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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay there and welcome to the Rewrap for Monday. All
the best bits from the Miclasting Breakfast on Newstalks EDB
in a sillier package. I am Glen Heart and today
these harker that people keep doing. It seemed to cause
no end of problems. We've got some more ev myths
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to bus for you. Data centers sound great until you
actually have to power them. And Adele is crying again.
But before any of that, Cop twenty nine they finally
finished it, and now all the problems of the world
have been solved.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yes, now, as Cop twenty nine went into the predictable
over time to try yet again to create the illusion
that something was going to happen, I think we can
fairly reasonably argue that this is one of the least
effective cops ever. The world is tired, tired from well
a whole lot of stuff, really wars, COVID economic shambles,
Trying to save the planet with the recipe of debt
and ideology and restrictive lifestyle is beyond us. Saudi Arabia
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was described by one season participant as a wrecking ball.
They are credited with having one of the most sophisticated
forms of diplomacy going that essentially slows down the process
to the point of seeing it go backwards. It was meant,
of course, as as slight, but part of what they're
doing involves consensus. Now, obviously they've got an interest in oil,
but it is worth pointing out I think that although
they are biased, at least in part, they are biased
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for a very good reason. We actually need oil, oil,
and gas, and we will do so for years of
not decades to come. The ideologues at the other end
of the spectrum of places like cop don't accept that,
of course, and that is at least partially why cops
are the mess they are. When realism is lacking in
a debate, the debate tends to get bogged down. Saudi
Arabia wants consensus from all those who participate in the
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climate debate about two hundred countries. Unless they argue we
all sign up, we can't agree now that suits their purposes,
of course, sort of like the Security Council voting rules
suit the Security Council. Hence nothing gets done. But here
is your reality. Bludgeoning people into submission doesn't and hasn't
worked either. The Paris Accord is a bust. We're not
going to hit one point five degrees, not a hope.
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Why because we don't have consensus. What's the point of
good intent when it's not followed by good action? How
much energy in time do you want to invest in
theory when the reality is so profoundly disappointing. How many
cops do you need where America and India and China
don't even turn up to realize that Saudi Arabia, although
beating their own drum, actually has a fairly logical point.
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We are either all in or Cop thirty will be
as pointless as twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Ah No, they haven't quite solved all of the problems.
I guess we'll just have to come back next year
if we're all still here. Wrap right. If there was
one thing that interests me less than the All Blacks
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playing Italy at the end of November, it's whatever happened
during the hacker before.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Surely the Peranura performance as a sign at the times
I would have thought, I mean, how far back, small clue?
Not far do we need to go to think that
the sort of extracurricular activity would never have been even
close to being contenance by an all black squad not
long ago. Essentially, sport was sport. It got political in
the spring Bok apartheid era, of course, But that I thought,
I thought to myself yesterday that was sort of politics
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from the outside in, wasn't it not the other way round?
It was Peranara's last time in a Jersey. Why not
leave with a message? I think that would be the
argument for many. But what sort of message was it?
If one of the blokes from I don't know, rural
New Zealand decided to slip in some support in the
postmatch interview for the current gun reform or the gang
patch laws, how do you think that would have gone down?
A David Seymour, who quite sensibly asked in response to
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the peran Ara reviews, just what bit of equal rights
do you not support? Is kind of on a hiding
to nothing. We eve entrenched camps on this one, don't we.
No one's in the middle. You either believe in the
idea that we're all equal or you don't. Perhaps more worryingly,
peran Aara's performance was spoken about with management and supported
by them, so i' mean credit to him. It wasn't
some mad spur of the moment outburst. And for the record,
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when he says it's important to him, I don't think
anyone doubts that. But lots of things are important to
lots of people. But within all our lives and all
our constraints, and one of the constraints around being an
all Black is you represent the country as an elite athlete,
not a politician or an activist. As we saw in
a much lesser way a couple of weeks back, the
woman who may well end up hitting the content and
news department for the state owned television station took leave
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to go on the treaty protest. Quite rightly, many asked
whether that was wise. We can ask the same question
of Peranara, and given we had all the all black
management blessing as well, we can ask that question in
them as well. I would have thought if the criteria
for protest as an all black is passion, then we're
asking for trouble. What we want in all blacks are
sports people of integrity, professionalism, and preferably inability to win
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a lot. The rest of it risks, damaging the brand,
insulting fans, and distracting us from the main point of
the outing.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
We were absolutely inundated with texts and other correspondence from
people this morning saying they're never watching the All Blacks again.
They canceled their Sky subscriptions. I've just got to wonder
how many of these people had any idea what DJ
Pierronara was saying during their hacker. That's funny to me.
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I don't know. Why have you bought a car recently?
I am. I'm toying with the idea of upgrading my car,
the trusty Hyundai twenty and I really I want to
do something that's going to be more economical. I don't
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want to do any ev because it seems like the
shine's really gone off that whole way of thinking EVS.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
When do you want to call it? I'm calling it
in the next handful of years. But this is what's
happened in the last three or four days around the world.
So Nissan, we reported on the program last week, they're
laying off people in Europe left right and center. Forder
laying off people in Europe left right and center, and
it's all to do with EV's. Nobody's buying EV. So
this and got in the ear of the UK government.
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Not that I think that that's going to make a
jot of difference, but basically they're saying it risks undermining
the business case for manufacturing cars in the UK, viability
of thousands of jobs, billions of pounds worth of investments.
So listen, they're looking to pull the trigger and pull
out of the UK if the government is insisting on
getting rid of petrol powered engines by a car. I
think it's twenty thirty five. It was twenty thirty they
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pushed it back out to twenty thirty five. Lotus also
was once a British brand. Of course, now it's Chinese.
Be interesting to know how the Chinese are viewing this
because Low is owned by Gil and they're busy making
electric cars in China like this no tomorrow, and yet
one of their offshoots in Britain, Lotus can't sell a
Lotus for lomnal money that's electric. So Lotus announced last
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week that they're scrapping their plan to go electric by
twenty twenty eight. They're now investing in hybrid technology. The
plugin seems to be the way of the future. So
either a hybrid non plugin or a hybrid plugin that
seems to be the sweet spot between now and wherever. Anyway,
there's no word on what they're going to do because
they've got a couple of cars out there now which
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are all electric, and nobody seems to know whether those
cars can be retrofitted with a plugin. So in other words,
if you've gone and bought an ev from Lotus, it
might well be too lately stuck with it. Then BMW,
the global head of BMW, you said the ban on
new petrol and diesel car sales was quote unquote a
big mistake, Oliver Zipiz his name, a misstep threatening the
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livelihoods of thousands of workers. The law could harve the
size of Europe's automotive industry. So you're talking about thousands
and thousands of families. And this is where it gets political.
Of course, if you look at a place like Germany
at the moment where the government has collapsed and the
economy is going backwards, and what are they manufacture in
Germany by quite a lot cars. So you're going into
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the car industry and you're saying, already economy is buggered
and the government's collapsed. And by the way, we'll just
lay off a few more thousand who are making these
petrol engines, these diesel engines, and we'll replace them all
with evs that nobody wants to buy. So how long
before a government who thinks like that's going to get
booted out of power as well? So that's just in
the last week BMW, Lotus and Nissen. All of it's
centered around Europe. All of it predicated on the belief
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that somehow, in a handful of years, the whole world
is going to be so fascinated by evs they'll want
nothing else in their lives. It's a joke. It's coming
to an end faster than you think.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, So I think I'm going to go hybrid. I
don't understand the idea of a plug in hybrid. I
don't understand why anybody would want that the worst of
both worlds. So I think I want to go hybrid?
Seems expensive? Why is it more expensive? As you can tell,
I'm really excited about doing my second least favorite thing
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in life, which is replacing a car. First least favorite
thing moving house. So rerap right, good news that they
wanting to set up all these data centers in New Zealand,
isn't it? What could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Just quickly back to these data centers, the camp they
call them campuses, so you set I'm on. The data
center campus could grow so large that finding enough power
and suitable land to accommodate them becomes increasingly difficult. Renewable
energy alone won't be sufficient. This is what I'm reading
over the weekend. Renewable energy alone will not be sufficient.
Natural gas will play a role, hence the big field
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I told you about before the news that will slow
progress towards meeting carbon dioxide emissions, of course, because the
more of anything you use from the Earth is not
good for the people who go up to COP twenty
eight nine, thirty, thirty one and thirty two. Companies are
in a raceable lifetime for global dominance, and it's frankly
about national security and economic security. Data centers are out
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to scale where they have started tapping out against the
existing utility infrastructure. The funnel of available land in this
country that's industrialized, you know, specifically for industrialized zoning that
can fit a data center use is becoming more and
more constraints. So we're going to have problems. They're already
having problems in America, so it's going to be fascinating
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to see how it unfolds. But if we're going to
insist that we can't be nuclear, that we're going to
be doing it through wind and sun, I think we've
got a root awakening coming.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I thought these data centers were going to be making
their own power somehow, you know, solar and turbines and
so not the plan. It's got that wrong. Mike was
also talking about geo thermal energy this morning, but he
seemed to think that somehow that involved natural gas, which
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of course is not the powers tear thermal. I couldn't
have bothered explaining that to him in the middle of
a radio shows. The rewrap right, We're gonna finish up
with some Adele news. I feel like we haven't had
much Adle news lately, so it's good that she's crying again.
I don't mean, I don't mean no, I don't mean.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That Adele burst into tears again. She spent a lot
of time crying that woman. Anyway, she's been in the
residency in Vegas. She did her one hundredth and final
show saw at the f one over the weekend, actually
one hundredth and final show, and she's now going to
take a quote unquote big break from music. Doesn't know
how long she may never be back. For all you know,
she started in jan of twenty two. That remember that kerfuffle.
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It was at the time when COVID was just coming
along and the set wasn't ready, and once again she
burst into tears and said, sorry, it's not ready, can't start.
She eventually did start. She's been performing every Friday and Saturday,
but she's worn herself out. So that's the end that
she's gone back home.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I mean, some people just cry, as, aren't they. I'm
more of a crier than I used to be. I
find when I go to a live show, when it
gets to the end, especially when they're doing the curtain calls,
I find myself crying sometimes. And you know, the final
episode of TV shows. I've always wold up about that.
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Do you know what that's about? There'd be some psychological
reason for that. My father was too distant, never hugged
me enough, never hugged me at all, as far as
I can recall. Ah, there I go crying again. No,
actually not because that wasn't a final episode of anything.
It was just a continuing episode. It was just episode
three thousand, one hundred and eighty Today, see you back
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here again for three thousand, one hundred and eighty one
of the reround.
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