Full Show Podcast: 28 June 2025

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between one and two tomorrow afternoon, taking my questions, but
more importantly taking your calls. So raise us with us
tomorrow between one and two. Hope you can tune in
and call in if the mood strikes you. This week,
though the big rugby store rory has been at grassroots level. Unfortunately,
there's no junior or senior club rugby being played in

(01:13):
the Holofanua Carpandy Province this weekend. After the Union made
the decision to cancel an entire round of fixtures following
allegations of abuse of a match official in a college
game last weekend. Going to get a New Zealand Rugby
view on this shortly, but I'm ready keen to chat
this through with you and get your experiences on the

(01:33):
sideline abuse of officials at grassroots sport, often school sport,
often junior sport. Do you see it has gotten worse?
And what on earth can be done about it? And
if you are a referee who volunteers your time, how
do you deal with it when it comes your way?

(01:54):
And maybe it's gotten so bad in some places that
volunteers have just said, you know what, I've got better
things to do with my time than this. So I
want to kick that around with you this hour. Other
matters around today. The New Zealanders as of today can
no longer bet with overseas bookmakers under new laws that
have come into effect today. On Wednesday afternoon, the Racing

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Industry Amendment Bill unanimously passed its third reading in Parliament.
It's been signed into law and is in effect as
of now. So if you're a New Zealander and you're
based here and you want to have a bet, you
have to use the tab. Their CEO, Nick Roberts tells
us what that means for Kiwi punters. So GP coming
back to Auckland, can't wagh February fourteen to fifteen next year.

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Ahead of the event for New Zealand is Alex Cory.
She's on the show later on today. All Whites coach
Darren Baisley is with us as well. Confirmation this week
of a trans Tasmin doubleheader All Whites v Soccaroos in September,
and we'll chat about that and how things are looking
ahead of the World Cup which is now less than
a year away. We'll checking also with Auckland CITYFC after

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their return from the FIFA Club World Cup and that
history making one old draw with Boker Juniors Adam Peacock
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Speaker 1 (03:50):
Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails weekend
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Speaker 2 (03:59):
There's no grassroots rugby in the Hollford of a Carpety
province this weekend after the union made the decision to
cancel an entire round of fixtures. This after allegations of
abuse towards a match official in a secondary schools game
last weekend. The union has followed through on their promise
of a month or so ago to do exactly this

(04:21):
following escalating abuse towards their match officials. He's CEO of
Holifordure Carpety, Corey Kennett, on the incident that led to
this decision being made in a secondary school game between
Carpety College and Marna College last weekend.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
What I can say is it was abhorrent and the
abuse was from multiple layers. We're talking about people that
are at games, spectators, players, team team management, to the
point that at the end of the game, the referee

(04:59):
the end of the good individuals, good public individuals. We're
so concerned about the referee safety that he was escorted
to his car.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
So that's Corey Kennedy's holophand a Carpety Chief Executive. Mike
Hester is New Zealand Rugby's head of rugby Participation in
Community Rugby. He joins us. Now, Mike, thanks for taking
the time for a chat this afternoon. Are you in
favor of the action that's been taken by the Holophon
A Carpety Union.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
In short, yes, we absolutely support their decision. As you've
alluded to in the frame up there, they had signal
this really clearly to the community about expectations and the
consequences of they didn't see improvements, and it's a great
shame they've had to go to these links now to
cancel Rugby this weekend.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
It is.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Positive to say that they're following through on that now.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Are they able to act unilaterally on this? Michael? Do
they need to get New Zealand Rugby approval of some
sort before they can take this action.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
This fits entirely within their sort of jurisdiction responsible for
delivering rugby in their community and know best how to
deliver that as well, so that the short answer is
that they don't need to necessarily seek our approval for
such things, but they brilliant positively engage with us around
the issues have had over the last month, so comes
as nice surprise.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Do you think other unions will consider following suit? Have
you heard anecdotally that others, having heard of hor off
into a Corpody's stance a month ago and across this weekend,
will look to do something similar in their provinces.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
I'm not sure that they necessarily will move to these links,
because it all depends on sort of what's happening locally
and where they're at. But certainly the provincial unions are
really well connected with each other and supportive of what
they're all trying to do, so they'll have a really
good understanding of what's led to this carpandy and that
is certainly something that's open to them should they be

(06:57):
expressing sort of similar issues in their.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Pu Do you think that the fact that hold off
on to a company have done it, will I don't know,
open open the door for others, may set a precedent
of sorts. People might say, Okay, hey, they've done it,
we're going to do that as well, and we are
going to follow through with it.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
I think it's obviously save ideally's sive a purpose for
profena company's community around what's expected, but also it will
serve a wider message, I guess, for other provincial unions
and their communities around just what can happen if if
people don't stay above the line in terms of their
passion on sidelines and their attitudes towards those that are

(07:36):
involved with enabling the game. So to some degree, this
is an important decision for HK to make, but we
expect that all have some ramplications for others around what
might happen if done it's a similar improvement and behavior.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Would you consider taking nationwide action of this type.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
I think it would probably be beyond sort of a
sort of level of appropriateness for ended art to consider
doing that, because the reality is we know that provincial
union is the best place to locally lead their game
and lead their communities and so this is a really
a decision for PUS, but certainly would be there to
support them around the actions that they take. This is

(08:18):
of course a really extreme measure that Company I have
had to take in terms of the situation and their
provincial union. There's a whole range of other initiatives and
programs of work that also try to prevent it getting
to this point. So ideally those are the ones that
are actually going to ensure that we don't have to
ever repeat that. These would be metters for local provincial

(08:39):
unions to decide.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Would it not show leadership from the national body if
you were to do something in a nationwide sense, Well,
there's certainly.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
A leadership role for us to play in this space
in which it's around what are we doing in terms
of the safety rails at the top of the cliff
to ensure that behavior doesn't get to this point. So
things around raising awareness and information around the respect we
need to towards met officials and the difficult job they've
got to do, what good behavior looks like, and rewarding

(09:11):
that good behavior through to the sort of embulence at
the bottom of the cliff, which is around holding people
to account for behavior and through judicial processes and measures
like this. So we provide sort of leadership around a
range of things that to use heavnty disposal but probably
not appropriate for them that are to take a position
where we would you actually sort of hold the whole

(09:33):
country to a ban if.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Record and I'm only speaking hypothetically here, but if this
works in a hot of a newer company and in
six months time or a year from now, in the
next winter season, there is a drastic improvement there and
it's connected to the sort of action that they've taken,
would you at that point maybe look at doing something
similar or even taking the lessons you've learned here to

(10:00):
other unions.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
I think this is a good example of, you know,
leadership being applied at a local level. We often try
to work across the provintial unions to share what good
practice looks like or good case studies of initiatives that
have worked. So this is ideally going to be one
that will help that community sort of get back on
a even keel. And so this is that will probably

(10:26):
hold as an example of what provincial unions could do
if they felt it was necessary. Where these are obviously
really extreme steps, and we would prefer not to see
that get to a point where this is necessary.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Do you think abuse directed towards officials at grassroots level
has gotten worse.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
See, we do capture reporting around referee abuse cases, and
that's important for us to sort of understand the national level,
what's happening, where that might be happening, what we can
do to try and influence better outcomes there. Over recent years,
we have seen an increase and some of this is

(11:08):
sort of shoots back to COVID times where obviously during
those periods where societies go through a lot of different challenges,
and we did see and I think other sports saw
this as well, we did see some increases and sort
of sideline tension. Over recent years, we've seen those numbers
start to climb again. But while we have also done
is really encouraged reporting, we want to hear about referee abuse.

(11:31):
So it's hard to pinpoint exactly whether or not we're
seeing increasing issues on sidelines or if it's just a
symptom of increased reporting. What we do know, though, is
that we deliver around sixty seven thousand games of rugby
every weekend across the country, and last year I think
we had seventy four cases of referee abuse that sort

(11:52):
of met the threshold where they needed to be reported.
As of this year at about sixty four cases, so
we expected we'll probably surpassed that number for this year,
but again that may well be because we're really trying
to encourage reporting in these cases so that we have
a are better understand what's going on. But if you
think of those in the number of games delivered, in
the number of cases that have been reported, it's still

(12:12):
quite a small percentage, and so there are a lot
of games being played where people are really playing their
part and enjoying the game and respecting those that are
trying to enable it.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
What is the threshold, Mike, Is it when verbal becomes
physical or is it a couple of steps back from that?

Speaker 4 (12:28):
A couple of steps back from that in terms of
you know, referee appealing and pressure that comes from sidelines
as people are passionate about the game, that's all part
of the game. But when it becomes personal and offensive
and insulting and threatening from closal from AFAR, that that's
when we want to start hearing about that because that's
but not behavior we want to see, and that's not

(12:49):
role modeling what we want people's experiences and are bet
to look like.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
The incident that led to hot off and a company
following through in this instance was college game between Company
College and Marna College. Varying accounts about what played out.
Have you found out what happened at the end of
that game?

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Here's a judicial process that's underway at the moment, and
that the pips of that is to get to the
bottom of what happened in terms of who needs to
be how accountable for the directions. So we need to
let that run its course, and that's led locally byany
So that's for them to determine and they'll report that
in time when they've got to the bottom of the

(13:28):
estenishal effects.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm sure you've heard as I have. As I say,
varying reports here, how do you and I know you're
not running the investigation that's done by hoophon of a company,
but how do you get to the bottom of it?
Because by the sounds of it, here's what I've heard, Mike,
is that the referee is getting a lot of verbal
has got frustrated with it all. The game's gone over

(13:51):
time and carpany of scored a try which is one
in the match, and frustration has boiled over their mail
may not have been pushed and shove on both sides.
So how do you actually get to the bottom of
what's happened here or do you just say, you know what,
regardless of the situation, there shouldn't be shouldn't shove or
verbal threats coming towards the referee.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, so there be the purpose of the judicial investigation
which will be handled by the local union that they're
supported and doing that. We provide some support to them
around how they do that, to establish all those facts
and then who needs to be how responsible really, So
that's effectively how that will work, and that happens in
any cases from foul play to these sort of incidents

(14:35):
around the country. Not every weekend, but certainly there'll be
instances where other judicial processes need to kick in, and
that's what will happen in this case.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
And just back to the numbers you go before about
I think you said seventy four cases of complaints being escalated.
I mean that's a very small percentage, as you've said,
isn't it when you consider there's seven thousand games in
a weekend. So how do you correlate that with canceling
a whole weekend's worth of rugby, which affects hundreds of people,

(15:04):
young and old because of the acts of so few.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
So, as I said, we've been trying to encourage more
reporting and so HK will have their own sense of
what's happening in their community. That obviously lead to the
warning that they issued some weeks ago now about wanting
to see improvements and behavior. So they've taken the decision
based on the evidence that they've got and reports they've
got around what's been happening in their community. So that's

(15:30):
a decision. We're back, and we believe that they've got
all the evidence that they need to make that decision.
What we're talking about really is the national reporting and
so trying to see increased reporting frolling through to ends
that are so that we can sort of help the user,
trying to determine exactly what can we do and what
are the trends that are coming through that we need
to address, and.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
How challenging is recruitment and retention of referees. Anyway, without
the sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yeah, these things soonaly don't help. It's a difficult job
thing in the middle trying to enable the game, and
we have a lot of referee vult tears that are
give out their time to service the game, and a
lot of them are reporting. You know, it's really rewarding
and satisfying experience. So this really takes the gloss off
it and so it doesn't help with retention, it doesn't

(16:17):
help with recruitment. We have certainly got our own share
of recruitment challenges. There's no secret about that. We've had
a decrease in numbers that sort of pre COVID that
we're working to address with the provincial unions. So there's
a number of initiatives underway, both from a recruitment perspective,
but also how do we improve the retention of our officials.

(16:38):
So there's program from trying to showcase the great opportunities
that go with referring. So we've got some excellent role
models both in the men's women's space that showcase that pathway.
We're trying to show stories around how valuable rewarding it
is to be able to participate within the white lines
on a Saturday delivering the game. And then also what

(17:00):
are the opportunities for young women to get involved in
for shouting. So there's quite a lot of programs work underway,
both in terms of recruitment and also retention, but they
will take time because it's no silver bullet with a space.
That is a long investment.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
All right, we'll keep eyes on the impact that this
action has in the Holophinemer company catchment. Thanks so much
for joining us this afternoon, Mike, really appreciate your time.
Thank you, Mike, Mike Kester, New Zealand Rugby's head of
Rugby Participation at community level. Your chance to react now.
Twelve twenty four, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty sideline
abuse of officials at grassroots sport, often junior sport, as

(17:37):
I say, this one was in a secondary school game,
so not junior as such, but certainly not senior level.
Do you see it? Has it gotten worse? And what
on earth can be done about it? It's a two
million dollar question and there's all sorts of suggestions and

(17:57):
I'd love to hear your suggestions on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. And if you are a referee who
volunteers your time, is this that you've experienced? Has it
gotten worse for you? And how do you deal with
it and continue to contribute and to do something that
clearly you enjoy. Otherwise you wouldn't do it. I mean

(18:20):
you look at some of the stuff that goes on,
you think who would do it? Who'd be a referee?

Speaker 7 (18:25):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. This is gutting for
the vast majority of participants in the Hot of a
New a Carpitty region that they don't get to play
rugby this weekend, they don't get to watch rugby, they
don't get to referee rugby, they don't get to participate
in rugby this weekend because of the actions of a
very very small minority. But I back what's been done

(18:47):
by Hot of a New a Carpity here. If for
no other reason, then it has shone a spotlight again
on a blight on grassroots sport, not just rugby, grassroots sport.
This isn't just a rugby problem. This sort of thing
isn't acceptable. I think we can all agree it's not acceptable,
but it's almost become accepted. Anyone who's spent time on

(19:10):
the sidelines at club sport knows that the sort of
thing goes on and in the majority of cases, normal
kibis like you and me don't really know what to
do about it when it happens. We might be a
bit wary of calling it out directly because often those
who are yelling the abuse and getting you know, over
the line are the kind of people that I'm not

(19:31):
sure we're comfortable going up to and saying, hey, mate,
tone it down. I think we're a bit worried, aren't we.
Sometimes that the abuse, the verbal abuse, and then potentially
the physical abuse might get directed at us. Tough situation
to find yourself, and I think most of the time
people just say nothing. But it ruins the spectator experience,
doesn't It puts a sour taste in your mouth just

(19:54):
before we go to the lines. I think one of
the biggest problems is alcohol at club sport. You can
go to a club rugby game this afternoon and pretty
much any part of the country and see groups of
usually men with a box of beer watching a game
of club rugby or whatever it is now. I'm not
sure that's a great combo. And if you can't get

(20:17):
to four o'clock in the afternoon without having a beer,
then I'd suggest you maybe do it somewhere else not
on the sideline at club Sport oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is our number nine two nine to
two for text messages. Kick us off, Terrence.

Speaker 6 (20:32):
I am just looking at this incident up on the
Kevity Coast on the weekend and I just want to
know why the Wellington Rugby Union aren't getting involved with
us as well, because I'm looking at the drawer. I'm
looking at the drawer for this premiere two grade. There's
ten teams in the competition. Two from the Keberty Coast

(20:53):
which is part of UMU and Kepanty College and the
other seven. The other eight teams are all from Wellington
and looking at the drawer today, these are the teams
that are impacted by this stand down. You've got some
pets Silverstream second and fifteen they've got no game today.
You've got Saint pet Town second fifteen no game today.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, and others as well, Terrance. So what would you
want the Wellington Rugby Union to do about that?

Speaker 6 (21:22):
Well, they need to come down hard on Manor College.
That's what they need to do.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Well as I understand it, and you might have seen this, Terrence,
Marna College have opted out of their game this weekend.
They've said, no, we're not going to play. That's a
college leed decision that may have come in consultation with
with Wellington Rugby, whose jurisdiction they fall under. Wellington Rugby
may well have said, hey, guys, you need to step
down as well. But what that does as well Terrence?

(21:46):
Whoever mana we're playing, they don't have a game?

Speaker 6 (21:49):
Yeah, some pets Silverstream third fifteen.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
So, And the point I want to make is when
I was a referee, I had a problem in one
game Hamilton Boys High School with the coach who was
standing on the dead Ballline has been very abusive towards
me in every decision that I was making in the
first fifteen to twenty minutes, and then with the games
sort of gravitated towards that end of the ground, I

(22:13):
stopped the game. I went and approached him and I
basically said to him, the fans are here to watch
the game, you're here to coach your team. I'm here
to referee the game. The players are here to play
the game. If I hear another word from you, I'll
recard you to the car park and you won't be
coming back and after that I didn't hear a word
from him.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Good strong action, terrence from you. I like it as
I understand it. It was more than just one person
on last weekend. But yeah, and difficult situation. But that's
good strong refereeing from you, and maybe that's what is required.
I think spectators tend to take their lead as well,
don't they from those who are associated with the rugby team.

(22:55):
If the coach is going off off, and you'll find
the spectators thinking themselves, well, if he's upset, then there
must be something to be upset about. I'll have a crack.
Thanks for your call, Terrence. Good job, says this text.
Perhaps they might learn to pull their heads and even
in top rugby, we can all think there's the odd
bad decision, but that's life. This is a great call.
Hello Carlos.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, that's a name, Piney.

Speaker 8 (23:17):
I think some of the spectators and patrons on the
sideline could do something here as well. But everyone's got
devices these days, and that you don't have to go
and approach the person who's yelling at the rep or
whatever's happening. But surely from there they can take a
recording and send it back to the club. From the

(23:38):
club there can make a decision about whether, you know,
things should go further or not, and then they can
back up from their local union as well. Yeah, just
from there, you know.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'm sorry, No, no, no, no, Carlos. It's a great point
you're making, and you're right. We do have the we
do have the ability now to film stuff and send
it back. The other part about this is that, let's
just say, let's follow through with your example. You see
something on the sideline, some guy having a crack at
the reef, so you think I'll just film that and
I'll send it off to the club. Gets to the
club and they go all that bloke's not associated with us,
He's just he's just happening to be walking past. You know,

(24:14):
that's the difficulty. His clubs can only control their members, really,
Can they control every Tom Dick and Harry and his
dog walking past?

Speaker 9 (24:21):
No?

Speaker 2 (24:22):
But Carlos, you're right. I think you know, the more
it's called out, the better. And Mike Hester said before that,
you know, they don't know whether there's more incidents of
it or more reporting of those incidents, but you know,
the more it's reported, I guess if somebody thinks shivers.
If I if I go off of it on the
sideline and I'm going to get my video posted over
social media, then maybe they'll think twice.

Speaker 8 (24:44):
Yeah, great, yeah and again it'll be publicized and yes anyway,
but anyway, deal with my thoughts on it.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Good on your Carlos. Always good to hear from you, mate.
I eight hundred eighty ten eighty twenty eight away from one.
We're back with more of your calls after this. Ninet
two ninety two for the text, I eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on the phones.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
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Speaker 2 (25:10):
News Dogs twenty five to one on text. Water polo
is really bad for referee and sideline abuse, says this text.
The refs take a hammering from coaches and spectators alike.
Refs can give yellow and red cards out and I've
seen several, but it's really ugly. I don't know why
I'm laughing at that. But the players would have no idea,
would they? The players on a water polos play on

(25:32):
thinking of underwater hockey. Sorry, water polo the heads above
the water, isn't it? Sorry? Uh oh yeah, odd. I
never thought of water polo as a as a game
that would be afflicted by this. The text continues, my
son plays in a football team which has a silent
sideline policy that you, as a parent, sign up to.

(25:52):
I think the ref's kids, parents and coaches really see
the value. The kids only listen to their coach and
what they're being told to do, which is actually meaningful
for them for their play. I'm all for silent sidelines.
Thanks indeed for your text, Matt, thanks are calling make
good afternoon?

Speaker 10 (26:08):
Good?

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Hey Jason, how are you making very good?

Speaker 11 (26:10):
Matt? Cool?

Speaker 12 (26:12):
Hey, Yeah, No.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
I just have a couple of thoughts about it. I
reckon like each club did really have like a like
a small group represented like that could like basically be
like I don't know, like a sideline ethics committee or
something like that, like a small group of like I

(26:34):
don't know, five people who would be like a few
representatives throughout the grades. And I think that like New
Zealand Rugby should like make it compulsory so that you know,
you could kind of have a few few people just
throughout the club just to kind of keep an eye
on what's going on, because it's not that difficult. I mean,
I've been involved in club rugby like most of my life,

(27:00):
and what tends to happen is there's always like the
serial offenders that are like little bit hot under the
collar just because they're like quite passionate people and they're
really into the game. And you know, we're is fair enough,
like passion's great, but then it's just a matter of
like perhaps pulling aside those particular people and just be like,

(27:22):
hey mate, I've noticed that, you know, and your passion's great,
but maybe just take it down a few notches, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, you know, absolutely that's something you're You're right because
and often what also gets accept as people say, oh,
I know, that's just Matt, that's just him. You know,
he gets a bit passionate sometimes. You know, he's a
good guy, he's good. Now he just gets my passionate. Well, actually,
you're right. Maybe you just take him as I say,
Hey Matt, mate, yeah you're go and pass the line here.
I'm not putting you on this conversation and you're just
a name on the screen, you.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
Know, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, totally. I just
think that it's just kind of like that kind of
common sense approach, and like i'd imagine the followers in
that situation and I was pulled aside, you know, which
could happen. I've kind of had a bit of a
jump at the rest before, you know, I'd be kind

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of a bit embarrassed to be like, oh jeez, yeah,
I didn't realize what was happening, you know, because you know,
when you're in that kind of mode, you don't actually
kind of a bit oblivious because you're so in bold
in the game, you know what I mean. So it
just kind of keep people aware of what's going on
a bit.

Speaker 13 (28:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Anyway, good cor Matt, great cour mate, And I like
that idea. And people on the sideline too, Like if
it was an ethics committee as you've called it there,
I'd quite like it for a bit to be non
threatening people, you know, like maybe some grandmothers, because you know,
if they're going up to you know, to belligerent sideline abusers,
it can be quite disarming. I was always told that
before you do anything, before you commit any action, think

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of the person whose opinion of you means the most
to you, and think to yourself, what would they think
if they saw me do this or say this? Georgie, Hello, Hello, I.

Speaker 14 (29:06):
Don't even follow the sport. I like tennis, but I
was talking to someone about this and they said, why
don't the players stop? If the players stop, it would happen,
wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
That's a good point, Georgie. Yes, I'd never thought of
it in that way. I guess the players sort of
get so focused on the game and probably don't know.
But no, I know that what's happened over in Europe,
mainly in other parts, is that when racial abuse comes
in from the crowd, often the players make a decision
to stop or walk off completely. So yeah, whether it

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would happen at club sport if they I think if
they were getting abused themselves, maybe, but maybe they just think, well,
it's part of the part of the job for the referee,
which we all know that it's not. But it's an
interesting point.

Speaker 14 (29:54):
Yes, I read one on my phone about the game
down and I think it was done eating against Invercacle.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Did you.

Speaker 14 (30:03):
I don't know whether that's well known, but I read it.
I'm my phone about this bloke who was saying, you
honky you whatever, And it kept on and on and on,
and the referee finally stopped the game and said, I
won't carry on until he's moved. And all they did
was move in to the other end of the field

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and he's still carried on even after the game was over.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, it's it's and it's Georgie. And that said. Look,
I don't know you at all, but I can't imagine
you yelling out stuff like that on the sideline at
a sports match.

Speaker 15 (30:39):
Well, I wouldn't be there for a start front of tennis,
but I can't answering a williams now after her out
first Saka won and she's on the sideline not getting
any attention.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
You sound like you are. You've got a very good
moral compass, Georgie. Thank you for calling in. I appreciate
it very much. It's easy, he says. This text put
a parent Supporters Code of conduct and place at the
school and expelled parents for games. Future games have necessary
if they break the code. Yeah, I think at school
you can probably wrap a bit more around it, can't you.
I work in a primary school, says this text in
west Auckland. Several times a week I witness an enthusiastic

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member of our leadership team barking and yelling at a
range of students across various sporting codes. This is modeling
to our young students that screaming, shouting, yelling as normal.
It's awful to listen to. I myself have coached many
school great teams and have not found yelling every instruction,
move or played a students beneficial to developing their intuition
of the game. Schools have a responsibility within their own

(31:38):
communities to highlight these issues. Thanks Indeed and Tatanaki Hockey.
This one says, have this year implemented a policy where
if an official receives abuse from players or spectators, that
team receives a penalty point, and there's a threshold where
if a team reaches they can lose competition points. Yeah,
it's good to see measures being put in place. Things

(32:00):
are being tried. That's what hot If it do a
carpetdy you're doing, they're at least doing something, and it
is it might be quite drastic, and it does affect
a lot of people, a lot of people because everybody
involved in hottophon a rugby this weekend, players, parents, referees, spectators,
everybody wrapped around the game of rugby and hotophone. A

(32:22):
company has to set out this weekend, but at least
it's shining a light. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
eighteen to one back after.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
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Twelve forty five. And I wanted to talk to a
referee who does this we can week out at grassroots level.
I've got one. Rob Harmon is an Auckland based grassroots
rugby referee. Good to chat to you, Rob. How long
have you been refereeing?

Speaker 16 (32:56):
First of all, yeah, Findy, thanks for having me twenty years.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
Wow, we are we are?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
That is a while, So clearly it's something that you
at least don't hate, probably enjoy. You know, you know
what we're talking about this afternoon In terms of the
feedback that referees can get from the sidelines. What sort
of feedback do you get?

Speaker 6 (33:18):
Piney?

Speaker 16 (33:19):
Look, it's I'm fortunate that I'm sort of referee at
the at the top end of rugby here and an Auckland.
You know mostly you know, senior or premier stuff and
in Firs fifteen as well, so you know, cases le
are like the one that's happened last week a few

(33:39):
and far between for me. Yeah, there's a I think
there's a line to be drawn at the you know,
the abuse and the threatening stuff. You know, you're always
going to get you, you know, come on reps or
you know, you know you missed a decision or whatnot.
But you know, I've you know, from my own you know,

(34:00):
my own history, I've I've I've never fortunately, never been
threatened or hit anything like that happened to me, which
is which is nice to have.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, I think I think that and a part of
this is the fact that you are a very good referee,
that's clear, and I want to talk about maybe those
who are developing their craft in a moment. But that
stuff from the sideline, oh, ref you know, as you say,
it's it's kind of part of the game. Do you
hear it, do you filter it? How do you deal
with it?

Speaker 16 (34:28):
No, Look, I think we have enough to worry about
on the field to sort of discount anything. That's certainly
when when I think the AARs probably hear it in
the community of more than us. But no, look, as
I say, there's enough to try and get right in
seventy or eighty minutes of rugby, not to be too

(34:51):
attached to what other people are saying about you during
the game.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
How do you you know? You know, like players know
when they've made a mistake, I'm sure a referee knows
when when he or she has made a mistake as well.
How do you how do you move on? And you think, well, shivers,
I haven't got that one right, but there's still you know,
still half an how to go? How do you deal
with that?

Speaker 16 (35:09):
I think you have to be quite quite stubborn about it,
and in certain respects you've just got to pull your
socks up and get on with it. You know, we've
got quite a good relationship up here, and building relationships
and the management of the games is one of the
keys to referrering. So so you know on the field,

(35:33):
you know, I think most referees, if they've made an
absolute how well, we'll probably own up to it pretty
promptly in the in the community game, to the to
the captains on the field, and and that that builds
some rapport and and we'll get you across the finish line.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
You know, on on.

Speaker 16 (35:49):
Saturday last weekend, I had a scoreboard game and I
probably there's a high tackle and I probably made a
slightly soft decision on that. So you know, that was
that was all right during the game, after the game,
the quick discussion with the with the coaches, and then

(36:09):
and then having reviewed the video footage on Sunday where
it was clear that that decision was incorrect. You know,
it's just a text message to say, hey, look I've
got that wrong, and no hard feelings and yeah, and
that was the line was drawn underneath it.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
How difficult is it for referees who are new to
the game. They're learning their trade, they're learning about the game,
they're getting used to lots of different match situations, and
they will of course make mistakes as they as they
learn and develop. How difficult is it for them? Because
I guess somebody on the sideline things, well, there are referee,

(36:44):
they're fair game. How challenging a situation is that?

Speaker 16 (36:48):
Yeah, Look, it's it's pretty challenging. It's been challenging across
the course of time, you know, getting out for your
first game, or you're into your your first season. I
know some associations throughout New Zealand, you know, make their
first year referees. As an example, they'll wear a different

(37:11):
colored shirt to identify that they are learning and there
and for people to cut them a bit of slack.
But there's many support networks that are offered by referees
associations and and and rugby unions in terms of development
getting people ready to get out onto the field, you know,

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starting with assistant refereeing before getting.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
On the field with a whistle.

Speaker 16 (37:41):
But the inevitability of it is that they will have
to do it at some stage, get out on their own,
potentially an environment where where they could be a loan
or or there might be a field at a school
for example, which you know there's only one rugby field,
so that there's there's less support to be had. And yeah,
I mean they've just got to cope with that the

(38:05):
best that they can and in line with how they've
been how they've been taught and any techniques they've been
taught to overcome that.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
What do you make of the decision by the holophonom
A Carpity Union to call off an entire around this weekend?

Speaker 16 (38:22):
I mean Look, that's that's the decision. I mean, if
if they felt that strongly about about the problem which
which faced that particular game, or or or well in
their own union, then I think that's that's their own decision.
You know, I can't comment for whether whether my union

(38:44):
or association would would look to do exactly the same.
But I think we've we've all nationwide I identified that
there is a problem and it seems to have come
to a head this week thanks to the actions that
the hoop A company have have taken. So I guess
it's a it's a good conversation that we're having.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Indeed, you reckon you've got a few years left yet
with a whistle.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Oh yeah, we'll see how we go.

Speaker 16 (39:11):
I know the body is getting a bit older, but
but no, look at Rugby's you know, for all the
negativity that's that's come of you refereeing and the abuse
spector this week, you know, there are a number of
really cool things about it. You get to meet some
great people, You get to be a part of rugby

(39:33):
union in New Zealand and in and around the world.
You know, we go on exchanges and you know, being
a referee is is is great fun and yeah, the
last twenty years have given me some fantastic opportunities which
I wouldn't have got otherwise.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Good man, Rob. I hope it continues in the same fashion.
Thanks for your time this afternoon, mate, really appreciate it.

Speaker 16 (39:57):
Yes, Finney, thanks very much.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Now, thank you Rob. Rob Hammond there who referees Club
Rugby in Auckland just on eight away from one used
talk s B.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
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Speaker 2 (40:12):
Five to one from Anton Tex. Back in twenty sixteen
and after amateur ref training at Eden Park, refered an
under ten's game at Grammar Junior's in Auckland. My son
was in one of the teams. It was against the
other Grammar under ten team. Otherwise, rational people on both
sides who I knew socially and professionally abused me. My
own team's parents were livered with the call I made

(40:34):
for the other team on a match winning try. I
blew the game early. I felt physically threatened by the
CEO of an international company. I told them they were
all a bunch of w anchors and never went back
I mean, what is wrong with people? People just lose
their marbles, don't They On the sidelines often of kids
sport and I've seen this as well. I used to

(40:56):
referee my son's football games when he was under ten.
People just lose their marbles. They lose all sense of reality.
I mean, FIFA are not waiting for the score. It's
a kids game and actually that should matter. It's a
school game, any grassroots game. People just lose their minds.

(41:16):
We might kick on with us after one o'clock, but
also I want to talk to you about the change
in legislation around sports betting. As of right now you
can only bet in New Zealand using the tab.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
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Speaker 2 (41:42):
It be Hello there, one o seven, Welcome into the show.
Welcome back to the show. If you've been with us before,
now good to have you with us this hour. Across
to Australia, Adam Peacock want to talk sports betting and
major changes to legislation which will affect us here in
New Zealand shortly just a reminder that twenty four hours

(42:04):
from now, Rais is going to be with us All
Blacks head coach Scott Robertson in studio tomorrow between one
and two. I got a whole bunch of questions to
ask him, but I'd actually prefer to hear your questions.
What is it you want to know from Scott Robertson
ahead of the new All Black season. He'll talk about
team selections, he'll talk about tactics, he'll talk about whatever

(42:25):
you like. Really is that kind of guy? So Scott
Robertson Razor with us tomorrow between one and two, and
the Test season is almost upon us. Dunedin, get first
crack next Saturday. It's next Saturday, isn't it? Test is
next Saturday? Goodness me, that's rushed up?

Speaker 17 (42:43):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Really? Has it? Super Rugby Final? Last weekend I was
sort of kicking around yesterday's Hey, what are we going
to talk about? So Test one of the year is
in Duneda next weekend. We're making the most of it.
Next Saturday we'll bring you the show. And I think
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(44:14):
we move on, I just want to mop up a
couple of texts from last hour, because people put a
lot of thought into their messages and I do want
to get a couple of them read out. Lyle says Jason.
It's always been the case that some fathers live vicariously
through their sons sporting careers, but high paying professional sport
now means their offspring is seen as potential meal tickets,

(44:36):
increasing the desire not to let anything including refs, get
in the way of that interesting thoughts.

Speaker 17 (44:42):
Lyell.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Pauline says, I'm wondering if for how it affects the
kids of these people. I wonder if they ever think
about how their children feel about their behavior, and possibly
it's time to get the team together to censure the adult. Pauline,
You're so right. How embarrassing, How embarrassing if you're playing
sport as a kid, or even as a teenager and

(45:05):
you look over in your see your mum or your
dad acting like a pork chop on the sideline, How embarrassing.
No wonder kids give up sport, you know, and you
hear that a bit. I don't want to play anymore
because Dad embarrasses me on the sideline. Just be silent, Will,
says Kim Cotton. The cricket umpire told me there is

(45:26):
a difference between descent and disappointment. Descent is leaning towards abuse.
I thought that was a good point. That is a
good point, Will, a difference between descent and disappointment. Carol
says Piny. I totally agree with what Hotfo a company
have done, even though as a nan of our twelve
year old grandson who plays for Papamu, I wasn't able
to cheer him on from the sideline this morning. I

(45:49):
agree with the decision and I'll be there when he
is on the rugby field next. Good on your Carol,
and Joe, says Jason. Iampied midweek social netball games, but
really competitive all the same. If there was abuse from
the sidelines, that was more than the occasional a burst,
whether to me or aplay it, I stopped the game
until it stopped. I only had to do it once.
Well done, Joe, and good on you for picking up

(46:10):
a whistle as well and refereeing at that level. It's
twelve minutes past one, New Zealand punters will no longer
be able to bet with overseas bookmakers under new laws
that have come into effect today. On Wednesday afternoon, the
Racing Industry Amendment Bill unanimously passed its third reading in Parliament.

(46:32):
It's been signed into law and is in effect as
of right now. The bill makes changes to New Zealand
betting laws to create a legislative net. It makes it
illegal for overseas betting operators to accept online bets on
sport and racing from anybody living in New Zealand now
until now, it's estimated that one hundred and eighty to

(46:55):
two hundred million dollars each year is bet offshore by KIWIS.
Up to seventy percent of that is with UK agency
Bet three sixty five. The proceeds of money bet with
offshore operators doesn't flow through to our racing industry or
to the thirty eight national sporting organizations on which sports

(47:15):
betting occurs here in New Zealand. The passing of this
bell also means an immediate one hundred million dollar payout
from the TAB strategic partner in Tain Group. They oversee
the tab's betting wagering and broadcast operations. Of that one
hundred million, eighty million will go straight to racing and
twenty million to sport New Zealand. They're going to divvy
it up among the national sporting organizations as they see fit.

(47:40):
Nick Roberts is the CEO of the New Zealand TAB.
He joins us now, Nick, thanks for taking the time.
How significant are development is this?

Speaker 17 (47:50):
Yeah, good afternoon. Look, it's an amazing outcome for New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (47:55):
This is.

Speaker 17 (47:57):
A reset of the intention of the TV created in
nineteen fifty who were coming up seventy five years and
we had Sport's been to joined us in the ninety
ninety and the funding that the community through racing and
through sport has relied on was not a serious threat.
As you say, with that two hundred million dollar being
lost out of the regulated environment about a third of

(48:19):
our market.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
How important to the racing industry and to our national
sporting bodies is the money they receive from betting through
the TAB?

Speaker 17 (48:28):
Yeah? Well, look we are a funder for the racing industry.
It's an industry which adds about two billion dollars to
the economy every year, jobs about thirteen and a half
thousand and as you and your list as will know
a lot of that in regional New Zealand. So really
critical for the racing industry to ensure that funding is
sustainable for the long run and for sports. I think

(48:50):
it's become more and more important for them as other
situations have tightened their funding. So we're really excited to
be able to continue the funding of sport in particular,
I think in terms of the the challenges that they
have and being able to give twenty million dollars to
sport in New Zealand upfront is a really great opportunity there.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
So just clarify for us next. So when money is
bet on a sport in New Zealand, regardless of whether
it's a New Zealand sport, unless use basketball as an example,
if somebody bets on the NBA, then Basketball New Zealand
benefit from that, Is that right?

Speaker 17 (49:28):
That's right?

Speaker 7 (49:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (49:29):
So the sport's funding model is a commission structure, so
they get commissions are paid on turnover and gross profit.
So yeah, every bet sort of as contributing back to
the local sport that sport is.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Would you expect or estimate that the close to two
hundred million bet offshore each year up to now will
largely transfer to betting on the tab.

Speaker 17 (49:55):
Yeah, I mean look at that. That is the turtal
million dollar question. I think the situation there is going
to be one that unfolds that we do think that
a large part of that market will be recaptured, and
I think, you know what shouldn't be lost along this
journey is that the harmonimization outcome for customers is really important.
It is a big priority of our business and like

(50:19):
capturing as much as we can at that market, we
are ensuring that the key for betting in the safest
environment possible. And I think when you look at all
the options available for gaming regulation, I think we've struck
a pretty good balance here and that probably goes to
your point about the Parliament voting for this unanimously. The
signals that we've got, that's pretty right.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
What do those harm minimization protections include?

Speaker 17 (50:43):
Yeah, So I think one of the important things when
we look to partner with an offshore operator, which we
did with NTAIN, is to leverage their scale and when
we replatform the TV business from our old site to
their technology. The investment in technology took harmonimization fought a

(51:08):
long way overnight. There's a lot of deep investment into
both tools for customers to manage manage their vetting and
also the monitoring system. And that is just natural benefits
of a single operator market. So being able to know
that when a customer has a problem and you stop
them betting, that they don't just go off down the
street to another operator. You know, it's a really important

(51:31):
part of that.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Why do New Zealanders bet using overseas providers?

Speaker 17 (51:36):
Oh, look, I think there's a bunch of reasons for that.
I think the historical TV had a few challenges on
the brand. So going forward, you know, as next Tuesday,
people will only be able to bet with tav and
the new online only brand Betcher. And I think so
there was probably a branding issure that people, you know,
as time's gone on, people didn't want to bet with

(51:58):
their dance brand. They wanted to have something that was
their own, and we think bet Betcher offers that fresh approach.
And I think also people probably got frustrated by the experience, right,
I mean, as we've talked about, you know, we've got
a big funding obligation to the back to the community,
which made it hard for us to invest in the
technology platforms in the past, but going we're really what

(52:22):
we've managed to achieve over the last couple of years
is basically that we'll have keyweeds well get a world
class experience through Intain. They will be end the safest
es are impossible and we're going to maximize our outcomes
for our country. You know, what is the greatest country
in the world, and we think this is probably the
leading gaming regulation in the world.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Other countries, of course have similar legislation Australia does. The
difference there are course is panthers have a variety of
domestic betting options available to them. The ta B will
now have a monopoly on sports and racing betting here
in New Zealand. So won't this mean decreased odds with
no outside competition.

Speaker 17 (53:01):
Absolutely not so Intaine. People may have seen their press
release and you know there's been undertaking to us as
well that they'll offer the same odds that they offer
in the Australian market. So the Australian wageram market for
people that don't know, is the most competitive in the world.
And what that means is that customers, you know, have
that benefit of the pricing that occurs in that market,

(53:23):
as well as the platform and technology development that goes
with it.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Because I guess people hear the word monopoly, don't name Nick,
and they think I gain no competition, These logs can
do what they like. What would you say to that
sort of comment.

Speaker 17 (53:36):
Yeah, look, I think you know, historically that would have
perhaps been where the business went. But I think, as
I say, we've struck a really great deal with NTAIN
at the setting that we have really important to get
those harmonimization measers right, to make sure that we're not
removing vital funding to the good of the country, and

(53:58):
all those things that they say, you know, were balanced
by lawmakers through the last six months.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
One of the other concerns seen expressed is that it
could potentially be restrictive on how much somebody can bet,
how much somebody can win, particularly if they're successful over
a long period of time. What's the response to that
sort of concern.

Speaker 17 (54:20):
Yeah, Look, I think that's going to be an evolving
piece for us to keep making sure that customers are
getting a fago that it is vital that that happens.
There is, as I say, a commercial imperative that the
business has to face into because of our funding requirements
for the community. But we expect people to be able
to have a decent bet on a New Zealand race.

(54:41):
We expect certain sports to be engaged with the all
Blacks matches and that sort of thing, to have that activity.
But let's not also forget that betting is a discretionary activity.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
The legislation doesn't GEO block New Zealanders from offshore betting sites,
does it. You can still get on them, but it
does make it illegal for those operators to accept a
bet from somebody who lives in New zeal So how
confident are you that they'll do that?

Speaker 17 (55:10):
Really confident? So I think the important thing to know
there is that you know the way the bidding market
sort of exists globally, and we've got a really good
understanding of what that term of a million dollar market
looks like. Is that the operators are subjects to strict
regulation around where they do operate, so you know, they

(55:31):
don't want to block their copybook by going against the
Act of the New Zealand Parliament, and you know where
we'll be working with the DEA to make sure that
it's enforced appropriately.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
All right. And obviously you've known about this for a while.
It's been through been through three readings. Now as I say,
passed during the week. What's the reaction been to it?
As it's been going through the legis lot of process
and now that it has passed, what sort of reaction
have you had in the past few days.

Speaker 7 (55:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (55:59):
Look, I think everyone's pretty excited. You know about the
opportunity that it does bring for New Zealand and I
think one of the as I say, the important things
for us was that getting that unanimous support across the
Parliament means that this is something that will sustain for
a long time. And I think the sustainability of these
settings is really important to.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Us significant development. Thanks so much for joining us to
fill us in. Nick, really appreciate your time.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
Thanks very much.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
That's Nick Roberts, CEO of TAB New Zealand with us
on Weekend Sport one twenty two. I'm keen for some
feedback on a couple of things here from you. One
hundred and eighty to two hundred million bet by Kiwi's
every year offshore. That is a massive amount of money

(56:49):
one eighty to two hundred million. If you have a
punt and if you've done it using an offshore provider
Bet three sixty five or any other overseas operator. If
you have, have you have sports bet using somebody other
than the tab. I'm keen to know why, very keen

(57:12):
to know why. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty Do
you get better odds? Because I asked Nick that and
he said no, no, we're going to match the Australian ones
and they're the most competitive in the world. But did
you find that you've got better odds? Did you get
a wider range of options or is it just a

(57:32):
better user experience? Because that's not a small number, and
you can see why the tab are delighted they're going
to get well, I presume they think they'll get the
vast majority of that. If that money is still going
to be bet and Keywis can only use the tab,
then it's going to go to them, isn't it. I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty just keen to know why

(57:54):
you have used an overseas operator up until now for
your sports betting rather than the tab. And Nick Roberts
was he was very open. He said, look, it used
to be a terrible experience used to go onto the
app or onto the website and it was just awful.
You know, you couldn't navigate it very well. There weren't
really the options that were available elsewhere. Keen to know

(58:17):
from you, because we've heard from Nick Roberts and he's
given the TAB side. I'm keen to hear from you,
as just a just a sports punter, what it is
about the overseas operators that you know you preferred. You
can't now, You can't now, but why did you up
till now? Hello brent O mate.

Speaker 13 (58:39):
Ye know, I'm a bit of a punter. I've not
stick between bit three six five and the tab depending
on the odds that the majority of my bets are on.
I'm afraid to say Bet three six five because the
value they offer is way better than the tab and
it's even way better than what they're going to offer
in Australia. But obviously we're going to get it's going
to be coming to an end. It's also there's so

(59:00):
many more markets available. I'm mainly the sports dealing with
rugby sometimes league, and it's just so many more markets
to the first half markets, ten minute markets just so
much more available. It's just and it's anyway, the betting
game knows that's fact. And it's a lot of Lipsiver,
I'm here arount the moment to be honest.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Just when you say you you so you get better odds,
so head to head ons or whatever you bet on.
So yeah, like what do we talk? Give us a
give us an example?

Speaker 13 (59:28):
Oh maybe like career. I think fruit of one of
the Crusader games that you played twelve ninety twelve tab
was off in about three thirty five, but like multis,
for example, it was there's a blog online of the
guy put an example of the same bet the ta
B and bet three six five. It was about ten
league multi but the difference was about ten dollars difference, right, incredible?

(59:52):
I could we believe it? So, you know, it's that's
why people do it. I mean, so we look and
lit as you know, it's always about the money.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, Brent, totally. But if I put a place that
you're right, I mean, you're so right. If I want
to place a place, a bed on on a and
thing happening, and one place is going to pay me
to ninety on that thing happening, though I was going
to pay me two thirty five. Of course, I've got
a bit on the one that that you know is
going to pay me to ninety.

Speaker 13 (01:00:15):
It's a no brainer. And lead Books really aren't they
offering the best gods of the scene of the markets.
So not that he said that the most competitive in
the will done and not three six five is the
biggest bidding agency on the planet. It's where they offered.
That's why they're busy, because they offered the odds and
there's so many different markets and you can even propose
to them to make a market for you. Not that

(01:00:36):
I do that, but yeah, the value is gone. It's
really disappointing. You know, I got them rid of this
morning in the email week from then from three six
fives saying it's over as of the studious of June.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yep, yeah, I got it. I got it too, brand
I got it too. That's so yeah, I think we
all got it.

Speaker 13 (01:00:54):
And uh yeah, yeah, they've got stuff because basically, even
if he's the VPN online, there's no way they're going
to deposit the money back into your account, the New
zeal One account. There's just no way. You'd have to
have it off. Sure, it just comes too hard for
it for I'm not a professional better, I'm just good
as a hobby teaps me interested in boring rugby sometimes
if it is boring sometimes yep, yeah, but yeah nah

(01:01:18):
good next point, may as I think the scoring us
over to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Good perspective, Frent, thanks mate, appreciate it. Appreciate your call
very much, and you're insight. I eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty people use overseas betting because they get better rods.
Simple as that better rods? Is this one oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty more calls to come? One
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Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
On news talks hereb this is we cand sport as
we talk the removal of the ability to bet using
overseas sites. George, thanks for holding make good afternoon, Good.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
Afternoon, pliney.

Speaker 7 (01:03:04):
Hey, it's obviously positive news is in it and I
think as regards to the regards to the overseas platinms,
I think it was a sheer amount of options and
slightly better odds that was causing the transition over.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yeah, and you can properly understand why George. I guess
it's like if you if you're going out to buy
you an appliance, you shop around, right, And I know
it's it's a different sort of situation, But if you
can get the same thing for a better price, then
you'll go to that place. So I can kind of
understand why betters did it. I'm not sure whether if

(01:03:40):
you're a sport's better you thought to yourself, hey, this
will go back into my local sporting organization. I'm not
sure whether that was a more important thing to people
than the fact that they would get a better return
if their bet came off.

Speaker 7 (01:03:53):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And hey, it's in the in the
detail of it, But I imagine a lot of that
one hundred and eighty to two hundred million of the
uncaptured markets reinvested winnings, if you know what I mean.
So I don't necessarily think that's potentially money straight into
the into the pockets of the TA B. It kind
of would be if every single bet that was placed

(01:04:16):
was unsuccessful. Obviously, you know, if you take a hundred
dollar bet that you turn into two hundred dollars and
then you you know, you then go and bet that
two hundred dollars again, that's that's kind of three hundred
dollars waged, if you know what I mean. So, I
think when it falls down to it, it's it's going
to be great for getting the money back on shore.
But I don't think it's as if there's one hundred

(01:04:37):
and eighty million of cold, hard cash that is parted
with each each year. It's it's probably more reinvested winnings
is a big part of that that that ultimately trickles down.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah, that's an interesting point, and I guess we'll find out,
won't we When you know, a year from now, they're
looking back at the increase in revenue, will it be
an increase of that much or or or not. I
guess that'll be the that'll be the proof of exactly
what you've just said.

Speaker 7 (01:05:03):
Good on your mate, good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Good to chat to you, George, all the bet mate.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nineteen nine two's
the text line lots on text hellow Trevor, Oh, how
you made I'm great Trevor. Good to hear your voice, mate.

Speaker 9 (01:05:16):
God listen, I'm a beam, so I speak like just
listening to that guy from the TV. What a lot
of woke verbal diarrhea that guy spoke. I mean, I
didn't notice he was happy to say, we're happy to
give money back to sports. You an't any reason why
they give money back to sport, don't you?

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
Because they have to.

Speaker 9 (01:05:33):
I guarantee if there wasn't a law that they gave
some of their winnings back to sport, they wouldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Yeah, but there was a law there, There was a law, Trevor,
And they.

Speaker 9 (01:05:41):
Talked, yeah, yeah, yeah, then they do it. But would
they do it if they didn't have to. I mean
he's coming across as a very caring kind sort of person.
That are I mean people have told to now there's
there are their service and a big business is.

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
Not up to it.

Speaker 9 (01:05:56):
And you know, pundin, I know they advertised it as
a group of people sitting they're having a beer, laughing
and joking. But where they get their big money from
is from people. We're betting is a business. Business is
a gambling is serious and you know, and these are
the people that they're trying to get at. And I'll
just say one other thing, so you know that these

(01:06:17):
people that pass the law, they're thinking about New Zealand.
So why don't they stop stuff coming from tim directly
from Timu overseas and they can Timu content all this
stuff to New Zealand but sell it through a shop,
so people have to rent a store and employ staff
and sell this stuff. I mean that's basically the same thing.

Speaker 16 (01:06:37):
Stop stop people from going.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
Overseas buying stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:06:41):
Let it come to New Zealand and the people in
New Zealand can make money out of it and jobs
out of it. What you know, what are these government
people that park that law about gambling?

Speaker 12 (01:06:50):
What are they to it?

Speaker 9 (01:06:51):
Seem about that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Yeah, slightly different, but you know, I look understand that
it's that. Yeah, that is a slightly different thing, as
you know, but probably not the time to get into
it now. But look, I take your point around the
tab and we're getting a lot of feedback on text
about it. You know, I think as soon as you
say the word monopoly, then fear starts to rise of

(01:07:15):
not having any competition, therefore not having to necessarily cared
deeply about your customers. That is, you know, competition is
always healthy in any industry. The bit about this that
I am that I am big on and you're right, Trevor.
They don't. They do it because they have to. But
the fact remains, there is a law in place that

(01:07:36):
if money is bet on a sport here in New Zealand,
our national sporting body gets the benefit of that. So
if there's a whole bunch of money bet on an NBA,
New Zealand basketball get the benefit of that. And for
a lot of these sporting organizations it is a significant amount.

(01:07:57):
And it's not because you know, I mean, I don't
think a lot of people are betting on our National
Basketball League. I could be wrong, but I get the
feeling that they're vast majority of money bet on basketball
is on the NBA, and so for doing nothing other
than existing basketball, New Zealand and get the benefit of that.

(01:08:17):
And look, I think that's that's great, isn't it. That's great.
The harmonimization one's interesting as well. You know, do all
of I'm all all betting companies, I'm sure are you know?
They they're it's incumbent upon them to offer harmonimization. And
I'm talking about things like how you know you can,

(01:08:38):
and they're often self policed to be fair, you know
you can you can? I think in an app, and
some of these betting apps you can say, look, don't
let me bet on any day other than Saturday or
something like that, or don't let me go over this limit,
or don't let me do this. But those are just
checks you put yourself, put in yourself. You can easily
change them. But harmonimization, I think it's incumbent upon companies

(01:09:02):
that exist through you know, through the business of gambling.
They have to display harm minimization measures. And I would
say that the tab probably have as good harmonimization measures
as there are. I get the feeling that some of
these others maybe don't have it quite so much. And

(01:09:25):
numbers of eight hundred and eighty ten eighty are going
to get to across the Tasman shortly with that in Peacock,
but a couple more minutes to chat about this. This
goes back to our previous hour in terms of sideline behavior.
But this is a this is more of a positive
side of it, Jason says Christy talking about embarrassing your

(01:09:46):
kids just to make you, just to make you smile.
In a football game between Kings and Saint Peter's, my
son had a blinder, I yelled out, I gave birth
to that child. My son was less than impressed. A
Mumban insured love it, Christy. That's the kind of sideline encouragement.
And I think we can all get behind twenty one
away from so we'll take a great come back and

(01:10:07):
get you across the Tasman Adam Peacock. After this, you
be the TMO.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
Weekend Sport with Jason Pin and GJ. Guvnerholmes, new Zealand's
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Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Be eighteen to two from John Piney. It's one percent
of turnover, three percent profit and entertainer's made a huge difference.
Basketball receive approximately one million dollars a year. Yeah, mainly
offshore leagues, but the TAB is the only betting agency
playing its part. Offshore agencies do not. But should This
law change will be huge for New Zealand sport. Yeah,
Well they don't have to now, or don't have to.

(01:10:42):
They can't. They can't because because we can't use them anymore. Yes,
there are ways around it. If you want to find
a way around it, I'm sure you can using a
VPN or something similar to make them think that you're
in another country, but then getting the money back into
your New Zealand bank account. I guess you could just
leave it in your betting account. Couldn't you just leave
it sitting there? But yeah, interesting times ahead. Very interested

(01:11:06):
to see how much of that offshore betting up to
two hundred million actually transfers across. Don't forget. We've got
tickets to give away this weekend to the Wellington Phoenix
match against Wrexham AFC. This is coming up on the
nineteenth of July. Got a double pass, in fact, three
double passes to give away. All you have to do
is text the word win and your name to nine two,

(01:11:28):
nine to two, so whin. Don't put a full stop
on it, don't put anything else, it's just win, then
leave a space and then your name. It gets to
us easier, they all get to us, but they just
I'm not going to explain it to you, but it's
a slightly different way. But if you text the word win,
leave a space, then your name to nine two, nine
to two, we've got three double passes for Wellington Phoenix
REXAMFC AFC. Rather on July nineteen. We can't get you

(01:11:52):
to Wellington. But if you're going to be in and
around Wellington, then we've got double passes for you before
we get to Australia. If you go to Australia, are
you in Perth?

Speaker 19 (01:12:02):
Trev No, Adelaide Laid don't be wrong, No, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
You take your time, You take your time.

Speaker 19 (01:12:10):
Yeah, I'll tell you. I was over in New Zealand
a week while ago and the TV reckon. I can't
take a bet for more than one thousand dollars or
I can't collect more than a thousand unless I have
an account. And I'll give you an example. In Australia,

(01:12:32):
I can make up to nine thousand, nine hundred before
I have to fill out any paperwork whatsoever. I can
take a nine nine thousand, nine hundred dollar bet. How
come New Zealand is lagging behind the eight ball?

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
So, just so I understand this correctly, Trev. So if
you walked into you don't have an account, So you
walked into what a retail outlet and said, look, I
want to put this money on and they wouldn't take
They wouldn't take a certain or bet over a certain
amount or something that could potentially win you over a
certain amount. I wasn't aware of that.

Speaker 19 (01:13:06):
Yeah, that's right. And but look, the tab even in
Australia have rigged the prices. Now any race, practically, even
a big race, there's about nine horses paying about a

(01:13:27):
dollar to two dollars less. It's got to the stage
where it's rigged.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
I'm not quite sure I get your point.

Speaker 19 (01:13:39):
Well, give you an idea. You've heard of a horse called, say,
let's say gray Way. Yep, it's a well known horse
in New Zealand one fifty four races. Now that would
hold most of the money that horse and it would

(01:13:59):
be paying say two dollars. Then the next horse up
would be paying about sixty eight dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Yep.

Speaker 19 (01:14:06):
But over here you've got about eight horses paying from say,
say five dollars to ten dollars. You know, do you
understand what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I do. So there's a clear favorite, and so the
other one should the odds should be a lot better,
but they're not.

Speaker 19 (01:14:23):
Yeah, yeah, because the tabs and Australia losing money, so
that's why they had to adjust it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Trev, I do have to go. But interesting perspective, mate,
Thank you for calling in. We can revisit this another day.
It's obviously an interesting topic that I think we can
probably delve more deeply into. Thanks for calling from Adelaide, Trev.
We're going to stay in Australia. Australian correspondent Adam Peacock
is with us in this regular slot. Let's start with cricket.
Test Cricket Adam, Australia have won the first Test against

(01:14:53):
the West Indies in Barbados, another three day Test Ozzie
one eighty and three hundred and ten the West Indies
one ninety and one forty one all out. What what
gave the Assis the edge their bowlers? I presume it
was all out of.

Speaker 12 (01:15:07):
The bowlers making life half of the West Indies and
unable to compile a score, whereas our guys scratched around
and our top four didn't really set the world on fire.
It was he returned in the first innings at Wilson Kwarkaper,
who was up to Travis Head in the middle order,
was not much to have got to bowl that otherwise,
if not for him, were in all sorts of bottle.
So a win, but not a completely convincing one. Along

(01:15:32):
the same way as what has made this team unconvincing
when it hasn't been at its top in the last
two three years. The batting, I don't know. I don't
know how they can find some form, but they've got
to do it before they play stiffer opposition later in
the year in England.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Well, Sam constas I came into open the batting manus
Lavashane of course was dropped. We spoke about that last
week Constance three and five, so certainly not the return
that he was after. They'll persevere, though, won't they. They'll
government at least one more crack.

Speaker 12 (01:16:00):
I reckon they'll they'll playing for the series and then
then re evaluate. He's going to learn a hell of
a lot and the Explosion. It's a pretty good bowling
line up with the West Indies with the two Joseph
guys and also Agreeves as well. So yeah, it's it's
not an easy situation coming in facing that. I think

(01:16:21):
the third Test I haven't confirmed it yet, but it
might be a pink ball at this stage. It's slated
as a pink ball test, but he yet to confirm it.
But yeah, Sam con has got to kind of find
a way at this level, it's to step up he's
got all the instruction he needs and you know, he's
he's certainly got the name. He's he was on the
front of a big you know those big weekend magazines

(01:16:44):
that they put in the middle of the papers. He
was on the front page of one of those a
couple of weeks ago. So he's he's certainly the boom
kid in probably Australian sport, along with the Oscar Piastre.
But he's got to now live up to it, and
that's the hard thing. So he's going to get exposed
at this level. That's how he fights through that and
and finds a way to score a few runs.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Did Josh Hazelwood goes? All right, doesn't he fight for
forty three in the second innings. He's been around for
a long long time, but still delivering. He's a he's
a pretty handy cricketer, one of the.

Speaker 12 (01:17:13):
Most unassuming blokes going around. Because you talk to him,
you go, Josh, how do you do it? How do
you set a batter up?

Speaker 5 (01:17:18):
And this that?

Speaker 12 (01:17:18):
And young He goes, oh, you know, I'll just come
in and kind of my mark at my rhythm and
you know the pop stump there. I just try and
hit the top of that team, so yeah, he's he's
metronomic sometimes with his accuracy, so yeah, he's he's actually
surprised that a lot of people in world cricket with
his ability. In T twenty cricket, he was one of
the best players in the recent IPL he won it

(01:17:40):
with RCB, So yeah, he's he's on the late career
phill up as well in that regard, and going pretty
well at Test level again as well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
All Right, Second Test starts back in the next week
or the week ahead in Grenada and then we had
to see whether the Third Test is in fact pink
ball at Kingston in Jamaica. Let's move to rugby. The
British and Irish Lions have landed in Australia. Their tour
starts tonight in Perth where they take on the Western
for some how much anticipation is there around about the

(01:18:08):
upcoming British and Irish lines tour.

Speaker 12 (01:18:11):
Yeah, a ton a ton and Rugby Australia rubbing their
hands together financially because it's something that they need right
now with their balance sheet the way it's been the
last few years, and it's like tickets are flown out
the door and all the corporates and all that. It's
just that it's the ultimate fill up for rugby Australia.
But now it's down to the rugby. And yeah, you're right,
they play Western Force. They got the game against Queensland.

(01:18:32):
I think Brumby's Waratahs. So they go around the provinces
to start things and then test matches and a few
more tour matches. It's a superb concept and it's just
I wish there was a little bit more of it,
not too much, not to kind of go too hard,
but a proper, proper tour where they have traveled on
mass that they haven't on on the East Coast obviously,

(01:18:53):
so they're all over in Perth this weekend, so we
haven't really experienced it yet, the full influx of you know,
we're told twenty thirty thousand people in red lines jerseys
just enjoying life in a beautiful winter in Australia. So
it'll be magnificent and the rugby. I do fancy the

(01:19:13):
Wallaby's chances in some of these games. I reckon Joe
Schmidt is is pretty careful with his words and he's
very respectful, especially given what he did with Ireland that Yeah,
there's a lot of improvement to come for the lines
out of that Argentina lost, but I just feel that
Lollabys are maybe you know, edge it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Yeah, we're very much looking forward to watching the series
over here. Yeah, nothing like a tour, So tonight in
Perth we'll see how things kick off. The British and
Irish lines aren't surprisingly warm favorites to kick off the
Australian part of their tour with the win and you
said farewell this week in Australia to a a pretty
iconic television show, The back Page, which we can watch

(01:19:49):
over here as well or have been able to what
sort of played out here that saw the show come
to an end, and how fondly remembered will the back Page.

Speaker 12 (01:19:59):
Be, oh hugely like twenty nine years like, I was
lucky to be a part of a really small part
of it, host of a couple of times when Tony
Squier's was away and was a panelist regularly as well.
It was just beauty of it was the simplicity, So
for the uninitiated not knowing over there what it is
it was, and how I catch up with five people

(01:20:22):
talking and laughing about Sport. It's a pretty simple concept,
but to pull it all together, you need the background
team and the host to drive it. And Tony was
such a superb host, and Maddy Parslow, the producer who's
got a lot of plaudits this week for what he
did with the show, just superb. Like you literally went
on the show and you had everything in front of

(01:20:43):
you and you can just react to what was going
on and you bring your knowledge, your skill set or
whatever you call it to the viewers. But it just
felt like the perfect way on a Tuesday night. So
if you're busy on a weekend like we all are
and you miss it all, you sit down on Tuesday
night and you go, that happened? Why did it happen?
Everything like that, short and sharp, but it was just
a great idea and a bit of debate, few laughs,

(01:21:05):
but they just I think Fox Sports that had reached
the end and the budgetary concerns and that, you know,
the credit squeeze going on at a lot of media companies,
it just it couldn't go on. Unfortunately, I don't know
exactly why I wasn't there. I've since left Fox, but
just a great show to work on. One of those
one of those happy things that you get to experience
once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Yep, very sad to see it go or I may well.
Then that covers us for today. Enjoy the rest of
your day and your golf and we'll catch up again
next Saturday.

Speaker 12 (01:21:33):
Sounds good, Plinny have a god one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
You have a good one too, Adam Adam Peacock, our
regular Australian correspondent around this time every Saturday afternoon here
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the one year deal to start with. I wonder whether
that might extend. Head of events for the New Zealand
leg of sal GP Alex Corey joining us on that.
All Whites coach Darren Baisley is on the show as well.
Confirmation this week of the next FIFA window containing a

(01:22:10):
trans Tasmin double header the All Whites against the Soccer
Roos in Canberra and in Auckland in September. Talked to
Darren Basley about that and speaking of football check them
with Auckland City FC. They're back home from their FIFA
Club World Cup adventure and what an adventure it was.
We'll touch on that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
and after fields, it's all on Weekends Forward with Jason
Tyane on your Home of Sport in New York.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Two O seven's the time. Welcome into Weekend Sport. Been
great to have you listening in if you're just joining us.
So you come at quite a good time because we're
about to find out more about sale GP returning to
Auckland February fourteen, fifteen next year Valentine's Day. What a
great Valentine's Day present, Let's go to sale GP. Actually
all joking aside, that would be quite a nice way

(01:23:03):
to spend that weekend. The head of the New Zealand
v as Alex Cory, she's standing by the chat to
us Darren Baisley on the show this hour as well,
Or White's coach. All White's going to play the soccer
Roo's home and Away in September. Both teams have qualified
for the World Cup next year, so this will form
part of their preparation for that. Always love a good
trans Tasman sporting battle. It doesn't happen very often in football.

(01:23:26):
How does Darren basally think the team is tracking? Less
than a year out now from the World Cup? And
we'll check them with Auckland CITYFC. They're back home now
from their club World Cup adventure including a one old
draw with Argentine giants Boker Juniors. How are they feeling
about things? Because it didn't start well for them, did it?
A ten neel loss to Bayern Munich? They went down

(01:23:47):
six nil to Benfica. So to pull back a one
old drawer highly credible and earns them quite a bit
of coin as well. There's a bit of conjecture about
the split of that money between Auckland City FC and
the rest of the New Zealand football community. Gordon Watson
a general manager of the club. He's going to have
a chat to us before three o'clock. Our lines are
open always at eighty ten eighty. You can send your

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texts into nine two ninety two or emails to Jason
at newstalkzb dot co dot nz. But as we tick
over eight past two, as we always do it around
about this time, there you go. The music will tell
you it's time to get you across some of the
stuff that you may have missed, some of the things
that have escaped your attention in the last little while.

(01:24:29):
It's not hugely busy sports wise. I feel like it's
a bit of a calm in between storms. But there's
quite a bit to catch you up on. Starting with
Test cricket, Australia have won the first Test against the
West Indies in Barbados, bowling their hosts out for one
hundred and forty one in their second innings, Nathan Lyon
taking the final wicket to secure victory.

Speaker 18 (01:24:52):
Short lag there. It's a wicket at the Ascens. They've
dominated and they've picked up the ten with Sydian wickets
ended this much and they go on to tech a
one zero led in the series, the win by one
fifty nine runs.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
What are bawling efforts? Let's go to the NRL. The
Sea Eagles doing it fairly comfortably over the Tigers.

Speaker 16 (01:25:16):
Sherry Evans another kicked over the top betters.

Speaker 20 (01:25:21):
Ben Tifovitch, one of the local heros.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Has scored twenty eighteen, the final score to Manly. In
the later game, Canberra led the Knights twenty two to
six with about a quarter of an hour to go,
but did have to fight off a late comeback for
just enough time for the Knights.

Speaker 9 (01:25:40):
Hogada guy holds up the past best for Shiller.

Speaker 17 (01:25:44):
I've brands that finished coming up for McDonald Jian.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
A twenty to eighteen win. Eventually for Canberra. The Raiders
go top of the NRL table at the stage of
the season for the first time in twenty two years.
Up the Green Machine. A big win for Italy in
their rugby international against Namibia.

Speaker 21 (01:26:05):
Has come there by the Italians and as we said
they haven't dominated the scrum, they come up with very
dominant scrum to give Italy their second penalty try. That
was the end of the game according to mister brace,
so Italy finishing off with a massive scrum. There to
Giff Jockberger and then some food for thoughts for the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Seventy three six the final score to Italy. And in
the New Zealand Basketball League of tight contest in Dunedin
between the Otago Nuggets and the Total on Are five.
The Five were ahead by four with teen seconds left
and Otago inbounding.

Speaker 22 (01:26:39):
Oh those backups, Oh that's pretty what a block my goodness,
mohave king with a flush and the other end the nuggets.

Speaker 14 (01:26:46):
Will have been a goldtending call was going.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
To be made and that will be game.

Speaker 18 (01:26:53):
The officials say clean bloc and that the five it's
say clean.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Win eighty two. The fight hang on.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
When it's down to the line. You made a call.
On Weekend Sport with Jason Hine News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
MB eleven minutes past her Great News this week Sale
GP will return to Auckland on February fourteen and fifteen
next year, after a successful debut earlier this year.

Speaker 6 (01:27:20):
Here we go.

Speaker 7 (01:27:21):
I'm gonna get to do it in front of the
Kiwi fans.

Speaker 23 (01:27:26):
And the Emirates fly time eighty two percent for Tom
Slingsby and the Flying Ruse. As they bring it home
and there's the finish line, the sold out crowd will
bring them home. They'd rather see black balls, but they're
gonna see green and gold as they come to the line,
the Emirates pooty moment goes the way of the Australians.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Apart from the fact that Australia wanted it, it was
a great weekend. So next year the Auckland event will
be the second of twelve on the twenty twenty six calendar,
secured on a one regatta deal. Alex Corey is head
of Event for the New Zealand leg of sale GP.
She joins us Now, Alex, great news this We get
to do it all again Nexturi. How excited are you

(01:28:07):
to be having sole GP returned back to Auckland.

Speaker 24 (01:28:12):
We're so excited to finally have this date locked in,
I mean off the success of the event earlier this year,
where we're looking forward to building on that success and
really growing our fan experience and hopefully the fan base
and getting more spectators down onto that site to watch
the exciting racing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
What sort of feedback did you get from, first of all,
the sale GP organization and the teams who visited Auckland
earlier this.

Speaker 24 (01:28:39):
Year, It was it was the best we had in
the history of SELDP, to be fair. The athletes loved it,
management loved it, The whole organization loved it. You know,
it's I think it's a real combination of great sailing. Obviously,
we've got good wins out there on the way to
Matter Harbor in the afternoon, a huge spectator fan base

(01:29:04):
and that huge grandstand, and also just been down in
the heart of the city. You know, you're right in
downtown Auckland. That was fantastic to see all those bars
and restaurants along when you had quarter there, you know,
humming and thousands of people back at it. It felt
like those olden days.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
It certainly that how do you balance your priorities, Alex
in terms of giving cele gp what they need, giving
the teams what they need, but also creating that fan experience,
because let's be honest, Without the fans, the events nowhere
near as good as it is.

Speaker 24 (01:29:36):
It isn't no, I mean, it's I think it's the
product that we have is you know, exceptional. It's when
you talk to fans, the consistent feedback that I get
is it was so unexpected. So you know, just people
come down there that in a grandstand seat just meters

(01:29:58):
off the water, you know, it's like nothing you know,
one's ever experienced before. And then you've got the f
fifty flying straight past, you know, meters a way when
you can you can hear the athletes talking to each other.
So it's not too hard to balance. It's it's I
think the product speaks for itself, and so you know
it's it's an easy job.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Are there any changes or improvements you're looking to make
for next year?

Speaker 24 (01:30:24):
Yeah, we you know, we're always looking at how we
can improve, certainly, you know, improvement on the fan experience.
You know, we're hoping to you know, work with our
partners down on when your point and make that even better.
We're looking at how we can grow that race stadium
and the and the grand stand down there. Obviously we're

(01:30:44):
limited of waterfronted, but you know, we're hoping that we're
working with our design team and our operations teams to
see how we can grow that grand stand as well
so that we can get more people down there. Also,
you know, we're looking at the last year, sorry this year,
we had twelve twelve national teams. We're looking to grow

(01:31:05):
that to fourteen, so you know, expect to see even
more excitement out on that water.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Why is this only a one year deal?

Speaker 24 (01:31:16):
As you know, well may know, we had a four
year agreement with the government, so that was to host
two events in christ Sertain Pearl Auckland. So we're seeing
out that contract, but you know, absolutely looking at how
we can extend that for fifty years and we're working
with Tatafi Auckland unlimited. So hopefully you know, we will

(01:31:38):
become a permanent fixture in the event calendar.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Well, you're completely preemp to my next question. So you
it's your hope that this will become an annual event,
that that there will be be more to see beyond
next year in terms of sole GP in Auckland.

Speaker 24 (01:31:54):
Absolutely, I mean we're looking as a league, we're looking
to sort of cement the calendar so that we've become
you know, like other major sporting events where you know
that you know, every February there will be a sale
GP in Auckland, and that's that's our hope. So you know,
we're working with the host city and things on that

(01:32:16):
as we speak to you know, make that work, ll
love it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
We'll work for progress on that. And having hosted it
now once and you said here last year, it feels
like last year, doesn't it, But earlier earlier this year
having done it once now, Alex is it very much
for some parts of it anyway, But of a lock
and load you just do you know, you do what
you did earlier this year for next year. In terms
of the way the bases are set up and and
things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
A little bit.

Speaker 24 (01:32:42):
Yeah, with the additional two teams. Obviously we'll need to
extend the tech site, so looking at you know, crossing
off over into the Hawsey Wolf around the vibacked events
center area for the race stadium. Obviously, always looking at improvements,
you know, how can we make this better for us spectators?
How can we build on that fan experience, How can

(01:33:03):
we get more people down there to experience? So yeah,
always looking for improvements.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Be good to have a New Zealand win too, wouldn't it.
I know you can't impact that, but that'd be cool.

Speaker 24 (01:33:14):
That would be great. You know, I'm absolutely rooting for
the boys, but yeah, we'll see Alex.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Great to chat. This is excellent news. We can lock
in the date for next year fourteen and fifteen February
for sal GP back in Auckland. Really appreciate you.

Speaker 9 (01:33:28):
Taking the time for a chat then, thanks Jason, No.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Thank you, Alex. Alex Cory there she's the event head
for the New Zealand leg of sol GP February fourteen fifteen.
Those are the dates. I haven't seen when ticket will
go on sale, and I'm sure that will be in
the not too just in future now that the dates
have been confirmed, I'm going to start lobbying for doing
the shows from down there as we did earlier this year.

(01:33:52):
Great fun being down there, and the teams were just
so good to deal with, not just the black fall,
so you know, we basically got to chat to whoever
we wanted to, but all of the teams they were
quite happy to come and chat to us and our
mobile student. So hopefully we can do that again in
February of next year, just before we move Darren Basley
shortly all whites Coach Formula One driver Lillia Lawson's had

(01:34:15):
a solid first day getting to know the Red Bull
Rings circuit ahead of the Austrian Grand Prix, which comes
up in the early hours of Monday morning. Sixty five
valuable laps in practice for the seventy one lap race,
the fifteenth fastest time in practice one the twelfth quickest
in practice to the McLaren's unsurprisingly set the pace then

(01:34:37):
Red Bull King Max Forstappenham behind. Some interesting comments though
from Laurent Mechez, who is the Racing Balls team's boss.
He was asked afterwards for his assessment on Liam Lawson's
progress in that car. Is getting there, is getting there.
I think.

Speaker 10 (01:34:55):
If we see him improving every race, I think we
now all agrees that jumping in a car mid season
is going to be difficult, regardless of where you are
on on the pit lane, and I think we have
to give him time to get used to the car
and to get confortable into it and to push it.
What we see is that the speed is there. He

(01:35:16):
may not yet putting it together when it matters in
quality and the race, but we are trying everything we
can to support him, and we see him doing that
more and more. You have seen him Monaco.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
You put the guy in in Q three.

Speaker 10 (01:35:30):
You have seen here again this morning he went on
the right with them straight away and uh and and
equally I think there was ten cars in a tenth
this morning. So you know, it's it's about getting the
last bit when when it matters, and we are confident
that we get there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
There's the voice of Laurent and Mickey who is in
charge of Racing Balls. He's the Racing Balls team boss.
So qualifying tonight, the all important qualifying will be able
to bring you those results as part of our news
Talk Sports News tomorrow morning and then the race itself
on Monday morning. Let's hope that Liam Lawson can can
continue to do well. Lauren was quite quite cautious, wasn't.

(01:36:09):
He's getting there. He's getting there, and it does take time, man,
it takes time. Let's hope for big things from Liam
Lawson in the next forty eight hours or so two
twenty one when we come back. Actually text three here
from Mike. I went to the last Auckland sal GP
where I got a world class event that had Auckland buzzing.
Kudos to the sale GP team that delivered this put
our city on the map as well as creating a

(01:36:31):
spectacular and exciting sporting event. Mike, I could not agree more.
Absolutely brilliant event. I just hope that they find a
way to make it annual. I'm hearing this. What's going
to happen?

Speaker 6 (01:36:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Here whispers around. Even producer Mark Kelly's got some inside information.
He thinks he's heard that it's coming back well beyond
next year. And let's hope that's the case. If they
can find the money, if they could be an annual
world class event in Auckland every year, why wouldn't you
Why wouldn't you? Two twenty one when we come back
All Whites coach Darren Baisley with us.

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get your podcasts. Weekend for IT two twenty five, The
All Whites will take on the Soccer Rustember over two games,
one in Australia one here in New Zealand. The two
nations have both qualified for next year's World Cup. They
will play in Canberra on Friday, September the fifth, before
the return match at go Media Stadium in Auckland on

(01:38:20):
Tuesday September. The ninth All Whites coach Darren Baisley is
with us. This doesn't have been very often, Bays. The
All Whites have played Australia just five times since two
thousand and six, only one of those in New Zealand.
So how much you're looking forward to these two games?

Speaker 9 (01:38:37):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:38:37):
These are great games? You know any I think that
keeps saying it about any New Zealand Australia sporting event
and in any code is excited and it's going to
be competitive. So yeah, bag games, great games for us.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
You look at the current fee for rankings and I
know they only tell some of the story, but Australia
are currently twenty sixth in the world, New Zealand eighty sixth.
Do you feel though, as though you're in a position
where you can push them even beat them in one
or both of these games.

Speaker 25 (01:39:03):
Yeah, definitely. You know, obviously the ranking to what they are,
but when you actually dig into the rankings and how
you climb, it's actually really difficult for us to climb
the rankings. With the games that we have, the sort
of competition games that we have, we feel like we're
you know, we're ranked a lot higher than where we
where we should well we are, you know, we should
be ranked a lot higher, and we gradually climb in

(01:39:24):
you will probably get some more points from that last window.
But I think we were starting to show you that
we can compete with these teams around the sort of
thirty forty to fifty era. You know, when we look
at obviously Code Divoire recently that were ranked forty one,
and Tunisia we're in the forties, Republic of Bylinberg in
the thirties when we played them. You know, USA were
ranked sixteen when we played them, and you we've sort

(01:39:45):
of didn't get beaten. So we're starting to feel like
we can definitely compete with these teams that have got
these rankings and you know as pretty highly ranked. You know,
they've done well over the last few years and they've
got some good players, but great game for us, and
we're excited.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
You're just back, of course from Canada where you took
on Ivory Coast or when they're and Ukraine a narrow loss.
With the benefit of some time to reflect on that
particular window, how do you evaluate those two mats.

Speaker 25 (01:40:11):
Yeah, I think it was a really good step for us.
You know, we we'd come off the back of playing
a lot of games against OFC opposition, you know, where
we were the highly ranked team and sort of the
favorites for those games, and you know, we did our jobs,
but they were different games to what we were you know,
what we're going to face coming for the rest of
the year and for those two Ivory Coasts and Ukraine games.
So it was I was really interested going into it

(01:40:34):
to see where we were, you know, because we've won
a lot of games, and winning does become a habit,
you know, it doesn't really matter who you're playing against
at times. But yeah, we always felt like there were
different games. It was like a start of a new chapter,
you know, as we build to the World Cup. So
it was exciting to see that we you know, we
took our recent winning form and took that into a
game against a better opposition and won a game, which

(01:40:56):
was great. And I think that'll add real belief to
the players that, you know, because we've got a really
good group of players, and I just feel like they
just needed that little bit of belief in themselves and
each other that, you know, we can play these teams
and win, and now we've sort of done that, hopefully
we can move forward.

Speaker 17 (01:41:13):
You know.

Speaker 25 (01:41:13):
The Ukraine game, I thought it was a pretty good performance,
you know, but even after the Coat of Voi win,
we didn't get too carried away, didn't get too excited,
you know, the players didn't because I know they think
that there's a lot more from us to come. You know,
we're still working on a lot of things, things we
can do better. So we didn't get too carried away
with that. But I think it definitely instilled some belief moving.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Forward inside the playing group during that window. Did you
sense a lift and intensity with World Cup qualification now
secure in places on the plane to the World Cup
now up for grabs?

Speaker 25 (01:41:49):
Yeah, I mean that, As you know, they are a
great group of lads anyway, and they turn up for
every window with that mindset. But yeah, I felt like
there was definitely a sort of step change. We as
staff felt like it was the start of a new chapter,
and we talked about that a bit. You know, we
were going from being the sort of hunted team to

(01:42:10):
the hunters, you know, going from being the favorites to
to you know, the lesser ranked team. And whilst the
players don't like the tag underdog, you know, you know,
other teams I think still sort of regard us that
way a little bit because of our rankings. So it's
fine for other teams to think that, you know, we
don't see ourselves as underdogs anymore. You know, we see
that we can compete with these teams and give them

(01:42:33):
a good game.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
As these players, you know, look to press their claims
to be part of your squad for the World Cup
next year, what sort of messaging are you giving to
them both when you're together in camp and during the
times when they are with their clubs.

Speaker 25 (01:42:50):
Yeah, I mean it's it's no real different message to
any other time that you know, all White coaches give players,
you know, get yourself in the best environment, get yourself
as fid as you can, need to be playing regularly,
you know, and if you're not you need to look
at options to secure playing time, you know, and then
when you get opportunities within the windows, grab that opportunity perform,

(01:43:10):
you know, because when we come to select a squads,
there's so many different considerations that we look at. You know,
how players have done with us, how much time they've
spent with us in our environment, and how they've performed
with us. But then what are they doing in their
club environments and how are they progressing there? What level
are they playing at? The form, the fitness, the partnerships,

(01:43:32):
the position of flexibility, you know, all these sort of
things going to selecting a squad. So what sort of
sided players is you know, every day is an opportunity.
You know, what you do at your club and in
your own environment can help. What you do when you
come in with us can help. And then we sort
of put all that in the mix and pick the squads.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
There's a couple of players who have been regulars in
your squads in the last couple of years who are
as we speak today without a club. Matt Garbett, Ben Wayne.
How important is it that those two in particular find
a new home sometime soon?

Speaker 25 (01:44:05):
Yeah, it's very important. You know, these these two in particular,
they've done very well with us, and they've done very
well at previous sort of club environments, you know, over
the last few years. So you know, the last couple
of squads so much and June, you know, we we
kept them. We kept selecting them, you know, based on
what they've done with us, based on what they've done
previously at at clubs. Whilst we knew they weren't getting

(01:44:27):
as much game time recent game time as we wanted
or they wanted, we sort of gave them that the
benefit for that, that's not something that could carry on,
you know for a long time. You know, they now
know that they need to get back playing regularly at clubs.
So yeah, I'm excited to see where those two land

(01:44:49):
and some other players who are in the process of
potentially moving as well. You know, we've just seen the
Max krokerm move around, which is awesome, and Zeno's Security
Club as well, which is great, and I think there'll
be a few other sort of movements and it is
a big year. Players sort of know that, and they
all determined to put themselves in the best environment that
can be to be selected. That's great for hear and

(01:45:10):
it's great for us.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Another player will ask about is Ryan Thomas. He hasn't
played for New Zealand since the back end of twenty
nineteen with a really unfortunate run of injuries. He is
now back playing regularly in the Netherlands. Will you look
at bringing him in for these matches against Australia.

Speaker 25 (01:45:27):
I mean, he's definitely a player where we talked to
regularly and really interested him. He's a top, top player.
So can you imagine bringing Ryan Thomas back into the group.
It'll be like a new sign in that he's He's
always said to me, like I've always felt that we'll
see him in an a white shirt again. And he's
always said to me he just needed to have a
good six months with no injury setbacks, you know, and

(01:45:49):
just get back playing before he would contemplate taking on
any extra loading. He ended up last season, you know,
played the last three months this season, you know pretty
consistently feels good, you know, his injury free, and then
this season stopped. So at this stage he sort of said,
let me we go through pre season with the club,
let me see how the season starts, and hopefully everything's

(01:46:10):
in a really good place and we'll just keep talking
and we'll keep looking at it. You know, weather september's
too early, but you know we've got October and November
has really good windows as well, which which could be opportunities.
But I think we would all jump at the chance
of bringing Ryan in. But it's it's really going to
be on his terms.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
When is Alex Poulson going to get another game and goal.

Speaker 25 (01:46:33):
He's been really well Alex. You know, he's very young still.
You know, he's sort of only had his two years
really as a professional playing, had two great seasons and
he's pushing Max.

Speaker 9 (01:46:44):
Now.

Speaker 25 (01:46:45):
You know Max. Max is a very good goalkeeper. You know,
he's just secured and moved to the Championship, which is
a really high level, which is going to test him.
And someone never really put any anything wrong when he's
been with us. So it's really difficult for goalkeepers to
because they're not sort of that position where he takes
somebody off and give someone twenty minutes, you know, like

(01:47:06):
apple fielders get so so it's hard for goalkeepers. We
keep talking to Alex every time he comes in. He's
really good on toy.

Speaker 8 (01:47:14):
He pushes Max.

Speaker 25 (01:47:15):
He's a real professional. I think Max can feel him
pushing as well, which probably has pushed Max to a
new height as we saw in the last tour. Yeah,
I mean I think it's competitive in that position, and
I'm sure Alex will get an opportunity soon. You know,
we now need to see what happens with him. He's
going back to Bournemouth. Will he stay there? Will he

(01:47:36):
go out and loan? You know where he'll end up. Well,
we'll have an impact as well on us, So we'll
wait and see how he goes. But yeah, he's doing great.
I'm not I don't think we should be too worried
right now that he's not getting game time with us.

Speaker 13 (01:47:50):
He's so young.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
All right, Well, you've got these two games in September,
our game confirmed in the October window against world number
thirty eight Norway, in reports of another game in that
window against another European nation. Then there's windows in November
and another one in March. Do you feel confident you'll
get two matches in each of those two windows as well?

Speaker 25 (01:48:11):
Yeah, we'll definitely get we'll definitely get the full amount
of games. We're still trying to confirm opposition, but we're
again with those with those ones for October and November.
We're really close to securing those extra three fixtures. I've
got no doubt in my head that we'll definitely get
the games. It's just just confirming the level of opposition
and potentially they're all going to be top thirty teams

(01:48:33):
in the world, which would be amazing against sort of
different confederations as well. So if it all goes to plan,
hopefully we'll get some release of those fixtures soon and yeah,
they'll be exciting games.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Good to hear. And I guess because you don't know
who you're going to play at the World Cup till December,
and there's only one window left after that, so it's
not like you can tailor your your build up over
the next twelve months to who you're going to be
playing because you don't know yet. But is there a
certain type of opponent that you're looking for as you
hit towards the World Cup or is it more where
they are ranked that is important?

Speaker 9 (01:49:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:49:06):
Well, I mean right now, we've sort of said when
we started planning the year ahead now early January February,
looking towards qualification, we said for the rest of the year,
we just wanted to be able to play against different
oppositions from different confederations, so that you know, come the draw,
you know we'll have had experience against African teams, against

(01:49:27):
European teams, against Asian teams, and you know, conquer CAF
common ball. So I think we're hopefully in a great
place where you know, well we'll get to the draw
and we will have had experience against most types of
teams and then whatever the draw throws up, you know,
it gives us the March window to try and get
something similar for that window in the pre World Cups. Yes,

(01:49:50):
an exciting time. You know, the draw in December is
going to be amazing and that's where we find out
who the who the positions are and we start planning.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Looking forward to a full house at go Media on Tuesday,
the ninth of September when the soccer undertown.

Speaker 25 (01:50:07):
Yeah, it'd be amazing. I think it's great. You know,
we played at Eden Park in March and that was great.
But you know, to take this game to go Media,
you know, at the home of Warkman and the fans
that they've been get in here. The capacities there have
been amazing, the atmosphere has been amazing, so I mean
hopefully the portal come out and support us like they

(01:50:28):
do Auckland and create the same sort of atmosphere that
I'm sure Australia are going to love coming into, which
would be pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
Absolutely great to have these games locked and looking forward
to us seeing he you go against the soccer who's
in September. Always love catching up base Thanks for taking
the time.

Speaker 25 (01:50:43):
Now anytime paying great catch up me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
No, great to chat Darren, Thanks indeed Darren. Basically All
Whites head coach so September trans Tasman double Header All
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weekend that's going to be. So All Whites Soccer roo's

(01:51:09):
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(01:51:52):
We're going to take a break and stay on the
footballing theme. Auckland CITYFC are back from the Club World Cup.
Their general manager Gordon Watson.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
Right after this the tough Questions off the Turf Weekend
Sport with Jason Kine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most
trusted home builder.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
Eighteen away from three was the goal that was seen
and heard around the world.

Speaker 20 (01:52:16):
It's not a bad running inside ol Clint City have
their first goal at the FIFA Club World Cup. Christian Cray.
Were they thumping had up?

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
That's Auckland City FC defender Christian Gray, scoring the goal
which earned his side a one all draw with Argentine
giants Boker Juniors in their final pall match at the
expanded FIFA Club World Cup. The team is flying a
home now Gordon Watson as general manager and joins US
now hopefully not too jet lagged. How significant a result
Gordon was that in the history of Auckland CITYFC.

Speaker 11 (01:52:53):
Wow, Look, Jason, first of all, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 6 (01:52:57):
Look.

Speaker 11 (01:52:57):
I think it was significant on a number of levels,
not just within the history of the club, but I
mean we're talking about a team that's sitting fourth in
the Northern League. I mean that's fact. You know, a
team from a regional league in New Zealand going up
against not a football team, but a football institution with

(01:53:18):
well over one hundred and fifty million US dollars. There's
players in their team with great pedigrees, some of them
earning three million US dollars a year. So yeah, I
mean one one with a team like that, it's an
incredible result. And it's perhaps more incredible given you know,
the results of the first game, which was devastating. It

(01:53:41):
doesn't matter who the opponent was. Nobody loses a game
ten No one feels good about it, So you know,
all that credit belongs to our players and our coaching staff.
The character they showed and the resilience they show was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Very proud of them, I bet you are. We all are.
I saw a great clip from you. The world's football
media picked up on the fact, of course, all of
Auckland Cityfc's players had actual jobs. And the clip that
you said was the goal was a corner from a
barber headed in by a trainee teacher. You're yelling at
a stockbroker to tell a realize that agent to pick
up Edison Kevani. This is brilliant stuff from you. Do

(01:54:17):
you think people realize how remarkable this is.

Speaker 6 (01:54:20):
I'm not too sure.

Speaker 11 (01:54:21):
I think globally, you know, we front loaded the communications
plan very deliberately around the authentic stories individually of each
of the players because it was very important first and
foremost that we protect them with the facts when they
go and play by Munich. You know, it could always

(01:54:43):
have gone wrong, and it did, and so my thought
process around that was, well, if it does go wrong,
we don't want to have them become victims of trolling
and they won't deserve that. So how do we sort
of counteract that, and so by being who they are,

(01:55:05):
they earned you know, the admiration of people around the world.
I'm not so sure that's immediately the case in New Zealand.
I mean, if we're honest, you know, the club's success
has you know, caused a perception of the club itself
as you know, being maybe the Manchester City of New
Zealand football in some ways, and so therefore you're always

(01:55:26):
up there to be criticized. And despite that, you know,
the facts speaks for themselves. The guys work, you know,
and they pay rent and mortgages and all of that stuff,
that normal stuff, and they go through suffering, you know, marriages,
children as a positive, but then they have bereavements and illnesses,

(01:55:46):
which is a negative side, and we get to see
that all the time. And so I know how strong
they are as people to do what they do, and
what they did in that last game and in the
first half of the Benfeaker game showed the world not
only what we're capable of, but what teams and players

(01:56:07):
are capable of in the Northern, Central and Southern League.
Because if you look at the backgrounds of our players,
they've all played for different clubs around the country at
different points, and you know we can all share a
little bit of the success of that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
Can I just pick up on that point. Have you
not felt great affection from the New Zealand football community
after this?

Speaker 11 (01:56:26):
Well we've been in America. I mean I only got
home seven o'clock this morning, and you know, leading up
to the Bayern Munich game, I haven't really had time
to look at what the the reaction has been here.
It's been more the global side of it, because that's
what we're dealing with every single day while we were there,

(01:56:48):
and we're dealing with a football side of things. If
you ask that question of a tileamis on you who's
the media manager, maybe you give you a better answer
than I could, simply because you've got to keep going
every single minute every day at a World Cup to
make sure everything is going right, whether that be operationally,

(01:57:08):
whether that be in the administrative side, whether that be
in the high performance elements, which could look like a
whole raft of different things. By and large, from what
I have seen, it has been positive. But I think Piney,
you and I both know that you know the club
is also successful domestically and so there's always a little

(01:57:30):
bit of skeptics with it, and I'm not saying that's unusual,
but it's also quite normal.

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
For that to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
So, yeah, prize money. You earned six million dollars for participating,
another one point six million for the drawer. Historically, some
of that club World Cup prize money has gone to
supporting the New Zealand football ecosystem. Hasn't just gone to
the club. How much goes to who this time around?

Speaker 11 (01:58:00):
Well, I'd love to be able to answer that, but
unfortunately I can't because that is a topic that is
sitting in mediation with New Zealand Football. There have been
two meetings with the governing national governing body of the
sport on the topic and we're no further forward on

(01:58:22):
that at this present moment. My personal feeling is it
would be nice for the player to receive something for
all the hard work. They were the ones that you know,
earned that result. So I guess we need a crystal
ball to see what the outcome of that will be.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
So the fact that as a mediation obviously means that
that there's some sort of dispute or or disagreement here.
Shouldn't the players get some.

Speaker 11 (01:58:52):
Oh, well, look, you know that that will be something
that emerges throughout the course of the process. I think
I think it will be interesting to see which way
that goes. I mean, the average fan around the world,
I'm sure would have an opinion of that. I'm sure
the competing clubs at the fee for Club World Cup

(01:59:13):
would also have a perspective of it if they were
in our position. I think that would be entirely human
to look at it and think that the players deserve something.
But what that ultimately ends up looking like is it's
impossible to say at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
You've been around football for a long time, You've watched
football in all parts of the world, how are the
emotions when Christian Gray's header hits the net?

Speaker 11 (01:59:40):
Bloody hell? Sorry, disbelieve. To be honest with you, I'll
tell you why. The Benfiker game that the break for
the weather was two hours and twenty five minutes or
two hours forty something like that, and it broke the momentum,
completely broke the momentum of where we had been at.

(02:00:00):
Plus we had had the penalty Kirck awarded eight minutes
into a time I think at the end of the
first half we'd had tongs, you come off with the concussion,
and then all the drama of bats and by the
time we came back out for the second half, you
know that grip we had on the match slipped and

(02:00:22):
then you know Benfiker with Benfica, and so when Christians
called the goal and it had the back of the
net and he started his typical Christian gray subdues.

Speaker 4 (02:00:34):
Whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 11 (02:00:37):
Yeah, I was just I thought, was that a goal?
And then I looked at the linesman, and then I
looked at the referee, and I was looking at the
screen for var or something to come up, and it
just stuck. And then I was just sitting there dumbfound it.
Actually people around me were fully enjoying it. But maybe
I don't have the luxury as a gym to do that.

(02:01:00):
And I just thought, Okay, we're won one. How long
ago we had plenty of time for them to come back.
But in Fika, we were beating Bayern Munich and we'd
had our own break and we had adapted better as
a result of having gone through it once before, and
Boka hadn't been through it, so knowing that their fans

(02:01:20):
are very passionate and that can be an asset. Also
know that that can be a burden when it's not
going right.

Speaker 4 (02:01:25):
And then it all.

Speaker 11 (02:01:26):
Started to head towards that. That moment I thought, you know,
we could end up picking up a point or better.
And then we had to go through the terrifying prospect
of the handball as well, which I didn't get a
good look at and I felt too one that's possibly that.
But yeah, Christian's goal was brilliant and that couldn't happen

(02:01:49):
to a better guy. You know, he's been through a
lot as well, with injuries and one of them being
having vertigo for a little period and.

Speaker 4 (02:01:58):
We went quite sure what that was.

Speaker 11 (02:02:00):
But you know, he proved something that you can dream
about coming through our system and the pyramid, having an opportunity.
Christmas even had been a wide or a professional and
he scored a goal at a World Cup.

Speaker 4 (02:02:15):
I mean, it doesn't get better.

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
Than that, Indeed, it doesn't. Congratulations to you and everybody involved, Gordon.
Thanks for joining us, mate, Hoping you get some sleep
and get the body clock back in the right place.
Always good to catch up. Thanks for your time, man, Yes,
thank you very much. Take care Gordon Watson, general manager
of Auckland City FC. Eight to three News Talks.

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