He says they're trying to inject fear into people [to get vaccinated] because they're realised you can't keep borrowing a billion dollars a week to fund lockdowns and stop people going about their daily lives.
He thinks they way forward is to provide incentives for people to get vaccinated.
He says people shouldn't be able to attend big events, go to pubs or fly on planes if they're not vaccinated.
Conversely, he says we also need to fund providers who [will help vaccinate] hard to reach Maori and Pacific communities.
In an opinion piece in the Herald urged the Government to stop ruling by fear and to break free of our “hermit kingdom”.
He also called the MIQ lottery a national embarrassment.
He further told Francesca Rudkin that "you can't leave people stateless."
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