw enough
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for most of us to work out that living and
growing debt is a fast track to the poorhouse. It
shows to a degree the power of largesse of free stuff.
I am convinced the percentage of the population that lapped
up the handouts and bugger the consequences grew under labour.
An easy path is a popular path filled by a
lack of rigor in questions. What this government is trying
to do is write a very very damaged chip and
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these are the sort of prices we have to pay.
So that's the bet, that's the debate. Let's see if
needles get moved.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
This is a hotly debated topic of discussion in the hearthouse.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Are going to assure you.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And when I say debated, I've got a lot of
women telling me how the world works from every angle,
So it's not debated. It's just me.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Tacking that on board.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
The rewrap.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
The real question for me, as have they slightly done
this at this particular midpoint of their electoral term before
it can become an election issue late next year.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Here's another example of the way the pay equity game
is played by the media. If you choose not to
call a minister a sea word, you can run a
headline like this ministers set to take big pay rises
right after wiping thirty three pay equity claims. Now that
was the headline and newsroom yesterday. It's dishonest in its inference,
it's emotive, it misrepresents what's happening, and in that is
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the government's battle to try and convince the casual observer
there is merit in what they have done and changing
the law. Firstly, a minister's pay and an equity claim
are to completely different things. Secondly, a minister's pay is
not equity based because a woman a minister gets what
a male minister gets, always have, always will, making it
slightly more complicated. A minister's pay is not merit base.
They all get the same no matter how hard they work,
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how many portfolios they have, how good they are or
are not. Thirdly, although the thirty three equity claims were wiped,
it doesn't mean they were stopped from going ahead under
new rules. It doesn't mean they won't succeed under new rules.
We haven't yet seen how that particular story unfolds. Fourthly,
and part of the reason for the rule change is
a lot of the claims were not equity claims. They
were bargaining masquerading as equity from the Union's Fifthly, the
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fact a minister get to pay rise is not a
minister's doing. It's an independent body over which a minister
has no control. Like an equity claim, the body looks
at similar work to a minister's and makes a call
based on those numbers. The irony of that being who
do you compare a minister to You can't. Of course,
a PM especially is unique, so it's a muddle. It's
a system that's okay only because we can't think of
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another one. But at no point is it about equity.
The emotion of the debate overtook the rationale of the
debate the moment Brook van Velden made the announcement and
it's gone downhill ever since. And Sixthly, the headline uses
the word claim in ministerial pay there is no claim,
just an occasional decision. Independently reached. So overall, in terms
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of discourse around a detailed of not complex issue apples
and apples is what you might hope for, not immaturity
and muddied waters, which is what we've got.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
The trouble is muddy water sticks, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And the perception becomes reality pretty quickly, and it doesn't
take too many headlines before he will have decided that
they've been completely betrayed by the party they may or
may not have voted for, and they will definitely remember
this come the next election. I will you mark my words.
That's just a quote, by the way, that's not me
saying that. Now, speaking of interesting legislation, do we need
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a law around or a set of laws around the
right to repair? More important lyders Mike actually understand exactly
what it is.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
My mate, Gelban came around ketch it assembly. We bought
a bike. Foolish decision. The bike has a battery operated.
They call it a flight panel, which is a very
grandiose thing for the numbers that come up on the screen. Anyway,
there was no way you can under.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
We're talking about stationary bike here.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Stationary bike right, okay, spin bike right right, I just
thought that you had like a bike that you were
biking around flight panel.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It's a flight panel anyway, the flight panel couldn't get
them off, had all the screwdrivers, all the tech spent
three weekends on it. Galvin comes round, it's done.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
See that's the thing you can have the right to repair, but.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Should you exactly? That's my whole point. How much stuff
do you want to muck around with? And what risk
are you taking that you will kill yourself or indeed
somebody else with frustration.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It's the avoiding the warranty thing that I think people
have a problem with that if you try and fix
something yourself. You know those labels, stickers, covers that say
if you remove this and you're not a qualified technician,
the warranty will be avoid blah blah, And you're thinking, well,
the warranty, he's already expired. That's why I'm trying to
fix it myself. Otherwise it would have just taken it
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in and right.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
So it's more complex. The more you get into it,
the more complicated it gets.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Rewrap.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I wish there was a way I could take the
cover off the whatever it is that tells my car
to stop automatically at intersections.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
God bless Donald Trump. It's not the first time I've
said that, and probably won't be the last. But what
I didn't realize is the EPA, which is the Environment
Protection Agency. He signed an executive order, and the executive
order said that you've got to scrap ten regulations for
every new one you introduce. So far, so good. One
of the things they're looking at scrapping is in your car,
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the stop start system. And the sooner they scrap that,
the better. And if they do that successfully and that
goes global, I will vote for Donald Trump. In fact,
I'll have Donald Trump's baby because it is the stupidest thing.
And that do you know what else? The EU? It
all came out of the EU. The EU are now
looking at getting rid of carbon carbon bits in your car,
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so when you buy a car, the flashbits can be carbon.
In fact, you pay on flash cars a lot of
extra money. You're talking carbon carbon fiber, and so your
carbon fiber mirror, your carbon fiber splitter, your carbon fiber
roof carbon fiber bits in there. They want to ban
that because they don't like carbon anymore. So anyway, Trump's
counteracting that if he can get rid of the stop
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go God bless.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I just don't understand the logic.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, I mean, I guess that the logic was that
they don't want cars sitting polluting the atmosphere when they're
not going anywhere. But surely it's less economical to be
stopping and starting your car, and also hard a wearing
on the parts of your car, so.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You're going to end up with a bigger carbon footprint
at the end of it, aren't you.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's never made any sense to me, that stupid thing,
and I always turned it off straight away.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Luckily there is a baton to do that.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I just don't understand why that baton can't stay pressed
and why you have to press every time you turn
on your cat.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
It's part of mon. That's all memory.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Now, it's the rewrap, right.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Mike got very exercise about the price of salmon yesterday.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Why salmon yesterday. Very good morning to the people at
New Zealand King Salmon, who went to great lengths apparently
to tell us how much they love the program when
Sammy called them Sami's research assistant on the program, just
to introduce them to you. So my big thing over
the weekend was I discovered by accident that the cost
of smoked salmon appears to be well in excess of
one hundred dollars a kilo. And I was fully primed
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on the business of I Philip being anywhere between sixty
and seventy dollars a kilo. Lamb cutlet's being right up
there snap of being about fifty something dollars a kilo.
But smoke salmon turns out to be in a league
of its own. And I spent a bit of time
over the weekend after we paid one hundred and thirteen
dollars only to find it you can go to the
supermarket and buy your regular stuff at one hundred and
twenty five to one hundred and twenty nine dollars a kilo,
I said to Semi Semi, I said, this is normal.
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What happens? How did something get to be so fantastically expensive?
So he rings king salmon. They do smoke salmon in
the high fifties double the regular salmon. And as I was,
I was right in suggesting yesterday, when you smoke it
you lose half the yield. Of course, geographically a lot
of salmon places are isolated, so you've got charging costs
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on top of that, they claim me in New Zealand
charges a lot to transport. You've got electricity prices, which
is the bog standard excuse for most businesses. We went
to Alraqi Mount cook online. Your hot smoked to sixty
for a nine hundred gram filet so you're dealing with
what are you dealing with? Their seventy ish akilo? That
seems a good deal. High Country salmon was thirty for
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three hundred, so in other words, about one hundred akilo.
So by the time you're getting it, if you're not
doing it online, by the time you get it to
the supermarket, the supermarket are charging, by my estimation, twenty
to twenty nine dollars a kilo just margin. So that's
a lot of margin. We need some kind of inquiry,
I reckon, you need to get some What about the
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grocery commissioner. Where's old Patrick or whatever his name is,
Get him onto this. There's a scandal brewing. We went
to akioa king salmon. They're doing ninety four fifty but
they were sold out. So it's an interesting debate, isn't it.
It's not like people aren't prepared to pay it. It's
not like it's not fabulous product, it's not like it's
not good for you. But it seems that online is
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the way to go direct from the producer as opposed
to the supermarket, because the supermarket making to my I
thirty bucks a kilo as a markup is unnecessarily high,
and maybe we are getting gouged after all. So there's
your But we're called perre pap of indherent, isn't it? Yes, yes,
of course from sanitarium. Now I know how could I
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forget him? So anyway, there's your smokes.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
My question behind all this is has it the seven
always been expensive?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Like?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Are you going to start complaining about them? Accmplaining about
the price of canby at tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
No, if you say, if you seed, if you said
to me how much is salmon? I would have gone
about the same mistake. Sixty bucks aequilo. That would have
been my guess. Not one hundred and thirty nothingnly something
else that's outside of kevia that's more than one hundred
and thirty dollars a kilo. Pine nuts, g seeds, bollocks,
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how much of pine nuts?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
That Sam was getting close with the pine nuts at
some supermarkets. There are hundred nineteen ninety five akilo. I
was way out with the TSCs. Actually quite the cheer
that I also found salmon under thirty dollars a kilo
as well. You just have to get it in the
can and then you're saved big time. Come on, what's
the difference? Seriously, I am Glen hat That was another
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can of my costing breakfast. See you back here again
with the can opener again to morrow.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
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