March 29, 2025 • 9 mins
This week on The Sunday Panel, The Front Page host Chelsea Daniels and Director at 818 Chris Henry joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Finance Minister Nicola Willis outlined some supermarket competition options today - including bringing in a third player or breaking up the current system. What do we make of this? What could these mean for food prices?
Kiwi fashion designer Sera Lilly has taken to social media after discovering her designs had been ripped off by online retailer Shein. Do we buy products off these types of websites? Is this harmful?
Kiwi fashion designer Sera Lilly has taken to social media after discovering her designs had been ripped off by online retailer Shein. Do we buy products off these types of websites? Is this harmful?
Do health influencers need to follow regulations?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News talks'b All the Highs and Lows talking the
big issues of the week, the panel on the Sunday Session.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And joining me today on the panel, we have hosts
of the Front Page Chelsea Daniels, Good morning, Chelsea, good morning,
and director at eight one eight Chris Henry. How are
you doing, Chris.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well, thank you, good morning well.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Finance Minister Nichola Willis has definitely surprised me this morning
with her announcements. On her announcement on the supermarkets, she
said that she is considering a possible structural separation of
the sector's existing entities, and Chelsea, to be honest with you,
I didn't think she would be bold enough to go
that far.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Oh Francisca, I think something had to happen anyway. I mean,
you need to go over to the ditch to Australia
to see how much choice there is and how much
that affects the price of your groceries. I mean, every
time I go home, I the first place I go
is Audi.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And you can do a whole platter like a girl
dinner platter for like under fifty bucks. Now the same
thing here is that you're looking up upwards of one
hundred bucks. And it's just good that she had to
do something.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Quite like to come and have one of your platters, Chelsea.
They sound good.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Ah yeah, I'm a platter girly. I hate cooking.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I tell you what, I agree with you, Chelsea. Something
had to happen. But Chris always sort of heard previously
from the government was how they were going to try
and encourage a third party to get set up in
New Zealand. So I was presuming, like a lot of
other people, we were going to hear about maybe some
tax measures or some property measures, or some change in
legislation to make it easier for that to happen. I
didn't think that they would address sort of the current sector.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Well, I mean, it's definitely a bold move. But like Chelsea,
I'm thrilled with the excitement. Whenever I go on holiday,
I like to treat a new international supermarket as one
of the key destinations to visit early in the trip.
Love seeing all the different variety that things have got
going on. I'd love to have an Aldi. I loved
Eva Harris Farm I'm a big cost go guy. I'm
(02:13):
into it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Okay. I had a text CHELSI from Jen who said, look,
if you break up the existing very efficient supply chain,
you're going to add to food stuff stores and you
set up other stools with separate supply chains and administration things.
That's going to add cost and that's going to mean
the cost you know, prices are going to rise.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Well, I think that. I mean there's a duopoly in
New Zealand at the moment, and that means and that
has done nothing to prices in New Zealand. You look
at a cheese killer of cheese here and it's upwards
of ten to fifteen dollars. I mean, that's insane when
we've got so many cows here. So where we have
to look at our supply chains maybe by you know,
(02:57):
groceries locally, see where all of our stuff is going.
Because I've never seen a bluff oyster in my life.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yes, have a few, and I'm pretty sure Chris has two.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh, I've definitely seen you.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Look, Chris. What what I'm interested in as well is
that the government has said that they're going to receive
these responses to what the ideal market structure is going
to be like, they're only giving it a six week
period to do that, and then Willis says that she's
going to be ready to propose significant changes to fix
the sect. I've got a little bit of a theory
in talking about bluff. I'm wondering if there's a bit
of a bluff going on here. Do you think she's
(03:35):
saying we are going to make changes. It is going
to be the supermarkets, and we're going to do it
really fast, So you come up with a solution and
come to me first. I wonder if that's what's going
on here.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean, that sounds like good business to me.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
It's obvious that she's had plenty of time to be
thinking about it. She's obviously got an idea of what
she really wants, and I think she's probably just going
through the process.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean, chus see, the supermarkets are going to fight this,
aren't they.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Absolutely, they fight everything at every turn whenever there's I mean,
you looked at the food Stuff's North Island as a
South Island merger that went on for ages. So they've
certainly got the money to do it. They've got our
money to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But I would still prefer that they were taking this approach,
which is a more short term approach to getting competition
going as opposed to waiting for a third player to
come in, which could take twenty years to have an impact. Chelsea.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Look, I'm emailing audi at once every three months, so
if everybody, if everybody joins me in doing that, then
perhaps we'll get we drum up from demand.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
And would they get an invite to enjoy the player
as well if they can support.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
The cause, Oh absolutely, we'll have a plat of party,
Chris coming in.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Another story that caught our attention today was about the
New Zealand designer Sierrah Lilly, who discovered that not only
had the website Shine were selling sort of knockoffs of
her designs, but they actually also stolen her marketing photos
that they hadn't even tried to hide it have. Do
you use Shine or Tiamo or any these sites, Chris.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I've definitely done a few team orders in the past.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
And it does feel a bit dirty at times when
you do it, but sometimes but easy things that it
does make sense.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I think the most fascinating thing I found out of
the story.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
But first of all, it's terrible for Sarah and her
business and awful that can happen.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
But if you look a.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Little bit deeper into the story, the amount of infrastructure
that Sheen has in terms of being able to report
these issues seems like it might not be the first
time that this issue has happened.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They seem to have a.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Whole area where you can report copyright and IP infringement,
so it definitely indicates that this is not their first.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Trip to the rodeo.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
No, I don't think it is, Chelsea. If you fancy
you know, if you fancy something expensive, how often do
you search for a cheaper version rather than buying the original?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I feel like you already know the answer to.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
The top, I thought, as I don't, I.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Would definitely go for the expensive version or op shopping.
I mean, there's no reason to go onto sen Timu,
And I know research from last year. Actually, I did
a story about this one. In four New Zealanders surveys,
per surveyed purchase products from Timu, and fourteen percent were
estimated to have recently purchased from Sheer. But when you
(06:19):
buy a T shirt for three dollars, someone else somewhere
out in the world is paying that price, and it's
child labor, it's things like awful working conditions and not
to mention if you buy things on trend. Greenpeace estimates
that every year one hundred and eighty thousand tons of
(06:41):
clothing and textile waste is thrown away in New Zealand.
That's sixty five hundred shipping containers every year.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's yeah, it is one of our biggest issues when
it comes to landfills and recycling thing. We've been very
very slow in New Zealand to sort out of recycling.
But there's a whole other different story and people aren't
working on that. Chris, do you think it's I mean, obviously,
for even if you're a small business, you have to
take on a giant like this. You have to stand
up for your But I'm sure it's a huge effort.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Oh absolutely, And I mentioned going through a legalities process
would be incredibly expensive, not to mention the time that
it takes away from you for doing your core day
job and going out there. The only thing that I
can hope is that the publicity that's come around it
can deliver some business towards.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Sarah in terms of them seeing her styles and her.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Designs and thinking, actually, I'd like to support this woman
versus going internationally.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
So if there's a silver lining of it, I hope
it's that.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yesterday we released Lloyd's and I released a new episode
of The Little Things and we talked to doctor Priya Alexander,
who was an Australian GP who talks a lot about
myths in medicine, especially around women's health, which we covered
in the podcast, but we also talked one of her
pet peas is social media and influencers sharing health information.
(07:55):
Would you, Chris, ever take health advice from an influencer
or off social media?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Well, it's a bit of a hard one because the
gab answer is no.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
But when you talk about the people that are sharing
information online, they're not your traditional imfluences that do it
as a job. You know, everyone can share information online,
your crazy auntie, your friend down the road, all of
that sort of stuff. So I think there's a lot
of information out there, and when you've got a particular
issue or something that you're trying to deal with, I
(08:24):
think that crowdsourcing of information is is kind of a
key pard in it. But it is very important to
be relying on the professionals for the final decision.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, should we have regulation around what they're able to say, Chelsea,
just like a doctor?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Absolutely, And especially when it comes to you can only
see every time I do an episode on COVID how
many emails I get in the morning from people saying that,
you know, the vaccine kills people, et cetera. I mean,
it's just it's social At what point do we put
in regulations and at what point do we blame social
media for its algorithms for allowing people to go down
these rabbit holes.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, it's a very good point. Chris, Henry Chelsea Daniels
thank you very much for your time this morning and
looking forward to being invited to share a pleasure at some.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Point, Chelsea, how did it come so invite you?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I'll bring the wine.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
We're going to be waiting twenty years here, Chris. Thank
you both very much.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin. Listen
live to News Talks it'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News talks'b All the Highs and Lows talking the
big issues of the week, the panel on the Sunday Session.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And joining me today on the panel, we have hosts
of the Front Page Chelsea Daniels, Good morning, Chelsea, good morning,
and director at eight one eight Chris Henry. How are
you doing, Chris.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Well, thank you, good morning well.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Finance Minister Nichola Willis has definitely surprised me this morning
with her announcements. On her announcement on the supermarkets, she
said that she is considering a possible structural separation of
the sector's existing entities, and Chelsea, to be honest with you,
I didn't think she would be bold enough to go
that far.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Oh Francisca, I think something had to happen anyway. I mean,
you need to go over to the ditch to Australia
to see how much choice there is and how much
that affects the price of your groceries. I mean, every
time I go home, I the first place I go
is Audi.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And you can do a whole platter like a girl
dinner platter for like under fifty bucks. Now the same
thing here is that you're looking up upwards of one
hundred bucks. And it's just good that she had to
do something.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Quite like to come and have one of your platters, Chelsea.
They sound good.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Ah yeah, I'm a platter girly. I hate cooking.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I tell you what, I agree with you, Chelsea. Something
had to happen. But Chris always sort of heard previously
from the government was how they were going to try
and encourage a third party to get set up in
New Zealand. So I was presuming, like a lot of
other people, we were going to hear about maybe some
tax measures or some property measures, or some change in
legislation to make it easier for that to happen. I
didn't think that they would address sort of the current sector.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Well, I mean, it's definitely a bold move. But like Chelsea,
I'm thrilled with the excitement. Whenever I go on holiday,
I like to treat a new international supermarket as one
of the key destinations to visit early in the trip.
Love seeing all the different variety that things have got
going on. I'd love to have an Aldi. I loved
Eva Harris Farm I'm a big cost go guy. I'm
(02:13):
into it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Okay. I had a text CHELSI from Jen who said, look,
if you break up the existing very efficient supply chain,
you're going to add to food stuff stores and you
set up other stools with separate supply chains and administration things.
That's going to add cost and that's going to mean
the cost you know, prices are going to rise.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Well, I think that. I mean there's a duopoly in
New Zealand at the moment, and that means and that
has done nothing to prices in New Zealand. You look
at a cheese killer of cheese here and it's upwards
of ten to fifteen dollars. I mean, that's insane when
we've got so many cows here. So where we have
to look at our supply chains maybe by you know,
(02:57):
groceries locally, see where all of our stuff is going.
Because I've never seen a bluff oyster in my life.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Have you?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yes, have a few, and I'm pretty sure Chris has two.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh, I've definitely seen you.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Look, Chris. What what I'm interested in as well is
that the government has said that they're going to receive
these responses to what the ideal market structure is going
to be like, they're only giving it a six week
period to do that, and then Willis says that she's
going to be ready to propose significant changes to fix
the sect. I've got a little bit of a theory
in talking about bluff. I'm wondering if there's a bit
of a bluff going on here. Do you think she's
(03:35):
saying we are going to make changes. It is going
to be the supermarkets, and we're going to do it
really fast, So you come up with a solution and
come to me first. I wonder if that's what's going
on here.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean, that sounds like good business to me.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
It's obvious that she's had plenty of time to be
thinking about it. She's obviously got an idea of what
she really wants, and I think she's probably just going
through the process.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I mean, chus see, the supermarkets are going to fight this,
aren't they.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Absolutely, they fight everything at every turn whenever there's I mean,
you looked at the food Stuff's North Island as a
South Island merger that went on for ages. So they've
certainly got the money to do it. They've got our
money to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But I would still prefer that they were taking this approach,
which is a more short term approach to getting competition
going as opposed to waiting for a third player to
come in, which could take twenty years to have an impact. Chelsea.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Look, I'm emailing audi at once every three months, so
if everybody, if everybody joins me in doing that, then
perhaps we'll get we drum up from demand.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
And would they get an invite to enjoy the player
as well if they can support.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
The cause, Oh absolutely, we'll have a plat of party,
Chris coming in.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Another story that caught our attention today was about the
New Zealand designer Sierrah Lilly, who discovered that not only
had the website Shine were selling sort of knockoffs of
her designs, but they actually also stolen her marketing photos
that they hadn't even tried to hide it have. Do
you use Shine or Tiamo or any these sites, Chris.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I've definitely done a few team orders in the past.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
And it does feel a bit dirty at times when
you do it, but sometimes but easy things that it
does make sense.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I think the most fascinating thing I found out of
the story.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
But first of all, it's terrible for Sarah and her
business and awful that can happen.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
But if you look a.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Little bit deeper into the story, the amount of infrastructure
that Sheen has in terms of being able to report
these issues seems like it might not be the first
time that this issue has happened.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They seem to have a.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Whole area where you can report copyright and IP infringement,
so it definitely indicates that this is not their first.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Trip to the rodeo.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
No, I don't think it is, Chelsea. If you fancy
you know, if you fancy something expensive, how often do
you search for a cheaper version rather than buying the original?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I feel like you already know the answer to.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
The top, I thought, as I don't, I.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Would definitely go for the expensive version or op shopping.
I mean, there's no reason to go onto sen Timu,
And I know research from last year. Actually, I did
a story about this one. In four New Zealanders surveys,
per surveyed purchase products from Timu, and fourteen percent were
estimated to have recently purchased from Sheer. But when you
(06:19):
buy a T shirt for three dollars, someone else somewhere
out in the world is paying that price, and it's
child labor, it's things like awful working conditions and not
to mention if you buy things on trend. Greenpeace estimates
that every year one hundred and eighty thousand tons of
(06:41):
clothing and textile waste is thrown away in New Zealand.
That's sixty five hundred shipping containers every year.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's yeah, it is one of our biggest issues when
it comes to landfills and recycling thing. We've been very
very slow in New Zealand to sort out of recycling.
But there's a whole other different story and people aren't
working on that. Chris, do you think it's I mean, obviously,
for even if you're a small business, you have to
take on a giant like this. You have to stand
up for your But I'm sure it's a huge effort.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Oh absolutely, And I mentioned going through a legalities process
would be incredibly expensive, not to mention the time that
it takes away from you for doing your core day
job and going out there. The only thing that I
can hope is that the publicity that's come around it
can deliver some business towards.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Sarah in terms of them seeing her styles and her.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Designs and thinking, actually, I'd like to support this woman
versus going internationally.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
So if there's a silver lining of it, I hope
it's that.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yesterday we released Lloyd's and I released a new episode
of The Little Things and we talked to doctor Priya Alexander,
who was an Australian GP who talks a lot about
myths in medicine, especially around women's health, which we covered
in the podcast, but we also talked one of her
pet peas is social media and influencers sharing health information.
(07:55):
Would you, Chris, ever take health advice from an influencer
or off social media?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Well, it's a bit of a hard one because the
gab answer is no.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
But when you talk about the people that are sharing
information online, they're not your traditional imfluences that do it
as a job. You know, everyone can share information online,
your crazy auntie, your friend down the road, all of
that sort of stuff. So I think there's a lot
of information out there, and when you've got a particular
issue or something that you're trying to deal with, I
(08:24):
think that crowdsourcing of information is is kind of a
key pard in it. But it is very important to
be relying on the professionals for the final decision.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, should we have regulation around what they're able to say, Chelsea,
just like a doctor?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Absolutely, And especially when it comes to you can only
see every time I do an episode on COVID how
many emails I get in the morning from people saying that,
you know, the vaccine kills people, et cetera. I mean,
it's just it's social At what point do we put
in regulations and at what point do we blame social
media for its algorithms for allowing people to go down
these rabbit holes.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, it's a very good point. Chris, Henry Chelsea Daniels
thank you very much for your time this morning and
looking forward to being invited to share a pleasure at some.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Point, Chelsea, how did it come so invite you?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I'll bring the wine.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
We're going to be waiting twenty years here, Chris. Thank
you both very much.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin. Listen
live to News Talks it'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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