April 19, 2025 • 13 mins
This week on The Sunday Panel, Newstalk ZB host Roman Travers and partner at Freebairn and Hehir lawyers, Liam Hehir, joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Donald Trump said he could stop the Ukraine war in 24 hours, but he's recently been threatening to abandon peace talks. Should we have seen this coming?
The all-female Blue Origin flight has copped some backlash - do we think this was just a spectacle or did it help further women in STEM?
A new year brings renewed debate about the future of Easter trading laws. Do we need to get rid of them and open up the shops every day? Should we scrap holiday surcharges too?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News talks'd be all the highs and lows talking
the big issues of the week, the panel on the
Sunday Session and.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
On the panel today. We have partner at Freemann and
Heir Lawyers, Liam here. How are you, Liam, Happy Easter.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Happy Easter to you. I'm very well, Thank you for asking.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And we have News Talks. They'd be host Romann Travers
in the studio.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Good morning, Happy Easter, eggs, Happy.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Easter to everybody. Ah, yes, okay, Let's start with President Trump.
He said that he could stop the Ukraine war in
twenty four hours, but now threatens to abandon peace talks.
This is actually hugely disappointing, because I think we would
all like to see something come to an end here.
But are you hugely surprised surprised?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Roman, Oh, not at all. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
It's like watching the world's slowest train crash that never
actually crashes. It's very entertaining or a very bad Netflix series.
I think what is most refreshing, though, from my point
of view, is seeing people like the Senator from Alaska
speaking out Senator Lisa Murkowski actually now not being scared,
but talking about being scared and speaking out against a
(01:13):
guy that at some point they may look to defend
a straight and the sooner the better.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I mean, Liam has is no one taking this seriously?
Is that the problem that Trump, Trump and Rubio and
everyone can say what they want to say, but actually
the end of the day, the Ukraine in Russia have
their own agendas here and they're going to stick to them.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
In their error concilable agendas, right. I mean, look, did
anyone take it seriously when he said he'd bring peace
in twenty four hours? I mean, if it was really
that easy, if anyone could do it, it's like that
it would have been done.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I mean, it was going to be twenty four But
you know.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You know, it's just a look, it's not it's the
least surprising thing in the world. I mean, they having
said that, you know, unless there's no negotiation, unless you
are willing to walk away, right this that is true.
So unless unless you're to walk away and through your
hands up, then there's no point even negotiating. So there
(02:12):
is I suppose some methodge to the madness, but I
don't see a good outcome anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Do you see all this is a negotiating tool on
anybody's side romance or do you think that it is
actually just a bigger and more complex situation than Trump's
team anticipated.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Well, there's a lot of hypocrisy, of course on the
part of the US, because their knees deep in with
the Middle East situation and they are supporting that madman
Nett and Yaho to carry on what he's doing. So
there's a lot of duplicity. And I also see we
lean on the US all the time. We expect the
US to make sensible decisions to end warfare. We're not
seeing that in this situation. Whether he's a puppet of
(02:50):
Putin or not, I don't know that he listens to
his advisors. And when you're watching all of his advisors
over his shoulder. Have you watched the way they're looking
at him, It's like, what are you going to say next?
I think they're all terrified as well.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
It's what we've come to expect, though, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Liam. Well, he's not going countries have interests, right, they
don't Russia and Ukraine and not going to orient their
their decisions around US. Domestic policy. They're just not And
so you know, like I sorry, were hands up in
the air a little bit about it, because you know,
we can, we can criticize Trump and should, and we
(03:27):
certainly should, but he is al sort of situation which
there's no way out, Like it's going to go on
to like ten years, and it's like what else can
I say. It's it's it's it's it's noise, it's it's suppressing.
But there's no way that's going to stop the slaughter.
I don't think anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
What about what about the sanctions?
Speaker 5 (03:50):
We were told from the outset by geopolitical wizards that
the sanctions would crush Russia. What's happened with all this
tactical warfare in that regard? What do you think about that?
It just doesn't seem to be working.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Well, it hasn't worked because it turns out well, Russia
is very very good at mobilizing their economy around around
the war efforts, and so they are willing to endure
costs that we just won't endure in the West, and
they can hang on for a long time. And the
other thing is the force is that they have alternate
tentative markets and names of China and places like that.
(04:24):
So I think, you know, the sanctions would very quickly
bring a Western country to its knees, but it won't
bring their country like Russia to its knee.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And of course they are only that. All is that
with the tariffs which are going on. Europe is saying, look, hey,
we might have a problem with energy, we might have
a problem with this. We might have to return to Russia. Actually,
you know it's going to go. Who knows where it's go. Anyway,
I'd love to move on and talk about the Blue
Origin all female flight that took place. We sent six
women to lower orbit for about ten minutes, so they
(04:53):
photo around and made these lovely videos and came back
and my goodness, me, look, I this to me isn't
sort of this is lovely. It feels like a promotional
kind of you know, brand ad for Origin, but I'm
not sure it's doing a huge amount for women in stem.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Look, I just think it's incredibly weird. I had the
pleasure of watching that live when I was doing an
overnight show. Yeah, and I was glad to this, going,
what are they doing?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
What are they doing? Oh they're back again? What happened.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Now they're all kissing the ground, and Katy Perry's pointing
to the sky and thanking God, and apparently she's saying,
what a wonderful world. If I was in that capsule
and I'd paid all that money, I'd be telling you
to shut up.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And some people wish that she.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Was still all the you're never going to tell.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Imagine someone singing in a top It'd be like someone
farting in a capsule.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
It's far too small. Stop your singing.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It is interesting, though, isn't. I mean, I don't know
how it looks to you. I mean, maybe you know
you've got young children. Maybe this did look like sort
of a wonderful sort of empowerment sort of statement by women,
and that women can do anything. We all know that,
and we know they can go to space. This one
poor woman was just stuck on an international space station
for eight months, you no longer than she thought she would.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Woman have been the space since the since the sixties.
You know, Look, it was a you know, it's whatever,
it's a you know, it's advertising, I suppose, But at
the same time, like you know what, like they haven't fun,
you know, they didn't have to pay for it. Jeff
Besils paid for it, and like I think a lot
of some of the commentary was was a bit harsh
on them, I mean the ealthy that if I had
(06:29):
the opportunity to go to space for even lower orbit
for eleven minutes, I would take it in a second.
I would be just and I would be just stubil
over the top about it, you know, so people haven and.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I'd probably sing up there to Liam.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yes, and someone will tell me or you to shut
up as well. I think the big question that we're
all missing here, and it's quite obvious that once they
all stepped off that spaceship, the big question that no
one was asking was who did you hear in makeup?
They looked absolutely stunning, like they haven't even done anything,
and say look botox that some of them were botox
to the max. It's like, what's going on there? You
(07:04):
go to space and you come back looking like a
boat top supermodel.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Well, it goes to show it, doesn't it as supposed
to come and old. The ultimate consumer object, isn't it
that you can go to space and still look that's
fantastic When you come down, it's quite far away from us.
From the wild Frontier.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Indeed, it certainly is.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Okay, let's talk about easter trading laws. I would really
like to see it change to the easter trading laws.
I'd like to see them simpler, fairer. I'd like businesses
to be able to make their own decisions. They can
talk to their employees, work out themselves whether they open
or close, and let's just move on as if it's
twenty twenty five and not nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Look, it's been a long time since anyone said things
like let's stop for an hour for lunch, or have
a morning tea or an afternoon tea. Those days have
gone right. The only problem I have with seven days
a week trading is that although I love to pot
around a garden shop looking at my hoyer plants and all,
look at that geronium, that's stunning is that someone has
to work there. And if that person doesn't get to
sit there opening their Easter eggs with their children, then
(08:03):
you know what's wrong with the world that you can't
sort your plants out or your booze or whatever your children.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Your kids are up eating those Easter eggs before you've
even thought about leaving gup to work, you'll have that moment.
But a lot of these a lot of these young people.
There's students, the people who need jobs and need work.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
No, look, can I can I just say I'm an
ardent capitalist. You know, issa costs me a lot of money.
I think I gave my employees the whole week off
if they wanted at this time around. But there's three
hundred and sixty five days in the year. And and
the fact is there three and a half where you
can't go and buy a flat screen TV. But those
(08:39):
days do guarantee that for the vast majority of people,
they all have leave at the same time, and they
can do family things at the same time. And if
we want to have a shared national life where you know,
and I said, I'm a Christian, so I'll hate my
you know, I'm Catholic. You know, it's nice for me
to have my holy days also be modern trading their
holiday day. But even if it wasn't that, it's not
(09:01):
the worst thing in the world to have this these
common threads, common beats of life. We're all doing the
same thing at the same time. We've all got the
day off at the same time.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, but we don't know because the rules are so
the rules are so sort of bizarre and weird that
some people are open, some towns are open, some streets
in the town are open. Some businesses can open, some can't.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, you know, but they're less open. Then would be
the case if you just trade treated like any other
trading day, and we would lose. And I and they
said completely, where're coming from? And I'm normally I'm I'm
quite strong on business freedom. But there are a precious
few days where we have that sort of sense of
shared national life, and this is one of them.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
You know what, there are a number of businesses that
are absolutely out there on though scale. When it comes
to people working around the clock, there's radio, which is
twenty four hours a day for real radio like news talks.
There'd be the world's biggest station. And then you've got
the police, you've got ambulance people, you've got hospitals. I
like you, Amma Catholic. And it's funny because you and
I are both on this panel. God bless us both.
I think one of the sad things about Easter is
(10:06):
that we focus on the trading, the buying, the eating.
Why are we all scared to talk about what Easter
is about. People don't like that. Or you can't talk
about God. You'll offend somebody. That's weird, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, well we're not. We're not a Christian country anymore,
and stop it. And we're not sad, but it is
just the fact as well, and we can't force other
people to participate in it. But you know, we can
all enjoy a day with our family. And the reality
is that if some people are working in the shops
and some people are working you're working in cafes, it's
(10:38):
just not going to happen. And I know that there
are people who are already working through ESA, but we
don't need to increase that now.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
And look, you can't. You have the right to say
today no, you have the right to refuse to work today.
It is not it's not a public holiday. So even
though lots of things are shut, which is also this
also gets really confusing, and I prefer we could simplify things.
But you don't get paid time and a half if
you do have to work, if it is your regular
shift and you're at the you're at the garden center,
you're at the local dairy or something. So you you know,
(11:10):
you do actually have at least the right to say
no thanks, and you don't have to give a reason.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Do you know what.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I've got a conspiracy theory here. Liam helped me out
with this one, if you agree with me. Yesterday we
got the civil Defense warning. And one thing that drives
people to the shops a lot is here comes a
public holiday. And when that civil defense warning came out,
apparently the supermarkets when nuts. People buying toilet paper and
water like God was coming.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
The supermarket was nuts all day. And this is my
other thing, Liam, is that I kind of look at
it and go I looked at the staff at the
Pack and Save Royal Oak yesterday, who will run off
their feet? Queues everywhere, No trolleys, couldn't get a car park.
It was absolutely for a netache. And I felt like
if you just opened on Friday.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Market all through University of Victory Sift Market and said
the Saturday was always it was like nuts. That was
it was like it was like it was like a
nuke was going to head or saw something like that,
and you know, likes that's inevitable. I suppose all I'm
saying is there are a precious few things really common
beat national life.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yep, I get that. And so I'd like to finish
on a very important question, Roeman, do we need another
Star Wars film?
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Well, that's a very that's a loaded question, because of
course the answer is no. But the thing is, if
they make one, I'm going to have to watch it.
And I've watched them all. How could you get to
the age of fifty six having watched them since you
were seven?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, I've lost track.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Oh, look, you've got to watch them all in sequence too.
I They're terribly boring, but you've got to watch them all.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I think. Look, I I worry that a franchise that
means so much to me. You know, the first Star
Wars film was the first film I went to a
cinema to see. I can still remember the experience. I
was five years old, I think, and I'm hugely.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Fond of that.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
But I feel the love for it slipping away for
every new franchise and every new TV series they create.
But I suppose Liam, if you throw Ryan Gosling in there,
I could possibly I could probably make it.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
No, listen, listen, I'll tell you, Like everyone here on
the panel, I loved sale it was. It was huge,
it was everything, and in fact, when they may bad
Star Wars content, it makes you so angry. But the
biggest condemnation of it now is I don't care anymore. Yeah,
you know, like this epathy. Now it's moved beyond annoyance
with bad Salars content and too much was content to
(13:20):
just not caring. And I think that's the biggest warning
sign for Disney. Nobody cares anymore, and I don't care anymore.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
I had heard a rumor, and I've heard a rumored
Liam that Katie Perry could be starring in the next
Star Wars movie.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's a very bad rumor, lam Heroman Trevers. It's always
good to have you both on the panel. Thank you
so much for sharing some of your time with us
on Easter Sunday. Appreciated. It is twenty one to twelve.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
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You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News talks'd be all the highs and lows talking
the big issues of the week, the panel on the
Sunday Session and.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
On the panel today. We have partner at Freemann and
Heir Lawyers, Liam here. How are you, Liam, Happy Easter.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Happy Easter to you. I'm very well, Thank you for asking.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And we have News Talks. They'd be host Romann Travers
in the studio.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Good morning, Happy Easter, eggs, Happy.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Easter to everybody. Ah, yes, okay, Let's start with President Trump.
He said that he could stop the Ukraine war in
twenty four hours, but now threatens to abandon peace talks.
This is actually hugely disappointing, because I think we would
all like to see something come to an end here.
But are you hugely surprised surprised?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Roman, Oh, not at all. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
It's like watching the world's slowest train crash that never
actually crashes. It's very entertaining or a very bad Netflix series.
I think what is most refreshing, though, from my point
of view, is seeing people like the Senator from Alaska
speaking out Senator Lisa Murkowski actually now not being scared,
but talking about being scared and speaking out against a
(01:13):
guy that at some point they may look to defend
a straight and the sooner the better.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I mean, Liam has is no one taking this seriously?
Is that the problem that Trump, Trump and Rubio and
everyone can say what they want to say, but actually
the end of the day, the Ukraine in Russia have
their own agendas here and they're going to stick to them.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
In their error concilable agendas, right. I mean, look, did
anyone take it seriously when he said he'd bring peace
in twenty four hours? I mean, if it was really
that easy, if anyone could do it, it's like that
it would have been done.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I mean, it was going to be twenty four But
you know.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You know, it's just a look, it's not it's the
least surprising thing in the world. I mean, they having
said that, you know, unless there's no negotiation, unless you
are willing to walk away, right this that is true.
So unless unless you're to walk away and through your
hands up, then there's no point even negotiating. So there
(02:12):
is I suppose some methodge to the madness, but I
don't see a good outcome anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Do you see all this is a negotiating tool on
anybody's side romance or do you think that it is
actually just a bigger and more complex situation than Trump's
team anticipated.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Well, there's a lot of hypocrisy, of course on the
part of the US, because their knees deep in with
the Middle East situation and they are supporting that madman
Nett and Yaho to carry on what he's doing. So
there's a lot of duplicity. And I also see we
lean on the US all the time. We expect the
US to make sensible decisions to end warfare. We're not
seeing that in this situation. Whether he's a puppet of
(02:50):
Putin or not, I don't know that he listens to
his advisors. And when you're watching all of his advisors
over his shoulder. Have you watched the way they're looking
at him, It's like, what are you going to say next?
I think they're all terrified as well.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
It's what we've come to expect, though, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Liam. Well, he's not going countries have interests, right, they
don't Russia and Ukraine and not going to orient their
their decisions around US. Domestic policy. They're just not And
so you know, like I sorry, were hands up in
the air a little bit about it, because you know,
we can, we can criticize Trump and should, and we
(03:27):
certainly should, but he is al sort of situation which
there's no way out, Like it's going to go on
to like ten years, and it's like what else can
I say. It's it's it's it's it's noise, it's it's suppressing.
But there's no way that's going to stop the slaughter.
I don't think anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
What about what about the sanctions?
Speaker 5 (03:50):
We were told from the outset by geopolitical wizards that
the sanctions would crush Russia. What's happened with all this
tactical warfare in that regard? What do you think about that?
It just doesn't seem to be working.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Well, it hasn't worked because it turns out well, Russia
is very very good at mobilizing their economy around around
the war efforts, and so they are willing to endure
costs that we just won't endure in the West, and
they can hang on for a long time. And the
other thing is the force is that they have alternate
tentative markets and names of China and places like that.
(04:24):
So I think, you know, the sanctions would very quickly
bring a Western country to its knees, but it won't
bring their country like Russia to its knee.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And of course they are only that. All is that
with the tariffs which are going on. Europe is saying, look, hey,
we might have a problem with energy, we might have
a problem with this. We might have to return to Russia. Actually,
you know it's going to go. Who knows where it's go. Anyway,
I'd love to move on and talk about the Blue
Origin all female flight that took place. We sent six
women to lower orbit for about ten minutes, so they
(04:53):
photo around and made these lovely videos and came back
and my goodness, me, look, I this to me isn't
sort of this is lovely. It feels like a promotional
kind of you know, brand ad for Origin, but I'm
not sure it's doing a huge amount for women in stem.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Look, I just think it's incredibly weird. I had the
pleasure of watching that live when I was doing an
overnight show. Yeah, and I was glad to this, going,
what are they doing?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
What are they doing? Oh they're back again? What happened.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Now they're all kissing the ground, and Katy Perry's pointing
to the sky and thanking God, and apparently she's saying,
what a wonderful world. If I was in that capsule
and I'd paid all that money, I'd be telling you
to shut up.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And some people wish that she.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Was still all the you're never going to tell.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Imagine someone singing in a top It'd be like someone
farting in a capsule.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
It's far too small. Stop your singing.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It is interesting, though, isn't. I mean, I don't know
how it looks to you. I mean, maybe you know
you've got young children. Maybe this did look like sort
of a wonderful sort of empowerment sort of statement by women,
and that women can do anything. We all know that,
and we know they can go to space. This one
poor woman was just stuck on an international space station
for eight months, you no longer than she thought she would.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Woman have been the space since the since the sixties.
You know, Look, it was a you know, it's whatever,
it's a you know, it's advertising, I suppose, But at
the same time, like you know what, like they haven't fun,
you know, they didn't have to pay for it. Jeff
Besils paid for it, and like I think a lot
of some of the commentary was was a bit harsh
on them, I mean the ealthy that if I had
(06:29):
the opportunity to go to space for even lower orbit
for eleven minutes, I would take it in a second.
I would be just and I would be just stubil
over the top about it, you know, so people haven and.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I'd probably sing up there to Liam.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yes, and someone will tell me or you to shut
up as well. I think the big question that we're
all missing here, and it's quite obvious that once they
all stepped off that spaceship, the big question that no
one was asking was who did you hear in makeup?
They looked absolutely stunning, like they haven't even done anything,
and say look botox that some of them were botox
to the max. It's like, what's going on there? You
(07:04):
go to space and you come back looking like a
boat top supermodel.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Well, it goes to show it, doesn't it as supposed
to come and old. The ultimate consumer object, isn't it
that you can go to space and still look that's
fantastic When you come down, it's quite far away from us.
From the wild Frontier.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Indeed, it certainly is.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Okay, let's talk about easter trading laws. I would really
like to see it change to the easter trading laws.
I'd like to see them simpler, fairer. I'd like businesses
to be able to make their own decisions. They can
talk to their employees, work out themselves whether they open
or close, and let's just move on as if it's
twenty twenty five and not nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Look, it's been a long time since anyone said things
like let's stop for an hour for lunch, or have
a morning tea or an afternoon tea. Those days have
gone right. The only problem I have with seven days
a week trading is that although I love to pot
around a garden shop looking at my hoyer plants and all,
look at that geronium, that's stunning is that someone has
to work there. And if that person doesn't get to
sit there opening their Easter eggs with their children, then
(08:03):
you know what's wrong with the world that you can't
sort your plants out or your booze or whatever your children.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Your kids are up eating those Easter eggs before you've
even thought about leaving gup to work, you'll have that moment.
But a lot of these a lot of these young people.
There's students, the people who need jobs and need work.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
No, look, can I can I just say I'm an
ardent capitalist. You know, issa costs me a lot of money.
I think I gave my employees the whole week off
if they wanted at this time around. But there's three
hundred and sixty five days in the year. And and
the fact is there three and a half where you
can't go and buy a flat screen TV. But those
(08:39):
days do guarantee that for the vast majority of people,
they all have leave at the same time, and they
can do family things at the same time. And if
we want to have a shared national life where you know,
and I said, I'm a Christian, so I'll hate my
you know, I'm Catholic. You know, it's nice for me
to have my holy days also be modern trading their
holiday day. But even if it wasn't that, it's not
(09:01):
the worst thing in the world to have this these
common threads, common beats of life. We're all doing the
same thing at the same time. We've all got the
day off at the same time.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, but we don't know because the rules are so
the rules are so sort of bizarre and weird that
some people are open, some towns are open, some streets
in the town are open. Some businesses can open, some can't.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, you know, but they're less open. Then would be
the case if you just trade treated like any other
trading day, and we would lose. And I and they
said completely, where're coming from? And I'm normally I'm I'm
quite strong on business freedom. But there are a precious
few days where we have that sort of sense of
shared national life, and this is one of them.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
You know what, there are a number of businesses that
are absolutely out there on though scale. When it comes
to people working around the clock, there's radio, which is
twenty four hours a day for real radio like news talks.
There'd be the world's biggest station. And then you've got
the police, you've got ambulance people, you've got hospitals. I
like you, Amma Catholic. And it's funny because you and
I are both on this panel. God bless us both.
I think one of the sad things about Easter is
(10:06):
that we focus on the trading, the buying, the eating.
Why are we all scared to talk about what Easter
is about. People don't like that. Or you can't talk
about God. You'll offend somebody. That's weird, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, well we're not. We're not a Christian country anymore,
and stop it. And we're not sad, but it is
just the fact as well, and we can't force other
people to participate in it. But you know, we can
all enjoy a day with our family. And the reality
is that if some people are working in the shops
and some people are working you're working in cafes, it's
(10:38):
just not going to happen. And I know that there
are people who are already working through ESA, but we
don't need to increase that now.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
And look, you can't. You have the right to say
today no, you have the right to refuse to work today.
It is not it's not a public holiday. So even
though lots of things are shut, which is also this
also gets really confusing, and I prefer we could simplify things.
But you don't get paid time and a half if
you do have to work, if it is your regular
shift and you're at the you're at the garden center,
you're at the local dairy or something. So you you know,
(11:10):
you do actually have at least the right to say
no thanks, and you don't have to give a reason.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Do you know what.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I've got a conspiracy theory here. Liam helped me out
with this one, if you agree with me. Yesterday we
got the civil Defense warning. And one thing that drives
people to the shops a lot is here comes a
public holiday. And when that civil defense warning came out,
apparently the supermarkets when nuts. People buying toilet paper and
water like God was coming.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
The supermarket was nuts all day. And this is my
other thing, Liam, is that I kind of look at
it and go I looked at the staff at the
Pack and Save Royal Oak yesterday, who will run off
their feet? Queues everywhere, No trolleys, couldn't get a car park.
It was absolutely for a netache. And I felt like
if you just opened on Friday.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Market all through University of Victory Sift Market and said
the Saturday was always it was like nuts. That was
it was like it was like it was like a
nuke was going to head or saw something like that,
and you know, likes that's inevitable. I suppose all I'm
saying is there are a precious few things really common
beat national life.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yep, I get that. And so I'd like to finish
on a very important question, Roeman, do we need another
Star Wars film?
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Well, that's a very that's a loaded question, because of
course the answer is no. But the thing is, if
they make one, I'm going to have to watch it.
And I've watched them all. How could you get to
the age of fifty six having watched them since you
were seven?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, I've lost track.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Oh, look, you've got to watch them all in sequence too.
I They're terribly boring, but you've got to watch them all.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I think. Look, I I worry that a franchise that
means so much to me. You know, the first Star
Wars film was the first film I went to a
cinema to see. I can still remember the experience. I
was five years old, I think, and I'm hugely.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Fond of that.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
But I feel the love for it slipping away for
every new franchise and every new TV series they create.
But I suppose Liam, if you throw Ryan Gosling in there,
I could possibly I could probably make it.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
No, listen, listen, I'll tell you, Like everyone here on
the panel, I loved sale it was. It was huge,
it was everything, and in fact, when they may bad
Star Wars content, it makes you so angry. But the
biggest condemnation of it now is I don't care anymore. Yeah,
you know, like this epathy. Now it's moved beyond annoyance
with bad Salars content and too much was content to
(13:20):
just not caring. And I think that's the biggest warning
sign for Disney. Nobody cares anymore, and I don't care anymore.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
I had heard a rumor, and I've heard a rumored
Liam that Katie Perry could be starring in the next
Star Wars movie.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's a very bad rumor, lam Heroman Trevers. It's always
good to have you both on the panel. Thank you
so much for sharing some of your time with us
on Easter Sunday. Appreciated. It is twenty one to twelve.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudken, listen
live to news Talks there'd be from nine am Sunday,
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