Full Show Podcast: 23 February 2025

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Good morning, Welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Franchesca bud
Can with you until midday to day. This Thursday, a
new New Zealand film called Tina is opening in cinemas.
It is a beautiful film, a stunning debut from filmmaker
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her daughter and the healing power of music. It is

(00:49):
hilarious but also heartbreaking. I tell you one tissue will
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Speaker 3 (01:26):
The Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, we may have problems getting Chinese tourists back to
New Zealand, but the Chinese military seem interested in the region,
conducting naval training practices about one hundred and thirty to
one hundred and fifty rutical miles off the coast of Sydney.
So far, China has complied with international law and the
UN Convention on the Law on the Sea. There is
no indication they won't continue to do so, so this

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is not an overly aggressive move, but it should give
the government pause for thought and focus thinking on the
state of our navy. There are some oddities about this
mission in the Tasman Sea, oddities that shouldn't be ignored.
The first is the combination of ship's center our way.
Speaking to the media yesterday, Prime Minister luxe And said
the Chinese warships and the Tasman have different capabilities from

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what we've seen before. The other oddity is that neither
Australia or New Zealand received notice from China that it
would be heading our way. No one knows what their
intentions are, where they're going or why, nor was their
formal warning about what is thought to have been live
fire exercises, causing several commercial airlines to reroute or change
their flight paths. It was commercial airline staff who picked

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up on the unexpected radio messages from the Chinese Navy
warning them to divert from an area between New Zealand
and Australia where these military drills were being carried out.
Given the Tasman is basically a busy harbor bridge for
planes fly between New Zealand and Australia, I quite like
that information to be provided ahead of time. Please a

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little bit more formally would be wonderful. The Australian Minister
of Defense, Richard Miles. He said that Ausralia would normally
give twelve to twenty four our's notice of a live
firing event, So what's going on. It's quite possible China
is responding to the Australian Navy conducting freedom of navigation
exercises off the Chinese coast. A little tit for tat
a reminder of China's capabilities with no one picking up

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the phone to offer an explanation. Perhaps China sees this
is an opportunity to see what kind of political and
military response this unprecedented move generates from New Zealand and Australia.
New Zealand has sent the HSS to Kaha and a
P eight Poseidon aircraft to monitor the Chinese movements. Take

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that China politically. Explanations are being demanded politely at this stage.
Defense Minister Judith Collins has called the Chinese actions unusual,
but didn't go so far to say it was a
show of force by China. But with China's continued encroachment
into the Pacific and a formalized security deal with the
Solomon Islands now in play, surely their intention is to

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spend more time in the Tasman c without a Robah response.
What's stopping them? Colin, says the President. The presence of
three Chinese naval ships off Australia is a wake up
call for New Zealanders. It sure is. We've depleted our
defense folks. We're an isolated country that can't protect ourselves
on our own and we're very vulnerable to supply chains

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being disruptive. Wake up call received loud and clear.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
The Sunday Session.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Coming up next. I'm joined by Professor of Politics and
International Relations, Stephen Hoadly to get his thoughts on how
New Zealand and Australia should respond to China's move and
the Tasman But I'd love to hear your thoughts. Is
it all a step too far and do we need
to respond with a little bit more of a robust manner.
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Speaker 2 (05:04):
That'd be teen past nine. You're at the Sunday Session.
So China has launched a second round of live firing
from a navy vessel as it conducts drills off the
coast of Australia. Prime Minister Christopher Luxen has confirmed New
Zealand has not been given reason for this military action
now and they were not warned of intent to conduct

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the firing. To discuss this, I'm joined by Professor of
Politics and International relations, Stephen. Holy, good morning, Stephen, thank
you so much for your time.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Good morning Francesca. Exciting times.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yes, it certainly is. What have you made of China's
military exercises and the Tasman.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Like everyone, I was taken by surprise, certainly. The Minister
of Defense said it quite well that she is never
aware of such a large groups, so well armed, so
far south in the Tasman Sea, so she keeps describing
this as a significant and unusual event. She is, however,

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very careful not to challenged China by name. By she
doesn't call us a show of force, as Paddy gowarg
to induce her to say that, but she very carefully
sidestepped the suggestion. And she's showing a good deal of
constraint because in the back of her mind, or no,

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in the front of her mind is the fact that
China is still New Zealand's number one trade partner, and
there's going She's being very careful not to miss China
unnecessarily or be provocative to our best trade partner.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Stephen, Is this a threat? What is the message China
was trying to scend here?

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Well, it is a message. I think that's a good word. Francesca.
It's not in the sense that these ships are not
going to Bob Bar, Sydney or Auckland. They are there
to show themselves that they can actually do it. Because
China is traditionally historically a mental power. It's only in
the last couple of decades it's become a sea power.

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It now the largest navy in the world, the largest
number of Warshipsistics and long distance deployment has always been
its weak point, and now the Chinese are trying with
this replenishment that's going along with the two other combat ships,
to show that they can deploy at a distance, they
can exercise their pistils, their guns at a distance, and

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they can and they could also find out what the
reaction of the nearby countries are new and we have
sent out the Posidon aircraft, the surveillance aircraft Uzedan to
send out Te Kaha, the frigate and all of this
will be taken note of, as well as the electronic

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signaling by the Chinese. This will give them additional information
about what sort of response they can expect if there
were to be some sort of hostilities in the future.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
It's a bit of a fact finding mission. Isn't it.
Do you think, though, that this is going to become
the norm? Would you? Are you anticipating that China will
spend further time in the Tasman.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Well, that's a very good point, Francesca. It is the
norm Judith mentioned. Is it the norm that China will
simply come along and not give us any warning, will
not give us the courtesy of informing us that there
will be deployments, There will be life fire exercises, there
will be transits saved between China and the Antarctic, where

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China is building a fifth research station. Put that in
quotes Mark quote marks research not too far from New
Zealand and America's research stations. So yes, it will become
more frequent. We're going to see the Chinese deploying into
the South Pacific more frequently. Certainly with the new agreement

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with Cook Islands, we may find the Chinese making courtesy
calls to Cook Islands, depending on what wincident Peters and
Mark Brown can work out about the future of the
Coke Island. So is, the Chinese are here to stay,
and we're going to have to use our best diplomacy
to make sure that the relationship remains mutually beneficial as

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it is at the moment and doesn't deteriorate.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
That was going to be my next question. How do
New Zealand and Australia need to react.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Here cautiously, without overreacting and without accusing China doing anything wrong,
which they have not done. Both Ministers of Defense Morals
and Collins have emphasized the Chinese are within their rights
to travel international water justice Australian New Zealand ships transit

(09:51):
the Taiwan Strait, which China objects to, and that we
have to watch, prepare and probably help our defense budget.
That is, New Zealand's defense budget is the lowest of
the English speaking demandocracies and it's at just over one percent.
The target for Europe is over two percent, and Donald

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Trump is talking about four or five percent GDP for defense.
So New Zealand's going to be under some pressure to
raise defense spending and to gain more capabilities to balance
out and to keep to monitor what the rising Chinese
Navy and Air Force are doing in this part of

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the world.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Stephen, our Foreign Minister Winston pats is off to China
this week. How timely is this mating?

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Well, it's western Peters will remind the Chinese that it
would be courteous if they would let us know if
they're to deploy, if they're using live fire, if we
have to divert Transpasmin flights to give them space for
their live fire exercises. He'll be raising a number of
other issues, but mainly he'll be trying to promote trade. Say, okay,

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these economy is slowing down. We hope this is going
to impact on China's imports of New Zealand's products. We
hope that Chinese tourists and students will continue to come,
Chinese investments will continue to arrive in New Zealand and
stimulate the economy, as is the flagship policy of the

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lucks And government. So there'll be a lot of talk
about economics and trade.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
And what do you think China's response to these conversations will.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Be Chinese most friendly smiles diplomacy. They will say, yes,
we are sovereign countries. We disagree, but we agree to
disagree and we can carry on because the agreements outweigh
the disagreements, and that is still the case even with
these Chinese ships here. It does add a new dimension
of tension. We're going to have to be a little

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bit more wary, a little bit more defense and intelligence
savvy vis a vis the Chinese. But the the bottom line,
certainly for the business community is China is a good customer.
It's the number one customer and Donald and in spite
of Donald Trump, the United States is the second best

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customer for New Zealand. So courtesy in both cases, not provoking,
but keeping up the good economic relationship with the two
superpowers is New Zealand's best policy.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Stephen Hardley, as always, thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
This morning the Sunday session, just letting you.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Know the Vatican has released more information on Pope Francis's
condition overnight and we are going to head to Europe
for the latest shortly right now.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Though.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
The debate around charity status and tax exemption certainly got
reignited this week, didn't it. Following on from Pride event
protests from Destiny's Church members last weekend, there have been
many calls for their charity status to be removed. On
Friday that included Labor calling for them to be struck
off the charities register. So for an explainer on charities

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law and to find out if in fact Disney Church
have overstepped the mark. Here I'm joined by charities and
public tax lawyers. Subaker, Thanks for your time this morning, Sue.

Speaker 6 (13:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (13:22):
Frank Jesco, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Now could the behavior we see from Destiny's Church last
weekend be enough to have their charity status removed?

Speaker 7 (13:32):
Well, I think a preliminary question would be what which
entity would be removed or is up for removal. I
had a quick look at the Charities Register yesterday and
I found twenty five Destiny Church entities on the Charities Register.
Of those, eight deregistered voluntarily in twenty ten, seven have

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been deregistered for failure to file and your returns, one
closed down in November twenty twenty four, and of the
remaining nine current entities, one of them is Destined Church
New Zealand Trust. But Destiny International Trust, which is the

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appears to have been the kind of head entity that
was deregistered for failure to file annual returns on fifteen
February twenty twenty two, so it's not a registered charity.
It has already been deregistered, so you know it's not
subject to oversight from charity services and Destiny New Zealand

(14:34):
Church is interesting as well if that's taking on perhaps
some kind of role as the lead organization, and certainly
that's the one that's filled twice. As complaints mentioned. First,
they haven't filed and Your Returns now for two years,
So Charity Services apply as a double defaulter approach. If

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you fail to file an you Returns for two consecutive years,
then many, many thousands of charities have been deregistered for
that reason. So it is interesting why they are still
on the register given that they haven't filed and Your
Returns for two years. And actually I did read something
in the media. Charity Services is saying that this church,

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Destiny Church newee in Trust has filed and Your Returns
post twenty twenty two, but quote they currently have outstanding
actions they need to address. In order to prioritize transparency
for the public, we are actively reviewing where the reports
can be published for entities with outstanding actions, which strikes

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me as very odd. If they have filed the returns,
they should be on the register for everyone to see.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
So this is just so much more complicate complex, isn't
it very complex? And it might not even come down
to bad behavior. It sounds like there's a variety of
reasons here why this should be considered.

Speaker 7 (15:58):
Well, I would argue that actually, the Charities Actor is
our capone legislation. It's about information of the many, many
thousands and thousands of charities that have been deregistered over
the We got the Charities Act in two thousand and five,
the Charities Register in two thousand and seven. Since then,
many thousands of charities have been deregistered, but from what

(16:19):
I can tell from Charity Services website, only six of
those have been deregistered for serious wrongdoing, which is very
hot because that's what it was supposed to be all about.
It was about providing charities with an opportunity, a forum
for them to demonstrate to their stakeholders that they were
or anyone the public at large, that they're worthy of support,

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and also a means for weeding out the bad charities,
those engaged in money laundering, tax avoidance, forward, whatever it
might be. So it is interesting that of the many
thousands that have been deregistered, only six so far have
been deregistered for serious wrongdoing.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Okay, So is the current Charities Act fit for purpose
or does it need to be reconsidered?

Speaker 7 (17:01):
It is absolutely not fit for purpose. The original Charity
Spill that went through Parliament in two thousand and four
was widely regarded to be fundamentally flawed, and it was
almost completely rewritten its Select committee stage and rushed through
under urgency without proper consultation. But the charitable sector was

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appeased by an indication from the former Minister of Finance,
the Honorable Lates Sir Dr Michael Cullen, that the Charities
Act would be subjected to a full first principle's post
implementation review. And you would normally expect a significant piece
of legislation like this to have a proper first principle's
post implementation review. But here we are nearly two decades

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later and we have never had a proper first principle's
post implementation review. Instead, we've had almost two decades of piecemeal,
knee jerk tinkering that is making things worse rather than better.
And after some one hundred million dollars of charitable regulation,
public trust and confidence and charities has declined a secondly, So

(18:07):
I would hag you it is not working at all
and we need to look at this properly. We actually
need to stop and take a step back and say
what are we actually trying to do with this legislation
because we don't even have agreement on what this legislation
is for.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh my gosh, so much to work. Got sou Thank
you so much for talking us through that. Really you appreciate.
It is twenty eight past nine. Up next, we're going
to head to the UK and Europe. UK is standing
firm on their support for the Ukraine, and we're also
going to get the latest on Pope Francis's condition. You're
with Newstalgs EDB.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on Newstalgs EDB.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Good to have you with us. It is nine thirty
in politics. Today we're going to head to the UK
and Europe and I am joined by Enda Brady.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
Morning Ender, Good morning Francesca. Great to speak to you again.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Nice to talk to you too. Now, the Vatican has
released some new information about Pope Francis's condition of a night.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yeah, it's not good. So he's in a critical condition.
They say he's had a very difficult day. So he's
been in hospital pretty much since Valentine's day, and it
appears that some tests showed up that he's suffering from anemia,
so he has had blood transfusions today. Initially he was
hospitalized with bronchitis and pneumonia in both lungs and that's

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very serious for anyone but a person of his age.
And also the fact that he had pleuralcy in his
lungs when he was in his early twenties. He actually
was so ill back then sixty odd years ago that
he actually had part of his lung removed. So it's
been a very difficult day. Brief statement, the Vaticans say
the Holy Father continues to be alert and spent the

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day in an armchair, although in more pain than yesterday.
At the moment, the prognosis is guarded. That's as much
information as they're giving out. So he's had a very
difficult day by all accounts.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Thank you for the update.

Speaker 8 (20:08):
Inda.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Now look, let's move on to the Ukraine and the
uk Kissed Dama has again put his support in behind
the Ukraine. There are reports that he's going to announce
more aid and support on Monday, the three year anniversary
of the invasion.

Speaker 6 (20:24):
Yes, this is a huge week coming up. Kir Starmer
will travel to the United States. He's heading to Washington, DC,
and our information is that there is already a meeting
booked in with President Trump. Now Europe is scrambling to
get its head around everything that happened last week. The
speed of the announcement from Trump that he had spoken

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to putin for ninety minutes, and then a hastily convene
meeting in Saudi Arabia between the Americans and the Russians.
All of this caught Europe on the hop Europe cut
short quite frankly. So we're seeing a lot of divisions
in Europe at the moment. This is nothing new, this
has been going on for some years. Germany Chancellorschult is

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likely to be out of a job in the next
forty eight hours. Elections in Germany through Sunday. Those results
will probably be announced Monday morning your time. Macron is
struggling in France and this is an opportunity now for
Starmer to step up and be Europe's leader. So yes,
more support for Ukraine, more money, more weapons, more training
of their troops, but ultimately Starmer wants to be their

(21:30):
voice and to make sure that you know he gets
time with Trump. He sits down and spells it out
to him that quite frankly, there can be no Ukrainian
peace deal without Ukrainians being involved. It's a huge week.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
So does he get the impression that he will be
invited to the table for.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
These talks, Well, he's Starmer is absolutely going to get
a sit down with Trump. We know that much. I mean,
Starmer has been building this relationship. It's very difficult because
you've got kir Starmer is ultimately a lawyer. He's legally trained.
He is not a natural speaker or showman. You know,

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he's quite a reserved serious man. He gets a lot
of criticism here in the UK because I think because
he's a labor prime minister, a lot of people judge
him unfairly against Tony Blair, who was a brilliant or
rator and political strategist. And Starmer is it's his second
career if you like. You know, he was a lawyer.

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Then he was head of the Crown Prosecution Service that
ultimately the public prosecution wing here and now he's in politics.
So I think what Starmar will be wanting to do
is to sit down with Trump and just spell out
to him that you know, you can't impose a peace
deal on Ukraine without people being involved. You know, this
cannot be a dictat written by the Kremlin where Russia

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takes everything it has stolen so far, all the land
infringement and the invasions, and makes clear that NATO membership
is off the table for Ukraine. European Union membership can't happen.
You know, I've spent a lot of time in the
last few years interviewing people at the highest level in
Europe and Russians, and that's what the Russians want, all

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of those things. They also want Zelenski go on. They
want new elections and the big fear, of course, is
that if they have elections in the Ukraine, the Russians
will manipulate it somehow so that it is basically a
Kremlin puppet who takes over.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Could this be dangerous territory for Stamma when it comes
to the UK and Uist relations.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
Yeah, it's thin nice, It really really is, because you know,
what more does the UK have to offer Trump. He's
already had a state visit last time around when the
Queen was still alive, and with us that was a
big deal, and that was something he wanted. We know
he is a transactional president and the UK is in

(23:55):
very very difficult waters here because Britain is no longer
a member of the European Union, so that safety net
of twenty seven other trading nations in one big family
pulling together, that's gone away. Britain is struggling. I mean,
if you look at our economy here last quarter growth
was zero point one percent, not point one percent. I mean,

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it's terrible. Britain is really really struggling for friends, for investment,
for money for growth, and Starmer runs the risk of
upsetting Trump, and we know how volatile he can be,
so's it's a really awkward one. The UK has absolutely
supported Ukraine for three years now. Germany has actually put
in more money and more troops and a more weaponry

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than anyone else in Europe, and the UK coming at
close second. But this is it's a difficult one for
Starmer because we know Trump is volatile. But ultimately, you know,
in his own words it's the art of the deal.
What can the UK offer him?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Inda, thank you so much for your time this morning,
really appreciate it. It was in the Brady there with
the update from the Vatican as well. It is a
twenty three to ten McKey Megaci that as with me
after ten o'clock to talk about his gorgeous debut feature film.
It's called Tina. It really is abseect divine. I can't
wait for you all to see it, but he's going

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to tell you all about it after.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
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Speaker 2 (25:24):
Ab thank you very much for your response this morning.
You can text any time. On ninety two ninety two,
a lot of people responding to the Chinese warships and
the Tasman Why should we divert planes in our own
Pacific area? Why do we let trade determine china bullying
and intimidation tactics? It's pathetic. Another said here, A big

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question is how our frigate got to the scene so quick.
Was it already tracking the Chinese or is it just coincidence?
And also if our frigate was within sight of the
second firing exercise as reported on TV last night, where
the gun trots are warning from the Chinese to keep
our distance because it's provocative with another warship in sight
and therefore our leader's response is timid but probably necessary
considering the power of China. I'll get back to more

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of your feedback shortly right now, though. A new web
series dropping this week is highlighting the stories from our
blind and low vision youth and also the accessibility that
they have to our media. Created by Media Access service
company able site, Unseen showcases audio description, which allows the
visually impaired to enjoy shows with an added layer of

(26:28):
audio telling them what is happening on the screen. For
any of you who haven't heard an audio description before,
take a listen here. As one of the guests, Thomas
explains how his skis blind. They make you wear blacked
out goggles.

Speaker 8 (26:45):
He pulls on a black fabric mask, completely covering his
face and eyes. A man with a gray bed and
dark shades like a Santa Claus joined a biker gang.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Guide to Tom to her skis.

Speaker 9 (26:55):
So John as your guide right, he's a volunteer with
Adaptive Snowsports Canterbury.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
To talk me through the importance of the series, Co
director Sheldein Seth is with me now. Good morning Sheldean,
Good morning Francesca.

Speaker 10 (27:08):
How are you good?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Thank you? How are we doing a good job? Here
in New Zealand of making our media accessible.

Speaker 11 (27:14):
Yeah, well, actually, surprisingly, AD is quite readily available on
broadcast TV at the stage where you can actually flick
on that feature on TV one, TV two, three, that's
that's readily available. But at this stage it's not available
on any on demand platforms, which we really would love

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to see that up and running very very soon.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
But as it as entertaining as yours, it's.

Speaker 10 (27:43):
Not quite well.

Speaker 11 (27:45):
You see, for this particular web series, we did push
the bounds a bit of what AD is like. Normally,
AD is quite a neutral, very doesn't really play a
role in the storytelling or the or have an opinion
on what's going on. But for the series, we wanted
to add a bit of spice and a bit of
flavor just so that it had that Stralia of entertainment

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for people who may not have interfaced with AD before. So,
I don't know, I would say ours is probably the
most entertaining.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
I think, so, I absolutely think. So, Hey, why is
it important to make this media of accessible?

Speaker 11 (28:21):
Yeah, it's making this series really accessible is important because
not many people know about Audio description. It is a
lesser known media access service that is available to all viewers.
Actually anybody can use it, but it does benefit the blind,
vision impaired and low vision community the most. With this,

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we wanted everybody from general audience young people to know
what AD is and to just to raise that awareness
really so that people know that it's a thing. It's
very it's readily available here.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, so Sight Unseen the series, it's kind of doing
two things. It's it's making the AD, you know, explaining
to people like me what it is. But also you're
sharing these really amazing stories from you know, blind, from
the blind and low vision community, you know, give us
a bit of understanding about their lives.

Speaker 11 (29:17):
Yes, that's right. Have it does do two things, which
is awesome. We did feature some fantastic talent for the
series that are very passionate about the things that they
do and engage with every day, and their stories provide
awesome scenes for audio description.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Two.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Is it a hard product to make.

Speaker 12 (29:39):
The series?

Speaker 11 (29:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, well the series when you add the audio description in.

Speaker 11 (29:45):
Yes, So this definitely took a different approach to how
audio description is normally produced. So we thought about a
d from the pre production process because it was built
into the series. So with this in mind, what that
meant is from the scripting phase we were able to
determine how long scenes needed to extend out for so

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that we could fit that extra layer of narration. Normally,
AD comes at the end of the end of the
line when something's been produced and that audio describer is
chasing all the teeny tiny gaps where possible to provide
that visual context. So for this series, it anchored us
all the way from the start, all the way through

(30:26):
to the finish, to the point where we had the
audio description dictate how long some scenes were. We got
to justin post production to make it, to make it
fit and make it awesome.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I noticed that the series is dropping on Instagram and TikTok.
Is that about reaching a younger, different market.

Speaker 11 (30:47):
Yes, definitely, So we want to reach young people that
is on social media platforms already, who who find who
find content like this engaging and quite cool. A lot
of the some of the ad has language that might
that you wouldn't hear on regular ad on TV, and
it definitely speaks to the generation that we're trying to

(31:09):
tap into. Yeah, we wanted to present this content in
a place where people can easily access.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
It and in terms of the work that Able is
doing providing captions and audio descriptions on free to air.
Where do you hope to be able to expand your
services to.

Speaker 11 (31:28):
Yes, so we would love to see a bigger uptake
of the services on our on demand platforms here in
New Zealand. At the moment, captions and audio description go
to broadcast every day of the week here in New Zealand,
and when it comes to our on demand platforms, not
all of them well a lot of them have captions

(31:50):
on there, but then none of them can actually house
audio description yet, so we're really really pushing and hoping
for that to change.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
It's interesting, isn't it. So it can go out live
and you might have the audio description, but then if
you want to go and watch it in your own
time and stream it, that's not carried over.

Speaker 11 (32:07):
No, that's correct, and that comes down to some technical
things that are not quite not quite there yet. But
at Able we produce over one hundred and forty hours
of audio described content for broadcast Telly and we'd love
to see it have a longer shelf life online.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Oh, Sheldine, thank you so much for joining me. I
very much enjoyed this series. You should go and have
a look at it. It's called Site Unseen at premieeres
on TikTok and Instagram on Wednesday the twenty sixth. It's
then available on able, dot co dot nz and on
YouTube from Monday March third. Some really fantastic You meet
some really amazing New Zealanders there from the blind and
low vision community. But then you also get to enjoy

(32:46):
how they've managed to bring in you'll get the sort
of a bit more of a sense of what this
audio description is, but it really actually kind of contributes
to the show. They've done a really great job of
the way they integrate it. Very entertaining. Indeed, it is
twelve to ten news Talk Zreb.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Putting the tough questions to the newspakers, some mic asking.

Speaker 13 (33:05):
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in number four yesterday as the half years ol've got
release profits down eighteen percent to one hundred and six million.
In New Zealand's tief executive Greg four and is bak
whether it's what's your biggest problem the engines or the
new planes you aren't getting?

Speaker 12 (33:19):
Primarily I would say the engines first up. We're heading
into a period MIC where we're going to have eleven
of our aircraft une available. It's going to be about
seven thousand seats a day. We have to cover that
by bringing in leased aircraft because we just cannot get
enough engines out of rolls.

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mic Hosking Breakfast with the Rain Driver of the Laugh News.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Talk eDV There's no better way to start your Sunday.
It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of Greg Reeds us talk.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
SEDB, thank you very much for your text this morning
on the Chinese warships in the Tasman. Australia and New
Zealand should respond by sending warships off the coast of
China and Taiwana do training exercises while they're That was
from Allen Well. Australia do do quite a lot of
training exercises off the coast of China, which is probably
why China is headed to the Tasman. And I would

(34:17):
wonder whether if China decides to be a little bit
more active around Taiwan. They're working out whether they can
limit Australia's access to that neck of the woods. Another
one here is my opinion is that they're just showing
we are powerless, no helpful military, and they have us
by the economic balls. They're just proving that by these drills.

(34:39):
What are you going to do in New Zealand. In
regards to the charities, another text here reads Destiny church Aside,
people would be shocked and amazed if they saw the
list of organizations getting charity status in New Zealand, some
seriously crazy organizations. People would be disgusted at the tax
free status and who qualifies. The list should be out
there for the public to know about. Another example of
the inept media informing the people of real injustices occurring. Look,

(35:04):
that was really interesting that conversation I think that we
had with Sue before, because I think she really highlighted that,
didn't she She was saying, look, actually there's not enough accountability,
there's not enough transparency. This was with Sue Barker, who
was the charities and public tax lawyer. There's not enough transparency,

(35:24):
there's not enough accountability. We seem to be spending a
whul lot of money on regulation, but we're not really
getting anywhere, and she very much feels that the Charities
Act is not that for purpose, and I do tend
to agree with her. You know, it's really pretty simple.
Under New Zealand charity law, a charitable organization must operate
for the public benefit and relieve the government of its
burden to provide welfare services and assist disadvantage people. It

(35:45):
really is as simple as that. And I think that
we need to go back to working out, you know,
been able to clarify a lot more carefully what a
charity is. There are so many charities, small ones run
on oily rags, who were providing incredible services for communities.
There are much larger ones who but they are doing
exactly that, relieving the government of burd to provide welfare

(36:07):
services and very much stepping up where the government has
failed to do.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
So.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
We want them to keep working. We want people who
are genuinely with good intentions doing great work to help
people and help their communities. We do want them to
be able to thrive. There is of course that other
issue about when you throw a charity in that is
also working in a commercial environment as well. And I
know that a lot of people have an issue with sanitarium,

(36:33):
and I think that this too needs to be looked at.
There seems to be sort of this very fine line
there between working out when an organization is doing something
for the greater good of society or it's doing something
potentially in the commercial environment. So that needs to be

(36:53):
looked at as well. Thank you very much for all
your texts. Somebody also just wanted to update on my
son Oscar. I spoke about him a few weeks ago,
heading off to Canterbury. Him and his mates are all good.
I promise you. They are still alive and they're rocking.
More on that a little bit later on the show.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Actually it is six to ten the Sunday Session Full
Show podcast on my Heart Radio powered by News Talks AB.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Right up next, Mickey Megaceiva is in the studio to
talk about how the death of his brother Poor inspired
his new film Tina and what a beautiful film it is.
I loved it, I laughed, I cried, and that as
much as each other, there was equal amounts laughing and
crying in this film. Mickey is going to tell us

(37:40):
all about it after the break, and we're going to
finish with some music from English singer songwriter Sam Fender.
He's releasing his new album. He released his new album
People Watching on Friday. This is from the album. It
is called arms Length the Back shortly have the moment,

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Speaker 2 (39:18):
Good morning, you're with the Sunday Session. I'm franchiscobud can
with you until midday. Good to have you with us now.
Every so often you come across a film that is
incredibly special, one that makes you cry and laugh and
equal measures and sticks with you long after you leave
the cinema. One of these films is releasing this week.
It's by debut feature director Mickey Megaseva and the film

(39:40):
is called Tina, a story about a mother struggling with
the loss of her daughter.

Speaker 11 (39:47):
What is this?

Speaker 3 (39:47):
There are a bunch of spoiled, rich kids that have everything.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
They could ever want. You don't know them.

Speaker 15 (39:53):
You can't just throw some Sunday school group to get
us and say, comeboy.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Are you felt that I could give these kids something.
This is that something. I want you to promise me
that you will not stop see focus on.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
The breadth around you.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
The space between us connects us to our choir, our family,
to our community.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
She's gone.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
I see her in every kid ye ever talk.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Oh my gosh, it's bringing back the tears. And the
man behind the film is with me, Mickey Maggazeva. It's
lovely to see you. Thank you so much for coming in,
especially on your birthday.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
Happy birthday, Thank you very much, Thank you very much. Yes,
the big for eight I believe today forty eight yep,
getting on, getting on close it to fifty now.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
So thank you, thank you for bringing that up. This
film is extraordinary. It is an extraordinary effort for a
debut feature. Is it everything you wanted it to be?

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Yeah? I think it is. I think when you are
a creative, you're never going to be one hundred percent
happy with anything that you do. But have been through
the process now having released it out to a few
people and seeing their reactions their positive reactions to the film,
were really stoked with where we've got to now and
I can't wait to release.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
It because how big a jump is it to go
from making commercials and short films to a feature film.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
I didn't think it would be that big if I
were out, if I were honest, But it has been
a massive, massive learning experience. Look, when you're on set,
all of those things are still the same when you're
working with actors. Of you know, grown up with actors,
so collaborating with them has always been second nature to me.

(41:45):
But the sort of behind the scenes required to get
something like this up and running was massive and something
that I hadn't expected.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Because you took on everything. I mean, you wrote this,
you produced this, you directed it. It really is your baby.

Speaker 11 (42:00):
That is.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
There's a lot going on all at once, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
It is yeap, way too much for sure. But I
felt like, as you've mentioned, having done commercials and having
done short films and all those other platforms before I
got to the stage where I just felt like I
needed to do that to get it off the ground.
I didn't feel like I had a choice. And you know,

(42:28):
like you say, it's my birthday today, it felt like
I'm getting a little bit older, and it has always
been my dream to do the feature film, and I
just didn't feel like I was getting any closer to it,
so I didn't feel like I had a choice. I
just felt like I had to do it and take
on all those roles in order to get it off
the ground.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
It's been a lifelong dream, hasn't it.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (42:47):
It really has cheap as twenty years now being a
director and thirty years since I left school and dreamed
of doing it. So getting this far and getting to
this stage is pretty big moment for me.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Because it's it's brutal being a filmmaker.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
Yeah, it's really hard. The lines on my face will
attest to that. It is really brutal. It takes a lot,
It takes a team to get behind you. And thankfully
I have a couple of great producers with me. Dan
Higgins is our lead producer and Mario and Awa and
without those guys, I wouldn't have been able to do it.

(43:31):
So to have them there with us, with me along
the way, has you know, made that journey a little
bit easier, but yes, very difficult.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I think you achieved something which is actually very hard
to nail. The film is like this perfect mix of
heartbreak and humor. There are these very heavy themes in
the film, but then you give us this opportunity to
kind of breathe again, to have a laugh and a
lot of laughs. That's really hard to get that balance, right.
Did you have to work at that when you were

(44:03):
writing this film.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
Thank you for that. It's nice to get that reaction
from people. I feel like it's just a natural part
of what it is to be someone to navigate those
two things, grief with a bit of humor. I think
a lot of Sarmon's and Pacific Islanders deal with their
grief through humor. It's certainly something that I experienced in

(44:29):
my own life, going through trauma but also dealing in
a way that's humorous. I just think it's a part
of who I am. I'm not sure if I tried
to do it. I just think it's a part of
me and it just came out naturally. I love humor,
and I wanted to do an emotional story when I
set out to do it. So I just hope that

(44:52):
we've had people in the theaters now reacting to both
of those things. Oh, laughing and crying, hopefully emotional.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Oh my goodness. Somebody said to me as I headed
into the that I hope you've got a lot of tssues,
don't you. Yeah, I've got some tissues in the bag.
You know, about the same amount that I take to
most films. Wasn't enough. It was not enough. And do
you know one of the things I loved about I
went to a screening. It was filled with people who'd
come to see this film and who really wanted to
be there, and it reminded me why I love going

(45:23):
to a cinema. We had this collective experience together. We
were all laughing and crying and it it's an extraordinary
experience when that happens. We were all in there together,
just having this moment. But man, we cried.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, bus it didn't hold back there.
You're right doing to hold back there. No, I'm really
glad you said that, because, you know, going to the
movies has been an important part of my life growing
up as a filmmaker, growing up, so to get into
that shared space again, And you're absolutely right. This is
a film that requires people to get into the theaters

(45:59):
together and go through that journey together and laugh and
cry together. I have a couple of friends who who
went and saw it and went through the same experience
as you. They didn't take enough tissues and they had
to share their tissues.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
They were saying they having passed down the.

Speaker 11 (46:17):
Tenn.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
It is set in christ Which around the time and
post the twenty eleven earthquakes. What drew you to that setting?
Being a Wellington boy.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
Boy and then an Auckland boy. But I think Dan Higgins,
who's our lead producer, he grew up in christ Church,
and when I pitched the story, it was actually based
in Auckland to begin with, because that's where the choir
who inspired the whole thing are from. They're from up
here in Auckland. But Dan read the first drafts or
first treatment, and he said, look, I think this would

(46:48):
actually suit christ Church. So I did a bit of
research into christ Church and lo and behold, it just
seemed to fit there much better that fit in any
other location. And then when we managed to kind of
unlock setting in and around the earthquakes there, that just
opened us up to a broader story and more emotional

(47:09):
story that we were after. So I'm going to tribute
that one to Dan.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Higgins, Right, Mickey, you paid tribute to your brother Pooh
at the end of this film, and you lost him
not too long ago. A lot of this film is
about trauma and grief, and I couldn't help but think
how your experience must have informed the script.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, I wrote the script right in the middle
of that period. I've said this a few times now
that whilst I was writing the script, I must have
cried for three years writing it. And I'm not even joking. It's,
you know, seriously going through all of the emotions that
hopefully audiences will go through as well whilst I was

(47:50):
writing it, whilst I was writing those emotional scenes, going
through that time remembering him. So I like to think
that he, you know, drove a lot of that emotion.
A lot of that emotion went down on paper, and
then you know, has translated itself up to the big
screen there. So yeah, maybe due to him, Actually you
could feel it, Yeah, I hope, So, I hope. So

(48:13):
it was a real emotional experience writing it, and so
and in fact going throughout the entire process, and once
people started coming on board and reading the script and
knowing both of us and knowing our family, they could
also feel it. And so it became a thing where
they came on board and they were a bit more

(48:33):
emotionally invested in making the story, and so I think
a lot of that, all of that has ended up
on the screen. So I'm super stoked about that.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Actually, no, it's absolutely beautiful. Annapalla is an extraordinary talent.
Of course, she's an award winning, well recognized actress and
writer working in theater and things like that. Did you
write this part for her?

Speaker 5 (48:58):
Yes? I did, although I didn't tell her. I wrote
it for her. Initially, I've told this story before, but
I said to her, Hey, can you come on read
my script? I just need help with this character. And
so she read it and we got together and we
worked on the character and then eventually I said, oh yeah,

(49:18):
and by the way, I want you to play it too,
So she came on board. She came on board willingly,
but I did. I wrote it with her in mind.
She's the only one that I really had in mind
to play. We didn't offer the role to anybody else.
It was just for her. She helped develop it as well,
and so a lot of the gags in the film

(49:40):
are her gags. And a lot of people say, oh,
you've got her to do quite male things in this
aka make her students exercise, and I go, I didn't
make that up. She said, I think I should make
these students exercise so a lot.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Of the area.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
And it's brilliant. No, it's brilliant. And I did wonder
a little bit with that humor. I'm sure you know,
I was thinking, I'm obviously irresponsible for a lot of it.
But the cast is so fabulous. I wondered just whether
you know, in the moment there was a lot that
happened that the cast brought to the table as well.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
It was so fun. Yeah, it was so much fun.
We've got a lot of great young talent cast in
there as well, and we just had a ball shooting
with them. I think they really got into it and
embraced it and went with the comedy. And comedy is
so fun to do. Anyway. Bells is great at it.
Bueller's on there, He's hilarious. I've got a lot of

(50:34):
friends that are in this movie who aren't actors who
have come on board are absolutely hilarious. So a lot
of fun shooting it.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
And how wonderful How good is the music in this film?
How wonderful is it to sort of celebrate a choir.
You know, it's not a form of performance that kind
of gets spoken about a lot. Really, does it get
its Jews?

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Yeah, No, absolutely not, and it should and the quiet
community is massive here, So I am really proud that
we're able to showcase choir and choral music in that way.
I think we'll find a lot of them come out
of the woodworks because certainly, when I was pitching this
out to a lot of people, almost everybody knew somebody

(51:21):
that was in choir and in choral music so or
had done choral music before. So yeah, a large part
of it was the music. I'm stoked because the music
is also a genuine character in this movie. There's a
lot of things that are tied into the story that's
come from the music. Obviously, someone church music has always

(51:43):
been a strong part of our culture, so to infuse
that with sarmon church music choral music locally, We've got
a couple of great songs, you know, classic New Zealand
songs in there, and have that all be a part
of this story. It just helped it while you saw it,
so yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
No gives it great energy and things. You had a
lot to actually pull together, didn't you. Yeah, performance all
sorts of things going on.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
Yeah, I thought it was going to be heaps easier
than it turned out to be. For sure, Yep, yeah,
took on too much. But that's part of the fun,
isn't it. And also, even though it was tricky and
hard to get all of those elements together, once you
finally get to the other side of it, and we're
on the other side of it now I'm about to
release it, it all works and helps to tell the story.

(52:32):
And I think you I think I hope audiences will
really feel that when they're.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Oh, they'll absolutely fail. I don't think there'll be any
doubt about that. What do you love about storytelling? Why
is it important to you?

Speaker 5 (52:44):
I think most of the things that I love about
storytelling is to be able to give audiences an experience
that is enjoyable. I don't make movies for myself. I
like I make movies for audiences, and so to get
back the you know, the feedback we've got so far

(53:05):
has been so positive and amazing, and each and every
bit of feedback that we've got has just made me
extremely happy. And that's that's why I do it, you know.
I mean, being a creative has always just been a
part of who I am as a person. But when
you're going through the grind and you're in the trenches.
It's often hard to see the you know, the the

(53:28):
enjoyable moments of it. And it's not until you finish
the thing and then people come up to you tears
in their eyes, or they come up to you and say,
you know, they laugh their way through it. That's probably
what gives me the biggest joy.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
So maybe you've got another seven years and you need
to pull another project. Like as you say, it's kind
of it's this huge thing and it takes up so
much part of your life and then it's out there
and you go, Okay, yeah, maybe I could do that again.
That's all, you know.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
I mean, I'd love to do it again. But maybe
we could cheat a little bit and just tell life
that we started five years ago, we've already started.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Oh maybe yeah, get your producers on. Maybe you just
handle the and the directing and that's that.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
It's so good to see these Pacifica stories told by
PACIFICA filmmakers on screen, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
You know? I think it's one of the one of
the things I'm proudest about is to be able to
add to that. What is a relatively short time period
of Pacifica filmmakers and films, so to be able to
be one of those now and hopefully add to that
journey is just, you know, just another thing that will celebrate.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
It's a beautiful film. I think it's I think it's
going to become a key classic. Everyone needs to go
and see it. Take a lot of tissueses, take tissues,
have a good laugh, just have a moment and be
together one d and.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
Take your family. I'm sure everybody will enjoy it. I
hope you do it, least enjoy.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
The rest of your birthday.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Tina is in cinemas this Thursday and coming up shortly,
we're going to get Steve Newle's thoughts on the film. Gosh,
I hope he likes it. It's twenty three Fast in.

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Speaker 3 (56:05):
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Speaker 2 (56:27):
First as a little bit of Empire of the Sun
for all you lucky people that got to go to
Electric Avenue this weekend. Apparently they were incredible on Friday night,
so good to have a good music festival story. I've
only heard fantastic things about Electric Avenue, which has been
taking place in christ Heatch over the last couple of days.

(56:48):
I know it's probably been really full on if you
live in christ Church and maybe you've been trying to
move around the city or anything. But the reviews have
been coming in have been amazing. My son's been there
and all his mates and they were just going. They
all went to R and V and they're like, man,
this was the festival to be at. This has been incredible.
So good on you. I know that the poor guy's

(57:08):
running the festival have almost been having Nerver's breakdowns. I
just say thumbs up, good on you. I'm joined now
to talk about entertainment by Steve Newill, editor at flex
dot co dot in Zeg.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
Good Morning, more dinner.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
I'm actually very jealous that I wasn't in christ Church
and joining that festival. What about you?

Speaker 16 (57:24):
I would have loved to see Prodigy and I was
had some very serious thoughts about what it would cost
to fly.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Down to do that.

Speaker 16 (57:33):
I felt the same way when they had Chemical Brothers
at Electric Avenue last time.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
You need to get a bit, we need to get
a little bit better organized, Steve. That's what comes down
to quite friendly.

Speaker 17 (57:43):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Today we're going to talk about the pacifica film Tina, which,
of course we were just speaking to Mickey Megasiva. I
really love the film. I do think it's going to
become a little bit of a Kiwi classic. I really
hope you feel the same, otherwise this could be quite
an awkward segment.

Speaker 16 (57:57):
Yeah, hey, Mickey, the thing is, I love your film, man,
it was really really great. And you know, I'm not
sure that the so genre of christ Church set cultural collision,
intergenerational people meet each other, learn things from one another,
and have a redemptive exercise through the power of choir,

(58:19):
if that's a subgenre, is one that I necessarily would
have gone into this film.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Super excited about.

Speaker 16 (58:25):
But it's such a good example of this type of structure,
this type of premise for a film. As you heard
in the interview if you've been listening earlier, the humor
interwoven into this film is such a significant part of it.
There's a very authentic sense of grief, very authentic drama
to it. But I think what really got me was
the sheer number of Bally laughs that I experienced during

(58:47):
this film, rack up laughs, And I think that that's,
you know, as as a Parlang heir, who's you know,
been peripheral to someone culture a tiny bit like through
high school and through you through friend groups and stuff.
There's a there's a spirit to that type of humor

(59:08):
that really permeates this film. You know, I can't sign
off on its authenticity, but it really rings true as
a subset of the New Zealand pacifica experience from from
my perspective anyway. And I just reflect on how incredibly
funny this film is while you know, maintaining a strong
dramatic course. It's really really hard line to walk. The

(59:30):
films are drama first and foremost, the characters are fully
formed foremost, and then they get to make you have Okay. Actually,
I'm going to say that the deputy principle of this
fictional christ Church High School, which is very reminiscent of
one of those two schools in christ Church, is probably
the biggest comic relief, probably maybe if there's a character

(59:53):
that departs the most from he's a strictly dramatic character.
He's as a kind of villainous foil that makes the
rest of the film, I almost did, make the rest
of the film sing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
And let's just go with that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, nice, Now tell me about the monkey This is
a short story by Stephen King, which has been adapted
into a film or a TV show.

Speaker 16 (01:00:15):
This is a feature film. It's by osgood Perkins. He
made last year's fantastic Long Legs. So he's kind of
the hot He's got a few foot horrors under his belt,
but Long Legs was the one that really kind of
broke him out to a bigger audience. Actually, just he's
reached the point where he can do the direct to
promos to camera now, like in a kind of Hitchcock sense.

(01:00:36):
And I just watched this week he described this film.
This is how he sells the film. Down the camera.
This his horror film. Let's make this very clear. Down
the camera in a promotional video, there are decapitations and eviscerations,
electrocutions and impalements, a disembelment, an infestation, an immolation, a conflagration,

(01:00:59):
an exanguination, and a defenestration. Still quoting Osgoode, in other words,
there's a little something for everyone.

Speaker 18 (01:01:06):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
You know what you're gonna get.

Speaker 16 (01:01:08):
Yeah, So this is This is a riff on the
earlier short story The Monkey's Port. It's about the cursed
Little Monkey toy and when you wind it up, it
plays the drum and someone will die in unexpected fashion,
and as you just heard in Osgar Perkins's words, he
finds lots of credible so that it's a lot like
Final Destination if you're familiar with those films, or there's
kind of an elaborate setup and you don't really know

(01:01:30):
what's gonna happen once you know, once once, the forces
of evil get set into motion, and it centers around
two twin brothers who they get this toy brought back
to them as kids. Every time they wind the key
in the back, someone dies in a gruesome and unexpected way,
and it haunts them in really weird ways into adulthood.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
The horror genre was really sort of been having a comeback.
It's not really a comeback, but it's been very strong.
It's a very strong genre, and it has been for
a little while now quite popular with the teenagers. So
I was just gonna it's worth noting this is also
an arsex thing, because I know a lot of people
went to see Nosferratu and couldn't get in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Yeah, and this is a.

Speaker 16 (01:02:08):
Hard for a reason. This is a gruesome, a gleefully
gruesome film. It's a very blackly comic horror, like you're
not really going to spend a lot of time fretting
for people's well being. And there appears to this film
where we're just like whipped through like a whole bunch
of different gruesome gags, because they are gags in this film.

(01:02:29):
They're not like, oh, gosh, I hope nothing bad happens
to this person with a bowling ball. Something bad will
happen to that person once you see Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
I feel like we've provided people with I feel like
we've provided people with good options you can.

Speaker 16 (01:02:43):
I think we've got the range out today. We've got
two kind of polar opposites to be said about Tina, though.
One of the things that surprised me was.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
Actually just how rude the film is.

Speaker 16 (01:02:52):
Like I liked this, Like the style of humor was
not like, let's just have a few kind of slapstick
glass for kids, but it's happy to swear here and there,
it's happy to to lean on some good gags.

Speaker 7 (01:03:04):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:03:04):
I really liked how the but Hey principle is burnishing
his credentials. We're saying he's the head of this, ahead
of the head of that, and it just gets the
stern lock. That's a lot ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yeah, there's a lot of threats for a slack with
a jandle as well. Thank you so much, Steve. So
those two films, Tina and also The Monkey are in well.
Tina is in cinemas this Thursday.

Speaker 16 (01:03:26):
In cinema's this Thursday. There are snacks this weekend. So
if you're interested in what you've heard in kender headlong asap,
there are screenings today and into the week. And The
Monkey is in general release now and you please note
it as our sixteen so this is not a kid's film,
be any stretch of the imagination.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Thank you so much, Steve. It's twenty five to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Talks at b Do join me now for our science
study of the week is doctor Michelle Dikon sing good morning,
Good morning. I do love the titles, you know, sort
of of your emails you've seen through like wildfish and
tell humans apart by their clothing, And I just think
to myself, of course they can. This is something which
scientists have looked at. This just sounds delightful. The study

(01:04:15):
this is a lovely study. It's in the General Biology Letters.
I love it because the experimental is just super cute.
So you probably don't even think about whether your fish
recognizes you or not, because if you have a fish
in a fish tank, as soon as you pick up
that little food dish, they're all over it.

Speaker 19 (01:04:31):
But are they excited about the food or are they
excited about you? Well, in lab conditions, they have shown
that fish that have grown up in a lab, so
captive fish called archerfish, can recognize specific human faces and
who is feeding them. But we've never known if wildfish
can do them. So this beautiful study and all to

(01:04:52):
figure it out. So what they did is they went
into the Mediterranean sea and they threw a diver eight
meters underwater and try to get her to attract attention
of the local fish, to see what fish would maybe
be attracted to her. Some fish that came along and
she was very distinct. She wore this bright red vest
and then she started swimming fifty meters in one direction,

(01:05:14):
feeding the fish along the way, hoping that the fish
would learn to recognize that she is a feeding system
and they should follow her. And she did this every
day on repeat but as the days went on, she
started to remove the big red vest that she was
wearing in some of those big visual cues. And then
at the end, so day twelve, she only fed the
fish after they had followed her for the whole fifty meters.

(01:05:36):
She didn't feed them along the way, so they really
had to see that she was coming in, follow her
for fifty meters as she's swimming quite fast, and at
the end they got it. Treat great, so they go, Okay,
so the fish have learned to recognize this diver without
their red vest, and they went, well, are they recognizing
her or are they just recognizing a human who's swimming
fest So what they did is they got another female

(01:05:58):
diver of a similar stature to jump in at the
same time, and she wore a different colored wetsuit, and
then they went go and both of these divers swam
fifty meters in totally opposite directions as fast as they could.
And on day one the fish were like, well, oh on,
what's going on? I don't know who to follow, So
they just basically swum around in a circle and didn't
know what to do. But the original diver who had

(01:06:21):
been there the whole time, she fed the fish that
followed her at the end of fifty meters, whereas this
new diver didn't do anything. On day two, the fish
were like, Okay, don't follow the other girl, I go
back to the original one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
So on day two, all of the.

Speaker 19 (01:06:35):
Fish, and there were twenty fish specifically that came back
all the time that were part of this study, well,
that volunteered to be part of the study. On day two,
they all ignored the new diver and just swam fifty
meters after the original diver who they'd been going for.
So how did they know that that was the original diver? Well,
because they had a different colored wet suit on, which

(01:06:55):
sort of shows that these fish actually have a cognitive
ability to see visual cues. In this case, it was
a wetsuit color.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
How do they know that?

Speaker 19 (01:07:04):
Because then they got the divers to exactly the same
clothes do the same thing. In the case, the fish
were like, oh, I don't know who to follow. I
don't know what's going on. So the fish, we're looking
for something specific around the color of the wetsuit or
a pattern on the fin to know who to follow.
Now does this mean that fish can't wildfish can't recognize
Hman faces. Basically, the study said, oh, we don't know.

(01:07:25):
We didn't do the experiment for long enough.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
So now what we're going to do.

Speaker 19 (01:07:28):
Is keep doing this and try and put a mask
on where they can actually see the face of the
diver to see whether or not it's just the color
queue of their wetsuit, or we can get them to
learn these people's faces.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
But what we know so far is that if you
want to make friends with your you know, if you
have a regular swimming spot and you want to make
friends with the wildlife, we're the same pair of dogs
every time.

Speaker 19 (01:07:49):
Every time. And what was lovely about the study said
they'll probably feed them too. But it taught us that
we're actually how we interact with marine life. We haven't
really thought about it before. And they are really smart.
Fish are really smart. They are recognizing things. So be
nice to the fish in the ocean. And yeah, if
you want to do something fun on your summer, get
a little swim around for fifty meters and feed them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
At the end, I love it.

Speaker 19 (01:08:09):
Where do we find the study of the shell biology letters?
It's a beautiful infancil study.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
We'll talk next week the Sunday Session Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by News talks It.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Our resident chef joins us now on the Sunday Session,
Mike Vander Ellison.

Speaker 18 (01:08:25):
Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Now, everybody keeps talking about the end of summer. I
know that you won't go sort of talk about, you know,
the end of summer. It's always a bittersweet. But we've
got these beautiful, juicy peaches and I'm the first thing.
I'm like, no, stop, let's not get it's not so
fairwell to summer just yet.

Speaker 18 (01:08:43):
And it's raining now, is it okay?

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Yeah, that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Joy of being inside a studio bunker, really, isn't it. Well,
that's a shame to hear. But peaches are good news, juicy.

Speaker 18 (01:08:55):
And they are delicious at this time of the year,
they certainly are.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
You just it's like any of the stone fruit, You've
just got to get it at that perfect moment when
you buy it into the juices to run down the
chin ah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Isn't it incredible?

Speaker 18 (01:09:09):
And like you like, we buy peaches in them, you know,
in the winter, and they come from America and they're
just they're not even they look they look perfect, but
when you bite them them, there's just such a disappointment.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Do you have to do the birds go for yours?

Speaker 18 (01:09:24):
Ah, they nail them. The trees are too big. I
can't net them, so I don't know what to do.
Maybe I'll prune them hard next year and make them
a bit small so I can actually get a net
over them. But yes, they we've got these black peaches.
They don't seem to go for them, but they're really
They're not as juicy and as sweet, so maybe they
know something that we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Well, we've got a beautiful, delicious peach loaf cake for
our listeners today. Why don't you run us through it?

Speaker 18 (01:09:52):
So I made this yesterday and I just wanted to
test the recipe and it is really good, So please, please,
if we've got time today, make this up so it
makes a decent So I made it in like a
rectangle loaf tin. Loaf tin is about two twenty four
centimes by thirteen and that was a perfect size for it.

(01:10:15):
So preheat your oven to one hundred and seventy degrees
and then into a bowl you want to combine two
cups of sifted flour along with one and a half
cups of brown sugar, a teaspoon of baking powder, and
then just a pinch of salt. Mix that together, sit
down aside into another bowl. You've got a whole cup

(01:10:36):
of some flour oil or oil that has no color,
no flavor. To that, you want to add one cup
of milk, three eggs and the zest and juice of
a lemon and an orange, and a teaspoon of vanilla paste.
Give that a quick worsk until the eggs and combined well,
and then pour that extra over into your flour, fold

(01:11:00):
that through into it makes quite a loose and wet batter.
And then finally I folded through a cup of frozen
berries just to give a little bit of color. And
then some peaches. So I've got four peaches that I've
just cut in half, d stoned, cut into small sort
of little wedges or segments, and at that stage I
add half the peaches into that batom mix. Pour the

(01:11:21):
batom mix into your loaf tin, fire it into the oven,
and on that one seventy setting, it takes an hour,
and so depending on different ovens, you might want to
just test it after an hour, put a skew in it.
If it comes out nice and clean, Bob's your auntie
that's ready to go. Just pull it out and just
let it chill out for a little bit. And at
that point you could pretty much turn it over and

(01:11:44):
fold out your loafton and it's incredible. To slice it
there and then was amazing, But hold off, let it
cooled out the rest of your peaches. All I did
is I just put a little bit of a dusting
nice thing over the top of the lofton or over
the top of the peach loaf, and then the remaining peaches,
I just sprinkled them over a couple of flowers and
then serve that straight away.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Sounds amazing, Mike, thank you so much. You can find
that recipe at Newstalk zb dot co dot z or
hit Too Good from scratch dot co dot in z.
It's twelve to eleven All.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
That Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin
and Wiggles for the best selection of great reeds news
Talk Zevy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Time to talk wellness now, and I'm joined by Erin O'Hara.
Good morning, Good morning. A lot of talk about gut
health these days, but we're talking a lot more about
it being associated with weight management, aren't we Yeah, there's
lots and lots.

Speaker 20 (01:12:39):
Of new research coming out in the effect of gut
microbiome and the balance of your gut microbiome and weight
management or weight loss or how easily you lose weight,
as well as food cravings that you have and the
relationship between what is going on in your gut and
how does that affect what you choose to eat, but
also what you are eating and how that's changing how

(01:13:01):
your gut is functioning too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Okay, so then how does the gut health and you wait.

Speaker 20 (01:13:07):
So a lot of it comes down to things like
gut diversity and energy extraction. So when you eat food,
it goes down into your gut and then all the
gut bugs or the microbiome is all the trillions of
bacteria that live in your gut, and how are they
affecting the way you're breaking down the food, so getting
the most out of the food to get the nutrients out,

(01:13:29):
but also energy extraction as well. But it also has
a big role in hormones and particularly appetite regulating hormones.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
So the gut bacteria plays.

Speaker 20 (01:13:38):
A role in controlling the regulation of hunger as well
as fullness, and that affects hormones like grenlin and lictin
as well. And another thing that's a really important role
in weight loss and weight management is the production of
short chain fatty acids.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Now, these are.

Speaker 20 (01:13:57):
Produced by the gut bacteria producing short chain fatty acids
to break down the dietary fiber. So the foods that
you're eating are like the food that the bacteria then
breaks down creates short chain fatty acids, and that's what
helps you feel full for longer and also reduces inflammation
in the guts.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Okay, so it's about satiety. It's about that feeling like
a lot of people eat and go I'm just I
never feel like I'm full, or I'm constantly hungry or
you know, and then there's other people who eat and
then feel really full.

Speaker 20 (01:14:28):
One element of it, and then the other element is
how well your body uptakes the nutrients. But also some
people will just excrete things as well, So how fast
your metabolism goes is also affected by your gut microbiome too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
So both those things affected by the what kind of
food you're eating is just that that's.

Speaker 20 (01:14:50):
One element, but it's also the bacteria balance in the gut.
And there's actually a really interesting research study done on
two different types of gut bacteria, one called Prevotella and
the other one bacteria side ease. Now, these two different
types of bacteria eat different foods, so one or eat
more of your fiber rich foods, so things like your

(01:15:10):
fruits and vegetables, your nuts and their seeds, and that
has a really interesting effect. Of that type of bacteria,
Prevotala has a great effect in reducing inflammation in the gut,
improving gut house and also enhancing your metabolism. Bacteria siet
ease is a different type of bacteria family, and these
ones more deal with how you manage animal fats and proteins.

(01:15:34):
And this one actually if you have the balance right
and more Prevotella and less bacteriocid ese, it's shown that
that will actually improve your metabolism.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
The diversity of the gut mimes really important. Hey, can
the bacteria in your gut cause cravings for unhealthy food?

Speaker 20 (01:15:51):
Yeah, and that's a really interesting thing. The type of
bacteria that we have in our gut will affect what
types of foods we choose to eat. However, the more
we eat like more sugary foods or more high fat
foods because the gut microbiomes then we'll want to eat
the more. So actually it's kind of like a vicious
negative feedback loop, is that the type of foods we're eating,

(01:16:13):
the more type of food we want to eat. But
actually changing your diet and making just by slowly introducing
more of those high fiber foods, so fruits, vegetables, snouts, seeds,
also maybe put a pre pre probiotic supplementing that will
help to change the microbiome. That will actually help you
in your journey to change what types of foods you're

(01:16:35):
eating and you're craving.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
So fascinating. Thank you so much. Erin we'll talk next.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Week The Sunday Session Full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
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Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Now, if like Mike, you have a peachtree and you're
struggling to keep the birds off them, I've had a
text put up some silver tape to flap in the wind.
It works a treat to scale off the birds. Thanks
so much for that text. Now, the fabulous Kiwi band
Folly are with me. Next. Gave and Ash are a
powerhouse duo taking their funk pop to the world very successfully.
The song calling Me Babe appeared on The Kardashians last year,

(01:17:10):
which is very cool regardless of whether you're a Kardashian
fan or not. Foley is with me next for a chat.
Are you gonna sing us a song as well? You're
with the News Talk Sep.

Speaker 10 (01:17:21):
Do you like your day?

Speaker 21 (01:17:24):
Kenny Babe, Kennedy say good to stop Kenny, Please stop,
Killy Star kill.

Speaker 10 (01:17:36):
Kill me.

Speaker 22 (01:17:40):
Stary Star.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
To the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great reads US Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Welcome, this is the Sunday Session. I'm Frantisca Raccon with
you until the day. Good to have you with us
this morning. Coming up this Jason Pine is going to
be with us. He will be talking sport. If the
Joseph Parker fight has begun, he will give us an update.
We just mean having a look at that actually in
the news, Baker. I'm pretty sure we just saw Winston
Peters sitting in the front row of the fight in

(01:18:21):
Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 10 (01:18:22):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
He will also be talking about Auckland FC's dominant display
over the Wellington Phoenix Surfnoon that might be a little
bit of an understatement. Also, Meghan has the lowdown on
the Global Airport Lounge Passes Priority Pass and Joan has
a new Greg Herbert's book for.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Us for a Sunday session.

Speaker 22 (01:18:48):
And there's a follow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Is there a Way at the Land? Call himself Sunloon
to the Time of My Life? Can we pop? Duo Foley.
This is one of the single from the band's second album,
That's Life Baby, coming out this week. The band is
made up of Ash Wallace and Gabe Everett and they

(01:19:16):
are back home in New Zealand ahead of the album
released this Friday. Gabe and Ash welcome in. Thank you
so much for being with us, Thanks for having us
album release. How are you feeling as it's getting closer?

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Is it nerves? Is it excitement? It's all of the above?

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Is it release?

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
I think when it go when it comes out, there's
definitely relief.

Speaker 9 (01:19:39):
It's it's crazy because you sit on this music for
ages and you're the only ones that have heard it,
and I mean, we're so excited we can't wait to
share it. But the minute that it comes out, it
stops being yours and it's everybody else's you know, and
you kind of it's like giving birth, you know. I'm
just yeah, we're so excited, we're nervous where yeah, just
all of the above.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Can't wait. Gabe, this is your second album. Do you
learn a lot from making and releasing your first album?

Speaker 6 (01:20:05):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Yeah, you know it?

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Does that experience make it easier or hearder?

Speaker 14 (01:20:10):
Actually with Signal, I think Kit made it easier this
time because we knew what we kind of had to do.
I mean that the ADDA is like, you've got unlimited
time to write your first album, and then you've got
six months to write your second. So we kind of
took that to heart, and we had like a writing deadline.
We were like, Okay, by the state, we'll have written
everything we need for the album, and then we're just

(01:20:30):
going to see what tracks we've got, put it all together,
and make it happen. And so I think the speed
at which we did at this time really lent itself
to like it being a snapshot of our lives, whereas
like the first album was more like everything super particular,
We've got to get everything right, and this one is
kind of nah, we don't have to solve every problem.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
It's just it's quite free.

Speaker 5 (01:20:53):
Isn't that very free?

Speaker 6 (01:20:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
It was who puts that deadline on you? Did you
guys go we want another album mount or did somebody
else say we want another album out pretty quickly us?

Speaker 9 (01:21:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think we felt, Yeah, we'd learned from
the first one that if we give ourselves infinite time,
we will just keep writing, Like Gabe and I will
just keep writing songs. You know, so we did have
to kind of put that line in the sand and go.
We really intentionally wanted it to feel more cohesive in
terms of the time that we wrote it. You know,

(01:21:21):
we wanted it to feel like this is six months
to a year of our lives that we're capturing, and
here's everything that happened and how we dealt with it,
and you know, so we had that intention.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
At the start.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
You said that the album is it wasn't just about
telling news stories, but about finding different ways to tell them.
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 14 (01:21:39):
I think this album, in particular, compared to our other work,
is less about the kind of solutions to like life's
issues and emotions and more just about portraying them in
a weird way. It's like we're kind of we're a
little bit wiser. We've gone through, you know, ups and
downs in our lives and together as friends and just

(01:22:03):
everything in life that you kind of go, oh, no,
I really need to like sort this out, or I
need to be here to get that career opportunity, or
like whatever it is. We felt in our earlier stuff
we were trying to like problem solve and really yeah,
trying to make our lives better. But I think in
this one it's, well, stuff's just going to come at you.
You kind of have to breeze past it. You kind
of have to have this sort of I don't know,

(01:22:24):
it feels like are we enlightened?

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
I think so you're saying, is like that that sort
of the previous songs, maybe you've been a little bit
more cathartic for you as you work through something and
now you're kind of going it felt it feels very
in the moment, like what you're describing there about it
was a short space of time you get that feeling.
It's like this is the way it is. You're very
in the moment. Look, I've got to say such great

(01:22:51):
energy on I I've been very lucky to have a
little sneak listen, and I love to listen to music
when I walk or run, and I do a lovely
morning dawn to around Cornwall Park and I was up
wandering hill faster than I have been in a long time.
This album it's perfect the summer. It's just got this gorgeous,
upbeat summer vibes. Thank you. That's so lovely. Yeah, no,

(01:23:14):
it's I highly recommend that. I was straight up singing
away and I think it's as we're just talking about.
With the songs and things, I think you've captured that
feeling of being in the moment with the title. I
just love the title. Yeah, that's yeah, I mean that
is life.

Speaker 7 (01:23:31):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:23:32):
We really a lot of the songs were written on
a song camp that we did with ourselves and our
two producers, Harry and Josh. We went to Wahiki and wrote.
In the end, it was six of the ten songs
were written in about three days, and I think that
that being part of the process meant that everything that
was happening in our lives, even just in the last

(01:23:52):
week or two before that time, was sort of on
the table to chat about and write about. So That's
Life Baby was written on that in those few days,
and I think it really became the cornerstone that we
that the rest of the album kind of went around
and that energy of just like that's life, baby, Like
as Gabe said, we're not solving it, we don't have
the answers, but here it is like here's what's happening.

Speaker 11 (01:24:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Did you just call it songwriting camp?

Speaker 21 (01:24:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
It is so much.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
It really had that energy just.

Speaker 14 (01:24:24):
Oh really yeah yeah, yeah. Like we took a bunch
of instruments and there's this photo of all the guitars
lying on the floor and we had the dining table
pulled into the lounge and the you know French doors
of this play place opened and the sunlight coming in.
It was very like, I don't know, it was like
we had what we had and we just made what
we could make with the tools that we had available.

(01:24:45):
But also like kind of dictated by the weather a bit.
It was actually so perfect. We had the sun for
the first day and half we wrote all the happy songs,
and then there's then the rain came and we were like, okay,
let's sad, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:24:59):
It was really like another member of the band dictating her.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
It was lovely, so Wahiki Islands kind of embedded in
this album. Writing that many songs in a short space
of time, that must say something about how well you
to collaborate.

Speaker 9 (01:25:13):
Yeah, differently and with Harry and Josh were the other
ones too. Yeah, I think on our first album we
wrote with a lot of different collaborators and all incredible
writers and producers, Like we're really lucky to work with
who we did, but definitely coming into this one, Josh
and Harry are such incredible songwriters and producers dare dear,
dear friends of ours, and we went into it just

(01:25:35):
wanting to work with them this time, Like we just
wanted to lock in talk about everything, not feel any
sort of you know, you've just met a person and
you're trying to write a song. It's like we had
such a comfort with them that we really wanted to
lean into. So Yeah, I think in terms of collaboration,
this this project is even more collaborative than the last
because we went so much deeper with Harry and Josh

(01:25:57):
than we could with you know, ten different producers and writers.

Speaker 14 (01:26:00):
And that's our ability as songwriters like kind of getting
better and we're getting more refined and what we do
over the years. You know, not trying to say that
we're incredible by any means, but like I think we
just have a bit more confidence now and a bit
more like self assurance, so that comes easier.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
You guys are going to perform for us in just
a moment. Before you do, I want to mention that
I believe you guys met at the smoke Free rock
Quest is a competition. I always like to mention it
whenever I can, because, my goodness, it has done wonders
for young people and music and the number of names
and bands and artists who have come out of it

(01:26:37):
or have met other people you two.

Speaker 9 (01:26:38):
Met there is that, right, Yeah, it's so special. It's
such an incredible thing to do. And I genuinely, and
I've said this to the rock Quest team many times,
like I would not be an artist if it had
not been for rock Quest, because it's just that you
have that chance to. First of all, you have a
reason to write a song. You know, you're not just
playing covers with your band. It's like you need to
write something original. And that was the only reason I
first started writing songs was because we had to have

(01:27:00):
one for rock Quest. And then beyond that, you know,
you go and you meet all these other incredible young
people that love music, and you feel like, for me,
it was that first time of feeling like I'd found
my peers, you know that had the same passion. Yeah,
one hundred, and that's so important and gives you permission
to be more creative and get ideas from other bands,
and you know, like we had a bit of a

(01:27:20):
competition going, like Gabs and my band, you know, and
we all met and got on really well, but it
was like, oh, we really want to beat them this year,
and that whole process and concept it just yeah, it's
it's such an important start, and you're playing to fairly
big crowds because you know, maybe you bought your five
or ten people, but everybody else's people are all there,

(01:27:42):
and you can play to a couple of hundred people
at a really young age. It's just it's really special.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Another special thing that happened to you guys was I
think it was last year at which Kardashians episode. It
was the opening scene of the season finale. Yeah, there's
your song?

Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
Yeah, how cool is that? That was incredible?

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Did you know it was going to happen?

Speaker 14 (01:28:08):
We Yeah, we knew it was going to happen, but
we didn't know in what capacity, Like, we didn't know
how much of the song I'd used. We didn't know
if it would just be the instrumental or anything. But
they ended up using pretty much most of it. There
was my guitar solos in there, your vocals, and they
kind of edited the whole scene around it. It was
really something, and yeah, it was. It was quite funny

(01:28:30):
because we found out a lot of people, a lot
of friends of ours that were clandestine Kardashians watchers. Yeah,
so they were like, oh, I saw you on the Kardashians.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
You watch you watched the Gutagh. It's very cool.

Speaker 9 (01:28:43):
One of those unexpected things like not on the Bingo card,
not not like a goal of ours would have been
working towards. But when something like that happens, it's like.

Speaker 19 (01:28:51):
Man, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
You know, it's cool for more people to hear it.
And yeah, it was awesome. No, it's great coverage. So
we are so delighted to Heavy back in the country
and Heavy with us. So while you're here, we are
going to make you perform for us. Happily, You're going
to perform low and Hi.

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
We are.

Speaker 22 (01:29:12):
To chere with you, turn off your so good then.

Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
The bard.

Speaker 17 (01:29:21):
Saying with you and I we fold you.

Speaker 22 (01:29:25):
The snob into ald.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
You gotta you, gotta you gotta.

Speaker 22 (01:29:33):
Be something anover another wallet, sleep on the coach, refuse
to want any.

Speaker 17 (01:29:44):
You take me, Lord and h left and right, a
refuge to want anympt.

Speaker 7 (01:29:53):
You take me.

Speaker 22 (01:29:55):
Lord, They give me blush and you don't wait so
much chance to tell it's something.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Off pulling me up.

Speaker 17 (01:30:17):
Play out with the knough.

Speaker 22 (01:30:19):
Baby, It's all right now, I'm over.

Speaker 21 (01:30:24):
You gotta you gotta you gotta.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Be sing I never never go let your sleep on
the couch.

Speaker 17 (01:30:34):
Refuse to want any want but you you take me,
law and how left and right refuse to want any
but you.

Speaker 23 (01:30:47):
Will you take me law and the tide. Got to
thinking about it, got to thinking about it, got me
think about it ever time. Got to thinking about it,
got to thinking about it.

Speaker 17 (01:31:04):
Got to think, I've refuge to any.

Speaker 22 (01:31:12):
Two you'll take, Low and high left to me a refuge.

Speaker 17 (01:31:19):
To any two.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
You take.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
And got to thinking about it. Dot be thinking about it, dark, think.

Speaker 17 (01:31:33):
Got it ever.

Speaker 23 (01:31:37):
Thinking about it, got for thinking.

Speaker 17 (01:31:40):
About it, got to think about it every time.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Thank you so much. That was Foley was low and
high and look, congratulations on the album. It is fantastic.
And you know, we've we've just been talking about the
album and we've been saying how quickly it was made. Yeah,
but I also just want to say I know that
it has been eight years. You have been together for
eight years. You've been slogging it out to get to
where you are today. So good on you for sticking

(01:32:08):
at it and you best of luck with the album.

Speaker 9 (01:32:10):
Thank you so much, really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
That was Ash Wallace and Gabe Everett. They are Kiwi
pop band Foley. Their new album That's Life Baby will
be available from this Friday. Coming up next here on
the Sunday Session, we've got the panel. It's twenty one
past eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Eve It's simple. It's Sunday, the Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Session with Francesca Rudka and Wiggles for the best selection
of the Graps News Talk sed Be.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
It's eleven twenty four and time for the Sunday Session panel.
And today I'm joined by the host of the New
Zealand Herald weekly personal finance podcast, The Prosperity Project, Nadine Higgins.
Good morning, Lder that's a bit of a mouth, it
isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
It is?

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
But we keep I can manager promise and partner at
Freeman and here lawyers. Liam Here, how are you?

Speaker 4 (01:32:56):
Liam? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
That's me Hi Liam.

Speaker 5 (01:33:01):
Hello, I'm very good, thank you, good good good good?

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Right are The debate around charities and tax exemption certainly
got reignited this week, didn't it, and all thanks to
Disney Church and the Labour MP feil Twisted has written
to the Charities regulator asking for Destney Church to be
struck off. Is this what should happen? Should Disney Church

(01:33:25):
have their charity status removed after their stunts last weekend?
I'll start with you, Liam.

Speaker 8 (01:33:31):
Well, I think you've got to be very very careful
about the precedence you're set here, especially the type of
associational liability that you know. We're the idea that all
Destiny Entities would be the registered as a result of
the actions of some of its members and of course
including its leader too. The president you're going to be
careful of, I suppose is to think about the charities

(01:33:54):
you do like that tend to break the law. Green
Pieces are registered charity. Green Peast members pretty flagrantly break
the law they trespass all the time. Do you really
want to hand to political appointees the ability to strip
Greenpeace of their charitable registration based on law breaking? I

(01:34:15):
think Phil twice it used to run Oxfam in New Zealand.
Oxfam supported the school strike for Climate. You know, there's
an argument that if you use the requirements and the
charity's law to you know, be to uphold order and
not to cause scandal and things like that, well, you know,
as encouraging truancy going to be a whopan that can
be used against charities that have supported the school stripe

(01:34:38):
for climate. So you've always got to be thinking, I think,
you know, I might not like this charity, and I
certainly hold no brief for Destiny Church, but the rules
that we make, if you applied across the board, and
the precedency set for the thing people you don't like,
will be used against the people you do like them.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Makes a very good point then, Adine. It's it's kind
of we may all be horrified by the actions and
the behavior, but we've got to make sure that whatever
precedent we sent doesn't ex impact the charities who are
working really really hard to benefit our communities.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
Oh, I think it's fair to.

Speaker 10 (01:35:13):
Say that charities are entitled to stand for things, because
otherwise what are they therefore, But most of the time
they're supposed to be there to stand up for vulnerable
people or vulnerable things like the environment, and in general,
if you're talking about breaking the law, I'm not sure
that you can equate truancy or maybe you know, sticking

(01:35:33):
your hand to the motorway or whatever to protest fossil
fuels with barricading people inside a library and accusations at
least of assault. I just think that those actions. I
know that they've been debated plenty over the past week,

(01:35:54):
But as a parent, you know, you get to make
a choice about where you take your children and what
you expose them to. And so someone else coming along
and purporting to be showing those children the difference between
right and wrong in such a way I just find
galling and so highly inappropriate that I think we should

(01:36:15):
be at least be having the debate. And look, I
know your guest earlier today pointed out that many of
the Destiny Church charities have been deregistered for failing to
file their returns, and that's a really important part of
being a charity because we need to know, given that
they are effectively supported by the taxpayer, and that they
don't have to pay tax on their income, and that

(01:36:35):
we provide tax rebates to those who donate to them,
that they're doing what they are actually set up to do,
rather than just doing it to cover whatever other agenda
they might have.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
And that raises the question of accountability and transparency.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
Liam.

Speaker 8 (01:36:54):
Yeah, so I surely believe in throwing the book at
people who know what Destiny Church did or what its
members did. You know to the extent that law breaking
your curd, sorry, the book at the people who did it,
and you know, perhaps you meet the very high threshold
of organizational malfeasants, then you should probably look at the
organization terms. Importantly to make the stress is that you can't.

(01:37:18):
You can't say that because you your values are that
you are in favor of fossil fuels would have been protested,
or you're in favor of this, or that that the
law will look the other way in some cases and
not others. Best New Church me room might have some
repugnant views, but they are strongly how personal values that
they have, and you can't organize society around what your

(01:37:41):
values and preferences are. You've got to make rules with
genuine for me.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
And if you also haven't followed the charities rules and
you haven't filed your financial reports for two years, which
you should, then you should be being looked at anyway.
Oh absolutely, And so the and how well we are
actually how well it's working and functioning, because it seems
like there's been a lot of reasons why this this
this organization should have been not bad.

Speaker 8 (01:38:06):
I'm a member of the Charities Law Association of New Zealand,
like like Sue Baker, and look that charities are the
register for not filing their charitab work turns all the time, right,
It's very common, but it's a it's an administrative function.

Speaker 11 (01:38:22):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
And you know what you.

Speaker 8 (01:38:23):
Shouldn't do is you shouldn't apply different rules to different
charities based on whether or not people in the media
or the labor party like.

Speaker 5 (01:38:30):
Them or not.

Speaker 8 (01:38:31):
You have to apply the same rules across the board
in terms of giving warnings. They're giving an opportunity to
file those returns and look at them just like everyone else.
We are every one as the titles to have their
own views and we do not apply different rules based
on the views that they have.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
Should we should the financial statements of charities be made public? Liam?

Speaker 8 (01:38:51):
They are okay, even like you look it up. You
look up for the Charities Register, you can. Yeah, And
if you do not file your returns, you get strapped
off and you're going to pay a massive, massive tax
bills at that point once you're track off on your
accumulated capital. So that you know the system needs improvement

(01:39:12):
in different ways, but you can't. You can't weaponize it
against charities they just happen to not like or disagree
with it.

Speaker 10 (01:39:18):
I would agree with Liam and that the approach needs
to be consistent across all charities, so that you're not
just picking and choosing the ones you do or do
not agree with. But I do think that there has
to be a standard of behavior for the activities that
are sanctioned by said charity. And sure there are some
things that happen in a protest that disrupt the peace,

(01:39:41):
but that is not the same as stretching as far
as to intimidation and allegedly assault.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
And I still know that.

Speaker 10 (01:39:51):
Anyone that's associated with that charity and doing things in
the name of that charity needs to be held accountable
for those actions, and we have to question whether are
those actually charitable purposes.

Speaker 8 (01:40:02):
We we we well promotion of religion has a charitble purpose.
As to intimidation in assault, we do regulate them. It's
called the Crimes Act. And if you sult someone, you're
liable to be proseculitations of assault. You know that your
focus is that has to be on that it's not
a using other legal means to try and promote the

(01:40:24):
causes that you like and don't like, you know, through
that type of indirect punishment.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
All right, I want to move on to these Chinese
warships in Australia because I think this is very much
a wake up call for New Zealand. I think the
visit is China is sending a very strong visage here
that they are intending to see what the response is
from Australia and New Zealand and quite potentially spend a
lot more time in the Tasmum as they sort of
encroach their way through the Pacific. Are we prepared for

(01:40:51):
this kind of presence? Do you think, Nadine, and do
you think we should have a stronger response to it?

Speaker 10 (01:40:58):
I don't think that we're prepared for this type of presence,
but I guess we've been sitting on the sidelines of
a lot of the difficult diplomacy between China and Australia
and China and the US, and if anything, to me,
what this suggests is that we might not continue to

(01:41:19):
have the liberty to just sort of sit on the
sidelines and can you to export as much as we
possibly can to China and try and stay out of
those more difficult diplomatic discussions.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Liam would Yeah, it is.

Speaker 8 (01:41:34):
It's really hard because you know, we do treasure having
an independent foreign policy. You talk about being unprepared, Well,
what more could we do. We're never going to build
a navy that's going to be an effected to terrent,
to the to the to the people's liberation navy. We're
always you know that we could spend everything we have
on a navy, and we could, we would still be

(01:41:54):
nothing up against them in terms of Chinese military power.
And so you know, in terms of our independence, that
really gets stress right to we are the forced to
choose one or the other because we can going alone
by ourselves. So I mean, I think the painful result
is that we I guess going to have to funt
up for the fact that we are reliant on the

(01:42:14):
Western security system and we're going to have to integrate
more closely with it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Very very quickly before you both go. A popular beach
in Portugal has banned togs. It's a fifteen hundred euro
could be issued if tourists have found wandering around the
resort town in their swim. Where so find a the beach.
It's the whole you know, togs togs undis situation again.
But I'm telling what, one five hundred euros is quite substantial.

(01:42:42):
If you have found wandering around the resort town in
your swim, where would that be, Nadine, would you off
to a cafe?

Speaker 10 (01:42:51):
I mean possibly pre children it might have been, but
these days possibly not. I wonder whether this is actually
more about the fact that this is a destination for
bachelor and bachelorette parties, and so potentially what they're trying
to deter is the kind of behavior that is happening
in their togs in parties like that, rather than necessarily

(01:43:15):
a distaste for human flesh in the town center.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
What are your thoughts then? Signs for the kids?

Speaker 5 (01:43:21):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
But maybe adults.

Speaker 8 (01:43:22):
Could you know, Well, yeah, I know, and I'm almost
forty now, and I look in the mirror and I
think if I got fifteen hundred dollars fine for walking
around on my togs only, I would think I'll be
getting off lightly. I'd be I would be grateful that
this Ordregal was so merciful towards me, because yeah, I mean, look,
it's there is a sort of there's meant to be

(01:43:44):
this sort of a suppose unwritten social understanding about what's
appropriate and what's not, and obviously it's broken down, and
how the law's going to step in, Like fifteen hundred
seems a lot, but also it's not a whole lot
to expect to have a little bit of doing the nicely.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Sad Liam, thank you both so much. That was lawyer
Liam here and host of The Prosperity Project, Nadine Higgins.
The Prosperity Project is out now on iHeartRadio or wherever
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Jason Pine will be with you at midday with weekends sport.
He just walked into the studio and I said, how's
the fight going? And it's over.

Speaker 5 (01:44:29):
It's done.

Speaker 15 (01:44:29):
Joseph Parker has knocked down Martin Bacoley in the second round,
So none of the twelve round nonsense, just a couple
of rounds. It was always going to be a bit
of a mismatch where no Biccoli only came in at
the last minute. I think, I don't even know if
he's checked into his hotel yet. He's probably just turned
up at the fight and now we'll go and check
into his hotel. Yeah. Look, Joseph Parker did it pretty comfortably.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Okay, talking about knockouts, let's talk about the football last
night and Auckland FC six Wellington Phoenix won.

Speaker 15 (01:44:57):
What happened Well, I think Auckland were terrific, Wellington were
not very good and that's the result. And as she thinks, okay,
for the first half hour, it was mill all after
thirty minutes and then Auckland just took control. This is
a very very impressive football team. They could win the
whole thing. They really could now win the whole thing.
Going to chat to coach Steve Corriker this afternoon about
his side and what the reset expectations are for them,

(01:45:20):
because man, they are absolutely flying.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Okay, so we kind of know what's going on with
Auckland FC. What does the Phoenix take out of this?

Speaker 15 (01:45:27):
Well, I don't think we have the time to unpack
it right now. We might on the show, but they've
got some work to do, and it is, you know,
work that's going to have to take place. I think
the season. Yes, they'll still continue to play, they'll still
continue to battle for the top six. But I think
I wonder whether there might be a squad overhaul coming
in the off season. It just seems to me as
though there's too many players in that team who wouldn't

(01:45:48):
make other A League teams and that's not a very
good demonstration of a squad that is quite strong.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
And if we're talking rugby, the Blues have a little
bit of work to do. Fight the Highlander is twenty
nine to twenty one. I loved it.

Speaker 15 (01:46:00):
I loved it. Oh week indneda yes, go to the Highlanders,
Go the Highlanders for league and a couple of tries
reminiscent of a young Jeff Wilson. There's blonde locks flowing.
They would have enjoyed themselves in the octagon last night.
We'll cover that off as well, and new Zelling Cricket
CEO Scott Winning leads us off with the news of
a new deal with Sky Sports six years from the
summer of twenty six twenty seven. What does this mean
for free to wear cricket? Are we still going to

(01:46:21):
have some?

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Are we?

Speaker 5 (01:46:23):
I'll ask him?

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Okay, twenty to twelve, finding way back at midday with
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(01:47:39):
Alliance flight. They were off to the US on Thursday,
and we're going to be on Southwest. We're going to
be flying American airlines through the US, So I don't
have any priority or any access to lounges or those airlines.
So the Priority pass is something you pay for annually
and then and if there's three different price points, so
you need to work out if it's worth it to you,
but you pay for that and then you just get

(01:48:01):
a reduced discount price to enter the lounges at each airport.
So you know you can have a shower, or you
can have food and drinks and what have you. Some
of the airports don't necessarily have a dedicated lounge for
Priority pass users, so you can have a little spa
treatment with your membership. So I've been doing a little
bit of investigation about that. To use Priority Pass, particularly

(01:48:22):
through the States or through Europe where you'd happily skippitying
and air New Zealand is not in sight, it might
be worth looking out looking at some people.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
Okay, so the costs start from US ninety nine dollars
and then the most expensive is US four hundred and
sixty nine dollars. I suppose it's so that's for a year.

Speaker 24 (01:48:41):
That's three year's membership. Yeah, so you need to go
all right, well I pay that much because some of
the lounges you can buy a day past two. So
at Auckland Airport, Priority Pass gives you access to the
Strata Lounge, but you can actually buy that a Strata
Lounge entry for I think it's like seventy New Zealand
dollars so, which is forty US. So you know you'd

(01:49:02):
need to be probably using it ten or plus times
a year, so it's not for everyone. But it's perhaps
some busy travelers, business travelers who are zipping through Asia
or whatever and are on different airlines depending any company
might put them on one that that is just the
cheapest option and so be worth looking at paths. But yeah,
done some comparisons that people work it out.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Yeah, a really good idea. I do say that they
said a pre book your lounge though, because of course
the lounge is going to be subject to space availability exactly.

Speaker 24 (01:49:30):
And at Auckland Airports, Strata lounges Air New Zealand's carrier,
you know, like when they get too full, they'll send
people from Corey to the Strata lounge. So yeah, you
would need to book your spot because you might be
left sitting outside drinking a coke out of a paper
cup if you don't pre book.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
Well, there's nothing wrong with that. Lots of us do that, Megan,
when we travel, you know, don't spend our time in
lounges drinking champagne. Are the lounges nice? Have you been
in any of them?

Speaker 11 (01:49:59):
Yes?

Speaker 24 (01:49:59):
Yes, yes, well they are off they are the airline
lounges as well. So in JFK you port for a
example that you can use a number of lounges. Lufthansa,
Turkish air Lines a bunch of them. So they are
general regular lounges that you get access to through this
priority pass and sometimes they stand alone. And you can't
buy any lounge passes in JFK for what I've read,

(01:50:21):
just one off like a one day use, so you
do need to be a member to access any lounges,
and some of them you need to check our landslide,
which then you go, oh all right, I've still got
to allow time to get through security. So there's still
a lot for people to look at. But if you
haven't heard of priority paths, have a look at it
before your next big trip and it might be worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Air No, really interesting, Thank you so much. Meghan blogger
at large dot com is where you find Meghan Singleton
and next week she's going to be joining us probably
from afloat at the New Orleans Mardi Grass, so that's
going to be very interesting. Cross looking forward to that.
It is twelve to twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
Books with wiggles for the best Election of Grape Reeves.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Joining me now to talk books is Joe McKenzie. Good night,
Hello Greg Hurwit's very popular author, and I know a
favorite of yours.

Speaker 25 (01:51:11):
Yeah, I love his books. I always say, if you
like Jack Reacher, then you will like this guy. He's
written a series of books called Orphan X, and this
is the tenth in that series. But he's kind of
morphed it as he's gone along, because he was Orphan
X for quite a long time and then he became
The nowhere Man, and in this new book he's moved
on from that to almost an entirely other plane, and

(01:51:32):
it's just brilliant. The nowhere Man was someone who helped
people who got into trouble, and then he gave him
his phone number and said, when you find someone who
needs me, give them this number and I will get
in there and look after them. That's what he was doing.
But because of the way that he lives. He was
brought up in a camp for orphans where he was

(01:51:52):
taught all the black ops for becoming a government assassin,
and it all sounds terribly far fetched, but it absolutely
works in these books. He's always been very much alone,
never really had a friend, and the descriptions of the
way he lives have always been fantastically entertaining. He lives
in this seven thousand square foot penthouse, which on the
outside looks like all of the others, but his security

(01:52:13):
arrangements have things like the steel interior of his door
has a water core inside it so that a battering
ram couldn't get through the door, and once you're inside,
it's completely over the top security, but just brilliant in
this book, I'll just quickly say, My favorite and almost
hard to believe, is that he wears a jacket which

(01:52:34):
has magnetic buttons which help him get to his holster faster,
and he has an adverserial pattern woven into the design,
which apparently adds a storm of pixel noise to fuzz
the criteria by which AI could recognize him and makes
them invisible to his enemies.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
How useful is that? It's very useful.

Speaker 25 (01:52:52):
So anyway, no friends Until fifteen years ago, he meets
a guy called Tommy Stojak, who was an ex Green
Beret and a former gun runner, and he becomes the
main source of supply for Evans' weapons and equipment, and
they're closest brothers. In this book, tom has violated evans
very strict moral code, which results in all out warfare

(01:53:12):
between them. It's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
Okay, So it's almost sort of a bit more of
a personal internal story.

Speaker 5 (01:53:19):
It is.

Speaker 25 (01:53:20):
Yes, it is as very much as I said, it's
moved to another plane, and it is very much from
the personal perspective of Evans' values and the way that
he thinks he should live his life.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
Okay, that's good. I mean, when you're on your tenth book,
you've got to kind of keep it moving on, don't you. Yeah.
And it certainly as okay, I love it. The House
of my Mother vy Shari Frank tell me about this.

Speaker 25 (01:53:37):
Shari was one of six children in a family, the
Frank family, which became known on YouTube as eight Passengers,
and her mother got a thing for YouTube when she
realized that she could monetize things, so she started to
film the family and she posted everything about the family
on this YouTube channel called eight Passengers, being the six
kids and the two parents, and these kids' lives were

(01:54:00):
put up there as post a children, post a family
for the most perfect family, and behind the scenes it
was anything but her mother was increasingly brutal and remote
and difficult, and when she eventually took up with someone
who termed herself a relationship coach, her name was Jodi.
The two of them got into Khurtz and became so

(01:54:21):
far removed from reality that the abuse that they perpetrated on,
particularly the younger kids in this family, was absolutely outrageous.
And I can say now that the mother and the
relationship coach are in prison doing a prison sentence, and Shari,
who was the eldest of the children, who was in
her early twenties, has written this book about what it

(01:54:43):
was actually like to grow up in that family.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
Sounds a bit grim, Joan. It is a bit grim,
sort of opened at the end of the tunnel, right
at the end of the tunnel.

Speaker 25 (01:54:54):
Yes, there is, because Shari's got out and managed to
start to make a life for herself and she will
make sure that her siblings are fine. But I think
what it is is it's a kind of a warning
cautionary about what you see online and what you believe
about what you see online, and the dangers that are
sometimes hidden there. That it's really important that people understand

(01:55:16):
that not everything you see is as it looks.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
Interesting. Thank you so much, Joan. The two books Nemesis
by Greg Hurwitz and the second book, There Was The
House of My Mother by Shari Frank. You're with the
News TALKSB Talk next week, Johan, see you then.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
Thank you very much for your company today. Thank you
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you through until three today. Hey, next week on the show,
we have all six of Henry the Eighth's ex wives
in the studio. They are the cast of Six the
musical and they are going to do a live theater

(01:56:02):
number for us. This is going to be very interesting
to see how we pull us off, but I'm very excited.
And also kais Bang, who is a Danish actor who's
appeared in all sorts of films. He was in the
TV show Bad Sisters on Apple TV and also films
like The Square. He is in a new Epica blockbuster
about William Tal He's going to be with us to
talk about that experience as well. Enjoy the rest of

(01:56:23):
your Sunday and look forward to catching up with you
next week.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
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Speaker 3 (01:56:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
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