November 2, 2024 • 15 mins
Abbot Kahler's new book Eden Undone details the story of a group of European exiles who try to build a community on a remote island - but the true story is stranger than fiction.
In the 1930s, a German couple opted to leave Europe and flee to the Galápagos Islands to live a simple life away from the chaos of civilization - and found themselves building a new society with two smaller groups of people.
Kahler says she was drawn in by the true crime documents that showcased mysterious disappearances, dead bodies and different stories - and she wanted to explore it further.
"It was the most bizarre headline I'd ever read in my life...and I was intrigued. I did more digging and uncovered this really incredible story."
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News TALKSEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Right now, I have an absolutely riveting, stranger than fiction,
true life crime yan for you. The story is set
in the Galapagus, around the height of the Great Depression.
A group of scientists find a bunch of people living
on a remote island. They also find two bodies on
another nearby island. Those living on the island had escape
society to create a utopian paradise, but what prevailed was
(00:36):
absolute chaos and ultimately murder, we think. Author Abbot Kayla
has used unpublished archived documents to tell this strange tale.
Her new book was called Eden Undone. Abbot Kayla, thank
you so much for joining us. How did you come
across this story and what was it about it that
(00:56):
grabbed you?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, I was actually researching a different book. This is
about twelve years ago, so this story is a long
time in the making. But I was researching a different book,
was going through newspaper archives and I came across a
headline in a nineteen forty one edition of the San
Francisco Examiner, and it was the most bizarre headline I've
ever read in my life, and I could read it
(01:20):
for you now it goes quote was doctor Ritter with
his steel teeth poisoned in paradise? Was the baroness otherwise
knows crazy Panties who ruled the island with a gun
and love murdered by one of her love slaves after
she had driven the other to his death. And I
(01:40):
was intrigued by, Okay, here's a doctor steel denshers, a
baroness with love slaves who's also called crazy panties. What
is the story? And so I did a little bit
more digging and discovered this really incredible story of a
group of people who tried to find utopia on Epico's
Island in the nineteen thirties and basically, instead of utopia,
(02:00):
it turned into like an agathicacy murder mystery.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It sure does tell me a little bit about doctor
Van and his partner Door.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So doctor Ritter was from Germany. He was working on
a medical practice in Berlin at the time that the
book opens. He was a World War One vet and
a little bit traumatized from that, and he had some
very unorthodox ideas about healing and medicine. And when he
met Dorri Strutch, who was one of his patients. She
(02:30):
was suffering from multiple sclerosis, and he told her that
she could cure her ms just through the power of
her mind. Of course, every other doctor was telling her
it was incurable, but he sort of went to her
and said, you have the power rowned mind, and she
was intrigued by him. They were both unhappily married to
other people, and he started talking about how he wanted
(02:50):
to abandon civilization. He said civilization had nothing to offer him.
He had nothing to offer it, and he wanted to
go to a dirted island and practice his medical theories
and also try to become a world renowned philosopher. He
was a big fan of Nietzsche, for one. And Dorry
wanted to get away from her husband. He was boring
and she wrote that the sex was bad, and she
(03:13):
was very intrigued by this doctor Ritter, And so they
made the decision to leave their spouses and go to
Floriana Island in the Galapagos.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
As you do, I mean this whole idea, this whole
idea though, of abandoning life for a simpler life, to
get away from the chaos and things of society. It
is something which resonates today, doesn't It Is that what
you thought when you sort of started and looking at
the story?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Oh? Absolutely, And in fact I tried to pitch this
book to my publisher. This is why it took twelve years.
They kept saying, no, they said, this is you write
American history, you write American characters. And I said, this
isn't an American story, this isn't a European story. This
is a human story. You know, who among us hasn't
desired to flee and abandon our lives and go off
in pursuit of something better, or something greater, or something simpler.
(04:03):
Who hasn't wanted to flee the batting crowds and all
of the pressures of modern day life. And he really
understood that. And I think that's what people will be
drawn to. In addition to the story of these bizarre characters.
It's just a human emotion that I think everybody has
felt one way or another.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Absolutely, What was the mission? What did they want to
try and achieve when they got to the island.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, I think that, you know, doctor Ritter wanted to
become paradoxically, he wanted to go to the remote island
and become famous for his philosophical works. So he wanted
to write them in solitude, and then he was thinking
of you know, posterity and dorry. I think just you know,
she decided it was her duty in life to help
him in this endeavor. She was going to be you know,
(04:47):
his word of mouth, his supports sysm and just to
give you an idea of their dynamic, she wrote in
her memoir that she believed that she was the only
woman whom Frederick did not truly despise, which gives you
sort of an idea of their relationship and not a
very ringing endorsement of his view of her and his
view of an humanity in general.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And so, of course they set up their hermit life
on the island, and then doctor Risha got exactly what
he wanted. They became global headlines. How did that happen?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well, they were there for about six months, settling into
their life. They managed to build a sort of ramshackle house.
They were maintaining a garden, and in January of nineteen
thirty an American millionaire named Eugene MacDonald shows up in Floriana.
He was the founder of Zenith Radio, which was a
big radio company in America, and he had no idea
that anybody was living on this island. He was just
(05:38):
inspired to do some scientific exploration, maybe pick up some
exotic flora and fauna, bring it back to the United States,
and be a big sensation there with his discoveries. But
he did not expect to find these two people there,
Dori and Frederick. So he meets with them. He gives
them some gifts, including floor polish, and he makes the
joke that I don't know what doctor Ritter is going
to do with floor polish, unless it's to polish as
(05:59):
steel duders. And he goes back to America announces that
he found quote a modernay, Adam and Eve, and the
headline spreads throughout the world and of course intriguing more
people and inspiring more people to come to Floriana.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And that was yet kind of the result, wasn't it,
all of these global headlines, Because a few more people
did arrive, tell me a little bit about them.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So the next people to arrive was the Whitmer family.
Heines Whitmer was also a World War One veteran. He
was also traumatized by this, and he had also been married.
He had a twelve year old son from his first marriage.
But he met this woman named Margaret, they fell in love.
They decided to abandon their spouses as well, and they
had heard of doctor Ritter and Dorry and thought, wow,
what an intriguing experiment. Heines was also a high ranking
(06:48):
member in the Weimar Republic, and of course at this
time Hitler was starting to ascend a power and his
political enemies were out there, and I think he wanted
to flee that situation as well. So they show up
on Floriana and they go to pay their respects to
doctor Ritter and Dorry, and Frederick is immediately annoyed. He
did not come down to Floriana to practice medicine. And
(07:09):
now here is Margaret, who's five months pregnant. She shows
up five months pregnant, and he's already anticipating the burden
of having to take care of this woman and her baby.
And Dorry of course looks at Margaret and says, what
kind of idiot would choose to give birth on a
remote island like this? And Margaret looks at Dorry and says,
what kind of idiot is quoting Nietzsche on a remote island?
(07:31):
Who are these people and their ridiculous pretensions, so they
don't get off on the right foot, but they eventually
settle into an uneasy piece and try to coexist, but
there's always tension at the edges.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But then the Baroness arrives and things really become what
you know, egy on the island, don't they.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, So the Baroness, otherwise known as Crazy Panties in
the headline, she actually did live up to the nickname,
shows up on Floriana with her two lovers, and just
to give you a little bit of background about her,
because she's such a fascinating character. She's a Vienna's woman
by birth. She was living in Paris at the time
the book opened up, and if anybody has ever heard
(08:13):
of this story, they always hear her called a self
proclaimed baroness or a so called baroness. She was actually
a real authentic baroness. Her grandfather got the title of
baron through his bravery during the Austro Prussian War, and
so she inherited it from him. She was from an
aristocratic family, quite well to do, and she was very
well known in Parisian circles for having an orgiastic lifestyle
(08:36):
and being very much a libertine. She was married to
a French war hero, but seduced men and women alike
and had wild parties. And in Paris she told people
later on that she heard a voice belonging to God
telling her to go to the Galapagos Island and take
over She was supposed to go there, take over Floriana,
and become the Empress of Floriana, according to God. So
(08:58):
she shows up at Floriana with her two lovers, and
the first thing she does is washes her feet and
the whitmer's drinking water. Margaret and Hines, of course, are
not pleased about this. And the second thing she does
is announced that she's going to turn Floriana into Miami.
She's going to build a hotel catering to American millionaires
and millionaires from around the world and turn it into
(09:19):
a sort of little microcosm of Miami. And of course
Frederick Ritter was not happy about this at all.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
The irony, of course of the story is that you
know Rita and Dory when they left, they just wanted
to escape society and all the chaos that comes with society,
and in the end they end up on this island
with this as it's almost microcosm, their own microcosm of
society and exactly what they were trying to get away from.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, it's really you hit the noil on the head.
I mean here they were fleeing Hitler, the rise of Hitler,
the collapse of the global economy in a Wall Street
had collapsed. Everybody was suffering around the world. There was turmoil,
there was conflict. It was you know, clearly World War
two was in sight. And on this island that was
supposed to be this idyllic respite from all of this,
(10:11):
you had warring factions. You had murderous and tent you
had people who wanted to kill each other. You had
people who always were looking over their shoulder, waiting for
the next bad thing to happen. And really it's it
just goes to prove the old adage. You know, wherever
you go, there you are. You can try to escape
your problems, but they inevitably come with you.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Did any of them find the utopia that they were
looking for?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I would say that, without spoiling too much, there was.
There is a family. There are some descendants there of
the original settlers, and I think that they have achieved
as close to a utopia as you can on Floriana Island.
When I visited there, it was quite remarkable just to
see the legacy of this story. Everybody there still haunted
(10:56):
by it, and all of the people I talked to
said that when they were growing up as children, they
went around looking for bones.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It is such a harsh, brutal environment, isn't it a
Yet so many people, and you touch on this throughout
the book, aside from just the characters that you're talking about,
so many people were attracted to it and tried to
tried to tried to live there. What was it about
the place? Is it the isolation? Is it the wildlife?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I think, oh, I think that there's just a mystique
about it, and there is just that draw that if
you can, if you can sort of carve out your
own utopia, that is, that is an ideal place to
do it. And I think also people sort of drew
like the challenge of Floriana. You know, the Galapagos Island
is not this golden sand, waving palm trees, lush vegetation ideal.
(11:47):
It is a volcanic islands covered in lava rock. A
lot of them don't even have a fresh water source,
they're not capable of sustaining life. I think, you know,
even Charles Darwin was, you know, saying this place is
incredibly barren and sterile. And I think people, especially Frederick Gritter,
really liked that challenge. It fed into his word of
in dark Nietzschean fantasies about what the human being can
(12:11):
conquer and what people might conquer. But of course the
problem is people have different ideas of what a utopia is.
It's a very subjective concept, and when a bunch of varying,
you know, these diverse group of people have different ideas
of utopia, it's bound to ruin utopia for everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You also touch on the number of you know, scientists
and very wealthy people that lead expeditions down there for
the wildlife. I mean, zoos were filled with the wildlife
of gallapagus, weren't they.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, so, I mean one of the great pastimes of
wealthy people during the nineteen thirties, or at least wealthy Americans.
Although this there were explorers from all over the world
coming here to do similar explorations. They were inspired by
Charles Darwin and were recently A man named William Biebe,
who was an American and naturalist who published a book
in nineteen twenty six about the Galapagos wildlife. So they
(13:04):
showed up there with their big you know, it's full
of scientific equipment, bringing these poor animals out of their
natural habitat and back to the America, to America where
they really don't fare very well. And to me it
sort of became this interesting metaphor. You know, you take
these wild animals out of the Galapagos, bring them to
a place where it's not their natural habitat, and they
(13:24):
don't they don't do well, many of them die. And
you bring these European exiles out of Europe, take them
to the Glaccos Island, which is not their natural habitat,
and of course many of them don't fare very well
either and end up dying. Well.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I'm so pleased that a publisher said, yes, the yan
is fantastic and the book is brilliant. Me in Breton,
thank you so much for your time today.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Thank you so much for having me. It was great
to speak with you.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And that was author Abbott Kayla. The book we were
talking about is called Eden Undone and it is in
stores now. Panels up Next.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
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You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News TALKSEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Right now, I have an absolutely riveting, stranger than fiction,
true life crime yan for you. The story is set
in the Galapagus, around the height of the Great Depression.
A group of scientists find a bunch of people living
on a remote island. They also find two bodies on
another nearby island. Those living on the island had escape
society to create a utopian paradise, but what prevailed was
(00:36):
absolute chaos and ultimately murder, we think. Author Abbot Kayla
has used unpublished archived documents to tell this strange tale.
Her new book was called Eden Undone. Abbot Kayla, thank
you so much for joining us. How did you come
across this story and what was it about it that
(00:56):
grabbed you?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, I was actually researching a different book. This is
about twelve years ago, so this story is a long
time in the making. But I was researching a different book,
was going through newspaper archives and I came across a
headline in a nineteen forty one edition of the San
Francisco Examiner, and it was the most bizarre headline I've
ever read in my life, and I could read it
(01:20):
for you now it goes quote was doctor Ritter with
his steel teeth poisoned in paradise? Was the baroness otherwise
knows crazy Panties who ruled the island with a gun
and love murdered by one of her love slaves after
she had driven the other to his death. And I
(01:40):
was intrigued by, Okay, here's a doctor steel denshers, a
baroness with love slaves who's also called crazy panties. What
is the story? And so I did a little bit
more digging and discovered this really incredible story of a
group of people who tried to find utopia on Epico's
Island in the nineteen thirties and basically, instead of utopia,
(02:00):
it turned into like an agathicacy murder mystery.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It sure does tell me a little bit about doctor
Van and his partner Door.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So doctor Ritter was from Germany. He was working on
a medical practice in Berlin at the time that the
book opens. He was a World War One vet and
a little bit traumatized from that, and he had some
very unorthodox ideas about healing and medicine. And when he
met Dorri Strutch, who was one of his patients. She
(02:30):
was suffering from multiple sclerosis, and he told her that
she could cure her ms just through the power of
her mind. Of course, every other doctor was telling her
it was incurable, but he sort of went to her
and said, you have the power rowned mind, and she
was intrigued by him. They were both unhappily married to
other people, and he started talking about how he wanted
(02:50):
to abandon civilization. He said civilization had nothing to offer him.
He had nothing to offer it, and he wanted to
go to a dirted island and practice his medical theories
and also try to become a world renowned philosopher. He
was a big fan of Nietzsche, for one. And Dorry
wanted to get away from her husband. He was boring
and she wrote that the sex was bad, and she
(03:13):
was very intrigued by this doctor Ritter, And so they
made the decision to leave their spouses and go to
Floriana Island in the Galapagos.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
As you do, I mean this whole idea, this whole
idea though, of abandoning life for a simpler life, to
get away from the chaos and things of society. It
is something which resonates today, doesn't It Is that what
you thought when you sort of started and looking at
the story?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Oh? Absolutely, And in fact I tried to pitch this
book to my publisher. This is why it took twelve years.
They kept saying, no, they said, this is you write
American history, you write American characters. And I said, this
isn't an American story, this isn't a European story. This
is a human story. You know, who among us hasn't
desired to flee and abandon our lives and go off
in pursuit of something better, or something greater, or something simpler.
(04:03):
Who hasn't wanted to flee the batting crowds and all
of the pressures of modern day life. And he really
understood that. And I think that's what people will be
drawn to. In addition to the story of these bizarre characters.
It's just a human emotion that I think everybody has
felt one way or another.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Absolutely, What was the mission? What did they want to
try and achieve when they got to the island.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, I think that, you know, doctor Ritter wanted to
become paradoxically, he wanted to go to the remote island
and become famous for his philosophical works. So he wanted
to write them in solitude, and then he was thinking
of you know, posterity and dorry. I think just you know,
she decided it was her duty in life to help
him in this endeavor. She was going to be you know,
(04:47):
his word of mouth, his supports sysm and just to
give you an idea of their dynamic, she wrote in
her memoir that she believed that she was the only
woman whom Frederick did not truly despise, which gives you
sort of an idea of their relationship and not a
very ringing endorsement of his view of her and his
view of an humanity in general.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And so, of course they set up their hermit life
on the island, and then doctor Risha got exactly what
he wanted. They became global headlines. How did that happen?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well, they were there for about six months, settling into
their life. They managed to build a sort of ramshackle house.
They were maintaining a garden, and in January of nineteen
thirty an American millionaire named Eugene MacDonald shows up in Floriana.
He was the founder of Zenith Radio, which was a
big radio company in America, and he had no idea
that anybody was living on this island. He was just
(05:38):
inspired to do some scientific exploration, maybe pick up some
exotic flora and fauna, bring it back to the United States,
and be a big sensation there with his discoveries. But
he did not expect to find these two people there,
Dori and Frederick. So he meets with them. He gives
them some gifts, including floor polish, and he makes the
joke that I don't know what doctor Ritter is going
to do with floor polish, unless it's to polish as
(05:59):
steel duders. And he goes back to America announces that
he found quote a modernay, Adam and Eve, and the
headline spreads throughout the world and of course intriguing more
people and inspiring more people to come to Floriana.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And that was yet kind of the result, wasn't it,
all of these global headlines, Because a few more people
did arrive, tell me a little bit about them.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So the next people to arrive was the Whitmer family.
Heines Whitmer was also a World War One veteran. He
was also traumatized by this, and he had also been married.
He had a twelve year old son from his first marriage.
But he met this woman named Margaret, they fell in love.
They decided to abandon their spouses as well, and they
had heard of doctor Ritter and Dorry and thought, wow,
what an intriguing experiment. Heines was also a high ranking
(06:48):
member in the Weimar Republic, and of course at this
time Hitler was starting to ascend a power and his
political enemies were out there, and I think he wanted
to flee that situation as well. So they show up
on Floriana and they go to pay their respects to
doctor Ritter and Dorry, and Frederick is immediately annoyed. He
did not come down to Floriana to practice medicine. And
(07:09):
now here is Margaret, who's five months pregnant. She shows
up five months pregnant, and he's already anticipating the burden
of having to take care of this woman and her baby.
And Dorry of course looks at Margaret and says, what
kind of idiot would choose to give birth on a
remote island like this? And Margaret looks at Dorry and says,
what kind of idiot is quoting Nietzsche on a remote island?
(07:31):
Who are these people and their ridiculous pretensions, so they
don't get off on the right foot, but they eventually
settle into an uneasy piece and try to coexist, but
there's always tension at the edges.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But then the Baroness arrives and things really become what
you know, egy on the island, don't they.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, So the Baroness, otherwise known as Crazy Panties in
the headline, she actually did live up to the nickname,
shows up on Floriana with her two lovers, and just
to give you a little bit of background about her,
because she's such a fascinating character. She's a Vienna's woman
by birth. She was living in Paris at the time
the book opened up, and if anybody has ever heard
(08:13):
of this story, they always hear her called a self
proclaimed baroness or a so called baroness. She was actually
a real authentic baroness. Her grandfather got the title of
baron through his bravery during the Austro Prussian War, and
so she inherited it from him. She was from an
aristocratic family, quite well to do, and she was very
well known in Parisian circles for having an orgiastic lifestyle
(08:36):
and being very much a libertine. She was married to
a French war hero, but seduced men and women alike
and had wild parties. And in Paris she told people
later on that she heard a voice belonging to God
telling her to go to the Galapagos Island and take
over She was supposed to go there, take over Floriana,
and become the Empress of Floriana, according to God. So
(08:58):
she shows up at Floriana with her two lovers, and
the first thing she does is washes her feet and
the whitmer's drinking water. Margaret and Hines, of course, are
not pleased about this. And the second thing she does
is announced that she's going to turn Floriana into Miami.
She's going to build a hotel catering to American millionaires
and millionaires from around the world and turn it into
(09:19):
a sort of little microcosm of Miami. And of course
Frederick Ritter was not happy about this at all.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
The irony, of course of the story is that you
know Rita and Dory when they left, they just wanted
to escape society and all the chaos that comes with society,
and in the end they end up on this island
with this as it's almost microcosm, their own microcosm of
society and exactly what they were trying to get away from.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, it's really you hit the noil on the head.
I mean here they were fleeing Hitler, the rise of Hitler,
the collapse of the global economy in a Wall Street
had collapsed. Everybody was suffering around the world. There was turmoil,
there was conflict. It was you know, clearly World War
two was in sight. And on this island that was
supposed to be this idyllic respite from all of this,
(10:11):
you had warring factions. You had murderous and tent you
had people who wanted to kill each other. You had
people who always were looking over their shoulder, waiting for
the next bad thing to happen. And really it's it
just goes to prove the old adage. You know, wherever
you go, there you are. You can try to escape
your problems, but they inevitably come with you.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Did any of them find the utopia that they were
looking for?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I would say that, without spoiling too much, there was.
There is a family. There are some descendants there of
the original settlers, and I think that they have achieved
as close to a utopia as you can on Floriana Island.
When I visited there, it was quite remarkable just to
see the legacy of this story. Everybody there still haunted
(10:56):
by it, and all of the people I talked to
said that when they were growing up as children, they
went around looking for bones.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
It is such a harsh, brutal environment, isn't it a
Yet so many people, and you touch on this throughout
the book, aside from just the characters that you're talking about,
so many people were attracted to it and tried to
tried to tried to live there. What was it about
the place? Is it the isolation? Is it the wildlife?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I think, oh, I think that there's just a mystique
about it, and there is just that draw that if
you can, if you can sort of carve out your
own utopia, that is, that is an ideal place to
do it. And I think also people sort of drew
like the challenge of Floriana. You know, the Galapagos Island
is not this golden sand, waving palm trees, lush vegetation ideal.
(11:47):
It is a volcanic islands covered in lava rock. A
lot of them don't even have a fresh water source,
they're not capable of sustaining life. I think, you know,
even Charles Darwin was, you know, saying this place is
incredibly barren and sterile. And I think people, especially Frederick Gritter,
really liked that challenge. It fed into his word of
in dark Nietzschean fantasies about what the human being can
(12:11):
conquer and what people might conquer. But of course the
problem is people have different ideas of what a utopia is.
It's a very subjective concept, and when a bunch of varying,
you know, these diverse group of people have different ideas
of utopia, it's bound to ruin utopia for everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You also touch on the number of you know, scientists
and very wealthy people that lead expeditions down there for
the wildlife. I mean, zoos were filled with the wildlife
of gallapagus, weren't they.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, so, I mean one of the great pastimes of
wealthy people during the nineteen thirties, or at least wealthy Americans.
Although this there were explorers from all over the world
coming here to do similar explorations. They were inspired by
Charles Darwin and were recently A man named William Biebe,
who was an American and naturalist who published a book
in nineteen twenty six about the Galapagos wildlife. So they
(13:04):
showed up there with their big you know, it's full
of scientific equipment, bringing these poor animals out of their
natural habitat and back to the America, to America where
they really don't fare very well. And to me it
sort of became this interesting metaphor. You know, you take
these wild animals out of the Galapagos, bring them to
a place where it's not their natural habitat, and they
(13:24):
don't they don't do well, many of them die. And
you bring these European exiles out of Europe, take them
to the Glaccos Island, which is not their natural habitat,
and of course many of them don't fare very well
either and end up dying. Well.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I'm so pleased that a publisher said, yes, the yan
is fantastic and the book is brilliant. Me in Breton,
thank you so much for your time today.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Thank you so much for having me. It was great
to speak with you.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And that was author Abbott Kayla. The book we were
talking about is called Eden Undone and it is in
stores now. Panels up Next.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
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