Full Show Podcast: 06 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Good morning, Welcome, good to have you with us. I
hope you survived the first week of the school holidays.
I'm sitting in the studio, I'm looking out the window
and it is an absolutely glorious day in Auckland. Doesn't
that just do something to the mood? I think it's
the weather is definitely calmer around the country. So look,
I hope you've survived the week. It's been pretty horrific
in some places. Hey, coming up on the show, Tody

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to very successful, charming and talented New Zealanders joined me
after ten the hilarious guy Montgomery Popson for a chat
about how spelling has made him a household name both
here in New Zealand and OZ. He's also in the
middle of his I've noticed so many things, be unfair
to keep them to myself tour. We find out what
he's noticed, if anything, while performing his stand up around

(01:13):
the country and after eleven, actress Antonia Preble is with
us to celebrate twenty years since Outrageous Fortune had our
screens and to talk about how she's brought in to
her skills within the entertainment industry and what she has
in store for us on the new season of her
poscast What matters most and we will have Elliot Smith
on the rugby shortly and as always, you're most welcome

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to text any time throughout the morning. On ninety two
ninety two, the Sunday session or so as the All
Blacks took to the fields at full Soyth Bar Stadium
and an even last night to stagger over the line
against the French. I thought about the calls that I
had on Marcus last Night's on Friday talking about the
future of our large stadiums and in particular the Forsyth
Bar Stadium and Wellington Sky Stadium. I'd be honest, it

(01:58):
doesn't really seem to matter which city you're in. Across
the country, stadiums are problematic. Auckland continues to debate its
own old decade old debate about whether we need a
new multi purpose waterfront stadium and now what to do
with Western springs. Christ Church rate payers are unhappy about
the cost blowouts for their new stadium to Kaha, although

(02:20):
when it opens, I reckon they'll be one over and
pretty happy. Wellington has a stadium that's not well designed
for rectangle sports like rugby or football, and suffers from
the city's in clement weather and really looks full and
Takaha has them all spooked. As fans took their seat
at full sooth by last night, they may have been
wondering how likely after christ Church's shiny new stadium opens

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next year they will be able to see concerts from
artists such as Pink and Ed Sharan or All Blacks
Tests in their city again. And they are right to
be worried. There is only so much sport to go around,
and with more global acts skipping New Zealand, competition is
only going to get tougher. We tend to think of
large outdoor stadiums as a must for a city of

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a certain side size, a required piece of civic infrastructure,
like a library of theater or an art gallery. But
perhaps we're more ambitious than we need to be. Does
the South isde and really need two covered stadiums, perhaps not,
but if eleven christ Church, you're thinking about christ Church,
not contemplating what it means for the stadium down the road.
For South Bar was conceived before the christ Church earthquake,

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opening in a time opening in time for the twenty
eleven Rugby World Cup, so they always expected it to
compete with christ Church and obviously there was confidence it could.
You could say that Dunedins had an unexpected advantage over
the last fourteen years. But now with competing stadiums, it's
on the council and stadium management to step up and

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find a way to ensure the stadium remains an asset
for the city and not a white elephant. The saying
build it and people will come doesn't apply to stadiums.
You need to convince people to choose your stadium and
your city to perform it, and then convince the locals
to attend. Everyone has a role in making a stadium work.
Look at Edin Bug. The recent change to allow up

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to twelve concerts a year to be held there has
sent a huge surge and fondness for the place, even
if it is mind blowing how long it has taken
to happen. The benefits are obvious on show weekends. Last
night it looked like a great night in Dunedin, the
crowd and full voice clearly enjoying the entertainment. Both the
stadium and the All Blacks got the job done. Yeah,

(04:31):
I hope it lasts. It's going to be really difficult,
but hopefully Dunedin will find a way to make sure
Full Soath Bar remains a source of pride.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
For a Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Ah, So are you hopeful? Is christ Church's new stadium
a genuine threat to Wellington's Sky Stadium in Dunedin's Full
South Bar? Are you concerned these stadiums are going to
end up becoming actually a bit of a burden for
the council and the locals. Key to hear your thoughts
you can text on ninety two ninety two and coming
up shortly We're going to find out how Elliott Smith

(05:05):
rates the All Blacks performance last night, and of course
king to hear your thoughts as well. Eleven past nine.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yep, it's simple.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
It's Sunday The Sunday Session with Francesca Rutgerter and Whiggles
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Speaker 2 (05:20):
News Talks v.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Fourteen past nine. Right Good government plans to scrap the
traditional census model hit a potentially unexpected constitutional hurdle. Last month,
Minister Shane Retty announced that the five year data collection
will be scrapped. Instead, he plans to use administrative data
from government agencies in an annual survey. Many concerns with

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the plan have been raised, but now one lawyer believes
that there could be legal issues with the government's plan.
Legal expert Graham Edler is with me. He has written
about the issue and he's going to help explain this
to us. Good morning, good morning. I hadn't thought about
this legal hurdle that the government may face. Can you
taught me through it?

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Certainly?

Speaker 5 (06:02):
So, I mean the census.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
It's written into the data at the Data and Statistics Act,
and so that's the law which requires the government censor
by government statistician to conduct a census every five years.
And so when they had to delay the census because
after the Christian truthquake, they had to pass a law

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saying okay, well you don't have to do it now,
we'll wait a couple of years. And so there are
a lot of other laws which deal with the census
as well, and one of the really important ones is
the Electoral Act. One of the reasons we count people
is so that we're dividing them up into seventy or
so electrics around the country and they've all got to
have about the same number of people in them to
have about have an answer and to know that information,

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you need to know who lives and where they live
and how many people are living in each house.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
To divide it up.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
But one of the important things in the Electoral Act
is there are sort of half a dozen things in
the Electoral Act which are so important that if Parliament
wants to change them, they need seventy five percent vote,
and so that's things like the voting age.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
Is one of them.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
The term of parliament. You know, we have elections every
three years because if the government could get in and
just start, we've got a majority. Now let's let's wait
five years to hold an election. We voted you in
for three And so there are sort of a few
important ones, and one of them is the rules around
dividing up the country into general electorates. How many electorates
there are, because you could if you had we used

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to have it where some elections would electorates would have many,
many fewer people than other electorates, particularly under First past
the post, but even under MMP that just wouldn't be fair.
And so one of those really important fairness things is, Okay,
we've got a census. Here's the rules how we how
we divide up the country. And one of the important
parts of that is there is a census. Since that

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census data, which has written into the Electoral Actor, is
the important bit of information which the people are dividing
up the electorates use, and that section, what that section
says is one of those seventy five percent to change things,
and so it says there has to be a census.
You know, all the other stuff about the census that's
in that other act that I having difficulties saying the

(08:12):
words to statistics earlier.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
I think a lot of people sort of, you know,
we're under the impression that the census really was was
about helping us do a really good budget. You know,
we hadn't quite we had didn't quite realize those what
else it was used for beyond that and the connection
to those things.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Yes, I mean, historically, I mean that's sort of the
main reason for it. Historically, you sort of go back
in the existence of a census, and the US it's
every ten years, they writ in their constitution back in
seventeen eighty seven, you know, and so dividing up the
country into sort of fairly sized even groups of people.
That's the historical one of the big reasons for the census,

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when all the information we get that was mostly just
about counting people, so you knew where they lived and
you know, okay, did California have fifty ease or forty
eight or or however many and so that was one
thing historically, that's the main reason. But there's a lot
of other useful information in there for the government, and

(09:16):
we sort of kept adding to it, and now we
get this information and that information from conducting a census,
or for that matter, from conducting you know, administrative surveys
or other administrative data.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
That it can all be very useful for the government.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
But this one, which is sort of.

Speaker 6 (09:30):
Very fundamental to our the fairness of our elections. It
is just one of those little things that we've gotten
the law there that says, you know, electoral commission, representation commission,
get this information work out the answers. Yeah, other North
Island's got this many people living it, so that's you know,
the North Island needs this many electorates and all those
sorts of things, and that's so important. It's it needs

(09:53):
a big vote and unless Labor supports it, there isn't
seventy five percent. Yeah, yeah, the government alone isn't enough.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
The pastless law.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
So a simple majority alone in parliament can't change. You've
got to have the support of at least seventy five
percent of MPs or a referendum. Is that right?

Speaker 5 (10:13):
Technically, I think.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
It would be a very unusual thing to have a
referendum on term of parliament. Do we have MMP or not?
You know, those sorts of questions are the toughest questions
we put to people.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Okay, so theoretically they're going to need seventy five percent
of MPs supporting this. Do you think the government will
get opposition support on this?

Speaker 6 (10:32):
I think there's a reasonable chance, you know, and there
might be some sort of you know, some debate, you know,
or what exactly you know, what limits can we change
and what we can do it? Because this has come
up quite recently. A few people might know at the moment.
One of the things that people in the election's sphere
of being asked is if you're on the marti roll
or the general role in you're marti at the moment
you can switch between them where a few days away

(10:53):
from being three months away from the local elections, and
so during that three month period just before a local
elections or just before general elections, you can't switch between roles. Okay,
So it's sort of a fairness thing. That's quite new.
It used to be we had the Maory option. We had,
you know, six months after the census. That was that
period where you could swap between the marti role and

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the general role and if you didn't switch, then you
had to wait until after the next census before you
could change again. And a lot of times people like
people should be able.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
To change slightly more often than that.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
And so the last Labor government brought in a law
change and they said, oh, you know, I think you
should be able to switch it anytime that they introduced that.
National was opposed to act and you know who were
in the opposition at that time, they were a post
Book got Select Committee, National in Act and still opposed
to it come out a slickt committee and at that
point the government realizes we need seventy five percent for this,

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because that's sort of that little rule about you know,
the Maray option, and you get the data from the
Marory option, and that feeds into how many marty seats
there are, how many Marty seats there are changes, how
many general seats there.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Are little and so that's.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
In that sectore, that section is in there, that that
little bit about that is in there as well. And
so at that point the government realized, well, we need
seventy five percent for this, So they spoke to National
and National said, well, we can't support it in the
form you've got it here, But if you had that
three month period before an election, so that people couldn't

(12:20):
gain the system, Oh, this is going to be a
close election. You know, it's a week before week out,
and I can see my votes needed in this one place.
They got that sort of little three month law change.
National came on board, Act came on board, i think
in the end, and they passed it. And so my
suspicion is that's that's what's likely to happen. But the
government will speak to labor and you know, this is
something that statistics in New Zealand I think wanted to

(12:42):
do for a while. The census has been becoming harder
for them to do, just because of the way society
is changing, and so I suspect the work on this
was probably being done well ahead Labor government something Ministers
of Statistics.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, we just because something's hard to do, it doesn't
mean we shouldn't try and do it. Thank you so
much for talking us through that grime. Really appreciate that
was law expert Grahame Edgelar there. You're probably going to
hear more of this going forward and wonder why, oh
the government just wants to get rid of it. Why
can't they? Turns out there's a tricky little law in
there attached in reference to the Electroact, and that's going
to be the hold up there you with news stalks,

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he beat It is twenty two.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Past nine the Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Alrighty. The All Blacks had their first hat out of
twenty twenty five last night against what had been billed
as an under strength French side. I think it was
a little closer than many of us would have liked.

Speaker 7 (13:34):
And a so called second strength French side has delivered
a first rate performance but the All Blacks hang on.
So when test number one of twenty twenty five thirty
one twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
New Stalks b lead rugby commentator Elliott Smith called the
game last night, good.

Speaker 8 (13:53):
Morning, Elliot, morning, French escats.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Right closer than the All Blacks would have liked last night.
How did you rate their performance?

Speaker 9 (14:01):
Look, I think the All Blacks will be probably a
little bit disappointed with that performance last night. Obviously they
got the win, but they had several attacking opportunities that
they didn't finish off. They were put under pressure by
the French defense in the red zone where they're on defense,
and a couple of those French ties really were rather
soft and put under a bit of pressure eerily as well.

(14:23):
So they had plenty of position. They made France tackle
double the amount that the All Blacks had to on
the other side of the ball, but just couldn't make
the French pay. And this is a problem again from
last year from All Blacks perspective, is that they had
a number of opportunities, couldn't finish them off and they
need to be better at doing so.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Thirty one points on attack pretty good, but what did
you think of defense? Twenty seven points was probably a
little bit more than they'd like to give.

Speaker 9 (14:47):
Away, exactly right, And look, they at times threatened to
maybe break the French open. Of course, they had three
tries denied by the TOMO. But when France began applying pressure,
especially after halftime, that All john with a twenty one
to thirteen lead, felt like they had the ascendency heading
into halftime. And then the French come out and starf
the second half of the his and a raw get

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back to twenty one twenty very very quickly continue applying
pressure and again they just wouldn't go away. The All
Blacks got out, so that twenty eight to twenty lead,
the French come back in again and the All Blacks
just weren't able to repel the French. When the French
got a roll on inside the twenty two, they inevitably
found an opportunity to score tries. So while the French

(15:28):
didn't get into the All Blacks twenty two too much,
they just when they did get there, they made the
All Blacks pay. So that's something certainly and they need
to work on heading into the second Test in the
Capitol this week. By and large, their discipline was good
didn't allow the French too many opportunities to into the
All Blacks red zone via penalties, but they just needed

(15:49):
to tidy up a lot of that defense as they
had to the second Test in the Capitol.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Look, Elliott, if you were if you're very passionate about
the All Blacks and how they played, you might be disappointed.
But if you just wanted some entertainment, that was certainly provided.
I thought. I liked the fact that it was a close.

Speaker 9 (16:05):
Game delivered on that for sure. And look, a lot
have been written about the squad that the French had
sent over and the fact there were eight debutantes in
their match Day twenty three, but these are players that
are playing in the Top fourteen, which is probably the
toughest rugby competition club rugby competition on the planet at
the moment. It's very very tight, very tough rugbing and

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a lot of these players look built for Test level.
A lot have come through the under twenty system where
France have donated for it for a few years and
won some titles along the way. So these are quality
players and while they weren't expected to push the All
Blacks as much as they did last night, it turned
into an enthralling contest and it tends to be the
opening match of the season. The All Blacks have sort

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of struggled to get things going. France certainly came out
with his and a roar and put the All Blacks
on the back foot a number of times last night.
So from a contest perspective, a drama perspective, was certainly
plenty of that last night, and.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Didn't Yeah, I mean, were you disappointed with the under
strength the French team that they have brought over. Do
you think they've proved themselves last night?

Speaker 10 (17:11):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (17:11):
I think a lot of those players prove themselves for sure.
And you know, the number eight giar was very, very impressive.
I thought the nine to ten combination ran things well
and just stuck to the French game plan, which is
ultimately to kick by and large and put pressure on
the All Blacks. Yeah, the players that did play last night,
you know a lot of them did show up. Their

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full back out of Sogby was very very good. These
are players that have been in and around the French
camp for a number of years. Some of them have
had opportunities off the bench in Six Nations, have been
part of the widest squad, but by and large their
coach Fabi and galtigate when he is in the Six
Nations stuck to a first choice team. You know that
the number eight last night Gillar has been behind el Drietz,

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who's been one of the best number eights, if not
the best number eight in the world for a few
years now. So the players that have been you know,
in the Q waiting for their opportunity, and certainly a
lot of them stuck their hands up last night. It
was disappointing obviously when the French decided again sending their
top players down to New Zealand, but they'd said that
about a year ago, so they've had the opportunity to

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really put these players in in the mix and know
which players are coming to New Zealand for some time,
knowing that the top players wouldn't be there.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
What about our debutants? How did they go? Do you think?

Speaker 8 (18:25):
Yeah, I thought that were good bye at large.

Speaker 9 (18:26):
Fabian Hollands in the second row went eighty minutes a
solid debut and look we need something you can go
eighty minutes on debut. I think you've got to be
pretty impressed by what the youngster can do and look'd
be great to see him build on that next week.
I suspect he will probably get another opportunity in Wellington.
I thought Christian Leo Willie made some strides, He got

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more comfortable as the game went on. He was very
very good on defense. I think made twelve tackles in
the end. I thought duple kad if he made a
real impact coming off the benches and pressed by what
he was able to do. Wasn't able to pil for
one of his trademark turnovers, but I thought was active
with a number of carries throughout, and Oline Norris did
his job as well. The All Blacks as a whole

(19:07):
just weren't able to get the ascendency that they probably
would have liked. But I think certainly a pass mark
for those debutantes by and large that came into the
game and look at a couple of things to work on.
We were talking about this last night that you look
at the performance and no one really stood out as
having a poor game. It was just the All Blacks
weren't able to put this trademark effectiveness on the performance.

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Jureka Juwanni had a couple of moments where he probably
would want back Billy Procter as well, and Aaron pars
and this tackle here and there, but there were no
out and out poor performances. On the other side, there
was probably no out and out sublime performances. So the
All Blacks are able to get the win, but there's
plenty to work on as they head to Wellington.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
What do you expect to see from the All Blacks
next week in Wellington?

Speaker 9 (19:53):
Well I suspect them might roll out a similar side.
They're going to have to change at one player and
Sevi Reese who has already been ruled out of next
week with their HA after fifty seven seconds he went
off the park. It was a Category one, so he's
definitely out next week. I don't know there'll be too
many other tweaks to the side. I suspect any further
tweaks may come in for the Third Test if the

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All Blacks are able to win in the Capital next week.
So look, I think ultimately the things we've talked about,
their defense needs to improve and they need to be
better at taking those attacking opportunities, you know, when they're
out in the park and claiming those. That'll be the
main focus for the All Blacks is they look to
go turn it up and claim it unstable leaving the series.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
He's the thing though, Aliot, we know that the All
Blacks like to come back strong after a game, that
they might be a little bit disappointed and then feel
that they didn't, you know, do as well as they'd
like to. However, I imagine the French are very buoyed by
that performance last night and getting so close.

Speaker 9 (20:46):
Well that's right. Look, if they're blasts of parking and
havn't got close, then you go, okay, well, well this
could be a long couple of weeks for the French,
but the fact they did get so close might just
give them that extra impetus. It has been a long
season for them, I think started in August last year
from memory, so a lot of these players have been
playing for pretty much eleven months of the year. But
they found it, you know, a second wind potentially, given

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it was so close last night. And you know, Wellington
hasn't been the happiest of hunting grounds for the All Blacks,
as we've discussed for a number of years. They've got
a wind and bledders Low last year, but it's been
diabolically bad for a number of years they might be
able to take that the French and use it for
a bit of confidence heading into that match.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Oh well, I'm looking forward to it. Thank you so much, Aliot.
Really appreciate your thoughts this morning.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Too easy.

Speaker 9 (21:30):
Thanks Fench your skip.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
I'm keen to hear your thoughts as well. Did you
enjoy the game? I quite enjoyed the fact that it
was so close and at a little bit unpredictable and
you know, a little bit loosey goosey. You weren't entirely
sure how things were going to turn out. And it
provides a bit of entertainment, doesn't it. But what did
you think of the your Blacks performance against a second
tear French side? Come on, let's have it. Two ninety
two A receipted text saying, Hi, I sold my four

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tickets to the All Blacks game inter eding because I
couldn't secure any accommodation under fifteen hundred dollars. Accommodation shortages
have always been an issue since the stadium was built,
which is odd given it was sold as an enabler
of redevelopment of waterfront in the city. Instead, we'll put
our money into a long weekend in Australia. I think
you very much your texts. Another texter asked Michelle Texas, say,

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could you find out who sung the New Zealand anthem
at the Maldi All Blacks game? Scotland just beat them
twenty nine to twenty six last night. She was fantastic.
The text reads brought tears to my eyes. A young
artist called Jaya Jaya I believe is who sung the

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anthem last night. I think that's correct. Thank you very
much to be a text you can text anytime throughout
the morning. Ninety two ninety two. We've got local politics
up next. It's twenty seven to ten.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks.

Speaker 10 (22:53):
A b.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Time now for local politics and New Zealand. HEROLD political
reporter Jamie Enzora is with me.

Speaker 11 (22:59):
Now, Hi Jamie, good morning, How are you good?

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Thank you? So the educate Education Minister Ericus Stanford is
accusing some critics of frothing at the mouth to do
with a treaty of White Houngy clause and education legislation.
What has got everyone into a bit of a spin
about this?

Speaker 11 (23:17):
Yeah, so this is a political war of words between
Eric Stanford and the right wing lobby group Hobson's Pledge,
And what it comes down to is that Hobson's Pledge
has made a claim to its supporter, is that the
Education Minister is trying to sneak what it called a
radical Treaty of White Ungy clause into the legislation that
governs our education system, and that clause requires school boards

(23:40):
of trustees to give effect the treaty, including reflecting Tea,
Kung and Moldy and taking steps to make sure instruction
is available in today. Now. As you can imagine, that
set off quite a storm. This is a government of
parties that were elected somewhat on a platform of rolling
back the likes of co governance, and what they see
is the generic mentions of the treaty and legislation. But

(24:03):
quite counter to what Hobson's Pledge claimed, Treaty clause has
been in the legislation for a while now. Erica Sandford
isn't sneaking it into the law, and she made that
point pretty loudly with what I RECKOONI is some of
the strongest language I've heard from a minister in a
long time. She said that Hobson's Pledge was whipping up hatred,
frothing at the mouth and spouting out what she described

(24:26):
as complete and utter garbage and lies. Now, the confusion
appears to have come from the fact that the Minister
is making changes to this particular piece of legislation. She's
putting an emphasis on school boards being focused on student achievement,
but she hasn't removed that treaty clause, which has upset
these critics. Now, interestingly, the act Party told us this

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week that it actually wanted this clause removed immediately from
the legislation. But what's going to happen is that the
government is going to review it as part of a
wider look at treaty clauses across many different laws. Hobson's
Pledge has responded saying it's not interested in name calling
and it just wants the clause gone.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Okay, and when will they be take doing that wider
look at treaty clauses.

Speaker 11 (25:10):
Yeah, so that work is currently underway. It's seeming to
be coming to the ends of the process.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Okay, thank you. Now the government has unleashed a law
and order bannendsa this week. There's been a lot of
announcements from trespassed laws to shoplifting. How has it been
received overall?

Speaker 11 (25:25):
Yes, so a fairly classic move by the government this week.
It was a quiet recess week, so the government wanted
to fill the void and it has not one, not two,
not three, but four law and order announcements. Of course,
law and order remains a pretty key issue for voters,
so an avalanche of these types of announcements isn't going
to hurt. Paul Goldsmith, the Justice Minister, covered off everything

(25:46):
from new offenses for those who assault first responders, a
new offense for coward punchers, fines for shoplifting, and strengthening
trespass legislation. As you mentioned now, most of this was
entirely expected. For example, one of those offenses was in
the National New Zealand First Coalition Agreement. In terms of
how it's been received, a number of the governments uppons

(26:06):
have said that ministers should be more focus on addressing
the causes of crime, so things like poverty the cost
of living, rather than just toughening up the punishments and
Green MP Tammath for Paul says that when people can't
afford to feed themselves, they sometimes do resort to stealing
food and it was wrong to go after these people.
And Paul Goldsmith, of course, took the opportunity to hit

(26:28):
back at that, releasing a press release saying that the
Greens were making excuses for people stealing from hard working
New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Jamie, thanks so much, appreciate your time this morning. That
was New Zealand Herald political reporter Jamie Ensall. Hey, Guy
Montgomery is not only hugely talented, but he's also one
of the nicest people you could meet. He's currently on
tour around the country with his stand up show. He
is going to join me after ten to talk about
dealing with success because he's become very, very successful. He
is very big both here and in Australia. So we're

(26:58):
going to have a chat about that shortly. It is
twenty one to ten.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
For Sunday Session full show podcast on iHeartRadio by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
That'd be.

Speaker 12 (27:09):
Two days.

Speaker 13 (27:10):
It's gonna be the day that they're gonna throw it
back to you. By now you should us somehow realize
what you gotta do. I don't believe that anybody feels
the way out to about you.

Speaker 14 (27:25):
Now.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Backbe the word oasis are back. They played their first
gig in sixteen years as the reunion got underway in
Cardiff Saturday morning. New Zealand Time reviews have been good,
We're gone through the concert, that's the first thing you
go tick. They made it through. Apparently they played. They
focused on playing songs from their nineteen nineties Heyday. There

(27:55):
was only one song apparently little by Little, that was
taken from their final four albums. So there there is
a kind of a philosophy if you want to be
successful at Glastonbury, which is play the hits, dummy. That's
what they say to the artists because they have such
a wide range of artists that come to plan, a
lot of oldiers, and they're like, don't bring in new
music that no one knows you. Always play the hits.

(28:16):
That's how you get the crowd onside, and that's how
you do it. So clearly that is what Oasis is
doing and now they just need to do It's through
it all about November twenty third, I think, which is
when their final concert is. If they can hold it
together till then. I like to be honest with you,
I was a bit like, uh oh yeah, my first
announces to us and now got a little bit of foam.

Speaker 11 (28:35):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
I think anyway, if you're going to them in Australia,
I would be getting very very excited. It sounds like
it was amazing concert. There we go. Thanks for the
feedback this morning. Somebody said they don't feel that the
All Blacks click and don't think they ever will under
Scott Barrett. That was something else that came up on

(28:56):
Friday night and the talkback on Marcus Lush and I
saw it was fundering a couple of the nights of
Marcus and a lot of you don't think that he
should be the leader. Everybody was ready. Everybody sort of
felt like that Ardie Savier was the man who, especially
after his incredible performance with Mine of Pacifica this year,
that he should have been he should step up as captain.
That's a thought there and another text. A win is

(29:17):
a win. As for a second rate French squad. Look
how often the All Blacks End of year tours have
two tier players as well. It's not worth arguing over
and sport generally around the world always has to have
a balance of senior versus development squads. You're right, Look, Malcolm,
it's working for them right. I think there is nothing
more dangerous than a team that has nothing to lose.
And when you've got all these youngies coming through who

(29:39):
are getting this opportunity of a lifetime and are so
excited about me able to come and play, you know,
one of the great teams in the world. Of course,
they're going to just go for it. And I think
they are going to be I think they're going to
be confident next week. I think they're going to look
at that game last night and go, yeah, sure, it's
a you know, this is of course the first set
of test for the all Blacks. Yeah, the French have

(30:00):
also had to come together. I think a lot of
people are going to be I think they're going to
be thinking to themselves, okay, that went all right, and
clear texts to say. I filled out the census every time,
every single time over the years, always confident of trusting
the government with my information. However, the last off on
again census around rock from my confidence, even though I

(30:20):
did it on the back of how we were lied
to during the pandemic. I don't trust the government with
my information and I was right. As it turns out,
census data was released in misuse for political game by
JT and the Tibardi Party and who knows what else.
So thank you very much for your thoughts on that
you can keep your thoughts coming throughout the morning. Ninety
two ninety two, it is fifteen to ten, putting the.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 15 (30:46):
TAPO updating the two thousand and nine Joint Management Agreement
between the Council and NATI two Payta. The critics argue
that the treaty principles are in vedding co governments directly
into council operations. Near of tapa's David thru Waders this
proposed update no public visibility, you would say, not true,
not true.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
We're set up a subcommittee now we're ready to present
to the public and see what they say.

Speaker 8 (31:04):
What did the public go? Were sick of this?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
We don't want it.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Well, we've got the stuff to go and do. Okay, crime,
what consultation looks like? Is that a possibility?

Speaker 15 (31:11):
What do you mean is consultation of possibility?

Speaker 8 (31:13):
Surely you're going to consult.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
No, Well, it's an agreement between the two partytar and
the Council.

Speaker 15 (31:18):
So maybe no consultation David back tomorrow at six am
the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Maybe's real Estate News Talk
zed B.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of Greg reads used talk.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
ZEDB right now about now on the Sunday session, we
were really hoping to talk to LifeWise CEO High High
to Barrett about the Big Sleepout fundraiser. I'm going to
talk about it instead because I think it's a great cause.
It's returning after a six year hiatus, and the aim

(31:57):
of the Big Sleepout is really simple. It is to
bring the issue with homelessness and those suffering from trauma
and mental health issues and poverty into the hearts and
minds of the wider part black. So they find some
individuals who key we recognize as people like me. They're generally,
you know, high profile community and business leaders, and they

(32:17):
sleep rough for charity. And the whole idea is that
it sort of humanizes the issue, but it also helps
to inspire donations and engagement needed to make real change
in this particular area. And obviously, as I mentioned, it's
the firstly part since two thousand and nineteen. I think

(32:40):
it's probably a very timely return. Homelessness is interesting, isn't it.
I'm not sure how well we're able to really calculate
and keep track of the statistics around it, As you
can imagine, that is quite hard to do, but I

(33:01):
think anecdotally a lot of us feel like we are
seeing a lot more homelessness in our communities. Damien Solisa
is the vice chancellor at AUT and he is going
on the big sleepout and he very kindly joins me, now,
good morning.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Good morning, David.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Why are you getting involved?

Speaker 10 (33:26):
Oh? Well, one reason is that AUT has been a
long time supporter of this initiative, although we haven't had
it for five years, and that's why AT is involved.
But I'm personally involved because of some of those concerns
you've just outlined that we're in a situation where we're
seeing tens of thousands of New Zealanders who are severely
housing deprived and the arrows going in the wrong way.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Taught me through the sleep out what is the night
like for participants?

Speaker 10 (33:53):
Well, we can probably count our blessings that it's not
like it was going to be last week, So Basically
we gather into a gawai plaza, which is a square
in aut It's an open square. There is a little
bit of shelter, just sort of an overhang, and from
six pm through to seven am there's a short program

(34:14):
of discussion about homelessness and there is a few musical guests.
But the rest is sleeping outside in the elements, or
just a piece of cardboard for the ground and the
sleeping bag. So partly it's about that experience. Partly it's
about some awareness raising and education, and partly it's about
gathering together a whole lot of really committed New Zealand

(34:37):
leaders from places as divers as one New Zealand Kiwi Rail,
the District Court, wistpac Ayn's Head, who are CEOs and
CEOs who are there putting some skin in the game.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
And I presume that they're holding it in the middle
of winter when the nights are long cold, and that
is very deliberate. It wouldn't be quite the same if
it was a Barmie Auckland evening with it.

Speaker 10 (35:04):
No, it's not designed to be a sunlight. I think
it is supposed to remind people just how tough some
New Zealanders do it, and also to sort of shorten
that connection between those who experience it and don't often
feel seen or their experiences is not really understood, and

(35:27):
actually share that experience more broadly with people who do
have nice homes or homes and have a place to
go in the evenings.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Damon is it? Do we know how many people are
homeless at a soon given time? Is it an easy
thing to be able to track?

Speaker 11 (35:47):
Well?

Speaker 10 (35:48):
I think that life wise has a particular methodology and
they both sort of because it isn't that easy, and
we do see arrangement numbers across New Zealand. Of course
it varies, and then there's people who are homeless for
a short period, homeless for a long period, those who
are taken in period. So I think they tend to

(36:09):
form these broader categories which capture that wide range of experience,
and of course what leads people to the streets can
be quite varied. So some we're now seeing situations where
New Zealanders who are employed have nowhere to stay, and
of course at aut we're particularly concerned about students who

(36:30):
have nowhere to stay, and often that's because the homes
they come from have no money. Sometimes it's due to overcrowding.
Sometimes it's just the precariousness that some New Zealanders have
where the gap between what they earn in the street
is quite small, and so very small events can lead
to very dramatic consequences. But I know that LifeWise number

(36:55):
shows that that number's gone up, so they're the last
big sleepout from just under a hundred thousand to about
one hundred and twelve thousand or more.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Diamon, I really appreciate you jumping on and talking us
through that. That was the Vice Chancellor of aut and
aut is hosting it and Damon is also participating in it. Look,
if you want more information, all you have to do
is go to likewise dot org dot NZ. You'll be
able to find the information about the Big sleep Out there,
and you know where funds go to and what they're

(37:30):
up to, and also how to get involved and how
to donate. It is six to ten.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
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Speaker 3 (37:49):
Someone just text me to say, just watched England versus
Argentina live. Good game. So now I'm desperately trying to
find the result of that. England stun Argentina in their
own backyard. What was the result. Anyway, we'll talk, we'll
talk about we can talk ugular later. Can't wait when
Piney is with us. Oh my god. Okay, I'm gonna

(38:14):
I'll get this sorted. I'm going to focus on what
I'm supposed to be doing here, which is telling you
that coming up next, Guy Montgomery is going to join me.
Love Guy. He's one of my favorite New Zealand comedians.
He's an outstanding stand up comedian. He's become well known
in New Zealand and olds as the quiz master, of course,
of the Guy Mont's Spelling Bee TV show, and he's
been nominated for a big award. Is apparently his new

(38:36):
talent in Australia, even though he's really popular over there.
He is going to join us. We're finishing the hour
with a bit of food Fighters. This is the first
song they've released in two years. It is called Today's
Song Back shortly.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Welcome to the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the Best of Great Reads.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yes, I'm Francesca, good to have you with us. With
you until midday to day at is seven past ten.
Thank you very much to the person who texts me
through the score between England versus Argentina thirty five England
Argentina twelve, so that might be worth the watch again
later on. Thank you for that right.

Speaker 8 (39:32):
Well.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
He has been known and loved by all of us
for a very long time now, but thanks to the
crazy success of his Lockdown spelling Bee creation, Guy Montgomery
is a rising new talent of TV in Australia. He's
been nominated for a Loki. He's up for the Graham
Kennedy Award for the Most Popular New Talent at the
prestigious Australian TV Awards. It's not all about Australia though.

(39:55):
The Australian version of Guy mont spelling Bee is coming
to our screens soon on three and Guy is back
here soon with his stand up show to run us
through at all. He's with me now, I got me
good morning.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (40:09):
Well, you've done a very good job of running us
through it all already, so there's not a love for me.

Speaker 8 (40:14):
To get into it.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Well. Congratulations nominee for Graham Kennedy Award for Most Popular
New Talent at the Logis Did you see that one coming?

Speaker 14 (40:23):
No?

Speaker 8 (40:24):
I because you don't.

Speaker 16 (40:25):
I don't know how it works, but the networks choose
who they put forward from there, I suppose stable of shows,
and so I had no idea I was in the conversation.
I had no idea, respectfully that I was new. I
you know, I always dreamed of being acknowledged as an
exciting newcomer before I was balding. But you don't have

(40:49):
agency over these things. So it's very exciting. But it
was certainly a surprise.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
I think it's quite encouraging to know that you can
be new talent at thirty six years old.

Speaker 8 (40:57):
Yeah, I guess that's another way of looking at it.

Speaker 16 (41:00):
I think, yeah, I honestly don't know what the criteria is,
but it was I was stoked because because the logis
are you know, like it's a weird name for an award,
it stays in their head. And my partner, Chelsea Preston
Crayford has this same LOGI in our house. She won
it in like twenty eleven for Underbelly Raiser, and I

(41:24):
really want to get one of my own.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
You're never going to hear the end of the day,
I don't know.

Speaker 16 (41:30):
It's like, yeah, if I don't win. It's over. I'm
on the back foot.

Speaker 8 (41:34):
You only get one chance at the Newcomer Award.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
You know, it's got nothing to do with your award.
It's got nothing to do with you know how much
you know telling you have. It's actually just about the relationship.

Speaker 8 (41:43):
It's about personal standing in the place I lay my head.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Who was Graham Kennedy?

Speaker 11 (41:50):
Do you know?

Speaker 16 (41:51):
He is an iconic Australian television personality who paves the
way for people whose first name starts with G and
last name ends with why. And it's thanks to Graham
that people like me realized it was possible.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Do you It's a popularity vote, isn't it. You have
to kind of campaign for votes.

Speaker 16 (42:08):
Yeah, this is one of the issues, is the way
to win the award. That these things used to be
judged on merit, you know, ability as judged by a
panel of experts, but now it is genuinely like the
campaign to win the award, basically it's who does the
best job of promoting the logis on their social media.

Speaker 8 (42:26):
So you have to campaign. You have to tell people
to vote for you.

Speaker 16 (42:30):
And you know, some of the other nominees have a
lot of followers on Instagram, So it's a bit of
a whatever platform it's It can feel like a fruitless task,
but I have been. I've been chipping away at it.
I do you know, I harbor a desire to win.
I am a competitive person.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
I like it. Well, you know, there are a few
New Zealanders in Australia. We all know friends and family there.
I suppose it's on us to rally them to vote
for you. Can we so we can make this a
you know, we can sort of get involved, I suppose
and help you out here if.

Speaker 16 (43:06):
You don't you a but Francesca, have you contacted everyone
you know in Australia?

Speaker 3 (43:11):
I will do that for you the same. I've got
a moment.

Speaker 8 (43:14):
A lot of people have been idled. They think these
things take care of themselves.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I love it. You are going into campaign mode. We
have talked about the origins of the show before the
Spelling Show. But it does it blow your mind that
a concept designed to keep you entertaining lockdown has gone
as far as it has?

Speaker 8 (43:35):
Yeah? It does.

Speaker 16 (43:36):
I mean it's sort of the more the longer it happens,
or the more sustained kind of audience it seems to
have in Australia, both as a TV show but also
as it translates to, you know, having a lot as
a live stand up audience. Has kind of gone some
way to consolidating my acceptance that this is just it's

(43:57):
just part of the you know, it's part of the
fabric of entertainment television over there, and I think at
a time when comedy panel shows or shows that put
comedians first and give them a chance to be funny
on TV kind of on the way like the whole
industry both here in Australia. We feel the effects here
first because we've got a smaller market and less money,

(44:17):
but in Australia now as well, the amount of shows
or opportunity for young comedians to be blooded on TV
and introduced to that audience are less, and so it's
sort of I mean, for me personally, it's unbelievable, but
beyond that, for the for the live comedy industry to
be able to platform new voices and you have this

(44:39):
show take up what is I remember growing up and
wanting to get on seven days and what an important
space it occupied in terms of mapping out what I
thought a career could look like. And so for to
be part of that is also what really makes me
feel great about it.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Does a lot go into the show? Is there a
lot of prep and research, writing and things a little
bit more that it looks maybe.

Speaker 16 (44:59):
So honestly, to get the shows really because it's not topical,
we film them in a block, so we don't do
them weekly. We've we knocked them all out across five
or six days, depending how many episodes you make, and
we do two episodes a day, so episode one and two,
you know, and then the next day we three and four,
and so all of the work has to go on beforehand,

(45:20):
and which involves devising new rounds, sort of new unnecessarily
circuitous routes to get people spelling words. But then also
inside of that you have to discover the game mechanic.
But then you have to write the jokes which support
the word. And so even in the first round, the
spelling round, which is, you know, on the on the
surface of it, the most straightforward round, every single word

(45:42):
that is possibly going to be spelled, we have to
write three jokes that we're happy with or proud of,
and then the contestants can choose whether or not to
ask for those jokes or some of them are so
excited to spell that is blow past you know, you've
you've spent you could spend sometimes an hour just writing
a definition to a word, and you'll think, this is
the funniest joke we've written all season. And you'll be

(46:03):
through out there on the floor and the word will
come out of the receptacle and you'll be thinking, please, please, please, please, please,
for the love of God, will you ask for this definition?
And they're nervous or excited, and they just go straight
to the word, and you think, well, I mean, I
think a dream one day is to perhaps publish a dictionary,
a spelling Bee dictionary of all of the words that

(46:25):
have featured on the show, with all of the jokes,
those that were used and those that weren't used. Oh,
that's sort of once we've accumulated enough sort of, you know,
like it's once it's worthy basically.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Oh, you put that out into the universe. Now, that
has to be done. I think that absolutely has to
be done. Is there a noticeable difference between making the
show in New Zealand and Australia.

Speaker 16 (46:47):
Ah, well, it's funny because the New Zealand we haven't
made a new Zealand version since November twenty three now,
and so that was when we made the second season
of New Zealand, and since then we've actually turned around
two seasons of the Australian show. So I'm not since
the Australian shows existed, I've not made a New Zealand show.

(47:09):
And the Australian show kind of stands on the shoulders
of so much of the work we did in the
ground we broke in terms of, you know, the functionality
of it and the way it looks, and so in
a way it was kind of a lot of the
homework we'd already done for ourselves. And then we're filming
a New Zealand version for broadcast next year at some point,
and so it'll be interesting actually to experience, you know,

(47:32):
the reverse that the flow and effect of having done
a lot of new work in Australia that we can
bring to the New Zealand version. I think, in terms
of the format, I want every episode there to be
a new game, so one that's new to the contestants,
new to the audience at home. But then the value
of having a deeper bank of episodes to draw from
is you can reach your favorite games, you can upcycle

(47:53):
and you can sort of bring the ones that you
rarely thought worked over. So yeah, I haven't experienced the
full breadth of difference. I mean one of the one
of the differences is that ABC, who make it for Australia,
they the budget's bigger, studios bigger, there's more cameras in there,
and so the actual feel of it when you walk.

Speaker 8 (48:10):
Out is just it's more substantial.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, are the guests in Aussie You've had some great
guests on the show over there, and we're going to
get to see these shows here too, which is fabulous.
Is it anyone that you were a fan of or
genuinely really excited to have on the show?

Speaker 16 (48:31):
Yeah, I mean in terms of the stand up comedians,
there's a lot of them. I was excited to see
how they played with the format and stand up if
you do it long enough, and I've been going for
fourteen years now.

Speaker 8 (48:47):
To still do it, that's right, still new to it.

Speaker 16 (48:51):
The circle of people that's globally, it's quite a small community,
and so unless people have broken through to this other
tier where you're never going to sort of be on
the same lineup as them, you do get to meet
these people and become friends with them quite quickly, whereas
the television personality, so the ones who you might not
necessarily see on the live scene, you only see through

(49:13):
the camera. They were sort of people are was more
excited to I suppose to meet in terms of I
didn't already know these people. I just wanted to know
what they were like. But I'm actually having trouble because
the season that's being broadcast in New Zealand, which is
the first season of Australia, and we've made the second
season since then that's coming out in Australia right now.

(49:34):
So if me to trapes through all of the names
who have been it's just a blur. It's a name soup.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
It's a name soup. I love it. You were already
well known in Australia before you started the show, but
has this just really obviously there's the Awarden things, But
do you recognized a lot more now? Are your you know,
your stand up gigs, The audience is getting bigger in things.

Speaker 16 (49:58):
Absolutely, Yeah, it is really quite remarkable to on the
street you can feel it more that you know, there's
a lot more, especially in the outside of the major
cities and the sort of. I mean in their second
cities are still pretty big. I'll do gigs in those
places now, and you know, I get to perform in
quite beautiful old theaters and the people in the town

(50:20):
that are so friendly and they'll stop. And I mean
the first time after Spelling Bee had been broadcast in Australia,
the first time this is last year.

Speaker 8 (50:27):
I went into the show in.

Speaker 16 (50:28):
Adelaide and on the way through border security, the border
security agent was like, oh my god, dude, I'm loving
the spelling Show. And I thought, this is the greatest
welcome I've ever had. So I can certainly feel a
little bit more here, like in New Zealand, which I
quite enjoy as well. No one knows or cares. I

(50:50):
think people don't stop and talk to you in New Zealand,
and I think that's a combination of respect, lack of interest,
perhaps not knowledge. Also maybe some tall pop people. I
don't want to beef your head up by acknowledging that
you might have made something funny and so but I
kind of love it because I get to go over
there and kind of enjoy the trappings of having a
successful show and come home and just toil away and obscurity.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Your stand up show is I've noticed so many things
it'll be unfair to keep them to myself. I think
you've how many performances have you done already?

Speaker 16 (51:24):
This show I would have performed about fifty times, and
forty nine of those who are in Australia, I did
it in Wellington during the New Zealand International Comedy Festival,
and the tour ends in Auckland, so that will be
the I think by then it will be the fifty
sixth or seventh performance of the show.

Speaker 8 (51:42):
Is that a long tour, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 16 (51:47):
I think by the standards of this part of the world,
it's a pretty hefty tour. But obviously, you know, if
you find what you love doing, which in mynd sense
with stand up, and you're in a position where you
can perform the show that many times, there's that many
people that want to see it, it's like.

Speaker 8 (52:04):
It's one of life's great joys.

Speaker 16 (52:06):
And so the show improves every time in ways big
and small, and the sort of the shape of it.
The jokes that maybe at the start of the tour
were the funniest, they don't become less funny, but other
jokes kind of become stronger so they can maintain the standard.
It's it's sort of an interesting thing to be working
with a show this much, to feel the ebbs and

(52:28):
flows and the changes that occur throughout it. But yeah,
to be able to finish the tour in Auckland and
the theater I've never played before, the connect Kanoa, is
I'm really really excited to, you know, to I love
this show. It's the best one I've done, and so
to be able to send it off at home, I'm
really you know, I'm really looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
This is probably a really dumb question. If you're an actor,
there are techniques involved. You can go and study how
to become an actor and things. If you want to
do stand up comedy, how do you learn to be
a stand up comedian? Do you do? Is it just
trial and error? Do you get on stage and work

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out what works and what doesn't? Do you have to
learn yourself how to craft a joke to make it work?
Do you watch other people?

Speaker 10 (53:17):
Like?

Speaker 3 (53:18):
How do you do it? How do you get better
at it?

Speaker 8 (53:20):
All of the above.

Speaker 16 (53:21):
It's an interesting thing. It's just I mean, do you
know the first before I did stand up comedy when
I was thinking I might like to do it. There
was a channel in New Zealand called C four Die
and there was a show on it called you Know,
Die Henwood's Protege, and Die Henwood put a call out
to a bunch of New Zealand you know young people,
saying you could be my comedy protege. And I followed

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this along. I had not yet built up the courage
to try stand up and some of the people who
applied Rose Mutterfaya was one of them. In Heidi o'lachlan
and Guy Williams was on it and he won and
I watched that and I thought he was funny. But
I thought, I'm sure I can do a version of that.
And so I was at University in Wellington and I
was walking past the library one night to go back

(54:05):
to my where I was living, and Guy Williams was
out the front and he was canvassing. He was going
to run for student body president. And I recognized him
from the show and I said, Guy, you're from TV.
You're Guy Williams, You're Die Himwito's protege. And he goes
He's like, I don't know if you've met him before,
but his personality is. There is no artifice to his

(54:27):
TV pisoda. He is absolutely the same empery goes, he goes,
Oh good, hoame mate, Yeah I am. You know, I
was thinking about trying comedy.

Speaker 8 (54:34):
How do I do it?

Speaker 16 (54:35):
You got to get down to the raw Bar and Wellington.
They got an open mic nut on the Monday and
I said okay, and I went away and I never
did it.

Speaker 8 (54:42):
I didn't have the courage.

Speaker 16 (54:43):
And then years later I was in Auckland and I
went on a blind date to a comedy show. This
must be twenty eleven, maybe twenty ten, and I went
on a blind date to a comedy show. It was
a Guy Williams comedy show. He was doing a split
bill with a guy called Joseph Harper and I went
and watched it and Rose was opening for them. Then

(55:04):
I watched Rose open and then after towards the blind
date didn't go well. But I went up to Guy
and I said, I don't know if you remember me.
I met you outside the Victoria University Library and I
talked to you about comedy and he said, oh yeah,
I remember you. And I said, look, I've written some jokes.
I think I would love to open for you if
you have me. They said, you come back tomorrow before
the show and do the jokes for us before the show,

(55:25):
and if they're not horrifically offensive, then you can open.
And so I went back the next day and I
did the jokes and most of them were about how
Vential and Haaler's looked like chimneys and how disparaging that
is towards the asthmatic community. And he said, yeah, absolutely,
and I opened for him and that was my first gig,
and then from there again I still didn't have the
courage to keep going. But basically, to answer your original question,

(55:49):
did that was just a curonam in real time to
share their anecdotes. I think it's quite an interesting memory.
But it's just you just have to keep doing it.
You just have to keep getting up and doing it.
And it's a unique art form in that you are
building and improving these things in front of your audience.
When musicians work on a song, they're usually doing it
in a studio. When actors are rehearsing, they're doing it
in a rehearsal room. Comedy, you are building the thing

(56:12):
in front of the people who are purportedly going to
enjoy the finished product and hopefully enjoy what you're doing
along the way. But it's just I was devastated when
I started really pursuing it in earnest to discover it's
just hard work.

Speaker 8 (56:24):
I thought there's got to be some sort of cheatcoke.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Oh well, I am so pleased that you finally got
the courage to get up on stage. I think it
is the most terrifying thing in the world trying to
work out, you know, being in that sort of situation.
But absolutely loving the TV show. Thank you so much
for your time. Guy, really really appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (56:42):
Thanks very much for having me. Francesco. I'll see you
around the traps.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Thank you so much so. Guy Montgomery's Guy mont Spelling
Beet Australia. It's going to launch on July the seventeenth
on three and three now, And if you're keen to
see his stand up in Auckland, he's playing the Kiddy
to Kanawa there on August the fifteenth. Tickets are on
sale now. And don't forget. Antonia Preble is with me
after eleven this morning to talk about her new projects
she has on the go. It is twenty five five

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past ten.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
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(58:03):
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Speaker 14 (58:06):
It's a Sunday Session little bit again beat feel like
I don't have the answers this beece the madness overheads
Lady jry Me.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Okay. So Lord released her fourth album Virgin What would
it Be about a week ago now and it has
done extremely well. It is number one in the UK
and Australia and the Zeline. That's gonna be really interesting
to see how where it ends up. In about a
week next week we should find out how well it
is doing in the US as well. I'm loving it.

(58:43):
Turn it up loud. I think this album is absolutely
glorious pop. So enjoying it very much. Good honor. Joining
me now to talk entertainment is Steve Neil, editor at
fleck Stock coded in ze, good morning, Good morning. You've
brought in something a little bit different. You have just
shown me the opening to Ozzie Osbourne and Black Sabbath's
last ever show, which is happening right now, and actually

(59:06):
pretty impressed the guys still going considering what he's dealing with.

Speaker 17 (59:09):
Indeed, indeed, the live stream of Back to the Beginning
has just gotten up to the part where Ozzie has
taken the stage, elevating through the stage floor in his
throne and not able to stand and perform these days. Unfortunately,
the show itself has wrapped, so there's a there's a
live stream that currently has according to The Guardian, three
point three million people paying to watch paying to watch

(59:30):
the show. When the schedule came out, it kind of
gave me conniptions thinking about how they were going to
make this thing work. The set times seemed extremely shall
we say, ambitious for a show with one stage. The
lineup is starting at one thirty pm in the afternoon,

(59:51):
Mastered on Rival Sons, Anthrax, Hailstorm, Lamb of God, Supergroup A, Allison,
chains Go, Jira, drum Off, Supergroup B, Pantera, Tool Slayer,
Guns n' Roses, Metallica, now Ozzie and then shortly Black
Sabbath crazy set of as short as fifteen minutes with
like seven minute change arounds, absolute like hair raising comkay?

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
So sorry? Was this part of a festival? Were these
just people that they had come on board to celebrate this?

Speaker 17 (01:00:16):
This is this is a celebration of Black Sabbath and
a farewell to live performances by Ozzie Osborne. The show's
called Back to the Beginning. It's taking place at Villa
Park in Aston, Birmingham, it's where Black Sabbath formed over
fifty years ago. It's impossible to really understand I think

(01:00:37):
the impact they've had on music, not just sparking a
genre of music, but you can see the kind of
tendrils of Black Sabbath kind of creeping into so many
different things over the years.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
You know, I'm watching him perform here as you say,
he can't stand. He has to sit on a stack,
he has to sit on this. They've got this wonderful,
elaborate black throne for him and things. A lot of
artists probably at this point wouldn't be prepared to do this.
It's kind of cool seeing regardless of the health issues
that he has, kind of having his moment to farewell,

(01:01:08):
say goodbye.

Speaker 17 (01:01:09):
I think so. And it's you know, there must be
a temptation to stay on the road as long as possible. Clearly,
like the touring lifestyle does not work once once you
kind of reach this level of complications. But you know,
it's it's no coincidence of this event is for three charities.
It's for Cure Parkinson's, for Birmingham Children's Hospital and for

(01:01:30):
Acorn's Children's Hospice. Very much an attempt to pay tribute,
not to not just to Ossie, but give something back
to the to the city he's from and recognize the
challenges that he's faced with his own health.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
I mentioned Lord just before and how well that album's doing.
Do you think that's pretty impressive?

Speaker 17 (01:01:49):
Yeah, absolutely, Along with the stats you've mentioned, it was
the Spotify global top album debut. It was the biggest
ever Spotify streaming day for Lord on release day. So
these are all you know, this is all setting up
this phase phase of activity really well. I mean of
the kind of niggles that have emerged in this roll out.
The problems with the transparent CD not playing properly is

(01:02:10):
probably the only the only haircup in the last week.
It's a really nice idea to have a c through CD,
but it seems according to the reporting that it might
it might not be compatible with all CD players.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
I think it's really cute people still buying CDs.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Oh, it's great.

Speaker 17 (01:02:25):
Yeah, and it's very I think it's kind of generational
that I can imagine a large proportion of Lord's fan
base exactly the age that are kind of discovering that
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
They're coming back, aren't they. They're sort of coming back
the CDs big time.

Speaker 17 (01:02:38):
So yeah, BBC and Rolling Stone, a bunch of other
outlets are reported on this. It does seem relatively well documented,
but as yet it doesn't seem like there's been any
formal response to that. But you know, if you can
make recyclable transparen CDs and they work good on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
You, Yeah no, I've never seen one before. I've got
a transparent vinyl.

Speaker 17 (01:02:58):
Yeah absolutely, I'm not a not a fan. Actually, to
be perfectly honest, like I like my things traditional. Let's
go a black vinyl and a CD that in your car.
I'm going to hop back in the car shortly and
finished watching the show. If you want to catch up
on this insane lineup of metal legends, you can buy these.

Speaker 18 (01:03:18):
You can.

Speaker 17 (01:03:19):
You can buy a stream of Back to the Beginning.
It'll be available for the next forty eight hours.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
So please please don't get in the car and drive
and watch them.

Speaker 17 (01:03:28):
Oh no, I'm I'm going to be the guy sitting
in the car headbanging viciously.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
I love it.

Speaker 17 (01:03:33):
And you know, I think a Sunday, maybe a Sunday
afternoon is the perfect toast watch a bunch of black Sabbath. Yeah,
black Sabeth covers have been scattered all through this lineup
as well. This is a true tribute show to the
inventors of a significantly enormous genre. Seventy five million records, Black.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Sabbath, amazing granks. Thank you so much, Steve. We will
catch up next week. Right, does eating cheese give you
crazy dreams? We're going to get to the bottom of
this cheese issue. Is it or is it not? A myth?
Twenty five to eleven, it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Doctor Michelle Dickinson joins us now with her science study
of the week. This is fascinating because it's always been
I never knew whether it was a bit of an
urban myth, you know that if you eat cheese it's
gonna give you nightmares or not. So I'm pleased at
somebody's decided to look unto us.

Speaker 19 (01:04:28):
Well, they've looked into it, but they still don't know.
So this is a great science paper. It's published this
week in the journal Frontiers in Psychology, and it's basically
looking into the myth that you shouldn't eat cheese before
bed because it gives you nightmares. You've heard that myth,
I've hit that myth. I don't know if it's true
or not.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
So they took a.

Speaker 19 (01:04:43):
Thousand volunteers and they interviewed them about their sleep, their dreams,
they're eating habits, and they did find that people reported
to be having nightmares if they'd eaten cheese before they
went to bed. But they also then found that the
people that did that suffered from lactose intolerance, right, so
there was definitely a color. So basically, yes, if you

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have lactose intolerance, which means that you can't digests dairy
very well, usually gives you an upset tummy or tummy
ache or anything like that, then you are more likely
to suffer from nightmares if you eat it before you
go to bed. But what was interesting is this was
based on it They took some research from twenty fifteen
where in twenty fifteen, one hundred percent like cheese and
nightmares were correlated. But what they said is that since

(01:05:27):
twenty fifteen, more people have become more aware about food intolerances,
and so the chances are now if you're around today.
And these were young people that are interviewed, so university
age students you're more likely to avoid the thing that
you're intolerant for and therefore less likely, so that the
whole bias of the data has shifted. So that needs
to be correlated. But they said, yes, it's probably from

(01:05:47):
if you have lactose intolerance, you have gastro intestral discomfort.
So a common result of that is that if you
are going to sleep and then you have tummy ache,
you're going to have these micro arousals during your sleep,
which is going to enhance the fact that you remember
your sleep, and also it's going to increase the intensity
and the unpleasantness of your dreams. So yes, also these

(01:06:08):
tummy issues might elevate your baseline anxiety level, so you
might go to bed.

Speaker 8 (01:06:12):
Going, oh, I've had some cheese.

Speaker 19 (01:06:14):
Oh, it's going to be a problem tonight, and then
you go in to sleep anxious, which is also likely
to give you nightmares. But what they also said is
there's another hypothesis, which is maybe if you're not lactose intolerance,
there is a natural compound in age cheese called tyramine,
and we know that it's known to produce a release
of neu adrenaline, which is a neurotransmitter which is implicated

(01:06:37):
in ram sleep and dream modification, So there might be
a chemical reason why all of us might have nightmares
after having our cheese. But then they were like, well,
you're probably just blaming cheese because there's this urban myth
that cheese causes you nightmare, so you're probably more likely
to remember that you had a nightmare after you ate cheese,
and then tie the two together because what they actually

(01:06:58):
found is you're more likely to have a nightmare or
poor sleep if you go to bed with a full
stomach of fatty and rich foods. Cheese is one of those,
but they also said so are a bunch of other things.
If you're eating late night pizza, if you're having like
lots of rich, chocolatey, moosy desserts, like basically, if it's
fatty rich before you go to bed, it's likely to
cause your tummy problems, which is more likely to make

(01:07:18):
you remember dreams. And maybe you're having bad dreams because
you're waking up more often. So does cheese give you nightmares?
Possibly if you're lactose intolerant. Possibly it's just you're going
to bed on a full tummy. If you're a regular
person who isn't l like toast in tolerant. There is
no definite answer here, but basically what it says is,
if you don't want nightmares, don't go to bed on
a full tummy, and if your lactose intolerance, stop eating

(01:07:39):
the cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
I love it. Thank you so much, Michelle. And speaking
of Chase, Mike vender Elson believes that the commercial kitchen
has killed the caach. So he is Beck today He's
bringing it Beck with a three cheese French kiche. It
is eighteen to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
The Sunday Session Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by
News Talks it Bee.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Mike vender Elsen, our resident schiff is with us. Now,
Good morning, good morning. I love the fact we've just
been talking about whether you know too much cheese before
dinner gives you nightmares. And now we're going to give
everybody an opportunity to really test it out with the
beautiful three cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
French cache and then go to sleep afterwards.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Yeah, throw on all the cheese at this. Why do
you believe that the commercial kitchen has killed the keiche?

Speaker 20 (01:08:28):
I think they've ripped it's two things. It's the pastry.
I think commercial pastries in regards to puff pastries, Yeah,
they're no longer using butter, they're using commercial margarines. And
you know when you go to eat a cold cache
that's been made with a commercial pastry and also the
filling that it's lacking flavor, it's lacking seasoning, it's lacking love,

(01:08:51):
it's lacking that real kind of bite into a warm
keche it's just come out of the oven that you've
made yourself. It is something of beauty, it really is.
Where if you bite into something that you've just brought
from the supermarket and nothing gave them to them, what.

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
Do you get? You get nothing?

Speaker 20 (01:09:08):
You get emptiness.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Right, So let's make our own take us through. Three
cheese French keiche.

Speaker 20 (01:09:14):
So we made this yesterday for a farm shop and
this was probably the one we made like six five
different keiches, and this one went flying out the door.
So three cheese French keiche. Wow, Keisha's French anyway, So
I just put that French word in there because the
all blacks are right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
No, you can make.

Speaker 20 (01:09:32):
Your own pastry, or you can go out and you
could just you could buy some, but if you try
and get a good one, there are different puff pastries
and savory pastries out there, so try and go for
one that has butter in it or authentic ingredients that
you recognize. Take a twenty six centimeter flan or keish tin.
Sometimes the tins are bigger than the piece of puff pastries,

(01:09:55):
so just join two pieces together and press down the
join so that it's all pretty much the same thickness.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
All the way through.

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
You could always just roll over it with.

Speaker 20 (01:10:05):
A rolling pin. So grease your tin. Turn your oven
on first one hundred and eighty degrees. I'm going to
run through this recipe. This is how easy it kish
is to make twenty six centimeter tint.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Grease it.

Speaker 20 (01:10:16):
Take your puff pastry lad and push it into the corners,
push it into all the crinkles that are on the
side of the tin. Then take a piece of greaseproof paper,
lay that into the tin on top of your pastry,
and then you want to weight that down. So we're
going to do what we call blind bake, where we're
going to actually bake the casing of that flantern to

(01:10:37):
make it nice and crispy when you eat it. So
we blind bake it. So we put a piece of
greasebrief over it, and then we weight it down. That
weighting can be anything like I generally have some chickpeas
that I use and it weights it down while it's
baking and it stops it from rising up. And then
just keep those chickpeas as you're baking chickpiece, So fire
that into the oven. I'm going to leave that in

(01:10:58):
there with the chickpeas in there for twenty minutes. After
that time, pull it out, take the greasbeef paper out,
and just allow it to cool. So that's your tasting done.
And now we make up the filling. I've got six eggs,
one cup of cream be actually be My wife goes,
she goes, one cup of cream to two eggs.

Speaker 11 (01:11:16):
I was like, jeepers good.

Speaker 20 (01:11:17):
That's getting pretty expensive going by the prices of cream now.
So I'm gonna go sex and one, mix it together
a little bit of salt pepper, and then fire them
into the bottom of your blind baked tin or blind
baked flan case and then go in with the cheeses.
So this is a really good way to use up
cheesess that I kind of hanging around the back of
the fridge going hello, I'm still here.

Speaker 11 (01:11:37):
I'm still alive.

Speaker 20 (01:11:38):
Camember gorganzol a tasty cheese, any cheese, really parmesan, goats
cheese fetter fired and sprinkled over. Put your flaning case
back into the oven one eighty. That's going to take
a thirty between twenty five to thirty minutes, and then.

Speaker 21 (01:11:55):
Pull that out.

Speaker 20 (01:11:56):
Just let it cool episode slightly before you cut it
and serve away.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Thank you so much, Mike. You can get that recipe
good from scratched dot coto insead or from news tog
zv dot coda inzaid old slash Sunday grab a cover.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudgin and we'd calls
for the best selection of gras U's talks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
That'd be right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
A few weeks ago, on Winter Solstice, I had a
lovely swim at Takapuna Beach. I do love a cold
water swim, but what are the actual benefits of cold
water therapy. I'm joined by Kent Johnson our Wellness section. Now.
Kent does a certified health and mental well being coach
and nutritional counselor at Kent John's Health. Are you a
fan of cold water therapy and a lovely winter swim

(01:12:40):
kent Hi Francisca.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
I actually am and I got into this.

Speaker 22 (01:12:44):
I reckon probably three three and a half years ago,
and what I found was that year there is a
lot of good science behind why just cold therapy or
cold exposure is great, but it doesn't really matter if
you can feel the benefits yourself. So that's what I
tell people, Hey, don't even worry too much about what
the science are saying. Get in there, give it a crack,
and then you'll work out whether you enjoy it or not.

(01:13:06):
Most people the answer is yes, even though at the
time it may not feel like it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
I know, well, I mean it's very easy to say.

Speaker 20 (01:13:13):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
There are a lot of people around the country who
do it, and I'm much more impressed with those who
do it at La Topul or in Wellington or in Queenstown.
I hear, yeah doing it like a lot of people
have touched based on me. That's brave, to be honest
with you. If you're in Auckland or for the North, Yeah,
it's a little chili, but it's kind of manageable, wasn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:13:30):
Yeah, it is the water temperature at the moment is around,
you know, for most of the North Island anyway, it's
about fourteen to fifteen degrees. Normally in the summer the
water would be twenty one twenty two degrees. So even
if you jumped into the ocean now Francisca and you'll
be thinking, okay, this is not like an ice bath,
you will still notice how cold that water is, even
for or four minutes. So the benefits are still there

(01:13:53):
even if you're not jumping into an ice cold sort
of you know, freezer like temperature, even fourteen fifteen degrees
is really good for you. It helps reduce your inflammation,
good for stress, good for your mood. It lowers your
heart rate. I was pretty a bit tense. I think
a week or so ago my heart rate was up
quite high. I can't remember what it was. It was
some form of stress. I thought, you know what, I'm

(01:14:13):
going to walk down to the beach, jump in the
ocean and see what happens, just as a bit of
a thought experiment. Jumped in for three minutes, looked at
my heart rateed and come down into the seventies. So
the benefits are pretty quick and normally you feel great
five ten fifteen minutes after you get out. Can you
be brave enough to give it a crack, even a
cold chower for thirty seconds, you'll feel good afterwards.

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
For most people it can be worth it just to
give it a try.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
That's interesting. I find it easier to walk into the
ocean in winter than turn my shower at home to
cold at the end.

Speaker 22 (01:14:43):
Yeah, I'm the same as you, and I reckon it's
because when you're at silde Chow you've got the air.

Speaker 5 (01:14:49):
It's not as it's not quite as nice as being
out in the actual immersion of a swim. Plus of
course when you're at the beach you've got the natural
kind of environment which is really soothing and really good
for you, whereas in the shower you're like, oh my.

Speaker 22 (01:15:02):
God, it's too tending. You go to hot or go
back to warm. My tip for that, Francesca, for people
want to have a crack at a cold shower, just
start with thirty seconds at the end of your shower.
Don't force yourself to do three or four minutes cold.
Try thirty seconds to start with. Have a time if
you need it. And what I found works really well
is rather than going from a nice warm ambient temperature
to cold, turn it up to hot. So have yourself

(01:15:24):
a hot shower for a little while, because then you'll
be thinking, oh, you know what, I'm ready now for
some cold. Then switch it round to cold, even for
thirty seconds, you'll feel great when you get out.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
It's worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
I will give it a try and look if you're
in the if you are sort of outdoors in the
ocean or in a lake or something, I try and
do ten minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Is that kind of then's great. I went for one
in Fongamite yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
The water was really cold.

Speaker 22 (01:15:48):
I did six or seven minutes and I felt I
felt the benefits from that. The key is to get
yourself relaxed and calm when you're out there, and the
best way to do that is to breathe through your nose.
So you know, when you're like, you find yourself breathing
through your mouth and your tents. Just if you can
breathe through your nose within sixty to ninety seconds, you
will calm yourself down. You can actually endure the cold,

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and that's when you can stay out there for longer
and get the real benefit from that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Love it Kent, Thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (01:16:16):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
That's something to do with the kids these holidays. If
they're annoying, you take them for a cold water swim.
I'll tell you what goes down, well not. It is
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Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Can you believe it's twenty years since Outrageous Fortune hit
our screens? Ten years since we're side two of our
most popular and loved TV shows. Stars of both, Antonia
Prebble has kind of grown up on our screens. She
remains a very sought after actress, but to these days
she's also working on creating and writing shows and juggling motherhood,
and she has a podcast, and she's learned a bit

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over the years, and she is with us next to
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Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Antonia Prepple has basically grown up on our TV screens.
She was a childhood actress and host of after school
show WNTV, but it was twenty years ago this week
that I think she really hit the big time incredibly.
This week marks the twentieth anniversary of the first episode
of Outrageous Fortune. We all fell in love with the
Wests and Antonia as the young Loretta. Antonia has also

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got some exciting personal projects on the go, including new
episodes of her podcast What Matters Most and Tonia Preple
Good morning.

Speaker 12 (01:18:56):
Good morning, Oh so nice to talk to you. Thank
you for that lovely introduction.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Can you believe it's twenty years this Saturday since we
met the Wests.

Speaker 12 (01:19:05):
I cannot believe it. One of the things that is
most kind of wild and hard to compute in my
brain is that I was twenty when I started gun right,
and I have just turned forty one, so it was
literally half my life ago and That is just so
wild to me. To think that I had as many

(01:19:26):
years of life pre doing out Rageous Fortune as I
have post doing out Ragis fort tune is just crazy
because of you know, the first twenty years of my
life feel like they were interminable, you know, the growing
up time, and then the last two years feel like
they've raced by it. So the fact that they're the
same length of time just makes me feel really weird.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
No, I get that. What did the show do for you?

Speaker 12 (01:19:48):
Oh gosh, it just changed my life in so many ways,
both professionally and personally. Like as you mentioned in your
lovely introduction, I had been acting a bit before that,
but I was mainly doing children's TV shows, So this
was my firs adult show, And because it went for

(01:20:09):
so long, it actually kind of saw me through that
potentially difficult transition from child to grown up actor. You
know a lot of actors who start really young, they
just kind of get caught in this in between stage
because everyone just thinks of them as a child actor
even though they're now twenty six or something. But I
was on Outrageous from when I was twenty to twenty six,
so I came out of that show like a grown

(01:20:32):
up Acdar and people kind of accepted me as that,
so I never had that problem. And then, of course,
when west Side was written the prequel to Outrageous Fortune,
which I subsequently did for another six years, and I
got together with my husband on that show, we had
our first baby. You know, now we have two kids,
So it just changed my life so much. But yeah,

(01:20:53):
if I had known that from that first day on
set in two thousand and five playing Leretta, that I
would be a member of the west family for the
next twelve years and that I would meet my husband
as part of this kind of you, yeah, I mean
I would have told you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
You've got to appreciate that opportunity, right, I mean, you know,
a show that comes along, well, two shows that come
along that are so loved in, things that are able
to keep you employed for such a period of time,
and there's always so much happening in them, and I'm
sure they keept you very stimulated as an actor as well.

Speaker 12 (01:21:25):
You're absolutely right. And I think also, you know, because
times in terms of the industry have changed a lot
as well, so in a way, it was sort of
the golden age of to be part of a show
like that, because like unheard of things happened. For example,
we were given funding for our next season before we'd
even finished the current one, and that is just unheard of.

(01:21:47):
And I imagine even now, even if a show was
doing well, just because if the kind of financial structures
have changed, that would never happen. And so we were
you know, an acting life is a precarious one at best,
but we had these few years of literally knowing what
our next job was going to be because we knew
that the show was just going to continue. And also

(01:22:07):
back in those days, it was really common to have
many many episodes of a season. So for example, in
season one we started with thirteen episodes and by season four,
I think we were up to like twenty two, and
that just doesn't happen now. Like if we think of
all the limited series that we no and like they're
usually like six, eight, maybe ten. So just to have

(01:22:28):
this size of job, this number of episodes, was such
a gift because, as you say, we just got to
keep doing it and playing these characters who got themselves
into extraordinary situations. So yeah, it was really stimulating.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
So then what's that like for you when that all ends.

Speaker 12 (01:22:47):
Yeah, and it really did kind of really end because
the final season of West Side was over our COVID lockdouts,
you know, which well, you know, we started before that
six week first lockdown, and then we finished it after that,
and then of course we had the big lockdown in
Auckland after that. So it really did feel like it

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the door really slammed shut because after that, you know,
the film industry was in quite a difficult time that
it's still really recovering from. So work definitely slowed down
quite significantly. Personally, I feel quite insulated from that because
I was having my children at the same time, so
it was it felt like a really natural time for

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me to be stepping back a bit from professional commitments
and focusing on my kids and on domestic life for
a few years. So yeah, I was okay, but I
know some of the other my other cast members did
find it really difficult. And there's this thing in the
industry called the post show blues, and that's when you
finished this really intense time and then it all stops

(01:23:50):
that you can, you know, feel a bit down and
a bit sort of like, oh what do I do
with myself?

Speaker 11 (01:23:54):
Now?

Speaker 12 (01:23:54):
I've been used to getting up at five am and
working for twelve hours for the last six months. But
for me, I was still getting up at five I
think dealing with little children, so it was not so
bad for me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
It was good timing. So timing is quite important in
this industry, you know, sort of being in the right
place at the right time, you know, can play a part.

Speaker 12 (01:24:15):
Oh, it really can. And I mean the funny thing
about this industry is that it's all about creation, right,
So you literally don't know what your next job is
because that job hasn't been created yet, and it's just
this amazing synergy that can happen sometimes when like, for example, Loretta,
I was twenty years old playing a fifteen year old

(01:24:38):
in that and you know, I think everyone, you know,
if they've seen me interviews or whatever, would see that
I'm quite different from Loretta, but there was some kind
of synergy with that character. Like because I actually first,
funnily enough audition for Pascal, and I did a terrible audition.
I was really not good at Pascal. But then I

(01:24:59):
got given the audition for Loretta and I just read
this scene and I was like, I know who this
person is. I just know how to do it, and
I only did one audition, which again is pretty unheard of.
You usually do at least two or three, and then
they gave them their part, and so it was like
exactly like you say, there was just some kind of
kismetch or magic in that timing that I was right
for it or she was right for me at that time.

(01:25:21):
But yeah, if it was a year before or after,
then who knows, maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Not so considering how things are today and things, does
this drive you to create your own characters in your
own work?

Speaker 12 (01:25:32):
It does? Actually, Yeah, lockdown again for me was a
really interesting time to use that much overused word pivot
and think about other opportunities because you know, at that stage,
we really didn't know what the future was going to
be and if you know, international travel was ever going
to be possible again, and so I think we were

(01:25:52):
all grappling with the possibility that our lives, or our
professional lives, might be quite a lot smaller, perhaps purely
limited to New Zealand or maybe Australasia. So yeah, So
my husband Dan is a writer, so which is very
handy for me. So we did start developing our own
projects over COVID and we've continued to do that. None

(01:26:13):
of them have actually happened yet, but a few were
close to happening. But I find that really really interesting
and stimulating, and I'm learning a lot, so it feels
like a great direction to Golwin or you know, to
add a few strings to my bow. And then the
other thing I did in Lockdown, as you mentioned in
your introduction, was yeah, create a podcast. And that has

(01:26:34):
been really great because I'm able to work that around
little children commitments. It's a lot less time to make
a podcast than a TV show.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Oh absolutely. And you do the podcast with your good
friend Jackie Maguire. It's called What Matters Most. It's back
this Friday. What did the two of you hope to
get out of the podcast when you create that?

Speaker 12 (01:26:53):
Yeah, so it's such a special project for us. So
Jackie and I we did for the first year of
your baby's lives. You can do this course at play
Center called Space and it's four new moms and new babies.
And Jackie and I were in the Space, the same
Space group. So you know, we've had a really long,
long friendship with each other in a really formative one

(01:27:15):
over those you know, early difficult years with babies and
then I actually had originally had a podcast of my own,
and Jackie, as a clinical psychologist, had it hurt her
own one, but we had the same producer, and it
was actually our producer's idea knowing that we were friends
and both having podcasts, and said why don't.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
We kind of stated the obvious almost.

Speaker 12 (01:27:34):
Exactly, and we were like, oh, yeah, that's a way
better idea than the ones we're doing. So yeah, we
we got together and yeah, this is our fourth season
coming up on Friday, And what we really wanted is
to have it feel like everyone listening is kind of
like having a cup of tea with us, if that
makes sense. So we wanted like a really kind of open, casual,

(01:27:57):
intimate feeling to really kind of celebrate the friendship that
we have as well. So it's not like a like
Jackie's a clinical psychologist, but we wanted these conversations to
be anything but clinical, and it's really to give information
to people listening that it's kind of like the therapy that
we all need in our everyday lives. So we're talking

(01:28:19):
about like in this upcoming season, for example, it's a
but we talk about things like perfectionism or why we
have a need to control things, or how to set
boundaries and why that might be difficult, or how to
cope with the reality that you might not be exactly
where you thought you would be in your life at
this particular moment. So it's those kind of everyday issues

(01:28:42):
that we talk about. And Jackie, she just has such
a gift at taking quite complex psychological topics and explaining
them in ways that we can understand. So I sort
of take the role of the listener, you know, I'm
I'm picking her brain and her expertise, and I mean,
I feel like I'm the luckiest person in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Just getting free therapy.

Speaker 12 (01:29:03):
And you know, I know, well I thought my friend
Dan get three free therapy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
It all sounds so relevant. Can I ask you, are
you where you thought you would be at this point
in your life?

Speaker 12 (01:29:15):
It's such a good question, and I was actually that
not where I thought I would be. Topic was one
that I suggested we do because for me, So I
turned forty last year and I don't know if you
can relate to this, but me and my peers, you know,
who are all around that forty mark. It feels like
when you approach a significant milestone birthday, it is the

(01:29:37):
time when you reflect on your life and you go, Okay,
I've had those particular goals and dreams, and I really
thought that they'd be happening right by now. Because for me, again,
I really feel like when I turned forty, I couldn't
deny the fact that I was now a grown up
and my life was actually happening now, you know, like
it wasn't this thing in the future or I was

(01:29:59):
like building up to my real life, Like it really
is happening now. So if things aren't being realized, really,
now's the time to kind of take a long look
at that. And so, yeah, in some ways, I'm so
happy with where things are in my life, but absolutely
in other areas, I'm not where I thought I would be.
I don't like, for example, I'm so incredibly grateful for

(01:30:23):
the career i have, but I think when I was younger,
I assumed that perhaps by now i'd be working more internationally.
And so that is something to kind of, you know,
grapple with. And yeah, Jackie gives some really really and
I think it's a really common thing, like a lot
of my friends feeling the same way, and whether that's professionally,
personally if they're married or not have children or not.

(01:30:44):
You know, all those big life expectations that we might
have for ourselves, and of course things always go in
a different way, and it's how can we kind of
have compassion for ourselves and enjoy where we are, even
if it's not exactly where we thought we would be.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Oh, I'm absolutely going to be listening very quickly. Though
you are working on an international production at the moment.
I don't know if you can tell us much about it.

Speaker 12 (01:31:05):
Yes, yeah, I I think I can tell you what
it is. It's cool. Well, look, I'm just gonna that's great.
It's called ms X and it's a show for TV three.
It's like a black comedy or comedy drama. And it's
starring Melissa George.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Do you know, yes, the Australian Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:31:23):
I mean I have loved her since Home and Away
playing Angel Iconic, so I've really loved working with her.
Deno Gorman's also and it's Simone Kessel and yeah, it's
really fun. I probably can't say too much about my
character other than she is an absolute delight, very different
from anything I've played before, the opposite of like a

(01:31:45):
Laretta and Rita. But I've just had the most fun.
She's quite she's quite ridiculous in some ways, so I'm
really looking forward to people meeting her.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Oh I love it. Hey, Antonia, really nice to talk
to you. Thank you so much for your time today.
Really appreciate it. What matters most. Will be returning this Friday.
You can find it on all podcast platforms and hey, look,
I noticed if you're if you've just loved Outrageous Fortune,
there is actually if you happen to be in Auckland
and in conversation with the show's creator Rachel Lang and
James Griffin. It is happening on Friday, the eighteenth of July.

(01:32:18):
Just google it. Of course, it's happening out in West
Auckland and Henderson. Drinks and nibbles are included in the
ticket price. I think it would be a fascinating chat
if you're a huge fan of the show. It is
twenty one past eleven. Up next, we've got the panel.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Sunday with Style, the Sunday Session with Francesca Runkin and Wiggles.
For the best selection of Greg Reeds please talk Sibby.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Right before last hour we were talking to Kent John's
about cold water therapy. If you want a bit of inspiration,
somebody text me to say, check out the Martariki Swims
twenty twenty five on Facebook the most amount of joy.
Apparently our group does swim year round. It's a even
point four in Wellington right now. I'm presuming that's the
temperature of the ocean's chili. I'm very impressed by you all,

(01:33:08):
So look, you know, if you want a bit of inspiration,
check out the Facebook page. Right It is time now
for the panel, and I'm joined by Coast Day host
Lorna Riley. Hi, Lorna, good morning, and also managing director
at eight one eight Chris Henry.

Speaker 6 (01:33:22):
How are you, Chris oh Kurda.

Speaker 23 (01:33:24):
I'm well, thank you. I'm actually down in top War
today and hearing your talk about the cold water plunge.
I'm like, oh am, I momentarily inspired, but it does
look very.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
I love the way you recognized that you would you
were only inspired momentarily. You know, I'll go on, do
go on and get in there. It'll it'll it'svigorating, it
will make you feel great, Chris. I expect to hear
all about it next time we talkay, guys, let's start
up by talking about the Victoria Park New World. Of course,

(01:33:55):
that was destroyed by fire. It was well destroyed. We
knew that. And what's happened now is that Foodstuffs North
Island has decided that it's going to be shut for
a couple of years. Is you know, we're not really
sure what's going to happen there, and it's staff pretty
much face redundancy. Some of them may be employed at

(01:34:15):
another supermarket which is planning to open in a month
or so. But everybody's pretty disappointed about this, and I
think we all completely understand why. You've got people who
think that they're in solid, reliable employment, they're really good
at their jobs, they work hard, and then, out of
the blue, no fault of your own, you find that
you're being made redundant. It feels tough, Launa, But what

(01:34:40):
are the what other option does a supermarket have? Do
you think?

Speaker 21 (01:34:44):
Yeah, look, no doubt this is a tragedy for everybody involved,
including the franchise owners of the store. We all hate
supermarkets too, and we hate the way they make massive
profits of us. But if you look at this pragmatically,
I mean, I worked for a radio station. That's the
business reasons got closed down. Suddenly, I found myself redundant

(01:35:06):
happens in business. It's not feasible to keep paying these
staff for another two years or more into the future.
I think there are a lot of optics on this.
So if they can't redeploy people at the early opening
point shed store or the supply and distribution centers which
have been mentioned as well, then I think maybe if
they publicly make a statement that they're going to support

(01:35:27):
the staff to say, maybe three months before the redundancy
kicks in or something like that, that that I think
would keep everybody happy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
I mean, I'm sure Chris that they've had indemnity insurance
that will help compensate and pay the wages while you know,
from the loss and things, the damages and the loss
until the decision was made. I doubt that that would
go on and you know, indefinitely for two years. So what,
you know, what other option do they have? I mean,
I see that, you know, the union's sort of pretty

(01:35:57):
just pretty shocked by the proposal, but I I'm not
entirely sure what they thought might happen. I mean, I
think they should make the best iff that they can
to employ them somewhere.

Speaker 23 (01:36:04):
Else, and if there is a silver lining on it,
the fact that they're about to open a brand new
supermarket not very far from where this surfer market was
should be seen as a bit of a godsend in
terms of this. But I mean, my thoughts go out
to them. I know that we'll all feel the same.
We've all worked in the vicinity of the surfer market
for years and years and it's one of those surf

(01:36:25):
markets that had some very recognizable characters that have been
there lessons if it's moved to walk On over twenty
years ago, so it'll be a huge change for them.
But I do hope that with us opening of the
new Points she Have super market, they'll be able to
move to the are And yeah, it's sad all around,
but very inevitable.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
I'm sure that they've already employed a lot of people
for the new Point Chief supermarket. That might be the
only problem.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
True.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Okay, headline in the paper there is no safe amount
of process meat to eat according to new research. So
basically there was strong evidence that there is no safe
amount of process meat to eat. And this is they're
looking at the connection between diet and the risk of
made diseases including cancer and type two diabetes and heart

(01:37:10):
disease and everything, and basically saying the risk increased is
consumption increase and for process meat consumption there is no
safe amount. They repeat this quite often in the article Laurna.
And I'm at the point now where when I see
these articles, I think we're going around talking about diet

(01:37:30):
and nutrition wrong. I think most people know you should
need a lot of food, and I think every time
we tell people what not to eat, we're missing an
opportunity to try and tell them what they should be eating,
and that we'd all be a lot more interested in
reading that article.

Speaker 21 (01:37:46):
Well, yeah, I mean I don't need a lot of
process meat these days. As a kid, though, you know,
we'd all have those lunch and sausage sandwiches, ham steaks
once a week, hot dogs, that kind of thing. My
teenage daughter still loves their ham for toasted sandwiches and
things like that. So yeah, it's alarming when you read
this type two diabetes cancer risk heightened. And you know,
I've had cancer twice, so I take notice of headlines

(01:38:10):
like this. But I can't be a hypocrite either. I
like the odd drink. The alcohol link between alcohol and
touch two diabetes cancer is just as strong, if not
more so, than for processed meat. And I think it's
simply everything in moderation. If you eat processed meat morning, noon,
and night, yes you're going to be at risk. But

(01:38:31):
if it's an occasional thing, yeah, I think it's a
little alarmist.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Chris reading headlines and stories like this, does it change
your eating habits?

Speaker 10 (01:38:39):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:38:40):
I wouldn't say it changes my eating habits. I mean,
Laurena's right, we all know what a good diet should
look like. But sometimes when you read these articles, you're like,
oh God, they're really coming for everything, aren't they. If
someone's going to take away a little hot dog at
the end of a end of a skill fear, I mean,
what about the joy that it gives in your life
and how much extra being happy adds to your lifespan.

(01:39:02):
I mean, again, everything in moderation, But I wouldn't mind
be able to have a hot dog or two in
my life.

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
There is a balance, isn't there. I mean, we can
have a healthy and sensible diet and we want that
to be a pattern and a habit and things and
then you throw a few treats in there because it does.
You're right there. You've got to you've got to way
up that whole balance between having some happiness, enjoying life,
and the occasional but of salami, right, you know, Okay,
we all sort of tend to agree on that. Hey,

(01:39:29):
coming up next, we are going to talk to our
travel correspondent who had been in Los Angeles and she
had encountered the driverless taxi in Santa Monica. Now, I've
heardered this happening to quite a few people. They order
a taxi and everything, and I think this was the
way mo one and they turn up and you look

(01:39:52):
and there's no one in there. Do you get in, Lorna?
Have you encountered this in your travels? I know you're
a well traveled.

Speaker 21 (01:39:58):
Woman, haven't. I haven't, But some good friends have, and
although they said it's extremely unnerving, they had a great experience.
There are all sorts of benefits, of course, of these
drivers taxis not least of all the cost of the
consumer of a taxi ride. I don't know. I mean,
I've had some pretty hair raising rides with local cab
drivers in Italy and the like. But they kind of

(01:40:21):
know the local system where there seems to be no
perceivable road rules, they still seem to make their way
through roundabouts in Nepal that are just full of traffic,
and you're just like, who knows where to go? The
locals know how to drive. I'm not sure that a
driverless car would be able to make it through those

(01:40:41):
hot spots.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
Lorna raises a good point, Chris, I mean we could lose.
That could be a whole job that just I mean,
it's a whole job that could potentially disappear. But the
other thing you can't do is tell them the way
you think is the best way to get from A
to B.

Speaker 23 (01:40:55):
No, look the idea of it. I like to think
that I'm progressive when it comes to technology AI I'm
interested in it at all, But when it comes to being
in a car, I think i'd like a human at
the front. I suppose the only advantage to it is
you're not going to have that annoying taxi chatter. I
can't imagine that the way most chatting back are asking
you how your night's been, So maybe that could be
an advantage to it that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
These days I find I think that most Uber drivers,
they get and they check who you are, and then
they're more than happy not to check, just to get
you from A to B without having to chat. Sort of.
It's like, you know when you go to the hear
dress of these days and you can actually sort of
if you book, you can click a button that says
I don't want to talk in the appointment, or I
do want to talk. You know, you can talk to

(01:41:37):
me in the appointment. I just feel like Uber drivers
these days have just gone immediately to we don't.

Speaker 5 (01:41:41):
Chat once you do get somebody.

Speaker 23 (01:41:47):
Yeah, it can be a challenge to beending on how
far are you going?

Speaker 21 (01:41:50):
Sure? Just knowing you, Chris, I would suggest that perhaps
you're the one leading the chat.

Speaker 23 (01:41:58):
I'm definitely I'm definitely bad at finishing a conversation. I
always like to have the last.

Speaker 5 (01:42:02):
You might be right there. I feel very seen by this.

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
I think you might be right there too. Launa really
love you to talk to you both. That was Coast
Day host Launa Riley and managing director at eight one
eight Publicity. Chris Henry is twenty five to twelf up
next Jason Pine. We will be talking all blacks and
all the other Sport, which has been taking place this weekend.
You're with News Talks at B.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at B.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
Did you taking me?

Speaker 8 (01:42:36):
How would you name me?

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
To the Janey.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Coming up at midday Jason Pine with Weekend Sport and
he joins me, Now, good morning, good morning. Did you
enjoy the game last night All Black verses France and Dunedin.

Speaker 18 (01:42:51):
I always enjoy All Blacks Test well, most of the time,
I do. Yeah, I love being in Dunedin. I love
this city. I have to go back home today, which
is a bit of a shame, but I but I'm
looking forward to unpacking what happened last night with our
very learned audience. Look, the All Blacks are never perfect
in the first test of a year, are they. They
could have easily actually lost that game last night. At

(01:43:13):
the end France had the ball inside our twenty two
and it was some good All Blacks defense that repelled them.
But yeah, there's a few work.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
Ons, there's there's plenty to chat about. But how long
has that French team been playing together?

Speaker 5 (01:43:24):
Not very long?

Speaker 18 (01:43:25):
Yeah, yeah, eight debutantes, eight debutantes in that twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
Yeah, I mean the whole kind of Oh it's the
first I mean, yes, it is. You've got to be realistic.
It's going to take a few games probably to find
their feet and get together. But I you know, it's
not like a hugely experienced we've been playing together for
ever French team caman.

Speaker 18 (01:43:40):
You know, no, I think, and I think you know,
any any any team that gets you know, I guess
I don't know what the word is disrespected, probably by
by the place that they go to play, will probably
grow a leg or two. I think, you know, French
rugby is pretty deep. I think that's what we can
take from last night that there, even though they're missing

(01:44:02):
a bunch of their best players, there are a new
wave coming through. I must say, though, I never really
felt like the All Blacks were going to lose. Much
as I said before, they could have lost. It never
felt like they were going to lose the game. To me,
three disallowed tries and I think at least one of
them is highly questioned them all. The other two I'm
okay with. But just that there's got to be a

(01:44:24):
better way than There's got to be a better way
than all that. TMO interference, and I know that was
getting the wrath of the people last night.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Look, my mother text me the chat. What time was
it last night? Get rid of the TMO? I say,
what's the point of having a reff? And I did
have a little giggle to myself, and I did think,
and I did think, well, that's the way we feel
when it's going against us. When it's going position, we're
a little bit more relaxing. I didn't have a Google
about that. I thought Will Jordan was totally on the
money with his postgame comment when he said, thirty one

(01:44:54):
points for a really happy with that twenty seven points
given away. We need to do something work on defense.
I think he was right. I think it sums up
the game pretty well.

Speaker 18 (01:45:01):
He's encapsulated it brilliantly. What a player too. By the way,
Will Jordan, that's forty tries in forty two games. It's
an incredible strike rate. The All Blacks record is forty
nine by Dug Howlett. He could break that this year.
Will Jordan. There's a bunch of players sort of in
the mid forties who will go past in the next
little while. He will, without doubt be our leading test

(01:45:21):
triscorer when he finishes his career whenever that is. But yeah,
well I thought he was great, Artie Savia relentless. I
thought Fabian Holland the big Lock, had a really promising
debut as well. So yeah, plenty to talk about, plenty
to unpack. We can talk rugby, we can talk officiating,
we can talk whether Dunedin continues to deserve a Test match,
which for me absolutely they did. They do, you know,

(01:45:42):
even with christ Church you know, the flash new venue
up the road coming into action next year. I said
this a number of times yesterday. You've got to give
Dnedain a Test every year in July.

Speaker 8 (01:45:52):
Under a roof, play under a roof.

Speaker 18 (01:45:54):
Yeah, you know, absolutely, it's logical to me. Francesco.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Well, we built a stadium to help house a Rugby
World Cups. Let's play some. You know, it's got to
be some commitment to it. Hey, very quickly, Mary, all
Blacks lost to Scotland just last night, nine twenty six.
We've got the Warriors women's team they're playing this afternoon,
and of course Liam Lawson not the best qualifying. So
it's quite a lot going on.

Speaker 18 (01:46:16):
Isn't there There is a going on and our junior Talbacks.
They are under nineteen basketball team. They lost to the
US and the Semis at their World Cup this morning.
They'll play off for third and fourth against Slovenia tomorrow
morning around three o'clock. New Zealand time chance to have
the best ever finished by a New Zealand team at
a Fever tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
One of our regular listeners says that they saw you
at Emerson's Bar yesterday. Good to hear you in the
pub there. Poney said they were too shy to go
up and say hi, and they make the comment they
are very tall.

Speaker 18 (01:46:44):
I said to a lot of people yesterday who met
me for the first time that people are always very disappointed,
you know. I think they hear a voice and they
construct in their minds what that voice will come from,
and then they're very disappointed when they find out the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Piney, I hear you love you, don't you don't lovely
to talk to you. Poney will be back at midday
with an action packed filled sports show for you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
It is eighteen to twelve the Sunday Session Full show
podcast on iHeartRadio, powered by News Talks at b Travel
with Windy Woo Tours where the world is yours book.

Speaker 24 (01:47:21):
Now this fun, Fun.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
Fun travel time Now. And I'm joined by Megan Singleton,
blogger at large dot. Good morning, Awning, talking Santa Monica today,
and I'm quite intrigued by the self driving way Moo cars,
the taxis that are driving around Los Angeles. Did you
get in one?

Speaker 25 (01:48:00):
I did not get in one. I actually didn't even
know what they were. So I'm standing at the pedestrian
crossing seeing this car that's got like a big whirligig
on top and spinny things on each of the four
lights on all the corners, and going, what the heck
is that? And this lady that was sort of standing
behind me, she just started laughing at me because I
whipped out a camera and started videoing it because it

(01:48:23):
had no driver in it. She said, oh yeah, and
then just driving as taxis, and she just carried on.
I was like, honestly, I fell on my grandmother when
she first discovered the Internet. I just looked at a gobsmack,
filmed the whole thing, and then saw them all the time.
So there's over a hundred of these waymo cars driving
around Los Angeles within one hundred and twenty square miles.

(01:48:46):
I just walked everywhere because I was just in Santa
Monica and they don't actually drive to the airport to
lax so or I would have maybe tried it, But
you know, I was just listening to you guys discuss
it on the panel. I was asking my hotel manager
about them because he rides in them. He said, look,
they're really quite slow because they the speed limit and.

Speaker 21 (01:49:07):
They obey all the rules.

Speaker 25 (01:49:09):
There's no nipping up the inside, laying to duck into
the gap. So he's like, yeah, they're all right, they're affordable.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
Are they compared to another option?

Speaker 25 (01:49:21):
Yeah, well I have. I haven't downloaded the app, but
I've just written up a quick blog post because I
heard you talking about the panel, so my fingers were
whipping over the keyboard. I have put a link to
the app to download it. So it's owned by Google
and Jaguar and Toyota are involved, and you download the
app and you hail it just like an uber. I
don't know the cost. I would say it's very comparable

(01:49:42):
or people wouldn't do it. Might even be cheaper. They
don't have to pay a driver, so I have.

Speaker 21 (01:49:47):
To check that.

Speaker 25 (01:49:49):
But they are ever where they pull in. I watched
another one pull into a gap. Cars are all backed
up beside it. He had put its hazard lights on. A
man popped in the back.

Speaker 21 (01:49:57):
That's another question.

Speaker 25 (01:49:57):
Would you get in the front when you're in the
pasta seit?

Speaker 21 (01:50:01):
Would you get in the back?

Speaker 12 (01:50:02):
I don't know is he in?

Speaker 25 (01:50:03):
The car pulled out and off it went, and the
man went somewhere else, so intriguing, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
And there he went. You had twenty four hours in
Santa Monica. Isn't that long enough?

Speaker 11 (01:50:14):
Suit? No?

Speaker 21 (01:50:15):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 25 (01:50:17):
But it was my probably twelfth visit. It had been
a long time between drinks. I have to say, so
I have really done an overhaul to a blog post.
I've got on fabulous places to eat and drink in
Santa Monica. There's actually in down Third Street Promenade. Some
people will remember that shopping area. There's a lot of
closed up stores. There's a lot of papered over windows.

(01:50:38):
I said to one girl, is this sort of COVID?
And she said, well, no, because sometimes it's just last
week and they're gone, and you don't know if they
popped up somewhere else or that there's no sign to
say we've moved, so it's changed a lot, but I
would say there's a lot of new openings, a lot
of restaurants and bars along with specially because they make
the most of those sunset views over the Pacific Ocean.

(01:50:59):
It's an absolutely divine part of La to Stay. It's
probably my favorite. So I've updated that with some epic
places to visit.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
Brilliant and maybe you can talk us through places to
dine and wine next week. Thank you so much to me.
I can appreciate it. It as twelve to twelve. Now
we all know the name Muhammed al Fayed. Well, according
to a new book, he was a monster and he
presided over a reign of terror during his ownership of Herod.
So we're going to get to the bottom of this next.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
Books with Wiggles for the Best Election of Greek Reads.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
Joe McKenzie, good morning, Hello, and Leegra Goodman has a
book out called Isola.

Speaker 26 (01:51:37):
She does, indeed, and I had not heard of her before,
and I don't know much about her. But this is
one of those historical novels which is based on real
events that are actually scarcely believable. But I understand that
a lot of this actually was true. It takes place
in the sixteenth century where a child named Margerite is
born into enormous wealth, but she's orphaned at the age

(01:51:57):
of three, and a guardian is appointed to look after
her affairs, and his name is Robervarland. He's a cousin
of hers, and over the next several year as she
grows up, he methodically steals her entire fortune, so when
she becomes of age, she finds that she's completely destitute
and her only option is to rely on him for everything,
and he announces that he's taking her to see because

(01:52:19):
he's off on a voyage of exploration, so he sticks
her on his boat and there she meets his secretary.
He's referred to as the secretary in the book. I
guess he maybe say a man servant, and they fall
wildly in love, at which point Roberval takes enormous umbrage
and he sails to a remote island and dumps them
there along with the nurse who has been with Marguerite

(01:52:41):
since she was a child, and the three of them
are left on this remote island in the middle of nowhere,
and they spend the next two years trying to survive,
and Roberval, of course assumes that he'll never see them again.
But the story of how they managed on that island
is just extraordinary, and I believe the real events that
happened in this extenth century. The island in question was
up in the Gulf of Saint Lawrence, so you can

(01:53:02):
imagine how cold and barren it would be and what
these people had to do to get through. It's just extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
Tell me about the Monster of Herod's by Allison Kurvin.

Speaker 26 (01:53:14):
Well, you know, Harod's is such a beloved institution. I've
been there many a time and loved the ambience of
that store. But what I think none of us knew
until recently was that the owner, Mohammad al Fayed, who
owned it for think about twenty five years, truly was
a monster. And sadly it only came to life light
after he'd died. But he had an enormous system within

(01:53:38):
that store. He had recording equipment in every room, he
had videos, he had screens downstairs in the basement where
he had former sas soldiers who were monitoring everything. And
when he would attack one of his staff, female staff,
of course, which he did with great regularity, if she
was then found to have mentioned it to anybody or

(01:54:00):
been seen or heard on any of these cameras and
sound equipment to be talking about it or telling anybody.
Then she was marched out and fired. And there was
that and a great deal worse that went on. It's
absolutely extraordinary. And the thing about it is that so
many people in positions of authority knew he was stupid
enough to attack and essentially abduct for a period the

(01:54:21):
daughter of an American ambassador to London. And when she
got back home and told her parents what had happened,
they all agreed it was better if nobody said anything.
But the Prime Minister was told because this was the
ambassador after all, and the Queen was told. So can
you imagine how the Queen must have felt when Diana
started going out with Faired's son. Extraordinary stuff, but so

(01:54:43):
many people knew and nobody did anything about it, which,
as we all know, is the way of things like
Jimmy Saville and Harvey Weinstein.

Speaker 4 (01:54:49):
And so on.

Speaker 26 (01:54:50):
So this is not breaking news, but to have it
all associated with an institution like Herod's.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
Is just it's just extraordiny. It was a very dark story,
isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:57):
It is?

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
It really is yeah, oh, thank you so much. Joan
So the first book was a solo by Alegra Goodman
and The Monster of Harod's by Allison. Thank you so much.

Speaker 26 (01:55:07):
See you next time.

Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
The Sunday Session Full Show podcast on my Heart Radio
powered by News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
EDB thank you so much for being with us today
on the Sunday Session. Don't forget. Jason Pine is up
next with Weekend Sport, and I know that he is
going to want to hear from you about what you
thought about the All Blacks game last night, what you
thought about the refs and some of the decisions that
were made in things. Next week, Steve Braunes is with

(01:55:37):
me now. He is one of our best writers. He's
also an excellent true crime writer, and he has a
new book coming out called Pokinghorn. I'm not allowed to
tell you anything about it, but you are going to
want to listen to that interview. I am halfway through
the book and it is absolutely fascinating and there is
a lot more in it than you might think. You
might think you know everything about that case, but the

(01:55:58):
way the stories he has to tell and the lunches
that he had with certain people involved in the afternoon
teas are hugely revealing, so you're going to want to
hear that interview. Also joined by Owen Mulligan, who's written
a book called The Accidental Soldier, which I also have
absolutely loved. It's a searingly honest and darkly funny account
of what it was like being in the British Army
in Iraq in about two thousand and seven. So he

(01:56:21):
is with me as well. Have a great day, have
a good week, and look forward to seeing you next Sunday.

Speaker 9 (01:56:27):
Take care day discovering someday I'm in love with the
shape of you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to News Talks It'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.

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