June 29, 2024 • 10 mins
This week on The Sunday Panel, journalist and editor Jo McCarroll and 818 Publicity director Chris Henry joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the week - and more!
Friday's Trump-Biden debate had the Democrats concerned about the party's future after Joe Biden failed to finish sentences and stumbled to answer questions. Does Biden need to step down? Who should lead the Democrats?
Have the stories of plane malfunctions and turbulence put us off flying? Does air travel need shaking up?
It's a big week for New Zealand's media landscape, as Newshub enters its final week on the air. Will we miss Newshub? What does this mean for the country?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudgin
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Edb joining me now on the panel. We have got
journalists and editor Joe mccarell.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Good morning, Joe, Good morning, Franchesca.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And we've also got director at eight one eight Publicity,
Chris Henry. How are you this morning, Chris ih cured,
I'm well, thank you, How are you very good? Thank you?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Hey. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
At the top of our show this morning, we started
by talking to a US correspondent about the fallout from
the Trump Biden presidential debate, which took place Friday our time.
I'm not sure if either of you saw it, but
when I started watching it, I did have a little
moment where I wondered what on earth I was watching
because it was not what I expected from either of them,
and then it continued to kind of just get worse,
(00:50):
mostly for Biden. And I can completely understand why there
are a lot of concerns and the Democratic Party right now.
So Joe, maybe you could help them out sort this
proper mount for them? What do we do with Joe
Biden as the Democratic commeny.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I did do debating at school. Francesca and I would
like to say I will step up, because I would
say anyone really who had the most you know, well prepared,
intelligent person, they should be running rings around Trump. I
think you absolutely called it earlier. Biden does need to
step down and be replaced. I do not think he
(01:26):
is fit to do the job. And that is such
a terrifying prospect. You know, you've got one administration that's
likely to uphold democracy and one that is fairly likely
to be ushering in theoretical dictatorship.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I mean, it's a crazy option for Americans to have
in the first place. Between between the two, it's a
large country. You think to yourself, could you not have
found somebody else? I don't think I think he should
step down, Chris, but I don't think he will. I
think it's going to be even more of a risk
for the Democrats to try and work out how to
replace him. How do you feel about.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
It, Oh, I think sometimes you've just got to met
when you've got it wrong and and pivot.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
At this point that it's probably going to be a
bit challenging to try and do it.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
But it doesn't look like a man that is suitable
or even possible to be a president. You know, we
came out of looking at that debate actually feeling like
perhaps Donald Trump might be the right choice, and that
is wild in itself.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Okay, So, Chris, if you were dealing with the public
relations around this, with the Biden game, what would you
be saying. What advice would you be giving Biden.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Well, I'm judging a lot of money, because would be
quite a big job, But I would say, you know,
now is the time to step down. He's an elderly gentleman,
and for the good of the country, it is time
to somebody that is younger, with fresh ideas to be
able to galvanize the.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
People of America and move forward on it.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I can imagine being a young person in America at
the moment looking at politics must feel very uninspiring to
know that you're the direction of your country is down
to these two choices. So I really think it's a
time to fall on your sword, to thank the people
for the work that you've.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Done so far, and move aside to that someone.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Pressure and with a bit more energy and now is
to be able to take the job from there, because he.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Can do that. At the moment, Joe with his reputation,
his integrity intact correct, and I just worry that if
he carries on that will diminish as much as his performance.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
He will be involved in a really significant sort of
political moment. Yeah, I actually have no I intend no
disrespect to Biden. You know, I think he has a
competent experience professional but I believe that someone who is
in their eighties, they absolutely have a contribution to make,
but it's in the emeritus professor kind of role rather
(03:44):
than heading up the whole thing. I mean, he did
have most of the right answers, it's just he could
hardly get them out.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, no, it is.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I mean, look, Chris, do you sit here in New Zealand?
And I mean I watched it out of interest and
was pretty concerned with what I saw because I kind
of believe that what happens in a country is sort
of as powerful as the United States can have an
impact on various different geopolitical situations around the world. But
actually I feel like this is kind of up to
(04:14):
the whole entertainment factor too. Of the selection.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Oh, it absolutely has.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
But I think that politics and entertainment and probably one
of the areas of life that shouldn't coexist with each other.
It's just too important. You know, America is still a
massive country and wields a huge amount of power in
the world, and to have somebody that is not suitable
to run.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
It is scary for all of us.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I get the idea of how these sort of debates
can create clicks and get people engaged, but it's just
a bit more serious then, and I suppose that I
hope the American people get get a solution that does
work for them.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I felt like I was watching something I shouldn't be watching.
Do you enjoy flying?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Look, I wouldn't say I enjoy it, but I love
traveling and flying as part of it. But flying, in
the end, you're in a middle tube and you can't
do anything you want, even when you're flying up the front,
which every now and again I've had the opportunity to do.
It's yeah, I don't think it's a particularly comfortable way
to get about taking a.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Look at sort of the headlines that we're seeing about
turbulence and lightning strikes and unfortunately plain malfunctions. Is it
Does it make your seeking guess? Flying will make it
a little bit more nervous?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Well, I sometimes to get a bit nervous flying. But
I have this very comforting thought which I will put
out to New Zealanders, which is you are far more
likely to win the lottery than Diana Plane. And given
how hard I find that to do, I take comfort
in that thought.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Okay, so that's me picking up a lot of ticket
on the way home. What about what about you, Chris,
do you second guess flying? We had an amazing agation
specialist on in our first hour of the show's day
which he really did kind of reassure me about the
stability tea really in the in the safety of planes
we fly in these days.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Well, it's definitely moved me to a point where I
take a little bit more notice on my plane ticket
about which brand of planes that I'm flying in. And
definitely Airbus is obviously the winner on the day when
it comes to When it comes to that, I've flyn
a bit recently and it hasn't really concerned me, but
I have noticed people taking a lot more care and
a lot more responsibility to what the flight attendants are saying.
(06:31):
You know, there've been a lot more cautious around food
and drink service. Everyone's got their seat belts on, especially
when there when they're sea said, and I think that
that's not necessarily a bad thing. But when it turbulence
does start, it does really row through your mind what's
been happening around the world, and it is a bit scary.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
But I'm with you, Joe. I like getting out and
about so I will still be flying for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I find that the easy solution to this is you
just keep your seat belt.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
On, right. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
Absolutely, And news Hub, we are heading into a week
of big change in the media landscape in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You've been in the media for a long time, You've
seen it shift and turn in various different ways. Do
you think we're going to miss news SOB at the
end of the week.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Oh, I think it will leave a gap. But like
you say, Francesca, I've been in the media probably twenty
five plus years now, and over that time, the industry
has been in a constant state of change, and media
institutions have come and gone in response to the market
and the audience. And so there. I mean, I just
(07:41):
respect to the people whose jobs are affected. I feel
tremendous sympathy for them. Many of them are people that
I know but I see that. You know, people move on.
But I suppose you know, it's tricky when things when
there is change, this in the media, the media reports
on it, and we're all very passionate about it because
we are journalists and people sort of you hear that noise,
(08:04):
you know, Oh well, jobs change all the time. But
you know, I think, you know, we need a robust
and diverse for the state to hold our elected officials
and our corporations to account and raise these issues that
affect us all every day. And so you know, it's
interesting times. We will we have that in the future
(08:28):
in any way that is not government funded, because I'm
not sure the advertiser revenue supported model is actually something
that can work.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It's going to be an emotional week for the crew, Chris,
and of course, you know, my heart goes out to
anybody going through that process of redundancies, you know, in
any industry. But will you miss it, Chris.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Oh well, we all miss it hugely.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I mean, obviously the wider team in news tub position
is a strong part of the work that we do
in publicity. But I think the part that I'm sort
of the most sad about is, you know, those are
pro that disappeared both across TV and Z and with
news Hub. You know, we're talking about the late news
and the AM Show and that sort of stuff. You know,
those are the places where journalists of the future and
cruise of the future. That's where they were starting their careers.
(09:18):
That's where they were going in and learning, you know,
on the ground floor how to do these jobs and
to kind of bring us those news items. And I
really feel sad that those opportunities are disappearing.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I think that's going to be really challenging to.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Keep our market buoyant and offer it as a really
sort of wise career choice for.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Young people coming through. It's a huge loss and and
you know, I agree with you, Joe.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
There's been so much movement in the media and things
come and go, and I do hope that those people
that are coming in those roles will find new places
to go and new outlets will pop up. But yeah,
it's a very challenging time and my thoughts are with
them completely this week.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, that's a really good point, Chris, Thank you so much,
Joe mccarell and Christine for joining us on the panel.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudken. Listen
live to news talks they'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudgin
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Edb joining me now on the panel. We have got
journalists and editor Joe mccarell.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Good morning, Joe, Good morning, Franchesca.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And we've also got director at eight one eight Publicity,
Chris Henry. How are you this morning, Chris ih cured,
I'm well, thank you, How are you very good? Thank you?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Hey. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
At the top of our show this morning, we started
by talking to a US correspondent about the fallout from
the Trump Biden presidential debate, which took place Friday our time.
I'm not sure if either of you saw it, but
when I started watching it, I did have a little
moment where I wondered what on earth I was watching
because it was not what I expected from either of them,
and then it continued to kind of just get worse,
(00:50):
mostly for Biden. And I can completely understand why there
are a lot of concerns and the Democratic Party right now.
So Joe, maybe you could help them out sort this
proper mount for them? What do we do with Joe
Biden as the Democratic commeny.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I did do debating at school. Francesca and I would
like to say I will step up, because I would
say anyone really who had the most you know, well prepared,
intelligent person, they should be running rings around Trump. I
think you absolutely called it earlier. Biden does need to
step down and be replaced. I do not think he
(01:26):
is fit to do the job. And that is such
a terrifying prospect. You know, you've got one administration that's
likely to uphold democracy and one that is fairly likely
to be ushering in theoretical dictatorship.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I mean, it's a crazy option for Americans to have
in the first place. Between between the two, it's a
large country. You think to yourself, could you not have
found somebody else? I don't think I think he should
step down, Chris, but I don't think he will. I
think it's going to be even more of a risk
for the Democrats to try and work out how to
replace him. How do you feel about.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
It, Oh, I think sometimes you've just got to met
when you've got it wrong and and pivot.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
At this point that it's probably going to be a
bit challenging to try and do it.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
But it doesn't look like a man that is suitable
or even possible to be a president. You know, we
came out of looking at that debate actually feeling like
perhaps Donald Trump might be the right choice, and that
is wild in itself.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Okay, So, Chris, if you were dealing with the public
relations around this, with the Biden game, what would you
be saying. What advice would you be giving Biden.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Well, I'm judging a lot of money, because would be
quite a big job, But I would say, you know,
now is the time to step down. He's an elderly gentleman,
and for the good of the country, it is time
to somebody that is younger, with fresh ideas to be
able to galvanize the.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
People of America and move forward on it.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I can imagine being a young person in America at
the moment looking at politics must feel very uninspiring to
know that you're the direction of your country is down
to these two choices. So I really think it's a
time to fall on your sword, to thank the people
for the work that you've.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Done so far, and move aside to that someone.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Pressure and with a bit more energy and now is
to be able to take the job from there, because he.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Can do that. At the moment, Joe with his reputation,
his integrity intact correct, and I just worry that if
he carries on that will diminish as much as his performance.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
He will be involved in a really significant sort of
political moment. Yeah, I actually have no I intend no
disrespect to Biden. You know, I think he has a
competent experience professional but I believe that someone who is
in their eighties, they absolutely have a contribution to make,
but it's in the emeritus professor kind of role rather
(03:44):
than heading up the whole thing. I mean, he did
have most of the right answers, it's just he could
hardly get them out.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, no, it is.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I mean, look, Chris, do you sit here in New Zealand?
And I mean I watched it out of interest and
was pretty concerned with what I saw because I kind
of believe that what happens in a country is sort
of as powerful as the United States can have an
impact on various different geopolitical situations around the world. But
actually I feel like this is kind of up to
(04:14):
the whole entertainment factor too. Of the selection.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Oh, it absolutely has.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
But I think that politics and entertainment and probably one
of the areas of life that shouldn't coexist with each other.
It's just too important. You know, America is still a
massive country and wields a huge amount of power in
the world, and to have somebody that is not suitable
to run.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
It is scary for all of us.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I get the idea of how these sort of debates
can create clicks and get people engaged, but it's just
a bit more serious then, and I suppose that I
hope the American people get get a solution that does
work for them.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I felt like I was watching something I shouldn't be watching.
Do you enjoy flying?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Look, I wouldn't say I enjoy it, but I love
traveling and flying as part of it. But flying, in
the end, you're in a middle tube and you can't
do anything you want, even when you're flying up the front,
which every now and again I've had the opportunity to do.
It's yeah, I don't think it's a particularly comfortable way
to get about taking a.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Look at sort of the headlines that we're seeing about
turbulence and lightning strikes and unfortunately plain malfunctions. Is it
Does it make your seeking guess? Flying will make it
a little bit more nervous?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Well, I sometimes to get a bit nervous flying. But
I have this very comforting thought which I will put
out to New Zealanders, which is you are far more
likely to win the lottery than Diana Plane. And given
how hard I find that to do, I take comfort
in that thought.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Okay, so that's me picking up a lot of ticket
on the way home. What about what about you, Chris,
do you second guess flying? We had an amazing agation
specialist on in our first hour of the show's day
which he really did kind of reassure me about the
stability tea really in the in the safety of planes
we fly in these days.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Well, it's definitely moved me to a point where I
take a little bit more notice on my plane ticket
about which brand of planes that I'm flying in. And
definitely Airbus is obviously the winner on the day when
it comes to When it comes to that, I've flyn
a bit recently and it hasn't really concerned me, but
I have noticed people taking a lot more care and
a lot more responsibility to what the flight attendants are saying.
(06:31):
You know, there've been a lot more cautious around food
and drink service. Everyone's got their seat belts on, especially
when there when they're sea said, and I think that
that's not necessarily a bad thing. But when it turbulence
does start, it does really row through your mind what's
been happening around the world, and it is a bit scary.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
But I'm with you, Joe. I like getting out and
about so I will still be flying for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I find that the easy solution to this is you
just keep your seat belt.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
On, right. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
Absolutely, And news Hub, we are heading into a week
of big change in the media landscape in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You've been in the media for a long time, You've
seen it shift and turn in various different ways. Do
you think we're going to miss news SOB at the
end of the week.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Oh, I think it will leave a gap. But like
you say, Francesca, I've been in the media probably twenty
five plus years now, and over that time, the industry
has been in a constant state of change, and media
institutions have come and gone in response to the market
and the audience. And so there. I mean, I just
(07:41):
respect to the people whose jobs are affected. I feel
tremendous sympathy for them. Many of them are people that
I know but I see that. You know, people move on.
But I suppose you know, it's tricky when things when
there is change, this in the media, the media reports
on it, and we're all very passionate about it because
we are journalists and people sort of you hear that noise,
(08:04):
you know, Oh well, jobs change all the time. But
you know, I think, you know, we need a robust
and diverse for the state to hold our elected officials
and our corporations to account and raise these issues that
affect us all every day. And so you know, it's
interesting times. We will we have that in the future
(08:28):
in any way that is not government funded, because I'm
not sure the advertiser revenue supported model is actually something
that can work.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It's going to be an emotional week for the crew, Chris,
and of course, you know, my heart goes out to
anybody going through that process of redundancies, you know, in
any industry. But will you miss it, Chris.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Oh well, we all miss it hugely.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I mean, obviously the wider team in news tub position
is a strong part of the work that we do
in publicity. But I think the part that I'm sort
of the most sad about is, you know, those are
pro that disappeared both across TV and Z and with
news Hub. You know, we're talking about the late news
and the AM Show and that sort of stuff. You know,
those are the places where journalists of the future and
cruise of the future. That's where they were starting their careers.
(09:18):
That's where they were going in and learning, you know,
on the ground floor how to do these jobs and
to kind of bring us those news items. And I
really feel sad that those opportunities are disappearing.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I think that's going to be really challenging to.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Keep our market buoyant and offer it as a really
sort of wise career choice for.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Young people coming through. It's a huge loss and and
you know, I agree with you, Joe.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
There's been so much movement in the media and things
come and go, and I do hope that those people
that are coming in those roles will find new places
to go and new outlets will pop up. But yeah,
it's a very challenging time and my thoughts are with
them completely this week.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, that's a really good point, Chris, Thank you so much,
Joe mccarell and Christine for joining us on the panel.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudken. Listen
live to news talks they'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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