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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks atb.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
This is a Sunday Session. I'm Francisca Rudkin, with you
until midday. Good to have you with us. It is
seven past ten. Right, divorced, beheaded, dyed, divorced, beheaded, survived.
That's how we generally remember the story of our tutor women,
the six ex wives of the infamous King of England,
Henry the Eighth. All six remembered far more for their
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deaths than the lives they led. The stories and lives
of the queens are the basis of the musical Six,
which has just hit our shores, taking sixteenth century British history,
a grim history at that, and basically turning it into
a pop concert. Now all six ex wives will join
us very soon to perform a number from the show.
But right now, Georgia Kennedy, who plays Catherine Parr, and
Zelia Rose Kitoko who is Anna Cleaves with me. Good morning, ladies,
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Thank you for coming in.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Good morning.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Great to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Georgia, maybe you could talk us through this musical. It's
kind of history reimagined. Is that a good way to
put it told from the perspective of Henry's Six six wives.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
How we talk about this show is that it's a
pop concept, it's a musical theater show, and it's a
history lesson or meshed into one. So yeah, absolutely, it's
that three and one and it's told from the perspectives
of the six Queens.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So, Celia, how do you take at what makes us
sort of rather grim story such a energetic, fabulous sort
of pop concert.
Speaker 7 (01:41):
Yeah, well, I think it's the rewriting of history in
a way that brings it into the twenty first century.
We're talking about you know, we're basically reenacting a historical
piece like a you know, like we're playing ode to
these queens in a way that kind of enables them
to be elevated.
Speaker 8 (01:57):
You know.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
It's like this retelling from this femin lens that you
wouldn't normally hear about in the history books. And the
good part of it is that it kind of is
satirical and turns it around and creates a comedy and
an empowering piece that you know, you take inspiration from
and you kind of understand these queens a little more
in their full energy. Yeah, how accurate?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Is it, how is?
Speaker 6 (02:19):
How's do you know what it actually is?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
History?
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Obviously it's a pop concert, so that's not accurate. But
when we look at the script and the score, it
is one hundred percent accurate. Everything we're speaking about is
exactly what happened to these women. I guess the inaccuracy
comes with bringing their stories into the twenty first century.
The gorgeous costumes we wear, the songs we sing are
all sort of very twenty twenty five, but it is
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all historically accurate, which is amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Because in a way, you're playing these queens, these real
life women, but you're also been inspired by kind of
the queens of music today.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Absolutely absolutely, Like our director sort of spoke to us
at the start of the rehearsal process and said, Okay, imagine,
you know, these queens from the fifteen hundreds are coming
into the twenty first century. They're kind of rising from
the grave, and we've got a bit of them. We've
got a bit of this like pop diva energy, and
we've got you and you're all like mesh together, and
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you're coming together because.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Now is the perfect time to tell their stories.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
So yeah, so we kind of bring that every night
and it's really really fun.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Celia, did you know a lot about Henry and his
wives and the stories and the history around us.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
I mean, the consensus is that he was an awful,
awful person. I think everybody knows that when they know
the history or not, that he was really ruthless and
you know g Nali as a person. But it was
really interesting doing the research on that, Like we had
some really good reading material and some good documentaries as
well to kind of find out more.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
But I just was.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
Always like, like flabbergacaid how these women actually managed to
finesse living amongst his you know, amongst that time and
also in such a position of power, but dealing with
so many variables of like how hard it was for
women at that time and obviously how ruthless it was.
But yeah, just every queen has her power, you know,
every queen has has something unique about her, and you
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know it's just stories that aren't told very often. Is
from the women's perspective as well. So I was really
interested in that part too.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You you play Anne of Cleats, You called Anna in
the film just to keep just for to make things
a little bit more simpler, right, And what did you
learn about her that kind of intrigued you or fascinated you.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Yeah, well, she she actually came from privilege herself. She's
like a German like, she's born into royalty as well.
It was arranged marriage, so basically when they met, it
was he kind of created this rumor that she was ugly,
like that was her. That was kind of her story.
But actually they met and it was like a blind
date and it just went terribly. It was like a
failed blind date where they were like, oh, there's no vibe,
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but we have to.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Get married, right, And then I was like, yeah, so
they end.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Up getting married.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
I think there was no They had a terrible sex
life and it was just like really it really flopped.
But she managed to finesse a prenup because she was
from royalty. She was from privilege, and she was able
to kind of get letters sent from her family to
their family and to Henry to be like, Okay, this
marriage didn't work out, but now we're going to organize something,
so let's just make this as smooth as possible.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You know, she hears the most positive story. Would that
be fair to say?
Speaker 7 (05:17):
Absolutely? She she she had her prenup. She was one
of the richest women in England in her time. And yeah,
I believe like she was like had her own palace
and you know, she was actually friends with Captain Howard
as well. I believe they kind of had this relationship,
so I think, you know, there must have been she
she didn't have emotional ties to Henry. Basically she was
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happy to you know, have her pren up of course,
as you would be, but also just like live her
life in not exile, but just on her own terms.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
I guess.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, yeah, I think.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
On her like, you know, her and Henry were friends.
Like she wasn't beheaded. She could have been beheaded really,
he had done that before, but she was able to
strike this friendship with him and they kind of kept
that until she died. Yeah, is really cool.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, you play Catherine park who also you could say
had an okay outcome because she outlived King Henry, but
they had an interesting relationship too that would you call
theirs a friendship the relationship it was.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Yeah, I think when we talk about Catherine Parr, she
definitely survived Henry and sort of the first year after
his death was great, but then she had actually a
very tragic ending as tragic as Jane Seymour, she dies
in childbirth. The man that she loves turns out to
not quite be the man she thought he was. He,
you know, is frolicking around with Elizabeth I, and so
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she she had a really tough end of life, really,
but she survived Henry because.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
She was very clever.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
I believe she struck a friendship with him, and at
that point in his life, you know, he was he
was decaying when she married him, literally literally decaying literally,
so she was able to sort of finesse a friendship
with him, and there was a point where she could
have been executed, and she kind of played the chess
game with.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Him and was able to survive him. So she was amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Has it been quite fun to put a different perspective
on these women, these women that we know but we
have sort of quite will Our perspective is often around
how they whether they survived or whether they died.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Yeah, like, you know, I didn't actually know the whole
divorce beheaded died, divorce beheaded survived. Is this thing that
we learn in the history classes in the UK, not
so much mean Australia, but I think worldwide we know
that that rhyme we don't know anything else about these
queens really, and all of this history was written by
men for men, so to be able to rewrite it
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with a female lens. And also, you know, we're learning
more about these queens literally in twenty twenty five. Females
are going back and looking at the history and looking
at the documents and still finding out things about these
queens that we can make relevant for us in the
twenty first century. And that's really cool. History is actually
always ever changing as well.
Speaker 7 (08:01):
It is, and I think now especially we're seeing a
lot of resurgence of like periodramas told from a different perspective,
like different people in those positions, like I think even
like British and is a good example of like the casting.
You know, it looks so different. It's like, let's see
how we can actually translate into now like this time
in the world, but also play like ode to those
stories and the times that that of the characters we're playing,
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but let's like let's modernize it and frame it into
a new lens.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Celia and Georgia, thank you so much for coming and chatting.
We actually have all six of the queen's here, which
is very exciting and you guys are going to perform
for us? What are you going to sing?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
We're going to sing a few songs.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
Yeah, we're gonna Yeah, we're gonna get mash it up
and do a little remix.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, an acoustic remix.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Fantastic, let's do it, Lizina, pleat me.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
Tell your side, sorry that you think you've heard.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Names the glories under disgrace it. I'm done, who's all?
Speaker 6 (09:11):
This is time?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I've been just one word in a stupid rash.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
So I pick the top, a pen and a microphone.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Is there's about to get over front?
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Divorced, beaded, died, normal, the head is survived.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
But just for you tonight, we're a horse be headed.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Lie, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
To their history. Switching up the farms, we add the breathing.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
Everybody knows, sup, SE's far's.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Raising a roof to me? It sceally get ready for.
Speaker 8 (09:54):
The truth that will be really everybody knows we stop
be sick.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
But now ex wives, are you weather key and read
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Speaker 5 (10:22):
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do us.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
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Speaker 5 (10:32):
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Speaker 8 (10:44):
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how cowny Barry.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
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Speaker 8 (11:13):
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Speaker 3 (11:25):
Where six?
Speaker 8 (11:27):
Whoa? Where?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Six?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Leix? Whoa moves? Where's six?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Just amazing ladies. That was the cast of six and
musical Kimberly Deadre, Lauren, Georgia, Zelia and Chelsea. They're the
ex wives of Henry the Eighth and Danny A long
guitar there. Look, I saw this last night. It is
a real blast. It's designed as a pop show. It
comes with its own sort of self cont hanging to stage.
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It's got a live band. The queens are there sharing
their tragic stories. It's kind of like a competition to
see who's got the most tragic story. Very contemporary, as
we were talking about in the interviews, sort of modern
day rewriting. Of history from the perspective of the wives,
and the music is all inspired by current queens of Pops.
The costumes were favorous. Look, the performances were really tight.
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There is some extraordinary powerful voices in the mix there.
The band was great, the energy fantastic, plenty of humor.
It's short, snappy, it's under an hour and a half.
But here's the other thing that was fantastic was the
audience was awesome. Musical fans. They wanted to be there.
They were clapping all the way through, really vocal. They
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treated it like a pop concert as well, really quick
to their feet at the end of the show. And
I like that because I don't think we're very good
at showing appreciation here in New Zealand. I think we
get a little bit reserved, and so it was just
a real blast. So if you love your musicals, six
is at Pacivic in Auckland until the twenty third of March.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
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