Full Show Podcast: 27 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great reads News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session on News
Talks VB. I'm pretty chessy rugging with you until midday
to day. How you hope your long weekend is going well.
It looks like the worst of the weather is over,
which is good. How about those black Caps claiming a
historic Test series victory in India? More on the cricket
shortly here on News Talk SeeDB. Coming up on the

(00:49):
show's day, the delightful Jack Whitehall and his father Michael
joined me to talk about their hugely popular Netflix shows
they do together and the Joy of Fatherhood. They are
bringing their live show to New Zealand and January. We're
going to find out what to expect from the show,
and I believe they both have quite different ideas about
how it's all going to one. Jack and Michael Whitehall
join me after ten. Also on the show today, Nagi Mayhashi.

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Ten years ago, Naggi quit her job as an auditor.
She published some recipes on a website. Two people visited
the website that day, Nagi and her mum. She now
gets half a billion visits every year her social media following,
She's got about over five million people following her. Her
first book, Dinner was Australian Book of the Year, and
she runs a charity that donates one hundred and thirty

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thousand meals a year. Nagi is massive and she's as
fame adverse as they come. She's got a new cookbook out.
She joins us after eleven and of course you can
text any time throughout the morning ninety two, ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Two, the Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
If you have a child in year thirteen, like we do,
there's a good chance they had their last official day
of school on Friday. It has been a big week,
with a fitting celebration on Friday night. It's also been
quite emotional. There are, of course exams still to come
and at graduation dinner, but thirteen years of bells, uniforms, timetables,

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organize sport study, exams, dramas and discovering your identity as
you move from tween to teen has come to an end.
It has been a lot. Just completing high school is
an accomplishment in itself, so regardless of whether you have
loved or hated the experience, it is worth taking a
moment to celebrate and reflect. Thirteen years three schools, a

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roller coaster ride filled with highs and lows, regrets and achievements,
lessons learned both in the classroom and socially, and for
many it's one of the toughest social experiments we'll experience.
So congratulations to all the school leaders out there. You
have survived the zoo. And now as life changes for
one member of our family, it changes for us all,

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and we all feel a bit differently about it. In
our house, my son has made the most of celebrating
the comrade of his year group and the Shenanigans of
the final week of school, but admits he's emotional about
it all coming to an end. His father is too.
He's contemplating how much he will miss his son when
he moves to a different city for university next year.

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Like many younger siblings, his sister is simply looking forward
to having a bathroom to herself. As for me, well,
I'm a mixed bag of nostalgia, relief, and excitement. Nike
his father. I think I struggled with the loss of
my gorgeous young boy when puberty hit, so that stage
when they go from cudly, overly enthusiastic and communicative to

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grunters who can't remember why they cross the room. As
the parent dealing with the more day to day aspects
of our kids' lives, I grieved for the loss of
my little boy. I knew we'd be back, and he is,
and he's gorgeous and smart and kind and happy young man.
But I wonder whether that grief that mothers experienced when

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their sons are around thirteen is an opportunity for them
to slowly start preparing to let their boys go at
seventeen eighteen. When he leaves, I am going to miss
him terribly, but I know he is ready to go,
and he needs to go, and I believe our mother's
son relationship will go to a whole new level when
he does.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
So.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yes, I am sentimental about the end of school. I'm
emotional seeing the emotion between mates, the strength of the
friendships he's made, and the realization many are heading off
in different directions next year. But I'm also hugely excited
for him to explore his new found freedom and find
what his future holds. To keep the emotions in check.
This week I drew on Celia Lashley, author of He'll

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Be Okay, Growing Gorgeous Boys into good Men. She had
a bridge of adolescence concept. She believed mothers should walk
onto the bridge, let their son's hand go, sit on
the side and enjoy watching him, occasionally engaging in what
is going on if help is needed, and as hard
as they it is going to be. That is what
I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Try and do the Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
So look, congratulations, if your child finished their official head
their official day of school, has graduated from school. In
a sense, it is a mighty achievement, and I hope
you're enjoying reflecting on the smilestone and looking forward to
what is coming next. If you have any advice to
me as to prepare for our first child to leave
home next year, vire it through. I know it can

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take a lot of pearance. By surprise, you think you're
ready for it, and then they go, and it can
be quite an emotional experience. So love to hear from you.
You can text ninety two to ninety two. Craig coming
is with us next to talk about the black Caps
historic win in India. It's twelve past.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Nine, grabb Recover.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudgin and Witkles for
the best selection of braverys used talk s'd be.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
It is fifteen past nine. Francesca, I hear every word
you're saying, as my boy is also finishing gall and
we'll also head off to Uni. Your summary is bang on,
although I'm swallowing back the tears listening to you. However,
that yoga retreat is looking promising and possible. It's looking
as possible as if it's ever looked in the past
eighteen years. Yes, I hear you very much. Thank you

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for your text. Love to hear from you throughout the morning.
Historical victory for the black Caps last night, claiming their
first ever Test series win in India. The result is
not only the black Caps first ever series victory on
Indian soil, but it's India's first Test series loss since
twenty twelve, ending a streak of eighteen straight series victories.

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To talk about the win, I'm joined by former Black
Cap Craig coming. Thanks so much for being with us, Craig, pleasure,
my pleasure. Did you see that coming?

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Now?

Speaker 6 (06:53):
It's been a week I think where we'd all put
a hands up as supporters on New Yelling cricket and
say we didn't see probably the wife runs winning the
World Cup and even New Zealand winning the first Test
was probably a surprise, especially after they lost in and
you know there's all even a soul searching and I
suppose as fans, where are we but disheartened? But then

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to go to this Test match after winning the first
Test match, you just don't expect anything to go in
your favor when it comes to the conditions the pitch,
you know India will be better. But Tom Latham did
a great thing. He won the toss and betted first
and then they played brilliantly. You know, Mitch Satner again
came into the side because Michael Bracewell has come home
for the birth of a child and not really probably

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performed brilliantly with the ball over his career, probably to
the expectations that we've all had for him for many years,
and to go out and perform the way he did
I think the bravery of the way they played with
their bat. They're really proactive and I thought Tom Latham's
captaincy was superb. So so if I put my hand
on my heart, friend, she's good. No, I wouldn't say
I predicted it, but gee was. It was so worth

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watching and it's the toughest place to go and play
cricket and to come away with you know, our first
series win is a really special moment for especially the players,
but obviously all the fans that have watched many many
hidings that we've had over the years. When we go
to India.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Put it into perspective, Craig, I mean, how big is
this win by the Black Cats.

Speaker 6 (08:20):
It's probably like beating the All Blacks, you know, two
Test matches at Eden Park. Yeah, you know, if we
put it into context to what we used to you know,
India just don't lose at home or and if they
lose a Test. They lost the first Test to England
last year and then they went on and beat them
in the next four, so you know, you've just got
It's just tough. It's it's conditions. It's hot, it's humid,

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you know, you sweat, it's tough on your concentration. You
then play on pittures that are very very different, the
complete opposite to what we're probably used to playing on
in what we grow up and our natural instincts are,
and then against the team that normally performs brilliantly in
its own conditions. So yep, we've beaten the All Blacks
two nil at Eden Park with four houses and you

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know we've got a chance to go to win three nil. Yeah,
this is you know, the World Test Championships probably one
of the greatest moments if you could beat Australia, and
Australia that would be right up there, that would be
equivalent to because that's that's as hard as it gets
as well. And we've got not a very good record
over there either. But you know, this is this is
nearly at the year rest of Test cricket for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Keeping all that in mind, just the conditions and things,
what was key then to the performance to get this victory.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
In the toss just makes such a difference. Yea, And
I know that's that's a luck thing, but being able
to bat first, but I think, well two things to
that to me was how proactive le how aggressive we
were with the bat. It was one of those ones
if you if you just probably naturally bat and play
the ball on its merit, you're probably going to get
out eventually. And especially with Ashwyn and Judasia who performed

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so well at home, but they were able to be
you know, super aggressive. They took really good options. You know,
that first in is total you never know what it's
going to be like and to see how well you bowl.
And then Mitch Satner just bowled beautifully in that first innings.
As soon as you get one hundred run lead, you
still have to bat well. And I was super like
Tom Latham's innings in the second. His second knock was

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outstanding to get close to one hundred on those conditions
and it just put pressure on them. And one of
the other thing that's to that to me was Tom.
You know they've gone in with you know, a slightly
different boling cap, but he was more patient I think
with his bowls, like he really let sat and the
probably just get into his work. You know. Phillips played
a big role, whereas maybe in Sri Lanka we chopped

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and changed our bowlers a lot. You know, ages patl
didn't get a lot of bowling and he's probably your
number one spinner going into this Test match, so you
know you've got to have all the things going away.
But I just thought their positivity and their ability to
take the game to India and not set on the
India dictate. We went at them and knocked them off
their stride and I think that was a real key
moments and you know throughout the whole Test.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Match, Craig, what's the significance of this victory without Kan Williams.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
You know, again I put into content's like playing a
test match, you know, when we were good without Richie
mccaugh or call Dan Carter, you know Cain for scale
factor obviously number one because he's you know, he's our
best ever better, but just also his experience. I mean
he'll been in the background and helping, but his experience
out in the middle. But what it will say happens

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is sometimes, you know, you know, if you get rid
of the big oaks, the little trees can grow. And
we're seeing that. I thought even while young battled away,
I thought he played beautifully in the second thing. He's
only got twenty five or something, but it's given him
an opportunity and yeah, I mean he's he's the greatest
ever cricketer in my eye. You know, him and Sir
Richard Hadley sit along with the pattern ball. But it

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just allowed other players to show their skills and you know,
maybe and also thinks it helps, you know, Tom Latham
being out in the middle, you know sometimes if you've
got too many cooks and not saying Kaine into feace
because he doesn't. He's a wonderful supporter and his team first,
but probably glowed Tom just to do what he wanted
to do instead of looking over his shoulder and maybe
asking questions and thinking, hey, i'll go unspected Kine, he

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just trusted his instincts and I thought, yeah, his captain
c throughout this Test match was outstanding and it sets
us up beautifully for the future. There was a big
call by them to get rid of Tim Soudie or
Tim Soudie to step down. It was a very much
a team first call from Tim, which you'd expect if
people know Tim closely, that he is about the team.
But it just allowed Tom to go out and do

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what he does as a captain. He's a very different letter.
He's a quieter person, but again cricket's one of those
games where the captain has the major influence on a game.
You still make all the decisions. You're not connected with
walkie talkies. You know, you've still got to trust your instincts.
And I thought the way he led the side and
this decision making his fields, his bowling changes, I thought

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were outstanding.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Craig, thanks so much of your thoughts. Really appreciate your
time this morning. It's twenty two past nine.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
The Sunday's version.

Speaker 7 (13:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
The Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting wrapped up yesterday in Apia.
News talk ZDB political editor Jason Wolves was at the
meeting with Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Winston Peters and
he is with me now. Good morning, Jason, Oh, good morning.

Speaker 8 (13:21):
How are you doing.

Speaker 9 (13:22):
Good?

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Good to talk to you now. You have been with
the Prime Minister in Samma. Talk us through what the
Prime Minister has been up to in Apia.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (13:31):
Well, as is usually the case with these trips with
the Prime Minister, he has quite a full agenda and
there's not really munch of downtime for reporters of the
We're not actually focused on downtime. We're out of work,
we're there to report the news.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
So it was a lot of diplomatic meetings.

Speaker 10 (13:46):
Of course, he met with Sir Kia Stama, which is
probably the highlight of the diplomatic sort of side of things,
and they talked about the two countries, various different relationships
and many aspects such as the trade relationship, various different
people to people connections, which is acause it only really
comes up in these bilateral conversations because what kind of
other connections could you possibly have.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
And of course one of the big things here was
the chat with the King.

Speaker 10 (14:12):
The Prime Minister sat down with King Charles, and there
is a bit of a royal protocol around not repeating
what was said in those conversations as sort of the
ultimate Chatham House rules, but the Prime Minister did say
that he was very charming and the pair head a
very lovely chat which he was very hospitable and King Charles, essentially,
you know, the day before, had been throwing down the

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climate gauntlet to a lot of the leaders here, the
fifty six leaders, basically telling them to get their a
into g when it comes to climate change and do
more to come up with various different initiatives. So you
would have thought that the government stad and ran with it,
but they have. The day afterwards they announced a twenty
million dollar Climate Pacific Resilience Fund, which is sort of

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a way of building private and private and equity in
bringing it into the Pacific Islands. But they said that
there wasn't because of the king that said that. They
said that they've been working on this for a long
time and Winston Peter said that they weren't going to
come to this form empty handed. So quite a lot
on their agenda over the last couple of days.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Okay, so talk to tell us about New Zealand's commitment
to the specific Resilience Climate Fund.

Speaker 10 (15:20):
Yeah, so it's twenty million dollars and it's essentially there
to set up the fund because they want to attract
some public and private capital to come in and build
various different climate change mitigation efforts within the Pacific. So
the US is a part of it as well. They've
spent roughly one hundred and ten New Zealand dollars helping
to set it up. Saudi Arabia are also a part,

(15:40):
as are Australia. So there's quite a few various different nations. Sorry,
that's my mistake. The US is only about forty one
million rather than one hundred million. One hundred million was Australia,
so there are a couple of nations involved in the
Prime Minister and Winston Peters are actually already calling on
other countries to get involved and stomp up some cash
for that fund as well.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Okay, so it's getting some backing. Look this message on
climate do you think it's getting through? Will it result
in meaningful change?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I probably not.

Speaker 10 (16:11):
I mean every single time you go to one of
these forums, it's pretty much the same message. It doesn't
matter if it's from the King or if it's from
any other sort of keynote speaker. They all sort of
say the same thing. And I think, you know, the
government should be commended for doing something anyway. I mean,
this Resilience Fund isn't just the government throwing money at
a problem. It's actually setting it up to attract private

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and public money for other players, so it actually builds
into something a little bit greater. So I think it's
probably a good initiative, and it's not a huge amount
of money for the government. Twenty millions in the big
twenty million in the big scheme of things isn't actually
huge from the government coffers. But yeah, you know, King
Charles was always going to talk about this. I mean,
nothing that he said was particularly surprising. I would say.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Winston Peter's met with the samon Deputy Prime Minister and
I'm sure that the Manawanui was on the agenda there, Jason,
it was indeed.

Speaker 10 (17:02):
I mean it's been interesting because there's been a bit
of a divergence in opinion between the Prime Minister and
the Deputy Prime Minister on the perception around whether we
need to say sorry or not. The Prime Minister said
quite categorically that he's said sorry many many times to
the Samoan government about this unfortunate accident. But Winston Peter
says that you know, New Zealand doesn't owe Samoa an

(17:24):
apology over this. They were here for the purpose of
aid with the Manawanui and the vessel that ran aground
was doing surveying for Chogham for the Commonwealth Heads of
Government Forum, so no apology necessary. So there's a little
bit of a divergence between the two of them on
this one. But nevertheless, of course the Prime Minister is
the Prime Minister and he's won out on this one.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Jason. Have there been any other key issues discussed over
the last few days.

Speaker 10 (17:49):
Well, well, there's I mean, in terms of other conversations
as other leaders were having, there's been a lot of
talk about reparations for the past essentially. I mean, you
can't really talk about the Commonwealth without it's sort of
dock passed in a lot of colonization and part of
the world. Of course, that was always going to come up,
and the King did mention briefly mention it in his

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speech and there's been some talks from Serkistama as well,
so that was sort of on the British side of things.
And of course as this was all bubbling away, there
was some scandal happening in New Zealand around first of
all Andrew Bailey and then later in the week Eis
chevril In, a relative in the Ministry of Health that
was working on smoking and regulation policy. However, the Ministry

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of Health didn't tell Minister Costello's office, so there's been
Winston's been very very unhappy about that. But Winston Peters
also just said the name of the public, so that
was in question and you're not supposed to do that
as a minister. There's a power dynamic between a public
servant and the deputy prime minister. They can't really defend
themselves as well as the Prime Minister or the Deputy

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prime Minister can. However, I tried a number of times
over the course we kend to ask the Prime Minister
is this acceptable from within Peter's and every single time
he just refused to answer and just started talking about
something else.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, a little bit to sort out there. On their return,
Christopher Luxen sat next to Queen Camilla at a dinner
hosted by the King, and deed he did.

Speaker 10 (19:19):
He said that, I mean, basically he had the same
things to say about her as he did about King Charles.
He said that she was very warm, very hospitable, had
a deep edge of New Zealand and really enjoyed New
Zealand and knew a lot about us. And so, I mean,
you really get the sense that if they could, they
would come to New Zealand King Charles's health obviously as
a factory only. Really, I mean, there was a big

(19:40):
question marks raised about this trip, especially going to Australia
as well, so you kind of get the sense that
if they could come, they would have come. But unfortunately
that doesn't seem like it's going to happen with the
King's health. Other than that, you know, Chris Luxon said
his table manners were great. He was using the right
knives and forks. His eldows were off the table, so
good for him. His mum would be so pleased.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
My mother always said to me, as long as you
know how to behave, if you had dinner with the
King and Queen, you've got you also got to go
to the market with First Lady Amanda Luxen do any shopping.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Jason, Well, it.

Speaker 10 (20:13):
Was a really novel experience because Amanda Luxin isn't really
seen in public all that much. I mean, you might
see her in an Instagram post with the Prime Minister.
You might see her sort of wandering in the background
of a speech somewhere, but she's not really as front
and center, and we don't have a tradition of that
here in New Zealand. I mean, if you look over
in the US, the First Lady is essentially basically almost

(20:36):
a political figure in their own right. But over here
there are first ladies and first gentlemen have been really
more behind the scenes, which is why it was so
curious to see on the media program that we could
go and join miss Luxon for an afternoon or morning
at the market. And it was a soggy it was
a downpoward sort of day, and it was all undercover.
And then she came in and she looked at a

(20:56):
few things and she tried everything. That's funny. Everywhere she
went there would try to give it to her for free,
and she said, no, no, no, I'll pay for it
until they one man's stepped away. She was at a
carving shop and made a call and then came back
and said, I've just talked to our commissioner. Because it
was a carving shop that was run by the Samoan
prison and it was in a bit to rehabilitate prisoners.

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They would carve very beautiful, intricate pieces of art and
seldom and the commissioner said, oh, we'd like to give
you this, and she couldn't, really, she couldn't refuse that one.
So she got a beautiful carved wooden hook, and that
she said she was going to leave at home. She
was going to put it in a bookshelf at home
so people can ask her about the story behind it.

(21:38):
So it was really interesting to see her out in public,
and I thought that, you know, obviously you're a bit
nervous when you're in these sort of situations and these
cameras and microphones everywhere.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
But I thought she did quite a good job.

Speaker 10 (21:48):
I think they should probably utilize her a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
I thought the same thing. Thought she asked some really
seemed very interested in as some great questions. And yeah,
nice to see her out and about Jason. Thank you
so much for wrapping up the trip to some more
appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (22:02):
So no problem at all.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
And coming up nixt we're going to hit the ueas
Dan mitch and is with us to talk about the
final couple of weeks of the presidential campaign. It is
twenty eight past twenty eight minutes to ten News Talks AB.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks at.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
B Yes, good to have you with us, hey for
our politics segment. This week, We're going to head to
the United States because it is a very busy time
in the US less than two weeks out from the
November fifth election, to talk us through how things are
shaping up. I'm joined by US correspondent Dan Mitchison.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Good morning, Dan, and good morning to you. Hey.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
I believe that the American Psychological Association has come out
talking about how stressed voters are.

Speaker 11 (22:49):
Yeah, and I don't think honestly this just applies to
the average person, But I think it's one of the
reasons why we're losing a lot of people in this
business over here too. And by this business I mean
the media. I think people are tired of working for
what they see as partisan news organization over here, which
is something that we've dealt with for a number of

(23:11):
years now. But this report that came out, you know,
found that money and health and family are still wearing
people down. But the issue that is dominating it right now,
and like you said, we're less than two weeks to
the Olympics, it feels like it feels like right yes,
is the election is politics? Seven out of ten adults
say that this is a big stress in their lives

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and the lives of their friends and family, and all
the polls.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Are saying it is so tight down. Do you feel
that the polls are an accurate indication of how people
on the street are feeling.

Speaker 11 (23:44):
That's a good question. I wish I could say yes
or no. I would say, at this point in time,
it feels a little bit more like the polls are accurate,
and it does feel like that both candidates are just
have a razor depending on which pole you're looking at,
a razor thin margin of victory over one or over
the other. I mean, a few months ago, before Kamala
Harris got into this race, I think it was a

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foregone conclusion that Donald Trump was going to come back
and he was going to serve a second term, and
Joe Biden just couldn't get the support from voters. There
wasn't any excitement and any enthusiasm. And and that's saying
a lot, because honestly, Donald Trump just didn't seem to
have that spark over the last few months that he
had had previously. But then Kamala gets into the race,
and now all of a sudden, you've got people that

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are saying, well, wait a minute, here, this is this
is a little bit more interesting. And you've gone from
a race that had two very elderly white men to
h we could be looking at the first, you know,
a mixed race of Indian African American female president in
our nation's history.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Dan Post debate, Harris headmanmentum, why hasn't she been able
to push a heat.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Well, I think.

Speaker 11 (24:52):
I think that she has sort of kind of ebbed
and flowed in this.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Case.

Speaker 11 (24:58):
You know, she was very careful about who she spoke to.
In fact, she didn't speak to a lot of people.
And I think there was a lot of projection by
voters who didn't know a lot about Kamala Harris once
she did get into the race, because you know, let's
face it, a vice president doesn't do a heck of
a lot. You know, when when when when Trump comes
out and says, you've had four years to implement this, Well,

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she hasn't had four years. Joe Biden had four years
to implement this. She's had four years to support what
Biden has or or maybe try to make a little
inroad on something like this. And then all of a sudden,
she does this media blitz, and depending on the polls
that you look at, some of the polls went up
and others said, wait a minute, this isn't the person
that we necessarily thought that we were hoping she would be.

(25:40):
We started listening to her speak, and she's not the
best speaker in the world, but neither is Donald Trump,
and look at how well he does. I mean, he
can just ramble like he did on this podcast with
Joe Rogan this weekend, Who has you know, the most
popular podcast in the world, And he went on for
three hours. A lot of it was just rambling.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
So what is it going to take for Trump or
Harris to get on top here? What do they need
to do?

Speaker 11 (26:05):
I think what they're going to have to do is,
I mean, it's this voter turnout that we're looking at
this year. I mean, early voting is at record levels
in a lot of the battleground states. We have six
or seven that really are going to I think, determine
the outcome of this election. And the vote count in
these states have already exceeded more than half of the
turnout that we had four years ago, especially in Georgia.

(26:29):
The polling suggests from what we're seeing, still a very
razor thin margin in the race between these two in
Pennsylvania and Arizona and Georgia and Michigan and let's see Wisconsin, Nevada,
and I believe North Carolina. So it's going to come
down to the election night. And I think that while

(26:50):
we may be closing in an election day, the race
may not be called until a day or two after
because each state has different regulations on how they count
the ballots. Here and remember, if we go back to
when Biden was declared the winner, that wasn't until I
think it was two days after the election. Here was
the seventh of Novae.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Is anyone panicking the Democrats of the Republican's panicing.

Speaker 11 (27:12):
I don't know if they're panicking. I think Trump is
going to between now and the election day do what
he does, which is not stay on target. I think
he's going to sort of zig and zag. I think
Harris and her campaign are going to try to make
her look a little bit more presidential. We're going to
see her in these surroundings with flags behind her. Hopefully

(27:34):
she's going to stay on the teleprompter. She just had
a big, a big event with Beyonce. Trump is speaking
in New York at Madison Square Garden this weekend. So
I think he's just going to do what he does
when he feels like it, and it doesn't matter what
he says or what he does, He's still going to
make headlines.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Dan, really appreciate your time because I know you're busy.
That was Dan Mitchinson there from the US. Don't forget
the coming up after ten. I'm joined by UK comedian
and actor Jack Whitehall along with his father and Michael.
The stats of the Netflix travel and Fatherhood shows it
should be entertaining. It is nineteen to.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Ten Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin
and Winkles for the best selection of Greg Greeds please
talk savy Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
With a Sunday session. It is seventeen to ten. Also,
just reminding you that qualification for the Mexican Grand Prix
should start about ten o'clock out time. We're going to
keep an eye on how well the m Lawson does
star out the morning for you. Now, though, in the
last couple of weeks we found out the Sun has
hit peak solar energy. That announcement was followed this week
with NASA warning about potential downside, so the possibility of

(28:42):
geomagnetic storms, blackouts and global communication disruptions. But the solar
maximum is also behind some of the most beautiful auroras
we have seen, and so it all sounds quite extreme.
We thought we'd get to the bottom of what is
really going on. So to help us out is doctor N. Griffin.
He's an astronomer and director at a Tiger University. He's
with me now, good morning.

Speaker 8 (29:03):
Good morning, how are you doing.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
I'm really good now with mind talking me through what
a solar maximum is and how often this occurs.

Speaker 8 (29:12):
Yes, so the Sun varies over the course of an
eleven year period. This thing's called the soda cycle. And
what happens is the number of spots you see on
the Sun goes from hardly any at the start of
the cycle to loads and loads, which is what we're
seeing at the moment. And basically the sun spots can

(29:33):
create these big storms that come towards the Earth. So
when the Sun is at its maximum, when we see
lots of spots on the Sun, we tend to see
lots of activity, and we see lots of auroras, and
then sometimes we get these enormous storms that can impact
on the power grid and do strange things to satellites
in orbit.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
So I'm going to sound very simple here. So basically
over there to live in new period does the Sun
just build up and build up and then it has
this release and that's what we call the maximum, and
then it kind of resets into the cycle again.

Speaker 8 (30:01):
Well, it's a bit more gradual than that, so it's
not like there's done and then all of a sudden
lots and lots slowly builds over the course of the cycle.
So here down here in the south of New Zealand,
even when the sun is not very active at solar minimum,
we do see the occasional aurora or southern lights displayed.
But over the last you know, the last few months,
it's been amazing, have been some of the best of

(30:22):
oral displays I've ever seen. I've been looking at for
nearly fifty years now, so you know, And that's all
to do with this particular soda cycle, which is a
lot more active than people were predicting.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
And how sorry, and how long will it last.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Well, the solar.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
Maximum lasts about a year and then it slowly declines
to another minimum in about five years time. So at
the moment we are, as NASA has officially said, we're
right at the peak of this particular solar cycle. And
actually that even right now there's a group of sun
spots on the sunder about to face Earth, and if
they let rip in the next few days, we may

(30:57):
well get to see some more solar storms and more auroras.
So it's a really interesting time if you're interested in
the southern lights to kind of be living at the
moment because there's so much.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Absolutely Now, what about we've sort of been warned about
the potential chaotic solar storms and the impact they can
have on us with our satellites and disrupting global communications.
Is that at the extreme end of things or could
that very much be expected?

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (31:22):
No, it certainly happened. I mean, back in May of
this year there was probably the biggest soda storm of
the last twenty odd years, and that particular so storm
was so powerful that the New Zealand grid they made,
they adapted it to make sure it wasn't going to
be damaged by it. But even so in places like Canada,
which was the plasting Sea isn't in May, some of

(31:42):
the tractors that were controlled by GPS started going wonky,
so you can get these effects. And actually, back in
eighteen fifty nine, the biggest solar storm that's we ever
known about was so strong that back then the telegraph system,
which was the Internet of its day, was completely powered
up by the solar storm, and there are record of
telegraph operators getting electric shocks, so soda storms can be

(32:05):
particularly disruptive, and of course now we rely on the
power grid so much for our lives, protecting the grid
from the biggest soda storms is a very good idea.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
How else can humans be impacted by song storm?

Speaker 8 (32:20):
Well, as I say, the main impact is if it's
a really enormous soda storm, it can potentially knock out
the power grid and take almas, which is a very
bad day, but certainly also impacts on the satellite system
and as I say, the storm back in May played
havoc with some of the GPS systems, and of course
lots of people rely on GPS to navigate and find
their way around, so that can be a real impact

(32:41):
on everyday life. And also some of the satellites that
Elon muscallaunched, the Starlink satellites, were impacted by a soda
storm a year or so ago when the soda storm
was so violent that it really impacted on their satellite
systems and some of them actually re entered a little
bit early. So you know, it can really impact on

(33:02):
everyday life and it's not something to be trifled with.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
So I think has crossed none of us happens, but
in the meantime we can enjoy these beautiful auroras absolutely.

Speaker 8 (33:13):
And what's been stunning about the auroras this year. Normally,
and I say I live down on the South Island
in Dunedin, we get to enjoy them a lot down here,
but this year some of the auroras have been so powerful.
People even north of Auckland have seen them, and that
really is quite rare. So my observation is if your
listeners haven't had a chance to go and see an aurora,
it's definitely worth looking out for, especially if you do

(33:36):
live in the South Island. And some of the auroras
this year have been incredible. I mean the one there
was actually two weeks ago. There were two within the
space of three days, and both of them the whole
sky was glowing and it was just one of the
most amazing things I've ever seen, to see kind of
greens and reds and lights dancing and flashing lights across
the sky. A really good aurora is one of the

(33:56):
most beautiful things you can see. And of course it's
completely free of charge. Do you just look up and
look at it?

Speaker 3 (34:01):
There we go, Oh look, Thank you so much for
your time. Doctor Ingriffin, astronomer and director at Ottago Museum.
They're talking us through the solar storms. It is eleven to.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Ten, putting the tough questions to the newsmakers. The mic
asking Breakfast.

Speaker 12 (34:20):
Social Investment Minister Nicola Willis is with us. To my eye,
it's got a slightly wooly sort of feel. I mean,
what is social investment, what specifically is it and what changes?

Speaker 13 (34:29):
Well you think about basic concept? Everyone in New Zealand degrees.
Let's not have an ambulance at the bottom of the closes.

Speaker 14 (34:35):
Let's build sense.

Speaker 13 (34:36):
That's what social investment's about. It's about proper prevention and
proper early interventions so that people don't go on to
lead life of crime, welfare dependency, under achievement, cleaning all
of that up and being much more positical about what
we invest in and whether it's working.

Speaker 12 (34:53):
Back Tuesday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
our Vita Retirement Community's US talk said.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Being All Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca
Rudkin and Wiggles for the best selection great reas He's
talks heavy.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I started the hour talking about how it's been quite
an emotional week in our household with our son finishing
year thirteen. He's our oldest child, and we're just sort
of getting our heads around the fact that, you know,
and he's managed to get to a hall and head
off he's going to head off to the university next year,
and how just everyone in the house is a little
bit different. His dad's were really going to miss him.
He's very sad about it. I'm at the point where
I'm like, you need to go the divers come. We

(35:33):
have a lovely relationship, but you know, it's time for
that relationship to go to the next level. And that
means that this kid needs to go off and be
his own man and things. And so thank you very
much for the text and things that have come through
Sarah text to say, oh my gosh, Wnch's my son
has just finished year thirteen. Also, I obviously haven't been
processing that he will be leaving next year as I'm
sitting in the sun with a coffee and a flood

(35:54):
of tears. I will miss him so much, but I'm
genuinely excited about him finding his independence. Has tribeen himself
at university another one here. This is important. I've learned
that they will need you just as much now as
they ever did, and in time to come, always be
there for them to talk to, to listen to them,
and if they ever want to they need to come
home temporarily, which they may or may not do. Don't

(36:15):
stop that. It's important they know that you always have
their back. That was from Lenora. You're absolutely right, it is.
It's really hard. It's getting that balance right, isn't it.
Of just as simul Ashley said, stepping onto the bridge
and just then just sort of stepping aside, sitting down
and watching them, but always being there for them. I
know it's probably been very stressful for a lot of
parents as well, because over the last week or two,

(36:37):
students have been discovering whether they've gotten halls, and of
course they've spent thirteen years working towards leaving school and
then maybe heading off to a university and they've maybe
chosen a degree, and the halls have been really very
much oversubscribed around the country, both and can to bring
your Targo and Victoria. It's been really hard to get

(36:58):
into a hall of residence. So I know it's been
a really stressful time for parents, and you know, if
you're on a weight. Let's keep your fingers crossed. You
know a lot of care. Sometimes they don't get into January,
but hopefully they will get into a hall and be
able to go off and do what it is that
they have been dreaming of doing. Thank you very much
for your text Context any Time ninety two ninety two,

(37:21):
Keep it simple.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
It's Sunday, The Sunday Session with Francesca Rutgin and Wiggles
for the best selection of Gregys News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Coming up next here on News Talks EDB, Comedian actor
and TV personality Jake Whitehall and his father Michael joined
me to talk about their new Netflix show about fatherhood.
So Jack has just become a father, his daughter has
just turned one. Michael's going to give us his verdict
on how he thinks he's handling fatherhood, and Jack is

(37:49):
going to give us his verdict on how he thinks
his father is going to manage doing live shows in
New Zealand in January. Let's just say I don't think
either of know how these live shows are going to go,
but we are going to try and work out what
to expect when the two of them get on stage together.
And lightful white holes and with me next here on
the Sunday station.

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Speaker 15 (38:31):
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Made you think that I've always known. I said some
things as should love said. Your a broke your heart
like someone.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Now you would love me.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
For a second time.

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Speaker 2 (39:10):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wickeles for
the best selection of great Reeds news talk se be.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Good to have you with us. I'm Francisca Budkin with
you until midday to day. Hope the long weekend's going well.
British comedian, actor and TV personality Jack Whitehall and his
father Michael have traveled all over the world through their
show Travels with My Father. We've witnessed them many hilarious adventures.
Well now they're heading down under to Little Old New
Zealand for their live tour in January. The duo have

(39:48):
also joined forces again for a new Netflix series documenting
Jack's journey to becoming a dad. To tell us all
about it, I'm delighted to be joined by Jack and
Michael Whitehall. Good morning. Thank you so much for being
with us, Thanks for having us on. Jack, you are
a year and a wonderful life up ending journey of parenthood.

(40:10):
Elsie's just turned one. Hell's fatherhood going.

Speaker 17 (40:14):
Yeah, it's going good. Every day is a learning day
and she's yeah, like growing up so quickly. But it's
been an absolute whirlwind and amazing. Although last night she
was in the bed and it was like she'd been
possessed by Bruce Lee. I was up all night and yeah,

(40:35):
you learn very quickly, as apparent that you can never
rest on your laurels. Yeah, it's a lot.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Michael, how is Jack really going well?

Speaker 14 (40:46):
When Chack was one, he was an absolute nightmare And
the problem with that was that it didn't get any better.
I thought, you know, when he gets to two or three,
you know we were broken in the back a bit.

Speaker 17 (41:00):
But now he went on.

Speaker 14 (41:02):
I mean, I don't think, actually, to be really honest
with you, he's quite got there yet, but he's certainly
moving away, working progress.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
You did have some concerns for Jack before Elsie arrived.
You impressed with his parenting skills.

Speaker 17 (41:21):
Yes, I think.

Speaker 14 (41:23):
I think he's picking up quite a lot of good tips.
His mother's very helpful in that respect because Hillary used
to work as a duela when she was younger, and
so she knows all about babies. So she's on call
from Jack at any time, day and night. So I

(41:46):
have quite I'm not unhappy, but quite restless nights because
my wife is getting out of bed all night and
phoning Jack to give him advice on what to do
with a baby fantasist. I'm not making calls to my
mother in the middle of the nights. It must be
someone else that she's on the go in too.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
But that's quite good praise there, Jack from Michael about
your parenting.

Speaker 17 (42:12):
Yeah, that's about as much praise as I'm likely to
get from Michael. That's what praise sounds like when it
comes from his mouth.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
It would be fair to say that you were sort
of healthily petrified of fatherhood. Has it been as bad
as you thought it would be?

Speaker 17 (42:29):
No, but it is as overwhelming as people warned me.
I definitely found, although there was also a lot of
parents that kind of changed their tune. I found in
the lead up to it. They're all like, oh, this
is going to be so amazing and it's the best
thing you'll ever do, and you know it's going to
completely change your life. And then you have the baby
and you see them like six months later and they're like, ah,

(42:51):
I got you. Oh my god. It's a lot, isn't it.
Don't worry? It gets better, and like where were you
before with this? And then the other psychopaths that I like,
and there's already been this, When are you going to
have another? I'm like, that is or something I want
to hear right now.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
The thought of that is I often wonder why people
larnt is honest about things beforehand. And maybe it's because
it's it's just not a it's not something that's sort
of over and done with quickly. Hints. Why start sort
of terrifying people before you then you know, become a
lifelong parent, I suppose yeah.

Speaker 17 (43:28):
And they also, you know, like parents can't wait to
show you pictures of babies when they're like really cute
and behaving well and all like dressed up nicely. They
never show you the like the reality of it, and
the pictures of them red faced and screaming and covered
in vomit, and you don't actually see the real side
of what parenting is and what babies are like. You're

(43:50):
definitely shielded from that.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
And I think too, where you do get a little
blinded when you have your own kids. I mean, we thought,
especially our first born, we thought he was absolutely adorable,
and you go back and look at the photos now,
it really wasn't feluesome. Do you see any of Michael
coming out in your parenting?

Speaker 17 (44:10):
Don't you going to say any of Michael coming out
in Elsie because the reality is when she first yeah,
I said, we gave birth. Roxy did most of the
work in that department. But when Roxy Elsie, a lot
of people were saying that she looked like Michael, which
was not what she wanted to hear. I think when
she just carried this shold for nine months, no beautiful
baby was released into the world, and that was the review,

(44:33):
she just.

Speaker 14 (44:34):
Looked too certainly like eighty four year old yeah, grandfather, grandfather.

Speaker 17 (44:41):
No, I don't think she does work remotely like she
had a similar temperature.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
You turned your Fatherhood Journey into the Netflix show Fatherhood
with My Father. The series started before Elsie arrived, and
you mentioned on the show that Jack the led was
on his way out. Has he disappeared in the last
year or has he been forced out or is he
just a little bit still there?

Speaker 17 (45:05):
Well, do you know what I always thought was like, oh, yeah,
Jack the lad and like that sort of slightly feckless,
you know, like rascal energy that I had. I figured
that that would be something that I would begrudgingly let go.
But the realities are just too exhausted to thee fly

(45:27):
that anymore to go out or to like get drunk
and get up to hijinks and do all of the
things that you used to do before you were a parent.
So yeah, it's not begrudging, it's just youah, yeah, no
will to do it.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
You're famously called Michael Daddy, and we see this in
the TV show a lot. But I've heard that you're
policing it somewhat since having Elsie.

Speaker 17 (45:52):
Yeah, it's not great and to be calling your father's daddy.
So I do try and stop myself from doing it,
but every now and again it sort of slips out.

Speaker 14 (46:00):
On the first episode of Travels with My Father, the series,
which we did, I think we do five.

Speaker 17 (46:09):
On the first one, we met in the foyer of.

Speaker 14 (46:15):
A hotel in Thailand a famous actor called Steven Stephen Sagal,
who I didn't know who he was.

Speaker 17 (46:26):
I had no idea.

Speaker 14 (46:27):
And Jack said, oh, there's Steve and sig and we
went over and I said hello, and hello mister. I'll
go mister Seagal, and I've genuinely had no idea who
he was, and he had sort of minders with him
and everything, and we talked for a little bit and
then Jack came over and said, Daddy, I think we've

(46:47):
got to get on with the filming. And Stephen Segal
said to Jack, you call your father daddy and gave
him a sort of death step.

Speaker 17 (46:58):
He was impressed. That is so weird. Did you call
your father daddy?

Speaker 14 (47:02):
And I thought, coming from Stephen Sigal, yeah, so many minders.

Speaker 17 (47:11):
That's something we've experienced that twice in our lives. Stephen
Sigar had all these that bodyguards and minders around him.
The other person was Arnold Schwarzenegg. You had this massive
entourage of like bodyguards and security, and you're like, these
are meant to be like action men. They all know
jiu jitsu and hand to hand combat, like they're the
last people that need security. Did I did the Graham

(47:32):
Norton show them he had literally like ten bodyguards, and
Judy Dench, who's what like eighty nine, had no.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
One because Michael, it has been a while since you've
done seasons Travels with my Father. Was it good to
get back to making a show together, even though it
was talking about fatherhood?

Speaker 18 (47:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (47:52):
It was great, And.

Speaker 14 (47:55):
I've never thought that Travels with my Father was over really.
I mean, we did stop doing it, but we all
had sight fan still think that you know, you never know,
it might come back again.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
But well, the.

Speaker 17 (48:14):
Strange thing as well is that obviously with these live
shows that we're doing now, it's come full circle because
we are the first time we ever worked together was
on stage. It was years ago at the Edinburgh Festival
and we did this like chat show together and it
was me and Michael on stage and that was the
origin of the whole like journey was basically me having
done loads of jokes at Michael's expense on stage, felt

(48:36):
like I had completely exhausted that avenue. And then my
producer was like, why do you just get him up
on stage and do something with him? So we did
two nights at the Edin Refestoral and it was only
ever meant to be two nights, but there was like
someone from the BBC in the audience and they were like, oh,
we'd love to do this on TV. And then Pandora's
Box was opened, and then you know, five seasons of

(48:56):
Travels later and all of these other things that we've
collaborated on. It's been an amazing journey. But it's kind
of strange now that we've wound up back on stage
where we started and you know, doing what we did
all of these years ago.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
So Michael, are you looking forward to the live shows?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
What can we expect?

Speaker 14 (49:14):
Just got a well, exactly one. I'm asking that question myself.
What can we expect? Because there's a certain amount of
improvisation in this show. It's not a kind of heavy
scripted you know, first half forty five minutes, second half

(49:34):
forty five minutes. It's it's a much more free flowing
show than that. So I'm just hoping that people are
like it, and they seem to be like they like
booking for it, but whether they'll like it, I mean
we can't guarantee.

Speaker 17 (49:53):
Well, could you really sold it? You really sold it?
You've like I would be buying a ticket to this
what I mean talk about like an under sell.

Speaker 14 (50:01):
No, No, I've said the ticket sales amazing, right, So
you know, hurry out and get buying your ticket, and.

Speaker 17 (50:10):
You'll be bitterly disappointed because he hasn't got a clue
what he's doing on the night.

Speaker 14 (50:15):
Because I'm not a professional actor. I'm like Jack, No,
I'm just a charred old agent.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
So I will do my next So Jack that the
whole ad libbing and sort of being unpredictable, is that
the way you normally work or will you actually be
on stage with quite a structured kind of plan as
to how the evening's going to unfold?

Speaker 17 (50:36):
Yes, he will. Well, I try to keep it quite structured,
and there is always a framework and there's always a
route through it that I have in my head, but
unfortunately that route is not in Michael's head, so it
always deviates. And there's always stories that I'm that are
plucked out of thin air. And you know, Michael's got
eighty four years worth of like anecdotes. It's a it's

(50:58):
a it's a like it's a war chest of stories,
so you never quite know what's going to come out.
But that makes the evenings feel so a lot with possibility, and.

Speaker 14 (51:09):
Yeah, I've got some great Winston Churchill material and yeah
that tends me. In nineteen forty, it's more of a nerve.
It's all going to be fine, well, but really looking
forward to it.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Michael, I've seen the tour trailers and you're concerned that
your humor might be a little bit too sophisticated for us.
Do you want to talk me through that a little bit?

Speaker 6 (51:35):
No, not remotely.

Speaker 14 (51:36):
I think it's completely the opposite. My materials can be
slightly sweary. O. Going to Australia and New Zealand, we've
got to be very careful about being sweary. So I'm
going to be on my best behavior, being charming and
polite and not saying anything rude about Australians, New Zealanders

(52:02):
or anywhere else where we go. So'm I'm very much
under the thumb of Saint Jack Whitehall.

Speaker 17 (52:12):
This is going out in New Zealand. Oh sorry, it's
sane New Zealand. All of the disparaging remarks you made
about low brow audiences about Australia, Oh I didn't realize that. Yeah,
this is New Zealand. This is New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (52:25):
All right, So.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about too much about the potty mouth.
We're all not some of us aren't hugely well behaved here,
but you're you're allowed to be disparaging about Kiwi's and
Australia and then about Australians and New Zealand. So you've
just got to know where you are, that's all.

Speaker 14 (52:46):
Yeah, very good note of knowing where I am, because
that's the problem. But I hopefully no before I start
where I am if you know what I mean, when
I'm on stage.

Speaker 17 (53:02):
But there's a lot of walking into venues and forgetting
why we went in there in the first place. It's
that kind of show, and there's going to be a
few Joe Biden moments. We just have to accept that.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Michael. I also know that your question with a Jack
was actually very well known here. I can I can
assure you he is. He's very popular. He mainly bodyguards.

Speaker 17 (53:23):
Yeah, maybe I'll borrow some of Steven segals.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
I believe Hillary is coming to which is lovely. The
whole family coming. Are you making it a family trip
down under?

Speaker 14 (53:36):
There is a very important past of the whole thing.
If it wasn't for her, he probably wouldn't be getting
on stage in the evenings. She's right there, and indeed
we'll be making quite a few appearances during the shows,
unscripted obviously.

Speaker 17 (53:55):
But yeah, she takes takes over.

Speaker 14 (53:59):
She doesn't. She can if she's let loose, she can
take over the whole thing.

Speaker 17 (54:06):
We are merely passengers.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
It is a wonderful family affair and we're very much
looking forward to seeing you when you get down here.
Thank you so much for your time today. Jack and
Michael would be in New Zealand for their live show
in January. Tickets are on sale now. You can also
catch Fatherhood with My Father on Netflix. And for those
of you looking for some inspiration in the kitchen, Nagi
Mahashi is with me after the eleven o'clock News to

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talk about her new cookbook. It's called Tonight. It's twenty
two past ten.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
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Speaker 1 (55:36):
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Speaker 3 (55:47):
Joining me now to talk entertainment. I am joined by
Chris Schultz. Good morning, Good morning, Francesca Hey. Big news
for Metallica fans.

Speaker 19 (55:56):
I was just last week complaining that no bands were
coming to New Zealand anymore. They were always touring Australia
and and choosing not to come here. And now look
we're getting Talla. This is the biggest of big shows.
They are playing Eden Park on November nineteen. That's November nineteen,
next year, not next month. This is part of the

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seventy two World Tour and it's huge. I mean, this
promises to be a massive show. They haven't been here
since I think I think it's been like fifteen years.
They played Spark Arena in the round at least ten years.
The thing is, I do have a complaint about the show.

(56:40):
They are selling very expensive tickets. They might be a record.
The fan packages are right up there, including a four
thousand dollars Fan Experience which gets you early entry, a laminate,
a behind the scenes tour in a photo with two

(57:00):
of the band. So if you're that big of a
Metallica fan, you can splash out four thousand dollars on
a ticket. I honestly, I don't think i've seen anything
like I've seen meet and greet tickets that will sort
of like seven hundred and fifty dollars. I think Adele
was doing one thousand dollar tickets if you wanted to
be right up the front of her show. But I've

(57:20):
never seen a four thousand dollar ticket.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
This is right up there.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
That is a lot. You'd hope to get a drink
thrown in maybe as well, wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
You, Chris Well?

Speaker 19 (57:28):
With the band, I mean, you want to be sitting
down having a beer with Lars.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Right, not just flying through like a visit to Santa Yep, next, next, next,
you know. Have you seen them perform live? Are they
just magnificent live?

Speaker 11 (57:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (57:44):
I saw them at that Spark Arena show. I remember
a fan. I sat down in my seat and a
fan in front of us just leaped back and poured
his beer right into my lap, a whole beer, which
set the tone perfectly right.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
That's what you wanted a Metallica show.

Speaker 19 (57:56):
They were incredible.

Speaker 18 (57:57):
Yeah they are.

Speaker 19 (57:58):
They're in very good form. The reviews coming out are excellent.
Apparently they do this thing where they played cities twice
and they do a no repeats rule where they don't
play the same song two nights in a row. So
they do sell out the first show and they announce
a second. You might want to go both nights to
see completely different shows.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
I can imagine them being very well suited to Eden
Park to.

Speaker 19 (58:21):
The venue, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that'd be
a great place to see them.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
The neighbors will love it. Hey, Tom York has also
been in New Zealand.

Speaker 19 (58:31):
This has been Yeah, this has been on headlines across
media around the world because a Tom York's never toured
solo before and B Radioheads his main band. They haven't
played live since twenty eighteen. So if you go on
music websites right now, they're full of clips from his
Auckland shows. They're full of news. Everyone's like looking at

(58:54):
what he's playing because he's playing songs that Radiohead haven't
played live since two thousand and three. I went on
the Friday night. It was spectacular, but it was nothing
like what I expected. Tom York solo conjures up images
of a just kind of a sad man sitting at
a piano under a spotlight, playing kind of ethereal ballads,
and so I thought it would be like really sad

(59:16):
and kind of depressing, and it wasn't that at all.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
This was a full on dance party.

Speaker 19 (59:21):
Tom York is having a brat summer. He just played beats,
really good like dance songs, Like a lot of his
solo material is kind of trip hop experimental.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Sort of stuff, and he played a lot of that.

Speaker 19 (59:38):
And it was just it was really surprising, like they
should have cleared out the floor. It was a sit
down show, but the music and the lights and everything
made it seem like we should have been in a
club kind of atmosphere with lasers and smoke machines.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
Like that feels like what he really wanted to do.

Speaker 19 (59:53):
So he'd play these like really upbeat party songs and
then he'd sort of bring out his guitar and play
a Radiohead for a song for the Radiohead fans, and
then go back to playing the club stuff. But I
think he really wanted dance. That was the main reason
he was there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
And tell us a little bit about fanatical the catfishing
of Teagan and Sarah.

Speaker 19 (01:00:13):
Yeah, really weird documentary. I don't even know if you
remember this band, Francisca. Yeah, yeah, the mid two thousands, right,
like they were a big deal. They certainly came to
New Zealand a few times. They were one of those
bands that cultivated really passionate fan base they would the
kind of band that would like go out and hang

(01:00:34):
out at the merch table after shows and talk to
fans for hours and just hang out with them. And
so this is a movie about how that fandom turned really.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Toxic for them.

Speaker 19 (01:00:45):
I didn't know the story. It's this is not a
biopic about the band at all. This is about a
fan who impersonated Teagan, one of the band members for
years and carried out these kind of really intense online
relationships with dozens of fans, but just online impersonating them.
She got somehow got intimate photos and song demos and

(01:01:10):
would send those two fans to sort of prove she
was her and then carry out these super intense, like
catfishing relationships pretending to be them. And they haven't spoken
about this since because it really hurt them, hurt the band.
You can see the pain in their eyes these fans
when they interview them for this documentary.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
So it's about that.

Speaker 19 (01:01:30):
But then also they're trying to track down who did
this all those years ago. They go on this big,
wild like hunt for the person responsible for this. So it's, yeah,
I found this fascinating. It's a really really good documentary.
I thoroughly recommend it. It's on Disney Plus brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Thank you so much, Chris, appreciate it. I'm just keeping
an eye on the Mexican Grand Prix for you. We're
in Q two. Leamlawson has made it through to this round,
so I will let you know where he lands there,
hopefully in the top ten. Now, if you happen to
be facing surgery sometimes soon, dotor Michelle Dickinson has a
very interesting study that talks about how to speed up
your recovery post surgery. You just gotta like music, simple

(01:02:11):
as that. It is twenty seven to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at b NNA.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Girl Doctor Michel de concerns with us now with our
science study of the week. Good morning, good morning. I
love the study.

Speaker 20 (01:02:28):
It's cute and it's free.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Yeah, and also it kind of makes sense.

Speaker 20 (01:02:33):
Yeah, it totally makes sense. But we don't think about
it and we don't implement it. And so I'm all
for how do we help people to feel better or
do more with less? And this is a great study.
So this has just come out of the American College
of Surgeon's Clinical Congress, which was happening this week in
the US, so it's not a published paper, but it's
published research that they did in the conference, and what

(01:02:54):
they found is that if you have just had surgery,
listening to music when you come out of your surgery
and when your moved to your ward can significantly speed
up your recovery from that surgery. And it doesn't matter
if it's through your headphones or through a speaker, just
listening the act of listening to music. So what they
did in this study is they analyzed seven hundred and

(01:03:17):
thirty six different studies on this topic and they narrowed
it down to thirty five big research papers that had
measured very significant things anxiety, pain, heart rate, cortisile levels
of the patients. And what they said is, look, if
you've just had surgery, a lot of patients wake up
feeling scared and don't know where they are right. It
can be a little bit like when you come up

(01:03:37):
from anesthesia. You can be like, oh, this isn't my
normal surroundings. Things can be quite confusing. It's very sterile,
it's very white, and so music helps to ease that
transition for patients. It reduces their stress and it's passive.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
You need no effort.

Speaker 20 (01:03:51):
You don't have to force yourself to listen. If somebody
just puts some music on in the background, you can
do it. So here's what they measured, which is massive.
So first they looked at anxiety levels and they did
a self reported survey of the patients and they reported
that they were overall three percent less anxious than those
who didn't have music. That's fine, that's not a big number.

(01:04:12):
But what they found is pain level. So they did
what's called perceived pain where they made you fill out
a survey how you know, a scale of one to
five how bad is the pain, And they found a
nineteen percent reduction in how patients perceived pain when they
were listening to music versus when they weren't. And it
doesn't matter whether or not the pain is the same.

(01:04:33):
If you're feeling less pain, then that matters to you.
And that was shown in the amount of morphine the
patients were taking. So patients who listened to music when
they came out of surgery took fifty percent less morphine
than those who didn't listen to music. So that's reduction
from one point six five milligrams to zero point seventy
five milligrams, so your perceived pain is left and therefore

(01:04:55):
you take less morphine. And we know that morphine long
tern isn't isn't great for you. And your heart rate
was reduced by four and a half beats per minute
and so significantly reduced impactful things all by listening to music.
And what they said is right now, there are some
things that people suggest that you do when you come
out to help with these things, so meditation and doing pilates,

(01:05:17):
which sounds crazy when you've just come out of surgery,
that can help to reduce anxiety and pain. But those
are very active things. And what they say in this
is not only is music passive, but it doesn't matter
what music it is. Just pick your favorite tune. If
you're in a classical, pick that, if you're a heavy metal,
pick that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Because I the reason I wasn't hugely surprised by the
results of the study is because I think we all
know that music can in our day to day lives,
regardless of with your head sudery or not. It can
change your mood, it can lift your mood, it can
accompany you, it can make you run faster. I mean,
you know, you put on put on something that you
really want to listen to, on things, and you can
just see the impact and you're in day to day mode,

(01:05:53):
don't you can?

Speaker 18 (01:05:53):
And so we know this.

Speaker 20 (01:05:54):
Yeah, you go to a hospital and it's sterile and
it's clinical and it's you know, all you can hear
is the beping of the machines. I have to admit
that when I had my C section for my twins,
my surgeon did say, put together a playlist because you're
in You're out there for so long, but you're away
for it, and he's like, well, just blast your tunes
while we're bringing your baby.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
And I was like, that's called.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
There was definitely no music when my babies were delivered.

Speaker 20 (01:06:17):
But there you got the surgery, Get some music, get
some padphones. Yeah, it's free and it might help you
to recover much more quickly.

Speaker 17 (01:06:25):
So you can go home safely.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Thank you so much, Michelle. We'll catch up next week.
Mike vander Ellison's with us next He's skipping Halloween. He's
going to have a little bit of a romantic evening
with his wife. We're gonna tell you what he's gonna
whip up in just a moment. It is twenty to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Okay, Q two at the Mexican Grand Prix. It has finished.
Sonato has I think locked up and gone off the
track and creshed into the wall, and so therefore the
race organizers have CQ two will not be resumed, which
is a bit annoying because Liam was sitting at twelfth,
so here's in the elimination zone. So that's thanks to

(01:07:13):
his teammates. Is there anyway, Let's move on. Mike bendows
and joins me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Now, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Do you love Halloween?

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
It's okay as a child, Yeah, yeah, it's I just
sort of love hate relationship with it, really. I sort
of when the kids were little, it was sort of
fun to go off and be part of it. But
it's just a bit annoying. I don't know, it just
feels like it's something we've borrowed so much and then
it's become such a big thing and everyone just wants lollies,

(01:07:45):
and I.

Speaker 9 (01:07:46):
Don't know, it's all very American. I remember last year
I came home and she mum, oh, she'd dad, sorry,
she said, Dad, somebody gave me some baby like cheery tomatoes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
I was like, it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
I know my children would have killed me if I
open the draw and done there.

Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
I did threaten to do that a few times. That
you're down a long drive by, so people never really
bother you. Sort of semi rural, aren't you, So you're
going to probably miss the trickle treaters.

Speaker 9 (01:08:13):
I think we've missed them all. So we're we're seeing
our kids down to the beach. There's a couple of
roads that are quite tight and congested and built up
down there with housing, so we'll send the kids down there.
And I thought, well, why don't I make something up
here just for be and I never meant it is
very sweet, So I thought I'd make some muschmallows, because

(01:08:35):
they're actually easier to make them what people would think,
so quind of along lines of like an Italian marine,
I guess you probably need some scales, or at least
some kitchen scales that go down to like grams but
I'm pretty sure, I'm not one hundred percent. I'm pretty
sure you can buy gelatine powder potentially in sachets, but

(01:08:57):
don't quote me on that. So you do need scales,
because what you need is you need ten grams of
gelatine powder. So just you off with is take a
like a deep like a deep loaf tin, line it
with clingfilm so it's nice and pressed in, and then
take some cooking spray. And what that does is just

(01:09:19):
allows you to get the mushmallow out and then you
peel off the clean film. So do that first, and
then you want to take your ten gramds of gelatine
and dissolve that in half or sorry quarter a cup
of warm water. Just set that aside, let that.

Speaker 15 (01:09:33):
Do its thing.

Speaker 9 (01:09:33):
What the gelatin will do is swell up and soak
in that water. And then into a pot. You want
to combine three quarters a cup of sugar, quarter of
a cup of glucose. You can get glucose from most supermarkets. Now,
quarter of a cup of water, a pinch of salt,
and then half a teaspoon of vanilla paste. Pop that
into a pot, put it on to cook, bring it

(01:09:54):
up to the boil. Turn it down, simmer it for
it like a minute a minute and a half. All
you're doing is basically dissolving that sugar. Once that's dissolved,
take your gelatine that's been soaking in the water and
pour the whole lot the gelatin and the water to
your little saucepan, and then fire that into a like
a mixer and beat it on high with a whisk
attachment for about It will take about ten to twelve

(01:10:16):
minutes on high. And what you're looking for is for
it to thick it up and for it to cool
down somewhat. Once it's cooled down and it's nice and think, well,
it look like a Tanning maringe, pour that into your
prepared tin and then fire that into the fridge to set.
Setting time on something like that probably an hour, maybe
give it two. And once that set pull it out,

(01:10:36):
flip your tray over, peel off your cling film, and
then use a hot knife. So just take like a
large jug of water hot water, dip your knife into
that water until it's nice and warm, and then cut
your mushmallows into cubes, thread them onto a skewer. And
then what I'm going to do now is something that
makes it even more delicious. Heat up your barbeu or

(01:10:58):
a cast iron pan, get it really hot, or even
put your grill your oven on grill, buire your mushmallows
just under that grill until they start to toast up,
and then serve them alongside. Because such are still in
the season now, limes are still affordable to what they are.
Just take a tablespoon of honey, put them to a
little bowl with a little bit of vanilla paste and
the juice of two lines. Find them into your microwave,

(01:11:18):
Heat it up for like half a minute until it
all becomes one, and then drizzle that over the top
of your grilled mushmallows.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
You two are going to have a lovely night. I'd
just like to say thank you to the people of
Murtaway who are going to have to host all these
children who are going to be dumped on them while
their parents are at home having a lovely sort of romantic,
relaxing evening.

Speaker 9 (01:11:39):
After saying that they may come down the long driveways.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Possibly lemons leftover.

Speaker 9 (01:11:48):
I've got some tomatoes.

Speaker 8 (01:11:49):
I'll fight some of them.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
A great bit of asparagus is there's still some sparagus
popping up I'm sure. I'm sure you'll find something. The
word will spread it very quickly. Mike. Don't bother with number,
you know, don't bother with them. Don't bother with them.

Speaker 8 (01:12:02):
Yeah, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
I think though, what we do these days is don't
we You put something out, you let a box, or
you put something at the front door to indicate that
you're participating, and then that's sort of it's a welcome
for kids to come in. Hey, thanks so much, Mike.
Of course, we'll put that recipe up on our website
News talksb dot co dot nz ford slash Sunday, or
you can head to good from Scratch dot co dot
nz to grab it. It is twelve to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
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Used talk z b and joining us.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Now Stalk Wellness is naturopath Erin O'Hara hi erin good morning.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
There was an article in the paper on the New
Zealand Herald maybe and it was about a British woman
who mentions about the fact that she gets up at
five o'clock in the morning, and she goes to bed
at eight thirty and throughout the day, everything she does
is an attempt to biohack herself so that she can
live till she's one hundred and fifty. And it looks

(01:13:03):
like a very expensive, time consuming, unrealistic way to live
your life, to have a healthy life. But we're hearing
so much more about this that way, about sort of biohacking,
and how all these little tips and tricks that we
should be doing to you know, live longer. Some of

(01:13:26):
them are ridiculous and some of them are hugely expensive.
It's just not realistic, is it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:30):
Yeah, the wellness industry has really exploded since the nineteen fifties,
and all these wellness tools and tricks and gimmicks and
biohacks are all promising all sorts of amazing things improving
health and healing the body and better flexibility and stronger body,
better immune systems, shinier here. And I think we can

(01:13:51):
really get caught up in the marketing of all these
different products, whether they're supplements or biohacks, sort of gadgets
that supposedly will help us live longer and be healthier.
And I think it's really making being healthy so complicated
because back prior to the nineteen fifties, it was literally
people just lived life and lived healthy life of getting

(01:14:13):
outdoors and eating normal whole foods. It was just their
normal diet. Where now it's become more like it's a
diet to eat more healthy foods. And I think we've
made it super super complicated that instead of when we're
wanting to get healthier, instead of turning to the foundations
of health, we're looking at more about buying supplements and

(01:14:35):
buying products to help us, instead of looking at focusing
on the harnessing the healing power that's really within ourselves.
And we just need to have some support to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
So we've got some simple tips to build the foundations
of your health without the gimmicks.

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
Yep, that's exactly what it's about. I think that it's
about not going on an extreme diet, but just going
through and maybe this weekn being a long weeken doing
a little review of your diet and noticing maybe some
of your unhealthy habits. And I think that we some
forget what we do every day, whether it's having some
chocolate bikis at three o'clock or a big glass of

(01:15:12):
orange juice when we could really have a glass of water.
And I think just doing those little simple changes to
our everyday diet can be massive for health. And I
think also changing the mindset around instead of eliminating foods
and depriving yourself of having you know, some what I'd
like to call sometimes foods or maybe a little bit

(01:15:33):
more processed foods, but instead focus around adding more fruits
and vegetables into your diet, because obviously there's only so
much you can actually eat, so if you're eating more
fruits and vegetables, you tend to eat less junk food
by just focusing on more healthy foods. And then I
think sleep is really underrated too.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Prioritizing our sleep's important, Moving our body is important. You
don't need to have a gym membership. Interestingly, though, connection
and community is also important too, isn't Erin Yeah, it's about.

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
Putting all of those elements together. I think when you're
looking at being it's about healthy body, healthy mind, healthy lifestyle,
and that can be from eating the right food, getting
enough sleep, managing your stress, and then having the right
friends and family and support network around you that can
help you stay healthy and stay on track and be
in a loving environment, which is just you know, having

(01:16:25):
that support network around you. And if you're wanting to make.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Some changes to your health, sometimes it's about.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
Telling someone a friend or a family member and be like, hey,
I want to get healthier. Can you help me reach
my goals? And you could maybe get out for a
walk once a week with a friend and that can
keep you motivated and keep you healthy and you can
both be healthy together.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Wonderful, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Erin.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Erin also joined us on The Little Things. Recently we
did a whole podcast on creating great new habits. She's
got lots of really good tips. If you want to
make some changes, go and have a listen at iHeart
or where do you get your podcasts? It is a
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Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
You're with the Sunday Session. I'm Francesca with you until midday.
Coming up this hour, Piney on the All Blacks Outing
in Japan and the Black Cat's Historic win. John's going
to give us her verdict on the new Lisa Marie
Presley memoir. And in travel, we have a Gaulish Halloween
travel story for you. Right last year, I received a
cookbook that revolutionized my family, Dinners. Family has been very

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oppressive for this book. The book was called Dinner by
recipe Tin Eats founder Nagi Mahashi. When I got her
on the show for an interview, I realized I wasn't
the only one obsessed with her recipes. We were inundated
with texts of praise for Nagi, some people even hosting
Nagi parties where guests all cooked different meals from her
cookbook and website. This week, Nagi has released another cookbook.

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It's called Tonight. I'm hugely believed she has once again
added to my weak night repertoire. The queen of the
Australian food scene, Naggie Mahashi, is with me again. Good morning, Naggi,
good telling with us morning.

Speaker 18 (01:19:18):
Thank you so much for having me today.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Great to have you back on the show. Hey, how
are you doing? Because I know that cookbook launch week
is a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:19:26):
It is.

Speaker 18 (01:19:27):
I'm in the midst of the book too and now,
but to be honest, I'm just having so much fun
because I could. I feel like the hard work's done
and now I get to enjoy myself and meet people
and talk to great people in the press, and yeah,
it's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Are you aware of the impact you have had on
all of us home cooks?

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:19:46):
I love hearing stories from people, to be honest, it
just it almost fuels my fire. Does that sound a
bit odd? I don't know. Sometimes I feel like I'm
writing into nowhere when I publish the recipes, but then
when I actually hear from people in real life, yeah,
it just it's really satisfying.

Speaker 8 (01:20:04):
It makes me happy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
You did say when we talked a year ago that
your huge success hadn't sunk in yet, has it now? No,
I just more than ever.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
I think I just for me.

Speaker 18 (01:20:18):
I just feel like nothing's changed. I just do what
I did ten years ago. It's just I'm working in
slightly different landscape now. But from my perspective, I'm just
doing exactly what I did ten years ago. Does that
sound strange?

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
It doesn't sound strange. It does because Nigi, ten years ago,
you had two people who visited your website, which was
you and your mum.

Speaker 18 (01:20:42):
Yeah, but I still back then, I was posting recipes
I loved, and I was explaining them why the way
I explained now. Yes, my photographies come. You know, I've
improved my photography and I've started doing recipe videos for
all my videos. But fundamentally, other than you know, improvement
in skills, it's the same kind of food, same flavor profiles,

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same ingredients. Because I still shop at my boring regular
you know, local grocery store. I don't go gourmet stores.
So yeah, from my perspective, I do feel like I'm
still doing the same things.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
You now get half a billion visits every year. Your
social media following is over five million people. Your last
book was Australian Book of the Year. You run a
charity that donates one hundred and thirty thousand meals a year.
But I actually really love the fact that through the
book you do say, you know, regardless of all that success,
you kind of feel uncomfortable talking about that. Why is that?

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
I just.

Speaker 18 (01:21:40):
I just don't want I don't want fame. I don't
actually know what fame means, but I don't want it,
If that makes sense. I'm actually really happy. I was
always happy behind my keyboard, and then I did a
book and it forced me to come out and you know,
come out from behind my keyboard. And I do love that,
but I don't I don't want to be on TV.

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I really don't want ragnags to talk about me. I
enjoyed my privacy. I just want to sit at home
and just cook in my kitchen and write recipes, take
photos and publish them on my website.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
That's just me.

Speaker 18 (01:22:12):
I don't want to go to you know, all those
those award shows and things that people go to and
you get photographed on the red carpet. I can't think
of anything worse than spending all afternoon getting your makeup.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
Done, do you think, Do you think, Nagie, this is
partly because the success has come at a certain age
and stage of life. You know, like, you're not someone
who's this is not your sort of your first foray
into a career, and you're not out there to become,
as you say, famous and get those hits that you
sort of yeah, you know, maybe there's just a little

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bit more wisdom and experience.

Speaker 18 (01:22:45):
There, definitely, I think so I see it in. I
hate to say, but a little of maturity obviously comes
with age, and your priorities just shift. So you hit
a certain age and you just don't crave. I don't
care about going viral, for example. I've never cared about
going viral. For me, it's very much about organic growth

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and being happy as well, doing what you enjoy doing
and are comfortable doing. And I'm not comfortable on TV.
So yeah, I'm in my happy place.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
But you are quite famous.

Speaker 18 (01:23:19):
I think it's a strategy. I think I'm just in
people's kitchen because a lot of people use my spaghetti bolonnaise.
But it's not like a my famous movie star type famous.
It's very different. I'm all home, homebody type. If that
makes sense, your friend in the kitchen, that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
So you mentioned before that what drives you is is
the feedback that you do get from people. But what
else sort of drives you? Who are you creating these
recipes for?

Speaker 16 (01:23:49):
So?

Speaker 18 (01:23:49):
I think first and foremost for me, I just I
genuinely love cooking and creating new recipes, and I, more
so than ever, love eating good food. That kind of
metally is what drives me. And I think because of that,
because I truly love what I do, that's what keeps

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me going through the rougher times or when things get
really busier, when I'm under a lot of time pressure,
just the fact that I love it. And it's a
bit strange because a lot of people, not many people,
are fortunate enough to work in a field in which
they love. I know a lot of people in the
professional food industry that cook for a living, not because

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they love it. It's a job, not a passion. So
when people ask me what my hobby is and what
I do on Sundays, it's a really boring answer. I
actually cook, I try something new, or I read cookbooks.
It's really daggy.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Well, look, I'm not a great cook, and I could
probably guilty at times of cooking because I have to
feed my family. So these books have been amazing for me.
But I've gone one step further thanks to your books.
Now you know, I cook one new recipe a week,
we all go yes, no, does it stay on the

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rost or not? Like, I've definitely pushed myself because I
feel like I can and it's easy and I'm going
to be able to whip up something gorgeous and tasty
and it's not going to take me all night and
I'm not gonna have to go to three soup markets.

Speaker 18 (01:25:19):
And that's exactly the kind of feedback I love to hear.
And I've always said that, you know, when people say,
what's the best advice you can give someone who's starting
out in the cooking journey, my number one advice is always,
you know, enjoy it, don't get stressed out. As you've
become more confident, and as you start enjoying what you've
made because it's so tasty, you just gain that confidence

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to go out and start exploring more new dishes, and
then it's just kind of like a snowball effect. You
start experimenting more, you gain more experience, you eat more
types to delicious food and then all of a sudden
you're a crazy obsessed food blogger.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
That's somehow I don't think I'm quite going to get there.
But do you know the other thing about these cookbooks
is they're incredibly generous. There is won they're massive, but
there is so much in here, so many recipes, so
many great tips, so many sauces and ways around things.
Incredibly generous.

Speaker 18 (01:26:18):
I just think they're culled back versions of the manuscript
I originally submitted. Every time I have a fight with
the publisher for what I have to take out good
I always have more than what I'm allowed to print.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
I did notice at the beginning of this book there's
a bit of a chat. Well it's not a chat,
it's very large capitals talking about salt. What are we
doing wrong with the salt we're using in our cooking?

Speaker 7 (01:26:43):
Yes?

Speaker 18 (01:26:43):
Yes, so for me, salt is actually one of the
main things that will make a dish fail or succeed,
and I think so many people get it wrong because
a lot of people there's just such inconsistencies. So chefs
use typically they will use sea salt, and that is
a core of the weight and volume of table salt,
and a lot of people are still cooking with table salt,

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and nobody understands that you use a tea spin of
table salt in a recipe that calls for a teat
in the sea salt, it's massively over salted and it's
not enjoyable. So yeah, it's very I'm very very I'm
for every single one of my recipes use cooking salt
or coarse grain salt, and so I just constantly hound

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that point home because it can be the difference between
make or break of a dish. To be honest, under
salted dishes taste bland. So you can have all the
spice levels right yep, but if you don't have enough
salt in it, it'll taste bland.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
That's interesting.

Speaker 18 (01:27:40):
Yeah, it's really funny, Like you can make any of
my recipes and if you leave out the salt, you'll
complain that the dish is blanned. Then you put the
salt in and all of a sudden, it's perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
That's the key. There we go. How's dozer and your
gorgeous dog had a bit of a rough year.

Speaker 18 (01:27:56):
He did, He's going so well. I'm just so grateful
he came back and yeah, I'm just very, very lucky.
He's an older dog, but I'm just trying to enjoy
every day I've got him, and he's happy and healthy
and bouncing around again. And yeah, very.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Lucky, well, because he's a large part of this journey,
as is your mum. Are you moving in with your mum?

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:28:19):
I did, I did. I'm renovating my home, so we
are trying to move in together just while my home's
being renovated. We're twenty four hours in. We'll see how
we go, because the last time I tried it, I
lasted five days and then I stormed out.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
So but a little seriousness. Your mama is actually a
huge part of the business, isn't she.

Speaker 18 (01:28:40):
She is, She's got her own website, She's part of
the team. I rely on her so much. So yeah,
I mean, I consider her my best friend. But there's
no doubt we are a mother and daughter and we
definitely butt heads. And I'm you know, I'm a bit
past the age of living at home. I left home
at eighteen, so trying to go back is a bit

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of a challenge. So we'll see. Twenty four hours in, Franchett,
we're doing okay.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
So far I'm sending you strengths. Look, we should we
should give a shout out to your charity, Recipe ten Meals,
as well, because this is providing meals to those in need,
which you fully fund through the profit of Recipe ten eats.
How important is that side of the business to you.

Speaker 18 (01:29:23):
It's actually the most important part of my business. Everybody
in my team knows it. No matter what's going on.
If people calling sick and they need to they need
a hand in the kitchen, then if you get a
phone call at five thirty in the morning, you get
out of bed and you go. And it's made very
clear to everyone in my team, no matter what else
is going on. Even when I had my cookbook deadlines
to submit the manuscript, my publisher knew that if I

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had to deal with the with my food bank, then
I would cancel interviews. And I have had to cancel
interviews to go help out. So yeah, it's the number
one priority, Because to be honest, what I always say
to my guys is every day we have five hundred
people waiting for dinner, and you can't knock turn up.

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You just can't not turn up.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Yeah, are you are you noticing an increased need for it.

Speaker 18 (01:30:13):
Yeah, absolutely will never fill the void. I mean, I
don't know what it's like actually in New Zealand that
overhear the inflations has gone through this through the roof.
Cost living is just high than it's ever been, so
we're really noticing it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Yeah, no, same here. So all in all, NAGGI still
no regreats from walking away from that corporate finance job.

Speaker 18 (01:30:35):
Ah, missing my life as an auditor. I can pretty
safely say.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
So deare I ask? Because it's so unfair when you're
just celebrating sort of the end of all is hard work.
But what next? I know?

Speaker 18 (01:30:53):
Right now, I'm just focused on enjoying the book tour
because this is to me the reward for the hard work.
And then next year I really want to bed down
and start increasing the number of neils, be producing them
from our food bank. We're just invested in some new equipment,
so I want to start pushing the boundaries of what
we can do there to increase efficiency and make more meals.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Naggie, it's been a delight to catch up with you again.
Thank you so much for the book.

Speaker 18 (01:31:18):
Loving it, Thank you so much for your time Francisca.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
And Tonight by Nagie Mahashi is in stores now. Panel
is up next here on the Sunday Session. It's twenty
past eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
It's a Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great breaths, us talk seedy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
And it is time now for the panel. Oh hang on,
oh yeah, panel? All right? Okay. Joining me is comedian
Penny Ashton. I do know what's going on? Penny all
try Yeah, good morning, and I'm also doing by Newstalks.
He'd be host Roman Travers.

Speaker 9 (01:32:00):
How are you well?

Speaker 8 (01:32:02):
Hang on?

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Have you got your Michael? Yeah, okay, we've got the
fighter up. Let's just check chaos. It's it's all been,
It's all been beautiful up till now. Did okay? Good
to hell with us? Roman.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 21 (01:32:13):
I actually said you're looking delicious and no one noticed.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
No, no, we were just too busy trying to technically
get this show on the road.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
But here we are.

Speaker 22 (01:32:21):
Hey, look, we can all imagine what you're looking like
at course, because radio is a great medium.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Post Sorry was that?

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Were you fishing? For a compliment. You're looking great too.

Speaker 21 (01:32:27):
I just think people say how are you, and they
don't really give a flying fart. I actually do, and
you do look fabulous because it is radio not television.

Speaker 8 (01:32:35):
Carry on.

Speaker 18 (01:32:36):
That's there we go. Now.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
An article caught my attention in you Throom. Actually always
really enjoyed reading Peter Dunn's article. He was talking about
the move that has been made, of course in Wellington
to bring a Crown observer, and the point he was
making is, you know, we've all sort of been watching
what's going on in Wellington and and how things are
falling apart with the council, with the government now making

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this move. Peter Dunn is sort of saying, look, this
is going to be really hard to sort out. You've
got to council with a lot of different views. You've
got a very difficult financial situation. It's not going to
be fixed in a hurry. But by stepping up Roman
and the Government putting a toe in the water, going
we're going to help you sort this out. Really, the
public perception is now it is on the government to

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sort this out, is it, though?

Speaker 21 (01:33:23):
Well, one thing I've always told my girls when they
were growing up is don't go thinking that adults are
any better than children. And clearly with the three mayors
that have come out recently in the media and talked
three previous Willington meres and talked about what idiots we
have in general terms running Wellington. They are a bunch
of clowns and I think we collectively put too much
faith in people to get things right. We do it
with politicians at central government, we do it with local government.

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I voted for so and so. He's a nice guy,
he wears a tie and he was an accountant for
thirty years. Bunch of blankers who can't even get on together.
I think it's time quite seriously to scrap councils and
bring it back to central government because we collectively pay
too much for our rates to play to pay a
bunch of clowns to fart around and get nothing done.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
I think there needs to be some central control over
what happens in your region. No, sorry, some local contry, yeah,
I do. I think there needs to be some local
control over what happens. I think it's too much to
expect the government to take it all on board and
to be able to cater peening. I'm not sure your
thoughts on thistle to the ins and outs of what's
happening in your particular region, because we're all dealing with
quite different issues.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
Absolutely, But what I.

Speaker 22 (01:34:28):
Think is that the rates burden is too big on councils,
Like for the government to come out and tell them
off for not managing water properly is just outrageous, Like
they just don't have enough money.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
You know, there's not enough people in Wellington to pay
for their bloody woes with.

Speaker 22 (01:34:41):
Water, and you know, when the last government was poised
to actually try and help with that, then this government
comes along and says they should be increasing debt.

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
I'm like, I'm pretty sure this government really hates debt.

Speaker 22 (01:34:50):
But apparently that's what they're telling them to do to
fix their water woes, when actually they've got it within
their power to step up and bloody help them with
some money because that's what they need some money at
this point. But you know, this government's slashing funding left,
right and center and taking away probably consultants and things
like that in this area and then expecting them to
fix I don't know, it's it just seems very much like,
you know, a government that has very ideologically opposed to

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the mayor and Wellington and sort of you know, stepping
into this like there's no actual one thing that seems
to have happened that has sparked this, and to me
it just smacks a little bit of politics as well.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
So then do you think Penny that Simeon Brown, you know,
the expectation is on him to fix it. I mean,
I get I think with the government stepping in, that's
what they're saying.

Speaker 22 (01:35:30):
Well, the thing is, you know, if they step in
and find some money to help prove this, then then great,
because that's what they need. I mean, I just find
it hard to take it from a man who was
like New Zealand's spending very much on cycle ways and
obviously he doesn't like certain pet projects, which I think.
You know, I've never visited anywhere in the world that
has a pedestrianized center that isn't vibrant and full of
life like Key Street now is so much better in Auckland,

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Casual Mall, riverside Market, these places are vibrant. And also
the same people that complain about cycleways, complain about cyclists,
complain about traffic, complain about spending on public transport, it's
like choose one most I was choose one and I
just sick of all that nonsense as well.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
But Roman Pinny's got a point. I haven't been. You know,
if you've done any traveling and you have been to
city centers and they've been revitalized because they've brought the
people back and put people first. It's just really hard
journey to get there, isn't it. It's a really hard
it's a very long and expensive process to revitalize that.

Speaker 21 (01:36:23):
You know what people who are saying, oh, you can't
do that. Oh there's no example of that happening. Hello,
wake up and give yourself a good stiff uppercut. Toadonger
was just an absolute look like the plague had swept
through Toadonger. They put a statutory council on a board
of you know, controlling communists and it worked. So you know, Wellington,
you need to think very carefully when you're voting, when
you're voting next time. When you see Brian, I've been

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an accountant, I love cats, think a bit deeper before
you vote for these idiots.

Speaker 22 (01:36:51):
Now, and I think calling them all idiots is not helpful.
My friend was the deputy mayor of Nelson. She got
hounded out by just horrid, misogynistic bollocks comments like she
got called a.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
Traitorous dog over parking.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Wow.

Speaker 22 (01:37:03):
So I think we need to be really careful about
rest wreck around politicians because they're still people, and the
way that they get subject to hatred drives them out
and then we lose really good minds like my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
I think we also need to be very careful when
we're talking about Waikato. Now, Waikato has has reached Expedia's
top global travel trends for twenty twenty five. Go Waikato.
But I think we would all agree we're surprised, but
not surprised by this.

Speaker 22 (01:37:29):
I don't know, you know, it was about sort of
off the beaten track places and so Waikato would certainly
fit that. But I spent a lot of time there
because I do shows there. I'm actually doing a show
there on Thursday night on Halloween, my Shakespeare Show.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
And it's they're like the Hamilton Gardens. I cannot stress
enough that they are some of the best gardens I
have ever seen anywhere.

Speaker 16 (01:37:46):
In the world.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
All that rolling greenery, the river, you know when you
go through Hobbiton, Waitomo, Caves, Raglin, just all these incredibly
cool places. So actually I'm not surprised at all.

Speaker 21 (01:37:58):
I actually initially thought that Expedia couldn't spell Wellington, so no, seriously,
I thought they've got that wrong.

Speaker 17 (01:38:05):
But I've lived there.

Speaker 21 (01:38:06):
I used to work on news Talk there Be and
zd HFM one hundred years ago in Hamilton, and I
couldn't understand why it got such a hard wrap. Those gardens,
they are award winning.

Speaker 18 (01:38:15):
Yeah, they're amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Apparently everyone is going to be a flooding this way,
so that's very very exciting. I want to touch on
one more thing before we wrap up the panel. There
is a story in the news about a family who
got two kittens. Raised these kittens about five years, yet
later there was a thunderstorm. One went missing. Now that
was microchip. They put up posters, they put out a

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ten thousand dollars award for this cat. The cat never
came home. Four or five years later, this cat ends
up at a vet. They checked the microchip. They contact
the family and they say, we have found your cat.
The family is overwhelmed with joy, but the family that
adopted the cat and good faith don't want to give
it back?

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
What do you do?

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Roman, This is a tricky one.

Speaker 21 (01:39:02):
No, it's not at all, So no, I think it is. Well, no,
there should be a simple test. If you can't get
your cat that you haven't seen for years to sit
on command or to come to you, then it's not
your cat.

Speaker 22 (01:39:13):
Or as I'm diametrically opposed to this, I think that
if you find a cat that is clearly well looked
after and loved, you take it, you get it scanned,
and then you return it to the bloody owners.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
I think this is theft, This is actual zest.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
No, because that was my thing. I was like, well,
if I found a pet, I wouldn't just immediately go
we'll we'gon and adopt you and keep you. I would
make an effort to try and find the owner. And
if I can't find the owner, and of course we're
all supposed to get our pets microchip, so that that
would make sense to me as well. Look, I think
it depends if my kids had grown up and there

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with sort of left home and they weren't quite so
attached to the cat anymore, and the cat was very
well loved, and maybe the new family had young children
who were attached to what I'd be a bit more
relaxed and go, you know what, the cat is very
happy and you've got a beautiful, you know, family, and
this is all working out well, and I'd kind of
let it go.

Speaker 8 (01:40:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:40:04):
True.

Speaker 21 (01:40:04):
I think it depends on the situation. Penny, you're very
smart for a comedian. I think you should stand for
Wellington Council.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
Screw you anyways. Comedians are smart. Comedians are smart. Comedy
is hard. Comedy is hard.

Speaker 22 (01:40:16):
What I think though, is, you know, like the plethora
of cats in the country that need adopting because they've
been abandoned or mistreated, et cetera. Go one, bloody, adopt
one of those instead of stealing somebody else's very well
looked after pet.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Micro chaps are there for a reason. Get it scanned,
give it back, Stop stealing cats.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
I suppose we should just be pleased that people are
loving cats so much, or loving their family pets so much,
shouldn't we?

Speaker 7 (01:40:38):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
Look, Penny Ashton and Roman Travis, thank you so much
for joining us. Penny's show that she mentioned is called
The Tempestuous, a shrewd new comedy by Will Shakespeare and
Penny Ashton. So just google the Tempestuous and I'm sure
that you will come up with the dates that she
is touring her very well reviewed show around the country.

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Jason Pine is with us next with Sport.

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It's Sunday, the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudcott and Wigkeles
for the best selection of a great YS news talk
sed be Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
My goodness, what fantastic sort of twenty four hours and
sport it has been. Jason Pine, well, thank you. Of
course you're with us at midday. Should we start? We've
got to start with the cricket. We spoke to Craig
coming this morning and just talking about the magnitude of
what they have achieved. It's enoos. It's a bit like
Italy beating the All Blacks at Eden Park twice in

(01:42:43):
a row.

Speaker 23 (01:42:43):
I think that's a pretty good analogy. Yeah, I think
it is. India never lose Test series at home. You
know they've won the last eighteen consecutive Test series against
everybody at home. Last time to beat them there was
in twenty twelve. England did it. New Zealand have never
won a series there before the last fortnight. We've only
ever won twice there in seventy years. Two Test match
single test matches won two and two weeks won a series.

(01:43:07):
It's it's actually hard to contextualize exactly how big this is,
but it is big. And Mitchell Santna if anybody had
on their bing go card Mitchell Santner taking thirteen wickets
to run through India, then well, I mean you need
to you need to give me a lot of numbers
or something, because that was just so far out of
the blue.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
You know, I'm sure that you'll try and sort of
put it into context and put some perspective on it
in the show This Afternoon. Of course, All Blacks were
also in Japan last night's play game Racker.

Speaker 8 (01:43:35):
Yep, they did.

Speaker 23 (01:43:35):
They got the job done, ten tries, no injuries. I
think that's important. A lot of guys who haven't played
a lot of rugby this year for the All Blacks
got the chance to do that and I think put
their hands up for selection for the big Test to come.

Speaker 8 (01:43:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:43:47):
Functional enough, Jason Ryan, assistant coach and I joined us
on the show, excuse me this afternoon?

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Functional enough?

Speaker 18 (01:43:53):
I think it was.

Speaker 3 (01:43:54):
Yeah, it was, but we still have this little, this
repetitive issue. If we start really well in the second half.
I kind of when made a cup of tea and
you didn't come back.

Speaker 23 (01:44:04):
To be honest with you, well, I watched till I
watched until the end, I'll have you know, and sure
you did.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
It's good job.

Speaker 23 (01:44:11):
Yeah, and I thought they were okay, they were very
good in the first half. You're right. They brought six
players on at the same time, so like the old
bomb squad from South Africa, and I wonder whether that
sort of took away their precision a little bit. But yeah,
we'll have a chat about that. And they're quite a
bit of sport on this afternoon or later on this evening.
Rugby league in christ Church, Double International football at Mount Smart,
Auckland FC and netball tonight the Silver Firms. Someone can

(01:44:31):
cover all that off as well.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
Okay, it's all go. I'm exhausted. Are you heading out
to the football?

Speaker 23 (01:44:36):
I will be yeah, I'll do the radio stuff first
and then I'll get out to Mount Smart.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
Busy day than it is twenty one to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
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Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
Meghan Singleton joins us now to talk travel. Good morning,
Good morning. Now, there are some interesting experiences you can
have in order to celebrate Halloween there. I mean, you
can just go do your trickle treating, or if you're
in Auckland, you might want to go along and be
terrified at spookers. But you had a very interesting experience
in Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
Yes.

Speaker 24 (01:45:21):
Well, So, firstly, disclaimer, I hate spooky stuff and I
hate Halloween because it's all about the celebration of evil
spirits who have supposedly run amok the night before All
Hello's Day. So we really meant to be celebrating All
Saints Day on November the first, but now we just
celebrate Halloween. But in the name of looking for a

(01:45:43):
good story for my blog, I found myself accepting an
invitation in Philadelphia to go to Halloween Nights, which is
a six week annual fundraiser for the historic Eastern State Penitentiary.
So this infamous prison is spooky enough without this event.
It once housed al Capone. I mean they let him

(01:46:05):
pimp his cell, by the way, and you can still
go and see it today with carpets and rugs and
lamps and writing desk and a nice bed and everything.
So anyway, my husband and I rock up at this prison,
which is huge and imposing, towering brick walls. It's aerily
lit inside. There are one hundred and fifty actors and

(01:46:25):
the whole place has been turned into five different haunted houses.
There are zombies and monsters, and we can hear screaming
and doors clanging and chainsaws and dentist drills.

Speaker 4 (01:46:37):
So we go in.

Speaker 24 (01:46:38):
We sign the waiver first, obviously in case we die,
and there are ambulances parked outside.

Speaker 18 (01:46:45):
I'm not even joking. I'm scared just telling you this.

Speaker 24 (01:46:48):
So we put on a neon neckband, and that means
if you put one of these on, it means you're
allowing the actors to touch you. They can whisk you away,
that sort of thing. So we start going in and
I'm crouched so low behind my husband. I'm holding onto
the tail of his puffer jacket. But we keep in
our little group of probably ten. We keep being in

(01:47:09):
the front because we're going so slow that the group
have gone ahead of us, and now we're the first
people to be jumped out at Oh my word, So
we squeeze through, like they've got these inflatable buffers in
the hallways to make the hallways really narrow so you
can barely squeeze through. And someone grabbed my ankles. I mean,
for a noise came out of my mouth that I've

(01:47:30):
never heard before. A girl in front of me was grabbed.
She disappeared through an opening and we never saw her again.
We did come past sort of a dentist area and
a man was fighting being dragged into a dentist chair,
and all the drill sounds and stuff, and so on
we go. You come out, you take a breath, and
you have a nervous giggle, and then you go into
the next sort of phase of this. And over the

(01:47:52):
years they've got more and more spooky. But but they
do for scaredy cats, just have a cocktail bar area
where you can just go have a drinks, tribute to
and recover and contribute to the fundraising, which is what
this prison needs.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
Is that the most terrifying thing you've ever done, ever done,
ever in my life. Did you see anyone require assistance
from the ambulances.

Speaker 24 (01:48:21):
I don't know, I don't know. I don't think I did.
People were in various stages of repose. When we got out,
you know, sitting some leaning over, but some having a
fairbeous time. Thought it was hilarious.

Speaker 18 (01:48:34):
They go through again.

Speaker 24 (01:48:35):
Yeah, I mean all up to what your constitution can
cope with.

Speaker 4 (01:48:38):
I think you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Thank you so much, Meghan. If you'd like to find
out more about it, Meghan's got to blog up on
her website, blogger at large dot com. And actually, if
you are thinking about a novel way of celebrating Halloween,
try and find a copy of Spookers. I'm not sure
where you can screen it. Actually, I'll have a Google
and see if I can find it. It's a film
from twenty seventeen, a documentary that Florian and Habitch made

(01:49:01):
here in New Zealand on the scare. I call it
the scare Attraction, I suppose, which is all the horror attraction.
It's in South Auckland, adjoining what was once King Seat
Psychiatric Hospital. You may have been there, you may have
had the experience and Spookers everybody is just terrified, but

(01:49:22):
it is a wonderful watch. It's about It's really a
film about community and the people at work there and things.
But you also get to experience it a little bit.
So if you are looking for a little bit of
a harrowein horror, see if you can track down a
copy of Spookers and enjoy that documentary. It is fourteen
to twelve books.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
With Wiggles for the best selection of great Reads.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
And it is time to talk books. And joining me
now is Joan mackenzie. Good morning, Good morning, Hey Monte
Suita has a sequel out to his book, Yes.

Speaker 25 (01:49:56):
Yes, Carbo subtitled course such a Time as this was
his first one came out two years ago, and now
he has a sequel which is called Cowi Tree of Nourishment,
relates to Christianity, which becomes a fam in the book.
And I believe that this is the second and what's
likely to be a trilogy. And I've just got to
say that I love these books. I think he delivers

(01:50:17):
really immersive storytelling. The first one was a huge local bestseller,
was one of the most talked about novels actually in
twenty twenty three, and that was set in the mid
eighteenth century. Well, this new one picks it up a
generation later, starting from about eighteen eighteen. But the very
beginning of the book and the very end of the

(01:50:37):
book are about a young man. He's a student, and
he's on a journey with his grand uncle and asking
questions about his descendants in the history of their people
and their tribe, about which this modern young man knows
absolutely nothing. And the grand uncle then begins the story
of what happened back in the day. And the lead

(01:50:59):
character in this second book is called Hinmay, and her
family of clothing was betrayal because her cousins murdered her father.
So there's lots of themes of revenge and vengeance. But
the way in which they lived started to change with
the arrival of white people, as we all know. So
colonialism began and brought with it muskets and disease, influenza,

(01:51:24):
and new religion, which of course was Christianity, and it
became very divisive for so many of the families and
the tribes because some people were converted to this new
religion and others were deeply skeptical. I don't know if
I've got time to read you a piece from the book,
but to me it's simply encapsulated, so I'll do it quickly.
It says the decline of our people in numbers health

(01:51:45):
and manner is a bitter reality. I attribute these losses
to the darkness that has befallen our vital essence. Our
beliefs are shifting, our habits are changing, and in the
process we've neglected to safeguard the sanctity of our life force.
It's very powerful, as I say, fantastic storytelling and I
loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
Yes, and he creates a beautiful sense of time and
place which I very much enjoyed. Yes, he does tell
me about from here to the great and known.

Speaker 25 (01:52:13):
This is by Lisa Marie Presley, who of course famously
is Elvis's daughter, and her own daughter Riley Keo. Now
it came about because Lisa Marie wanted to write her
memoir and she recorded a lot of audio ready to
help her do that, but then died before she was
able to get the project done. And so her daughter, Riley,

(01:52:35):
who is a well known actress, took on the project
herself and used her mother's tapes to put forward the
story that her mother had wanted to give the world.
And it's done all in the first person, but in
two voices. So she's cleverly used two different type scripts
and one for when it is Lisa Marie's story and

(01:52:55):
one for when Riley is adding some commentary or some
insight into it. And you know, this was a tragic life.
She was nine when Elvis died. She grew up in
glammed Her childhood was absolutely chaotic, but the one constant
was her father, Elvis, who clearly adored her. And when
he died, and she relives that moment and it was

(01:53:16):
just awful. She then had to go and live with
her mother, who she detested, and her teenage years were
completely chaotic. She ended up meeting Riley's dad, Danny Keo,
married him, but eventually left him for Michael Jackson. Married Michael,
but then left that marriage too because she said that
Michael was very controlling and he wanted her to have

(01:53:37):
kids so that he could essentially take them away and
look after them and essentially cut her out of their lives.
So it's all terribly tragic, and she died very young.
And reading this book, you know there's a lot of
money sloshing around, clearly from inheritance and the estate, I guess,
but you get the strong insight that being famous and
having so much money doesn't mean that you can fix

(01:54:00):
what needs fixing not at.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
All, and it sounds like they've come up with a
clever solution to it, identifying the voices which are speaking.

Speaker 25 (01:54:09):
Yeah, they have and it's very well done, very moving.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
Thank you so much, Joan. Those two books Carlwai Tree
of Nourishment by Monte Suitor and also From Here to
the Great Unknown by Lessen Marie Presley and Riley Keo.
We'll talk next week, Joan.

Speaker 25 (01:54:21):
See then leap it simple.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
It's Sunday, the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of Greg Relates news talks.

Speaker 22 (01:54:31):
Envy, thank you very.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
Much for joining me this morning on the Sunday Session.
This weekend, I'm reading Rick Astley's memoir it's called Never.
He's got a really interesting story to tell actually, because
it was he went from being this global superstar and
thought of as this manufactured pop artist and regarded as
a puppet of the evil empire of stock Ache and
and Waterman, to an artist who has written and produced

(01:54:55):
his own album. He's performing at Glastonbury. He's become this
internet sensation as well, so he's getting this st of
second chance at fame and he's doing it quite differently anyway.
The the memoir is fascinating, especially kind of you know,
going back into the world of pop music in the eighties.
Some great stories. So I'm looking forward to finishing that off.

(01:55:17):
But more so I'm really looking forward to him joining
me on the Sunday Session next weekend. So Rick Esley
on the show next weekend. Thank you very much to
Shannon and Kerry for producing the show today. Piney's up next,
Jason Pines up next. He has got a Choc a
Bloc show lined up for you, a lot to talk about.
King to get your thoughts on all the sport that
has been taking place over the weekend, So take care

(01:55:40):
of the back tomorrow morning at nine.

Speaker 17 (01:55:59):
Each other.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
What's been going on.

Speaker 7 (01:56:11):
The game God Understand?

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
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