January 25, 2025 • 7 mins
This week on the Sunday Panel, Newstalk ZB host Roman Travers and editor and journalist Jo McCarroll joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the week - and more!
Prime Minister Chris Luxon took aim at New Zealand's 'culture of saying no' as part of last week's State of the Nation address? Does he have a point?
Meanwhile in the US, Donald Trump has returned to the White House and signed a slew of executive actions in his first few days in office. What do we make of the last few days?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudgin
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And joining me today on the panel, we have News
Talks AB host Roman Travers Morning Morning Morning and editor
and journalist Joe McCarroll. How are you, Joe welcome?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Oh I am thriving.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Oh that's good to hear.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Love the positivity, Love the positivity. Are you going to
say yes more to life this year? Joe? Just not
in general, like the Prime Minister. I mean, I think
he's probably got a point here. I think sometimes we
find too many barriers or too many reasons why something's
too hard, as opposed to going okay, let's find a
(00:48):
way to balance everything out, make sure we're ticking all
the boxes, but still move forward with things.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, there's a simplistic truth to it, isn't there. Francisca,
Like I agree with this sentiment. I think it's a
nation we skewter that sort of defensive attitude. Maybe we
could like rather than saying no, because we could be yes.
But you know, but I think it is there is
systemic policy barriers to some of what he's promising, the
(01:18):
future of limitless private foreign investment, and it's not as
simple as just removing the barriers of the resources management acts.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, I've got concerns with that too, Joe. That whole drill,
baby drill, you know, dig the big holes, get all
the stuff out of the ground. I do worry about
that to some extent, because the reason why we have
these barriers in place that we currently want to diminish
is because some idiot would have got things wrong in
the past, and so we had to have restrictions in place.
So it's all very well to say, let's get on
with it, but not at the cost of the environment.
(01:53):
We have to remember that half the reason why people
come to New Zealand is because it looks clean and green.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
No, absolutely, and look, making money is one thing, but
many New Zealanders I think we'll still want the government
to balance this sort of magmatic approach with consideration and
respect for affected communities and the environment and the treaty
and things. Joe, I still don't think it hurts to
kind of launch into things with a slightly more we
can do hard things attitude.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I agree. I mean, I think he's right when he
makes a point about we do have this tendency to
skew to no, and I think we can look at that,
we can look at that as a nation. I agree
with Roman completely. I had Shane Jones on the radio.
You know, it's saying using them would be the easiest
place in the world to extract resources. That is not
(02:42):
a race I am looking to win. You know. I
don't think there's a country in the world which has
opened up its natural resources to foreign interest that's gone
well for the local people. But you know, I think
that's an appealing sentiment. I think saying let's just do things.
I think it's part of Trump's pell. I think it's
point lym Dan made in his op ed. But it
(03:05):
as always it's a little too.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Simple, isn't it. And then you've got David seem more
like an excited chihuahua saying sell everything, sell everything. You know,
I do have worries about we're seen to have all
this pushing and pulling within this coalition, but that's what
you get when you get a coalition.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Right, But then you've got the checks and balances, which
is an election, and you know.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I just I feel like it's it's been reduced to
these really simplistic latitudes probably that's a shame, you know,
Can we not as a nation have like a more
sophisticated discussion about it, where we recognize it's more challenging
than that, it's not as simple as that. And then
of course you're challenge and I'm sure there'll be people listening. Oh,
(03:52):
you know, that's just the wo karate trying to stop
me from putting a house in the back section. And
I just wish we could have a more sophisticated discussion
around it.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But I think that will come.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I think you're right. I mean, there is when you're
doing sort of a state of a nation, you're trying
to sum up sort of an awful lot, it does
end up getting simplified in the way it's presented. But
I do hope that those conversations will come.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Internationally. I feel that the discourse has been simplified to
such an extent and it's no good for anyone to
be so reductionist and so simplistic and act like these
are simple problems. They're not simple problems. They're challenging problems
with a numerous factors that you need to consider.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
This is very disappointing joke because I've taken on these
two challenges that the Prime Minister has suggested, you know,
economic growth in saying yes, I've taken that into my
house and said, okay, guys, twenty twenty five is what
we're going to do. I want economic growth from every
single one of you. And could you please say yes
more often when I ask you to do something? I
thought that would quite good.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
But chick in at the end of a year or
how the economic growth.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Is going, we'll see how the nation went, and then
we'll see how my household went. I'm not holding out
a huge amount of hope, to be honest, Joe. You've
sort of talked about the sort of you know, politic
it's on a global scale here, and of course it's
been an extraordinary week in the US and we've had
a tsunami of news coming out of the States since Trump,
of course took office. Roman If you were going to
(05:19):
try and describe Trump's first days and a sentence, what
would you come up with?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Actually wrote something down, because I did my homework based
on what you asked me to do. I wrote down
the Balleicos Bravado is alive and well with Trump, and
that's it. In a nutshell, because I have concerns. I
don't really care if they voted for him. Good luck,
good luck with them, apples. Let's see what happens. I
do have concerns for the world, though, beyond the US,
when he wants to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord
(05:44):
and from the World Health Organization. God helped the poor
people of the world. Right, That's it. That's what I got.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
What about you, Joe, Oh, I've enjoy the bread and
circuses en route to Gilliad. By the gentle light of
the burning planet would be sent.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Somebody in my family mentioned Gilliad during this week as well. Joe.
You know what I just all I can say is
he is proving to be a man of his word.
You know what, at the end of the day he said,
I'm going to do all this, whether it all whether
he pulls it all off or not. How much pushback
there is, how this all unfolds, we are going to
have to wait and see. It's going to be really
(06:24):
interesting to see the reaction of the American people the
reality of what they've promised to put into action.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Joe, don't you think it sounds like to me? It
looks like an excited schoolboy in a lollipop shop. He's
running around licking all the lollipops but not actually buying one.
Do you know, do you get that impression that he's like,
look at me, I've got all these promises and I'm
going to do it all today.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
But I mean in doing so, he's undermining the rule
of law. And where does that lead you? Yeah? I
thought that in the inauguration with the lineup of billionaires
in the front row, Is this what you want? An
unelected oligarchy where I mean, I think most of us
(07:05):
are closer to being homeless than we are of being billionaires.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So no, absolutely, Joe, I think what is it? I
think one percent of Americans own thirty five percent of
its wealth and capital. The bottom fifty percent of Americans
own I think one point five percent of it. Like,
it's just I mean, the conditions are ripe for an oligarchy.
Joe and Roman, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Roman.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You're back this afternoon, aren't you. We can collective busy man,
and thank you in advance for taking care of the
Sunday session for me next Sunday as well. I'm going
to take a quick break, but we're going to keep
you working, but you promise me you'll take a holiday sink.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to news Talks it'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudgin
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And joining me today on the panel, we have News
Talks AB host Roman Travers Morning Morning Morning and editor
and journalist Joe McCarroll. How are you, Joe welcome?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Oh I am thriving.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Oh that's good to hear.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Love the positivity, Love the positivity. Are you going to
say yes more to life this year? Joe? Just not
in general, like the Prime Minister. I mean, I think
he's probably got a point here. I think sometimes we
find too many barriers or too many reasons why something's
too hard, as opposed to going okay, let's find a
(00:48):
way to balance everything out, make sure we're ticking all
the boxes, but still move forward with things.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, there's a simplistic truth to it, isn't there. Francisca,
Like I agree with this sentiment. I think it's a
nation we skewter that sort of defensive attitude. Maybe we
could like rather than saying no, because we could be yes.
But you know, but I think it is there is
systemic policy barriers to some of what he's promising, the
(01:18):
future of limitless private foreign investment, and it's not as
simple as just removing the barriers of the resources management acts.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah, I've got concerns with that too, Joe. That whole drill,
baby drill, you know, dig the big holes, get all
the stuff out of the ground. I do worry about
that to some extent, because the reason why we have
these barriers in place that we currently want to diminish
is because some idiot would have got things wrong in
the past, and so we had to have restrictions in place.
So it's all very well to say, let's get on
with it, but not at the cost of the environment.
(01:53):
We have to remember that half the reason why people
come to New Zealand is because it looks clean and green.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
No, absolutely, and look, making money is one thing, but
many New Zealanders I think we'll still want the government
to balance this sort of magmatic approach with consideration and
respect for affected communities and the environment and the treaty
and things. Joe, I still don't think it hurts to
kind of launch into things with a slightly more we
can do hard things attitude.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I agree. I mean, I think he's right when he
makes a point about we do have this tendency to
skew to no, and I think we can look at that,
we can look at that as a nation. I agree
with Roman completely. I had Shane Jones on the radio.
You know, it's saying using them would be the easiest
place in the world to extract resources. That is not
(02:42):
a race I am looking to win. You know. I
don't think there's a country in the world which has
opened up its natural resources to foreign interest that's gone
well for the local people. But you know, I think
that's an appealing sentiment. I think saying let's just do things.
I think it's part of Trump's pell. I think it's
point lym Dan made in his op ed. But it
(03:05):
as always it's a little too.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Simple, isn't it. And then you've got David seem more
like an excited chihuahua saying sell everything, sell everything. You know,
I do have worries about we're seen to have all
this pushing and pulling within this coalition, but that's what
you get when you get a coalition.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Right, But then you've got the checks and balances, which
is an election, and you know.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I just I feel like it's it's been reduced to
these really simplistic latitudes probably that's a shame, you know,
Can we not as a nation have like a more
sophisticated discussion about it, where we recognize it's more challenging
than that, it's not as simple as that. And then
of course you're challenge and I'm sure there'll be people listening. Oh,
(03:52):
you know, that's just the wo karate trying to stop
me from putting a house in the back section. And
I just wish we could have a more sophisticated discussion
around it.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But I think that will come.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I think you're right. I mean, there is when you're
doing sort of a state of a nation, you're trying
to sum up sort of an awful lot, it does
end up getting simplified in the way it's presented. But
I do hope that those conversations will come.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Internationally. I feel that the discourse has been simplified to
such an extent and it's no good for anyone to
be so reductionist and so simplistic and act like these
are simple problems. They're not simple problems. They're challenging problems
with a numerous factors that you need to consider.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
This is very disappointing joke because I've taken on these
two challenges that the Prime Minister has suggested, you know,
economic growth in saying yes, I've taken that into my
house and said, okay, guys, twenty twenty five is what
we're going to do. I want economic growth from every
single one of you. And could you please say yes
more often when I ask you to do something? I
thought that would quite good.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
But chick in at the end of a year or
how the economic growth.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Is going, we'll see how the nation went, and then
we'll see how my household went. I'm not holding out
a huge amount of hope, to be honest, Joe. You've
sort of talked about the sort of you know, politic
it's on a global scale here, and of course it's
been an extraordinary week in the US and we've had
a tsunami of news coming out of the States since Trump,
of course took office. Roman If you were going to
(05:19):
try and describe Trump's first days and a sentence, what
would you come up with?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Actually wrote something down, because I did my homework based
on what you asked me to do. I wrote down
the Balleicos Bravado is alive and well with Trump, and
that's it. In a nutshell, because I have concerns. I
don't really care if they voted for him. Good luck,
good luck with them, apples. Let's see what happens. I
do have concerns for the world, though, beyond the US,
when he wants to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord
(05:44):
and from the World Health Organization. God helped the poor
people of the world. Right, That's it. That's what I got.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
What about you, Joe, Oh, I've enjoy the bread and
circuses en route to Gilliad. By the gentle light of
the burning planet would be sent.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Somebody in my family mentioned Gilliad during this week as well. Joe.
You know what I just all I can say is
he is proving to be a man of his word.
You know what, at the end of the day he said,
I'm going to do all this, whether it all whether
he pulls it all off or not. How much pushback
there is, how this all unfolds, we are going to
have to wait and see. It's going to be really
(06:24):
interesting to see the reaction of the American people the
reality of what they've promised to put into action.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Joe, don't you think it sounds like to me? It
looks like an excited schoolboy in a lollipop shop. He's
running around licking all the lollipops but not actually buying one.
Do you know, do you get that impression that he's like,
look at me, I've got all these promises and I'm
going to do it all today.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
But I mean in doing so, he's undermining the rule
of law. And where does that lead you? Yeah? I
thought that in the inauguration with the lineup of billionaires
in the front row, Is this what you want? An
unelected oligarchy where I mean, I think most of us
(07:05):
are closer to being homeless than we are of being billionaires.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So no, absolutely, Joe, I think what is it? I
think one percent of Americans own thirty five percent of
its wealth and capital. The bottom fifty percent of Americans
own I think one point five percent of it. Like,
it's just I mean, the conditions are ripe for an oligarchy.
Joe and Roman, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Roman.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You're back this afternoon, aren't you. We can collective busy man,
and thank you in advance for taking care of the
Sunday session for me next Sunday as well. I'm going
to take a quick break, but we're going to keep
you working, but you promise me you'll take a holiday sink.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to news Talks it'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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