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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great reads news Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Welcome to the Sunday Session. Hope your weekend is going well. Gosh,
it's been some terrible weather around the country of course,
not a great start to the school holidays, but I
hope you're all safe and sound right. Coming up on
the show today, comedian Jimmy Reeves, the Australian YouTube sensation,
is coming to New Zealand with his show in Real Life.
It's his first tour to New Zealand, so we're going
to find out how he takes his online clips and

(00:49):
turns them into a stage show, and whether the former
children's TV hosts would ever go back to traditional television
after the success he's had online. We also have a
double pass to give away to his show. After eleven
We talked to Michelle Bursmard, the curator and producer of
new Banksy exhibition The Art of Banksy. It opens in
Auckland on July seventh. Banksy is one of the world's

(01:12):
most famous artists. He uses his work to affect social change,
but despite his global following, his identity remains officially at
least unknown. We talk to Michelle, who does actually no Banksy,
about the power of his work and whether we will
ever know who this artist really is. And as always,
you're most welcome to text me throughout the morning ninety
two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
The Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
So what's your number? What's the amount you think would
be perfect to win in Lotto Powerball? The amount that
allows you to pay off the mortgage, set up the kids,
help family, maybe fulfill a dream or two, but without
it upending your life in a negative way. We've all
got a fantasy number, right. I reckon ten million would

(02:00):
be perfect, But to be honest, I'd take anything the
numbers give me a couple of grand Lotto has a
proposition to evolve the draw to ensure it continues to
appeal to people, and it's really early stages. They're going
to need government approval. But the idea is to see
fewer regular wins and more of the exciting mega jackpots

(02:23):
of fifty million. And how do They do this by
adding another powerball number. So of course, currently to win
Powerball you need to get the six first division numbers
in the powerball number. There are ten pow ten balls
in the powerball draw, and your chances of winning are
one and thirty eight million. If we add one extra

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powerball and the odds would decrease to one and forty
two point two million, meaning the jackpots rise to these
crazy amounts, which would cause a frenzy of ticket sales.
So fifty million jackpots. It sounds exciting, right, It's why
so many people ignore the odds and queue up to
buy a ticket and the hope of winning an unfathomable

(03:04):
amount of money. So a lot of New Zealand are
like beyond to something here. But it will also make
it harder to win. I've always felt uncomfortable when the
number gets above the twenty million mark. Yes, it is
wonderful to think about all the good you could do,
but I also start thinking about things like whether I'd
tell anyone, How could you keep it private? Would it

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impact my friendships, relationships with family? How would it impact
our kids and how they choose to live their lives?
Would it change priorities? And values, And yes, you could
say it's a waste of energy overthinking something which I
can say with confidence is not going to happen. Even so,
hearing about powerball winners and there have been eleven overnight
millionaires this year, including two lucky punters who split thirty

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million Saturday last week, that does see me buying the
occasional ticket. So knowing it's even harder to win and
there will be fewer winners makes the lotto draw less
appealing to me for the two simple reasons. I don't
think any one needs to win fifty million, and I'd
much prefer more New Zealanders had the life changing experience

(04:12):
of waking up on a Sunday a heck of a
lot better off, rather than just a few waking up filthy.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Rich for the Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
So do you like the status quote like I do?
At present? Ticket sales are the highest I've ever been.
So isn't that a sign that people like the current
odds and you've actually got better odds at winning if
the jackpot is lower? Or do you only buy a
ticket when it gets ridiculously high? When that jackpot gets
ridiculously high and you don't care that it's hard to win,
so you think the changes are good. Keen to hear

(04:45):
from you. Ninety two ninety two. Up next, Justice Minister
Paul Goldsmith is with us to talk about the government's
sentencing reforms that will take effect today. It is eleven
past nine. You're with the Sunday Session.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Keep it's simple. It's Sunday the Sunday.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for the best selection
of Gravers News Talks Envy.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Thank you very much for your text. Good morning. I
would like to see powerboar capped at ten five or
ten million, and then I must go. Gives more people
a better chance at having a helping hand. I tend
to agree makes me feel better anyway when I buy
a ticket. Keep the text coming. Ninety two ninety two. Right,
Another suite of the government's tough on crime policies come
into effect today. This is a sentencing reform. They include

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capping discounts judges can apply to forty percent, encouraging the
use of cumulative sentences, and a sliding scale of discounts
for guilty Please. On top of that, we have new
aggravating factors for judges to consider there have been critics
of the reforms as they argue this takes away the
power and judgment of the courts. Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith
is with us. Thanks so much for your time this morning. Minister,

(05:51):
Good morning, good morning, good morning. How are you good?
Thank you. Now the discount changes and the capping are
probably the big controversy. Why have you decided to bring
those in?

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Well, look, I mean the government's overall prior is to
restore law and order. Remember, people were very worried about
disorder in their community in streets and high levels of crime.
And over the last eighteen months we've been doing a
whole lot of things, but a big part of it
is about ensuring that there are real consequences for crime.
And I think a lot of people were frustrated, you know,

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reading about people being convicted of serious crimes like violent
assault or rape and then the judge discounting the sentence.
There a whole lot of reasons and the ending up
with a very light sentence at the end, and then
people have left feeling well, actually, the consequences don't really
match the crime, and so what we've done is put

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a limit on that discount so that people will get,
you know, a significant sentence if they do a significantly
bad crime.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
So the sentence discounts are capped forty percent. That still
feels quite high.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Well, yes, but I mean the biggest discount that you
always need to have available is for pleading guilty, just
in terms of the overall efficiency of the courts and
the fact that you know, if you plead guilty, you
remove the victim of the crime having to go through
the whole process, sometimes extending for years to get through that.

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And we've also got a parallel challenges which is trying
to speed up the processes of the court. So we
always want to have a discount of up to twenty
five percent for pleading guilty. But one of the changes
that we're making is that there was getting into a
habit where people were sometimes getting that big discount almost
on the morning of the trial, and so we're changing
it so that if you plead guilty at the earliest possibility, yes,

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you get twenty five percent potentially, but if you plead
guilty on the morning of the trial, you'd only get
five percent.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Should we actually have quite a problem with late stage
guilty please?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yes, there's been a lot of that, and you know,
we've got big challenges right across the courts to try
and speed up the processes of justice so that people
can get on with their lives and get things resolved
and move on. There's been huge delays that were made
us through COVID, and we've got a lot of efforts
trying to speed that up now. But fundamentally, this legislation
is about sending a very clear message that you know,

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what had developed into it almost a culture of excuses.
You know, if somebody beat somebody up or stroll something
from them, it wasn't really their fault. It was you know,
it was because of things that had happened or something
at this or something that. And our view is that
obviously people have to be personally responsible for their actions.
Of course, you got to be conscious of the broader

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social challenges that many people face. But if you're not
holding people accountable for their actions, then there's no way
forward because it just keeps on happening again and again
and again.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
So what are you expecting of judges now? Is everybody
very clear about these expectations. We're going to have consistency?

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Well, yes, I mean the judges still have some discretion
of course up to up to forty percent, but there's
an arrower band and so we're not going to we
won't be seeing the massive discounts that were sometimes seen
in the past. And so it's about Parliament sending a message.
Some people have said, oh, well, you know, that's sort
of interfering with the independence of the judiciary.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Parliament is responsible for the Sentencing Act, you know, and
we could have at the moment we have a maximum
penalty and discretion underneath that maximum penalty. The Parliament could
just as easily have a mandatory sentence, or a minimum sentence,
or a whole lot of things. What we've decided to
do is just keep with the basic structure of the
maximum sentence with some discretion, but we want to limit

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that discretion so as to send a message from Parliament
that we want a tougher response.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
When it comes to the culative sentencing for offenses committed
while on bail, in custody or on parole. You're encouraging
the use of these is that essentially those sort of
saying that judges, come on, you need to do.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
This, Yes, I mean cumulative sentences. You know, if you've
done two crimes with a seven years, you'd get fourteen
in total if you did one after the other. Now,
there are sort of real consequences for the prison population
and all that, But if you don't have any consequence
for your second offense, if you know you're you're in jail,

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and there are no consequences for beating up a prison
guards a second offense, well, then that's that's obviously a
big problem. So there's been a tendency over the past
few years for everything just to be added up into
one offense, and we're wanting to send a message that
actually the reality is. I mean, if you go back
to what we're trying to achieve, we want our whole

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goal and justice is to have fewer victims of crime.
That's that's a number one goal. We want to reduce
the number of victims of crime. We're making good progress
on that. But you know, if you're going to do that,
your obvious starting point is that very small number of
New Zealanders who create multiple victims again and again and again,
and you all know about it. And so what we're

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trying to do with the toughest sentencing framework is to
frankly keep that very small group of repeat offenders out
of public circulation for longer so that they can't create
more victims. It's what three strikes is about. But you know,
that's the punitive side. It's not the only thing we're doing.
We're also putting some extra resources into better rehabilitation and

(11:23):
trying to deal with some of some of those long
term issues as well. You've got to do you can't
do one or the other, You've got to do both.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
You mentioned prison population there. Obviously initially, these these new
sentencing reforms could potentially mean we're going to see longer sentences.
We're going to have people get locked up for longer.
Are we ready for that? Are we prepared for that?
Can we do that?

Speaker 6 (11:46):
Yes? Yes? Yes.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
And our first budget we put extra resources into the
one point nine billion actually into having a new prison
opened up in White Carrier and expanding room in our
prison sentence. I mean our goal, I mean, the government
had a goal of reducing the prison population no matter

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what happened, and you know that was that's all very well.
Everybody wants to have fewer people in prison, but it's
got to follow an actual drop in crime, and you know,
and so that's what I think what led to the
real concern and sense of disorder was that we have
we're having a big increase in actual crime and a
reduction in people in prison, and that that that that
didn't compute. And so yes, we're we're we're anticipating that

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prison population will continue to rise for a while. We
budgeted for that, but we think it's justified in order
to keep New Zealander safe.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
And you're confident that this is all going to restore
public confidence and in the courts and the system and
feeling safer.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Well, it's it's it's one one part of you know,
many things that we're doing to you know, along with
three strikes, along with giving the police extra powers to
deal with gangs in our community, along with a whole
lot of things that we're doing in.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
The retail space.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
It's about consistently sending a message that the culture of
excuses is over. We're focused on holding people to account
and having a tough law and order response, and at
the same time we continue to be extremely focused on
dealing with all of the long term drivers along that.
I don't know, if you think of youth crime, of course,
the most important thing you can do there is get

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the kids to school. And that's why I've got such
a big focus on dealing with truancy and a whole
bunch of broader social issues as well. Housing, emergency housing,
all those things are significant. But if you're not sending
a clear message that they're going to be real consequences
for crime, we're going to hold you to account and
we're not going to discount away your sentences with a
whole lot of excuses, apologizing ten times for ten different

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crimes and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
That's over.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, and paulak, I presume if you've already committed a
crime and you have been charged but you're waiting to
go through the courts, these will not apply to you.
It will apply today if you got a crime.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well no, well well it'll apply for any new sentence
that's coming up. Won't be going back into previous sentence
and anything like that. But if people are before the
court being sentenced, then this will apply.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Fantastic, Thank you so much for your time, Very much appreciated.
That was Justice Minister.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Paul Godsmith the Sunday Session twenty.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Three past nine. Right Denmark is making moves to allow
people to copyright their own features. The Danish government has
made the decision in an attempt to fight AI and
online deep fakes. So changes to their copyright law would
give people the right to their own body, facial features
and voice. It's believed to be the first law of
its kind in Europe. So is this a move in

(14:42):
the right direction? To discuss, I'm joined by leading internet
and copyright lawyer Rick Share. Good morning, Rick, How are you?

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Good morning?

Speaker 3 (14:50):
What do you make of this move by Denmark?

Speaker 7 (14:53):
Yeah, I think it's very interesting. I actually don't think
it's going to work. The problem with it. Normally, with
copyright you own if you take a photo, you the
person who takes the photo owns the copyright and the photo.
In this case, what they're trying to do is turn
that on its head for what they're preferring.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
To as deep fakes.

Speaker 7 (15:14):
Of course, deep fakes can take all sorts of all
sorts of nature. And the problem I see is that
what does this mean that if I take a photo
of a few friends at a party and then post
it online, does that mean that I'm infringing their copyright?
What about a photographer who takes a photo of a
public news something on the street, a public news event.

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Does that mean they have to get the permission of
everybody to publish the photo? I thought, I can see
a lot of issues with it, and the real issue
with me for me is that it doesn't really address
the underlying problem, which is the harm that's caused by
deep fakes of a particularly intimate nature.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
It's a very preventative kind of approach, isn't it. I
presume though, that if you would have to have altered
it or used AI or turned it into something to
become an issue. Like if you, as you say, you
were at a party and you took photos and you
put that photo for a photo, you put that photo online,
that was probably okay. If you took that photo and
you used AI and you manipulated it and you may
even naked, then yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:15):
It's unclear from the Danish proposals whether that's what they're suggesting.
It seems to be that they're just suggesting that, look,
I will own my image, and therefore if you want
to use my image, you have to get my permission. Now,
there is a form of that in the United States,
where you have a personality right where if you want
to commercially exploit someone else's image. Then you have to
get their permission. That's commercial expectation. We've also had various

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issues both in New Zealand and overseas in terms of
using photos in ways which are objectionable. The old case
of Mike Hosking and his kids being photographed in the
street created a privacy tought for us where photos which
are taken in a public place could be deemed to
be objectionable if they were used in that sort of way.

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So there are all sorts of areas that might impact here.
I do think though that really you have to focus
on the harm that's caused as opposed to just some
sort of blanket prohibition on people using other people's likenesses.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Okay, so we've had ACTMP Laura McClure on the show.
She was on the show a few weeks back with
her proposal around deep takes. Is what she's proposing is
a little bit different, but is that a better Yeah?

Speaker 5 (17:27):
I think.

Speaker 7 (17:29):
New Zealand is interesting in the sense that we have
a online piece of legislation, the Harmful Digital Communications Act,
which is quite unique in the world and quite quite groundbreaking,
groundbreaking that was brought in in twenty fifteen. It needs
some tweaks in this area.

Speaker 6 (17:49):
I think I think.

Speaker 7 (17:50):
AI has created a gap in that legislation. We introduced
Section twenty two A a little while ago for intimate
digital recordings.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
The problem is.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
That AI generated or manipulates image may not be a
recording in.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
The sense that the act uses it. So that's what.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
Laura and Claus Private Members bill is trying to address
is to say, well, look, if we thought that publishing
intimate visual recordings was bad, then what we need to
do is tweak it to make sure it covers that
these AI generated types of images.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
The bill currently lacks government support here. Would you would
you like to see more action around this? Do we
need to act? You know, I think we tend to
sit back on issues around you know, technology and AI
rate and things pass us by quite quickly, don't they
They do.

Speaker 7 (18:40):
And you know, Laura is a very cumbersome instrument to
deal with technological advance in the way that AIS advancing.
But I mean, copyright itself is up for grabs in
terms of AI. There are cases coming out every day now,
Meta and Anthropic two cases major cases in the United
States holding that in some senses, AI copyright material may

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be infringing if it's been if.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
It's been scraped.

Speaker 7 (19:07):
So there's all sorts happening in the area. But I
think yes, as I say, we saw it as important
to introduce law which addressed taking of intimate visual recordings.
All that we're doing here is tweaking it to make
sure that law has the proper ambit to cover manipulated images.

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So I don't think that's a big stretch, and I
think it's quite appropriate.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
With the Danish plan, part of it will also cover
realistic digitally generated imitations of an artist's performance without consent,
which is quite an interesting move, isn't it. They're trying
to cover a lot of bases here.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
Yeah, and that's the problem I think is that you
copyright is a very nuanced area. As I say, with
AI at the moment is completely throwing the copyright balls
into the air, as it were, So throwing this into
the max as well just creates another problem. I mean,
they've seen, for example, that they wouldn't be restraining satire

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war parody.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
How do you?

Speaker 5 (20:09):
How do you?

Speaker 7 (20:10):
It's easy to it's easy to describing out of something
you see it, and you know, when you see an
intimate visual recording. That is pretty obvious. But what about
I mean, in the in the news example, they've had
that picture of the pope dressed in a puffa jacket. Well,
is that what they're talking about? Because that doesn't seem

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to me to be something that copyright.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Law should address.

Speaker 7 (20:34):
It looks like parody. So if that's going to be
an exception, well where does the exception go? And that's
always a difficult difficult when you're created, when you're creating
these very wide laws, is that you end up having
to create so many exceptions that the law is too
difficult to enforce. And actually that's that's one other area
with copyright that's problematic is that copyright is not a

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copyright in Franklin is not a crime, and therefore it
would be a self help remedy. The better approach I
think for these sorts of very harmful digital intimate recordings
is to treatment as an offense, to treat them as
a crime, and therefore it doesn't rely on the victims
having to take their own action.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Rick, is this something which one country can solve? So
like if Denmark put this into place, they're not going
to have any control over content posted outside of Denmark, right,
So is it something that an individual country can come
up with a solution or do you need the buy
in from tech companies as well? Would we all kind
of need to be on the same page, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 7 (21:38):
I think the reality these days is that jurisdictional laws
like intellectual property laws, copyright, trademarks and so on, they
are jurisdictional. They're done by country by country. There are
international treaties which give some form of reciprocity, but the
reality is that as we speak at the moment, the
platforms are more powerful than the legislation. So I think

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the way to address these is to have the platforms
take some responsibility, and that's what the Danish law is suggesting.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
I think that the.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
Platforms would be required to take this material down. I
don't think the copyright weighs the way to do it,
but I do think that having laws which making them
offense to do these sorts of things, and then having
the platforms required to take the material down is the
right way to go.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Rick, really appreciate your time this morning. Thank you so much.
That was an internet and copyright lawyer, Rick Shaer there.
I mean to be honest with you, the idea of
owning the right to my own body facial hearing voice.
Considering the job I do is very appealing, but I
can completely understand how difficult it would be to implement.
Ken To hear your thoughts, you can text on ninety
two to ninety two. Local politics is up next. It

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is twenty seven to ten.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on NEWSTALGSB.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Good to have you with us. It is twenty five
to ten. I think would be fair to say from
the text that nobody wants to see a change to
lotto that you kind of all tend to agree with me.
We don't. No one needs to win fifty million dollars,
so body texts say I think it's a terrible idea.
I believe it should be turned in the other direction.
Maximum win five million, but would prefer way more wins
of two million, more people winning and changing more lives

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for the better. Two million would significantly change a person's
life for the better, and I need to give less
people mega amounts of money. There is always significant data
on how huge wins actually make people less happy and
can't manage being that wealthy. I wouldn't buy a ticket
if they go ahead with these new changes. So thank
you for your text. You can text any time this morning.
On ninety two ninety two, Right Times took local politics.

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I'm joined by news Talks. He'd be political editor. Jason
Wall's Good.

Speaker 8 (23:44):
Morning, Jason, good morning, Good morning, Good Davy with us.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Our deputy Prime minister had his first outing is acting
prime minister over the last twelve days or so, and
while there'd been some nervousness about it, well, what do
you know, the sun still rose. Life went on and
mister Seymour proved that he understands the gig and can
be a professional politician.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
Absolutely, the world did not end.

Speaker 8 (24:06):
There were some doom and gloom predicted if acting Prime
Minister David Seymour took over. For the most part, you know,
I would probably wager that most people around the country
didn't even know that there'd been a change. To be honest,
the Prime Minister was in China, then he was at
NATO in Europe, and that meant that David Seymour, who
had just recently taken over from Winston Peters, took the
reins of the Prime Minister's office. Now the Prime Minister's

(24:29):
still in charge, but it just basically means some of
the more day to day operations of the Prime Minister
falls to David Seymour. One of them is addressing media.
So he had a post cabinet press conference on Monday
where it was more or less the same as Luxon
did it. I mean, David Seymour has a little bit
more of, let's say, a cheeky flare when he answers
some questions and sometimes he takes cracks at the opposition

(24:53):
and various different things like that. The Prime Minister does
that as well, but there was nothing that I saw
that made me think, well, hang on a second, this
isn't very statesmanly, and it's kind of in the point
the whole time of having both Seymour and Winston in
those senior positions, because the Prime Minister, what he's deliberately
done is he's built a coalition that doesn't just last
this time, he's looking at for it to last for

(25:15):
the next election as well. And the way you do
that is by giving these other parties you maintain their
actual essence of a party, so the act party still
behaves in an act party way. And same with New
Zealand first while still holding ministerial warrants, and so I
wasn't surprised to see Seymour still being a little bit
David Seymour esk in front of media and in the House,

(25:37):
but not to a point where I thought there was
really any major problems.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Some very sad news this week of Parliament with the
sudden passing of Pati Maori, MP Takutai Tash Kemp. Some
wonderful tributes though.

Speaker 8 (25:49):
Jason, very wonderful tributes, and it's those sorts of days
where you sort of see that politics isn't always adversarial.
I mean there's times that they can come together and
they can either work together and you see that actually
a lot behind the scenes down here, or they can
pay tribute to a fallen member of the House. And
that's exactly what happened. It kicked off with Palmer Portaka,

(26:11):
who spoke mostly in today o Marty before offering a few,
well many words of condolence to her family, to her
farmer and to the party. And then it was speakers
from all across the house and Willie Jackson particularly spoke well.
I thought, a mix of tributes to Kemp as well

(26:32):
as some humor actually about how a lot of people
in Marty, them especially in the Tamakie Makoto electorate, think
that they must all hate each other, but they're actually
really good friends behind the scenes. So yes, I'm really
touching and heartwarming tributes on that one.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
So what happens next, Well, there's going to be.

Speaker 8 (26:50):
A by election in the Auckland Marty seats of Tamaki Makota.
That seat was won by just forty two votes by Kemp,
which is the smallest margin we saw across all electorates
last election, and there was some controversy behind that the
Manure Marai in terms of the way that the voting

(27:11):
station was operated there. So it looks like there will
be well, there is going to be a by election.
Now in terms of who stands, you would think that
it's very very likely, if not almost certain at this
point that Pini Hennare from the Labor Party will step
in for Labor and he will run there. He's won
that seat before and he would probably be I would
say the favorite.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
You've got the likes.

Speaker 8 (27:30):
Of Madam Davison who's running that seat as well, So
whether or not she runs that we don't know at
the stage and in terms of Tea Party MATI that's
an unknown as well. Some people have been speculation speculating
John tama Hidi, who is the current party president, who
needs no introduction. People know who he is, but we've

(27:51):
had no word on that one yet, so we've just
got to kind of wait to see. You know, it's
not quite the right time yet, but will the election
will be called soon, so candidates will be named pretty
soon as well, I would say.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Joseond, I don't know if you saw Friendo Sullivan's pace
in the Herold yesterday. She was just highlighting how well
this twelve day trip has gone for the Prime minister,
how he got his hussle on and he was in
fine form on the global stage. But she makes the
point that the Prime Minister needs to return home and
deal with declining poles here by engaging more with senior
business community and solving domestic issues.

Speaker 8 (28:22):
Would you agree, Oh, I mean he's a national prime minister.
He can't hang out with the business community enough. It
needs to be where he's always talking to and yes,
absolutely he should be doing that and whether or not
that'll turn the polls around for him. I mean at
the moment, it's fair to point out that the coalition government,
you know, it kind of switches between them being in

(28:44):
power and them being out of power, and so you know,
the Prime Minister will say one poll does not an
election make, but it surely would help quite a lot
in terms of those high level business meetings and meeting
with people across the country from those areas.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Jason Walls, thank you very much for your time this morning.
Appreciate it. Don't forget that coming up after ten Oussie,
comedian Jimmy Reese is going to be with me. We
have tickets to give away to his Auckland show as well.
And coming up next we're going to head off to
kadrona very exciting day at the skifield as it becomes
New Zealand's largest commercial skifield. They're opening the back basin

(29:20):
Soho Basin, which just sounds amazing. Cannot wait to get
down there. But in the meantime, while I'm sitting here
in the studio in Auckland, we will talk to the
chief Mountain Officer for Kadrona and Triple Cone about what
this means for skiing in New Zealand. It is eighteen
to ten.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
The Sunday Session full show podcast on iheartradiopowered by News
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Speaker 10 (29:44):
SO.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
As I mentioned today, Kadrona officially becomes New Zealand's largest
commercial skifield. The launch and opening its new Soho Basin
is taking place shortly this morning, in about half an hour.
The new development adds another one hundred and fifty hectares,
bringing Kadrona's total ski area to six hundred and fifteen hectares.
Joining me from the launch as Laura Headley, Chief Mountain

(30:05):
Officer Kadrona and Triple Cone. Good morning, Good morning, butually
this morning it is.

Speaker 11 (30:12):
It's very chilly this morning, so winter has come back,
which is awesome for us.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Now, look, this has been a decade in the planning
the opening of the new Soho Basin. How big has
this project been.

Speaker 6 (30:23):
It's been huge.

Speaker 11 (30:24):
We've been I mean everybody's been dreaming about skiing in
that basin and we've had the last two years of
construction work and are the lists ready to go. So
we're going to our official blessing today with ministers and
Ewie and our contractors that worked with us, and then
as soon as we get the right conditions, we'll be
opening it up for skiing.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Who gets the first run?

Speaker 11 (30:48):
Who was braves to get down there?

Speaker 6 (30:49):
Fasten?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
What does Sohoe Basin offer across both the terrain and
the wider experience of the area.

Speaker 11 (30:57):
Yeah, there's like one hundred and fifty height years of
terrain in there, which is huge. Right, it's new terrain.
No one's being in there. It's really rollly and playful.
We were really conscious when we did the terrain trail
development that we could keep it as natural as possible,
So I think people have a lot of fun. It's advanced,
that's intermediate terrain. Yeah, it's just it's a game change

(31:18):
of being able to open up that much more skiing terrain.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, I did see that. You called it the biggest
leap forward for skiing and a generation. Is that just
because of the size of it.

Speaker 6 (31:30):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (31:31):
It's not often in New Zealand that yet to open
up the new train like this. You know, we had
all of our pioneers back in the seventies and eighties
who opened up all the ski fields around New Zealand
and it's been a while since we've been able to
open more. So you know, we're pretty stoked. I can't
wait to be able to share it with people.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
And Laura, look, you buy your ski pass and it's included.
It's not extra to head over to that basin.

Speaker 11 (31:52):
It's included.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yep, excellent. How are you looking for snow?

Speaker 11 (31:58):
So we didn't need a bit of a warm patch
at the start of this week, but we got it
by a very cold patch. Today's go yesterday and so
it's looking much better. So we need to get our
teams out in there. We'll get some groomers out in
there as soon as we can, and we'll be opening
the terrain to the public as soon as possible.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
And as part of this development, you've also had to
continue investing in snowmaking. How crucial is that.

Speaker 11 (32:24):
Yeah, snowmaking is really important, especially early season, so it
gets up a really good base to make sure that
we're really consistent. This year we had a pretty lean
start and our main basin opened on majority of snowmaking,
so we put investment into our main basin. We've put
some investment into so High as well. We're going to
be building a water reservoir out there next year, so

(32:44):
from next year there'll be a huge amount of capacity
in that Soho Basin. So it should be really good
for us to get it open on time.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Laura, this is going to be hugely appealing to people.
I mean, Kadrona is already a hugely appealing mountain, especially
for families, and we're heading into the school holidays. Is
the rest of the mountain prepared for potentially more people
to want to ski at Kadrona.

Speaker 11 (33:06):
Yeah, yeah, So it wasn't just a list for us.
We needed to make sure we were ready everywhere else.
So we've put in more car parks, We've put in
more restaurants, so we're opening up a new restaurant from
tomorrow up the hill. We've got a new retail store.
We've done upgrades on things like power and water and
storm water and everything that we needed to get ourselves
ready to have more people workfare so they have a
great time, because we want to make sure that when

(33:27):
people come up they just have the most amazing experience
up here, and so we've put a lot into getting
it ready for this day.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Fantastic, have a wonderful day.

Speaker 11 (33:37):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
That was Laura Headley, Chief Mountain Office of the Kadrone
and Triple Comb. Well, it's going to be a great
school holiday down there, isn't it if you're heading that way.
It is twelve to ten. News took the b.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
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Speaker 12 (33:52):
The Interweber's watched currently telling me Erica Stamford is the
wocist minister in the government went under the cover of darkness.
She is snuck into legislation commitment to the treaty that
entrenches it in a way we should all be alarmed about.
And Erica Stamford is, of course the Minister of Education.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
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Speaker 3 (34:07):
Happens when you get a bunch of people who get
all whipped up with hatred and spout and complete and
uttered lies.

Speaker 12 (34:12):
It is correct to say it is in there, and
therefore some of the stuff that they're talking about can happen.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
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Speaker 10 (34:19):
Well, hold on a minute, Yes it's there.

Speaker 13 (34:20):
I didn't put it there like that, claiming it's been
there for a very long time.

Speaker 10 (34:25):
Are they legitimate questions? Yes?

Speaker 12 (34:27):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Maybe's Real Estate News Talk zed.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
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Speaker 14 (34:43):
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Speaker 3 (34:57):
Lady Gaga and Elton John there signed from above. They
are it is reported that about now we think they
are performing at the wedding of the Year Jef Bezos
and Lauren Sanchez is rather extravagant affair in Venice, which
of course has all of everyone up in arms because
all these people have come and they've shut down things
and oh, you know, to Venice has an issue with

(35:19):
tourists and things. They've made donations worth three million euros
and a study by Italy's Tourism Ministry estimates the overall
economic impact of the wedding is a nine hundred and
fifty seven million euros with an eight hundred and ninety
six million euro boots from the MEATA visibility. This is
what we're talking about, where we want high end tourists.

(35:39):
They're coming for one weekend. We're making a lot of money.
You're getting really good, you know, bucks out of it.
I don't know they could have come down here. We
would have welcomed them, I think with open arms. It
was just for a weekend. I'd be totally happy about that. Anyway.
We don't actually know whether they're playing, but everyone says
that they're playing, so we will wait and see until
all the footage is leaked. Hey, just one thing I

(36:01):
wanted to mention as we GOVI is going to become
available in New Zealand this week. It is the weight
loss version of the dive betes drug ozmpeck, which ozmpek
is available but only for diabetes. So now wegov is
going to be available. I think this is a really
good move, but I think the problem is it's not
going to be funded. So we want with GOV to
be used in a way that is going to help people,
you know, with all the kind of health issues that

(36:23):
they can have, the cardeact, the heart issues, the diabetes,
everything else that comes with being overweight. Unfortunately, though, a
lot of those people who have those issues are not
going to have six hundred dollars a month to pay
for the GOV to help them sort themselves out. I've
spoken to a cardiologist who said, do you know what
we would who works in heart transplants, who says it
would be a game changer if she could get her

(36:45):
patients on wegov, but once again, they're probably the kind
of people who cannot afford six hundred dollars a month.
So great it's available, but I think now we have
to really work out how to use it to have
an impact on our health system, to take the pressure
off our health system and benefit us all can to
hear your thoughts on that. You can text on ninety

(37:05):
two ninety two A lot of texts for real lotto.
Let me just say, no one really wants it to
change one person to text no cap filotto stopped deciding
for others. I'm pretty damn sure most of you who
would win would share the family and give to charity,
so it is being shared. Tired of everything being regulated,
but I think I can confirm that. Everybody else says no. Interesting.
A lot of you are saying, take away the two

(37:26):
draws a week, go back to one a week. You
don't need the Wednesday and the Saturday. Some of you
were saying, take out a powerball, make it easier for
more people to win less money. I mean, you're still
going to be a millionaire, but more regularly. So interesting,
you have all sort of thought about that, but I
don't see anyone hugely keen on the idea of making
it harder to win a lot more money. So thank

(37:48):
you very much for your feedback.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
It is five to ten the Sunday Session Full Show
podcast on my Heart Radio powered by News Talks Be.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Okay. So at some point Jimmy Reeves will have popped
up on your socials. The favorite videos of mind that
he does is the test to get into and at
a name place. Here's a bit of his The test
to get into Auckland spiel.

Speaker 15 (38:13):
Oh hey mate, Oh so you want to get into Auckland,
do you? We'll just answer these questions and you'll be
a winkering Sorry, you'll be on in no time. Oh thanks.
What's south of Bombay?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Who cares?

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Correct Auckland style? What from Sydney?

Speaker 15 (38:24):
It's traffic problem?

Speaker 5 (38:25):
Correct?

Speaker 15 (38:26):
When it rains in Auckland, Auckland does lose?

Speaker 5 (38:28):
What their ability to drive? Correct?

Speaker 15 (38:30):
What population is larger the population of China or the
population of traffic cones around Auckland traffic cones?

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Correct.

Speaker 15 (38:36):
Every Aucklander claims they live twenty minutes from the city.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Correct.

Speaker 15 (38:40):
If you live in West Auckland, you say you're from
actual Auckland.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Correct.

Speaker 15 (38:45):
When you're in any other place in the country, you
say you're from anywhere but Auckland.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Okay, so I do love twenty minutes from the city.
That's the way it rolls. Anyway, too good. Jimmy Rees
is with us to talk comedy and his tour after
the News. You're with News to Zibby.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Welcome to the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of great reeds used torse.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
It is seven past ten. Good to have you with us, right.
He is one of Australia's biggest names in comedy and
has over four million followers to prove it. Jimmy Rees
is a kid's TV host turned viral internet sensation. He's
responsible for the Made in America series The Yron Bays,
The Brighton Ladies, and I think most famously the guy
who decides.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Hello sir, Hello Jason.

Speaker 16 (39:47):
Put a little date on food that will go bad
to let people know when to eat it by it
so that don't get food points next.

Speaker 15 (39:54):
Okay, sir, that sounds important, So I'll put it in
a large font right on the front of the packet,
maybe in a high visibility color. So no one can
miss it.

Speaker 16 (40:02):
No, Jason put it in tiny writing in a spot
No won a level look.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Jimmy Ree's announced this week he is heading to New
Zealand for the first time with his real life tour.
He is with me from Ossie. Good morning to me.
Thank you so much for being with us, Thanks for
having me. Is this your first time touring in New Zealand?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
It will be?

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (40:25):
No, I've been to New Zealand a few times, but
no not for a show. So my management has always
been like, you need to go and do you know,
not just Australia, and I thought, well, New Zealand's perfect,
let's do that. So yeah, I'm really looking forward to it.
And you know, we've just gone with with Auckland for
now and if that goes well then maybe we might
be back next year to do some other other cities.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Is this so, is this your first show then out
of Australia as well?

Speaker 6 (40:51):
It is if you don't include Tasmania then yes, it
is the first of Australia.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
So where kind of like the Guinea Pigs.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
Oh you could say that, yeah, but I mean, isn't
that that's just beastice music in general? Isn't it. No,
I would say that, yes, So you're going to set
the tone for the rest of the world if I
go to other places. So you better show up and
we'd better laugh, and then I'll fill us with confidence
to go beyond Tasmania.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
In New Zealand, we can be a little bit of
a tough crowd, but we do warm up.

Speaker 6 (41:29):
Oh that's good, No, that's fine. Yeah, we've got heaps
of ins in store for the warming up. I think
we you know, at the moment we can all laugh
at other things collectively, like you know, America and stuff
like that. So there's plenty of that in the show.
Because it's the.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Really interesting thing that you're hugely popular, but about forty
percent of your followers are outside OZ. So I would
have thought, Jimmy, it's about time you kind of wink
global with the tour.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
I know, right, Yeah, I guess it's just a bit
nerve wracking, you know, because you know, Australia is big,
but also we have some very concentrated cities, you know,
like the land mass is enormous, but you knows, most
of us split in Sydney and Melbourne and Brisbane, you know,
so it's it's kind of condensed in a way.

Speaker 10 (42:12):
You know.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
Then you think go to America or for even the UK,
there's like there's twice the amount of four times ten
times the amount of people in these places, and you think,
where do I go. I'm not sure where to go,
what to do? Seems like a lot, but it's also
spread out a lot across the world. So that's why I'm.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Just I'll just go to aalkland. That's easy. Yeah, yeah,
I don't like it. I can leave really quickly and
I'll be home in no times. It works well. So
obviously we haven't seen one of your live shows. What
can we expect.

Speaker 6 (42:48):
Well, it's kind of bringing to life what people see
on wirine, right, and which proves difficult because a a
lot of those videos have seven thousand characters in them,
are very quickly cut together and doing that on stage
is a challenge. But we may we make it work,
you know. So yeah, it's kind of like a lot
of people, you know, they want to see your lives.

(43:11):
I want to see different things and and in the
in the past, when I first launched a tour off
the back of you know, a few years of COVID
and all that people were really really wanted to get
out and you know, and see what I'm doing live,
and I'm kind of like, well, how do I bring
this to the stage. But the characters and the difference
gets they translate pretty well actually, and there's always the

(43:33):
bizarre like how is he going to do this?

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Why?

Speaker 10 (43:36):
How?

Speaker 6 (43:36):
So there's a bit of like some screens and you know,
a bit of multimedia going on to make it all work.
But it's it's a lot of fun, you know. So
it's a bit of everything you kind of see and
love from online.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
It's their lives, it's all.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
It's a bit chaotic and there's a bit of everything.
And I like to keep things topical as well. So
something crazy has gone on in America. Hopefully it'll be
in there in the show, even if it's a couple
of weeks before.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Yeah, Because I've been to view quite a few comedians
and there seems to be two types. The type that
write the show early and refine it, you know, as
they're performing, and then the ones that kind of leave
it to the last minute.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
Well it's kind of I guess it's a little from
Colum A, a little from Colum B. Because I've got
these sort of structures, right, and these little formats which
I put out online, you know, like I've got this
video you know, past the test, be that past the
TESTI from, or you know, to get into Auckland, and
there's all these different The guy who decides and Jason
have this sort of duo together, and so I can
I can. I know, I want to put that on stage.

(44:33):
So I'll have a segment with those guys in there,
but I don't know what to put in there yet.
So it's kind of a little bit of both. I'll
have these sort of segments which are which will be
a form part of the show, but then the actual
content and what they're talking about sometimes leaves it a
little bit later because I want it to be topical
and fresh, and if something's going well online in between
now and when the show starts, I'm like, I think

(44:55):
I'll have to put that in. I started doing this
once a few years ago, had already announced two, I
had all the show written, all everything to go, ready
to go. I started producing these videos like pov or
from you know, Auckland would be like all the things
you would buy if you went to a store that
sold Auckland things anyway, it was a little kind of thing.
They went really well. I was like, I think I
have to put this to the show. So here's me
last minute in every city going oh my god, what

(45:19):
have I done to myself?

Speaker 3 (45:20):
But does that also make it more interesting and stimulating
for you that you're trying to keep it topical and fresh?

Speaker 6 (45:27):
Yeah, for sure, absolutely, No. I love that. You know,
when you go up on stage and there's something that's
happened that week, that day, it's it's kind of exhilarating
as well, and see how and you can't test it out,
you know, you just have to go there and trust
it and go for it. That's why I think, you know,
if it if the contents fed through some of these

(45:47):
characters and different formats that I've got going online and
then kind of fits perfectly in it's and it's a
little easier to sort of to ride in there. But no,
it's it's it's good fun and it is it is
kind of wild and every show is different, you know, Yeah,
which which is which keeps keeps the creative juices flowing
and hofully people enjoying it.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
You started out in kids TV as Jimmy Giggle on
ABC's Giggle and Hoot, which was massive. I mean, that
was around for about a decade, wasn't it, And you
were touring with that. A lot didn't get reviewed in
twenty nineteen. I'm sure that that was pretty hard at
the time. But in hindsight, was that time in quite good.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
It was kind of the best timing. Really. Yeah, I
know in hindsight, but it's funny because you know, after
about six or seven years, I was kind of like, well, look,
maybe we should start looking for something else. I've done
this for a while. Now I'd like to achieve some
other things other than kids TV. And then we had twins. Well,
we had started having kids and we had in twenty nineteen,
we actually had twins, and I was like, oh, maybe

(46:47):
this is a pretty cushy job. Actually, maybe I could
do this for a few more years, just to get
through the hard years of having three kids under five.
And then all of a sudden they're like, no, gone.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
I was like, oh damn so.

Speaker 6 (47:00):
But then yeah, look, COVID rolls around in twenty twenty.
It was my chance to then put all this creative
up online and that doing my own to get things
like that, and things went from you know, a couple
of million people just started following me, and all sorts
of stuff happened, and yeah, it was it was actually
a bit crazy. I just tried to keep the momentum going,
you know, like you had people's attention if you're making

(47:22):
content through that time, particularly and if you were topical,
then then people were loving it. So I just sort
of and then it just grew from there and it
kept going and going and going. And I do remember
there was at least meanwhile in Australia series which New
Zealand featured in a lot, to be honest, which was, yes,
let's see what's happening across the ditch, because you guys
seemingly sometimes just had it all together and we did not,

(47:45):
And then it would flip around the other way and like,
what is going on in the world, what's yeah I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Now it's all sounding vaguely familiar. Hey, how quickly were
you able to make this a full time job?

Speaker 6 (47:58):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (47:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (47:59):
I think that was actually something I have to give
my wife credit for, because I saw the power in
it really early on, actually probably early twenty twenty. Really,
I started making a few videos, amazing some parenting videos.
You know that was my last end three your twins,
who had not even one. Just our life was crazy
being in Victoria as well. We were stuck inside for

(48:21):
a long time. And then I had some really great
traction on some Facebook and Instagram videos and TikTok was
going flying at them at that time, and I thought,
I think this is I think this is my ticket.
I'd love to keep doing this. And I said to
my wife, I was like, I think I kind of
got to make a video every day. Every day, Yeah,
every day, And so it quickly became a full time thing.

(48:43):
I would record a video and then it'd be dad
for a bit, and then at nighttime I'd stay up
and edit it all and then post it. And yeah,
so which we've paid off in the end because then
a few sponsorship things, you know, we can make some
make some money and pay the bills that sort of
come through, and then you can start monetizing YouTube channels
and things like that. So it was it was a
big call from her as well, because you had to

(49:05):
look after the kid, which was absolutely crazy at the time.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Good on you for acknowledging you know, a little bit
of help.

Speaker 6 (49:14):
It's a team effort.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, would.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
You go back. Do you get offers to go back
to TV? I mean would you considering the way people
sort of consume content these days.

Speaker 6 (49:25):
Well, it's an interesting thought.

Speaker 13 (49:27):
You know.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
I did the last time I was in New Zealand.
Actually it was for the Aussie series of task Master,
which picked all the boxes.

Speaker 11 (49:33):
You know.

Speaker 6 (49:33):
I think you get to a point, you know, if
you've got an online you know, presence like I do,
and I get offered to go on random reality shows
a lot, and some of them are like, oh yeah, cool,
maybe not I'll have to say no respectively. But the
task Master was perfect, so that that kind of stuff
is is it was. It was so much fun that

(49:54):
the Aussie series is shot in New Zealand and it
was a lot of fun. But yeah, look, I don't know,
it's such a different landscape now, you know, to have
a job ten years in television like I did at
that time was like even people in the what's two
thousand and nine I start it, They're like, well that's crazy.
Now if you said that, people will be like that
is impossible. So it's kind of an interesting I think

(50:19):
a lot of TV networks are actually trying to go
the other way around? Are they They'd love to have
what I've got online. So it's kind of a tricky situation.
But there is this prestige to television. There is a
bit more like it's a bit more premium and it
has a bit more seemingly a bit more of a budget,
and they and they spend a bit more money. It
all looks very nice. So I do love that aspect

(50:40):
of television as well.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
So who knows where how do you come up with
your characters? I think probably one of the really well
known ones here in New Zealand is probably the guy
who decides, But you've recently added, of course Donald Trump
and Elon Musk that was probably was that an obvious move?
But what about some of the other characters?

Speaker 6 (50:57):
Yeah, yeah, I know, right. I mean it's just sometimes
I just sort of think, you know that people say, oh,
it's it's a no brainer, but I just think the
contrast is so funny. You know, like a lot of
the time people, you know, a lot of the Americans
who might be on that particular side of politics and

(51:18):
be like that that's just silly, you know, And there's
all negative comments, but I'm like, I'm really just regurgitating
what's happened, and it's kind of that's just what's happening,
And it's kind of funny when you take a long
whin but coming up with things. Look, I had these
characters through COVID, which I dig out every now and again,
would call these two affluent ladies who live in an
affluent area in Victoria, Brighton Darlings, and they were going

(51:41):
through the trouble of you know, this is the kind
of area which which they would you know, they're always
trying to keep up their appearance, starting by having some
botox and you know and whatever. And they were having
a bit of a crisis because at the time, the
only vaccine you could get is you had to declare
really that you're over fifty five, and they did not
want to do that, so they all wanted a different one.

(52:03):
So someone actually sent me this conundrum, and I thought
it's a perfect mus for a bunch of characters who
are just like all trying to get something in their
favor because they don't want to reveal their age, so
they come from everywhere, you know. I had this recently.
I just I've only made a couple of little videos
so far, but I thought it's funny for a kid
to investigate something, you know, we had We've recently had

(52:25):
an election here and there's election signs absolutely everywhere, just
signs win elections. So I thought it would be funny
to look at through the lens of a teenage boy
who's going around just going like.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
What is with these signs and whatever?

Speaker 6 (52:36):
So, I don't know, inspiration comes from just about everywhere.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
You would all concerned about making Trump one of your
characters and then trying to get into the US to
tour at some point.

Speaker 6 (52:48):
Oh, it does seem like that at the moment, doesn't it.
You know, But I will say that, you know, I
do own one of the red hats, so maybe I'll
need to go on the offensive and just at the
charm offensive, I might add, and just put on the
hat and be like, no, nah, I love the guy, know,
just to get through the gates.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
It's comedy.

Speaker 6 (53:09):
I don't like my chances.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Jimmy, really nice to talk to you. Can't wait for
you to get to New Zealand and see the show live.

Speaker 6 (53:17):
Thank you so much. So I'm looking forward to be
getting over there.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
That was online viral sensation and comedian Jimmy Rees. Jimmy
is coming to Auckland with his in Real Life a
tour for one night only Friday, the fifth of December.
Tickets gone sale tomorrow. Head to Frontier Touring dot com
for more details. But we also have one double pass
to give away to the show. To enter, you need
to text your full name, your email, your address, your

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what about you? Just text your full name, your address
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We played a clip at the start of this interview.
It was one of Jimmy's most famous segments, what was

(54:03):
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man who Oh no, I won't tell you anymore. You'll remember.
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Thought, but Lord to kick us off and our entertainment
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five Glastonbury Festival this weekend with a surprise pre lunch set.
She was on the Woodsy stage and they had to
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(55:52):
even though she played the new album from beginning to end,
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the way you have the best response from the crowd.
She didn't. She played new music. Everyone loved it, but
she's thrown a little bit of green and ribs at
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(56:14):
Steve Neil. It reflects dot cod and Z joins us now,
good morning.

Speaker 17 (56:18):
Good morning. I've been up bright and early watching about
a Glastow myself via a BBC iPlayer.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Fantastic and.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
We're look good.

Speaker 17 (56:27):
The set that I really enjoyed today from afternoon time
UK time was a Pulp taking the stage at Glastow
thirty years and four days after their iconic performance that
kind of catapulted them to a new status as a band.
They got called up like days out from the festival

(56:50):
thirty years ago to play the main stage after the
Stone Rose was pulled out and the performance of common
People was becoming iconic at that event. So it's great
to see a maybe more bedraggled, equally captivating pulp today.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
I'm just laughing at my because I'm so old. The
first thing I say is the weather looks good. That's
the thing that that's the thing that really Mass festival.
Thank goodness, the sun is joinning and we're not drapsing
through mud. Anyway, Let's move on. Let's talk about the
International Film Festival because very soon the program is going
to be released. Very soon, we're going to be immersing
ourselves and some wonderful films. What's kind of on offer?

Speaker 17 (57:26):
Yeah, well, here in Auckland, we are about a month
away from the festival kicks off here on the thirty
first of July and we'll make its way around the
country through into September. The full program is about a
week away and tickets will go on sale immediately when
that happens. But they have announced a chunk of stuff
from the program, so it's good to i think, get
some of these centerpiece films in mind, or things that

(57:48):
are maybe some of the must sees before we dine
out on the whole program. On the local front, among
the strong selection of Kiwi offerings, some things that stand
out to me are anchor Me The Don the Glashan
story of Shirley Horrocks has made a documentary about Mutton
Bird's frontman and musical Wall's favorite dom Aglashan. Simon Oxten's

(58:08):
made a film called kai Koe, Blood and Fire, which
follows a bunch of Mma style fighters in kai Koe
dreaming of world domination from a very small gymnasium. There's
also Margaret Gordon's Life in One Cord, which is a
documentary on Strait Jacker Fitz Shane Carter, and Chelsea win
Stanley makes her directorial debut with Toy two Visual Sovereignty.

(58:31):
I'll also very very keen to see The Weed Eaters
by Callum Devlin, the synopsis of which is four slack
of friends on a rural New Year's getaway stumble across
their reclusive host's deadly stash, a killer strain of weed
that makes unsuspecting stoner's crave human flesh.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Okay, sounds great into it.

Speaker 17 (58:52):
On the international front, there is a couple of anniversaries
being celebrated this year at the Film Festival. Galen Preston
has a new film, Grace A Prayer for Peace. But
also there's the thirtieth anniversary of her superb War Stories
Our Mothers Never Told and maybe more in line with
the Weed Eaters, Toby Hooper's The Texas Chainsaw Massacre is playing.

(59:13):
Are now fifty years old and still holding up really
really well. From the international festival circuit, a bunch of
highlights in place already. The opening night film has been announced.
It was the Palm Door winner from can It Was
Just an Accident. The closing night film Joaquim Trea's Sentimental Value.
He's a director of the Worst Person in the World.

(59:35):
It was one of the many artists that Charlie XCX
is handing Brat's summer over to, according to the end
video of her performances. There's also a new film from
Kelly Reichhart, The Mastermind, a new Richard Linklader Knew, David Cronenberg,
a bunch of stuff to.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Allo recognizable names that we love to see at a festival.

Speaker 17 (59:53):
Yeah, absolutely, and having had a little peek at the program,
there are a number of other treats. Loitering in there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Also fantastic, and look, as we get nearer the time,
we can cover off of maybe some of the hidden
gems in there as well. It might not be so obvious. Hey,
what have you been watching this week?

Speaker 17 (01:00:09):
This week I headed down to my local multiplex to
see a film that is billtom technology and sort of
the pinnacle of human engineering to rev up the adrenaline
as much as possible. Building on an old favorite, and
I'm not talking about Brad pitt an f one. I'm
talking about Megan two point zero, which I had a

(01:00:29):
very enjoyable experience watching. It's the follow up to keyw
director Gerard Johnston's Killer Robot film from a few years ago,
or maybe Killer Companion, This story of a kind of
a young child's companion become a psychotic robot. This sequel
sees the sort of horror comedy change lands a bit

(01:00:51):
to be more of an outright sort of action sci
fi comedy. A lot to enjoy about this film, not
least of which is seeing Auckland playing a backdrop to
an American city. It's such a parochial New Zealand thing
to identify New Zealand on screen, but goddamn it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
It's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I love it. Thank you so much. And that's on
it all okay, brilliant, Thank you so much, Steve. And look,
if it's miserable, whether we you are. Yesterday, I tucked
into the Bear. Season four, I'm gonna be honest, didn't
finish season three. It lost me. Wasn't interested at all.
If you were like me and you've walked away from
the Bear, go back. You don't need to finish season three.

(01:01:27):
Season four is gorgeous. It's all about family. It's softer,
it's a little bit ponderous at times, but it is funny.
It'll make you laugh, it will make you cry. They're
back in good form, so give it another go and
don't forget that. After eleven, we go behind the scenes
of the new Banksy exhibit which is coming to New Zealand,
and he has some very interesting stories about the artist.
Next time, Michelle Dickinson is with us with her Science

(01:01:50):
Study of the Week. It is twenty seven to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at b.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Doctor Michelle Dickinson joins us. Now, good morning, Okay, science
study of the work, because a really interesting one which
I think would be used for good, but also very
lazy people tell me about that.

Speaker 18 (01:02:17):
So these scientists is a new study published in the
journal Cell and they basically had these scientists who studied
for six years people thirteen healthy volunteers, and they made
them exercise for six years straight basically, and during this
time they put them through different exercise programs and they
really tracked their bodies and what their body's were doing.

(01:02:37):
Usually when you look at exercise studies, they're looking at
things like, you know, metabolism or heart rate or like
things to do with physical activity. But in this study,
it was really detailed. They collected data on their genes,
did their genes change, proteins and metabolism, did their gut
bacteria change, did any of their immune cells change?

Speaker 11 (01:02:54):
Like?

Speaker 18 (01:02:54):
It was a very detailed, high data study. And what
they found is what we know, which is when you
start exercising, it totally stresses your body out, so your
inflammation happens, you get metabotic overloaded, and it's why you
feel when you start exposing. It's why you feel like
you're dying because your body is shutting down. But if
you continue exercising, your body learns to recover and it

(01:03:15):
adapts and it can build and it emerges stronger and
more balanced. And we know that exercise can help us
fight the signs of aging. And that's not just the
physical signs of aging by building muscle, but also the
cellular signs of aging. So as they're studying this are like,
what is the thing, Like, where does the exercise benefit
come from? Like, we know exercise is good for you,

(01:03:35):
but what's happening. What they found, surprisingly is the command
center for your exercise benefit is actually in your kidneys.
Now this is not what they're expecting, but your kidneys
actually release something called btane, and btane they found blocks
a key inflammation switch. It's called TBK one. And this

(01:03:58):
natural molecule, which is produced by our kidneys is a
powerful exercise mimetic. So what they found is the more
you exercise, the more bet you're producing. And they're like,
this beating's weird, let's look at it. And so they said, well,
let's take this beatine molecule and feed it to rats
before we feed it to humans and see what's going on.
So they put it into rats and these rats are

(01:04:19):
sedentary rats. Some of them are depressed because they're in
a cage with nothing to do. And they found when
they gave them these betane supplements number one, their immune
cells looked and acted younger, their inflammation dropped significantly, their
physical coordination they were much more coordinated, and I don't
know how you measure this in rets, but their depression
signs faded. Basically all of the benefits of exercise they

(01:04:41):
were able to show physically and mentally just by giving
these mice betane. And then they went hold on, Bataane
is the thing here that is helping people. The benefits
of exercise are coming from this molecule called beatane. Now
not all of the benefits obviously, like increasing muscle mass
and those things that you get from lifting weights obviously
not but some of the cellular benefits, the anti aging

(01:05:03):
benefits you get from exercise, you can get from this molecule.
And what's called is this molecule. We already know it's
FDA approved and is safe in humans because it's been
a proof for other enzyme challenges. So they've gone cool.
Next study is we're going to put it into humans
and see if you can get all of the benefits
of exercising in a pill. Not for lazy people. I

(01:05:23):
know you're also down their couch. Go yeah great, I
after you're to dim. But for people who maybe can't exercise,
so you've got an injury if you're bad ridden, and
we know that if you are bad ridden you've got
huge challenges around some of the effects. Can we now
give you a pill? So basically exercising in a pill.
Thanks to these lovely people who basically ran for six years,
the study could happen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
It's wonderful. Thank you so much. Where can we read
the study? Sal the Journal's okay, brilliant, Thank you so much.
Michelle and Lock. Just talking about weight loss, I mentioned
with gov be for the news. A lot of ticks
coming in about that. Someone said have you looked at
the side fix of it? And somebody else texts to say,
we're gov sounds amazing. However, seventy percent of people gain
the weight again end up in hospital and testinal side effects.

(01:06:05):
It's not the glory answered away loss. I did a
really fascinating podcast, The Little Things with Professor Jeremy Krebs.
It's absolutely worth the listen. He takes you through. He
explains what all these Semaglue tide drugs are, how they work,
the research on it. He too says that we don't
have enough research on it to know what will happen
long term. But if you want to get your head

(01:06:25):
around what they are, how they work, the pros and cons,
seriously recommend you have a listen to the podcast. He's
fantastic at explaining it all. And I agree with you.
We shouldn't be handing out everyone just because you want
to lose five kgs and you can't be bother doing it. No,
you shouldn't be able to get with GOV. And they're
going to put restrictions in place so you can't. It
really should be used for people who seriously need help

(01:06:45):
with obesity. Thank you for the texts. It is twenty to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Eleven the Sunday Session Full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
by News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
FB Resident chef Mike vander Ellson is with us. Now,
Good morning, Good morning. So we've got school holidays, we've
got terrible crappy weather. The best thing to do with
the kids put them in the kitchen, right.

Speaker 19 (01:07:10):
It always happens, doesn't it. Holidays come and the weather
too are customed. Yeah, if you're down in the South
only go skiing. It's it's not a lot of snow
in Auckland.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
It's not. It's very tedious the gray days and the
rain and things. But look we're not flooded, so I
am grateful for that.

Speaker 19 (01:07:29):
Mike absolutely, absolutely yes, get them in the kitchen cooking
is what I say.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Yeah, No, I completely agree, although I my daughter did
some maids and pastries on Friday night and the bomb
site that was my kitchen on Saturday morning did make
me just kind of pause a little bit there. I mean,
she gets around cleaning it up in the end, but
my goodness, that's got to be part of the process, right,
You've got to teach them well to clean up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Yeah, and that's it.

Speaker 19 (01:07:56):
And like as I feel as you get older, as
you cook more, and I certainly feel that myself, Like
if I'm cooking at the house, I'm cleaning as I'm going.
And it's just it's just becoming like when you first
start to go into the kitchen, you make sure that
the kitchen is clean. Where some people will go into
the kitchen the kitchen is already bomb site before they starts.

(01:08:18):
I don't know, it's teaching it a few things clean
as you go, kind of fill the dish washer as
you're going, so when you get to the end, it's done.
You're not having this big pile of dishes to go to.
So I was thinking to what recipes I could do
for the little munchkins and keeping them busy and something
that they would want to have themselves, and so I thought,
I thought of cupcakes, because cupcakes are great. They can

(01:08:40):
decorate them in different ways. And which kid you know
or which kid doesn't like a cupcake? And then I
was like changing out, I need to put something in there.
So I thought it would just make a carrot cupcake.
So this is a this is a great little recipe.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Almost sounds healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Almost. You could go carrots. You could also go.

Speaker 19 (01:08:58):
I've made this recipe before with pumpkin instead of carrots,
and you've got a pumpkin pumpkin lurking around, treat it
in the same way. So this makes this will probably
make about eight to probably a dozen cupcakes, depending on
the size. So to start them off, you know, give
them this recipe. You can stand by them, you can

(01:09:18):
stand back, you can sit on the kitchen bench and.

Speaker 6 (01:09:20):
Watch them do it.

Speaker 19 (01:09:21):
There's nothing too dangerous around this recipe. So turn the
oven one one hundred and ninety degrees and then into
a bowl. Get them to combine three quarters of a
cup of three quarters of a cup of plain flour,
a teaspoon of baking powder, teaspoon of cinnamon, teaspoon of
baking soda, and half a cup of raw sugar. Get
them to mix that in one bowl. And then what

(01:09:44):
you want to do is add in the egg. So
I've just got two eggs, so they can crack in
two eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
And half a cup of vegetable oil.

Speaker 19 (01:09:50):
And what the vegetable oil does is keeps the end
result nice and moist. Get them to mix that through.
They can just use a wooden spowl for a wooden
spoon for that. And then you want to add two
cups of the grated carrots, half a cup. I've got
chopped nuts, you know. This could be walnuts, could be
hazel nuts, could be almonds, and two tablespoons or probably
about a quarter of a.

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
Cup of raisins.

Speaker 19 (01:10:10):
You can increase those if you want a half cup,
and they could also be cranberries or sultanas. Give that
a good mix through and what you end up with
is quite a loose sort of a mix a cake mix.
Take some muffin tins or cupcake molds. Put your little
cupcake trays in there. Just grease them really well first
and then add in your cupcake mix into those molds.

(01:10:34):
Divide them out to how many you've got, and you
want them to be about three quarters three quarters to
fire them into an ab and it's a reasonbube hot
oven one hundred and ninety degrees there and take about
twenty to twenty five minutes. Pull them out when you can,
put a nice little skill through them and they come
out nice and cleanly. Take them out after that, fold
them like, put them out onto a wire rack, just
to cool them down.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
A little bit.

Speaker 19 (01:10:55):
They're going to be hot little munchkins, those guys, and
just let them cool down before you go to ice them.
The icing is easy, peasy into a bowl one hundred
grads of cream cheese. Just soften that with the back
of a spoon. Add in a tablespoon off soften butter,
the juice of a lemon, and half a cup of
icing sugar. Give that a good little mix. You can
add food colorings into that. You can go red, go green, yellow, purple,

(01:11:18):
go black, whatever you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Want to do.

Speaker 19 (01:11:19):
Add in your food coloring at this stage, and then
you can either pipe that on to the top of
your cupcakes or you can just spin it on, spread
it out with like a little wet spachelor, and then
they can garnishit themselves and go hard. They can go
those you know those little silver balls that kind of
break your teeth, You could go those. Those are great.
Sunflower seeds, coconut shaved chocolate, anything really anything, hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
And don't blame me when you end up at the
emergency dentists winking. I love it, Mike, thanks so much,
really appreciate your time. This morning. You can grab that
recipe from Good from Scratch dot cod it in zid,
or you'll be able to hit to Newstorg zib dot
co dot in zi food slash Sunday. We will get
that recipe up for you throughout the morning. Right do
you get to the end of the day, you're really tired,
you lie down, you're desperate to go to sleep, and

(01:12:02):
the minute you lie down, the brain starts whirling with
a whole lot of work issues and things like that.
It's so frustrating, isn't it. Erin is going to give
us some tips to deal with stress and sleep. Next,
it is twelve to eleven Grab to cover.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkint and Wig calls
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Natural path Aaron Ohara joins us now for a well
in the segment, good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 10 (01:12:28):
You've got a really.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Interesting topic today you're talking. You were just telling me
about how just recently you've seen a lot of people
coming into your practice telling you that you know, they
have their dinner and they sit down and they start
working and they've got a lot of work that they've
got to finish, and then they go to sleep, got
to go to bed, and they can't sleep.

Speaker 20 (01:12:45):
Yeah, this has become the common thing that I see
in the clinic, and for women and men. I see
quite a lot of men in the clinic as well.
And they'll be working during the day, they have dinner
and then they're like, I've got more work to do,
So they set up and work into the evening and
they try and work literally until they can't work any
longer because they're so tired. And then they get in

(01:13:06):
be and they can't sleep, and then they wake up
in the night thinking about work, which is obvious, and
then they can't get back to sleep. And then the
more they kind of keep the cycle going, the more
exhausted they get, and then the more stress they get,
and it creates this negative feedback loop of not looking
after your health.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
And can you tell them, can you say to them,
do you have to do the work? Because they're going
to say you, yeah, I need to do work.

Speaker 20 (01:13:28):
Yes, That is usually the conversation we have, and we
usually have in depth conversations about working into the evening.
They're like, oh, no, I have to work because I
have to get stuff done and it's my best time
I don't get interrupted. And then we have usually a
discussion about, you know, how to get a good sleep
rhythm that's not going to interrupt your sleep quality. And
usually my suggestion around this is getting to bed earlier,

(01:13:52):
which means, yes, you won't get your work done in
the evening and not working right up until you go
to bed. So trying to kind of get your work
done even if you are having to work a little
bit into the evening, still having a good two hours
between working on your com and going to bed and
then using going to bed earlier than you would because
if you've stayed up till one or two o'clock in

(01:14:13):
the morning, which is something I do actually see, then
you're actually moving your bedtime earlier and instead getting a
good quality sleep. Because you've gone to bed earlier, You've
actually had that little window of like resting your brain,
getting in some good sleep habits, getting the quality sleep,
and then waking up early and actually having that uninterrupted

(01:14:34):
worktime early hours in the morning because that is actually
the time that quartersole, which is your stress woman but
also your energy hormone, starts to rise.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
You're kind of working with.

Speaker 20 (01:14:43):
The natural flows of quartersole rhythm and malatonin, which means
you'll get better quality sleep at night. But also you're
kind of then just starting the day earlier and you'll
actually flow into the day fairly fresher. Yeah, you'll feel fresher.
The only thing that you know some people will comment
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Right, Michelle Bursma is with us next he is the
producer and curator of a new Banksy exhibit. It's coming
to Auckland on July fifth. Michelle knows Banksy, he has
worked alongside him to bring this exhibit to light. He's
gonna tell us a few stories about this very mysterious
artist because of course no one knows who he is,
so we're going to talk about his art, his legacy,

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He's one of the world's most famous artists. He has
a huge global following, including list of celebrities, but his
identity remains unknown. Banks he first appeared in the early
nineties spray painting his stenciled designs on the streets of Bristol.
He's now an anonymous celebrity, with exhibitions of his work
selling out all over the world. The Art of Banksy

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is the largest collection of original and authenticated Banksy's work
and it's head into Auckland. Producer and curator of the exhibit,
Michelle Bosma knows Banksy personally and he joins me now,
good morning, Michelle, Hi, good morning. You've dealt with Banksy
in your role as producing and curating this exhibition from

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the dealings you've had.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
What is he like?

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
How much can you tell us about this elusive figure?

Speaker 5 (01:19:23):
So that's like the work that he creates. He's a
multifested person. In general, he can be very grumpy. That's
also what you hear from the people that worked with him.
He's passionate about his work, which sometimes is difficult when
you do an exhibition like this, because Banksy himself can't

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do a best of exhibition, which is what the art
of banks he is. We've got one hundred and sixty works,
which is an overview of his whole career, and he
as an artist can't do that. It's not like the
Rolling Stones until a dying day. They can do the
biggest hits. He needs to do something new every single time.
There's a duality here, which he doesn't like. But what

(01:20:08):
he does appreciate, I believe is that we are completely authenticated.
So he can be grumpy. It depends on when you
when you catch him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Obviously a very talented answer, but he must also be
a pretty astute businessman to have created what he has.
Do you think.

Speaker 11 (01:20:30):
For me?

Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
That's the duality of that duality is very interesting because
people have this view of Banksy as a sort of
Robin Hood figure in general. If you talk like we've
done this in ninety cities around the world in general,
you get this whole like Robin Hood kind of thing.
We are dealing with collectors and collectors who buy art

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often direct from Banksy, art that he's created to sell,
to sell for his own lifestyle, but also for to
create the art that he's creating, and create the art
that's free in the street, the street art, and people
they don't like to see that. They don't like to
see that. That duality, and sometimes I have to laugh

(01:21:16):
about it. Sometimes it's very frustrating because there is there
is there's a commerciality to what he does, and it's
behind the scenes people, and like I wish, like one day,
I wish I could tell the whole story, and you can't.
You can't.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
What is the magic of Banksy? Do you think what
makes them so popular?

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
I think the accessibility. It's it's you see it, and
you can see the humor. There's humor there that's very important.
You don't have to stand there for ten minutes and
look very wise and and and stroke your beard and
go like, oh, yeah, do you see it? And then
therefore he goes like yeah, I can see this too.
That's not the case with Banksy. Although some people interpret

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like go the balloon ten different put ten people next
to each other that they have and a explanation, but
in general, his message is very clear. And that's what
I like with Banksy. It's like it attracts an audience
which is a mix of people that go to galleries
and exhibitions, but a large part of our audience doesn't,

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is not attracted to go to a museum, but they
will go to a Banksy exhibition. And it's the accessibility.
I think, it's not making you feel stupid and sometimes
art like when you have to stand there ten minutes
and then look at Charlie Gollagin, you understand it, right,
that's not with Banksy and the humor I love like

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I love watching the audience. And the first time we
went to Auckland in twenty eighteen with a way smaller collection,
different curation. One of my favorite anecdotes of doing it
over the years was Auckland because we had these three
other ladies standing there and they were looking at they
were looking at a piece, and they're going through the exhibition,

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and my social producer she asked them at the end,
did you enjoy it? Yes? Yes, what was your favorite piece?
And then they started looking at each other and giggling,
and one of them said, and these are ladies in
their seventies eighties, And they look at my assistant and
she goes like, I loved Queen Victoria sitting on someone's face,

(01:23:30):
and what exhibition has that, but I think it's that Yeah,
it's for yeah, it's it's it's always with a with
a with a bit of a wing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
How central to the success, you know, to Banksy's success
is due to the fact that we don't know who
he is?

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
Oh, I think it's I think it's It's very important.
And there's all this discussion of it is it this person?
Is it that person? Is this band or that band?
And I spoke with it with ajournalists who actually out
at Banksy and because that's the thing, and especially in

(01:24:11):
the UK, every eight weeks there's a new is this Banksy?
And she added it and she worked a year on it,
and last year I spoke with her for an article
and the follow up artic Girl she was doing says,
how is this possible? People are not picking it up?
And I like, like, nobody wants to know who the
Wizard of Os is? You don't I know? And like,

(01:24:35):
like sometimes people ask me when I walk in the
exhibition when we open and you've got like people walking around,
and then you give them some anecdotes and do you
know who Banksy is? Can you tell me? And then
I always ask them. It's like do you really want
to know? And then they shy away because it takes
away if you know it's Johnny or whoever. But it's like,

(01:24:56):
it's it's it's it's not having a face, not having
a person, not knowing that he washes his car on
a Sunday. It's like it's it's it's perfect. Because now
after you've gone through the exhibition, that's the nice thing
when you then ask people, so, who do you think
Banks is? They all colored it in differently, but they

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have much more information. And that's what I like with
what we do with the exhibition is it's such a
breath of work. We've got like the original flower Thrower,
which I also didn't know when until we've stumbled on
this was created seven years before you and I knew
about flower Thrower, and it was created as a Valentine's

(01:25:38):
Day gift for then girlfriend and on the back is
a message and there's a whole story about that one.
And when you talk to her, and we've got we've
got her in the in the in the exhibition on video,
but if you talk with her, it's like, it's amazing
because we discovered.

Speaker 9 (01:25:53):
When we were in London that it is not the
only version he made. Oh yeah, there's always a surprise
around the corner With Banksy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
I think that's so intriguing that his name is one
of the one of the names that has been mentioned
as to who is actually correct. And yet you're right,
no one, no one. We're quite happy to live in
the fantasy of.

Speaker 5 (01:26:21):
It all and and and and and and that's the thing.
It's like, if if he would go out and say
I'm Banksy, I think everybody would put there as to
their ears and go like, I don't want to hear
because it's you don't want it. You don't want it?

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Do you think?

Speaker 6 (01:26:41):
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Also, if we did all know who he was, it
would impact the value.

Speaker 24 (01:26:45):
Of his art.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
That's a difficult question. I might The thing is the
art world, Like I am coming from a theater background,
and we I got into this it was now nine
years ago, and I have to say the art world
is absolutely like la la if there's an auction that

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we work with with with collectors, and luckily over the
years in the in the beginning we have the old
we had these collectors which were these hardcore like investment
and not very pleasant people. Now we've whittled it down
to people who are in a way passionate about Banksy,
who buy direct from banks, or have bought direct from
banks in the beginning. I bought they when Banksy did

(01:27:34):
wasn't anything. I've got people like who are actually buying
our most expensive pieces in the exhibition. They bought for
three hundred and fifty pounds. They are now multimillion pounds.
They and they said no to to another piece which
was offered, which is in the exhibition, now owned by

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someone else, and they said no, I already spent three
fifty and like and that is even more worth. But
so we've got people there who are passionate about banks
and then it's very nice. But I like when when
there's an auction and there's a record price and then
suddenly my my email boxes is full the next day

(01:28:16):
of collectors going like, oh, we have to raise the
insurance price, and like based on what because one thing
just someone would do on is it's and try to
explain that to to to to to insurers. That's that's funny,
that's that's yeah. It's it's a it's a it's an
interesting one. We should do a play about banks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
And the.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
Artwork you have is as you mentioned, loan by private collectors.
This is art. As you said that Banks he sells.
How different is that to the work that we do
see on the street.

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
It's very different because on the street you see a
version of it, and then there's various versions that he
does when he makes prints or when he makes uniques.
And the thing is that that we've been working together
with Banks is printer Ben im and who has been
doing the print. So when you buy a print, it's

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not Banks he doing the print. He signs it, he
changes it, he does things with it, but the basic
print is and Ben is a big artist himself, and
he met Bens and Benksi was in a way a
little bit of a fanboy when he met Ben because
he was a street artist. He does these beautiful letters
in Soho and he gave us hand drawn sketches. So

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what we have in the exhibition is everybody knows to
go with balloon Flying, which is on the wall in Israel,
But what nobody knew is that they went on a
reki to Israel and they did a sketch of what
that work should become. And we have a photograph of
it next to it next to the hand drawn sketch.

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But they made it and then they do they had
to wait for the plane on Ben Gurion Airport, so
on the other side of it. And if you look,
if you go to the exhibition, if you look carefully
and see it on the through the paper, banks he
drew Ben I with a sunburn and it says ben

(01:30:15):
Goo Airport with the with with the day there with sunburn,
and there's this shading on Ben and Ben is one
of those pasty pomps. And but you can see it
through the page. And and that's the nice thing of
having having this collection is like we've got these these
these works which are you don't see on the street

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and you don't even know exists because he does do sketches.
We have a whole red section with with and and
the other thing which I like is but people don't
know if you work with Banksy, then he does thank
you Prince. And there's there's unique images there that have
not been used. And there's messages like hi Johnny, but
thank you and and then signed by Banksy and and

(01:30:58):
we have a whole wall of them. And people don't
know that these exits exists because there's this, it's this
phantom thing of Banksy. No people work with banks and
he gives.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Gifts and is that his way of saying, this is
your non disclosure agreement. I will give you a valuable
way of that if.

Speaker 5 (01:31:17):
You just you know, seriously, seriously funny. Oh everybody knows
the exit through the gift shop documentary. He couldn't use
that name that was owned by a band, and he
bought the rights to the name and he said, okay,
I'll make an artwork for you and he will have
the value of that name, which was around two hundred

(01:31:38):
and fifty thousand pounds. So they said, okay, we want
to be called brace Yourself. And so he created this
work which we've toured for many years. It's now sold,
but we have a photograph of it and the story
next to the whole exit Thue gift you because I
wanted people to have the context. But this is one
of those things where he makes his big work and

(01:31:59):
it's the Grim Reaper in a bumper car. And then
they said, okay, can we have a CoA And you
have to know, especially in the Banksy world, without a
certificate of authentication, there is no it has it's it
has no value. And Banksy said, while he was buying okay,
let's say he was buying the name Exit through the

(01:32:21):
gift shop, right, and he was paying with an artwork
and he said, oh no, no, no, no, it's a gift.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
He is a man.

Speaker 5 (01:32:31):
And the thing is when the when the band sold it,
they sold it I think two years ago, and they
still got good money for it, but I know that
they would have gotten way more if that CoA was there.
And now they had to show the emails and that's
but it's different than a CoA. And he doesn't give
coas to girlfriends. None of the girlfriends I worked with,

(01:32:53):
and there's two and a half girlfriend that I work
with of Banksy, he's given a CoA too, and one
of them the original flower throw and we show this
at the at the back he changed the message when
she sent it for a CoA. And it's a very
cheeky story. This on video. You need to go and
see it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Look, Michelle, isn't that fascinating. We have no idea who
he is, but clearly through this exhibition we're going to
learn an awful lot about him. Yes, thank you so
much for your time this morning. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
You're welcome and I look forward to come to Aukland
this week and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
The out of Banks. He opens at Auckland's at Test
Center on July the seventh. The panel was up next
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Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
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Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
All the highs and lows, talking the big issues of
the week. The panel on the Sunday Session and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Joining me on the panel. Today we have News Talk
ZB Wellington Morning's host Nick Mills.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Good morning, Nick Morning.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
And we have the host of the Front Page, Chelsea
Daniels Hi Chelsea Morning. Okay, So today the government's sentencing
reforms come in to play.

Speaker 10 (01:34:08):
Nick.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Do you think these reforms are going to restore public
confidence in the courts?

Speaker 24 (01:34:13):
I think what it will do is it will restore
public confidence and the fact that we're taking it seriously.
I mean it's a lot of retrick at the moment.
There's a lot of talk at the moment about what
they're going to do and how they're going to be
stronger on crime. The results are quite simple in New Zealand.
Apart from one single person, everybody's going to get out

(01:34:33):
of jail eventually, So I want to see something done
with those people when they are in jail, so that
when they come out, they're better people and we on
the outside are faifer. I think there's just been far
too much talk about how they are going to get
tough on crime. We're not seeing the results. And until
we just start seeing the results, they can talk as

(01:34:55):
much as allow.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
You raise a really good point, then, Nick, because you
can look at these reforms they're bringing in and you go, Okay,
this is giving me a bit more faith in the
courts and the justice system. There are consequences if you
commit a crime, people are going to get the sentences
that they deserve. It's more respectful to victims. But where
I feel this all falls down is for it to work,
you also have to have faith in the prison system. Chelsea.

Speaker 17 (01:35:18):
Yeah, I mean, I.

Speaker 23 (01:35:19):
Don't see anything wrong with capping the amount that you
can be you know, those sentence reductions. I mean, any
court report has been who sat through a sentencing knows
that they can go on forever. And you go, oh,
minus twelve here, minus fifteen here, minus and you just
have to sit there, sit there for them so long.
And I mean, there's one sure way not to get

(01:35:40):
caught up in these sentencing reforms, and that is to
not do anything stupid and not commit crime. So I
think that you know, you get what you deserve.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Basically, do you think it'll work as a preventative measure.

Speaker 24 (01:35:51):
Nick, Well, I'm hoping no. Bottom line is no. But
what I'm hoping is that common sense will prevail and
people will understand that if you are going to commit
a crime, then there is going to be some serious
consequence of a foot omitting that crime. And no longer
will you because your uncle's auntie raped your mother's sister's
cousin that you're going to get a lesser charge. Basically,

(01:36:15):
you commit the crime, you do the time, and it's
going to be tough. Yes, I want to see reform.
I want to see people try changed, but I also
wanted people people to understand, you commit the crime, you
do the time.

Speaker 5 (01:36:30):
No if no, butts no maybes Chelsea.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
One thing I do like is the implementation of the
sliding scale for an early guilty plea.

Speaker 11 (01:36:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
And you know because a lot of the time, you
you know, Our courts are very busy. You know, we're
not getting to court cases fast enough. People get to
the first day of their trial or start getting through
their trial and then finally go, oh, actually I'm going
to you know, I'm going to put on a play.
I'm going to put on a guilty plea is wasted
a heck of a lot of time.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
I like it.

Speaker 6 (01:37:00):
There you go. It's awful for that.

Speaker 25 (01:37:01):
It's awful for the victims as well.

Speaker 6 (01:37:03):
They're preparing for these trials.

Speaker 23 (01:37:05):
Me if you murder someone to row franchise, get your
trial wouldn't be probably until twenty twenty eight, do you
know what I mean?

Speaker 25 (01:37:10):
That's how backed up the court system is. And it's
not just all go on day one.

Speaker 23 (01:37:17):
There's hearings, there's you know, reliving these things, there's police interviews,
there's preparing for witness statements and then all that.

Speaker 25 (01:37:26):
For someone to go to.

Speaker 23 (01:37:28):
Trial and played guilty on the first day or the
first week is completely unacceptable.

Speaker 25 (01:37:32):
So no, that is a really good, good implementation of that.

Speaker 20 (01:37:40):
Do you have faces it?

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
I mean, obviously I spoke to Paul Gotswas this morning
and we were talking about the fact that you know,
this is what they've put these new reforms in place,
but there is discretion that the judges still have some
discretion in these areas. Do you think we're going to
get on board and follow these guidelines.

Speaker 24 (01:37:56):
Well, I think that the judges will always have discretion
on how they portray something. Some of the crime that's committed.
I kind of. I just the feeling and Chelsea's right.
I mean, imagine the whole pain and waiting and waiting
and waiting for it. I mean, if they were really
serious about crime, they would actually say, Okay, any serious crime,

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the court case will be within the least twelve months.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
That's it, you know.

Speaker 24 (01:38:22):
I mean I'm reading a story about in Wellington at
the moment where some people have been charged and that's
not going to go to court till twy twenty seven.
I mean that they're sitting on ramand that whole time.
I mean, it's just that's not that's not real law.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
No, it's not help for anyone. Okay, Well, we'd be
interesting to see how it all unfolds. Right this morning,
I spoke about lotto. They are trying to find ways
to revolve the game as they call it, so that
it remains appealing to its audience. And I'm kind of
sitting here going, well, you know, ticket prices are at
its highest ever right now. I think you've got this right.

(01:38:56):
I don't think we need to add a powerball, reduce
the chance, making it harder to win, meaning the jackpot
goes up, you know, post thirty million, like you were
always playing for a fifty million kind of jackpop. I'm like,
no one needs fifteen million dollars, Chelsea. Let's let more
people win more regularly. Don't change it, don't throw when
the new ball, just leave it.

Speaker 11 (01:39:18):
Hang on.

Speaker 25 (01:39:18):
I think I need fifty million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Think of a lot of things you up. It would
miss you up, Chelsea. Imagine the tutory boards that you
would do.

Speaker 23 (01:39:28):
Then imagine it. Imagine the Chateau Chatou.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
Neither of us can say it.

Speaker 11 (01:39:33):
I love it, hey, But the current.

Speaker 25 (01:39:35):
Odds of winning Loto powaball right or one and thirty
eight million, so it's basically like a zero chance to
get your get your hands on millions of dollars. And
if one powerball number would be introduced, the odds would
decrease to one and forty two million, basically zero. So
I don't see any any problem with that. People are

(01:39:56):
still going to be buying these tickets. People are still
going to be fantasizing about how they're going to spend
that fifty million dollars. And I mean, your chances are
going from basically zero to zero.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
So why not, Well, because we will still get more
people benefiting from it. Nick, if we just keep at
power balls where they are, I might We've had eleven
overnight millionaires this year. That is much better than getting
halfway through a year and having one, you know, one
or two people that have you know, won't any million.

Speaker 24 (01:40:23):
Let's cut to the chase. This is the government department, right,
This is about making money. This is not about you know,
giving to charity and doing all the right things. This
is about bottom line, paying a lot of tax, making
a lot of money. And it works when it's a
thirty million dollar jackpot, it works when it's a forty
million dollar jack When it's a four or three million

(01:40:44):
dollar who goes out and buys a ticket? Very few people.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
We do because I've got a better chance of winning it.

Speaker 24 (01:40:50):
Well, you haven't millions at the end of the day.
At the end of the day, I'm a very nervous
flyer and someone told me you've got more chance of
winning Lotto twice than dying in a plane crash. Now
work that out for yourself. If you go and buy
a lot of ticket then I mean, it's a pretty
out there chance. It's a dream that it's that walking

(01:41:11):
from the counter of the supermarket to your car. You know,
I call it the dream walk. What am I going
to do? I'm going to do this. I'm going to
do that.

Speaker 6 (01:41:20):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
You want more people, don't You want more people to
be able to actually have the experience of that dream
coming true.

Speaker 24 (01:41:28):
Yeah, But reality is that we're about the money, and
when the jackpotter is at thirty million, that's when everybody's
making money.

Speaker 5 (01:41:37):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
Then we'll best of luck to you too when you
both win lotto and managing your thirty and your fifty million,
and I hope it doesn't mess you up and your
families and your friendships and everything else. Thank you so
much to Nickmills and Chelsea Daniels are joining me on
the panel. Up next, Jason Pine is into Talk Sport.
It is twenty six to twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on news talks be.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
Coming up at mid day to day Jason Pine with
Weekend Sport, and he joins me, nowcome morning morning. Love
to have you in the studio. Great to be here.
You've got a big show today because from one pm
for one hour you have the all black coach, Scott
Robertson in the studio answering your answering your questions and
taking calls.

Speaker 26 (01:42:30):
Yep, we did this exactly a year ago today. I
worked out when Raze was about to take charge for
the first time. We did that from Wellington where they
assembled it. N ZT cis And well, he can't have
hated it because they said, yeah, we'll do it again.
So yeah, one o'clock till two and after last year,
he really enjoyed.

Speaker 17 (01:42:49):
The interaction with the listeners.

Speaker 26 (01:42:51):
Yeah, and I don't think he minded my questions, but
I think he preferred he preferred answering questions from your
every day rugby fan.

Speaker 3 (01:42:59):
Well, I think that's important because he doesn't get a
lot of chance to do that, doesn't get the ability
to do that.

Speaker 26 (01:43:05):
Yeah, do you have any question that I should ask?

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Look, I'm always just really interested when they bring a
team together at the very beginning of season. They're all
coming off this, you know, the super super rugby. Everyone's
hard and exhausted. What's the step up to getting into
all black mode? And especially if you're new to the team,
how do you I mean, it's a it's a whole
sort of different Okay, just writing this down, No, no,

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but it's a whole different it's a whole different environment.
How do you bring them in? How do you make
sure that they're ready for the pressure of test rugby
and things like that, And that's where the leadership kind
of comes in. I suppose, not just from him, but
from the whole team, I imagine.

Speaker 26 (01:43:41):
Okay, I'll write that down.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
Listening is a question here from Francesca what longtime core
always ringing or long time listener? What do you want
to know? What do you think is the most interesting
about his second season and the wrong.

Speaker 26 (01:43:58):
I just think his biggest lessons from season one, but
also whether you know this is year two of a
World Cup cycle, so you always think of these things
in four a year blocks. What are the goals for
year two of a World Cup cycle? He gave ten
guys debuts last year. Yeah, there are six new faces here.
That's sixteen new players, provided they all take the field,

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which they will.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
He's going to want to reduce that as time goes back.

Speaker 26 (01:44:20):
I would I think he'd want a debut sixteen guys
and years three in four of a world cap cycle,
would you?

Speaker 10 (01:44:24):
So?

Speaker 26 (01:44:24):
I wonder whether season two or year two was fight
as a finding out year, you really find out about
guys and then next year I would say, you know,
unless somebody has an absolute storming super rugby season, which
they might, you know, those day debutantes will get a
fewer and fewer.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
And you can ask him if he's you know, terribly
offended by the French team that's coming as well.

Speaker 26 (01:44:43):
Yeah, I mean he can only play what's in front
of him, right, But you look at it and I
wonder how much he's looking ahead beyond France to the
Rugby Championship, And that game here in Auckland September six
against South Africa just stands out like a beacon on
the on the calendar. Is that the first game of
the Rugby Championship. No, they've got two games away in Argentina.
First they go to Argentina, play two games over there,

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comeback in September they played two games against Africa and
consecutive weekends, but the one at Eden Park's the first
one putting that record on the line. They even lost
there since nineteen ninety four over fifty Test matches.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
Just like we've got quite a gap from AMS Rugby
three to when we start playing testruck now.

Speaker 26 (01:45:18):
Yeah, it's yeah, it's I think it's just the way
the calendar is set up. But yeah, lots to talk
about with Razor, but like I say, he was very
very keen last year to talk to you know, the
everyday rugby fan. So an opportunity between one.

Speaker 13 (01:45:32):
And two for that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
When else is coming up on the show.

Speaker 26 (01:45:33):
Are the very un seasonal look at cricket after midday?
Actually the summer schedule is out, no Test matches after Christmas.
If you want to watch a Test match after Christmas
here you can't. Us we supposed to spend our summer
well exactly watching white ball cricket, I guess, but there
isn't even any international white ball cricket between Christmas and
March the fifteenth here in New Zealand. So you know,
is this the new normal? Do we have to accept
this now? And also Liam Lawson six on The Green,

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the Austar and Grand Prix. How good.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
Let's hope he continues that film tomorrow morning.

Speaker 26 (01:46:01):
So and Cocarta, France is fighting at UFC three one
seven for the flyweight title later on Today's so All.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
I think I think raises the base of our show.

Speaker 6 (01:46:10):
I think he is.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
I think I think it's probably all people need to know.
We don't need to talk about the Warriors and that
terrible Warriors. But never mind. Hey really looking forward to it, Piney.
I shall be listening like Piney will be back at midday.
It is twenty to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Travel with Wendy wo tours Where the World Is Yours book.

Speaker 12 (01:46:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
Joining me now is Meghan Singleton, blogger at large dot com.
Good morning, Megan, good morning. Have you returned to New Zealand?

Speaker 6 (01:46:43):
It's I have.

Speaker 10 (01:46:44):
I got home on Wednesday to this lovely weather we've
been having.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Oh look our pleasure. Yeah, no worries. I am really
intrigued today because you were going to give us a
review of Premium Economy versus this skycouch, both of which
you traveled on recently.

Speaker 24 (01:47:00):
I did.

Speaker 10 (01:47:01):
I went up to Houston on the premium economy.

Speaker 14 (01:47:05):
Now, on the air Newsal flights to Houston, they're on
the least aircraft, so that experience is the premium economy
seats are not the leather ones that you get on
the planes coming out of LA. However, I did upgrade
myself on my LA one to premium economy on the
last trip, so I have got some good experience of that.
But on my way back from LA on Wednesday, I

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chose the skycouch. And the way the skycouch works is
that you book, maybe because it was just me, so
that I booked the other two seats and they are
six hundred dollars each and you get all three seats
to yourself. But the skycouch rose, and I think there's
six or eight of them on these aircraft. They have
a leg rest which clicks right up to become a

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flat surface with your seat, so that then becomes a
really wide, seventy four centimeter sort of couch. You put
the arm rests up. However, it's not really wide enough
for two adults. I'd say, you know, you'd be really
no against the seat in front.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Of you don't want snuggling. We don't want snuggling.

Speaker 10 (01:48:08):
That's how they promoted it, really cuddle class when it
came out.

Speaker 14 (01:48:13):
They did, but there's just no way you could cuddle, well,
not if you're a normal sized humans.

Speaker 10 (01:48:18):
Tell me what, Yes, it's perfect for kids.

Speaker 14 (01:48:21):
So there was a lady behind me and she had
two skycouches whose son they were in their jarmy's the
minute the seat belt sign was off.

Speaker 10 (01:48:27):
Her boys slept all night.

Speaker 14 (01:48:29):
She had a daughter that was a bit younger, and
the daughter had slept on the two seats that they
folded up, and mum slept on sat on the aisle seat.
So ideal, ideal for families, and of course if you
can get it for yourself. The whole length of the
three seats though, is an old fashioned speak five foot
one one point five five meters, so even I had

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to sleep a little bit bent on that.

Speaker 10 (01:48:52):
But you do also get a seat belt you could
wrap right over yourself, so it was good like that.

Speaker 14 (01:48:58):
You get extra the premium pillows, you get a little
bed sheet to make it like a little comfy nook.

Speaker 10 (01:49:06):
So I got a little bit of sleep, but I
was paranoid that my.

Speaker 14 (01:49:09):
Feet were going to poke out the end because they
kept trying to and then if you get bumped through
the night.

Speaker 10 (01:49:14):
And it's also an.

Speaker 14 (01:49:17):
Economy class, so you're going to get the economy food drinks,
not no amenities. Economy you get the business stuff and
very comfortable. The seat pitch is long. I actually got
better sleep.

Speaker 10 (01:49:29):
In Premium Economy. But I have compared the price.

Speaker 14 (01:49:32):
I've done a good old price comparison on that blog
post and comfort, so you can read my full review
and decide if it's.

Speaker 13 (01:49:39):
Right for you.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
Okay, So which is more expensive, Well, it.

Speaker 10 (01:49:45):
Depends on the season.

Speaker 14 (01:49:46):
When I picked a date randomly to write my post,
it was cheaper to go Premium Economy than pay twelve
hundred dollars for the two extra seats. However, I've just
looked at another date because we're thinking about going up
to the States for the All Blacks, and those Premium
economies were two thousand dollars more than than Economy. So
you just need to do all that research on the

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dates that you're looking at and make that right.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
So you're never you're never going to know. It's going
to be about when you want to travel and seeing
what's on offer.

Speaker 14 (01:50:15):
Okay, exactly exactly because it's dynamic pricing. As with all airlines, hotels,
it's all always dynamic pricing. It always depends on supply
and demand. So you pop your date in, you do
a good old comparison, and then you work out whether
you know you're going to sleep in one or other.
A little bit better, I would say, and I have
put a note in there. The way in New Zealand's

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premium economies are set up.

Speaker 10 (01:50:38):
Is two four to two. If you get in the
middle of a four, there's no way you're shimmying out
of there in the night to go to the loop. Yeah,
so there's a few things to consider.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
Oh, look, appreciate it, Megan, Thank you so much, lovely
to have you home. So if you are sort of
thinking of traveling and you are able to afford premium
economy or skycout, head to blogger at large dot com.
Blogger at large dot com, Megan, start a full sort
of rundown of it all there for you. It is
twelve to twelve of.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
Books with wiggles for the best Election of Great Reeves.

Speaker 3 (01:51:12):
Joe McKenzie, good morning, good morning. You have got a
book by Wally Lamb called The River is waiting for
us this morning.

Speaker 13 (01:51:19):
Yes, I hope that his name might be familiar to
some people listening, because he shot to fame many years
ago now with his first book called She's Come Undone,
and then he did one which I know has been
loved by literally hundreds of thousands of readers, called I
Know This Much is True And if that rings a bill,
then this is the book for you. Because Wally Lamb
is back after about I think a ten year break,

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and as well as the writing career that he's had,
he spent several years teaching creative writing at a women's
correctional facility in Connecticut, and I think that a lot
of the interactions and the environment that he had when
he was working there informs the story of this book,
which is about a guy called Corby Ledbetter who's a
husband and father to twins. But he's out of work

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and things are spiraling downwards and disaster strikes him his family,
and as a result, he gets given a prison sentence
and he's locked away, where he spends the first few
months in complete state of denial, sure that he's not
the bad guy who did this terrible thing, but self
awareness grows as he navigates the prison system, and he
discovers a huge amount about himself that he didn't know before,

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and he's looking for redemption and finding a way home.
And the thing about Wally Lamb is that he writes
so well about people in crisis, and his books are
full of humanity. And that's what this one is all about.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
Isn't that interesting? Clearly obviously inspired by his work, I imagine, so. Yeah,
random question. Aside from thriller writers, it can be quite
normal for authors to write a book every ten years,
isn't it.

Speaker 13 (01:52:51):
Oh yes, think of someone like Donna Tart who wrote,
Oh God, you're true, We're all had more than ten
years now, we're all hanging out for the next time
a bit late.

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
And you know that's true. I think I just get so.
You know, thriller writers are always telling you when you're
talking about their book, oh the next one's out next year.
You know, kind of get used to that, but I
forget that the rest of the world takes a little
bit more time to craft a book. Okay, let's talk
about Baddest Man by Mark krigel Well.

Speaker 13 (01:53:15):
The subtitle of this is the Making of Mike Tyson,
and you might be surprised to know that I'm interested
in people like Mike Tyson, but I don't know anything
about boxing, although I understand having read this book that
he was the youngest heavyweight champion in the world, and
actually ten years ago I wrote, I read his own memoir,
which I thought was just outstanding.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
I loved it.

Speaker 13 (01:53:37):
So I know nothing about boxing, but I'm fascinated by
the mindset and the psychology of people like Tyson who
get involved with it. And he had a terrible, terrible
childhood you can't imagine. Brought up on the mean streets
of New York. His mother had to scrabble just to survive.
He ended up in a juvenile correctional facility in New York,
and one day Muhammad Ali came to visit, and that

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litter spark in Tyson and he went on, of course,
to have an extraordinary career. So you can see that
he's been incredibly success. But this book actually is his
origin story, and it only goes through until the age
of twenty two. But as you read it, you can
see that, yes, this is the guy who's very talented
and clever and works hard. He's terrible with women. There's
all sorts of things in his life that are really

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not good, and you see all the hang is on
that encourage him to go on and be the best
because they can all click the ticket on the way.
So you've got this young guy not even in his twenties,
who's got a whole crowd of hangers on and all
of them are getting something from him, that whole story
of fame and that you're taking a lot of people
are writing on your coattails at fascinating. And the opening

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bit of the book is where he's watching his twelve
year old daughter have a tennis lesson, and it's really
hard to reconcile the dad sitting with his daughter playing
a very I don't know what the word is, but
a very respectable, lovely sport. And then you get into
his backstory and realize where he came from, and the
juxtapositions extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
Okay, So did you learn more of about Mike Tyson
even after reading his memoir?

Speaker 11 (01:55:08):
Like is this?

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
Is it a different perspectives?

Speaker 13 (01:55:10):
More information respective and it as somebody who's saying, I
think that this might have been a contributing factor to that, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
It's a bit of a different perspective and I love it. Okay.
So that's Baddest Man by Mike Kregil and the first
book by Wally Lamb, The River is Waiting. Thanks John,
we'll talk next week.

Speaker 13 (01:55:24):
See you then.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
Thank you so much for being with us today here
on the Sunday Session. Thank you very much to Michael
for stepping in and producing the show for me today.
Do not forget one o'clock today, the All Blacks Coach
is going to be with Piney. He's with him for
an hour. Scott is going to be talking to Piney
but also taking your call, so make sure you stick
with us here. Weekend Sport is up next next week,

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we've got some Brett mackenzie and Owen Mulligan is with us.
He's an author. He's written a really fascinating book about
his experience of being a soldier and ending up when Iraq.
He's a UK author. He was a teacher and decided
to join the territorials and then found himself on this
journey and it's a fascinating book written really well, full

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of a lot of black humor, happens to be Carrie
Mulligan's brother, so interesting story. Really looking forward to having
him on the show. We're going to finish the day
with a little bit finish the show with Brett Mackenzie.
This is his latest single All I Need. I hope
you have a great afternoon. I'll see you next Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
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