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January 9, 2025 • 34 mins

It's a new era for the All Blacks with Scott 'Razor' Robertson in charge.

He's announced his first squad, Scott Barrett taking over the captaincy from Sam Cane, Jordie Barrett and Ardie Savea sharing the role of deputy.

What's in store for this new era? What will change? How will the All Blacks evolve?

Razor joined Jason Pine for a one hour exclusive, taking calls and answering your burning questions.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks EDB. You All Blacks coach Scott Robertson
taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
on Weekend Sport with Jason.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Muse sem Yes, it is welcome back into the show.
This is Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB coming to
your live from the wonderful New Zealand Campus of Innovation
and Sports. Seven past one. I'm Jason Pine. It is
a great pleasure to welcome in the man, who, as
I said before one o'clock many believe, has the biggest
job in New Zealand, not the Prime Minister, but the
coach of the All Black Scott Robertson is here. Nice

(00:49):
to see you, Raizer.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
How are you good afternoon? Good to be in the
hut and thanks for having me on. Jason.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's great to have you have you with us. I've
got a bunch of questions. You'll have some as well.
Nine two nine to two for the text or eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. Scott's happy to take some of
your calls and questions. You were appointed All Blacks coach
on the twenty first of March twenty twenty three. You
finally got your hands on the squad. How are the
four hundred and sixty six days in between?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Obviously had a few games in between that before you know,
the my last one down with the Crusaders, and spent
the off season painting getting all the selection of the staff.
So excuse me, the coaching group, management group finalized how
we're going to play and then had a whole super

(01:34):
season to select and what the seasons it's been. You know,
some great names been put up through their performances, and
you know over that period of time, that year that
you've had, because you know, I've been coaching back to
back to back over a long period of time, it
was good just to sit back and reflect and make
sure you plan for the biggest year ever. Fourteen tests,

(01:55):
nine of them away. So it's good to get some
players in front of Heather.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I was going to ask that because how challenging has
it been given the comparison to the last six seven
years or whatever it's been. When you were at the
the Crusaders coach, you see your players week in week out.
You have a game on the weekend. How challenging has
it been to be patient and wait to get your
hands on your team?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Uh? Yeah, Look you've because you've gotten for a short
period of time. You've got their ten days before your play.
You've got all these ideas, you've got all these thoughts
how you're going to beat England, But how do you
put it off across simply enough? So you give them enough,
not too much, not too little. You know, there's a

(02:37):
fine balance and the art of it. So we've got
a lot of experienced players, you know, we've we've talked
to them, We've we've covered up day by day. We've
got to have a check, you know. You've got to
get every day right, not just the ten days. You've
got to get every day right. There's the first time
we've focused on how do we own our own areas?
And then the connection piece, you know, and we'll talk

(02:57):
about intencs when out here. This is the perfect pace
to do it.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, it's a terrific facility. In terms of coming up
with your squad. Let's talk a little bit about that.
The first that you picked, did you come up with
a game plan first and then select the players to
implement that game plan. Or did you look at the
New Zealand Elite rugby landscape and say, Roc, I've got
those guys, here's the plan they might be able to implement.
Which way around was it?

Speaker 3 (03:21):
I think it's a combination of both. You know, to
to beat the team in front of your ability to adapt.
You know, if you're if you're going to play really
confronting head on game, go through teams or go around teams,
you've got to be able to do both. And I
think that's what we've done over the years. Saven we
is you got a high skill set. You know, we're physical,

(03:44):
you know, can offload in the tackle, we can go through,
We've got a great set piece, We've got some you know,
a really a balanced group. And then it's how you
manage the game and who's in front of you. We
know that you know England style, they pressure aside, they
trom when there and the ground on you, and you've
got to adapt to that. You know, you might not
give many options opportunities or you might get a few,

(04:06):
so be ready for both.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
How did you come up with your captain h The first.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Thing for me is I look at that as the
on field captain, you know, the captaincy. Are they successful
as captain? How hard do they work? Are they respected
by the opposition? And obviously I've mentioned before with Scott's Scoter,
it's easy because if you Scott's Scooter is that he's
all of those. We've got a great relationship and he's

(04:35):
the man.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, did you allow him? I think I heard you say,
but did you allow him to select his vice captains
or did you have a hand in that as well?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
No, for sure. You know, I gave him a plenty
of time to think about the role, and he talked
to Smiley as you do if you're a Barrett. Yep,
God bless the Barretts and and the you know, he
went through the process and he's a deep thinker, and he,
you know, was when he came back he was extremely

(05:06):
he grateful for the opportunity to humbled and ready to go.
You know that the period and time and the captain
seeing the success he had where the Crusaders was a
great opportunity from the step up and where is it
in his age? You ready?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I feel like if you're asked to be the all
Blacks captain, you just say yes straight away? Or is
that not the case, because clearly he went away and
thought long and hard about it. Did you ever think
he might say no?

Speaker 5 (05:32):
No?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
I just know how he works. I think if you
have said no straight away, that'll be different. Like he
was notdding when he asked me when I asked him sorry,
and we had the conversation and he goes, yep, yep,
I've just got to talk to a couple of people
when he did. That's just the way he works. People
are different.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
And yeah, how conscious did you have to be when
selecting the team of your association with the Crusaders and
making sure that there was no suggestion that you were
just picking guys so you had a great knowledge of
from your time at the Crusaders.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Did that come into your mind at all?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Well, I'm picking the best players, you know. I think
that's the key thing. Whatever duty they're wearing, the best
players for that position in our country. Obviously he's going
to be combinations and the you know, experience, and but
there was my mindset pick the best player. You know,
we've got a really good balanced squad and you know,

(06:31):
you always have people challenge your thoughts. You know, the
way we set it up with our selection and our criteria,
with the selection, with the coaching staff doing it, and
some of the had a customer on it when you
need to, and we had discussions. So look, I think
it's really really balanced. And I think if you're a
coach and you've coached a team, it's naturally people ask
that question, isn't it. The last coach probably had the

(06:53):
same question as the last coach, the same question, so
that you're doing your job well.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I guess because I think people just assume and I'm
sure it's the case that you have got a deeper
relationship with God. So you've guided for nearly a decade
in black and red. You know what makes them tick,
you know what they're capable of. So I guess it
would be natural in any ways to say, you know what,
I know what that guy's about. I'm not quite sure
about that guy. If it's a flip of the corn,
you take the guy you know, don't you.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, but I suppose he's been an unconscious bias or
is a natural bias towards people you know, and you've
had desist and trust, but it's still going to be earned.
I think that's the first thing you know, and you
said with a squad that we've picked, is it's been earned?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
And what about guys who you've worked with and had
a long relationship with. In fact, I'll give you a
specific example, David HARVILLI leaving him out of this squad.
How difficult a conversation was that.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Just an honest one, really clear what he needs to do,
you know, to get into the squad. And while we've
done it, so that was simple as that. Look, he
appreciates it because you're honest with people for a long
period of time, you build that trust and he acknowledged it.
You know, you probably hadn't put himself in a position

(08:09):
to be in that for And there's a players, a
couple of plawers playing great footy and and that's how
hard it is with the.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Why didn't you select hoskinsitutu.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
As I've said before, it's important I understanding and repeating
what I've said.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Before, just pretend it's for the first time.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Look Test football, it's very very physical with the ball
and without the ball, and it's especially with the loose forwards.
It's the ability to the influence on both sides. You know,
the pressure cycles that you're on, the ability to you know,
be tackling for long periods of time. Your work right

(08:55):
off the ball is really really important. So there's conversations
I've had and we've put players that we believe can
achieve that.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Is it fair to say that Ardie Save is likely
to be the starting number eight and therefore anybody else
in the number eight position is naturally going to be
a bit of a backup anyway.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Well, he will play, Yeah, start there, he can play footy.
He's a great, great influence, great leader, like he's awesome
around the environment and look here, totally likely he's going
to he's going to start in the team and you know,
like what he did the World Cup and he's don't

(09:38):
know if your last few years of influence on off
the field is very critical.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Tell us about the brief that you gave to each
of your assistant coaches around selection. I spoke to Jason
Holland on the radio at the beginning of the week,
just after the team was sam I got the midfield backs,
Scott Hanson got you half backs and first fights. You
still had the power to veto though presumably.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Did Yeah, that's what that's why you're the head coach.
Here goes. If things don't go well on you, you
get the opportunity to make the calls. And it's going
to be always a debate along the way. In lock,
ninety percent of them were we agreed. It's like most things,

(10:20):
it says last couple that you go deep on and
then if you have to make a call, you do.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
You've got Rugby Championship and then the end of your tour.
How many guys you reckon you'll need this year?

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Forty Yeah, on average, we looked at the numbers. There's
somewhere between sort of forty maybe to forty four if fits,
a little bit more difficult, but so there's going to
be opportunities. You know, there's the squad's going to be in.
We have three different squads this year. We're we're going
on incredible end of the year tour as you know,

(10:50):
and these are AB's fifteen as well. So there's a
lot of selections, a lot of opportunities for people to
play and get themselves at a black Jersey.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
How do you assess the depth of I'll give you
a couple of positions. Locke. We lost Sam white Lock,
Brady Retelling, we almost lost Patrick two a lot of
incredibly as powers of a recovery were beyond what any
of us imagined. Adie was sl lock forward.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, it's interesting when you do like two in a
row like two at the same time. Sorry, the highest
quality you.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
Do.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Look and reflect and obviously with Petty coming in for
the odd tests you've got scooters on sixty odd and
you've you know the Josh Loud's been injured the majority
of the year and test locks are big, they're beg,
they're tor men or they're extremely mobile and you look
at the Irish a second row just the incredible mobility

(11:44):
of it. So look this one area like in then
obviously with Petty coming back, made a massive difference for us.
But you know we've got amaging merging Place program that
we tag in with, you know, looking at them on
and off field, which trying to fast track them as
possibly can to make sure they come through and get
the size on they get the aerial schools that required

(12:05):
a lot of them, you know, tor me and take time.
They're a little bit longer than others. You know, they
can develop blade. You know, Sam Day's in with us
you know, he's said as Sam Whitelock got good feet work, footwork,
he's got a great engine. So him just being in
this week and being around in his injurycovery is you know,
he'll just grow and he'll come quick.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
And by comparison, there seems to be any number of
loose forward you could have chosen the opposition of us.
Love watching all the six, sevens and eight running around.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Are you oh, the quality of the depth, the different
skill set, you know, your trademarks have got, you know,
things that they go back to their strengths, you know
under the head of the game. And you know, like
like I as a prime example, what a season, breakout
season for him, both break great, both sides of the ball,

(12:55):
so quick in the line out. But he to pay seven,
eight and two positions. And that's a great thing about
the loose food ward group that we've got here. They
all can play two positions, you know, especially if you're
going to be you're on the bench, if you're going
to come off the bench, you've got to play a
couple or three.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Are you Do you think the data of a lock
loose forward utility you're gone or is that still a thing?

Speaker 5 (13:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Look, I think Shennon Frazel was on a prime example
of that. Simmer Penny finale. Can can do it all
the other way around. You know, it can go to
six if required, which is done many times just because
you're you're locking stock. So yeah, look, you've got still
got hybrid players. You've got players you can play in
a couple of positions. Look at the South Averring and
you can go number eight and hooker. And I think

(13:41):
it's really critical as you get closer to World Cup cycles,
you're you know you're thirty three, that you're picking the
versatility and the ability to play two or three positions.
We'll get you in the squad.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
You mentioned the World Cup there and I had that
written down. How much of what you do in twenty
twenty four is with an eye to the next Rugby
World Cup in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Look, I think the importance of the beet Jersey is
you're winning to develop. There's a little bit of expectation
that comes with it, and I'm well aware of that,
and so it's important the win the test bats in
front of you, but grow people give them opportunities, get

(14:23):
them in combinations and so they over you set them
up to succeed over the next four years. Try them.
Are they test for ballers? Can they handle it? Can
you The weeks have big, the expectations high, the pressures
are and we get them ready for it, and then
the opportunities for them when we find out and some
people surprise you.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
What about guys who you aren't sure will make it
to twenty twenty seven? You know, they're in their thirties
and there is some guys in your squad with you know,
a lot of experience. Who might Who is everybody who's
been picked this week? Do you think that they'll be
eligible or available in twenty twenty seven? All going well,

(15:05):
it's good question.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
And without going through the food od that we're here.
Off the top of my mind, oh look, it's amazing
how old you can get, you know, no joint injuries
in your career, the longevity can get after looking after
your body, the you know, the sports science, the recovery

(15:30):
is incredible. And they're playing good Arabian like look at
look at the South African team. They had a lot
of goal older mature players that had great leadership and
in the last all back squad that went over you know,
it's still playing good foot den gold, look at us
dan culture age to look at his you know, contribution

(15:51):
on and off the field, So you need them for sure.
Look I can't answer there right now four years out,
but I'm sure there are in any way, just.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
A couple moreful to take a break. How much of
what was so successful for you at the Crusaders is
transferable into the all Blacks environment.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
All the culture and leadership stuff and like on field coaching.
And that's how I sort of break it up those
three areas. You've got to get your game right along
with your leadership how they how do they drive the
team on and off the field. And then also the
cultural but you know which identity, who you are, where
you're playing for, what do you care about any roles

(16:32):
in responsibilities? And then there comes with the cultural the
people side of it. So a lot of that transference
comes along and it's a black jusey. We're taking it
to a whole country now. You know, we've got a
great responsibility that we've been given by you know, our
ancestors and the people that have played in our Juwsey
before and all the fans that have been with us

(16:52):
along along the way. So it's just a lot bigger.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
If I'm just trying to think of the right way
to ask this question that if someone looked down from
above and wasn't able to see whether you were the
Crusaders coach with the All Blacks coach, well they notice
a difference. Do you think you'll be different in an
All Blacks environment than you were in the Crusader's environment.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, I think they probably will be. I think they
probably will be. I'm interested to.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Know how though I look on I'm still the same pisce.
I'm not going to you know, the energy I bring
every day and the enjoyment of it, and you know
that we just hit a couple of hours training and
I'm walking around observing chipping and when I need to
giving a little bit of feedback to the coaches to

(17:36):
just using my eye. But because of Breda with the
you know the on field and off field stuff. You know,
we've got a commercial manager now and a rugby manager.
You know, we've got two CEOs in our organization. There's
a couple of hundred staff. So it's a bigger to
give you a context. You know, I don't know seven
lawyers you know we've got it's a big So you

(18:01):
need incredible coaching group around you and incredible management and
they have to be world leading. They truly do so.
You know I do my thing, but you have to
give ownership and trust to so many people to go
and and on their role and make the place, will
get the past prepared for you to be the best
I can.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Last question before the break is around how big it
is and how little time you have? How do you
work out the best use each day and each hour?
I mean you've given us an hour. This is incredible.
I know you're so busy, but how do you work
out the best use of every hour in your day?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Look, you've got to have time for people. It's number one.
And you've got to get your panning done early, and
then it's getting getting time in front, eyes on, eyes around,
the opportunities when you're eating their connection piece on and off,
being a steppy head looking not what that day is,

(18:58):
but the next week is in a couple of weeks.
You know, when you start getting into the NBC and
you've got guys paying, you're looking at the schedule for
the NPC, you've got all the injured guys that are
coming back and forward. You know, you're starting to work
with Clayton McMillan around eight or backs fifteen, you're starting
to share. So there's a lot of big picture stuff

(19:20):
that comes along with it. And I love it. I
I really enjoy it. I love forecasting being ahead, not
just like I said, from now until the end of
the year.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Our guest at the New Zealand Campus Innovation and Sport,
of course, is one thirty on news talks there, but
you got another fifteen minutes or so with Scott Robertson here.
Let's go to the phones and get some questions from
our audience. Stuart, your question for us, Scott Robertson.

Speaker 8 (19:47):
Oh, thanks, thanks gentlemen for the opportunity.

Speaker 7 (19:51):
Coach.

Speaker 8 (19:52):
I know it's not a good thing to jump ahead
to future test matches. I'm just thinking about the Rugby
Championship and the two test matches coming up in South Africa.
I noted that the South Africans employed a situation where

(20:13):
they had eight forwards in the reserves. I think they
called it like an eight mill split.

Speaker 6 (20:20):
And it occurs to me that you.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
Could almost a big forward, you could almost have two
lots of forwards in an eighteen minute test match. I
know it the gamble, but do you do you fear
something like that or do you see some merit in
an eight mil split?

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Sir, good question, Thanks Stuart, thanks for calling. And it's
an eight. I'm not sure about eight. Sometimes it's seven,
seven one or sixty split. But this a whole four
packed Jason one wants next? Would you say this? He'll
probably employ it. But look, I think especially in South Africa,

(21:01):
that's this is strength. You know, they've the impact that
they can bring on personally. If he lose it back early,
it makes things a little bit difficult. You're going to
lose wood on the wing potentially. But I look, let's
just talk about the trip to South Africa. It's a
hell of an opportunity and a hell of a test

(21:23):
for us to go to Joe get down the Cape down.
Men the Cape down for seven eight years like us
playing down there, so to open that up, and you know,
lot of Kiwis are coming over because it's special. You know,
that's the special part. Those are getting up in the
middle of the night memories, aren't they from a young
kid to watch them great heroes of ourselves all be

(21:45):
still come from behind, big long drop kicks. We've had
everything over there, so it's going to be a special
couple of weeks for us.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, brilliant, Thank you, Stuar. I appreciate it. You've got
a question for Scott Robertson about his name I think
or his nickname.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yes I have, but before I start, could I please
just congratulate Scott on his lovely doccer on TV at
the moment called Razor, and I've been watching it. I
think his next career might be in TV just before
I start. Ninety four years of age, and I've been

(22:20):
watching the Canterbury team ever since well I can't remember
when Roby Dines was playing full back, then on etc.
But I've always followed the Crusaders. Absolutely love him and
congratulations when you had them, and I hope you're as
successful as the All Blacks. Now, the question I was

(22:41):
going to ask you is how you got the name Razor?
And the other one is do you get annoy the
amount of people and they're so called in the media
as well, you keep calling you Robinson.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
You're right on. Yeah, look doc here was done a
while back, and I think people appreciate off. I actually
can't watch I can't watch myself do that sort of stuff.
So I'm glad people enjoying, so thank you. And I

(23:17):
looked the nickname. Well, it's a long story. Somebody else
gave me another nickname which I didn't like, so I
gave myself my one, which is stuck. Fortunately, And what
happened was we had a guy David Knox and pet

(23:38):
pet Howard did have won to cut for the Brumbies.
It was nineteen ninety six. The Crusaders were playing at
Linkage the Park then and I threw my shoulder and
cut him and half like it was a good tackle.

Speaker 8 (23:48):
It was.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
It was a brilliant Pierson and I got off and
just the shoulder off and one of the boys said
what are you doing And I said, oh, you know,
just dusting off the blade and it's what do you mean?
And I said, oh, you know, they'll razor bow cut
him and half and through a little bit of branding,
a lot of lot, you know, a bit of a
a dad's stuck. So there's the story.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I love it. Thank you Fai for your for your
call and your lovely words as well. Let's go to Pete. Pete,
what's your question for for your Blacks coach.

Speaker 6 (24:20):
I was just wondering what he sees as a makeup
for the half back first five combination with Cortius Radama
and d Neck or does he see body at fallback or.

Speaker 7 (24:32):
Stephen going to start there? But the makeup there I
think is really peis played together during the during the
season and they know each other really well, and I
think d mack will just keep him calm while he
is here. If he does, he just can't not to
say that Finlay's sin is great. But are you looking
at combinations here or is it going to be something

(24:54):
else depending on the makeup of the English.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Team you thinks Pete, Can I ask you a question
you from? Was he from?

Speaker 8 (25:02):
No?

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Not?

Speaker 7 (25:02):
Actually?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Okay, whatever way you go. Everyone's a select there the whole.
But yeah, a good question. Obviously Tuesday will definitely find out.
But you do look at combinations and someone like a
court Latima, who's wants to Taku Balow. He's a competity,
works so hard off the ball, is inside running, he's

(25:23):
graded his craft looks scridhends and you know he's been
working with you know him from Afar all the half
back to around New Zealand and like he's really really
impressed in that combination with d mac as important. Look,
I think parent Arra is playing some for they at
the moment come back off at injury like that at

(25:44):
that highest level. Just put some perspective what an athlete
in the person he is. So look, we've got some
choices to make there and we'll see a Tuesday with
a it's the selection.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Pete good man, Pete, thanks for your question. Let's move on. David.
You've got a question for the raiser.

Speaker 6 (26:01):
Yeah, what's happened to the drop check?

Speaker 2 (26:05):
What does have into the drop kick? David wants to know, Razor.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Jeez, good question the drop kick? Are we going to
practice one in the next couple of days now after
you just mentioned that, Oh look there's a time and
place for it. Obviously England had been good at it.
An't know the look they want to World Cup game
off the back of it. You've got to have it there,
You've got you've got to put it in your bank
and to make sure it's three points. It's it's just

(26:31):
like you do with the penalty. So look we've won,
we've won games on it before, so yep, it's on the.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
List rest assured David the drop kick is there? Are
Tim your question for Razor?

Speaker 8 (26:43):
Hey, I'm just wondering what was the reasoning behind only
picking three specialized locks?

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah? Good, I look with the squad of thirty two
and the simmer Penny female that can cover lock and
just the injuries. At that time, we felt that was
our best mix because we can bring an injury coovery,
brought a young guy in like like I saim Day,
so it gave herself fourth and that that was the
reason behind it. And also we've got some quality loose

(27:12):
Fords as well. So we've got the next one coming
through and it's three experienced second roles.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Let's go to h Tony. What's your question, Tony.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
Scotty? What do you say to your team when they
don't follow instructions?

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Who are you talking about here? Is this you said
you see someone else in the households?

Speaker 5 (27:35):
No?

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Maybe the blacks?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yes, okay, we have to repect obviously if if you have,
if they're not, they're not delivering, it's either you you
look at yourself first. I think it's the first. But
how are you delivering the message? Why isn't it getting across?
And then probably the big thing is check for clarity
and understanding and if it doesn't, still keep working. Just

(28:03):
give them an opportunity somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Thanks for call Tony. Let's go to Mark. What have
you got as a question? Mark? Good afternoon, our first all,
congratulations Raiser on your appointment, and congratulations for picking TJ.

Speaker 8 (28:18):
Jason's already asked one of the questions for me, I'm
blue supporter, O what do Toskin really have to do
to get in? And the other one in a lesson
note maybe is Rick Telly?

Speaker 2 (28:32):
All right? Hoskins A two till Ricky Rickattelly both missed
the cut this time? Do they are they in the
picture still?

Speaker 8 (28:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Look Costin, because you know I had the conversation. I
talked them through the year and I showed him what
was required so you need could talk about individual conversations
on the radio. But so he knows. Of course he's
an opportunity to get back. And I mentioned a lot
before around the areas the what areas in Rickitelly? Yeah,

(28:58):
look he was, he was in the conversation. Looked at
him closely. Look our coach them through twenties nine personally
and which you just believe these three hockeys are the
beast for us moving forward.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
All right, and one final question on the phones another Mark,
Hi Mark.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
Hey fin Raiser. Yeah, just a general question.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
What is what does success got like at the end
of raisers reign as all black coat?

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Oh cured. It's a good job interview, good question. Success
looks like we've we've got a team that can adapt
and when the test met in front of them. Great
depth in their squad, so guys can come in and

(29:46):
out and play different positions as we travel around the world.
That's what success looks like for us.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Good on your Mark, Thanks for your question, Thanks for
all your questions. I've got a couple more before we
knock it on the head. You've got other places to
be Raiser, keep spin and camp. I saw a photo
of Paul Williams and Paul Williams as well, So what's
the energy or the rationale behind that?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, it's great. It's important. Like they adjudicate the game,
don't they. So you need to be connected. You understand
what the rulings are, the interpretation because we've got laws,
as they call it, interpretation of laws, and the some
time can be frustrating for people and for us, So
we're trying to make as clear as possible as we
possibly can. They give us, keep us consistently updated. Look

(30:30):
at the ref that we've got in front of them.
What is his personality? How does he ref? And he
gets on field with us, you know, du Kates, we
have some tough training, you know, physical training, so he
gets a whistle in his hand as well.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
How much scrutiny do you expect in.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
This role.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
As much as any other we'll Black coach.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Compared compared to the scrutiny you receive this Crusaders coach.
How how elevated is it.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Obviously extremely elevated? You know the expectation is on men
mentioned before as high the responsibility of the role. It's
something I've prepared myself as for the last eleven years
as a head coach. You know, I've set myself up
like a player. Does you know you spend trying to
get as many experience as you can. You know, from

(31:26):
coaching my club side to my NBC side to super side.
It's naturally the progression and up and all those experiences
help you, you know, to deal with the scrutiny. The
biggest thing is I dont know who I am, who
I need around me, and then there's an element I'm
going to enjoy it, but I've got I've just got
to own it as well. Then that's the biggest thing.

(31:48):
If it works or doesn't.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Do you have a close in a circle of people
outside of rugby, yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
I've got two or three people that I talk as
mentors for the rugby side of it and one or
two on the outside of it. You know, what do
they see? How's the messaging? How am I coming up
ross too? You know on field, Like I was talking
about my own personalshapality, myself and then also just someone
to put a bit of perspective on life because you

(32:19):
know it's going to come in some capacity and it's
always good to talk. That's how I work. I need
to talk through it with somebody and it just clears
and head and.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
In terms of the guidance you take. So there are
certain people who I mean, everyone's got an opinion, as
you know.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, and it's a beautiful thing. I think we need that,
Like you've got to embrace that. People like people you know,
selecting rictellies and they're selecting courts right awesome. When you
lose that, there's the essence of what New zero Rabi
is about. That's the DNA, the connection that people have
got an opinion, that connection to our beautiful black juicy
and that and that sits us on the wall stage.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
You excited.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, like, I'm looking forward.

Speaker 7 (33:00):
To it, like.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
You know that the motions go your sort of I'm
really big focused. I'm getting the weak right so I
can enjoy that, so we can appear someone. A lot
of my focus goes on to the preparation, not so
much the outcome, and that's cloche cliche. And once I
get the process right, I can enjoy them much more.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
All right.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Just to finish this facility? Yeah, how cool, ain't Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Look, Kevin and Malcolm, who who had the vision to
bring this alive? That's pretty incredible. A lot of people
have visions and putting into action and it's still growing.
You know, the huts driving out here, it's been much
time before out here, but it's at works. You know,
it's two minutes to everywhere. It feels like home. The food,

(33:46):
you know, the bedrooms, the green room and guess what
it was the greatest date everyone Wellington this morning. It
was bar me. It was like twenty degrees and then
it rained as we're walking off the fields, so perfect timing, all.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Right, messages for the fans. Finally missus for the fans.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Look yeah, I'll catch for everything as together we walk
and we want to do this together. We want to
bring everyone together in just like the opportunity of people
walked towards it, embraced the challenges ahead. That's will were
antisysted and that's what we'll do and we'll go and
have some fun.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Fantastic Rosa. Thanks for taking the time. It's been entertaining, instructional, educational,
and you've got somewhere else to be. Thanks for taking
the time to join us this afternon cheerse Briney.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Thanks you everyone.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Scott Robinson, all Black's coach.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
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