James McOnie from The Crowd Goes Wild joined Piney to discuss Black Caps' victory, the All Blacks' victory, the NPC finals and Chris Wood's goal-scoring form.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk zb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Time every Sunday or around about this time every Sunday
we get the pleasure of the company of James Mconie. James,
I had a dream last night that Mitchell Santoner got
thirteen wickets and then you turned up on the radio
to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I know you know it's all come true, Pony, your
biggest dreams have come true. I'm here for you.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
What about that, well.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I know that's the whole thing. It's not just a dream.
It should be a movie because talk about a ragtag
team of misfits, you know, a new captain, probably not
that many superstars, I mean, ratching might end up being
an all time great. Tim Saudi, you know, getting a
bit long in the tooth and that's not even a
tooth teeth joke for him, but just the team that
just bonded together and with Mitchell Satner I think they
(00:55):
call it in the flow state or feeling himself in
the modern parlance. Pony, Yeah, there's an all time performance.
He's had his Doug Bracewl and Hobart test right there.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Don't you think It's great though that he is so
understated in his celebrations. I mentioned before I saw a
great one on social that when he got Viverra Coli out,
he celebrated like a guy. Just remember where his kha
keys were.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, well he looks like the villain out of Despicable Me.
Is it grew or grew anyway? He's a little bit hunchbacked.
He sort of he wanders around and just doesn't seem
to raise a sweats. But I think when he got
that run out, you could just see how well he
was playing the game, and the loop and dip that
he provided was perfect for that pitch, and I think
(01:39):
that was the perfect setting for Santana. Sometimes you probably
think when he's picked in those home Tests that we
should have a spinner that turns the ball more. But honestly,
over there he is perfect for those conditions. Great fielder
and with that variation. But this is the whole thing.
He's third on the all time list now paddles the
(01:59):
great Sir Richard Hadley is number one with that those
fifteen wickets in Brisbane. Of course, AJS. Battel is number
two two with fourteen wickets and ten in one innings.
Of course there was a Test that black Caps lost,
but to get those standing wickets in a historic series
win and India, it's right up there with one of
(02:19):
the greatest individual performances in any code for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, totally agree, totally agree. It says, Yeah, it's a
good analogy with Doug Bracewell and Hobart because he'll always
always be remembered for that. Hopefully there's more to come
from Mitchell Center, but yeah, he'll always have He'll always
have poone.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
He will always have poone. And you know what, like
the way that I think the black Caps really sort
of fit together well as a team. It just feels
like a team, you know, doesn't seem to be many egos.
It's just a really nice team to watch. And for
Tom Latham, he's going to take a bow as well.
(02:56):
That's an incredible series as captain.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Absolutely right, Okay, let's go to the All Blacks. We're up.
Was sort of there's quite a bit going on on
screen on screen yesterday, so I was sort of flipping
between All Blacks, Black Caps and a little bit of
Wellington Phoenix and other a league and that sort of
thing as well. Did you. Did you take much away
from the the rather lopsided scoreline against.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Japan, Well, Piney, we haven't pretty prepared this. We just
talked to each other on Sunday. I mean, I take
some notes. But one thing I'd like you to do
is think of who you think the most impressive All
Black the season has been first name, last name, and
on the count of three, we'll both say his name. Okay, okay,
yep one, two three, Wallace to tt correct, Yeah, it
(03:42):
is it is season and the way he's the way
he's played against every opposition. And also Stephen Donald the
Beaver providing some awesome analysis on sky Sport last night,
saying it's his late footwork that no teams can counter
him because the Japanese like to tackle quite low and
(04:02):
Lunjon low. He's just making mincemeat of them when he
wants to. And so it was quite an interesting insight
into his special set of skills like Liam Neiss and
Taken and where he just and maybe like Liam mess
him as well from the Chiefs. He's got all those skills,
the vistality. I thought he was exceptional and then it's
(04:22):
still so I'd like to talk about Pal regard and
the type five Who would you like to talk about piny.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
No, no, both of those. But also before we get that,
can I go back to you with one of the
games we just played there or the game we just
played when we say the same thing at the same time.
So on my counter of three, can you say the
surnames of who you think will play six, seven and
eight against England next week? Are you ready? We've got
in your head?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Wait, who's are you? Okay? I can six seven eight
in that order?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yees, six seven eight and that order surnames only, Okay,
six seven eight on the on the count of three,
one two three, So t T Caine Savia there you go, okay,
So we match up on that as well. This game
I think is gonna ge a bit old. Now can
we talk about cam roy Gard?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Cam roy Guard just announcing that he's back on the
scene also with the County Steelers, and you go, okay,
that's just the NPC. But I'll tell you what, there's
still tough defenses to crack. But he looks into such
imperious form even after he bombed that try that he
talks about previously. I just think he's gone away, not
only worked at his game, he's worked at his interview game.
How good was he that interview as well, just earlier
(05:34):
in the hour. I mean, come on, that's a new Boygard.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It not is, because I remember I remember him up
for media when he first made the Hurricanes, and you're
so right, he was kind of one of the I mean,
he wasn't, you know, completely reticent with his answers, but
they certainly weren't forty five seconds full of good analysis
and common sense like the ones we just heard.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, so he's come back, you know, stronger, faster, more articulate.
He looks like he's on the verge of something special.
So even though Cortez and Artema has got the inside running,
I just wonder whether Royguard is going to stamp his
mark on this tour. And look, I'm happy for the
Northern Hemisphere to talk about Antoine de Pomp being the
greatest way we plan in the world. But maybe, just maybe,
(06:17):
in Paris in a few weeks time, he'll get dethroned
by Cam Royguard, whose surname does mean King's Guard, doesn't it.
And in Frint anyway, let's go, I didn't stick the
landing like Cam Royguard, but he is. He looks like
he's just ready to do something special, even after breaking
(06:38):
or equaling Bowden's BRONC record.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Now were you happy to hear Wellie who Ha sung
again after the MPC final yesterday after an extra twenty
minutes of it?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, it was. It was an epic final. I felt
for the Bay. I mean, I'm chefsmun all day. I
really wanted Bay to make They have plenty to make
history there. They both deserve a trophy, don't they. But
it can there can only be one. Wellington have been
frontrunning all season and they're just an exceptional provincial side.
(07:09):
I loved the fact that Jackson garden baship got to
un after the tragedy of his brother Connor passing away
this earlier this year. There was a lot of storylines.
I think, you know, Duperskify just trying to that all
way for recognition really and then Riley Higgins an emerging talent.
(07:31):
What will happen when Riley Higgins when he gets into
the All Blacks, which feels like it's going to happen
very soon. And then Jordy Barrett comes back from Ireland
and they're both at the Hurricanes trying to battle over
one Jersey. That's going to be interesting to watch. But yeah,
I was okay with it. Piney. You're welly all day,
aren't you?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah? Absolutely, Look I've it's my ring tone, now, wellie
who has my ring tone? So you know not that
I not that. I get a heck of a lot
of phone calls, if I'm honest. But now it's sitting
there and just on, just on Riley Higgins, yeer, Riley Higgins,
Billy Proctor Hogg's that going to be in the absence
of Jordy Barrett for the Hurricanes next Super Rugby season. Hey,
just before you go, Chris Wood more goals for Nottingham
(08:13):
Forest yesterday. Only Earling Harland has more Premier League goals
so far this season than Chris Wood. It opens up
the inevitable conversation about where he sits among our all
time football and greats. I didn't necessarily want to have
that conversation today, but how good's he going?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
He's unbelievable Chris Wood, and I think there's a lot
of big clubs ruining the fact that they never signed
them because he was on the market there for a
while for a pretty decent rate, and you know he's
been fighting around those battler clubs, you know, whether it's
Burnley and this time Forest, But then I think I
(08:49):
had times at Leicester as well, and there's another clubs
there for a while as well. But look the fact
that Nottingham Forest picked him up and he keeps on
banging in goals even though you and I Piney have
been part of the Chris Wood fan club for a while.
I feel like the British are finally starting to notice
and talking him up. And I think there's two factors
(09:09):
to that. One is Harry Kane's left and he's gone
to play for Bayern Munich, so they're looking to talk
about strikers and goalscorers and they've got no option except,
you know, to talk about Chris Wood and healing Harland together,
which I love so And also he is propping up
a club that everyone was picking for relegation and we
did talk about this a few weeks ago, Partey. He
is that good Chris Wood that he is changing everything
(09:32):
for them. The fact they let a couple of stars
go over the summer I think helps him. He's not
just had got his back to the goal or in
the six yard box who seems to share those duties
now And he's scored one goal from outside the area,
which blew everyone's mind. But this is the one thing,
is that all those big clubs that didn't want him,
(09:53):
Manchester United, whoever, they are behind Nottingham Forest right now.
And it's all because of Chris Wood and the sixth.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
And that's the thing as well. But the team like
Nottingham Forest, who at the start of the season was
that I go, they might be a relegation contender. Start well,
they've got well, they've got sixteen points from their first
nine games. It's just such a good launching pad. It
means that you can go through a bit of a trough,
you know, in the sort of mid season around December, January,
whatever it is, and not get a couple of wins,
but you've got the base which is usually enough to
(10:20):
stay up. You compare it to the likes of Southampton
Wolves and Crystal Palace, So we're really battling down the bottom.
I think, you know what what Camp, what Chris Wood's
doing for Forest right now will probably keep them up.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Well, I know it's exactly right. So this is the thing.
Old fashion strikers. Even the phrase is the meaning for
someone who's that good at their job, they should have
really thought about what their team needs. And even Pep
Guardiola went for an old fashion striker in Earling Harlan,
so I know he was mentioned a little bit in
dispatches with some bigger clubs. I'm glad he's gone to
(10:52):
Forest because he's going to be a legend there for
a long time. And yes he might not be as
good as Winter Roof are probably the only he's in
a football footballer who can say is better? But how
about this, he's also maybe the best footballer out of
the White cut all since Don Clark. I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I love it. What a way to finish. Thanks James,
Enjoy the rest of your long weekend, mate. We'll check
again next Sunday. James mcconi part of our Sundays
Speaker 1 (11:17):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk Seed B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk zb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Time every Sunday or around about this time every Sunday
we get the pleasure of the company of James Mconie. James,
I had a dream last night that Mitchell Santoner got
thirteen wickets and then you turned up on the radio
to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I know you know it's all come true, Pony, your
biggest dreams have come true. I'm here for you.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
What about that, well.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I know that's the whole thing. It's not just a dream.
It should be a movie because talk about a ragtag
team of misfits, you know, a new captain, probably not
that many superstars, I mean, ratching might end up being
an all time great. Tim Saudi, you know, getting a
bit long in the tooth and that's not even a
tooth teeth joke for him, but just the team that
just bonded together and with Mitchell Satner I think they
(00:55):
call it in the flow state or feeling himself in
the modern parlance. Pony, Yeah, there's an all time performance.
He's had his Doug Bracewl and Hobart test right there.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Don't you think It's great though that he is so
understated in his celebrations. I mentioned before I saw a
great one on social that when he got Viverra Coli out,
he celebrated like a guy. Just remember where his kha
keys were.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, well he looks like the villain out of Despicable Me.
Is it grew or grew anyway? He's a little bit hunchbacked.
He sort of he wanders around and just doesn't seem
to raise a sweats. But I think when he got
that run out, you could just see how well he
was playing the game, and the loop and dip that
he provided was perfect for that pitch, and I think
(01:39):
that was the perfect setting for Santana. Sometimes you probably
think when he's picked in those home Tests that we
should have a spinner that turns the ball more. But honestly,
over there he is perfect for those conditions. Great fielder
and with that variation. But this is the whole thing.
He's third on the all time list now paddles the
(01:59):
great Sir Richard Hadley is number one with that those
fifteen wickets in Brisbane. Of course, AJS. Battel is number
two two with fourteen wickets and ten in one innings.
Of course there was a Test that black Caps lost,
but to get those standing wickets in a historic series
win and India, it's right up there with one of
(02:19):
the greatest individual performances in any code for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, totally agree, totally agree. It says, Yeah, it's a
good analogy with Doug Bracewell and Hobart because he'll always
always be remembered for that. Hopefully there's more to come
from Mitchell Center, but yeah, he'll always have He'll always
have poone.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
He will always have poone. And you know what, like
the way that I think the black Caps really sort
of fit together well as a team. It just feels
like a team, you know, doesn't seem to be many egos.
It's just a really nice team to watch. And for
Tom Latham, he's going to take a bow as well.
(02:56):
That's an incredible series as captain.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Absolutely right, Okay, let's go to the All Blacks. We're up.
Was sort of there's quite a bit going on on
screen on screen yesterday, so I was sort of flipping
between All Blacks, Black Caps and a little bit of
Wellington Phoenix and other a league and that sort of
thing as well. Did you. Did you take much away
from the the rather lopsided scoreline against.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Japan, Well, Piney, we haven't pretty prepared this. We just
talked to each other on Sunday. I mean, I take
some notes. But one thing I'd like you to do
is think of who you think the most impressive All
Black the season has been first name, last name, and
on the count of three, we'll both say his name. Okay, okay,
yep one, two three, Wallace to tt correct, Yeah, it
(03:42):
is it is season and the way he's the way
he's played against every opposition. And also Stephen Donald the
Beaver providing some awesome analysis on sky Sport last night,
saying it's his late footwork that no teams can counter
him because the Japanese like to tackle quite low and
(04:02):
Lunjon low. He's just making mincemeat of them when he
wants to. And so it was quite an interesting insight
into his special set of skills like Liam Neiss and
Taken and where he just and maybe like Liam mess
him as well from the Chiefs. He's got all those skills,
the vistality. I thought he was exceptional and then it's
(04:22):
still so I'd like to talk about Pal regard and
the type five Who would you like to talk about piny.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
No, no, both of those. But also before we get that,
can I go back to you with one of the
games we just played there or the game we just
played when we say the same thing at the same time.
So on my counter of three, can you say the
surnames of who you think will play six, seven and
eight against England next week? Are you ready? We've got
in your head?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Wait, who's are you? Okay? I can six seven eight
in that order?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yees, six seven eight and that order surnames only, Okay,
six seven eight on the on the count of three,
one two three, So t T Caine Savia there you go, okay,
So we match up on that as well. This game
I think is gonna ge a bit old. Now can
we talk about cam roy Gard?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Cam roy Guard just announcing that he's back on the
scene also with the County Steelers, and you go, okay,
that's just the NPC. But I'll tell you what, there's
still tough defenses to crack. But he looks into such
imperious form even after he bombed that try that he
talks about previously. I just think he's gone away, not
only worked at his game, he's worked at his interview game.
How good was he that interview as well, just earlier
(05:34):
in the hour. I mean, come on, that's a new Boygard.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It not is, because I remember I remember him up
for media when he first made the Hurricanes, and you're
so right, he was kind of one of the I mean,
he wasn't, you know, completely reticent with his answers, but
they certainly weren't forty five seconds full of good analysis
and common sense like the ones we just heard.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, so he's come back, you know, stronger, faster, more articulate.
He looks like he's on the verge of something special.
So even though Cortez and Artema has got the inside running,
I just wonder whether Royguard is going to stamp his
mark on this tour. And look, I'm happy for the
Northern Hemisphere to talk about Antoine de Pomp being the
greatest way we plan in the world. But maybe, just maybe,
(06:17):
in Paris in a few weeks time, he'll get dethroned
by Cam Royguard, whose surname does mean King's Guard, doesn't it.
And in Frint anyway, let's go, I didn't stick the
landing like Cam Royguard, but he is. He looks like
he's just ready to do something special, even after breaking
(06:38):
or equaling Bowden's BRONC record.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Now were you happy to hear Wellie who Ha sung
again after the MPC final yesterday after an extra twenty
minutes of it?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, it was. It was an epic final. I felt
for the Bay. I mean, I'm chefsmun all day. I
really wanted Bay to make They have plenty to make
history there. They both deserve a trophy, don't they. But
it can there can only be one. Wellington have been
frontrunning all season and they're just an exceptional provincial side.
(07:09):
I loved the fact that Jackson garden baship got to
un after the tragedy of his brother Connor passing away
this earlier this year. There was a lot of storylines.
I think, you know, Duperskify just trying to that all
way for recognition really and then Riley Higgins an emerging talent.
(07:31):
What will happen when Riley Higgins when he gets into
the All Blacks, which feels like it's going to happen
very soon. And then Jordy Barrett comes back from Ireland
and they're both at the Hurricanes trying to battle over
one Jersey. That's going to be interesting to watch. But yeah,
I was okay with it. Piney. You're welly all day,
aren't you?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah? Absolutely, Look I've it's my ring tone, now, wellie
who has my ring tone? So you know not that
I not that. I get a heck of a lot
of phone calls, if I'm honest. But now it's sitting
there and just on, just on Riley Higgins, yeer, Riley Higgins,
Billy Proctor Hogg's that going to be in the absence
of Jordy Barrett for the Hurricanes next Super Rugby season. Hey,
just before you go, Chris Wood more goals for Nottingham
(08:13):
Forest yesterday. Only Earling Harland has more Premier League goals
so far this season than Chris Wood. It opens up
the inevitable conversation about where he sits among our all
time football and greats. I didn't necessarily want to have
that conversation today, but how good's he going?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
He's unbelievable Chris Wood, and I think there's a lot
of big clubs ruining the fact that they never signed
them because he was on the market there for a
while for a pretty decent rate, and you know he's
been fighting around those battler clubs, you know, whether it's
Burnley and this time Forest, But then I think I
(08:49):
had times at Leicester as well, and there's another clubs
there for a while as well. But look the fact
that Nottingham Forest picked him up and he keeps on
banging in goals even though you and I Piney have
been part of the Chris Wood fan club for a while.
I feel like the British are finally starting to notice
and talking him up. And I think there's two factors
(09:09):
to that. One is Harry Kane's left and he's gone
to play for Bayern Munich, so they're looking to talk
about strikers and goalscorers and they've got no option except,
you know, to talk about Chris Wood and healing Harland together,
which I love so And also he is propping up
a club that everyone was picking for relegation and we
did talk about this a few weeks ago, Partey. He
is that good Chris Wood that he is changing everything
(09:32):
for them. The fact they let a couple of stars
go over the summer I think helps him. He's not
just had got his back to the goal or in
the six yard box who seems to share those duties
now And he's scored one goal from outside the area,
which blew everyone's mind. But this is the one thing,
is that all those big clubs that didn't want him,
(09:53):
Manchester United, whoever, they are behind Nottingham Forest right now.
And it's all because of Chris Wood and the sixth.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
And that's the thing as well. But the team like
Nottingham Forest, who at the start of the season was
that I go, they might be a relegation contender. Start well,
they've got well, they've got sixteen points from their first
nine games. It's just such a good launching pad. It
means that you can go through a bit of a trough,
you know, in the sort of mid season around December, January,
whatever it is, and not get a couple of wins,
but you've got the base which is usually enough to
(10:20):
stay up. You compare it to the likes of Southampton
Wolves and Crystal Palace, So we're really battling down the bottom.
I think, you know what what Camp, what Chris Wood's
doing for Forest right now will probably keep them up.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Well, I know it's exactly right. So this is the thing.
Old fashion strikers. Even the phrase is the meaning for
someone who's that good at their job, they should have
really thought about what their team needs. And even Pep
Guardiola went for an old fashion striker in Earling Harlan,
so I know he was mentioned a little bit in
dispatches with some bigger clubs. I'm glad he's gone to
(10:52):
Forest because he's going to be a legend there for
a long time. And yes he might not be as
good as Winter Roof are probably the only he's in
a football footballer who can say is better? But how
about this, he's also maybe the best footballer out of
the White cut all since Don Clark. I love it.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I love it. What a way to finish. Thanks James,
Enjoy the rest of your long weekend, mate. We'll check
again next Sunday. James mcconi part of our Sundays
Speaker 1 (11:17):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk Seed B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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