Dr Timoti Te Moke became a doctor at age 56, but it wasn't an easy road to get into medical school.
Before he started at Middlemore Hospital, he endured a childhood filled with abuse, time in state care, in prison and eventually gangs.
He detailed his journey in his new book, The Unlikely Doctor, and says he wrote it to shine a light on the barriers holding Kiwis back from reaching their potential.
"There are a lot of people that could be where I am, but due to the barriers that society put in place, they are not able to do this. Essentially, what my book is looking at is the potential this country could have if we realised that these are the barriers we have in place."
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News talks'b This week, I have.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Read the most extraordinary book. It's a new book by
Timorti Timoki. At the age of fifty six, Timorti became
a doctor, but before that came a childhood filled with abuse,
time and care time and state care, prison and eventually gangs.
It was in rehabit during a stint in prison, that
Timurti wondered if there was model life, if he could
(00:35):
turn it all around. He became a paramedic, which also
came with its challenges, and then in his fifties, he
decided to train to become a doctor. Timurti has shared
his incredible story. The book was called The Unlikely Doctor,
and Timoti is in the studio with me now. Thank
you for coming in. Good morning, Good morning. Tell me
why did you decide to share your story? What's your
(00:57):
mission with this book?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Basically, like, my life has been quite unique, unique in
terms of me having the ability to not only write
a book, but to excel to where I am at
the moment, and there are a lot of people that
could be where I am. But now due to the
barriers that that society have put in place, they are
(01:20):
not able to do this. And so essentially what my
book is looking at as the potential that this country
could have if we realize that these are the barriers
in place, and how we need to mend them in
order to allow this country area just potential.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
At the very beginning of the book, you talk about
how you like to where you know, you bust to
and from work at Middlemore Hospital, and you like to
wear your doctor scrubs and you keep your idea on
you that you know calls you a doctor and things
purely so that other kids can say, oh, look there's
a Marti doctor.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Absolutely, I stay in South Auklan, I stand publicly, and
there's not many Marty doctors or Pacifica doctors. And so
what I need to do is I need to show
that that martin Pacifica can be doctors. You know, they
need to see a brownsk dockedor out there walking around
and then it needs to happen often, and it needs
to happen in such a way that people become normalized
(02:13):
to it and go, yeah, that's that's just what we
do out in South Auckland. And there's a partner book
where I talk about uh traffic lights up by Hunter's
Corner shopping center, and I'm waiting across and across the
road as a young boy, and he must have been
about eight years old or something, and he's standing next
to his bike and he's and he's waiting across yet
(02:34):
and I'm looking across at him, and he's staring at me,
and he's checking me out, man, and I'm thinking, ha yeah.
And then the walk sign gaze and we cross crossing
pass and and he looks up at me and gess,
I guess, hey, bro, And I got hey very and
he was beaming in that and and it was the
experience last maybe a second, two seconds, and then he
walks on his way in. And that's what I want,
(02:56):
because in a second I realized that if I was
wearing a gang patch, he would have done exactly the same.
This is because this young boy is looking for something
to aspire to, and like he's more likely to see
a gang patch than a marty doctor, and so what
needs to happen and needs to be normalized. So he
(03:19):
sees that all the time, and it's reinforcing his mind.
And so by the time he turns forteen fifteen sixteen,
he thinks, you know what, I might become a doctor,
or you know what, I might become a loyal and
you know what, I might become an engineer, And he
doesn't have any of that psychological barrier rather than him
turning fifteen sixteen game, you know what, I want to
be a gangster, because that's all he's growing up with.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Can we talk about you at fifteen or sixteen? It
was quite a childhood. Maybe just tell me a little
bit at first about your childhood.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
My childhood. Yeah, well, I'm part marty, part tongue, and
I've never known my dad because they separated before I
was born. My mom and dad separated for us born.
All I know about him was that he liked to
drink and he liked to hurt people. But then my mom,
she was up here in Tamaki working and she came
down to where my grandparents were in Matata and she
(04:11):
had me Intani Hospital. Now, the thing is, she was
at a stage of her life where she wasn't she
didn't want to be a mom, so she gave me
to my grandparents. It's called fine and it's quite common
in Mardi cultures. So I was finally to my quardal
and I was given his name Tim Moki. So I
was born Timothy up at Halma Timok and I lived
with him for the first six years of my life
(04:32):
and it was amazing. Like I it was beautiful. We
were very poor, but still I wanted for nothing, and
I was in a loving home, very supportive culturally where
they spoke Marty, yeah, and it was good I was.
And they come up here to Tamaki and I was
around all my cousins and that I was beautiful. Then
by the time I turned six, my mom decided she
(04:53):
wanted me back. And by this time she had married
this guy with the name of Morrison. But because I
was born Temuki, I was legally my grandfather's child. So
my mom did is she took my quarter to court.
Uh said this guy she had married when Morrison she
had married was my actual dad and stuck his name
on the birth certificate. Then I went from Timothy Temuka
(05:15):
to Tim Morrison and they uplifted me. And they were
dysfunctional people that are dysfunctional as hell, and life took
a real hard turn for me. My stepfather hated me
every time he saw me. Saw another man. He just
couldn't take it. I'd be I remember, I'm eight years
old and I'm in my room and I'm shaking like
(05:36):
how because I hear his car rolling up into the cupboard.
I know what's going to happen. You get out of
the car and off his face and just walk into
my room, pulled me out of bed and just slammed
a living and crap out of me and then just
leave me this buddy mess on the floor, go have
sex with my mum and got to sleep. And sometimes
that's what happened to me, maybe three times a week.
(05:57):
Eight years old, and that happened to me three times
a week, you know. So by the time I turned fourteen, man,
I'm broken. I am broken, man. But here's the thing.
I grew up in an area where I wasn't the
only kid that was happening to. What that allowed me
to do was allowed me to hang out with kids
that were similar to me. We never talked about it,
(06:18):
but somehow we just were so connected and it was
because of that stuff, even though we didn't talk about it.
And by that time, I'm broken. I'm not going to
school anymore, and I start getting into trouble. I had
my first official charge for attempted burglary affording ended up
in oy Ka Boys home. Fortunately enough. I I don't
(06:42):
know how it worked, but my English teacher found out
and I went to stay with them for a year.
Beautiful family, beautiful family. But I'm broken, and so I
don't know how to engage with it. I don't know how.
I don't know what it is, you know, And so
it doesn't matter how much love and attention they gave
me and how much support. I didn't know how to
(07:04):
utilize that. I'm broken.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's really interesting because I think that that pops up
throughout your life. There, you know, there are moments where
you do get yourself together. And if I skip forward
a little bit, you end up in Australia and you
go to rehab and you get clean and actually you
end up with your own security business and life is
going well. But interestingly, if the wrong person came into
your life where if things got a bit wobbly, yeah,
(07:26):
everything would fall over again, wouldn't it. And I mean
it's so I suppose my question to you is, and
I look at you, you know now, I think you
were fifty six when you graduated.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Is it a doctor?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Which is, and it's a phenomenal story as to how
you got there. It's so much in between. But how
important is it to deal with that kind of trauma that,
of course you do not understand or able to process
when you're a young man.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
That's a good question. And and the thing was, I
got married and I got divorce and I just everything
hit the skids. But what had happened is like from
right back at the beginning till then, I was evolving
and in the rehab was the first time ever I
learned about the things underneath that that that were happening
(08:16):
and the reasons behind are the reasons why I was
doing stuff, And so I was starting to understand that.
And I think if I hadn't gone there and I
had rocked by them again, things would have been a
lot different from me. And and that's how it is
through all my life, like I've been able to utilize
tools that I got at that time to to to
(08:37):
help me manage for the future. Yeah, going back, like
I were hanging out with those kids, I utilized the
tools that I got because I needed them for when
I went to prison and I ulized and I got
tools in there they utilized for when I got out
of prison, and I utilized those tools that I found
there when I got to Australia and I utilized those
(08:58):
tools that honed. There's those tools to to go okay,
carry on, and and and and it just kept going
from there.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
At no point, you know, when you're going through your
teenage years, you're in a lot of trouble, and you
end up at a you know, sort of corrective training,
you end up in a boot camp, you end up
in Mount eat in prison. All this keeps you know,
this is kind of a bit of a regular occurrence
for you. At any point, did anyone look at you
as a vulnerable child or a victim, you know, especially
(09:28):
when you were younger as well when you started. You know,
you're a bright kid. You're at school and all of
a sudden, you're not going.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
My grandparents and the school teachers and her family.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So some people did try.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Some people did try, but like I said, by the
time they'd got around to it, especially my school teacher
and her family, it was too late. Mate. Like, you
can't you can't just go and turn off a tap.
It's not a tap. Yeah, and you can't turn it
off and get okay, from now on, we'll put a
wash on it, we'll fix it, and now to be fine. Yeah, yeah, No,
(10:04):
it doesn't work like that. And so so because of that,
I had to evolve through it, and I think it
came down I'm on a large part to come down
to the the first six years I spent with my
grandparents and I was born, you know, without an e.
I was born quite a smart kid, and with that
(10:25):
intelligent intelligence, I was able to kind of not only
negotiate my way through stuff, but also be able to
step back and work out how things what things need
to happen at that time.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I mentioned that you ended up in corrective training.
You went on its seat of what we now would
call a boot camp. But you've got quite an interesting
perspective on what that can create, and of course the
government has reintroduced them now. I thought this was quite interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Absolutely like they've born in the boot camps and yeah,
that that is not going to work. It's actually going
to be it's actually going to make things a hell
of a lot worse. And you can guarantee this. Like
I did boot camp, I came out fit, I came
out disciplined. I came out angry. Now, the only thing
(11:16):
that was missing that that I didn't have is someone
out here, like a leader with foresight and resources that
could have honed those tools into something that was effective
for that group. And the thing is today they do
have groups with charismatic leaders that do have resources. And
(11:40):
now what this governments are attempting to do is they're
attempting to do exactly what they did to me. Put
these guys in there and release them back out into
the community that are angry, that are fit, that are
disciplined and can take orders.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, and you make the point, that's going to make
them really good productive gang members.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
They're going to be like they each each group, each
each different gang will have their own little individual elite
force within it, and it'll be made up of these
these people. And and the thing is that that they
these clubs now have resources to invest in that to
(12:19):
actually hone them and perfect them into a into a focus.
And that's the thing that I missed, and which is
fortunate for me, but also very fortunate for this country
because when I did end up in Australia and I
did end up with charismatic leaders with resources I excelled, Yeah,
and I became one of the top ranking people in
(12:40):
those kind of clubs and so. So the thing is
that now here the government thinks, oh yeah, well we'll
just do this and and and we'll show that we're
tough on crime. They're idiots, mate.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You don't think the gang problem's going to go away never.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
This is because gangs they reflect where society is failing. Yeah,
they mirror societies fails. And so the if you want
to the mask gangs, you have to demonister the drivers
the same as crime. You can't be tough on crime.
You got to You've got to take care of the
(13:20):
drivers of crime and so so so that you've got
to take care of the drivers of people becoming gangsters.
You need more Marighty doctors, you need more Marty lawyers,
you need more Mardy engineers. You need more brown skinned
people walking around in South Auckland that have scrubs on
rather than gang patches. That's what you need.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That teacher that you had at school always instilled in
you the importance the English teach, the importance of education.
And later on you you did educate yourself. You you
you study acupuncture, you became a paramedic and then you
ended up at medical school. Has your life experience made
you a better doctor?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And uh, it's made me so much more, have the
ability to engage with people on different levels and also
engage with people in a way that no other doctor Ken.
Thank you so much for sharing this story.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I mean, it's a very brave thing to do. You're
laying it out there. But it's an incredible read and
an incredible story and truly inspirational. And thank you so
much for coming and talking to us.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Thank you for having me. It's been really good.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
It was doctor Timilty Timock. It is really an incredible story.
The book is called The Unlikely Doctor. It's in stores
this Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudken, listen
live to News Talks It'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News talks'b This week, I have.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Read the most extraordinary book. It's a new book by
Timorti Timoki. At the age of fifty six, Timorti became
a doctor, but before that came a childhood filled with abuse,
time and care time and state care, prison and eventually gangs.
It was in rehabit during a stint in prison, that
Timurti wondered if there was model life, if he could
(00:35):
turn it all around. He became a paramedic, which also
came with its challenges, and then in his fifties, he
decided to train to become a doctor. Timurti has shared
his incredible story. The book was called The Unlikely Doctor,
and Timoti is in the studio with me now. Thank
you for coming in. Good morning, Good morning. Tell me
why did you decide to share your story? What's your
(00:57):
mission with this book?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Basically, like, my life has been quite unique, unique in
terms of me having the ability to not only write
a book, but to excel to where I am at
the moment, and there are a lot of people that
could be where I am. But now due to the
barriers that that society have put in place, they are
(01:20):
not able to do this. And so essentially what my
book is looking at as the potential that this country
could have if we realize that these are the barriers
in place, and how we need to mend them in
order to allow this country area just potential.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
At the very beginning of the book, you talk about
how you like to where you know, you bust to
and from work at Middlemore Hospital, and you like to
wear your doctor scrubs and you keep your idea on
you that you know calls you a doctor and things
purely so that other kids can say, oh, look there's
a Marti doctor.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Absolutely, I stay in South Auklan, I stand publicly, and
there's not many Marty doctors or Pacifica doctors. And so
what I need to do is I need to show
that that martin Pacifica can be doctors. You know, they
need to see a brownsk dockedor out there walking around
and then it needs to happen often, and it needs
to happen in such a way that people become normalized
(02:13):
to it and go, yeah, that's that's just what we
do out in South Auckland. And there's a partner book
where I talk about uh traffic lights up by Hunter's
Corner shopping center, and I'm waiting across and across the
road as a young boy, and he must have been
about eight years old or something, and he's standing next
to his bike and he's and he's waiting across yet
(02:34):
and I'm looking across at him, and he's staring at me,
and he's checking me out, man, and I'm thinking, ha yeah.
And then the walk sign gaze and we cross crossing
pass and and he looks up at me and gess,
I guess, hey, bro, And I got hey very and
he was beaming in that and and it was the
experience last maybe a second, two seconds, and then he
walks on his way in. And that's what I want,
(02:56):
because in a second I realized that if I was
wearing a gang patch, he would have done exactly the same.
This is because this young boy is looking for something
to aspire to, and like he's more likely to see
a gang patch than a marty doctor, and so what
needs to happen and needs to be normalized. So he
(03:19):
sees that all the time, and it's reinforcing his mind.
And so by the time he turns forteen fifteen sixteen,
he thinks, you know what, I might become a doctor,
or you know what, I might become a loyal and
you know what, I might become an engineer, And he
doesn't have any of that psychological barrier rather than him
turning fifteen sixteen game, you know what, I want to
be a gangster, because that's all he's growing up with.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Can we talk about you at fifteen or sixteen? It
was quite a childhood. Maybe just tell me a little
bit at first about your childhood.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
My childhood. Yeah, well, I'm part marty, part tongue, and
I've never known my dad because they separated before I
was born. My mom and dad separated for us born.
All I know about him was that he liked to
drink and he liked to hurt people. But then my mom,
she was up here in Tamaki working and she came
down to where my grandparents were in Matata and she
(04:11):
had me Intani Hospital. Now, the thing is, she was
at a stage of her life where she wasn't she
didn't want to be a mom, so she gave me
to my grandparents. It's called fine and it's quite common
in Mardi cultures. So I was finally to my quardal
and I was given his name Tim Moki. So I
was born Timothy up at Halma Timok and I lived
with him for the first six years of my life
(04:32):
and it was amazing. Like I it was beautiful. We
were very poor, but still I wanted for nothing, and
I was in a loving home, very supportive culturally where
they spoke Marty, yeah, and it was good I was.
And they come up here to Tamaki and I was
around all my cousins and that I was beautiful. Then
by the time I turned six, my mom decided she
(04:53):
wanted me back. And by this time she had married
this guy with the name of Morrison. But because I
was born Temuki, I was legally my grandfather's child. So
my mom did is she took my quarter to court.
Uh said this guy she had married when Morrison she
had married was my actual dad and stuck his name
on the birth certificate. Then I went from Timothy Temuka
(05:15):
to Tim Morrison and they uplifted me. And they were
dysfunctional people that are dysfunctional as hell, and life took
a real hard turn for me. My stepfather hated me
every time he saw me. Saw another man. He just
couldn't take it. I'd be I remember, I'm eight years
old and I'm in my room and I'm shaking like
(05:36):
how because I hear his car rolling up into the cupboard.
I know what's going to happen. You get out of
the car and off his face and just walk into
my room, pulled me out of bed and just slammed
a living and crap out of me and then just
leave me this buddy mess on the floor, go have
sex with my mum and got to sleep. And sometimes
that's what happened to me, maybe three times a week.
(05:57):
Eight years old, and that happened to me three times
a week, you know. So by the time I turned fourteen, man,
I'm broken. I am broken, man. But here's the thing.
I grew up in an area where I wasn't the
only kid that was happening to. What that allowed me
to do was allowed me to hang out with kids
that were similar to me. We never talked about it,
(06:18):
but somehow we just were so connected and it was
because of that stuff, even though we didn't talk about it.
And by that time, I'm broken. I'm not going to
school anymore, and I start getting into trouble. I had
my first official charge for attempted burglary affording ended up
in oy Ka Boys home. Fortunately enough. I I don't
(06:42):
know how it worked, but my English teacher found out
and I went to stay with them for a year.
Beautiful family, beautiful family. But I'm broken, and so I
don't know how to engage with it. I don't know how.
I don't know what it is, you know, And so
it doesn't matter how much love and attention they gave
me and how much support. I didn't know how to
(07:04):
utilize that. I'm broken.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's really interesting because I think that that pops up
throughout your life. There, you know, there are moments where
you do get yourself together. And if I skip forward
a little bit, you end up in Australia and you
go to rehab and you get clean and actually you
end up with your own security business and life is
going well. But interestingly, if the wrong person came into
your life where if things got a bit wobbly, yeah,
(07:26):
everything would fall over again, wouldn't it. And I mean
it's so I suppose my question to you is, and
I look at you, you know now, I think you
were fifty six when you graduated.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Is it a doctor?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Which is, and it's a phenomenal story as to how
you got there. It's so much in between. But how
important is it to deal with that kind of trauma that,
of course you do not understand or able to process
when you're a young man.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
That's a good question. And and the thing was, I
got married and I got divorce and I just everything
hit the skids. But what had happened is like from
right back at the beginning till then, I was evolving
and in the rehab was the first time ever I
learned about the things underneath that that that were happening
(08:16):
and the reasons behind are the reasons why I was
doing stuff, And so I was starting to understand that.
And I think if I hadn't gone there and I
had rocked by them again, things would have been a
lot different from me. And and that's how it is
through all my life, like I've been able to utilize
tools that I got at that time to to to
(08:37):
help me manage for the future. Yeah, going back, like
I were hanging out with those kids, I utilized the
tools that I got because I needed them for when
I went to prison and I ulized and I got
tools in there they utilized for when I got out
of prison, and I utilized those tools that I found
there when I got to Australia and I utilized those
(08:58):
tools that honed. There's those tools to to go okay,
carry on, and and and and it just kept going
from there.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
At no point, you know, when you're going through your
teenage years, you're in a lot of trouble, and you
end up at a you know, sort of corrective training,
you end up in a boot camp, you end up
in Mount eat in prison. All this keeps you know,
this is kind of a bit of a regular occurrence
for you. At any point, did anyone look at you
as a vulnerable child or a victim, you know, especially
(09:28):
when you were younger as well when you started. You know,
you're a bright kid. You're at school and all of
a sudden, you're not going.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
My grandparents and the school teachers and her family.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So some people did try.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Some people did try, but like I said, by the
time they'd got around to it, especially my school teacher
and her family, it was too late. Mate. Like, you
can't you can't just go and turn off a tap.
It's not a tap. Yeah, and you can't turn it
off and get okay, from now on, we'll put a
wash on it, we'll fix it, and now to be fine. Yeah, yeah, No,
(10:04):
it doesn't work like that. And so so because of that,
I had to evolve through it, and I think it
came down I'm on a large part to come down
to the the first six years I spent with my
grandparents and I was born, you know, without an e.
I was born quite a smart kid, and with that
(10:25):
intelligent intelligence, I was able to kind of not only
negotiate my way through stuff, but also be able to
step back and work out how things what things need
to happen at that time.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I mentioned that you ended up in corrective training.
You went on its seat of what we now would
call a boot camp. But you've got quite an interesting
perspective on what that can create, and of course the
government has reintroduced them now. I thought this was quite interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Absolutely like they've born in the boot camps and yeah,
that that is not going to work. It's actually going
to be it's actually going to make things a hell
of a lot worse. And you can guarantee this. Like
I did boot camp, I came out fit, I came
out disciplined. I came out angry. Now, the only thing
(11:16):
that was missing that that I didn't have is someone
out here, like a leader with foresight and resources that
could have honed those tools into something that was effective
for that group. And the thing is today they do
have groups with charismatic leaders that do have resources. And
(11:40):
now what this governments are attempting to do is they're
attempting to do exactly what they did to me. Put
these guys in there and release them back out into
the community that are angry, that are fit, that are
disciplined and can take orders.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, and you make the point, that's going to make
them really good productive gang members.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
They're going to be like they each each group, each
each different gang will have their own little individual elite
force within it, and it'll be made up of these
these people. And and the thing is that that they
these clubs now have resources to invest in that to
(12:19):
actually hone them and perfect them into a into a focus.
And that's the thing that I missed, and which is
fortunate for me, but also very fortunate for this country
because when I did end up in Australia and I
did end up with charismatic leaders with resources I excelled, Yeah,
and I became one of the top ranking people in
(12:40):
those kind of clubs and so. So the thing is
that now here the government thinks, oh yeah, well we'll
just do this and and and we'll show that we're
tough on crime. They're idiots, mate.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You don't think the gang problem's going to go away never.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
This is because gangs they reflect where society is failing. Yeah,
they mirror societies fails. And so the if you want
to the mask gangs, you have to demonister the drivers
the same as crime. You can't be tough on crime.
You got to You've got to take care of the
(13:20):
drivers of crime and so so so that you've got
to take care of the drivers of people becoming gangsters.
You need more Marighty doctors, you need more Marty lawyers,
you need more Mardy engineers. You need more brown skinned
people walking around in South Auckland that have scrubs on
rather than gang patches. That's what you need.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That teacher that you had at school always instilled in
you the importance the English teach, the importance of education.
And later on you you did educate yourself. You you
you study acupuncture, you became a paramedic and then you
ended up at medical school. Has your life experience made
you a better doctor?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And uh, it's made me so much more, have the
ability to engage with people on different levels and also
engage with people in a way that no other doctor Ken.
Thank you so much for sharing this story.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I mean, it's a very brave thing to do. You're
laying it out there. But it's an incredible read and
an incredible story and truly inspirational. And thank you so
much for coming and talking to us.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Thank you for having me. It's been really good.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
It was doctor Timilty Timock. It is really an incredible story.
The book is called The Unlikely Doctor. It's in stores
this Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudken, listen
live to News Talks It'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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