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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Brand new New Zealand music here. This is Brick by
Brick from Littleton based indie folk artist Mel Parsons. We've
been celebrating Kuwei music for the last few weeks. New
Zealand Music Month may have finished yesterday, but we're going
to squeeze in one more live performance for you. On
top of releasing this new single, Mal has been touring
the country. She's now heading after some gigs in Australia,
but is stopped by the studio first. Mel Parsons, It's
(00:36):
so good to see you. Welcome, thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It's great to be back.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Your sixth album Sabotage. It has been so successful. You
came in and visited us last year and you played
offer Down for us, which I still have in my mind.
It was such a gorgeous performance. Rolling Stone has said
it some of your best songwriting to date. Is that
something you see in your songwriting?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Ah, it's a great question, don't I kind of don't
even I don't think about it, to be honest, I
just I try and keep that site. I try and
keep what other people think and how they feel about
my music. As a totally out of the process, I
just do my thing and then and then if it
happens that that music connects with people, then I'm super stoked.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
So do you I know that you've got four children,
but do you and you wouldn't have a favorite, but
you must have.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
A favorite Child's the thing? I know everyone's got a
favorite China, Sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well on each on a particular day. I think we
have a favorite child, don't we? But would you? Do
you have a favorite album?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Then?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Ah, that's a good.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I think honestly, probably my favorite is always the most
recent one, and in the sense that probably because it's
newest to me and it is the thing that is
closest to how I'm feeling at that time. But like
I have, like I really like, you know, I'm really
proud of all the records that we've made, but like
the dry Lands album that came out in twenty fifteen,
ten years ago, can you believe.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I really love?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah? No, But I feel like for some reason, for
whatever reason it is, Sabotage seems to have connected with
a lot of people, and that's it's such a bus it's.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So six albums in, have you got this process down now?
I'm going I.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Think I'm getting better. I think I'm getting better at the.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Or whether it's better or not, I don't know, but
I'm getting I'm getting faster at the I'm getting faster
at editing. I'm faster in the process of actually creating,
and in the sense that I know, I get a
feeling and I trust that feeling and I go with
it straight away. So I'm not I'm not kind of
wandering around so much in the dark anymore. I feel like,
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so you're not sitting there with the song kind of
going I can make this work, just to really flowing
a dead horse exactly. Yeah, so I know early on
to cut those ones because if there's something that feels
like a dead horse, then that's what it will be.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I've definitely learned to trust my gut on that.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Using it intuition. It has been an independent artist come
any easier.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
I mean, I'm.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Into an optimist, which is probably why I'm still doing
this as a career all these years later. I think
I think there are things that have probably become more accessible.
There's a lot more, you know, with you know, the
way that our industry has changed. Everything's based around streaming
and social media and that you know, it's it's frustrating
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at times because not everyone loves being on social media
all the time.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
You know, personally, I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Love it, but it's just it's just what we just
have to accept that it's part of what we do.
And I think that, you know, in every era of
making and recording and release of music, there are you know,
things that are great and things that are really frustrating.
But I feel like, I don't know, honestly, overall, I
just feel lucky that I'm lucky that I am independent
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and that I that I have been this whole time.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And it's interesting the way the industry works now and
the reliance on the streaming services, because there's there's good
and bad that comes with the streaming service and the
way the artists are treated and things like that. But
also in a way, as you say, it kind of
levels the playing.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Field, I think so too.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, absolutely, it is a leveler, and it's sort of
you know, I mean, the big game still still being
played out there. But I think, you know, for artists
like me, like I'm you know, first and foremost I'm
a touring artist, you know, and I make records and
I really enjoy the whole process. And so for me
as long as you know, like the streaming is a
big part of it, and we have to you know,
we're always pushing really hard on you know, Spotify and
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that kind of end of it. But yeah, I think
it would be really easy to get distracted and to
get kind of down about, you know, or overwhelmed, and
be really easy to get overwhelmed with with how you know,
all the kind of negative possibilities. So for me, I
just kind of I've kind of just worked out. I
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just stay in my lane, stick to my path, and
I don't know, I put my energy into things that
I enjoy, so yeah, I try not to get it
to bog down in the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
When you say you're a touring artist, I know you
love to play live and people love seeing you play live.
Is that where the real joy comes from?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
That's the biggest joy for me.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, I think it's a you know, and I mean
I love writing songs as well, But I find writing songs,
I find it it's really hard. You know, You've got
to really sit down and work at it and whereas
performing for me is so it's very natural and it's easy.
It's like it's kind of my zen place. But I
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think the biggest buzz out of it is the is
the connection with an audience like does and you know,
it sounds kind of trite to say, but it doesn't
matter how big that audiences. You know, it might be
a house concert to thirty people, or it might be
an arena to five thousand people. But it's that I
don't know, it's like an kind of energy transfer or something.
It's a very special kind of job to be and
(05:59):
I guess, you know, I don't, Yeah, I don't. I
don't take that for granted what I get to do
for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
The song that you're going to perform for us later
is cool post high Slide, which I am just loving.
The video for that was filmed on your tour when
you were supporting Crowded House last year. I mean that
must have just been a whole lot of a highlight, right,
I was, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's definitely bucketless stuff. Yeah, I mean yeah that too.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I mean, I'm such a I'm a huge fan of
Credit House anyway. You know, so I got to be
side of stage for seven shows, you know, watching just
an absolute masterclass and all the things. So it was
it was amazing, and that the audiences were very kind
to us and the band were you know, they looked
after us so well, and we just had a ball.
(06:40):
So there's definitely a post I slide after that one.
And let's talk about that, even though you're going to
sing the song for us in just a moment.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I do love the idea behind this that you know,
it's you've been touring, you've been out there, you're doing
what you love, and then you've got to kind of
come home just lunch making, just the grind of day
to day life.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Absolutely it is because I mean, for when you're touring,
you know, you get, especially like those, you know, the
arena shows, you get this massive adrenaline shot every night
and you're just absolutely buzzing, and it's it's a huge high,
you know, there's no two ways about it, and you
do you come home and then you know, obviously family
life is wonderful, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But it's just such a shift.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And so but now I think that I'm maturing in
the sense that I because I know to expect it.
I know that that's coming.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I don't kind of I don't get surprised after a
tour now, you know when I get home and I'm
a bit flat. Yeah, So I think that's the that's
the kind of the process. It's just accepting that it's
going to be a roller coaster. You probably haven't been
watching Clarkson's Farm. You've probably got better things to do
with your time, watch TV. But there's a great there
was a great moment on there just recently where Jeremy
Clarkson was telling one of his farm hands who'd just
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come back from a tour and was been just struggling
to settle a little bit, and he said, I knew
this band. I know this band, world famous band, And
every time they came home from a tour, a world tour,
they would rent a house for two weeks and they
would live in it together, and they would do their
own cooking and cleaning and wash their own clothes before
they went back to their homes. Because if they just
(08:15):
walked straight in off a tour and walked into their
own homes, they were just the most I won't use
the word he used, but they were just arrogant and
terrible and horrible to be around, and so they'd go
back and they ground themselves for two weeks and they're interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I don't know what the band was, but it's like
a reintegration process. That's actually I wish I had two
weeks at the end of the tours to do that.
I would be down for that. I'd be down for
that instead of coming home as grumpy mom.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Sell that.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
You could sell that to the family. I've come up
with an amazing way for me to come home and
be in a better place even a week.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I'm away for six weeks, and then I'm going to
be away for another week because I've got to just
kind of wind down.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Okay, five days, ye, I just negotiate this. Hey, look,
you have released two new songs this year, Brick by
Brick and also post High Slide that you're going to
play for us a little later on. Would it be
fair to say that they might be slightly more upbeat
than normal?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Know the great observation they are. Yeah, No, they're both
they're kind of I was gonna say party songs. They're
definitely not party songs, but they're Yeah, I think mel
Parson parties.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, true, true, true, they Yeah, I think a break
Bay Brick in particular.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
It's pretty lighthearted, you know, and it's and it's fun.
It's really fun to play. It was fun to make,
and it's I think, you know, because I'm fairly well
known for my you know, as a sad songwriter. And
that's and that's still you know, that's the guts of
what I do. You know, I love sad music and
I write sad music. But we need it. But I
think through you know, particularly like in a show sense,
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you need the dynamics of you know, I can't or
we do them in gloom. So yeah, these ones are
definitely a lot more upbeat.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I find it so.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Intriguing as you say, this is what I do. I
write sad songs because I love catching up with you.
But you are full of energy, You're always happy, you know,
like you're.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I know people, it's a paradox people.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, I know, kind of conflicted by it, but I think,
I mean, what I've sort of come to with it
is that I think that the music is you know,
in writing sad songs, that's my outlet for it, you know,
So it's kind of let freeze me up to be
a happy person.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
So that's my theory. I don't know. I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
You know, we all find our theory in our therapy
and different ways. It's a walk in the bush, or
whether it's writing a sack or writing an a journal
law exactly, And I meant to be fair.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
You know, imagine how much of a sad sack I
would be if I was like that, If I was
like my songs, you know, I would just be.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
You wouldn't want me and have an interview.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, break by reculators that you just mentioned. It's a
reminded yourself to start the thing, which I think a
lot of us could be reminded of occasionally. Are you
a bit of a procrastinate one hundred percent?
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think, yeah, I always have been,
and I get tied up and kind of just in
the details.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Before you know, i'll.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Clean the house, I'll think that it's not going to
be perfect enough, so I won't start it quite yet
because I'm not quite ready.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
And I think that I have Yeah, that's one.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I mean a lot of my songs are kind of
just like a message to myself, and so this one
is literally just me saying, for goodness sake, sit down.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's not that hard.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Just keep turning up and something will happen, you know.
And it's so simple, you know, there's absolutely nothing pro
found in there. But but but for me, it's so
I need the constant reminder, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Okay, So we've had two singles so far this year.
I'm presuming there's more to come. There might might come. Yeah,
see this is the thing for independent artists. You've got
you can control. Yeah, just hold onto that, a't I'll
check with fair enough, fair enough, Okay, you're going to
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perform post high slide for us. Okay, let's starch right.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
The post task slide. I know that it's coming, The
post task slide.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Do you take me on his ride? The post i slide?
I know that it's coming. The post i slide, you
take me on his ride. I don't want to talk
about it. I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Talk about it. I don't want to talk about it,
but I will in the post task slide, and I
know that it is coming. The post task slide.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Do you take me on his friend? The post i slide?
I know that it's coming. The post i slide. You
take me on his friend, He'll come and go. I
know he don't come and go. I know you don't
come and go. Hand No, it will.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Down we go sucter ready you ready, you're right here,
grinding on feel on your own, keep driving, keep driving down.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
We got scater already. You're ready.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
You right here, grinding on along your own. Ready here,
you're right here. The polls tas slide. I know that
is coming, the polls task side. You can take me
on his ride.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
The posts side.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I know that it's coming.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Poast tast side. You can take me on his ride.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Down.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
We got so keater ready, you're ready, you write it down.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
We got so keytlady, you're ready.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
You right here down, We got so key to already,
you're ready, you right.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Here down, We got so key already. You're ready.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
You right here?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
The post slide.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
I know that it is coming boas t slide. Do
you take me on this rag the post i slide.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
I know that it is coming. The boats tart slide.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
You take me on this rag the boast t slide.
I know that it's coming boast tartar. You take me
on this wrath the post hast slide. I know that
it's coming, post hast slave.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You take me on this Hey bright, Mel Parsons, that
was absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much for coming in
and taking the time to sing as a song. Really
appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Oh my pleasure. Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
You can catch Mel Parsonson Auckland find Over sixth of June,
christ Church Saturday, the seventh of June. For more information,
head to Melparsons dot com.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
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