August 3, 2024 • 39 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge was joined by Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Irene Gardiner to discuss the biggest stories of the week that was.
Medals are coming home, the Government introduces roadside drug testing legislation, the youth offender boot camp has started, major prisoner swaps between Russia and the West, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks AB.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Right now, it is time for the panel. By the way,
actually I'm in actually quite a good mood today and
I just sort of thought i'd share it, but that
sometimes parental vicarious pleasure is quite quite a good mood
lift because my daughter had a hockey game and I'm
bit worried it became that noisy parent on the sideline
because she scored four goals, so more than a hat trick,
(00:33):
and I was getting very much who yah. But anyway,
it was It's a great way to start a Saturday,
is all I can say. Anyway. And by the way,
we'll be keeping up to date with actually not keeping
up to date with any of olymp it's what am
I saying. That's going to be something we're going to
cover in the panel. In just a moment, which is
actually not just in just a moment. It's right now
(00:53):
time to introduce my panelists. My first panelist, what can
I say about her? She is and I read this,
she is so in love right now. She is absolutely smitten.
She's smitten with some guy called Ben, and apparently she
definitely sees marriage and children on the cards. I also
think she's a journalist. At times, she's been a newsreader,
(01:15):
and she's got her own media company, Wills and Co.
But please welcome the very much in Love Wilhelmina Kate Trimpton.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I picked the wrong day to come in the day
that it gets uploaded to the Herald website. Oh God, hello,
thanks for having me very much in love, very happy
to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It was a lovely story though, And did you you're
the photo of you in front of the taj Mahalan.
You've been to Paris and everything, and just just the
story about love.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, it has been a bit of a will wind,
a lovely will wind.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah. And the reason I sort of mentioned it is well,
it was I was slightly being mischievous in the way
of introducing But it's nice to celebrate these moments, isn't that?
It was just nice to read you know that you're
you're rocking and rolling, Wills.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
It is.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And look, it's been a long and winding, crazy, wild
journey to get there, and it's just yeah, it's just
nice to just be happy. I think it sounds pretty
simple of it.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
You're really darling day article.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I'm trying to fak news. No, it's not news. It's
all true. It's all true. I mean every word.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Anyway, I don't know how to follow that. My next
guest is she's a long time television producer. I mean,
we use the word long time advisedly because it's not
necessarily that long a time. I just put it in italics.
And she's she's executive producer. She's done heaps in media. Actually,
she was a I think a content producer for New
Zealand on air for a Golden Area. That's right on screen,
(02:36):
that's right. And she's recently the survivor of a nasty
dog attack at a friend's dinner. And it's Irene Gardner. Irene,
how are you?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I'm fine, but yeah, you don't really expect to go
around your friend's place and get put top.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Where did you get but I mean my lower leg?
Oh really? What did you do? Why had you irritated
the dog so much?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Then? I know the dogs just quite unsettled, I think
by myself and my friend being round at our friend's
place and I got up from the table just to
go to the kitchen to get something, and he kind
of rushed me and nipped my leg.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Really I was, you know, kind of.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I mean, I'm a farm kid, so I'm kind of
hosted being you.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Know, nipped by dogs.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But it was a bit kind of and yeah, I've
actually ended up with quite a massive bruise.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Really, what sort of dog was a little.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Bit of broken skin?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
It was a poodle, which is unexpected pod a Biggish poodle.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
A Biggish poodle.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, a Gnali poodle.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Going to name the poodle?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
No name, Shane. Nice to have you both in the studio. Now, look,
I have been I love the Olympics, and there have
been some wonderful, wonderful moments already. Wills, what are you?
What do you?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Will's great? Wells, we're mates now we've crossed the threshole.
We have friends.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah exactly, but yeah, are you loving the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I'm loving it. It's so great. And then also all
the random sports that you probably have never really watched
before and spent much time actually, you know, learning about
and looking at and it's just great. And I'm a
big fan of the gymnastics. And the one thing that
I also love as well is how it seems like
the entire population has decided there's suddenly you know, experts
in half of these sports, and there's these great memes
(04:20):
that are all going around. You know, You're lying on
your couch with the feet up in the air and
potato chip dust on your chest, and you're like, oh god,
that dismount. She really didn't nail it, did she, you know,
and how we analyight? You know, I just think it's great.
I mean, I like to think of myself as a
bit of an experts station. Not really, I just sit
there with covered in chip dust, you know, sharing my
opinion about you know, someone. Biles's dismount actually always on point.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
By the way, Actually I was watching some highlights the
other night and it was the horizontal bars. In fact,
I think it was her teammates Suriye who was who
came third, Who's got an amazing story because but it
was just the grace and the athleticism on the bars.
It just sort of just sort of blows me away.
Have you been watching much in the way of the Olympics,
Irene or I haven't.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Watched a lot.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I'm not a huge sport person, but you know, I
get sort of caught up in the stories and things.
And yes, Simon's coming back so strong. After you know,
last time. And I also watched the gymnastics and I
just I just kid myself. I just watched them, going, yeah,
do that.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Actually, I think we all have that moment of which
do we imagine what event you would actually do if
you could be an.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Olympic trible round off break backs?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Does it?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Trible round off backhands? Bring no sweat?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I did really like.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You know, I like all little human interesting things. And
I did kind of like the bit where you know,
when Hayden Wild didn't win the trifling but his friend
and training partner, yeah, and it was just all sort
of lovely, and you know, I like that kind.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Of I actually thought that was one of the most
inspiring moments of the Games because I'm not hung up
on our personal on our country medal tally. I'm curious
about it, but I'm not hung on up on it
because for me, the Olympics about those transcendent moments, which
sometimes the tree and send it moment is an amazing
performance that leads to gold. But for for Hayden Whild
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to have embraced his friend who he thought, you know,
you won that, well, great race, well we both did
it sort of thing, and then later on to pay
homage to his teammate who, through the bike ride had
dropped back so he could draft. I think that's the
expression Hayden. So he got in a position where he
could have won gold. I just thought, what an absolute legend,
(06:30):
Hal Hayden wild is. What are the sportsmanship? And those
are the moments that to me get me a bit misty.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
One hundred percent forever, It'll be imprinted in my mind,
that beautiful still shot, even the video of him putting
his hand around alex Ee after the n because so
many athletes would actually be a bit salty right like
he was. He was leading that last leg of the
running race by fifteen seconds. We kind of.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Thought, well, I was nervous when the commentator said, I
he's got gold in the bag. Basically, I was like,
I know, those two guys are running quite quick, and.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Look, I kind of had a vibe that Alexey was
just gonna hoon on past it. I just kind of
you it might happen, but so many, so many athletics
would be pretty salty, or they just run away and
kind of get a bit, you know, dark and store
me off cameras. But it was just great sitting down
next to him going, look mate, you did a really
great job and he's still won silver. He's still he's
still won, he's still placed. It was It was epic.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
And the other story the the our gold medal double
skulls women. Yeah, absolutely, and who only eighteen months ago
became mums and eighteen months later to compete in an
Olympic Games and win gold. Ah wow, what a what
(07:42):
a hell of a story you followed that.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
One, guys, they were amazing and actually and the women's
rugby obviously, Oh yeah, yeah, they will get excited about
the women's rugby.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It was so great. No, the mother's as well, and
initially and it wasn't until I came in and had
to chat to you before the show, Tam, and I
was like, oh, you know, I always hate it when
people kind of put labels on particular you know, business
woman whatever, sports people whatever, calling the mothers, because I
kind of feel like that shouldn't define them. But that's
actually a narrative that they come up with on their own,
and that was something that they wanted to trumpet, which
I think is incredible that it's come from them.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And I think also you could tell through the way
that they spoke about the challenges that they'd had, you know,
becoming new mums and then training and the support they
had from their families. By the way, I didn't name them
Lucy Spores and Brook Francis. It is it is quite
an incredible story to have managed to achieve that. So,
you know, so shortly after I guess, you know, I'm
(08:37):
a guy. I haven't given birth, so I can't really
comment on these things.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But I haven't had kids either, but I've got friends
to say it's it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It's a lot on the cards. Thank you to bringing
it up the other actually, but actually I yeah, I
think we've got Emma Twig and Tom McIntosh tonight maybe.
But the other story is in the Olympics is while
it's it's going to be a reach Foroe Hobbs to
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make the final, sorry not make the final, but to
get a medal, the fact that we've got a New
Zealand woman as a sprinter in the one hundred meters again,
what an amazing achievement for a New Zealand athlete. So
there's just so many Are you going to be peeled?
Do you get up in the middle of the not
you also to watch the.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I'm a bit of a night I'm a bit of
a night owl, so I'll stay up as late as possible,
kind of in midnight one o'clock, kind of get in
as much as they can, and then I'll wake with
the morning and check my phone and watch the high lights.
And I can't push myself past probably one as much
as I'd like to. But yeah, so great. I love
watching the athletics too. The decathlon I think was on
last night. That was great, greatest line events.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I just love the fact that the track is purple
as well. I like, you know how French we're going
to change the color. We're going to go with a
sort of violet purple. Actually, they love the track and field.
Oh by the way, Tom Walsh, both our shot putters
have got into the into the final, Tom Walsh and god,
my brain's gone jacko Gil.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And did you see the shot of the javelin going
right towards the TV camera?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh? I miss that one dramatic effect. Fantastic shot.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, the other thing is the technology we've got with
the high definition cameras and everything, and I think that's
actually why we feel we can become experts because the.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Different angles.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, and there was a moment where Simon Simone biles
on Simone, I never know. She bent her knees when
she went under the low horizontal bar, which I didn't
initially notice. And I looked and I went, oh, that's right.
She shouldn't have done that. Nice thing.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Come it in potato chip. Does please tell me you
recovered in potato chip? Does please don't leave me hanging here?
I can't be the only one.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And actually, you know what, people, if you are listening
and you want to catch up with the action our
commentary team and our team of journalists from Newstalks, he'd
be doing an absolutely magnificent job on the commentary. So
just a little bit of a tip of a captain
of colleagues that that are doing that job right through
the wee small hours. Right anyway, let's move away from Paris.
That sounds like a bit of a downer. Doesn't that
(11:07):
move you away from Paris as well? By just a
quick note, I was really pleased they finally managed to
swim in the seane. I mean, who knows whether Hayden
had to spend the next day on the toilet or not,
but you know.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
They might sprout a new limb or something as a
result of it, but you know, yeah, I mean great,
But the fact that I remember watching a report it
was something about how they had to take tablets to
stop them from getting sick, and then they've got eye
drops so their eyes don't get infected, and I don't know, yeah,
I don't think you'd want to put your head under
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Right, let's move on to let's move on to politics now.
The government announces news legislation allowing roadside drug testing. Actually
I'm not sure if this is particularly contentious, but I
don't think it's the sort of thing where you just
breathe into the chube for ten seconds, so they're not
going to be exactly pulling over everyone and doing it.
But what do you think of the whole roadside drug
testing thing? Will Aman it?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, Look, I think it's a sensible initiative. I think
that there there's obviously, you know, drink driving problems with
there's drug driving problems too, And I think that there's
definitely a movement in a younger generation away from using
alcohol and instead it's kind of a sober curious movement
in terms of alcohol. But people are dabbling more in
(12:15):
party drugs and thinking that it's okay because they haven't
had five or six wines that they can actually you know,
jump behind the wheel when they can't. I'd raise questions
about the accuracy of it all, like how it's all
going to work, what kind of you know, resource of
technology're going to use. I think it's a saliva test,
so you want to make sure that it's completely accurate.
I also found it really interesting the penalties for it.
(12:36):
I think I was reading the article. It was just
saying an infringement notice and demerit points, which to me
seems like it's not a very penalty. No, not at all,
whereas with alcohol, right you can you get arrested, or
you get your license taken off you, you can appear
before the courts. Yeah, I'm concerned. It doesn't really seem like, yeah,
(12:57):
much of it deterrent for something it would.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Be big really same thoughts as well's.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It's going to be a short par wouldn't be like
do you think? I?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
I think? I think the reason it has taken so
long is because it's very difficult to work out how
to do it. Because of course, I mean, it's always
been kind of weird that you know, obviously you're not
supposed to drink and drive, but you know you could
be completely trolley on drugs and you can go on
drugs but mad. But I think it has been that
it's been incredibly difficult to work out how to do it.
(13:31):
So presumably they feel like they've got closer to working out.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well, science always gets us closer. That was a time
probably with alcohol, where you had to get out and
a straight line, in a straight line and sort of
touch you.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Recite the alphabet backwards.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I did, why you I could probably do it gradual
rest anyway. Yeah, So good luck to them on that
one anyway. But you know what my thing is when
it comes to Law and Homan in safety behind the wheel,
(14:07):
I don't know why they don't make it a fifteen
hundred dollars fine to use your bloody phone. There we
go at the moment, isn't that something pathetic? And look
that is a massive cause of well you can just
tell at the traffic lights everybody, No, somebody doesn't pull
away and you go too, and you can put you
here on their phone and you look down. Somebody walks
out in front of your box, it's a major cause
(14:28):
of problems on the RWN.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Texting one especially. I can understand that you could conceivably talk,
but the texting like don't you have to look text? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Now there's another one, which is Look, I almost wonder
if it depends on which side of the political divide
you are so the youth offender. I'm not sure if
the word boot camps is helpful because I think the
game that gets played as people if you can brand
something as boot camps because you've got the name boot camps,
it can't work. But ten youth offenders began military style
(15:01):
boot camp. If I can use that word on Monday,
which officials are having to, will integrate them back into
society successfully. Anyway, Look, I'm all for the for them
giving it a go, and what do you think willhelmina?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Look, I don't know. I think it's it's great that
something is there's an attempt to do something to address
the problem, but I just don't think internationally it's shown
that it works. I think if you put them giving
people or kids schedules is obviously great, but what happens
after the fact, I feel like more iff it should
actually be being put into preventing them from getting into
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crime in the first place, rather than putting them into
a boot camp where they're going to come out the
other side and be integrated back into the community and
probably have not have the support systems that they actually
need to stop them in the first place. I just
I can't see it working. And I think Karen Shaw
was saying, look that the way that we'll measure its
success is harm reduction in the community. Well, what does
that mean? Where are the metrics that actually represent what
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kind of impact that it's going to have? You know,
I remember when I used to write scripts when I
was a reporter back at news Hub. My producers used
to say, never finish your script with the line only
time will tell. Well, I kind of feel like the
same thing applies here. Only time will tell. It's just
so broad it can't be measured. I just think there
are better ways to go about it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I think the only thing is I think that people
say you find a version of the boot camps where
it's just you shove them and you basically give them
discipline and then throw them back into society. It's like saying,
if you've only driven a larder, you shouldn't dam all
cars for all time. And I think that the government
it's not like we're throwing hundreds of kids into this.
(16:37):
It's ten people who are going to get and I
guess discipline. But there are a whole lot of wrap
around services, and I hope that there is a way
of doing this stuff where you can take them out
of their environment and introduce them to discipline and a
bit of routine and things like that, where the other
services that go with it. I mean, I just think
it's a bit crude for politicians to go, oh, it's
(16:57):
a boot camp and it's out as opposed to well,
surely there are different ways of Maybe that expression is
not not even the right one to apply, if you
know what I mean, what do you think I ring?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Well, I mean historically the really pure military style ones, yes,
haven't worked, and there is you know, there's strong evidence
of that, both in New Zealand and globally. And of
course you know this has to ended up timing with
the release of their Abuse and Care report, which you know,
which actually has highlighted some of the terrors of those things.
I think because this has been so criticized, I think
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quite a lot of care is now going into how
they actually do do this one with these ten people,
and I think it is going to be broader and
a bit more tailored to these particular young folk and
you know, really trying to help them. And there certainly
are things you could do where there's a bit of
you know, I wouldn't say military component, but maybe like
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an exercise component, and there's a cultural and educational and
you know, maybe there's even some art and music, and
I mean there's differently things you could do that would
be I think more helpful than a pure military style thing.
And I think they are going to throw throw everything
at this try and make it work. But that then
begs the question of if they throw that much money
at it, could you just actually have helped those ten
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people by spending money on getting them better lives, better housing,
better whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well, there are more than ten people and bookers. If
you are trying to do that, that's a massive thing.
These are the ten offenders who've been through probably quite
a lot of the justice system already. I would say,
to get to this program, you are really dying work.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, and it's a small proportion of those young offenders.
I just think that resource could be better spent stopping
them from getting them in the first place. And a
lot of it comes from that trauma of a childhood
where they're moving from home to home that I don't
really have any routes, they try and find some sense
of comfort and you know, aligning with the gangs and
committing crime. I just feel like that time and resource
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and that level of care that we've just highlighted could
be given before they get into the situation.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So every day is going to start with a wake
up call six thirty, physical drills, education, employment pathway training, mentoring,
fucker puppa and cultural connection and lights out at nine
point thirty. But that'll be a new one.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
But wasn't it It was I think what the actual
program itself was it six weeks or three months, and
then they were going to get support for nine months
in total. But what happens after that nine months if
they don't have family, Well, it's not really going to
make a difference, is it. They're just going to go
back to what's familiar.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
But then that's an argument for not I mean, that's
an argument that says there's no hype hever for these kids.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I guess, well, I definitely think there's hope. I just
think that it needs to be before they get themselves
into the situation, that the help needs to happen before
they lose their way.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, yeah, indeed. Okay, well we'll wait and see, by
the way on that. In fact, we might take a break.
Actually we do need to take a moment. We'll come
back and we have a chat quick chet about just
the toxicity of Parliament or yes, and Karen Turre, who's
a pretty tough nutter is and it ended up in
tears and stormy out of an interview. But so Parliament's
not a happy place these days, it doesn't seem. We'll
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come back and have a little bit of a chat
around that. Gosh, I'd rather talk about the Olympics, which
is a happy place. But we'll try, you know, we'll
just visit with the odd little moment of joy. Hopefully
we can talk about Will's being in love, that we
need something, we need to gas twenty seven and a
half past three, Baby, don't you when you're playing them
(20:25):
he's drinking. No, you're thinking about me when you're riding
where he's damming. Now you miss a mystery. Damn the
time he goes around me. See when you're playing them more,
he's drinking. Now you're thinking bound me coming along? Where's
that sucking your dad slacking nose? Host? Welcome back to
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the Weekend Collective. This is the panel. I'mton Beverage. My guess, uh,
the lovely Wilhelmina Shrimpton and the lovely Irene Gardener and
the erudite and wonderful guest. Two guests we have here.
I don't know I was making out off as it
went along there actually, but you know it's you know,
it was all positive stuff. I think. So we think
we're quite safe.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Hey, yeah, lovely and lovely.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I know I was going to go with a different
objectively than I thought. I needed to treat you equally.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Hey, it has been a bit of it. It's been
a pretty tough week for Karen saw in Parliament, and
I just do worry that without honing on specific issues,
but the bullying, the nature of attacking the playing the
person and not the issue. She's been accused of not
being Mari enough and being a puppet of the ACT
(21:35):
Party and all this sort of stuff. I don't know.
I just think that the political discourse is getting a
little bit more less respectful and a little bit nastier.
And I'm not sure they're setting a very good example
for the way we should all treat each other.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Wilhelmina, oh full name, very serious instead of wells. I
thought we're friends, Timothy.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
It makes me sound like i'd be very naughty.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I think it's it's definitely a past and that it
appears that Parliament is a pretty toxic place and can
be a toxic place. And I think that bullying seems
to be an issue, but I think that billying seems
to be an issue in a lot of workplaces. It's
just obviously this one's very much under the public spotlight,
under the microscope that everyone can kind of see and
is in the media. It's tricky because you don't ever
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want anyone to feel like they can't speak out and
that they're silenced. But I don't know, and it just
goes to show how much pressure she was under or
is currently under. But I just don't know if airing
those situations in the public arena is actually a good
space because it detracts away from the issues at hand. However,
if she felt so stressed that she couldn't actually raise
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the A. Sure she has raise the issue, nothing's been done. Well,
then people feel like they don't really have another option.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, God, who got into politics are?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I do not know, not me, that's sure. It is
an absolute bear pit and it always has been. Maybe
they've tried to get it a little better, and maybe
we noticemare I mean to be that it was just
expected that if you you know that you'd just be
resilient and you would just roll with it. I mean,
that doesn't really wash. If it ever did, it certainly
(23:14):
doesn't now. The one of the things I picked up
in this, and I have noticed this before, I do
feel for people of Mardi heritage who are on the
right of politics. They do seem to get a really
hard time in a way that I think is actually
quite racist. There's a sort of lis you know, you're.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Not Maldy enough.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I find it absolutely because you.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Look at issues in a different way. And I mean
I don't even necessarily agree with the way that they
look at the issue, but I'm not going to say,
you know, you're not Maldy enough. That's a horrible thing
to say.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I think that's quite well.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
It's almost like, how long is it since Martin Luther
King made that statement for a time when we judge
people by the content of their character rather than the
color of their skin. Hello New Zealand parliamentarians.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I feel like a mixed heritage should actually be a superpower,
right like you you can no, but no, but in
a way that you can appeal and you can relate
to people from different facets of society, and you know,
you've got a connection to know the right, and you've
got a connection to the Malder community, and you can
kind of use your shared connections to actually build a
bridge between the two different communities. I just don't really
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see why people are. You know, it's a problem if
you're not one hundred percent one or one hundred percent
the other. I think it's actually really really sad somehow.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I can't I can't. Don't think it would come across
well if I celebrated just my magnificence because I'm a
combination of Scottish and Viking. Yeah, maybe not quite the
same thing anyway. Hey, international politics, now, I don't know
how much it resonates in New Zealand, but this prisoner
swap between Russia and the West. The more I read
(24:49):
about this the more you see how much work went
into it. I think there were sixteen prisoners from return
from Russia and return from eight who went the other way.
But the efforts diplomacy and getting people home, including the
recently convicted Gershwitz guy from the Washington Post, that is
actually quite an It almost seems like old school sort
(25:11):
of East West cole Woard diplomacy victories. But Irena, it's
actually quite a remarkable feat and for the Biden administration
as well.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
It's incredible.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And funnily enough, the last time I was on, I
was talking about Joe Biden because he'd just done the
terrible debate performance. But I was saying that thing of yeah,
he's getting older. He's not a great speaker anymore, if
he ever was, because he's always had to control the stutter.
But he has been an incredibly good president in the
sense of getting things done and just sort of quiet
diplomacy behind the scenes, and you know, working with a
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lot of different people. He's been incredible. He's actually been
you know, I think history will judge him very well
as a president who was able to make a lot
of things happen. And this is incredible. This is actually
an amazing achievement for him and a whole lot of
other people. But I just think it is a good
example of why he has been such a great president,
even though the decision has now been made for him
(26:02):
to step aside, you know, in terms of the next term,
it's you know, it's quite good having him still in there,
or things like this, And there was that also, you know,
we're talking about magical moments before. There was a lovely
moment we pulled off his president flag pin and Pinda
on one of the guys, which.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, again see that that first part of the Martin
Luther King quote. People like to have a crack at
button because of his age and things. But the content
of his character as a president, I think is going
to be a good legacy is going to leave, isn't it.
Willelmina Wells, Wells, Wells, Wells, Wells, Wells. It's because it's
a serious topic.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I need to add them those extra syllables, gravitas. You know,
I get it, I get it, I get it one
hundred percent. I think, if you know, it's it's obviously
his his his time and this role has come to
a sudden end and a very very you know, dramatic end,
I guess one would say, but he has left lasting
impression here in a lasting memory and a lasting legacy.
(26:54):
I think it's a great show of diplomacy between what
would be you know, two parts of society or you know,
particular nations that don't exactly see eye to eye. And
I feel like, you know, if this was one thing
that he could do before he actually exited, it's a
great thing. I don't know what it will actually if
it will mean anything for relations ongoing with Russia. I
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kind of feel like this is a thing in itself.
This is quite separate to the to the Ukraine Russia conflict,
but good on him for doing something that has obviously
made a massive difference.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Also incredibly complex, and it goes back to the times
when alex da Valne was going to be included in
the prisoner swap and it's gone on for that long.
Of course, he's since been bumped off.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
His wife has been quite involved in, you know, behind
the scenes. And there was an interesting interaction with the
journalist where they said to Biden, or but what about
so and so that you know the teacher, you know,
there's still nothing there and and Biden yes, yes, we're
working on that. We're working on that and well what
are you doing? Yeah, like I'm going to tell you
that and.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Ruin that.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Humorous sometimes it's good, which is good. We love too.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Right, We're going to be back in just a moment
where with my panelist Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Irene Gardner. I'm
Tim Beverage is coming up to twenty to four news
talk zib Welcome back to the Weekend Collective, Umpton Beverage.
(28:31):
My guests, so Wilhelmina Shrimpson otherwise known as Will's and
Irene Gardner. And now that song. Just for a fun
fact for you, I've We've made Wilhelmina very happy because
this is your of course, has I introduced you. There's
been a Women's Day article talking about you and Ben
in the rugby reef and and your plans for the future,
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and this is your songs.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
And funnily enough, the last time I did a talkback chef,
this played out of the break and I think I
gave him a little shout out. I was like, oh,
my partner, I love the song. We're just disgustingly cheesy, aren't.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
We, Because the version of this song I know is
the much, much, much older one with Susi Quatro and
her partner of the time from Smoky what's his name,
Norman la Ones like dance I know this from like
the seventies.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Wow, I just assumed they were one and the same.
But it's okay, you know it's got that's right, it's
got a slightly more modern beat anyway, speaking of modern entertainment,
I don't know if it's a poor link. I think
this is a fascinating story. The whole ethics and the
unwritten rules that society has rules and we have norms,
(29:37):
and it's like a norm that you can sort of
smuggle food into a movie theater. You're not supposed to.
It's against the rules, but the rulers don't get caught.
So there are a couple of there are a couple
of women who've been banned from a movie theater after
they brought in their own food. They've been trespassed from
a movie theatre and pooka koe for bringing in their
own food.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
But I said the movie title was despicable me.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
As well, exactly. But here's the here's the thing I
think that tells a or leaves room for a bit
of imagination. They claimed they didn't see any signs of
preventing food, and the police were called after the exchange
became heated. So I'm putting it on them because you
know what, if you have brought food into a theater
and one of the ashes or movie manager, cinema manager
(30:22):
comes up and says, I'm sorry, you're not allowed to
bring food into the theater unless you've pitched it on
the premises, can you please take it out? I would say, oh, sorry,
and I'd either quickly shove the whole pine in my
mouth and go gone, come on, I'd exit. Iren. Have
you ever smuggled food into a cinema?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
No, I know I have, but in my case it
would be like a tiny, you know, snack bar of
my choosing that, you.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Know, And you know, I thought you were going to
say a cammbera and a fine rose.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Apple or something, and you know, you'd just be a
bit subtle about it. But I understand why it's a rule,
and actually, quite frankly, in these days where it's incredibly
difficult to get people to go to the cinema, you know,
good luck to them for making some money on the
candy bar. I reckon. There's a whole lot more to
this story than you know. This is one of those
there's ten sides to every story. For this to have
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escalated the way it did, either the people or the
staff behaved very rudely and badly, or they both did.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
There's a key question here that hasn't been answered. Guys,
what was the food in question?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
It was it was movie type food. It was popcorn.
Oh okay, so a lot of chips and stuff that
they could have bordered the camp.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
There's a spectrum of snacks, right, so you know you've
got the movie type food, right. You go to the countdown,
you discount every day rewards whatever. Malteseers or there's people
who bring in like a whole pack lunch, like a
sandwiche or a you know, a Burger King meal or
something which is probably not okay, smuggling in a bag
of M and ms. I think they had quite a lot, right, Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Maybe they've taken their children, both five to see to
Spica a woman, and.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
They had quite a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I had once taking a Burger King combo, chips and
lollies they were to rush to.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Here's the thing. They were chips. They want to rush
to get their tickets. But you see, they wouldn't have
been in a rush if they hadn't had to go
somewhere else to get their food beforehand.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
They're in the New World. They're in the line at
the New World on the countdown. I think, yeah, are.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
You actually I think you were slightly beheadedness going on
around it all?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Both potentially, what about with the constant living crisis, right,
movie tickets are twenty bucks each? What about a Bayo charge?
You know you pay five dollars or eight dollars for
corkage at a at a you know, Thai restaurant. What
about a Bayo movie charge? You know Byo snacks.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, that sounds complicated, doesn't because it's of course you're
going to avoid that charge to be like, oh I
don't want to pay the Byo charge. Just don't show it,
just keep it.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
But it does rely on people's honestly, you I mean
you would sort of think the staff member might have said, hey,
you're not really allowed to do that, don't do it again. Actually,
but it's okay for this.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
And the other thing is my I actually haven't been
to the cinema for so long I couldn't even tell
you when the last time was, but I do remember
the last time going. You get your tickets and then
you get your snacks, and you go, how much was
it for a glass of wine and a thing of popcorn?
How much that's more than the Oh my goodness, maybe
we should have brought our own.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
But that's what's keeping the cinema alive. So hard now
for them, so you know, you can't begrudge that, I think.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
And actually, my local movie theater, which I think might
actually tie into what we're going to talk about next.
My local movie theater does Uber eats with why know?
But Ober eats with the popcorn and the Maltesers and everything.
Because I love movie popcorn. There's nothing more satisfying to
me than sitting down with one of those giant tubes
and the salty buttery of deliciousness yum is like my
I think I like it more than the actual movie,
(33:52):
to be honest. Is going there for the popcorn. And
the other day I ordered it was buy one, get
one free. By the way, Yeah, what the biggest popcorn
container you could possibly buy? Buy and get one free?
So I bought two of those and a pack of
Maltesers and had a little movie night. It was great.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Lovely can be on the couch. Actually, sorry, what I
don't actually how long? How long since you guys went
to the cinema last weekend? Okay, of course you're in
date dating mode. Of course, what about you?
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I'm not going to answer, honestly, because as the president
of the Screen Producers Guild, I should be going to
the cinema all the time. So I'm not going to
answer because actually.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Might incriminate you.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
It's a little wow.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
If you were going to go to a movie, is
any thing I couldn't tell you a single movie that
wasn't book?
Speaker 4 (34:38):
That was because it's a fabulous local one book one.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Okay, there we go. There's a recommendation from our own.
There's one for you and been to go and watch
last weekend?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
What do we see? Dead Pool and Wolverine?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh it was out the gate a romantic movie. Yeah, lovely, Okay,
you can't take a moment. I'm just going to recover.
I have a cup of tea and a lie down
and we'll be back in just to tick. It's eleven
minutes to four. News talks' b Yes, welcome back to
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the Weekend Collective. This is the parallel I'm tion beverage
my guests of Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Irene Gardener. Actually, just
a lot of people texted me about the story about
the women being kicked out of the cinema, and everyone
on the text, even though it's not in the article
that I'm reading, said that they also brought a movie
snack was KFC and the staff are sick of picking
up bones, and I can imagine that would be a goodness, Yeah,
(35:47):
chicken bones if that is true.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
And I don't know that it is because it wasn't
an original story, but if that is true, I think
you can't bring in things that smell hot food.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
The speicture of snacks.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Some people should leave themselves out of the theater and that.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
No hot food, but you know, tempah cold fertisfied.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Actually just we've only got a couple of minutes, but
I do want to touch on this, and it's a
bit of a we're switching back to the US politics,
but I thought it was worth mentioning that the guy
who has correctly predicted at almost every US election since
nineteen eighty four has now completed as forecasting for the
US election and reckons that Karmala Harris has got the
(36:26):
is going to win. He's forecasting win for Karmala Harris.
And the reason I think it's remarkable is that before
Biden announced that he was stepping down, I didn't think
Karmala Harris was the answer. But it seems that the
momentum behind her, her irene is massive.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
It is. It's really energized things in a way that
I wouldn't necessarily have predicted. It's weirdly, I know a
lot of people thought Joe Biden should have stepped down earlier,
but weirdly, the timing of it has ended up being
strategically perfect. In some stranger jd Vance was, he's been
appointed and they're you know, they're not a great combo
(37:04):
against her. It's coming with this big rush of energy.
I think they've managed to do it in a way
that's kept Joe Biden's dignity. It's I think I think
she probably is going to want I.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Subject to their electoral College.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Well, they've got such a weird system. They've got such
a weird system, and their polling is never to be trusted.
But can I just say for my own record that
I predicted that the year that Trump won, I predicted
it right the year that Biden won, and I predicted
that the midterms would be a blue wave, not a
red wave. So I'm on a good roll.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Well what's your prediction now, Kamala. Yes, there we go.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I'm excited. I think just well refreshing, exciting. It's exactly
what was needed. I think that what should be commended
is her marketing team. Oh my gosh, they've been working
hard behind the scenes, haven't they. I mean, they clearly
knew that this was coming, and they came out with
a bang and a bang so big that everyone stopped
talking about the assassination attempt in favor of Biden stepping
(38:02):
down and Karmala stepping up.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
What is that only is how many weeks ago? As that?
Is it two or three weeks ago?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yes, it feels like not that long ago month. And
that was, you know, an historic moment, that was huge,
huge news news. And the fact that that has just
disappeared into the ether, I think just goes to show
how strong her campaign is. I think she's going to
pollogic indo six weeks out or whatever. She's one of
the zeitgeist of the election period.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I think it's about ninety six days or something to go. Yeah,
so actually, thank goodness, it's only less than hundred days
at least as opposed to this ridiculously long campaign.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
But it's exciting. It's so exciting now and I feel
positive about it, whereas before I was terrified.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well that's good as well. Hey, thank you so much
for coming an, Irene Gardener, Wilhelmina Shrimpton. Been a great
fun panel. And you know you can put your feet
up now. You can nurse your dog bite there, Irene,
and you can go carry on the canedling on the
couch Willem and Shrimpton with the love of your life.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Okay, nothing you jealous or anything anyway, and.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Thanks so much. Great to see you guys. We'll be
back with the one roufradio show in just a moment.
News Talk z B.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Right now, it is time for the panel. By the way,
actually I'm in actually quite a good mood today and
I just sort of thought i'd share it, but that
sometimes parental vicarious pleasure is quite quite a good mood
lift because my daughter had a hockey game and I'm
bit worried it became that noisy parent on the sideline
because she scored four goals, so more than a hat trick,
(00:33):
and I was getting very much who yah. But anyway,
it was It's a great way to start a Saturday,
is all I can say. Anyway. And by the way,
we'll be keeping up to date with actually not keeping
up to date with any of olymp it's what am
I saying. That's going to be something we're going to
cover in the panel. In just a moment, which is
actually not just in just a moment. It's right now
(00:53):
time to introduce my panelists. My first panelist, what can
I say about her? She is and I read this,
she is so in love right now. She is absolutely smitten.
She's smitten with some guy called Ben, and apparently she
definitely sees marriage and children on the cards. I also
think she's a journalist. At times, she's been a newsreader,
(01:15):
and she's got her own media company, Wills and Co.
But please welcome the very much in Love Wilhelmina Kate Trimpton.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I picked the wrong day to come in the day
that it gets uploaded to the Herald website. Oh God, hello,
thanks for having me very much in love, very happy
to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It was a lovely story though, And did you you're
the photo of you in front of the taj Mahalan.
You've been to Paris and everything, and just just the
story about love.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, it has been a bit of a will wind,
a lovely will wind.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah. And the reason I sort of mentioned it is well,
it was I was slightly being mischievous in the way
of introducing But it's nice to celebrate these moments, isn't that?
It was just nice to read you know that you're
you're rocking and rolling, Wills.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
It is.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
And look, it's been a long and winding, crazy, wild
journey to get there, and it's just yeah, it's just
nice to just be happy. I think it sounds pretty
simple of it.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
You're really darling day article.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I'm trying to fak news. No, it's not news. It's
all true. It's all true. I mean every word.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Anyway, I don't know how to follow that. My next
guest is she's a long time television producer. I mean,
we use the word long time advisedly because it's not
necessarily that long a time. I just put it in italics.
And she's she's executive producer. She's done heaps in media. Actually,
she was a I think a content producer for New
Zealand on air for a Golden Area. That's right on screen,
(02:36):
that's right. And she's recently the survivor of a nasty
dog attack at a friend's dinner. And it's Irene Gardner. Irene,
how are you?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I'm fine, but yeah, you don't really expect to go
around your friend's place and get put top.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Where did you get but I mean my lower leg?
Oh really? What did you do? Why had you irritated
the dog so much?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Then? I know the dogs just quite unsettled, I think
by myself and my friend being round at our friend's
place and I got up from the table just to
go to the kitchen to get something, and he kind
of rushed me and nipped my leg.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Really I was, you know, kind of.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I mean, I'm a farm kid, so I'm kind of
hosted being you.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Know, nipped by dogs.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
But it was a bit kind of and yeah, I've
actually ended up with quite a massive bruise.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Really, what sort of dog was a little.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Bit of broken skin?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
It was a poodle, which is unexpected pod a Biggish poodle.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
A Biggish poodle.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, a Gnali poodle.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Going to name the poodle?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
No name, Shane. Nice to have you both in the studio. Now, look,
I have been I love the Olympics, and there have
been some wonderful, wonderful moments already. Wills, what are you?
What do you?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Will's great? Wells, we're mates now we've crossed the threshole.
We have friends.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah exactly, but yeah, are you loving the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I'm loving it. It's so great. And then also all
the random sports that you probably have never really watched
before and spent much time actually, you know, learning about
and looking at and it's just great. And I'm a
big fan of the gymnastics. And the one thing that
I also love as well is how it seems like
the entire population has decided there's suddenly you know, experts
in half of these sports, and there's these great memes
(04:20):
that are all going around. You know, You're lying on
your couch with the feet up in the air and
potato chip dust on your chest, and you're like, oh god,
that dismount. She really didn't nail it, did she, you know,
and how we analyight? You know, I just think it's great.
I mean, I like to think of myself as a
bit of an experts station. Not really, I just sit
there with covered in chip dust, you know, sharing my
opinion about you know, someone. Biles's dismount actually always on point.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
By the way, Actually I was watching some highlights the
other night and it was the horizontal bars. In fact,
I think it was her teammates Suriye who was who
came third, Who's got an amazing story because but it
was just the grace and the athleticism on the bars.
It just sort of just sort of blows me away.
Have you been watching much in the way of the Olympics,
Irene or I haven't.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Watched a lot.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I'm not a huge sport person, but you know, I
get sort of caught up in the stories and things.
And yes, Simon's coming back so strong. After you know,
last time. And I also watched the gymnastics and I
just I just kid myself. I just watched them, going, yeah,
do that.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Actually, I think we all have that moment of which
do we imagine what event you would actually do if
you could be an.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Olympic trible round off break backs?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Does it?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Trible round off backhands? Bring no sweat?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
I did really like.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You know, I like all little human interesting things. And
I did kind of like the bit where you know,
when Hayden Wild didn't win the trifling but his friend
and training partner, yeah, and it was just all sort
of lovely, and you know, I like that kind.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Of I actually thought that was one of the most
inspiring moments of the Games because I'm not hung up
on our personal on our country medal tally. I'm curious
about it, but I'm not hung on up on it
because for me, the Olympics about those transcendent moments, which
sometimes the tree and send it moment is an amazing
performance that leads to gold. But for for Hayden Whild
(06:10):
to have embraced his friend who he thought, you know,
you won that, well, great race, well we both did
it sort of thing, and then later on to pay
homage to his teammate who, through the bike ride had
dropped back so he could draft. I think that's the
expression Hayden. So he got in a position where he
could have won gold. I just thought, what an absolute legend,
(06:30):
Hal Hayden wild is. What are the sportsmanship? And those
are the moments that to me get me a bit misty.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
One hundred percent forever, It'll be imprinted in my mind,
that beautiful still shot, even the video of him putting
his hand around alex Ee after the n because so
many athletes would actually be a bit salty right like
he was. He was leading that last leg of the
running race by fifteen seconds. We kind of.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Thought, well, I was nervous when the commentator said, I
he's got gold in the bag. Basically, I was like,
I know, those two guys are running quite quick, and.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Look, I kind of had a vibe that Alexey was
just gonna hoon on past it. I just kind of
you it might happen, but so many, so many athletics
would be pretty salty, or they just run away and
kind of get a bit, you know, dark and store
me off cameras. But it was just great sitting down
next to him going, look mate, you did a really
great job and he's still won silver. He's still he's
still won, he's still placed. It was It was epic.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
And the other story the the our gold medal double
skulls women. Yeah, absolutely, and who only eighteen months ago
became mums and eighteen months later to compete in an
Olympic Games and win gold. Ah wow, what a what
(07:42):
a hell of a story you followed that.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
One, guys, they were amazing and actually and the women's
rugby obviously, Oh yeah, yeah, they will get excited about
the women's rugby.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It was so great. No, the mother's as well, and
initially and it wasn't until I came in and had
to chat to you before the show, Tam, and I
was like, oh, you know, I always hate it when
people kind of put labels on particular you know, business
woman whatever, sports people whatever, calling the mothers, because I
kind of feel like that shouldn't define them. But that's
actually a narrative that they come up with on their own,
and that was something that they wanted to trumpet, which
I think is incredible that it's come from them.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And I think also you could tell through the way
that they spoke about the challenges that they'd had, you know,
becoming new mums and then training and the support they
had from their families. By the way, I didn't name them
Lucy Spores and Brook Francis. It is it is quite
an incredible story to have managed to achieve that. So,
you know, so shortly after I guess, you know, I'm
(08:37):
a guy. I haven't given birth, so I can't really
comment on these things.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But I haven't had kids either, but I've got friends
to say it's it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
It's a lot on the cards. Thank you to bringing
it up the other actually, but actually I yeah, I
think we've got Emma Twig and Tom McIntosh tonight maybe.
But the other story is in the Olympics is while
it's it's going to be a reach Foroe Hobbs to
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make the final, sorry not make the final, but to
get a medal, the fact that we've got a New
Zealand woman as a sprinter in the one hundred meters again,
what an amazing achievement for a New Zealand athlete. So
there's just so many Are you going to be peeled?
Do you get up in the middle of the not
you also to watch the.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I'm a bit of a night I'm a bit of
a night owl, so I'll stay up as late as possible,
kind of in midnight one o'clock, kind of get in
as much as they can, and then I'll wake with
the morning and check my phone and watch the high lights.
And I can't push myself past probably one as much
as I'd like to. But yeah, so great. I love
watching the athletics too. The decathlon I think was on
last night. That was great, greatest line events.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I just love the fact that the track is purple
as well. I like, you know how French we're going
to change the color. We're going to go with a
sort of violet purple. Actually, they love the track and field.
Oh by the way, Tom Walsh, both our shot putters
have got into the into the final, Tom Walsh and god,
my brain's gone jacko Gil.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And did you see the shot of the javelin going
right towards the TV camera?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh? I miss that one dramatic effect. Fantastic shot.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, the other thing is the technology we've got with
the high definition cameras and everything, and I think that's
actually why we feel we can become experts because the.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Different angles.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, and there was a moment where Simon Simone biles
on Simone, I never know. She bent her knees when
she went under the low horizontal bar, which I didn't
initially notice. And I looked and I went, oh, that's right.
She shouldn't have done that. Nice thing.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Come it in potato chip. Does please tell me you
recovered in potato chip? Does please don't leave me hanging here?
I can't be the only one.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And actually, you know what, people, if you are listening
and you want to catch up with the action our
commentary team and our team of journalists from Newstalks, he'd
be doing an absolutely magnificent job on the commentary. So
just a little bit of a tip of a captain
of colleagues that that are doing that job right through
the wee small hours. Right anyway, let's move away from Paris.
That sounds like a bit of a downer. Doesn't that
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move you away from Paris as well? By just a
quick note, I was really pleased they finally managed to
swim in the seane. I mean, who knows whether Hayden
had to spend the next day on the toilet or not,
but you know.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
They might sprout a new limb or something as a
result of it, but you know, yeah, I mean great,
But the fact that I remember watching a report it
was something about how they had to take tablets to
stop them from getting sick, and then they've got eye
drops so their eyes don't get infected, and I don't know, yeah,
I don't think you'd want to put your head under
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Right, let's move on to let's move on to politics now.
The government announces news legislation allowing roadside drug testing. Actually
I'm not sure if this is particularly contentious, but I
don't think it's the sort of thing where you just
breathe into the chube for ten seconds, so they're not
going to be exactly pulling over everyone and doing it.
But what do you think of the whole roadside drug
testing thing? Will Aman it?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, Look, I think it's a sensible initiative. I think
that there there's obviously, you know, drink driving problems with
there's drug driving problems too, And I think that there's
definitely a movement in a younger generation away from using
alcohol and instead it's kind of a sober curious movement
in terms of alcohol. But people are dabbling more in
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party drugs and thinking that it's okay because they haven't
had five or six wines that they can actually you know,
jump behind the wheel when they can't. I'd raise questions
about the accuracy of it all, like how it's all
going to work, what kind of you know, resource of
technology're going to use. I think it's a saliva test,
so you want to make sure that it's completely accurate.
I also found it really interesting the penalties for it.
(12:36):
I think I was reading the article. It was just
saying an infringement notice and demerit points, which to me
seems like it's not a very penalty. No, not at all,
whereas with alcohol, right you can you get arrested, or
you get your license taken off you, you can appear
before the courts. Yeah, I'm concerned. It doesn't really seem like, yeah,
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much of it deterrent for something it would.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Be big really same thoughts as well's.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
It's going to be a short par wouldn't be like
do you think? I?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
I think? I think the reason it has taken so
long is because it's very difficult to work out how
to do it. Because of course, I mean, it's always
been kind of weird that you know, obviously you're not
supposed to drink and drive, but you know you could
be completely trolley on drugs and you can go on
drugs but mad. But I think it has been that
it's been incredibly difficult to work out how to do it.
(13:31):
So presumably they feel like they've got closer to working out.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well, science always gets us closer. That was a time
probably with alcohol, where you had to get out and
a straight line, in a straight line and sort of
touch you.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Recite the alphabet backwards.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I did, why you I could probably do it gradual
rest anyway. Yeah, So good luck to them on that
one anyway. But you know what my thing is when
it comes to Law and Homan in safety behind the wheel,
(14:07):
I don't know why they don't make it a fifteen
hundred dollars fine to use your bloody phone. There we
go at the moment, isn't that something pathetic? And look
that is a massive cause of well you can just
tell at the traffic lights everybody, No, somebody doesn't pull
away and you go too, and you can put you
here on their phone and you look down. Somebody walks
out in front of your box, it's a major cause
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of problems on the RWN.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Texting one especially. I can understand that you could conceivably talk,
but the texting like don't you have to look text? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Now there's another one, which is Look, I almost wonder
if it depends on which side of the political divide
you are so the youth offender. I'm not sure if
the word boot camps is helpful because I think the
game that gets played as people if you can brand
something as boot camps because you've got the name boot camps,
it can't work. But ten youth offenders began military style
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boot camp. If I can use that word on Monday,
which officials are having to, will integrate them back into
society successfully. Anyway, Look, I'm all for the for them
giving it a go, and what do you think willhelmina?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Look, I don't know. I think it's it's great that
something is there's an attempt to do something to address
the problem, but I just don't think internationally it's shown
that it works. I think if you put them giving
people or kids schedules is obviously great, but what happens
after the fact, I feel like more iff it should
actually be being put into preventing them from getting into
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crime in the first place, rather than putting them into
a boot camp where they're going to come out the
other side and be integrated back into the community and
probably have not have the support systems that they actually
need to stop them in the first place. I just
I can't see it working. And I think Karen Shaw
was saying, look that the way that we'll measure its
success is harm reduction in the community. Well, what does
that mean? Where are the metrics that actually represent what
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kind of impact that it's going to have? You know,
I remember when I used to write scripts when I
was a reporter back at news Hub. My producers used
to say, never finish your script with the line only
time will tell. Well, I kind of feel like the
same thing applies here. Only time will tell. It's just
so broad it can't be measured. I just think there
are better ways to go about it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I think the only thing is I think that people
say you find a version of the boot camps where
it's just you shove them and you basically give them
discipline and then throw them back into society. It's like saying,
if you've only driven a larder, you shouldn't dam all
cars for all time. And I think that the government
it's not like we're throwing hundreds of kids into this.
(16:37):
It's ten people who are going to get and I
guess discipline. But there are a whole lot of wrap
around services, and I hope that there is a way
of doing this stuff where you can take them out
of their environment and introduce them to discipline and a
bit of routine and things like that, where the other
services that go with it. I mean, I just think
it's a bit crude for politicians to go, oh, it's
(16:57):
a boot camp and it's out as opposed to well,
surely there are different ways of Maybe that expression is
not not even the right one to apply, if you
know what I mean, what do you think I ring?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Well, I mean historically the really pure military style ones, yes,
haven't worked, and there is you know, there's strong evidence
of that, both in New Zealand and globally. And of
course you know this has to ended up timing with
the release of their Abuse and Care report, which you know,
which actually has highlighted some of the terrors of those things.
I think because this has been so criticized, I think
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quite a lot of care is now going into how
they actually do do this one with these ten people,
and I think it is going to be broader and
a bit more tailored to these particular young folk and
you know, really trying to help them. And there certainly
are things you could do where there's a bit of
you know, I wouldn't say military component, but maybe like
(17:53):
an exercise component, and there's a cultural and educational and
you know, maybe there's even some art and music, and
I mean there's differently things you could do that would
be I think more helpful than a pure military style thing.
And I think they are going to throw throw everything
at this try and make it work. But that then
begs the question of if they throw that much money
at it, could you just actually have helped those ten
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people by spending money on getting them better lives, better housing,
better whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well, there are more than ten people and bookers. If
you are trying to do that, that's a massive thing.
These are the ten offenders who've been through probably quite
a lot of the justice system already. I would say,
to get to this program, you are really dying work.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, and it's a small proportion of those young offenders.
I just think that resource could be better spent stopping
them from getting them in the first place. And a
lot of it comes from that trauma of a childhood
where they're moving from home to home that I don't
really have any routes, they try and find some sense
of comfort and you know, aligning with the gangs and
committing crime. I just feel like that time and resource
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and that level of care that we've just highlighted could
be given before they get into the situation.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So every day is going to start with a wake
up call six thirty, physical drills, education, employment pathway training, mentoring,
fucker puppa and cultural connection and lights out at nine
point thirty. But that'll be a new one.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
But wasn't it It was I think what the actual
program itself was it six weeks or three months, and
then they were going to get support for nine months
in total. But what happens after that nine months if
they don't have family, Well, it's not really going to
make a difference, is it. They're just going to go
back to what's familiar.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
But then that's an argument for not I mean, that's
an argument that says there's no hype hever for these kids.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I guess, well, I definitely think there's hope. I just
think that it needs to be before they get themselves
into the situation, that the help needs to happen before
they lose their way.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, yeah, indeed. Okay, well we'll wait and see, by
the way on that. In fact, we might take a break.
Actually we do need to take a moment. We'll come
back and we have a chat quick chet about just
the toxicity of Parliament or yes, and Karen Turre, who's
a pretty tough nutter is and it ended up in
tears and stormy out of an interview. But so Parliament's
not a happy place these days, it doesn't seem. We'll
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come back and have a little bit of a chat
around that. Gosh, I'd rather talk about the Olympics, which
is a happy place. But we'll try, you know, we'll
just visit with the odd little moment of joy. Hopefully
we can talk about Will's being in love, that we
need something, we need to gas twenty seven and a
half past three, Baby, don't you when you're playing them
(20:25):
he's drinking. No, you're thinking about me when you're riding
where he's damming. Now you miss a mystery. Damn the
time he goes around me. See when you're playing them more,
he's drinking. Now you're thinking bound me coming along? Where's
that sucking your dad slacking nose? Host? Welcome back to
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the Weekend Collective. This is the panel. I'mton Beverage. My guess, uh,
the lovely Wilhelmina Shrimpton and the lovely Irene Gardener and
the erudite and wonderful guest. Two guests we have here.
I don't know I was making out off as it
went along there actually, but you know it's you know,
it was all positive stuff. I think. So we think
we're quite safe.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Hey, yeah, lovely and lovely.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I know I was going to go with a different
objectively than I thought. I needed to treat you equally.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Hey, it has been a bit of it. It's been
a pretty tough week for Karen saw in Parliament, and
I just do worry that without honing on specific issues,
but the bullying, the nature of attacking the playing the
person and not the issue. She's been accused of not
being Mari enough and being a puppet of the ACT
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Party and all this sort of stuff. I don't know.
I just think that the political discourse is getting a
little bit more less respectful and a little bit nastier.
And I'm not sure they're setting a very good example
for the way we should all treat each other.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Wilhelmina, oh full name, very serious instead of wells. I
thought we're friends, Timothy.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
It makes me sound like i'd be very naughty.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I think it's it's definitely a past and that it
appears that Parliament is a pretty toxic place and can
be a toxic place. And I think that bullying seems
to be an issue, but I think that billying seems
to be an issue in a lot of workplaces. It's
just obviously this one's very much under the public spotlight,
under the microscope that everyone can kind of see and
is in the media. It's tricky because you don't ever
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want anyone to feel like they can't speak out and
that they're silenced. But I don't know, and it just
goes to show how much pressure she was under or
is currently under. But I just don't know if airing
those situations in the public arena is actually a good
space because it detracts away from the issues at hand. However,
if she felt so stressed that she couldn't actually raise
(22:45):
the A. Sure she has raise the issue, nothing's been done. Well,
then people feel like they don't really have another option.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, God, who got into politics are?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I do not know, not me, that's sure. It is
an absolute bear pit and it always has been. Maybe
they've tried to get it a little better, and maybe
we noticemare I mean to be that it was just
expected that if you you know that you'd just be
resilient and you would just roll with it. I mean,
that doesn't really wash. If it ever did, it certainly
(23:14):
doesn't now. The one of the things I picked up
in this, and I have noticed this before, I do
feel for people of Mardi heritage who are on the
right of politics. They do seem to get a really
hard time in a way that I think is actually
quite racist. There's a sort of lis you know, you're.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Not Maldy enough.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I find it absolutely because you.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Look at issues in a different way. And I mean
I don't even necessarily agree with the way that they
look at the issue, but I'm not going to say,
you know, you're not Maldy enough. That's a horrible thing
to say.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I think that's quite well.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
It's almost like, how long is it since Martin Luther
King made that statement for a time when we judge
people by the content of their character rather than the
color of their skin. Hello New Zealand parliamentarians.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I feel like a mixed heritage should actually be a superpower,
right like you you can no, but no, but in
a way that you can appeal and you can relate
to people from different facets of society, and you know,
you've got a connection to know the right, and you've
got a connection to the Malder community, and you can
kind of use your shared connections to actually build a
bridge between the two different communities. I just don't really
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see why people are. You know, it's a problem if
you're not one hundred percent one or one hundred percent
the other. I think it's actually really really sad somehow.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I can't I can't. Don't think it would come across
well if I celebrated just my magnificence because I'm a
combination of Scottish and Viking. Yeah, maybe not quite the
same thing anyway. Hey, international politics, now, I don't know
how much it resonates in New Zealand, but this prisoner
swap between Russia and the West. The more I read
(24:49):
about this the more you see how much work went
into it. I think there were sixteen prisoners from return
from Russia and return from eight who went the other way.
But the efforts diplomacy and getting people home, including the
recently convicted Gershwitz guy from the Washington Post, that is
actually quite an It almost seems like old school sort
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of East West cole Woard diplomacy victories. But Irena, it's
actually quite a remarkable feat and for the Biden administration
as well.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
It's incredible.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
And funnily enough, the last time I was on, I
was talking about Joe Biden because he'd just done the
terrible debate performance. But I was saying that thing of yeah,
he's getting older. He's not a great speaker anymore, if
he ever was, because he's always had to control the stutter.
But he has been an incredibly good president in the
sense of getting things done and just sort of quiet
diplomacy behind the scenes, and you know, working with a
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lot of different people. He's been incredible. He's actually been
you know, I think history will judge him very well
as a president who was able to make a lot
of things happen. And this is incredible. This is actually
an amazing achievement for him and a whole lot of
other people. But I just think it is a good
example of why he has been such a great president,
even though the decision has now been made for him
(26:02):
to step aside, you know, in terms of the next term,
it's you know, it's quite good having him still in there,
or things like this, And there was that also, you know,
we're talking about magical moments before. There was a lovely
moment we pulled off his president flag pin and Pinda
on one of the guys, which.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well, again see that that first part of the Martin
Luther King quote. People like to have a crack at
button because of his age and things. But the content
of his character as a president, I think is going
to be a good legacy is going to leave, isn't it.
Willelmina Wells, Wells, Wells, Wells, Wells, Wells. It's because it's
a serious topic.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I need to add them those extra syllables, gravitas. You know,
I get it, I get it, I get it one
hundred percent. I think, if you know, it's it's obviously
his his his time and this role has come to
a sudden end and a very very you know, dramatic end,
I guess one would say, but he has left lasting
impression here in a lasting memory and a lasting legacy.
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I think it's a great show of diplomacy between what
would be you know, two parts of society or you know,
particular nations that don't exactly see eye to eye. And
I feel like, you know, if this was one thing
that he could do before he actually exited, it's a
great thing. I don't know what it will actually if
it will mean anything for relations ongoing with Russia. I
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kind of feel like this is a thing in itself.
This is quite separate to the to the Ukraine Russia conflict,
but good on him for doing something that has obviously
made a massive difference.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Also incredibly complex, and it goes back to the times
when alex da Valne was going to be included in
the prisoner swap and it's gone on for that long.
Of course, he's since been bumped off.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
His wife has been quite involved in, you know, behind
the scenes. And there was an interesting interaction with the
journalist where they said to Biden, or but what about
so and so that you know the teacher, you know,
there's still nothing there and and Biden yes, yes, we're
working on that. We're working on that and well what
are you doing? Yeah, like I'm going to tell you
that and.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Ruin that.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Humorous sometimes it's good, which is good. We love too.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Right, We're going to be back in just a moment
where with my panelist Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Irene Gardner. I'm
Tim Beverage is coming up to twenty to four news
talk zib Welcome back to the Weekend Collective, Umpton Beverage.
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My guests, so Wilhelmina Shrimpson otherwise known as Will's and
Irene Gardner. And now that song. Just for a fun
fact for you, I've We've made Wilhelmina very happy because
this is your of course, has I introduced you. There's
been a Women's Day article talking about you and Ben
in the rugby reef and and your plans for the future,
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and this is your songs.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
And funnily enough, the last time I did a talkback chef,
this played out of the break and I think I
gave him a little shout out. I was like, oh,
my partner, I love the song. We're just disgustingly cheesy, aren't.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
We, Because the version of this song I know is
the much, much, much older one with Susi Quatro and
her partner of the time from Smoky what's his name,
Norman la Ones like dance I know this from like
the seventies.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Wow, I just assumed they were one and the same.
But it's okay, you know it's got that's right, it's
got a slightly more modern beat anyway, speaking of modern entertainment,
I don't know if it's a poor link. I think
this is a fascinating story. The whole ethics and the
unwritten rules that society has rules and we have norms,
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and it's like a norm that you can sort of
smuggle food into a movie theater. You're not supposed to.
It's against the rules, but the rulers don't get caught.
So there are a couple of there are a couple
of women who've been banned from a movie theater after
they brought in their own food. They've been trespassed from
a movie theatre and pooka koe for bringing in their
own food.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
But I said the movie title was despicable me.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
As well, exactly. But here's the here's the thing I
think that tells a or leaves room for a bit
of imagination. They claimed they didn't see any signs of
preventing food, and the police were called after the exchange
became heated. So I'm putting it on them because you
know what, if you have brought food into a theater
and one of the ashes or movie manager, cinema manager
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comes up and says, I'm sorry, you're not allowed to
bring food into the theater unless you've pitched it on
the premises, can you please take it out? I would say, oh, sorry,
and I'd either quickly shove the whole pine in my
mouth and go gone, come on, I'd exit. Iren. Have
you ever smuggled food into a cinema?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
No, I know I have, but in my case it
would be like a tiny, you know, snack bar of
my choosing that, you.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Know, And you know, I thought you were going to
say a cammbera and a fine rose.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Apple or something, and you know, you'd just be a
bit subtle about it. But I understand why it's a rule,
and actually, quite frankly, in these days where it's incredibly
difficult to get people to go to the cinema, you know,
good luck to them for making some money on the
candy bar. I reckon. There's a whole lot more to
this story than you know. This is one of those
there's ten sides to every story. For this to have
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escalated the way it did, either the people or the
staff behaved very rudely and badly, or they both did.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
There's a key question here that hasn't been answered. Guys,
what was the food in question?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
It was it was movie type food. It was popcorn.
Oh okay, so a lot of chips and stuff that
they could have bordered the camp.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
There's a spectrum of snacks, right, so you know you've
got the movie type food, right. You go to the countdown,
you discount every day rewards whatever. Malteseers or there's people
who bring in like a whole pack lunch, like a
sandwiche or a you know, a Burger King meal or
something which is probably not okay, smuggling in a bag
of M and ms. I think they had quite a lot, right, Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Maybe they've taken their children, both five to see to
Spica a woman, and.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
They had quite a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I had once taking a Burger King combo, chips and
lollies they were to rush to.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Here's the thing. They were chips. They want to rush
to get their tickets. But you see, they wouldn't have
been in a rush if they hadn't had to go
somewhere else to get their food beforehand.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
They're in the New World. They're in the line at
the New World on the countdown. I think, yeah, are.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
You actually I think you were slightly beheadedness going on
around it all?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Both potentially, what about with the constant living crisis, right,
movie tickets are twenty bucks each? What about a Bayo charge?
You know you pay five dollars or eight dollars for
corkage at a at a you know, Thai restaurant. What
about a Bayo movie charge? You know Byo snacks.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, that sounds complicated, doesn't because it's of course you're
going to avoid that charge to be like, oh I
don't want to pay the Byo charge. Just don't show it,
just keep it.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
But it does rely on people's honestly, you I mean
you would sort of think the staff member might have said, hey,
you're not really allowed to do that, don't do it again. Actually,
but it's okay for this.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
And the other thing is my I actually haven't been
to the cinema for so long I couldn't even tell
you when the last time was, but I do remember
the last time going. You get your tickets and then
you get your snacks, and you go, how much was
it for a glass of wine and a thing of popcorn?
How much that's more than the Oh my goodness, maybe
we should have brought our own.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
But that's what's keeping the cinema alive. So hard now
for them, so you know, you can't begrudge that, I think.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
And actually, my local movie theater, which I think might
actually tie into what we're going to talk about next.
My local movie theater does Uber eats with why know?
But Ober eats with the popcorn and the Maltesers and everything.
Because I love movie popcorn. There's nothing more satisfying to
me than sitting down with one of those giant tubes
and the salty buttery of deliciousness yum is like my
I think I like it more than the actual movie,
(33:52):
to be honest. Is going there for the popcorn. And
the other day I ordered it was buy one, get
one free. By the way, Yeah, what the biggest popcorn
container you could possibly buy? Buy and get one free?
So I bought two of those and a pack of
Maltesers and had a little movie night. It was great.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Lovely can be on the couch. Actually, sorry, what I
don't actually how long? How long since you guys went
to the cinema last weekend? Okay, of course you're in
date dating mode. Of course, what about you?
Speaker 4 (34:21):
I'm not going to answer, honestly, because as the president
of the Screen Producers Guild, I should be going to
the cinema all the time. So I'm not going to
answer because actually.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Might incriminate you.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
It's a little wow.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
If you were going to go to a movie, is
any thing I couldn't tell you a single movie that
wasn't book?
Speaker 4 (34:38):
That was because it's a fabulous local one book one.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Okay, there we go. There's a recommendation from our own.
There's one for you and been to go and watch
last weekend?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
What do we see? Dead Pool and Wolverine?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh it was out the gate a romantic movie. Yeah, lovely, Okay,
you can't take a moment. I'm just going to recover.
I have a cup of tea and a lie down
and we'll be back in just to tick. It's eleven
minutes to four. News talks' b Yes, welcome back to
(35:24):
the Weekend Collective. This is the parallel I'm tion beverage
my guests of Wilhelmina Shrimpton and Irene Gardener. Actually, just
a lot of people texted me about the story about
the women being kicked out of the cinema, and everyone
on the text, even though it's not in the article
that I'm reading, said that they also brought a movie
snack was KFC and the staff are sick of picking
up bones, and I can imagine that would be a goodness, Yeah,
(35:47):
chicken bones if that is true.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
And I don't know that it is because it wasn't
an original story, but if that is true, I think
you can't bring in things that smell hot food.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
The speicture of snacks.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Some people should leave themselves out of the theater and that.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
No hot food, but you know, tempah cold fertisfied.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Actually just we've only got a couple of minutes, but
I do want to touch on this, and it's a
bit of a we're switching back to the US politics,
but I thought it was worth mentioning that the guy
who has correctly predicted at almost every US election since
nineteen eighty four has now completed as forecasting for the
US election and reckons that Karmala Harris has got the
(36:26):
is going to win. He's forecasting win for Karmala Harris.
And the reason I think it's remarkable is that before
Biden announced that he was stepping down, I didn't think
Karmala Harris was the answer. But it seems that the
momentum behind her, her irene is massive.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
It is. It's really energized things in a way that
I wouldn't necessarily have predicted. It's weirdly, I know a
lot of people thought Joe Biden should have stepped down earlier,
but weirdly, the timing of it has ended up being
strategically perfect. In some stranger jd Vance was, he's been
appointed and they're you know, they're not a great combo
(37:04):
against her. It's coming with this big rush of energy.
I think they've managed to do it in a way
that's kept Joe Biden's dignity. It's I think I think
she probably is going to want I.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Subject to their electoral College.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Well, they've got such a weird system. They've got such
a weird system, and their polling is never to be trusted.
But can I just say for my own record that
I predicted that the year that Trump won, I predicted
it right the year that Biden won, and I predicted
that the midterms would be a blue wave, not a
red wave. So I'm on a good roll.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Well what's your prediction now, Kamala. Yes, there we go.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
I'm excited. I think just well refreshing, exciting. It's exactly
what was needed. I think that what should be commended
is her marketing team. Oh my gosh, they've been working
hard behind the scenes, haven't they. I mean, they clearly
knew that this was coming, and they came out with
a bang and a bang so big that everyone stopped
talking about the assassination attempt in favor of Biden stepping
(38:02):
down and Karmala stepping up.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
What is that only is how many weeks ago? As that?
Is it two or three weeks ago?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yes, it feels like not that long ago month. And
that was, you know, an historic moment, that was huge,
huge news news. And the fact that that has just
disappeared into the ether, I think just goes to show
how strong her campaign is. I think she's going to
pollogic indo six weeks out or whatever. She's one of
the zeitgeist of the election period.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I think it's about ninety six days or something to go. Yeah,
so actually, thank goodness, it's only less than hundred days
at least as opposed to this ridiculously long campaign.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
But it's exciting. It's so exciting now and I feel
positive about it, whereas before I was terrified.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well that's good as well. Hey, thank you so much
for coming an, Irene Gardener, Wilhelmina Shrimpton. Been a great
fun panel. And you know you can put your feet
up now. You can nurse your dog bite there, Irene,
and you can go carry on the canedling on the
couch Willem and Shrimpton with the love of your life.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Okay, nothing you jealous or anything anyway, and.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Thanks so much. Great to see you guys. We'll be
back with the one roufradio show in just a moment.
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Speaker 1 (39:26):
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