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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Francisco
bud Can with you until mid day. Hope you long
weekend is going well. Got the terrible weather hit you.
I hoped you'd had a moment of respite, a moment
to start the recovery. Looks like there's a little bit
more bad weather on the way as well. So not
hugely impressed with spring so far. Right on the show's
day that, we're going to catch up with Bill Bailey.

(00:48):
He's in New Zealand with his vaudevillion show. He's going everywhere,
which impresses me. He's not just short quick stops when
he comes to New Zealand. We're going to talk comedy, pets, crafts,
and OMRU. After eleven, Paul Henry graces us with his
presence to talk about the Chase. Yes, the Keywi version
is coming our way. Can you find out just how
daunting it was to step into Bradley's shoes and what

(01:10):
kind of a contestant Paul would make. Paul Henry is
with me after eleven and never one New Zealand have
made a decision about Dame nol Lean. We will get
the details on this very shortly, and of course, as always,
you're most welcome to text me throughout the morning. Ninety
two ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Two the Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
So yesterday on Jack's Thames Show, I was talking about
the new Springsteen film Springsteen Deliver Me from Nowhere. It's
just had our cinemas and Jack asked me why there
have been so many music biopics recently, and it got
me thinking about how musicians and their origin stories and
struggles with fame have always made for good films and
we've always made them. But Jack is right. There have

(01:50):
been quite a few biopics about musicians recently. Think Better
Man about Robbie Williams, A Complete Unknown about Bob Dylan,
Bob Marley, One Love Back to Black about Amy Winehouse,
and there's plenty more to come. In twenty twenty eight,
each Beatle is getting their own film thanks to director
Sam Mendes. The truth of the matter is probably that

(02:10):
they make money. Marvel and comic book superhero cinema dominance
is cooling off, and so in recent years, Hollywood has
turned to the music barbic genre to replace it, and
it kind of makes sense. Really, Like comic book heroes,
many of these artists' lives is steeped in the mythology
perfect to mine for drama, and their stories are part
of pop culture. Apart from paying for music rights, they

(02:33):
aren't too expensive to make either. And look, we love them.
We love the comfort of their familiarity and a bit
of nostalgia. The music industry also love them because it
is a wonderful way for the industry to reconnect an
artists with their audience and create new fans. The Springsteen
movie is about the making of his acoustic folk inspired

(02:53):
album Nebraska. I listened to the album in the car
on the way home from watching the film, so tick
job done for me. The genre was revitalized in two
thousand and five with Walk the Line, which told the
story of flawed genius Johnny Cash and his wife June's relationship.
It told it warts and all, and around that time,

(03:14):
Ray About Ray Charles was also released, as was Control,
the story of the Troubled Life and Times of En Curtis,
lead singer of the new wave band Joy Division, and
since then we have been tapping our toes and reliving
our own relationships with the music of Elvis, or Alton John,
Freddie Mercury and NWA. As popular as the genre is
and as much as we enjoy the ride, it is

(03:35):
tricky for filmmakers to get these films right, though, isn't
it Because artists' stories often follow the same narrative beats,
so they can be a bit samey. But it can
also be a risk taking a unique approach. Taking on
a lead role can be rewarding for actors in award season,
but fans a judge when watching an interpretation of their heroes.
Springsteen delivered Me from Nowhere as a good case and point.

(03:58):
Aside from a few concert scenes, mostly we watch Springsteen
record an album in his bedroom and a little bit
in the studio while slipping into depression. It's hard, glossy, mainstream,
rollicking ride. But look, hey, if you're looking for something
to watch this long weekend and watching Jeremy Allen White
as Bruce Springsteen isn't you'll think? Then hunt out some
of our own music stories which have been turned into

(04:19):
excellent documentaries. Marlon Williams Two Worlds, The Chills, The Triumph
and Tragedy of Martin Phillips, Alien Weaponry, Love This One,
Thrash Metal, Love It, She Had, Beautiful Machine, Heavenly Pop,
It's the Flying Nun Story. So many good choices, and
it is also worth noting Life in One Chord, The
Shane Carter Story, will be available to rent from doc
Play from November sixth All beautifully told stories that enrich

(04:44):
our lives. The Sunday Session, So I love to hear
from you if you have got a little bit of
a favorite, if you've got a favorite flick about a musician,
all the ones that you think really missed the boat
and upset you a little bit. And of course if
you want to know where to watch any of these films,
just head to flick Dot, Colon and Z they'll point
you in the right direction. Coming up next, Netball New

(05:04):
Zealand has confirmed day Dame Nonlean Total has been reinstated
as Silver Fern's head coach. We're going to get a
debrief from Nathan Limb on this and we're also getting
to get to the US for the latest on the
military escalation in the Caribbean. Most welcome to text anytime,
ninety two, ninety two, welcome five.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Well this week, I guess it's two years done now.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
William Sam talk about.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
The time, she says.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
She starts heap it simple.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
It's Sunday, The Sunday.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for the best selection
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Speaker 3 (05:47):
Talks endb.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
It is fifteen past nine.

Speaker 7 (05:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
A resolution has been found on the ongoing Silver Ferns
coaching saga. Netball New Zealand has confirmed Dame Nolean Toto
has been reinstated as Silver Fern's head coach. She will
return to the role at the end of the year.
And to discuss I'm joined by the New Zealand Herald
Netball reporter Nathan Limo.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Morning morning, Francesca.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Thank you for popping in to talk to us about this.
What have you made of this? Did Netball New Zealand
basically have no choice here?

Speaker 5 (06:16):
It's difficult, he I think they had to bow to
public pressure. I'd actually got to the point I said
on herold Now earlier this week that I thought that
this has gone on so long. It's been six weeks
since she was stood down, ten days out from the
Tiny Jamison series. I felt like it got to the
point where if they wanted her back, she'd be back.
You know, how long does it take to move through

(06:36):
these sort of discussions and we still don't know what
the sticking points were. So I'm actually going to be
talking to Netbor New Zealand chief executive Jenny Wiley and
the board chair Matt Winner at ten forty five this morning,
So I'm going to be putting all these questions to
them and people will be able to read about it
in the New Zealand Herald are later this afternoon. But
you're right, it's been a complete mess. If we take

(06:56):
this all the way back to the January camp where
apparently this all went down, it just feels like an
h armiss.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, it just feels like it's an Edmund.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
But it never should have got to this point because
if it dates all the way back to January, they've
had what has it been nine months since then? Nine
ten months they've had to sort of work through a
resolution here and we again we don't know the details
and what's that sort of resulted in? Is we got
to the point where they're like, oh crap, we've got
a standard down ahead of the Tiny Jamison series. And

(07:27):
then the public, with their understandable loyalty to Todea and
everything that she's achieved in her career one of the
greatest coaches, if not the greatest, that Silver Fans have
ever had, wanted to hold someone accountable and that came
in the form of the players. But because of the
position that they were in in terms of a contractual
agreement around employment, they are unable to release any information,
and so the public have gone on this sort of

(07:49):
witch hunt to identify which players which is really complained Yeah,
because no one has any of the context necessary to
make those conclusions over who is actually at fault, and
then players who haven't been involved have ended up being
dragged under the bus.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
What do we know about the agreement that has been
reached here?

Speaker 5 (08:06):
So basically, they put out a release at six pm
last night and they said that they have their discussions
over they have been able to come to an agreement
and Total has agreed to certain changes within the Silver
Ferns environment, particularly with player voice and player driven voice,
but also some personnel changes. Now there aren't any specifics

(08:28):
of what those are or what any of this actually
looks in practical terms. So again, this is something that
I'll put to the Netball New Zealand leadership this morning
and hopefully we can get some clarity around it, because,
as I said, throughout this whole process, clarity and information
has been very hard to come by.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, what I don't understand is they put out a
press release it's said that no Only will return is
silver Fern's head coach effective today, but the interim coaching
appointments will remain in place until the conclusion of the
Northern tourist So is she back or not she.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Yeah, It doesn't really make sense, does it, because it
did say you're right, it said quote effective today, she's back.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
In today, but she's not back coaching until.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Yes, the interim coaching set up will remain in place
to the end of the Northern Tour so as to
prevent disruption to the current team. So basically we've got
still got two Constellation Cup tests, one a day, one
later in the week, and after that there's I think
it's like ten twelve days before the first test in Scotland,

(09:24):
and so to prevent disruption and changing the whole leadership
of the Ferns. That will leave vit Mcausonuriy and Lean
Eliot in charge. The question is why can't Total at
least go along and be part of it, part of
the Northern tour because we've got the Commonwealth Games the
middle of next year. There is not many games between
now and when New Zealand are competing in the Commonwealth Games,

(09:45):
and when they play Scotland, they're going to be playing
at the venue in which they will play at the
Commonwealth Game. It makes sense to have her there.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Okay, And we don't know if she's going to be
on the tour at the moment. We think she's not.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Yeah, I'm going to put this, I'll find out.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is it going to be an easy process for Noline
to return to coaching this team.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
You'd imagine that there would be a certain amount of
tension because regardless of what's been said, obviously there is
division between the Ferns. At the moment, some players were
fully in support, as we saw with Grace Weki, which
I thought was her speech after that tiny Jamison game
was the most refreshing. Honest, we needed that, we needed
some honesty and someone being authentic throughout this whole thing.

(10:28):
So I applaud her for that, but obviously there were
players who disagreed and we're not on board with the
way Total was running the team. So the big question
is when Total comes back to the Helm, can she
unite this group of players, because obviously she was offside
with a few of them. Can they put all of
this behind them because there's a lot of emotional baggage
that would have come from this. Players have been copying

(10:49):
crap from the public for months now, for weeks as
they try to figure out the public who to hold
accountable for this, So that will be a huge challenge
for Total, And I think maybe we've seen I suppose
the disruption reflected on the court in terms of the
Silver Fans sort of heavy losses, but I would put
the you know, the Constellation Cup defeats, they had one

(11:11):
bad quarter in each game, so I'm not sure how
much you can read into that, but that is a
huge challenge for Total or to actually unite this group
under her leadership.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
How damaging do you think this whole saga has been
to Netbor, New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
Hugely, hugely damaging because Not only is this sort of
a thing that New Zealanders have reacted to and gone wow,
this is you know, a national coach that has been
stood down. And this whole situation's really embarrassing because this
has happened on the world stage. This is something that
Australian media has been across, that British media has been across.

(11:46):
We have had basically a complete meltdown in front of
the entire world and everyone is aware of it and
commenting on it and following it along with the sort
of saga and the sort of the drip feeding of
information or lack thereof. So I think it's been hugely
damaging to the sport, especially if you know, if you're

(12:06):
a parent, and you are you have kids who are
growing up playing netball, you want them if they are
really enthusiastic about netble and they say I want to
play for the sort of fans. As a parent, you
want to know that that's a career that potentially is
going to be there. And with the last couple of
years we've had this broadcast steal drama, not knowing if
there's going to be an A and Z premiership next

(12:27):
year and that still isn't really sorted because we've only
got a one year deal with TV and Z for
next season. You don't know that there's going to be
a job and how much faith do you have in
the leadership given what they've overseen over the last few months.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
So there's a lot more going on with netball New
Zealand and just this particular one.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
There's a lot more going on. It's been a really,
really tough couple of years for the sport in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
As you mentioned, they were unavailable, they didn't want to
talk to us until ten thirty. Maybe getting some ducks
in a row, maybe, Nathan, before they talk.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
To you Saturday morning, they can have a sleep fair enough.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
You mentioned you've got quite a few things you want
to ask them, but what else are you hoping to
hear from them this morning?

Speaker 8 (13:06):
Well?

Speaker 5 (13:06):
I also want to hear I suppose apart from the
you know that getting the ducks in a row in
terms of what actually happened, why did it take so long?
There was a line in the release about the release
the investigation and the discussions found that Toto's integrity was
not in question at all. Okay, Well, if that's the case,
why did it take so long to come to this resolution?
You know it was it was a long time, so

(13:28):
there must have been some real sticking points that they
just could not agree on. So what were they? But also,
is anyone going to be I suppose held accountable for
this whole thing because no one's resigned, no one said down,
Toto is coming back in all of the personnalities. They
said there'd be some personnel changes, so what are those?
And is anyone from the leadership going to be accountable
for overseeing this entire thing?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
You're actually heading after Hamilton this afternoon to watch the
Silver Ferns in Australia. I think it would be very
interesting for you to talk to the crowd and find
it get there sort of you know the fans response.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
To all this.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
But do you think that the Silver Ferns can turn
it around this afternoon against Australia?

Speaker 5 (14:04):
I actually do. I actually do. And the re is because,
as I mentioned before, through those if you just look
at the scores of those opening Constellation Cup tests, they
got flogged. But if you watch the games, three quarters
of each game they were sticking with the Australian. So
if they can put together a complete performance. Yes, they
can be there or thereabouts, but it is clear that
the Australian Diamonds are sort of on another level. Maybe

(14:26):
with this news and with the crowd support, the Silver
Ferns can put out a full four quarter performance. But yeah,
I think we have the personnel to upset the Aussies.
Winning defending the Constellation Cup from here is a long ass.
They have to win both of the games and then
we go to a period of extra time sort of
do or die playoff. But I think they can do it.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yes, like the positivity. Nathan, then, thank you so much
for coming in and talking us through all that. As
Nathan said, he'll be updating us on all this and
the questions that we can't quite answer yet from Netborne,
New Zealand this morning. You'll be able to find that
zherld dot co dot NZ and Elliot Smith will also
be talking to Netborne, New Zealand after midday. It is

(15:04):
twenty four past.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Nine the Sunday session, warning.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
One misstep from the US could result in a small
war with Venezuela. This is after the US announced it
was sending aircraft carrier to Latin America. It's a major
escalation of military build up in the area, and US
correspondent Dan Mitchison is with me. Now, good morning, Good morning.
How big an escalation is this?

Speaker 7 (15:30):
Well, I mean that's a good question. I think that's
yet to be seen. And you hit the nail on
the head right there. If your listeners are wondering, Yes,
deploying an aircraft carrier of this size, it's the USS
gerald Ford is a major escalation of military power. And yes,
we've already seen an unusually large build up I think

(15:50):
in the Caribbean and the waters off Venezuela, and we've
conducted I think it's ten strikes now on these suspected
drug running boats.

Speaker 8 (15:57):
And the President says he's not going to stop.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
What is this about for Trump and his administration? And
actually is it about Trump or is it more about
Marco Rubio driving this?

Speaker 8 (16:07):
Ah boy?

Speaker 7 (16:08):
That is another good question. There have been a number
of articles written in the paper, a couple that I've
been peruising through this morning, and one from the I
think it was the La Times said that basically this
is the Trump administration banking on the idea that it
can get away with the boat bombings and they've had,
you know, forty three people that have died, and they say,

(16:32):
or at least people in the White House field, that
anyone who might have any kind of sympathy or doubt
deserves aggression as well. So I think this is Trump
just trying to make his presence felt. I think he's
trying to live up to promises of cutting down on
drugs running into the US that he had made during
his his campaign. And yeah, and that's kind of where

(16:53):
we aren't with this whole situation too. And then you've
got the president of course of Venezuela's who's accusing the
US of fabricating this new war and saying, well, you're
doing this and it's and it's illegal. But yet we
see the you know, the drug trail kind of leads
back there as well.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
To the US.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
We have seen a group of Republican senators pretty much
join the Democrats to just remind Trump that they, you know,
he cannot go to war without the consent. There are
people calling for congressional oversight on this.

Speaker 8 (17:23):
Yeah, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 7 (17:24):
You've got members of the US Congress, both Democrats and Republicans,
who continue to raise concerns about how legal this is,
how legal. Are these strikes? Does the president have authority
to order them? But one of the things I think
that we've seen, especially this week with President Trump, well
it goes back a lot more than this week, but
I'm thinking of the destruction of the East Room with

(17:46):
the at the White House. That is something that he
had needed prior authorization to do, and he went ahead
and did it.

Speaker 8 (17:53):
Anyway, it's the same with this.

Speaker 7 (17:56):
I think, you know, there are these concerns that he
should have gone about this through the proper channels, which
he didn't. Instead, he's giving the orders directly, and you
know those orders are being followed. But again, this will
go back to the legality of the whole situation.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Right now and at the moment, all the action has
taken place on the water, but there is some concern
with this kind of firepower in the region that it
could move on land. Do you anticipate that.

Speaker 7 (18:24):
I would think that the President wants to keep boots
off the ground at this point, and the Trump is
continuing to accuse Maduro of being the leader of these
drug trafficking organizations, and I think he's seeing some results
right now not having boots on the ground, They're getting

(18:44):
some results from just firing these attacks on the water.
There are fears, I think in Venezuela two that the
build up is aimed at removing the president of that
country from office. And he's been a long time opponent.
I mean, there's no secret of President Trump, and the
US just doesn't recognize him as Venezuela's legitimate leader right now.

(19:05):
After the election they had last year, they said, you know,
this wasn't a free election. This wasn't a fair election.
So I think when the president gets a b and
his bonnet and he takes things personally as he does
with this, I think he will continue to go after
this until there is a resolution of some sort.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
So that's potentially the endgame here, the toppling of President Maduro.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
One would think. So.

Speaker 7 (19:31):
I mean, obviously, drugs is has been a big concern
in this country for some time. Usually it's Mexico that
the president goes after, and he has to a certain
extent right now, and there have been with the trade
wars going on right now, conversations with Mexico's president about okay,
we're going to pull back on those trade wars if
you ease up on the drug situation, or you crack

(19:53):
down on the drug situation and try to get the
supply lowered here into the US. And I think it's
the same thing with that country, but it's also a
little bit more. I think that they want they want
him out of Venezuela as their leader.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Which kind of explained. You know, there's all US talk
about Venezuela and the fentanyl and things, but they are
not a major source of intanyl and even not really
a major source of cocaine. It kind of explains a
reason that's been given that doesn't quite make sense.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
Well it does.

Speaker 7 (20:24):
I mean, the cartels are obviously bad. Drugs are bad.
You know that Marco Rubio has said. Bottom line, these
are drug boats that are coming in and if people
want to stop seeing the drug boats blow up, stop
sending drugs to the United States. But as you mentioned,
it's not just that country. I mean, Mexico is a huge,
huge importer of drugs to our south. We've got Canada

(20:45):
to the north, and we know that there's situations going
on with the trade deals and the trade wars with
that country. You've got Asia, You've got you've got European,
Eastern European countries too that have come into this, so
it's it's more than just one. It's just it's like
you know, bees to honey for for lack of a
better analogy, right now, they see that the supply and

(21:07):
the demand is here in the US, and it's an
easy way to make money. And we've got our own
drug issues here too. I mean it's it's not like
you have to look outside of the borders to find
someone to blame for this.

Speaker 8 (21:20):
I mean it's it's a huge problem here in the US.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
It's Mexico or Colombia or other lave in the American countries concerned.

Speaker 8 (21:27):
I don't know if they're concerned right now.

Speaker 7 (21:29):
I think you've got the cartels that are probably more
concerned than everybody else, you know, trying to take a
big bite out of their their their trade and the
money that comes with it too. And I think you've
got people on this side of the border. I mean,
you know, we have a gateway down where I live
or used to live in southern California, uh Tijuana, that.

Speaker 8 (21:51):
That is a is a border cross. And you've got.

Speaker 7 (21:54):
Texas which is a huge, huge gateway for drugs right here.
And then you've got you move over to Florida, and
you've got the drugs coming in off the coast right there,
and that's been that's been a huge issue, especially from
the Caribbean for some time.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Dan, could this be another Panama? What do you think
the fallout could be from all this?

Speaker 7 (22:15):
I'd be lying, I think if I told you I
had the answer to that, because I think we see
things with this administration change so rapidly. You know, previous administrations,
you would get a lot of talk, there'd be a
lot of back and forth between Republicans and Democrats, and
then something might get issued. Most of the time it
was an economic sanction. But I think Trump has decided
to skip all that this time, and he says, you know,

(22:37):
we were done talking. It's time to get action and
let's show people that we can do something. And that's
what's got a lot of people concerned right now.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Dan Mitchinsons always thank you so much for your time.
Really appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (22:50):
My pleasure.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
That was US correspondent Dan Mitchinson. It is twenty seven
to ten.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks at.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
B Thank you very much for your takes. A sworn
Francisca Netbare, New Zealand will not disclose anything as usual,
claiming hr confidentiality. Good luck another one here. It seems
to me like will New Zealand have really stuffed things
up Ultimately, I think the government in New Zealand Sport, however,
sees the money payout brought it to a semi conclusion. Malcolm,
I think I think it was him to the point.
What was everyone was having to say? And it was

(23:25):
getting a bit ridiculous and it was time to bring
it to an end. You might be right there, lind
text to say, don't forget about the Elvis movie. Really
enjoyed it, especially where he came from. Presume you thinking
about the recent one by Baz Luhman that was really good.
Kurt Russell played him in an Elvis film in nineteen
seventy nine as well, and he was really good. Francisca,
I was disappointed in your review of the Springsteen movie yesterday.

(23:47):
I really wanted to see it. I think he's one
of our best rock stars and he isma's and he's
about fantastic. It just depends what you want. If you
want the rock and roll, if you want lots of
concert scenes, if you want lots of music to get
you know, and energy and things, it's probably not the
film for you. If you are interested in watching tortured
artists kind of create an album in their bedroom on

(24:09):
the studio and things, than it is to your I
actually did enjoy it, but I just making the point
it might not be for everybody. Thank you very much
for your text. Ninety two ninety two. It's time to
talk politics now and I'm joined by Newstalk ZB Political
Report Ethan Griffiths. Good morning, Ethan, Good morning Francesca.

Speaker 9 (24:27):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I believe the Prime Minister left yesterday for Malaysia and Apeck.
Is that correct?

Speaker 10 (24:33):
This morning?

Speaker 11 (24:33):
Actually about half an hour ago?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Ok? Okay, So what's he doing in Malaysia.

Speaker 11 (24:38):
Well, he's going over there to take part in the
East Asia Summer that's of course, with the big Asian
leaders plus US, Australia and the US. Now it's a
pretty important meeting. President Donald Trump is attending the meeting
this year, which is kind of unusual. It appears he's
taken a bit of an interest in trying to broke
out a peace deal between Cambodia and Thailand after some

(24:59):
border squirmishes. Earlier this year. Now, Luxan of course will
be focused on trade, Asia our biggest trade market, and
Southeast Asia growing very very fast, so expect a few
meetings with Asian leaders there, but the details of who
with we aren't sure yet.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Okay, I'm look. I know that there's gonna be a
lot going on, but I think in the next week
everyone's going to really have their eyes on Trump and shushiping,
aren't they.

Speaker 10 (25:24):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 11 (25:25):
And of course that meeting will be taking place at APEC,
which is straight after the East Asia Summit. Trump will
be there Canada's leader, President She, Japan's new prime minister,
who Trump is also meeting with, so that meeting between
Trump and She is going to be absolutely the biggest
highlight of the APEC event. Trump has kind of threatened

(25:47):
that he might not go ahead with it, depending on
what happens with China's response to some of his latest tariffs,
but we'll see what happens there. And of course Luxem
will be holding out for a meeting himself.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
He's only ever.

Speaker 11 (26:00):
Spoken to Trump once on the phone, they've never properly met,
so he'll certainly be hoping for a meeting there. But
while lots of time is reserved for bilateral meetings at
both the East Summit and APEC. There are no confirmed
meetings with any leaders yet.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Okay, I'm sure that trade is kind of top of
the list of things that's going to be discussed.

Speaker 10 (26:19):
Yeah, without doubt.

Speaker 11 (26:20):
I mean, New Zealand is currently on a slightly higher
tariff rate than the base. Christah Luxen will be hoping,
of course that new helicopters and planes that we're ordering
from the United States will help with that. Obviously, New
Zealand is in a what's called a trade deficit with
the United States, very marginal, so I think there is
lots of room there for the US to sort of

(26:42):
have a look at our case and think, actually, these
guys are all right, we have a pretty even trade
trade relationship, so potentially some room there for moves on
the tariffs. But of course we'll have to wait and
see on that. Trump is pretty set in his ways
when it comes to tariffs.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Ethan really quickly Labor released it's future fun policy this week.
Has it been received.

Speaker 11 (27:03):
Yeah, I mean it's only taken two years, hasn't it.
The finally bringing some ideas to the table. I mean
the problem here is putting the merits of the policy aside.
It's very very light on detail. It's kind of like
the Superfund, that's what they're comparing it to. But it
will only be four Kiwi projects, nothing overseas, few problems.

(27:23):
They're going to see it with two hundred million dollars
of government funding as well as government assets. They haven't
said what assets there's going to be. The problem is
those assets return a fair chunk of money six hundred
million dollars and dividends every year. Now if they're all
going into the fund, then the government's left with a
pretty sizable hole in its box. So that's of course

(27:43):
been the criticism from the National Party. New Zealand First
have got quite a different criticism. They claim that the
idea was stolen from them, so an interesting criticism there.
But of course we need to wait and see for
the party's fiscal plan to actually see, you know, how
they're going.

Speaker 10 (27:59):
To fund this.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Thank you so much, Ethan, really appreciate your time. This morning.
It is twenty to.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
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Speaker 2 (28:11):
It is seventeen to ten now a bold tag. It
has been set by one of our environmental charities through
Kiwi Schools National Environmental Education and Restoration Program. Trees for
Survival has planted one million trees and shrubs. But why
stop there? This set a new lofty goal to plant
one million more by twenty thirty. Sally click from Trees
for Survival joins me. Now, good morning, Sally.

Speaker 12 (28:34):
Oh Aina.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
What would it take to get another than million trees
planted in five years?

Speaker 13 (28:41):
Well, we've probably planted over two million trees up to now,
but we started counting probably not in our very first year.
Tree for Survival has been flying under the radar for
about thirty years now, thirty four years actually from when
it first started. So to get another million trees in
the ground we've planted, we're just tallying out the last trees.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Now.

Speaker 13 (29:03):
We've planted one hundred and seventy thousand this year with
two hundred and thirty three schools. So I've just done
the sums on that, and that takes us to nine
hundred and ninety nine thousand, five hundred and seventy or something. So,
and we are taking on between ten and thirty school
new schools each. I think we might even do it
in four years.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
What do you think, Well, why not just tell us
a little bit about Trees for Survival and what you do.

Speaker 13 (29:28):
Treval was a rotary initiated program that started about thirty
four years ago with the Rotary Club in Pakaranga East
and they started off with the view that and it
was a very lofty goal really, you know, to sort
of think back in nineteen ninety that we should have
trees for survival and we what we do is we

(29:49):
get we work with schools and we will And the
unique thing about True for Survival is that the school children,
the students feel that these are their trees because they're
growing them at school. So we don't take them out
to nurseries and do it there. They have a nursery
which we provide in their school. They will grow between
eight hundred and one thousand native seedlings which are all

(30:10):
ecosourced for their area, and those trees then are planted
out as a local site. So these sites are assessed
by our facilitators and then they're monitored for three years
after planting.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
And it's not just about planting, it's also there's quite
a bit of education involved in this too.

Speaker 13 (30:28):
Yes, I mean, when I got out of a planting
day and I talk for a group of students, you know,
it started off where I'd say to students, right, what
are the benefits of doing this? And they'd say things
like firewood or wood ships, and it was very much
thinking about what we get out of it, and it
was just changing that mindset to thinking, Okay, think bigger,
think planet, you know, what are the benefits And then

(30:49):
they would start thinking about, oh, birds, maybe you know,
food of the birds, habitat for the birds. And then
they think about the stream that they were planting alongside,
and they would say, oh, okay, yeah, we're filtering the runoff,
we're clearing up that stream were so they'd see all
those other benefits. So from that we decided that that
was quite a big ass to say for the teacher.

(31:10):
Now follow that up in the classroom. So we have
written an education resource which we'll go into schools and
it's curriculum aligned. We've had to sort of make sure
with all the different changes of curriculum that we've got
it curriculum aligned. So that is now something that is
in the classroom and it makes it easier for the
teachers and bearing in mind that a lot of our
students and teachers are coming from overseas and don't know

(31:34):
our native trees.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
You know.

Speaker 13 (31:35):
I've had conversations with one teacher said to me, I
don't know the difference between a flax and apahoda kawa.
So we thought, okay, right, we know where we're starting.
Let's let's get a resource out there that helps people
to learn about the native trees and then know the
benefits of putting them in the ground in the right place.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Sally, We've got a real focus at the moment on
you know, getting our kids into the classroom reading and
writing and doing their mess and things in it, and
that is very important. But I mean, I can remember
doing this at my primary school in the late seventies
and early eighties. I feel like schools we've been planned
for years, decades. What do the kids get out of.

Speaker 8 (32:11):
Something like this?

Speaker 13 (32:13):
Oh, it's amazing, and I think, you know, I had
a conversation with a primary school student recently who was
obviously really concerned about all these big weather events and
things that they had heard about climate change, and I
sort of had to say, listen, you can't solve that
problem you by yourself. But what you can do is
you can get out into your back yard and you
can do something about your local stream and about your

(32:36):
local area. And then you know your contribution. People all
those benefits we've just talked about, You know that you're
contributing to this and you're helping. And if everybody did that,
and you could sort of see this sense of relief
from this small child who had taken on all this
worry and he ended up saying, right, I'm going to
go back home to my mum and tell her I've
done something to save the planet today. But there's that,

(32:58):
you know, so at that age. But also often when
you're talking to primary school children, they asked the really
big questions. You know that within five minutes of starting
they'll say, well, what's soil made of?

Speaker 14 (33:09):
Well? Why is it?

Speaker 13 (33:10):
You know, and all these questions just keep coming at you,
you know, and and it's very interesting to let them
have those discussions and just listen in as they're planting,
when they find wounds and they find insects, and then
renaming all the insects and that sort of experiential learning
that I think is so important. And this is this
is why I think true to survival is so valued.

(33:33):
We had schools that started with thirty odd years ago
and they're still with us. We're now planting the children
of the parents who did the program with us.

Speaker 15 (33:41):
Oh, I love it.

Speaker 13 (33:42):
It's great, isn't it so? And then that's been passed
on and the parents come along to health. But that
you did, you know, we did this and we loved it.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Now I can, as I said, Sally, I can remember
doing it myself as well. Thank you so much and
best of lag Well, I think your team might be
a little but freaked out that you've just brought the
deadline for it a year early. That was Sally klig
there for from Trees for Survival. It is eleven to ten.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
The headline and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 10 (34:09):
When I read the headline this morning, a defining moment
in our history?

Speaker 16 (34:13):
Is it?

Speaker 17 (34:14):
I don't see it that way at all. I said,
there as a moment where accumulated frustration was expressed. Those
messages have been sent many times, We've heard them. It
doesn't solve anything. Getting back and finding a way forward
is the only way to get through this, and we
both parties have to be able to do it. We've
actually achieved settlements, so we know that we can do it.
We just need the unions to see it the same way.

Speaker 12 (34:35):
We need to make trade offs.

Speaker 17 (34:36):
I've made significant trade offs. They need to come to
the party and be prepared to make trade offs.

Speaker 12 (34:41):
I have not seen that yet.

Speaker 18 (34:43):
Back Tuesday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Baby's.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Real Estate News Talk zed B Relax, it's still the weekend.
It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rudgin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great reads us talk ZEDB.

Speaker 19 (34:58):
O the Key in the Door and those hanging Attical
and they were like, you've got the leading and a
place you've got to be back in London and for
our hustles in May.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
This is west End Girl by Lily Allen. It is
the title track of her new album. It was released
on Friday. She's making a comeback after seven years. It's
her breakup album. This is the album that she's written
since her divorce from Stranger Things actor David Harper. It's
been described as melodrama for the over forty year olds.
So there we go. If you loved melodrama, you might

(35:34):
want to give it a go. It Also, her sort
of described is a little bit contradictory. It sort of
sounds lovely and light and poppy, but actually her lyrics
are pretty harsh, I believe. So anyway, if you're a
Lily Allen fan, she is back now. Roy texts me
to say, has Joe Waners fight? I'm sure it's this morning? Yes,
it is Joe Parker, Fabio Wadley kicking off ten thirty.

(35:57):
We think between ten and ten thirty will be across
at this morning, and Elliott Smith is with us later
he'll cover it off for us in Sport. This is
of course take place at in London. I've been told
by the boxing experts here at news Talks he'd be
that Wardley is unlikely to be Parker on points, He's

(36:19):
probably gonna need a knockout. Parker is the more experienced,
skilled and sharper boxer, but Wardley has really fast hands
and genuine knockout powers, so just got to watch out
for that. And of course don't forget Parker has only
look he's fought for five minutes this year, and I
think he had one fight in twenty twenty four. I
did hear him on Mike asking though, what a great
guy does a good interview, doesn't he Anyway, He's feeling

(36:39):
very positive and very fit and lock fingers cross. This
means that he, you know, if he nails us he
might get that fight with Usik that he has been
waiting for for so long. But then, once again, the
boxing experts tell me here at news Talks, he'd be.
They don't think that that is going to happen anyway.
We are across it, is what I'm trying to say, Roy,
I will keep an eye on it for you, even though,
to be honest with you, watching men punch each other

(37:00):
in the heads is not my favorite sport. But just
for you, I'll you know what what happens six to ten.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
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Speaker 3 (37:14):
I'd be.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Not a lot of people called Fabio these days, aren't there.
I mean, we were talking about it this morning in
the office and we're talking about Fabio, and of course
immediately the Mills and Boone model came into our minds.
Remember Fabio with the long hair and that very sort
of dramatic, romantic look. And my producer says, look, well,
I know about hammers that he got hit by a
goose on a roller coaster, at which point were so what,

(37:38):
that's all I know about him. He got hit by
a goose on a roller coaster and we went, what
are you talking about? Gurgled it. There's the photo, poor Fabio,
beautiful Fabio with blood all over his face on the
roller coaster, hit by goose. Anyway, don't know where that
came from. The multi talented Bill Bailey is with us next.
He's back in New Zealand during the whole Country with

(37:58):
his vaudevillion comedy show. He is going to join me
to talk about comedy. We're going to get an update
on the Home Zoo, which I hear got a little
out of control role. Also, we're going to talk about
the number of instruments he can play to. Also, if
you Bill Bailey does not strike me as a kind
of man who spends hours watching Netflix. He seems to
always have something on the guy he is with me.
Next five seconds of Summer take us to the news

(38:21):
they have announced an Auckland gig for October next year.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkins and Wickles for
the best selection of grape reeds.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
New Stalk set me.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Great to have you with us. It is seven past ten.
I'm Francisca with you until midday now. Bill Bailey has
a bit of a love affair with New Zealand. The
English comedian, musician, actor and star of cult classic Black
Books has been a regular to our shoes over the
last thirty years and he's back his new tour. It's
going to thirteen centers. It's called Vaudevillion. It starts this Wednesday,

(39:44):
and I'm very excited to have Bill Bailey here in
the studio. Bill, so lovely to have you.

Speaker 18 (39:48):
Welcome, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Do you know what I love about you? What's that
when you come to New Zealand, you don't just go
I'll go to three main centers and then I'll head
to sunny Australia. You do the country, You've got all
the far flung corners. Indeed, what is it that you
enjoy about that? Why do you do that?

Speaker 18 (40:06):
Well, it's I mean simply because it's a beautiful country
and there's a lot about it that I love it,
and it's kind of the sort of things that New
Zealand offers, the sort of things I would seek out
in any country that I have a bit of spare

(40:27):
time in it. That is getting amongst nature, trying to
see some of the bird life you have here, the
amazing flora and fauna which is unique to New Zealand
endemic in some cases. So that is a big draw
for me, and so every time I get a spare moment,
that's what I'll be trying to do. But also it's
just a very beautiful country to travel around, and any

(40:50):
chance I get, I'll be out there exploring.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
So have you learned to tour? Well? Have you learned
to tour in a way that, as you say, you
can have a moment and enjoy it rather than going, Okay,
I've got all these stops I have to make and
kind of churn through the work.

Speaker 18 (41:02):
Absolutely, yes, I mean that's the thing, you know, because
I still love touring and I love the experience of it.
But yes, I've learned to tour a bit better over
the years and allow time for those kinds of things
as well. So you know, and you have to get out.
I think that's the key thing with me, otherwise you
end up in a lot of hotel rooms and you're

(41:23):
stuck indoors a lot of the time, and you can
be you can fall into a bit of a rut
like that, So I always try to get out and
see a bit of where I'm I'm going to be
playing it.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Oh on Maru, I think is a new stop for
you this time? Yeah, it's quite exciting. What do you
know about the place?

Speaker 18 (41:40):
Well, all I've gleaned from it firstly that it's just
it looks like a beautiful place to spend a bit
of time. But there's a steampunk museum, which I'm very
intrigued by because I had a show one year called Steampunk,
so I one of my sort of shows in the
Edinburgh Festival was called steampunk. So I've got a sort
of a bit of an interest in that anyway, So

(42:02):
I'm intrigued to see what that holds in store.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, and penguins.

Speaker 18 (42:05):
Penguins, Yeah, very good.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Places to eat and drink, I believe. Beautiful Victorian architecture.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
Ah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Limestone building sounds great. You're in for a real trait.
I think, have you been coming here for thirty years something?

Speaker 18 (42:17):
Indeed?

Speaker 8 (42:17):
It is.

Speaker 18 (42:18):
Yeah, I first performed in Auckland. I think it was
the Comedy Fest, probably about in ninety six or something,
so yes, about thirty audios.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
So you do the big venues, but then you do
these small venues as well.

Speaker 8 (42:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Do you like that connection that you have with an
audience and a small venue, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (42:34):
Very much so.

Speaker 18 (42:35):
And you often are able to have some fantastic interactions
in a smaller audience where perhaps in larger venues you
can't quite hear what people are saying, but in those
kinds of size of venue, because I love to interact
with audiences. I mean, I do ask people questions, I
encourage people to get involved, and places like that, small events,

(42:57):
as you mentioned, are perfect for that. So yeah, I
love that. I love to mix it up a.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Bit because there's nothing that kills a hickel or a
good chat more than you going sorry, can't you?

Speaker 9 (43:06):
You?

Speaker 2 (43:06):
And the back there exactly exactly.

Speaker 18 (43:09):
So you want everyone to hear what people are saying,
and in smaller venues you can.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Do that, and you like that connection with the audience.
You know, occasionally you see performers get up and you
can see that they get into a flow and they
just want to do their thing. Yeah, I want to
do this thing and get off the stage. But you've
always enjoyed that.

Speaker 18 (43:25):
I always enjoy that, Yeah, because I think then, well,
for a couple of reasons really, And the first thing
is is that an audience will then see, well, this
is unique to this night. This hasn't happened before, This
interaction hasn't happened before, So we're seeing something that might
not occur in any other venue. And then the other
thing is is that is this is very much what

(43:48):
and partly what this this new show that I'm trying
to to go to put together, Vaudevillian is very much
about that. It's about audience participations, about audience involvement that
was an integral part of those shows back in the day,
and so it's it's very much that I think that's
for me, the ideal show is where there's a combination

(44:10):
of things. There's some set pieces that I've worked out,
some routines and stories and anecdotes, but then there's always
a sort of a slight unknown quantity to a show
where you don't quite know where this interaction might lead.
But that makes it fun for me.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Really stimulating for you as well. But you know, What
I think I've noticed with crowds at the moment is
we are really enjoying and I think that is a
post COVID all working from home kind of thing. We
are so enjoying going out and sharing a communal experience
with other people. Yeah, and it's important that we do this,
isn't it.

Speaker 18 (44:44):
It's so important And I do detect that as well
post COVID. You know, over the last few years, there's
been a greater appetite I think a marked difference in
the reaction from crowds.

Speaker 10 (44:57):
Really, people are really.

Speaker 18 (44:59):
Enjoying it, getting even more out of it, and relishing
the opportunity to be in a crowd of people sharing
and experience which you can't really replicate in now the
other way.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Vaudevillian. When I first heard that this was the name
of your show, I did think to myself and in
my mind, a vaudeville show is almost like a variety show.
There's a bit of singing, there's some sketches there, and
in a way, that's what that's what you've actually be doing.

Speaker 8 (45:24):
That's it.

Speaker 18 (45:26):
Through ah entire career, sort of finally realized, oh, that's it,
that's what I am.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
And in a way.

Speaker 18 (45:34):
It was quite a I mean, it seems like it
would it would be, but it hasn't. It only occurred
to me in the last year, actually, when I finished
touring my last show, and I realized that this is
exactly what vaudeville is. It's a mixture of all these
different things, bringing exotic instruments into a show, a bit

(45:54):
of interaction with the audience, sketches, songs, a bit of dance.

Speaker 10 (45:58):
It's variety.

Speaker 18 (45:58):
It's old English music hall combined with a lot of
other things, cabaret, and and so it's almost I realized
now the time to just lean into that and actually say, well,
this is this is exactly what I am and what
I do.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
So we can expect you know, often a show might
if it's a comedy shark might have a particular thing,
but we can expect you to go anywhere and everywhere
with that.

Speaker 10 (46:21):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 18 (46:22):
And one of the things that I loved since I've
been researching the history of vaudeville was that it's it's
a very old art form. I mean, it became hugely
popular in America and then in the late nineteenth century,
and then of course it was superseded by radio, you know,
and then people just could get entertainment by staying at home.

(46:44):
But actually it goes back a long way. It goes
back to the fourteen hundreds in France. That's where the
name comes from, vaud de Ville, which is a place
in Normandy where you can identify where the first kind
of comic songs became popular, and then it spread throughout
France and then Europe and around the world. And I
just thought that is that's I feel now a kind

(47:07):
of connection almost with the past, with that, like I've
always felt performing, but now even more so. And so
part of the show is very much a little bit
about going back to that point and sort of almost
reconnecting with this the origins of what comedy in cabaret
has become.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It's almost like we're thoughtify you were, you were thinking
about the present and Ai and the future and Teak
and things like that, and now it's kind of driven you.

Speaker 18 (47:31):
Yat exactly right, it's awful. So it feels exactly that.
And the fact that actually, as you say, there is
now perhaps even a greater appetite for connecting with other
people and sharing that live experience. You know, so much
of our lives has become very disconnected. You know, we
spend a lot of time indoors, we spend in offices,
in cars and on our way to work, we spend

(47:53):
time at home, and the facilities that we have, we're
able to work remotely and we can do all those things.
We cannot have connections with others. So live entertainment has
almost a greater significance now. I think in people's.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Lives bill, how many new instruments did you learn for
this show?

Speaker 10 (48:11):
Okay, so I've.

Speaker 18 (48:15):
Currently I've currently it's currently five or four, but and
if you include a typewriter as an instrument, then it's five.
So I've got I brought a typewriter because there's a
piece of music which is played on the typewriter, and
it's classic vaudeville. It's absolutely could have been made for it,

(48:36):
and it's a piece of music that was scored for
an actual typewriter. And of course a lot of young
people will be looking at this thing like what the
hell is a typewriter? Anyway, But it's got a rhythmic
sound to it. It's like a percussion instrument in itself,
and there's got various different sounds to it. There's the
character returns and then so it's got this it has

(48:56):
the musicality to it. And I've got an instrument that's
called an ektara, which was given to me by a fan,
and it's I mean, on the face of it, it
doesn't look that promising. It's a one string loot, so
it only has one string, and you tune it by

(49:18):
squeezing two metal sorry, two wooden sort of struts which
contain it in at the base of it as a soundbox.
And it's it's it's from the fourteen hundred's the Indian subcontinent,
and it was used by in devotional music sort of minstrels,
troubadours would play this thing. And I thought, that's exactly

(49:41):
that's exactly what I am. So I need to figure
out how to way of play it because this is
kind of part of what I realize is what I
really love to tap into, is that comedy and cabaret
have roots in all sorts of areas of people's lives.
You know that were not necessarily when you know, you

(50:02):
would connect them with entertainment. They were they were yogi,
they were you know, it was they were priests shaming.
But they they would they would travel around and they
would perform and people would come and they would connect
with them.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
So how many instruments can you play?

Speaker 20 (50:20):
Now?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Do you haven't? Do you have a number the most.

Speaker 18 (50:23):
Sixty odd sixty three or something. But I'm not playing
all of them in this in this show. Otherwise it
would literally be picking up one are the thing?

Speaker 10 (50:34):
How are they bring?

Speaker 13 (50:35):
And then that that.

Speaker 18 (50:35):
Would that would be the show. So there's there's there's
only a few in this.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Villain arrived and instruments have arrived in New Zealer. I've
got to ask about the animals because we do talk
about Last time you were here, we were talking about
the zoo. Oh yeah, how is the zoo going?

Speaker 5 (50:51):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Are we adding animals? Are we omagently zoo?

Speaker 18 (50:56):
We have now we've now paired a zoo right down
because it was getting a bit out of hand. We
had quite a lot of animals, and there were all
animals that, for one reason or another, had been rejected,
had been trafficked, or were extraneous to requirements. And so
we had a bit of space and we had some

(51:17):
enclosures in our back garden that we were able to
accommodate them. So once once people know that you look
after animals, you're sort of on the radar of this,
and so we would get calls from people say, we've
had two red handed tamarins that've been traffic. Can you

(51:37):
look after them for a bit. Yes, we've got a
couple of armoredillos, can you look after them? Yes, We've
got some giant chickens, giant rabbits, partridges, we've got a
couple of hummingbirds. And so at one point we were
at full capacity and it was quite a lot of work.
And over the last few years, I mean, I'm busy

(51:58):
away in working and we needed sort of to help.
We had a couple of volunteers from London Zoo came
and helped out. But it was getting to the point
where I kept I come and open the door, and
I would just I'd be fearful to open the door.
You know what's going to greet me? Like a lizard's
looking at him, and they're like, you know, seet we
go pass. We were off at a wallaby at one

(52:20):
point because this wallaby was extraneous to London Zoo's needs,
and they said do you want a wallaby? And I said,
I'd love a Wallaby. But he's just going to get out.
You know, he'll be down the high street and then
we'll be on the news.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
And then you know one that I'm presuming you no
longer have the Malay fighting cocks.

Speaker 18 (52:39):
No, the Malay fighting cocks.

Speaker 10 (52:40):
They had to go. They had to go.

Speaker 18 (52:43):
The Cockrell he had to go because he was out
of control. I mean, he hated me. He just turned
against me and he would double ninja kick me on
the back of a leg. And he thought I was
I was after his hands and I wasn't. I wasn't
interested in his hands, but he got into his head
that I was trying to take them off him. Oh
he hated me, Oh my word. He would he would

(53:04):
lunge at me, and he would hide in the bushes
in the back garden and wait till I was crossing
the garden and then I could hear him running behind
me and he would rake the back of my legs.
He was vicious.

Speaker 10 (53:17):
He had to go.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
The last thing I want to talk to you about
very quickly is mastercrafters. Oh yeah, because I started doing
pottery about a year ago. Changed my life, absolutely love it.
I think we should all do something creative. Make something
with our hands. And you've had a TV show where
you've been taking a look exactly kind of traditional craft.

Speaker 18 (53:42):
And it was again something which I absolutely love. My
grandfather was a Stonemason and he, you know, he built
a lot of the house that I grew up in.
So there's a sort of But I think generally there
is an ancient culture of making in all human societies.

(54:03):
If you look at every single human settle around the world,
there'll be items there. They'll be that were not practical,
you know, needles or arrowheads or axes. They were therefore
aesthetic use for pleasure. They would have some other reason.
And it seems like it's a human compunction to make things.

(54:27):
And I think that, as you say it's, it can
be life changing because it's it's something that we are
compelled to do. And yet our modern lives almost restricts
us from that because everything's so easy to get. You
can buy things, consume things quite easily. Know, you have
to make things. Making is not now for necessity, it's

(54:49):
just purely for pleasure. But actually when you start making things,
it taps into this ancient desire to make things that
all humans have, and it's immensely satisfying, and that to
me was one of the great pleasures of making that show.

Speaker 20 (55:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
No, I wouldn't say that any of my part has
functional form, but I'd love the process of making it,
and it doesn't matter. Bill Bailey, thank you so much
for popping in, loving to catch up with you. Enjoy
your tour.

Speaker 18 (55:17):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
And if you're keen to see Bill while he's here,
He's got thirteen shows his Boardvillian Tour starts in Queenstown
this Wednesday. Tickets are on sale now. For more information,
head to Bohm Presents dot com. So Bohm Presents dot
com just spelling that up because I think it's easier.
And don't forget Paul Henry is with me after eleven

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ahead of the release of The Chase New Zealand. It
is twenty three past ten.

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Card Recive.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
This is the best song is Metal Straight Line as
a lies their latest album, and you may remember that
we had Liz and Jonathan from the band on the
show a few weeks ago ahead of their return to
the US. With some very exciting news from them. They've
posted on social media they will be on Jimmy Kimmel
Live Ver week, so it's set for Tuesday to keep

(57:22):
an eye out for that one. Joining me now to
Talk Entertainment. Steve Neill, editor at flicks dot Co, DoD
and Z, good morning.

Speaker 21 (57:28):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
That's exciting for the bedside, it's ruling.

Speaker 7 (57:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (57:31):
And you know, for a minute there, maybe Kimmel might
not have had a TV show. Timing is good though, Gutch,
how gutted you'd be if your US two a kind
of coincided with him being off the air. Or in
the case of New Zealand band the d four, they
played the Late Show with David Letterman, except Letterman wasn't
there and it was Bill's Bloody Cosby and Bill Cosby

(57:55):
did a bit, and his bit that was that he'd
fallen asleep and that they were giving him like Q
cards instead of talking. So they got introed for their
big night by a giant creep who didn't even say
legend and the default.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
That would be disappointing.

Speaker 21 (58:12):
Hey, what's not disappointing is the film Pike River.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
It's pretty good, am Yeah, real specih.

Speaker 21 (58:18):
I think that for people in New Zealand who have
been familiar with elements of the story now for fifteen years,
there's still a kind of totality that's missing. This really
helps flesh it out and tells from a human perspective,
this wonderful strength and effort by two really everyday women

(58:39):
to seek answers, justice and accountability for the dead men
in their lives and the community. It's really really powerful.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
So this is the new film by Robert Saki's which
is hitting cinemas this Thursday, starring Melanie Lynsky and Robin Malcolm.
And you could not cast this film better. It is
a masterclass in acting honor.

Speaker 21 (59:00):
Absolutely, and they have got extremely different but very compatible
acting styles and I think that you know, they're bringing
to life these characters really well. Linsky made it clear
like it's not an impersonation that she's performing, so it's
sort of not this going down the road of actors
trying to be true to life of the people, but
emotionally it's very true to life. I like how they

(59:22):
don't come into contact with one another on screen for
a while into the film, and when they do it
it's a really awesome scene. But yes, mirroring the real
life campaign. It's a real story of courage, and I
think it highlights a type of New Zealand, like Graymouth's
small town, slightly isolated, working class community that has kind
of slipped from our view in recent years, Like it

(59:44):
used to be such a big part of our national identity.
Now it kind of feels really really overlooked. And that's
kind of a theme of this film too, right, that
companies and government don't look after.

Speaker 10 (59:54):
The little guy.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I'm going to my reveal come out in the Herald
Bics weekend, But one thing I do say in the
review is that to me, and it's a very clinical
way of looking at a film, but to me, in
this film, decision making with key and all the decisions
that were made were spot on, from the angle that
they chose, to the casting to the cinematography. Like I
just felt it was very considered because there is a

(01:00:16):
huge responsibility in telling this story.

Speaker 21 (01:00:18):
Hugely, absolutely, and Saki's has form in this regard. Right
out of the blue, the Atawana film is a masterpiece
of New Zealand cinema. This is really different because what
Pike River doesn't do, and I was really glad about this,
was it doesn't really take us into the mind, It
doesn't recreate a disaster, it doesn't dwell unnecessarily on death as.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Such, and details over and over again those strung.

Speaker 21 (01:00:44):
Totally, and so you know, it tells it from the
perspective of the community, but also it means that we
as an audience have the same questions that the wives,
the parents, the friends and family do as well. Like
it leaves this kind of a king chasm at the
center of this film in a way that's really powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
I think it's going to conjure up. It conjured up,
but I've seen it twice and I've cried both times.
I think it's going to conjure up a lot of
emotions in people. But the thing that I was quite
surprised about was the shame I felt as a New
Zealander one hundred percent that there has been no justice
or accountability for these families one hundred percent.

Speaker 21 (01:01:20):
And Robin Malcolm points to the current Fast Track Approvals
Bill as basically put in New Zealand on the track
for another Pike River. So I think that's a really
great time to re examine what led to this, the
corner cutting, the prioritizing profit and convenience over people, and
so it's the timing of this film's release is really

(01:01:41):
really interesting. Anna and Sonya's fight to the woman featured
in Pike River is not finished. So it's a really
great amplification of their voice, doesn't take over from them,
doesn't put into the sidelines. It's just helping their message
reach more people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
And the film is out on Thursday. Put to the
top of your list. Thank you so much, Steve. For
more details on it, your head to flex dot co
dot nz. It is twenty seven to eleven. We're going
to talk fiber next.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at b.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Joining me now for science Study of the week is
doctor Michelle Dikinson. Good morning, Good morning fiber. We're going
to talk about fiber. Now, when we talk about fiber,
it's quite trendy at the moment when we're talking about
wellness and we think of it being news for various
you know, having various benefits to us, especially keeping us regular.

(01:02:39):
But new research has implied that fiber might not be
the answer for constipation.

Speaker 15 (01:02:45):
Yes, sorry Sunday morning, I know, but we're going to
talk about your little backed up down there and what
the new researcher said. So lots of people say have
a high fiber diet, eat more fiber if you're gonna
if you're struggling to go to the toilet, because that's
going to push everything through, and it's sort of an
old livestyle. So there's lovely new set of studies and
they're published in the Journal of Human Nuture and Dietics,

(01:03:07):
and also Neurogastoronology and Motim both publish the same findings.
Have actually just said, sure, fiber is great for you
for other reasons, but if you are constipated, we have
found due to this big study, they looked at seventy
five big studies, put all the evidence together and said,
it's not about your high fiber breakfast cereal, it's not

(01:03:29):
about your brand muffins, but it's about these four things
that we have found that actually will help you get
things moving. So they are not about how do you
know how many grams of fiber you're supposed to eat
a day? By the way, No, most people don't, right,
So when people say a high fiber diet, most people
don't even know what fiber is. So twenty five to

(01:03:53):
thirty grams a day should be your normal amount of
fiber anyway, So when they're saying high fiber dietes, you're
going over thirty grams a day, but ignore all that
if you need to go to birthroom, what you need
to do. And luckily, because we live in New Zealand,
it's something that we have all season round, is that kiwifruit.
So they said the humble kiwi fruit is actually the

(01:04:13):
best thing you could have to help improve store frequency
and consistency, as it says in the paper, and you
will need to eat three kiwifruit per day for up
to four weeks to get things really regular. But this
is what I found really interested, So you know me,
I read all the details in the paper and it
said please eat it without the skin, and I was like,

(01:04:37):
who eats kiwi fruit with the skin?

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
But lots of people do, do they? I don't.

Speaker 15 (01:04:43):
Yeah, anyway, So it said the skin will give you
more fiber and help you move more regularly if you
need that. But they said eating kiwi fruit skin gives
you other side effects, and they listed a whole bunch
of other tummy upset side effects and itchy mouths and
all sorts of weird things. So if you are in
if you already eat kiwifruit skin and it doesn't bother you,

(01:05:05):
carry on doing it. It's great for the rest of us,
and I thought it was weird that people did that.
Take the skin off and you'll be fine. So three
kubi fruit a day for four weeks, it's what you need.
But the other things on the list are quite nice.
One of them is rye bread, and so rye bed
has actually these nice bioactive compounds that appear to help
support the movement inside our gut. One is magnesium rich water,

(01:05:30):
so it's usually sold as mineral rich water, and actually
in the magnesium in the water can draw water into
the bowel to help you get things more liquid down there.
And the final one is called a sillium fiber and
a couple of probiotics, and they also help. So basically
the advisors high fiber diets are amazing for you for

(01:05:52):
other reasons hot health, gut bacteria, blood shook control. But
if you are constipated, ignore high fiber diets and ignore
senna based laxatives which also apparently didn't have any scientific
evidence behind them, and just go to your local grosser
and make sure you've got enough for's. Three kiwi fruit
a day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Look, I love that. I love the kiwi fruit, the
key we fruit, I also known it recently is really
good for ourn absorption because of its high continent invitement
c So there we go. It caters to a whole
lot of different different needs that we have. Michelle Dickinson,
thank you so much. We'll talk next week. Write something
a bit different for Labor weekend. Mike has a drink
recipe for us. He is with us next. It's twenty

(01:06:34):
tow eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
The Sunday Session Full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by
News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
IB My resident chef Mike vander Alson is with us now.
Good morning, Good morning. I like the way you're doing
something a little bit different for Labor weekend. We've got
a spring coal with honey, citrus and lavender. Sounds very refreshing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Then it's sounds delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
It headed down in the garden yesterday. Could have done
with one of those at the end.

Speaker 14 (01:06:59):
Of the day, Hannah, I could have one of those
every day. To tell you the truth, and I still
work to get on top of it. Anyway. Everything is
growing like bananas. The weeds are grown overnight. They're just incredible.
Our asparagus, We've got these big troughs of asparagus. And
if you if you're not there in the morning, you

(01:07:20):
come back in the afternoon and the thing's about a
met eye.

Speaker 10 (01:07:24):
It's incredible health.

Speaker 14 (01:07:25):
How fast things turn around, just a little bit of heat,
a little bit of sun, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:07:30):
The cows.

Speaker 14 (01:07:31):
Yeah, I don't know. Three months ago, I was struggling
for grass. Two months ago, I was struggling for grass.
Now it's like jep hasn't got way too much of it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:38):
Can't win.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Difficult life, difficult life on the lead.

Speaker 14 (01:07:41):
Anyway, do you know that today we've been here for
ten years and middle.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Oh, congratulations, isn't that incredible?

Speaker 8 (01:07:48):
Sometimes?

Speaker 14 (01:07:48):
Yeah, sometimes I was looking back through the through the
photos you know, on your on your on your your
photo library, you can go back through through the years,
and I was looking at this day last ten years ago.
It was there was a video of us coming down
the driveway when we first arrived in out of middle Way,
and the farm was just so overgrowing, beaten and worn out.
And I think sometimes you need to reflect on what

(01:08:10):
you've done over.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
The last I think so. Yeah, I think so, because
it's been quite remarkable what you've managed out there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:08:17):
Anyway, spring colert it. I'm actually doing this because citrus
is so abundant at the moment, and also our lavender
is starting to go a little bit banana. So you've
got fresh lavender, so this is a great respeed for it.
So into one pot, you've got two oranges that's been
cut in half and squeezed into a pot. Three lemons,

(01:08:38):
same deal, cut them in half, squeeze them in. I've
got two limes. Limes are still affordable and still abundant,
So two limes, cut them in half, popped there into
the same pot, along with two cups of just cold water.
I've got a cinnamon stick four star andise, a small
knob of fresh ginger. You can just leave the skin on,
just make sure it's clean cut and half.

Speaker 17 (01:08:56):
Pop that in.

Speaker 14 (01:08:58):
Tablespoon and molasses. That kind of gives you that rich
color color. Tablespoon of instant coffee, and then ten heads
of fresh lavender. That's the all important after burner. That's
the after flavor that you're going to get from this
cold and go oh, I can't quite pick that flavor.
It's going to be the lavender. Half a cup of
running honey and then one cup of brown sugar, so

(01:09:20):
you've got that heavily caramelized sugar going into there, Pile
the whole lot into that one pot, turn it on,
and then just bring it up to the ball. You
don't want to overcook this. You don't want to boil
it for two or three or even ten seconds, because
what will happen is you'll lose all those citrus tones
and you'll just you'll pick up the bitterness from the
rinds of the limes and the lemons. So just bring

(01:09:41):
it to the ball. Just when you see it starting
to just turn over, turn it off. Pop a pot
on top of it, or not a pot, like a plate,
just to weight the fruit down so it's actually sitting
inside the syrup. And then take your pot and just
allow it to cool down for ten to fifteen minutes
before you fire that into the fridge. Leave it, Leave
the pot and all in the fridge overnight, and what
happens is all just extract all the flavors out of

(01:10:04):
all that citrus and all that lavender. The next morning,
you're good to go. Take the plant off straight up
through a servoor, some through some muslin, and make sure
you squeeze out all those lemons, all those lines so
you've got the last of that juice coming out and
then that's your syrup.

Speaker 10 (01:10:18):
Good to go.

Speaker 14 (01:10:18):
So that's a cola syrup. And then when you want
to make cola, you just add one part of that
syrup to four parts of sparkling water and plenty of ice.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Sounds amazing. Thank you so much, Mike. You go and
enjoy your tenure anniversary. So if you take a walk
around that farm and just acknowledge what you've.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
Achieved, just look at what we still have to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Oh no, no, no, Thank you so much, Mike. Have
a great weekend. You can get that recipe from Good
from Scratch or Newstork ZDB dot co dot NZ food
Slash Sunday. You'll find all our interviews and things there.
And thank you very much for your feedback. I'm very
pleased that a lot of you enjoyed the Bill Bailey
interview and also someone textas they don't forget Janet Frame's

(01:10:59):
house in Oha Maru is something that should be acknowledged
as well. Yes, because I think it was the thirties,
wasn't it nineteen thirties? And I believe if I'm correct,
the house has been turned into sort of a little
bit of a library or a museum to her correct
me if I'm wrong, but you're right. That is absolutely
something else that Oh Maru has going for It looks

(01:11:21):
of fight. I thought they're still faffing around, aren't they.
It hasn't started. We thought it would be around ten thirty.
But you know, you gotta have a bit of a
build up to these things, don't you. Anyway, we will
let you know when that is underway. I of course
talking about Joe Parker against Wardley. Here it is thirteen
to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
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Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
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Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
Well that's time now here and O'Hara is us good morning,
good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
You got a good one for us today. I think
because we're at the time of the year I think
where a lot of us are just hanging in there
to get to Christmas. You know, we're all starting to
sort of feel the year and and aware of what
we need to tick off to get to the end
of the year. But also during the day it's quite
common and you know, I love a map parent for
us all to have that kind of mid afternoon or

(01:12:30):
late afternoon energy slump.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
Yeah, the energy slump is really common, especially at this
time of year when you're kind of coming to the
end of the year but not quite there, maybe counting
down till the end of the year, but getting that
dip after lunch and then just really struggling to be
productive in the afternoon hours. It's interesting the research on
this shows that most people are most productive between nine

(01:12:53):
and eleven, So right now we are acing it productivity,
full of energy, really good sustained attention peaking right now.
But then after lunch, commonly most people will get decline
as we go into the afternoon. But if you are
getting a decline to the point we actually can't focus
at work, that's a concern. So if you're getting really

(01:13:15):
fatigued and a big afternoon energy slump and you're wondering
why have you got an energy slump, there's usually a
number of factors that can contribute to that. So I
think it's about looking at why is your energy dropping
off in the afternoon, what is your sleep quality?

Speaker 8 (01:13:32):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Always looking at that first, because your Cicadian rhythm is
really important with energy, especially in the afternoon, So are
you're having any trouble getting to sleep, saying asleep, how
are you feeling when you wake up in the morning,
That's a good place to start with looking and your
energy through the day. Also stress, So if you've been
experiencing chronic stress through the air and maybe it's building
up at this time of year and feeling tired but wired,

(01:13:56):
that can make you also get a big drop off
in the afternoon. And maybe you've increased your coffee and
sugar intake to kind of try and get through the day.
That will also have a negative effect later in the day.
If you've had more cocaine than you're usually doing, more
sugar or carbohydrates through in the morning, you'll then get
a big dumping of energy. To keep steady steady energy

(01:14:17):
is what we're looking for, is trying to keep that
balance across the day. Also maybe checking into with your
doctor and saying if there is any other reasons why
you might be getting extra fatigue in the afternoon, whether
there's iron efficiency or anemia, or just saying if they're
all low test Sauceron is another one that makes you
get a big drop off of energy in the afternoon. Now,

(01:14:38):
if you are getting these big energy slumps things that
we can do. We're all fans of the afternoon nap,
which obviously doesn't work to sure.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
One yearn I know, we all work different, we all
do different shifts in ours and things like that. Not
everyone can have a little l afternoon. I might only
nap for ten fifty minutes twenty minutes max, I don't
have a big sleep. It's literally just given to the
eyes closing in Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
The ten to twenty minute naps are actually research shows
they make a massive difference in productivity and energy. So
if you do have the ability to do that in
your day, is have lunch and then have a little
lay down, and then you'll find you'll probably be more
productive for the afternoon.

Speaker 8 (01:15:16):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
I often have to work evenings as well, so that's
my moment to stop and I take a little break,
and that'll get me through at nine o'clock when I
might finish it. And it might not even be that
you're actually sleep, but even just having a brain break,
So even just closing your eyes, maybe sit and do
some breathing, or whether it's laying down and just listening
to some music with your eyes closed, that's actually going
to help to reboot your brain and your energy. I
often wonder whether I should go for a walk though,

(01:15:37):
or something like fresher and a bit of movement really
really helpful. So yeah, that's my next tip is getting outside.
Getting some fresh airs and sunlight as well is going
to help with your energy. And also having a nice
energizing workplace. So if you're getting only an afternoon slump
in the week days when you're at work, maybe look
at your office environment. Is it uplifting enough, is there

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enough natural light, windows, color? There's some actually some interesting
research on colors. If you're using colors like orange and
yellows and reds, they can be associated with picking up energy.
So maybe it's about looking at your workplace and how
you can bring in a little bit more energy into it.
Also movement and stretching, so maybe get up off your
desk and stretch out your legs, move around. Some also

(01:16:21):
more weird ways of picking up energy in the afternoon
is maybe getting yourself a little trampoline for your office
and that will help you get a little bit more energy.
Get the lymphatics rebounder out of the garage from the
eighties absolutely, or maybe a bit of a aromatherapy wheels.
They are also really helpful. So peppermint, citrus and eucalyptus
are great for alertness and energy as well. Erin, thank

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you so much. It is five to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Look. If you want one more, tip Erin said, have
a little dance session, just a dance break. Put some
music in your ears and have a little dance once
again if you're at work, that could be a little
bit awkward, but you could all do it, I suppose anyway.
I might be one of the very few New Zealanders
who doesn't watch the Chase, but I can't wait for
the New Zealand version hosted by the one and only
Paul Henry.

Speaker 6 (01:17:15):
Paul is with me next.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
We're gonna find out why he keeps coming out of retirement,
what kind of host he is going to be, and
whether he'd cut it as a contestant. I know I
certainly wouldn't. Paul Henry is up next.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
As well.

Speaker 9 (01:17:38):
Almost I only think about you all the time. I
almost never falls sep. Wish your new hue with me,
and I promise C called cleanly to go.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Almost Welcome to the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
Wiggles for the best selection of great reads used to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Coming up this hour on the Sunday Session, Joan tells
us about Reese Witherspoon and Harlan Coben's book collaboration. Yes,
they've written a book together. Meghan explains how the US
federal shutdown might affect travel through the region, and Elliott
Smith is going to give us a rundown on the
Joseph Parker fight which is underway. Finally underway. Round one,
pretty good, easy, pretty easy for Parker. Round two pack,

(01:18:43):
I've got a little bit of trouble there Wardley definitely
got a few punches and so we will keep you
up to speed on that throughout the.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Hour the Sunday Session.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
The Chase franchise, it's a global phenomenon, phenomenon, one of
the longest running game shows in the UK, with spinoff
franchises now all over the world and keeps love it
twenty twenty four figures reporting two out of three of
us watch the show, well watch the show in twenty
twenty four. Now, The Chase New Zealand is coming to

(01:19:22):
TV and Z in just over a week, and there
really was only one man to take on the job
of his host, The Chase his on We all know
that voice, don't we. That is Paul Henry. Good morning.

Speaker 10 (01:19:34):
It's always so lovely to be here with you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Francesca, bless you. You just can't stay away, and I
don't mean from this show. You've been living this kind
of semi retired life between America and New Zealand. We've
seen some lovely Instagram shots of trips on olive, but
then you just kind of keep popping back. We've got
the Chase, and then of course you're joining the board
of TV and Z. What keeps you coming back to

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the working world.

Speaker 10 (01:19:59):
Well, I was properly retired, because if people when you retire,
people say, oh, you're going to be able to give
it up, You're going to be up to get by.
And it was fantastic and I loved it. I didn't
miss anything. And then COVID happened, and so my life
of retirement, which largely involved traveling all the time, changed
because I was only prepared to do one managed isolation

(01:20:21):
a year, so I had to change the way I traveled.
And then someone offered me a job. And the other
thing was, of course I was for the first time
in my life, because you know how extraordinarily relevant I am.
For the first time in my life, I was officially
declared irrelevant by the government of a country, New Zealand,
and so I was locked in my house with the

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other irrelevant people. So when I was offered a chance
of relevance because you've got that exemption and you could travel,
I said yes. And as soon as you say yes,
work creeps in, it does it creeps in?

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
So I think it's been fifteen years since you left TVNZ.
What's it like being back in the building.

Speaker 10 (01:21:00):
It's a bit. It is a bit. The building's changed
a bit. The broadcast floor has not changed as much,
but even that's changed a bit. And you know, after
fifteen years you sort of forget some things, but it's
sort of done. There is an aspect of home about it,
you know. I started my broadcasting career in New Zealand. No,
not my broadcasting, I said, of my television career in

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New Zealand with TV and Z. But that was an
avalon in Wellington. But in fact they may have even
been before this building up in Auckland was built. God,
it may have been. That's how old I am. And
so it does sort of feel a bit like coming home.
Do you know what I've gotten here?

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Well, an app?

Speaker 10 (01:21:40):
He says, holding up. Oh, don't talk to me about apps.
I hate I heard bloody apps. Look what I've got.
You haven't, No, I know, I know. Don't even say
out loud that I'm holding up a gold card. I've
got my own gold card. But like I say, don't
mention it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
You don't look like you deserve that gold cart.

Speaker 10 (01:22:00):
Oh that's a lovely thing to say.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
But funny you should mention that because this we're about
to talk about the chase. But that isn't the first
quiz show you did. You did one in nineteen eighty seven,
didn't you. Every Second Counts, And that was your TV
hosting deboot.

Speaker 10 (01:22:14):
Yeah, yeah, it was in New Zealand. Yeah, Every Second Counts.
And that was a game show where we gave out.
It had lots of flashing lights. And that sounds like
a silly thing to say. In a way, it sounds well,
of course it did. But there were no plasma screens
in those days, and people didn't have a lot of

(01:22:35):
flashing lights on television, and we had a lot of
flashing lights. There were sixty people on the crew and
we could barely make the program work. It was what
we were doing is punching way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Up a manual kind of used to.

Speaker 10 (01:22:48):
Flash things, and doors would be pulled open like on
the old Starship Enterprise, you know, where you know there
were egg carton stuck on the wall and people standing
on either side to make the automatic doors open and close.
So it was it was real challenge. We were punching
above our way. That was before Sale of the Century.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
You're just getting that in there, just say, we're saying.

Speaker 10 (01:23:09):
That just because people sort of remember Sale.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Of the Century.

Speaker 10 (01:23:12):
It was on every night of the week, whereas every
Second Council sort of once a week, right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
And of course The Chase is a slightly different beast
because this is the biggest game show franchise in the world.
And I heard you say two out of three New
Zealanders watch The Chase in twenty twenty four. I mean,
is it quite daunting taking on a series like that.

Speaker 10 (01:23:30):
It's very daunting, particularly in a country like New Zealand,
because the show is already so popular in New Zealand.
But what's really popular is the British Chase, and we
are not doing a British Chase. We're doing the New
Zealand Chase, the Chase in New Zealand, and so people
who love it, and so many people love it because

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it's a great show, it's a fantastic format and Bradley's fantastic,
but what they love is the British Chase. So the
challenge for me the daunting thing because I'm not usually
daunted by television because what's the worst thing that could happen.
No one's going to die if I'm terrible at it,
because it's not a plane. The worst thing. The thing

(01:24:14):
I worry about is that people will be watching that
they won't be able to articulate fully. Oh there's something
about it. I don't know, it's a bit different. Well,
it is a bit different because this is the Chase
in New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (01:24:24):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:24:24):
It's that whole thing when something's uber popular and you're
doing a version of it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
But that's I think that's the best way to go
about it, right. You can't you can't say I'm going
to I'm going to try and be Bradley that already exists.

Speaker 10 (01:24:38):
That's right, So how did this is the New Zealand
One and that, of course is the golden thing about it. Yes,
you know this is a New Zealand version of the
show All.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
New Zealand Contestants yep shot in Australia though, right, okay,
how many episodes?

Speaker 10 (01:24:51):
There are four episodes, so we'll be doing those specials, Yes,
in November. So the first one's on November third, and
then every Monday night after that for four Mondays.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Oh fun, is not that much though, Paul, what did
you go for's Malima? And then I need to break.

Speaker 10 (01:25:04):
Yeah, I said, how much you're paying with for this?
Well you'll get four?

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
No.

Speaker 10 (01:25:09):
I think the thing is it's a special and at
this stage, and the reason we did in Australia is
that there is a huge ITV crew in Australia. The
studio is all set up with enormous set. I mean
you see when you see the program how big the
set is. But when you actually walk in, talking of daunting,
when you walk in and you've got a crew of
I don't know sixty seventy people or something that have

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been making the Australian One for the last two weeks
making a series of the Australian one for the last
two weeks, and then all of a sudden, you're there
from New Zealand. They don't know you, and what are
we doing this for? A Why haven't we finished them all?

Speaker 22 (01:25:42):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:25:42):
No, there's four more to do. No there is no
I've locked on that. No four for New Zealand. Oh
who's this guy?

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
The New Zealanders have just popped in to record.

Speaker 10 (01:25:50):
A few around, you know, and you think, oh, you know,
this is the first time I've done this thing, and
here's a well oiled machine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
But you made the traits your own and so how
did you going into the chase?

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Go?

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Okay? So how do I just make this my own?

Speaker 10 (01:26:05):
Yeah? I think the okay. One advantage I have is that,
in some ways, perhaps personality was I am a little
like Bradley. You know, both of us have terrible posture,
so we lean and we use the set much more
because I've watched some of the other international versions of it,
and no one leans like Bradley. You know, he almost

(01:26:26):
collapses onto the set, which is nice because it needs
to feel you know, it's an hour of your time
in your home. It should feel, you know, like a
family member in a sense, particularly because one of the
joys with the program is you literally do play at home.
I mean you've now seen it because you are. I
think you are the last New Zealander to have seen

(01:26:46):
the chase, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
You're the I'm a busy person. I just have missed
managed to miss this hugely successful global phenomenon. But I
did watch a couple of episodes in preparation to come
and talk to you, so I knew what I was
sort of talking about. And here's the thing about quizzes, right,
I did say it home and I nailed it, and
I was like, this is great. But I know for
a fact, the minute I would step onto that TV

(01:27:10):
set and you asked me the questions in front of cameras,
I wouldn't. I'd probably get one out of ten questions.

Speaker 10 (01:27:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
No, I think that environment, I think is so hard
to give for better than that.

Speaker 10 (01:27:21):
Exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
I did a quiz show once and I was on
it with Jason Gunn, who sat next to me, hitting
that buzzer before the person had even finished the almost
got I walked out halfway through. There's no point me
being here. I was terrible. No, I take a I can't.
I can't think in a stressful situation that I'm quite smart,
you know, like you Oh so you're answering the question. No, no, no,
I'm quite smart. I know a lot of things, but

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I'm not quick. Oh okay, And so the problem if
I was a contestant on the show, my problem would
be I'd be forever in my head saying yeah, I
knew that, Yeah I knew that, because I'm just not quack. No,
that's my problem. I just need I but I don't
feel like you have that moment to think about it.
So then you get into it, then you get into
a spiral and you're just blurting out anything and everything.

Speaker 10 (01:28:02):
A bit stupid because you know you don't know that answer,
so you can say passed straight away. But when smart,
you know you do just let me and before you
know it, times gone.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Because there I think that when you watch people when
they're they're they're going against the chaser and you get
the opportunity, the multi choice opportunity, that's where I think
I could you know you need to you might not
know the answer, but you might excuse me, You've got
to be smart enough to kind of narrow it down.

Speaker 10 (01:28:32):
Clue at least every second question pretty strong clue in it.
If you're reasonably intelligent, you can.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Pick up on did any of the kiwis who turn
up any of them happen to be like professional quizzes.
Did you notice that there were some contestants and you
thought that they've turned up and you do this there
quite often.

Speaker 10 (01:28:49):
No, I didn't really think that, but I will say
there was a huge difference between the ones that were
almost paralyzed with nerves. You know, when they're they're and
they come up to do the the initial cash and
they're so so nervous, and I can see why. And
it's no point saying, oh, you don't need to be nervous,

(01:29:10):
because actually.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
It's in their breaking situation.

Speaker 10 (01:29:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to give you one minute
and the world is going to see you fail.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
There's a good reason to be then try and well.

Speaker 10 (01:29:23):
You know, you always play it when they're really really nervous. Yeah,
there's nothing better than saying it looks like you're paralyzed
with fear. And it always makes people who are nervous
smile a bit when you catch them out like that.
But yeah, and you'll see with some of the contestants
they are even once they're at the table, because that,
as you say, is much easier when you're actually playing

(01:29:43):
the chase with the chaser. It is much easier because
for a start, you know one of those three answers
is actually correct. The ones I like, The questions I
love are the ones that you you almost like, how
far is it from this place to this place? Or
you know which of these places is closest to this place,
which really because it's quite a challenge because you can

(01:30:05):
go into your head and think, so I know all
of those places, but actually the world is round, which
one is closer. I love questions like that, So.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
You enjoyed the whole process, keen to go back and
do more?

Speaker 10 (01:30:16):
Yes, you know, it's one of those things. And quite
often this is the case with me. In fact, you've
asked me questions like this before. I love having done it,
but doing it is actually quite quite hard work, Like
it's frantically hard. And as we've already said, I am
not a young man, and it just it is quite

(01:30:36):
hard to do. And I really care about doing things well,
so I put myself under a lot of pressure to
do it well, but it's a wonderful thing to have done.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
At least you're consistent, Paul in your approach to these things. Absolutely,
But I think you've got a little bit of never
say never. I mean, I think I think you should
ever say never.

Speaker 10 (01:30:54):
You know, no, I agree. I wouldn't take it as
far as the yes man. Did you like that movie?
Did you see that with Jim Carrey? In fact, there's
a book. I started to read the book and then
I thought, this guy's an idiot. But that the whole
thing where you practice actually saying yes to everything? Yeah,
and the guy that actually in fact, I think I
interviewed the guy that wrote the book who started doing it.

(01:31:14):
He had a breakup or something in his life with
the shambles, and the first thing that happened is someone
knocked on his door selling double clothing and you had
to say yes. But it's worth saying yes to things.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
It is. It is okay, we shouldn't be we shouldn't
not do things because we're all afraid. It's important, especially
as we age, Paul, isn't it to keep that brain.

Speaker 10 (01:31:33):
Keeps that left right side of the brain moving along?

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Hey, are you still spending your time between New Zealand
and America. Yes, I suppose the grandchildren are keeping you
drawn back to New Zealand though, do you know?

Speaker 10 (01:31:46):
Young two of the twins are won in a bit
and extraordinarily and I'm not sure how my daughter managed this,
but she's almost due with her next child. What is
that about? I mean, it must have been so easy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
She's a brave woman.

Speaker 10 (01:32:04):
I agree, and she's really but it is an extraordinary thing.
You've got to be proud, although there's you know, you
bring her into question when she's made that decision. But yes,
so I'm going to have three grandchildren in New Zealand soon.
The twins are just over won. And then I've got
two grandchildren in Australia in Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Oh fantastic.

Speaker 10 (01:32:24):
Right, It's been worthwhile see and on top of that
a game show.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
And a game show. How are you feeling about New
Zealand last year? I think it was June last year
you said that we're a bit broken and deepen the shit?
Are you feeling better about it now? Are we on
the road to recovery? Do you think?

Speaker 10 (01:32:38):
I wish I could say we were? You know what's
happened and you're quoting from a speech that I made,
and in that speech, I said, the people that are
in charge now will maybe nudge the ship in the
right direction, but they won't turn it in the right direction.
And I think that's exactly what's happened, and time time

(01:33:00):
to fix this country is slipping away.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
General consensus seems to be it's really eighteen twelve to
eighteen months before maybe we feel like we're turning. Would
you agree with that if you talk to the business.

Speaker 10 (01:33:13):
It because because of course you don't turn, the whole
country doesn't turn in unis so even even from a
commercial point of view, some aspects of the country turn
more quickly than other aspects. I think, for instance, and
it's very early days, but I think it's possible a
housing market has just taken a little nudge. I hate
that term green shoots, but I'm going to use it.
There are some they're beginning to show very early days,

(01:33:36):
whereas there there are other parts of the economy which
are showing no signs of improvement at all. It's really
quite worrying, do you know. Again, it comes back to
the point that I made during COVID. You know, all
that money that we borrowed, we spent, We didn't invest.
What positive things in this country have we got to

(01:33:56):
show for what sixty plus billion dollars that we borrowed.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Like a game show, some for you, some for you
some year ago. Let's flickin it out there.

Speaker 10 (01:34:05):
But getting back to the chase quickly, because I was
basically I can tell from you've got that look about
you what I always have when I know an interview
should have ended ten minutes ago. One of the great
things is I don't think people have a huge expectation
they're going to win money when they go on the Chase.
You know, most people won't and they know it. You know,
it's a very hard game to walk away with money from.

(01:34:25):
But we had thousands of people, thousands of New Zealanders
in like a week respond to about two ads for
contestants because there's something about the challenge, there's something about
the game that people want to be part of.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
So excited that you were back on our television screens
on the Chase, and as always, it's a pleasure to
have you on the studio. Thank you so much.

Speaker 10 (01:34:46):
I'll see you when something else happens.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Okay, Francesca, See that was the one and only Paul Henry.
Here's the host of the Chase in New Zealand. The
first show is seven thirty pm Monday, the third of
November on TV and Z one and TV in Z Plus.
And we have just got to the end of the
sixth round in the Parker Wardley fight. It looks slight.
It's been another tough round to score, but it looks

(01:35:10):
like Parker is a little bit more back in control
of this fight. More on this shortly. It's twenty four
past eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
The School from the track, fields and the Court on
your home of sport, Weekend Sport with Jason Vine News
Talks in.

Speaker 6 (01:35:24):
B an elongated version of Weekend Sport eleven minutes past eleven.
All Blacks twenty six Island thirteen four tries to one.
Three of those tries after the sixty minute mark, feed.

Speaker 23 (01:35:36):
By roy Guard takes it away. He tummy through, he
goes through.

Speaker 6 (01:35:40):
One, he goes through day, he does to day. It's
sill then for the All Blacks.

Speaker 10 (01:35:46):
Hever Royguard.

Speaker 6 (01:35:48):
Yeah, what a performance from cam Royguard. Just one of
many impressive All Blacks today. Three straight wins over Ireland
for the All Blacks for the first time since twenty thirteen.
Match commentator and rugby editor Elliot Smithers with us for
a quick recap after the final whistle in Chicago. Elliot,
have we just seen the best twenty minute of rugby
and the Scott Robertson era.

Speaker 5 (01:36:09):
That's a very good question.

Speaker 23 (01:36:10):
Piney had him thought of it like that, But I
would have to agree with the game in the balance
at thirteen seven down to do what they did in
that last twenty minutes, where the game went from as
it said, being in the balance and the All Blacks
playing from behind to winning by the margin that they did,
and but for a four pass could have even added
a little bit more icing to a pretty good cake

(01:36:32):
here in Chicago.

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
That was the All Blacks.

Speaker 23 (01:36:34):
Yeah, I would agree with you. That was the All
Blacks best twenty minutes under Scott Robertson and it was
the twenty minutes they needed to deliver and they did
and that'll hold them in good stead. You know that
there are big challenges to come. Scotland's will be tough
next week at Murrayfield. England at twicked him very good
against Australia today and Wales. We knows with what you
get from the Welsh. But that'll hold them a good

(01:36:54):
stead for the next three weeks. I think that performance
absolutely right.

Speaker 6 (01:36:57):
So what did you see from the All Blacks? And
they had period from minute sixty two when to Mighty
William was burrowed over for the try right through to
the in where as you say, but for a four
pass it could have been an even bigger school line.
What did they do particularly well in that twenty minute period.

Speaker 23 (01:37:13):
I think they just didn't panic. There were signs of
panicking and there were signs where a little bit of
backchat was coming through, and I wonder what was set
under the post when they went thirteen to seven down
from a kicker in front that went from being thirty
two meters out to being twenty two meters out and
it felt like Ireland were applying some real school board
pressure at that point. I wonder what was set under

(01:37:33):
the sticks at that point, because after that the backchat stopped.
They made a couple of changes the All Blacks to
their personnel. Damien McKenzie came on, but things flowed a
little bit more smoothly and they got the benefits of
putting that pressure on the Irish line out that they've
been doing all game and worked a real treat and
also the Irish drum where that came to the floor.

(01:37:53):
They just trusted their game inside that final twenty minutes
were able to play in the right areas of the park,
the red zone, which they weren't really able to do
between minutes forty to sixty and the latter part of
the game. They were able to do so and put
real fatigue on the Irish in that back quarter of
the game.

Speaker 6 (01:38:11):
You spoke during commentary in glowing terms about the young
locking pair Fabian Holand. We heard you chat to him
before the game, and as you said, he's played every
test of the year, which is quite the workload for
somebody in their first international season, alongside Josh Lord who's
hardly played for the All Blacks yes year. You know,
what did you seem from that locking partnership in the

(01:38:32):
absence of Scott Barrett Patrick Tuo to Pulvai one hundred percent?

Speaker 23 (01:38:37):
I thought there was a very impressive afternoon from those
two that could be the making of both of them now.
Fabian Holand has had some good test matches so far
in his career, even in the opening ten matches, but
a waterman of the match today, was forced to be
the senior man in the lineout and only went into
the game. I mean, he's younger than Josh Lord and
he's only played one more Test and he's only been

(01:38:59):
around this year, but he felt like he took on
the senior mantle and then Josh Lord came to the
party as well, and Josh Lord dar I say it,
and I mean this with the greatest respect, has been
somewhat of an enigma in New Zealand rugby since he
was called it in twenty twenty one, played in Washington
against the United States. Has had a lot of injuries,
but also has had to fight his time as the

(01:39:21):
fourth or fifth choice lock in this aw Blacks environment
and sometimes not even in the starting locking role for
the Chiefs. But it could well be coming of age
performance for both of them, but especially josh Lord today
he picked off a lot of the Irish ball. He
was forced to play big minutes that he wasn't expecting,
and I thought it was an excellent performance from someone

(01:39:41):
like Josh Lord, who you know you mentioned those players out.
It certainly just adds to the depth of what the
All Blacks have got at lock in terms of that position,
as there was the sound effects, there are the fireworks
going off as they lift the trophy of the Gallagher Cup,
which was on the line in this game.

Speaker 6 (01:39:56):
All right, just a couple more, I know you need
to get to post match responsibilities, less to fighting Anuku
coming off the bench earlier than expected into midfield with
Jordy Barrett's injury. He added quite a bit, Elliott, what
did you make of it?

Speaker 23 (01:40:08):
Yeah, I was impressed by what he was able to do.
Set up the try that ended with Ardisavia in the
right wing corner with a powerful running game, nice clean
pair of heels, and just seems to break the advantage
line more often than not when he has the ball
in hand. Intends to glide through with his power but
also his easy carrying, so it's kind of deceptive in

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a way, and he's a hard carrier, but he also
makes it look rather effortless. So I was very impressed
by what he added. I'm not sure that the All
Blacks would look to roll out of fighting Anooku and
to pay a combination every week, but from what he
was able to do coming in, you know, with a
little note similar to Josh Lord and playing big minutes.
I was very impressed by what he added to the midfield,

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and it was a game where they had to overcome
those challenges Scott Barrett going off and also Jordi Barrett
going off. As you mentioned, they had to reach jig things,
but they finished with you know, the wet sale, despite
the fact that some of those players have been out
there for for some pretty heavy minutes.

Speaker 6 (01:41:08):
And without wanting to read the mind of the Irish camp,
what do you think their reaction will be to the
yellow card upgraded to red for Tiger Burn after just
two minutes.

Speaker 23 (01:41:19):
I think they'll be excuse me, quite frustrated by it,
and we're in commentary. Probably didn't think it was as
a red card, surprised it was upgraded to read on replay.
I think they'll be frustrated by that, and I think
they had good cause for argument that it was a
full pass and therefore that should mitigate out the red card.

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So I think they'll be frustrated by it, and it's
a troubling one for Ireland because it's hard to get
those overturned at the judiciary.

Speaker 5 (01:41:47):
They've got Japan to.

Speaker 23 (01:41:49):
Calm, They've got Australia as well in the coming weeks
and another test that to round out the calendar in
that week four of this block of test matches, so
they could face now being without Tiger Burne, who is
their premier lot for the rest of this window, so
they'll be frustrated, would be my diticipation of that and
having to have him sit on the sideline for the

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rest of the game.

Speaker 6 (01:42:10):
Fantastic callers always from you with Gregor Paul alongside Elliott.
Thanks indeed off to the postmatch I know you'll be
working a few more hours yet. We'll look forward to
all the reaction coming from the All Blacks camp, but
thanks for joining us after the final whistle. Pleasure Piney
Elliot Smith rugby editor, match commentator live from Soldier Field
in Chicago, where a second half blitz has powered the

(01:42:31):
All Blacks to a twenty six thirteen win over Ireland.
They were down ten to seven at halftime, but three
tries in the last twenty minutes helped to start their
Grand Slam tour with an emphatic win that it has
unfortunately been at a bit of a cost and mainly
to the Barrett brothers Scott and Jordie both leaving the

(01:42:53):
field injured in the first half and Bowden Barrett received
a high shot in the second minute. He played on,
got another very heavy tackle from Gary Ringrose in the
second but still managed to complete the eighty minutes. But yeah,
we wait to see about the injuries to Scott and
Jordi Barrett and what the future prospects for those two

(01:43:16):
are for the rest of the tour. We are here
until three o'clock. This is weekend sport. It normally starts
at midday, but with the rugby just having finished, we
thought we'd get underway early. Your chance to get your
thoughts across. We'll have all sorts of postmatch reaction a
member of the All Blacks coaching staff to join us

(01:43:36):
in the next little while. We'll also get an Irish
few lots of postmatch audio to play for you as well.
But it's your reaction I'm really interested in eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. The lines tend to fill up
after midday, so if you want to get your point across,
now might be the time to do it. Twenty past
eleven o eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you
would prefer to correspond by text, you can do that

(01:43:59):
on nine two nine two. Let's talk some rugby. What
did you see? What did you hear? And was that
the bet twenty minutes that you have seen from a
Scott Robertson coached All Blacks side. For me, it was
at the sixty minute mark, I must confess I wondered
whether they would have the wherewithal to come back. But

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it's the All Blacks that we used to adore, the
All Blacks that came over the top of teams in
the last twenty minutes and then ran away with games
at the end a thirteen point winning margin, having been
down by six with the hour ticking across. Oh eight,
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number. It's

(01:44:42):
good to go in early. Hello, Henry tay Jesse.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
Now you man very good, Henry, Yeah, he is good.

Speaker 21 (01:44:48):
Now good victory, Oh terrific.

Speaker 6 (01:44:51):
I look, I it was a funny old game, and
we'll unpack it over the next few hours or so.
But the last twenty minutes, that's that's the lasting impression
of that game is just the way that the All
Blacks played from minutes sixty onwards. For me, Henry, yeah, yeah,
And you know there were some great performances the you know,
Fabian Holland and Luku.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
But you know, Jason, see, I.

Speaker 10 (01:45:15):
Think cam Royguard is the glue of that teammate.

Speaker 16 (01:45:18):
He you know, he just does things that you know,
like Dan Carter or Richie.

Speaker 12 (01:45:23):
McCall would do.

Speaker 6 (01:45:25):
Generational player Henry for me and you know the best.
But about it. They've worked it out and they're not
taking him off where they sometimes take half backs off.
Almost as a matter of course, at around the sixty
minute mark, came Roy Guard's an eighty minute player for me.
And yes, I know you've got to you know, listen
to the the you know, the the GPS and say, okay,

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we's had his minutes or whatever. But look at they're
taking came Roy got off. He wouldn't have gone over
trying the seventy seventh minute or whatever it was. The
guy's got an unbelievable engine and an ability deep into
games to impact games. Henry, I think you've picked up
on a really good point. They mate. I think he is.
He is fast becoming the glue in this side. It
is and I think, you know, if any think, I

(01:46:08):
think it's going to be very hard for Billy Proctor
to get theck in. Yeah, Henry, the only thing that
might play in Billy's favor is whether or not Jordy
Barrett has a serious injury or not. I know Billy
is a thirteen not a twelve, but quintu Pie are
very very capable in the second five Jersey, so who
knows made it? Could be a Quintupia Billy Proctor midfield

(01:46:32):
lester fating Aku. I think was very good when he
came on today, so maybe he gets a run from
the start and the thirteen jumper. Good to have options though, mate.
Isn't it good to hear from you? Henry eleven twenty three,
Jamie Chris please, Oh, I've got to get a breakaway
one spear line there? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
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Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
They'd be we got put the grouts in the middle
of the park.

Speaker 20 (01:46:59):
They put numbers on the right hand touch sign side
Ai Sapia in a light one quarters fight for the
oars last Yeah, the first of four tries for the
All Blacks today, that one in the first half from
Ardie Savia taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty.

Speaker 12 (01:47:14):
Hi Jamie, great, pointy, how are you going?

Speaker 10 (01:47:17):
Very good?

Speaker 12 (01:47:17):
Jamie, Yeah, yeah, yeah, the first degree. That first half
was a real painful watch, I guess in even the
first fifteen to twenty minutes in the second half. But
I think, yeah, just a good guess. The positive to
take out of it was, you know, just that just
the bench was previously a weakness of this team, but

(01:47:40):
now it's sort of like starting to, you know, starting
to get a bit better. You know, we're starting to
finishing games stronger.

Speaker 6 (01:47:47):
I think also, Jamie, the fact that a couple of
the guys on the bench, Leicsterfying a Nuoku and Josh
Lord had to come on well before they would have
expected to under normal circumstances because of the injuries to
Scott Barrett and Jordi Barrett. And I think, you know,
Josh Lord, he's hardly played for the All Blacks. That
was only his second test of the year. He came
off the bench in one a series against Arjie teen out.
I think a lot of people thought Sam Dowry might

(01:48:09):
get the nod for that lock and cover. I thought
he was really good Josh Lord with Barbie and Holland.
I mean, he just he looks like he looks like
an eighty ninety test all black to me.

Speaker 12 (01:48:17):
Holland, Yeah, definitely, and agree with the Yeah he will be, Yeah,
you'd be, he would be. But yeah, getting quick about
the ninety one hundred test. Let's make I reckon And
also that came regard, you know, just agree with that
previous Carter. I think it's just like one of those

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once in a generation players. Yeah, it could be group
Tommy finishes. You know, it could be like you're definitely
an all time grade or something. Ain't with the loss
of Dan Carter and all that.

Speaker 6 (01:48:50):
Yeah, Jamie, how concerned you reckon? We should be about
the first hour or the first sixty five minutes up
until to mighty Williams scored that try that that took
the all backs ahead, because you're I was kind of
like pacing a little bit. I was thinking, Man, I
can see where this is going. Ireland were squeezing us.
They do it very well. They're six Nations team. They
tend to trunk it up and trunk it up and

(01:49:11):
force eras will discipline, kick their pen, release that sort
of thing. It'll be a work on obviously for the
All Blacks. But do you think it's something they need
to be concerned about.

Speaker 12 (01:49:20):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:49:21):
I mean.

Speaker 12 (01:49:23):
It's just like they're just like loads of eras on
both sides obviously, and obviously that with some of the stoppagers,
the probably the the rest and let.

Speaker 8 (01:49:33):
The game go and all that.

Speaker 12 (01:49:34):
But yeah, I mean, yes, yes, definitely, definitely considerable. It
would definitely like to see see a bit more from
the Blacks rather than just yeah, they odd happened now
here and there, and it's being prepleent throughout obviously mass
Wain so far, you know, we we put together some

(01:49:54):
good minutes of Rabia times and but then we can
be pretty average. So so yeah, I mean I think
that's for the Hopefully they'll improve that over the next
three weeks.

Speaker 6 (01:50:04):
Yeah, indeed, Jamie, good point, mate. And look, I don't
think the All Blacks will let the last twenty minutes
paper over what happened in the first sixty. You know,
they'll freely admit, you know, what's seven points in an hour.
That's not something that they'll be happy with. At all,
so you know they'll be addressing it. They will be.
I'm sure delighted with what happened after the sixty minute

(01:50:26):
mark and the fact that they were able to run
over the top of an Irish side, which to me
looked a little underdone, I have to say. And we
spoke about this on the show yesterday. Justin Marshall, you know,
made the point that they haven't played together the top
Irish side since March, so there's always going to be
a bit of disconnect when you come back together. The
flip side of that is there's also an energy and

(01:50:46):
an enthusiasm and a freshness when you haven't played for
a while. But it just looked to me as though
they ran out of gas in the last twenty or
maybe that was the All Blacks just running over the
top of them like the great All Black sides used
to do. Thanks Jamie today, Chris.

Speaker 16 (01:51:02):
Yeah, mate, you are bothering on what I was going
to suggest, which was the first sixty odd minutes of
the test, we were absorbing quite a lot and it
was a Titanic battle and the game was still close,
and like you just said, you know, we pushed them
and then all of a sudden you know, we just

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bring into action. That was probably one of my favorite
tests I watched this year out of out of all
of them, because there was a time in this game
where I was going, no, this is looking a little
bit rocky, but the guys just stay calm and they delivered.
And what he previous coopers have said the bench added
value and that's what we really really want to see

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going forward.

Speaker 6 (01:51:45):
Oh absolutely, And that's the reason players have picked on
the bench, isn't it, you know, without without stating the
obvious too much, is you want them to impact the
game when they come on, and more often than not,
just the second half his injuries happen and players have
to come on. And like I said, I think Josh
Lord did a great job off the bench and leicsterfying
and look, I think took us chance when he came
on in the centers as well. But guys, like I

(01:52:05):
thought he was terrific when he came off the bench
to Mighty Williams. Goodness me, he adds so much to
scrums in the back end of matches. So yeah, like
I say, we've talked a lot with sort of misty
eyes about the way the all Blacks used to beat
teams from the hour mark on woods and we've got
another demonstration this morning which I did very much.

Speaker 16 (01:52:25):
Enjoy absolutely, And yeah, I'll even chocking Daman mackenzie. Not
not a favorite of mine over the years, but he
just you know, he's a sneaky little fella and value
as well. So as all these guys the falling into place.
I can see this team from where it was a
year ago to where it is now much better.

Speaker 6 (01:52:48):
Well, that's all we can ask for, Chris, is improvement development.
You know, here we are now, we're approaching the midway
point of the World Cup cycle. You know, in two
years from now, I think the World Cup Final will
have been played. So in two years from now, hopefully
we're talking about an all Black side that over that
four year cycle has showed constant improvement and is able to,

(01:53:08):
you know, to continue to develop. And look, while we
can talk about the sixty minutes, yes we can, and
we should. We shouldn't ignore what happened between minute nought
and sixty. But then you say to yourself, okay, well
we did have to soak up a lot of pressure
from Ireland. We gave away a couple of silly penalties
in and around the sort of the forty eight to
fifty minute mark, and the Irish kicked one of them

(01:53:31):
and missed another. But there was just that little shred
of doubt when that happened. I thought, are we going
to succumb to these, you know, to the tactics that
we expect from Ireland and from all the Six Nations teams.
They truck it up. They soak up, you know, all
the defense that you can throw at them. They cause frustration,
they build pressure, ill discipline happens, or they can you know,

(01:53:55):
make good territory and you know, but you probably have
to give it, well you do. You have to give
it to the All Blacks. They soaked up a lot
of that pressure. They soaked up a lot of it.
Let's not let the last twenty minutes paper over what
happened in the first sixty. The first sixty wasn't a disaster.
But there'll be work ons in there, and be interested

(01:54:17):
to hear what they are when we chat to a
member of the coaching staff. But let's appreciate the last
twenty minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:54:24):
Surely we have to.

Speaker 6 (01:54:27):
We're shown on the last twenty says this text plenty
of work to do around silly mistakes in the first hour.
Gile Piney says this one definitely not the best twenty
minutes of rugby by the All Blacks under Scott Robertson.
It was betted by any twenty minute period at Eden
Park against South Africa. I expected a high tempo, cohesive
performance and I was disappointed with what I saw. Yes,

(01:54:48):
we were slowed down at the breakdown by the Irish defense.
I predict this will be the norm for the next
three games. We need to solve it. Cam Roy guard
was slow at Claire and Rucks and didn't want to
test the defense until late in the match. Not as
natural game. Yes, I'll win. This text goes on to
say from Aiden, but not the next step I expected
by the All Blacks follow in a high quality rugby championship.

(01:55:08):
Not sure I'll be getting up early for the next
three games. I will be aided, I will be and
I reckon, you will be. I reckon You'll be up
and about Alex Himate Oh.

Speaker 22 (01:55:21):
You got Jason. Yes, definitely pretty exciting last twenty as
glad to be All Lex supporter again. First half was
pretty frustrating, so sometimes think about you know, with his
sort of American people going to watch the game the
first first time, you know, and if they're sort of

(01:55:41):
sitting in the stadium going what's going on?

Speaker 6 (01:55:46):
But yeah, just a couple of points, Alex, just before
you make those points, Just before you make those points,
you make a very valid point just there. Because it
took twenty minutes to get to the eleventh minute of
the game, you know, I know, And yeah, for some reason,
for some reason, the big screen wasn't working for the
TMO replays. But there were stoppages and even when they

(01:56:06):
you know, and I know the big screen issue was
part of this, but it took them about five or
six minutes to work out that there was a red
a yellow card for Tiger burn, and then there was
an injury break and all that sort of thing. But
you're right, if you turned up for the first time
and you'd been sold this exciting rugby union and after
twenty minutes you look up at the clock and thought,
we've only had eleven minutes and I haven't really seen much,

(01:56:28):
you'd be wondering, wouldn't you. You would be wondering. It
must be it's a it's a hard sell to a
new fan anyway, go on.

Speaker 8 (01:56:34):
Well you had to know.

Speaker 22 (01:56:35):
I mean, I guess they used to have a lot
of stoppages in American football. But yeah, it's that's sort
of you know that yellow card it was, well it
was flavor gaster that upgraded to a red. Imagine the
Irish feeling pretty pretty hard done by there. But but
they weathered that pretty well away.

Speaker 12 (01:56:56):
I don't know what.

Speaker 6 (01:56:56):
I don't know what Tiger burn is supposed to do
in that situation, Alex, what is he supposed to do? Yeah,
Bote and beartt doesn't even expect to get the ball
for starters. I know that it's not tig Burn's issue,
but Bear it's got the ball and go, I've got
the ball and then you just there's literally a split
second before he runs into Tiger Burne. And I know
people say he should wrap his arms, he should be lower.
He's got a split second to do that. I defy

(01:57:19):
anyone to do that.

Speaker 22 (01:57:20):
It's your human you're human reaction. You know, the first
thing you're going to do is given, given that amount
of time, brace yourself, I guess, and if you're upright,
there's nothing nothing you can do. But it's yeah, pretty
rough but fortunately fell on outside today. But yeah, the
other thing, i'd obviously it was awesome, real so I

(01:57:41):
thank that only only sort of thing I get nervous
about when they when they go to America, and I
know where they go there. You know, got the World
carp and it's obviously trying to promote the game there,
but just the astro cafe. We always see a couple
of pretty severe injuries when they're.

Speaker 14 (01:57:55):
Playing on it.

Speaker 22 (01:57:55):
And I don't know astra turf is used around the
world a lot more, but I guess it's just not
the same questioning you get on the grass. I think
it was that was there Iris stand that Nathan Harris
but his knee or.

Speaker 6 (01:58:05):
Something real bad.

Speaker 22 (01:58:06):
And the last time we were there, I know there
was a couple of pretty bad ones. But hopefully hopefully
Jordie Hall's up all right. And who's the other one.
I don't think his brother's injury was due to due
to the AstroTurf as such, but so maybe there's just the.

Speaker 6 (01:58:22):
One that But any thoughts on that it's that AstroTurf.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
I thought it was grass.

Speaker 12 (01:58:29):
Maybe it is.

Speaker 22 (01:58:30):
Maybe I just assumed, Yeah, I think.

Speaker 12 (01:58:34):
Grass. Don't they all right?

Speaker 6 (01:58:36):
Mate, Yeah, it didn't look like it didn't look like grass.
It didn't look like grass as we're used to it, Alex,
I can see, you know, and it looked a little
bit patchy, and that I thought it was a bit patchy.
But no, well I'll check that out. We'll get absolute confirmation.
But the other thing, the other thing about the other
thing about American Yeah, I think about American grounds, is
there narrow in the end goal?

Speaker 19 (01:58:55):
Here?

Speaker 6 (01:58:55):
Is only about a meter?

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
Did you see that?

Speaker 6 (01:58:57):
The end goals are so small?

Speaker 22 (01:59:00):
But when you saw footage of the reserves standing there,
there was actually another there's not a five meters there.
They could have of like made into a scene. I
just you know, there's only so far they want to go.
But yeah, yeah, anyway, No, it was a very exciting game,
and looking forward to the rest of the all the
players stood up. There's no one who had a bad game,
but one one gy I'll mentioned, and he's not a
favorite player of one. But I thought the group actually

(01:59:23):
played pretty well, held on to the ball and hit
some good runs. But all the handling that first try
of addies, you know, all the boards out there putting
it through the hands. So it's really cool to see
when they when they do that, when they you know,
keep it in play like that and take the opportunities
and yeah sluster.

Speaker 6 (01:59:40):
Occasionally yeah good man, Alex say good points, well made, mate,
will check out the soldier field situation. It didn't look
like astro turf in the in the you know, typical
You say, well, that's plastic grass sense. It may have
been a little bit of a hybrid. We'll check it out.
Good to chat to you, mate, twenty two away from midday.
Calls mounting up, but let's get them on eight hundred
and eighty ten arighty back in a moment.

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