October 19, 2024 • 8 mins
Today on The Sunday Panel, broadcaster and journalist Wilhelmina Shrimpton and partner at Freebairn and Hehir Lawyers, Liam Hehir, joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the week- and more!
Another great day for Team New Zealand in the America's Cup- but there's not a lot of interest. Should the next defence be held in New Zealand? How can we get Kiwis interested?
The UK has floated utilising weight-loss drugs to curb unemployment. Do we think this is a good idea - or do we worry about the ethical use of these drugs?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB all the highs and lows talking
the big issues of the week. The Panel on the
Sunday Session.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes, it's time for the panel and joining me today
we have broadcaster and journalist Wilhelmina Shrimpton. Hi, Wilhelmina, good morning,
and we also have partner and partner at Freeman and
Heir Lawyers, Liam here.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
How are you Liam?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I Maddy, I'm good, Thank you goode.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Were you excited this morning, Wilhelmina about the America's Cup
and were you celebrating this morning the successive team New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Look definitely awesome news to wake up to. Amazing that
the coup is still ours. It's an epic achievement, no
matter what the competition is. Winning a competition on the
world stage and New Zealand coming out top is incredible.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
But I'm a little bit embarrassed and a.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Little bit guttered to say that I actually haven't watched
any of the races.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't think I really don't think you're on the
own your own there, well, I mean, and I just
made a huge effort this week, this last week, when
we finally got to the sort of the pointing of
the competition to kind of get involved, I suppose the question,
I mean, I don't think that this America's Cup is
ever coming back to New zeal And. Liam. Do you
would you like to see it come back to New Zealand?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Do you not?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You not quite so connected with it because it's it's
not here?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, well, I mean, look, you know, I've come from
the great Inland Empire of the Men or two, right,
and so you know sailing is failing is not a
thing here really, and so you know, compeg Auklands, I've
never really felt that investment in it, and I haven't
watched a second of it. I've watched a second of
the America's Cup since since we blew it all that time,
(01:49):
all those years ago, about three.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Or four to San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's a but. And look, but having said
all that, you know, it's it's a it's a good
local thing for it's good for the local boat building industry,
it's good for hospitality, and awkward to have it there
because the type of people who do care about the
America's Cup tend to be the type of well heeled
people who have money to spend, right, So I would
like to see it come back just for the economic reasons,
(02:15):
But you know, I just think it might be a
bridge too far by. Now we're now that we're in
the norm of it being elsewhere, it will always be elsewhere,
it seems.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I think that's the case as well. I think there
is a lot to celebrate. I mean, I'm kind of
over the whole where they're going to hold it, do
whatever you want. I'm kind of over that. Yet this morning,
after watching them win, I thought back to the last
time they won here and that I was at the
I went down to the viaduct and it was so
much fun to be part of it. So there was
a little moment where I went, oh, I don't quite
feel as engaged with it as I have been in
(02:47):
the past. But I think we've got to stop focusing
Wilhelmina on where it is, but also what it how
it showcases New Zealand the technology on show here. What
we don't have Formula one teams behind us, we don't
have the same kind of potentially money behind us. What
we managed to chief technically, we should be hugely proud
(03:09):
of and this is a way that we should be
selling New Zealand and what we can do here.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Right one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
And look, it actually makes me a little bit sad
because I remember a time back in the nineties when
I was a kid in each race. So I remember
at primary school and every race would be played on
this wheel and TV in the middle of the library,
and we'd all come into school in our lucky red
socks and crowd around and watch this television and it
was a massive deal at the time. And that was
back in the nineties when the races were ten times
as long and the technology was ten times less. I
(03:36):
know a few people like me who also haven't watched
this time around, and I know that a lot of
people would argue that it's because the racing itself wasn't here.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
But I think we need to sit back and remember
that when.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
The All Blacks play overseas, when there's an overseas competition,
people are still crowding around their television. So I think
we really need to be asking the question why people
aren't getting involved. And I think that bringing the competition
back to New Zealand will really help.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
But I reckon.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
There's issues around marketing and even like you were saying, Limb,
they sort of received barriers to entry for a sport
that I think is viewed by many through a lens
where it's this kind of elite it's, you know, a.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Rich person's hobby.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
So it's about breaking it down, bringing in the fan engagement,
making it a big deal, making us want to take
part in it, whether it's on our shows or not.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, I tend to agree.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And you're right about the red soft campaign. When to
take a tape parade, Well, you know, when.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You live in New Zealand, most of our sports people
go overseas to play sports. That's sort of the way
it goes, isn't it. Hey, I want to talk to
you guys about weight loss drugs. This week the UK
floated looking at weight loss drugs to curb worklessness, and
in fact, the UK government has announced that they're going
to do a trial with one of these drugs to
(04:49):
see if it can have an impact. Do you worry
about the ethical use of these drugs? I mean, obviously
these weight loss drugs they are working. That's why there's
sort of this game changer. They could have a huge
impact on our health systems and the quality of life
that obeat people have. But should we be going so
far them? Do you think ethically is to suggest that somebody,
(05:12):
you know, an unemployed person, might like to go on
the drug which you potentially have to be on for
the rest of your life in order to get a job.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Well, look, I thought you had a really good podcast
on that this week, by the way, too, and so
if anyone ever picked up should listen to it. I'm
in two minds. I'm someone who has struggled with my
weight all my adult life and one of those people
who was as skinny as a bean pole all the
way through until adulthood, and then all of a sudden
it came back with a vengeance. And so I follow
(05:40):
it with a great deal of interest because I've tried
everything right in my life, you know, and I just
don't have the discipline perhaps to keep on top of it,
and so bet card any any additional tool I think
is a really interesting and important to watch. What I
come back to though, is vaping. And I remember, you know,
when vaping was announced as a brilliant smoking succession. That
(06:04):
is a tool, just session tools some people from smoking,
and it was it was so much more safe than smoking,
and the net plus for the health system of getting
people off making onto vaping was really quite clear. But
you know, we did kind of rush into that vaping,
you know, sort of established a very strong market and
foothold before we really thought it through, before we had
(06:27):
considered all the information. And now we've got people going
straight from nothing to vaping, right, And so I just
have in the back of my mind just that concern
that again, for all the best intensions in the world,
all the promise, you know, we just have to make
sure that we don't repeat that mistake again.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
What are your thoughts going to mean?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Now?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah, it's a really delicate dance, and I think it's
really important that obviously we're innovating and finding new ways
to help people, and obviously there are people who can't
do it without a little bit of a bit of
a hand up and a bit of assistance to not
shit extra extra weight that they need to and stay healthy.
But there's obviously that fine line.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I've seen things about how people who are actually needing
the medicine for its true intended purpose aren't able to
access it, and that's where the problem lies.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Obviously, everything is innovating.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Drugs are innovating, medicine, patient treatments are innovating and constantly evolving,
and that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
We're going to find other uses for drugs.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
But I just think it's important it doesn't come at
the expense of someone else who really needs it for
an immediate health purpose, and that people don't become to
reliant on it. And I think what you were saying
Liam as well, I think around with vaping. You know,
the whole issue is that what it was pitched as is,
like you say, the smoking cessation tool, and people were
saying it's way healthier than smoking, but there were no
(07:44):
longeritudinal studies and there still really isn't much evidence to
suggest what the health outcomes are. So I think it's
important that the research is done to make sure that
there aren't adverse effects as well, and then long term effects.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Willim Inistring and Liam here, thank you so much for
your time today. And the podcast that Liam was referring
to was our final podcast in season three of The
Little Things Really Interesting. If you are interested at all
in these weight loss drugs, we talk about what is
available here in New Zealand, who can get it, how
you get it, how they work, the risks involved in
(08:16):
and the long term risks as well. So you'll be
able to find that at iHeartRadio or wherever you get
your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to news Talks that Be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB all the highs and lows talking
the big issues of the week. The Panel on the
Sunday Session.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes, it's time for the panel and joining me today
we have broadcaster and journalist Wilhelmina Shrimpton. Hi, Wilhelmina, good morning,
and we also have partner and partner at Freeman and
Heir Lawyers, Liam here.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
How are you Liam?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I Maddy, I'm good, Thank you goode.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Were you excited this morning, Wilhelmina about the America's Cup
and were you celebrating this morning the successive team New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Look definitely awesome news to wake up to. Amazing that
the coup is still ours. It's an epic achievement, no
matter what the competition is. Winning a competition on the
world stage and New Zealand coming out top is incredible.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
But I'm a little bit embarrassed and a.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Little bit guttered to say that I actually haven't watched
any of the races.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't think I really don't think you're on the
own your own there, well, I mean, and I just
made a huge effort this week, this last week, when
we finally got to the sort of the pointing of
the competition to kind of get involved, I suppose the question,
I mean, I don't think that this America's Cup is
ever coming back to New zeal And. Liam. Do you
would you like to see it come back to New Zealand?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Do you not?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You not quite so connected with it because it's it's
not here?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, well, I mean, look, you know, I've come from
the great Inland Empire of the Men or two, right,
and so you know sailing is failing is not a
thing here really, and so you know, compeg Auklands, I've
never really felt that investment in it, and I haven't
watched a second of it. I've watched a second of
the America's Cup since since we blew it all that time,
(01:49):
all those years ago, about three.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Or four to San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's a but. And look, but having said
all that, you know, it's it's a it's a good
local thing for it's good for the local boat building industry,
it's good for hospitality, and awkward to have it there
because the type of people who do care about the
America's Cup tend to be the type of well heeled
people who have money to spend, right, So I would
like to see it come back just for the economic reasons,
(02:15):
But you know, I just think it might be a
bridge too far by. Now we're now that we're in
the norm of it being elsewhere, it will always be elsewhere,
it seems.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I think that's the case as well. I think there
is a lot to celebrate. I mean, I'm kind of
over the whole where they're going to hold it, do
whatever you want. I'm kind of over that. Yet this morning,
after watching them win, I thought back to the last
time they won here and that I was at the
I went down to the viaduct and it was so
much fun to be part of it. So there was
a little moment where I went, oh, I don't quite
feel as engaged with it as I have been in
(02:47):
the past. But I think we've got to stop focusing
Wilhelmina on where it is, but also what it how
it showcases New Zealand the technology on show here. What
we don't have Formula one teams behind us, we don't
have the same kind of potentially money behind us. What
we managed to chief technically, we should be hugely proud
(03:09):
of and this is a way that we should be
selling New Zealand and what we can do here.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Right one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
And look, it actually makes me a little bit sad
because I remember a time back in the nineties when
I was a kid in each race. So I remember
at primary school and every race would be played on
this wheel and TV in the middle of the library,
and we'd all come into school in our lucky red
socks and crowd around and watch this television and it
was a massive deal at the time. And that was
back in the nineties when the races were ten times
as long and the technology was ten times less. I
(03:36):
know a few people like me who also haven't watched
this time around, and I know that a lot of
people would argue that it's because the racing itself wasn't here.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
But I think we need to sit back and remember
that when.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
The All Blacks play overseas, when there's an overseas competition,
people are still crowding around their television. So I think
we really need to be asking the question why people
aren't getting involved. And I think that bringing the competition
back to New Zealand will really help.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
But I reckon.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
There's issues around marketing and even like you were saying, Limb,
they sort of received barriers to entry for a sport
that I think is viewed by many through a lens
where it's this kind of elite it's, you know, a.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Rich person's hobby.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
So it's about breaking it down, bringing in the fan engagement,
making it a big deal, making us want to take
part in it, whether it's on our shows or not.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, I tend to agree.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And you're right about the red soft campaign. When to
take a tape parade, Well, you know, when.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You live in New Zealand, most of our sports people
go overseas to play sports. That's sort of the way
it goes, isn't it. Hey, I want to talk to
you guys about weight loss drugs. This week the UK
floated looking at weight loss drugs to curb worklessness, and
in fact, the UK government has announced that they're going
to do a trial with one of these drugs to
(04:49):
see if it can have an impact. Do you worry
about the ethical use of these drugs? I mean, obviously
these weight loss drugs they are working. That's why there's
sort of this game changer. They could have a huge
impact on our health systems and the quality of life
that obeat people have. But should we be going so
far them? Do you think ethically is to suggest that somebody,
(05:12):
you know, an unemployed person, might like to go on
the drug which you potentially have to be on for
the rest of your life in order to get a job.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Well, look, I thought you had a really good podcast
on that this week, by the way, too, and so
if anyone ever picked up should listen to it. I'm
in two minds. I'm someone who has struggled with my
weight all my adult life and one of those people
who was as skinny as a bean pole all the
way through until adulthood, and then all of a sudden
it came back with a vengeance. And so I follow
(05:40):
it with a great deal of interest because I've tried
everything right in my life, you know, and I just
don't have the discipline perhaps to keep on top of it,
and so bet card any any additional tool I think
is a really interesting and important to watch. What I
come back to though, is vaping. And I remember, you know,
when vaping was announced as a brilliant smoking succession. That
(06:04):
is a tool, just session tools some people from smoking,
and it was it was so much more safe than smoking,
and the net plus for the health system of getting
people off making onto vaping was really quite clear. But
you know, we did kind of rush into that vaping,
you know, sort of established a very strong market and
foothold before we really thought it through, before we had
(06:27):
considered all the information. And now we've got people going
straight from nothing to vaping, right, And so I just
have in the back of my mind just that concern
that again, for all the best intensions in the world,
all the promise, you know, we just have to make
sure that we don't repeat that mistake again.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
What are your thoughts going to mean?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Now?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah, it's a really delicate dance, and I think it's
really important that obviously we're innovating and finding new ways
to help people, and obviously there are people who can't
do it without a little bit of a bit of
a hand up and a bit of assistance to not
shit extra extra weight that they need to and stay healthy.
But there's obviously that fine line.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I've seen things about how people who are actually needing
the medicine for its true intended purpose aren't able to
access it, and that's where the problem lies.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Obviously, everything is innovating.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Drugs are innovating, medicine, patient treatments are innovating and constantly evolving,
and that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
We're going to find other uses for drugs.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
But I just think it's important it doesn't come at
the expense of someone else who really needs it for
an immediate health purpose, and that people don't become to
reliant on it. And I think what you were saying
Liam as well, I think around with vaping. You know,
the whole issue is that what it was pitched as is,
like you say, the smoking cessation tool, and people were
saying it's way healthier than smoking, but there were no
(07:44):
longeritudinal studies and there still really isn't much evidence to
suggest what the health outcomes are. So I think it's
important that the research is done to make sure that
there aren't adverse effects as well, and then long term effects.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Willim Inistring and Liam here, thank you so much for
your time today. And the podcast that Liam was referring
to was our final podcast in season three of The
Little Things Really Interesting. If you are interested at all
in these weight loss drugs, we talk about what is
available here in New Zealand, who can get it, how
you get it, how they work, the risks involved in
(08:16):
and the long term risks as well. So you'll be
able to find that at iHeartRadio or wherever you get
your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to news Talks that Be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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