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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talk sed B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're just our final text on the life of George
Foreman and the Rumble and the Jungle. Steve says Piney
in nineteen seventy four, for The Big Fight. I was
ten years old. My mom came home from work to
find half my class in our lounge. We were the
first ones to have a color TV. I got a
litle bit of trouble for that one. Good on your Steve,
but you did, but well worth it. I'm sure well
worth it. I am sure just repeating the sad news
(00:34):
we have just learned of former All Black and All
Black's head coach Grizz Wiley. Alex Wiley has passed away
over the overnight at the age of eighty. Let's get
you to our regular Sunday catch up with James mcconey.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Hello mate, Good day mate. That is really sad news.
I really enjoyed Gris Wiley's company the times that I
met him, and yeah, my thoughts and love go out
to his family and friends. And the last time I
saw me as playing bowls and live on. Actually he
is representing a club down in Canterbury, but you must.
(01:11):
I mean the thing about Gres is he really was
a pioneer in rugby. And you think about the rivalry
between Canterbury and Auckland with John Hart doing all the
modern sort of fitness stuff, with Jim Blair as Wiley
was really doing it grassroots style with farmers on the
hills and all that sort of thing, but trying to
make that Canterbury team as fit as possible and as
(01:34):
well drilled. And I sort of liking it too, you know,
Rocky like he was doing the Rocky version and Aucklam
was like the vane drago, you know, the Doulph Lundren.
I had this movie reference lands with you.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It has landed with me, well said Maidend. Yeah, almost fitting.
Actually that that last night the Crusaders, the evolution of
the old Canterbury teams, went to Eden Park and gave
them an absolute hiding the Blues. Did you watch that game?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah? I did, and look it just shows that the
Blues they're just not the same beasts year are they really?
It's the game has sped up so they're big crash
bash burn bull does not really work in the current
climate of rugby. What's happening, but there's there's just a
malaise through the Blues and I think whether it's Caleb
(02:22):
Clark with his pending court case over the motorcycle incident,
you know, fleeing the scene allegedly from the police, things
like that I think can unsettle the team. I think
even Bostin's too too, clearly has been trying to leave
New Zealand for the past six to eight months. And look,
there's just other things I think contribute with injuries too,
(02:46):
but they're just not the same team and Canterbury or
the Crusaders, I should say, if there were power rankings
of the New Zealand teams on who's sort of in
the ascendant, it's then the number one.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Indeed, indeed they are and waking them up close last night, Yeah,
I think everybody should be a little bit worried about
what the cruise Sads Mike do. And you know, you
think about last year and the injuries they had in
the players they didn't have, and even watching Will Jordan
out there last night and what a player, what what
a player he is in could be.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, Will Jordan has pretty much given any hope for
a young, aspiring fullbacks. They just have to put it
on pawards for the next five or six years because
he looks like he that's his position, that's really wants
to play. He's going to get that fifteenth Jersy with
Razor as coach. So that's that's what we can see
in the future for the All Blacks, but for the Crusaders,
(03:39):
even the likes of Schaefee hockey. I mean, we just
saw macas Springer score five tries for them last week
and he reminds me of Damian Penno, you know, the
French winger. And then you've got Shafe Hackey comes in
and he looks you know, a tall, rangey, long striding winger.
There's so many weapons and also great to see David
(04:00):
HAVELI look, he just bossing the team around. The Captaincy
really agrees with.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Him one hundred percent. He was the other one last night.
I thought, man, he's just he's just a force of
nature there and just the glue in the back line.
You know some of who you know inside him to
Camerata and you know Cayle Preston young, you know, really
young and super rugby terms. He's got his mates Jordan
and Reese outside of and have rely's the glue in
there just a while. We're on Super Rugby. I thought
(04:27):
the Highlanders might beat the Reds but they didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
No, they didn't. And this is the one thing that
we can say about the competition and the one selling
point for Super Rugby this year is anybody can beat anybody.
It's as a really compelling competition, and I think the
style of play is great. I mean, we didn't see
I thought we're going to see another Caleb Tangatower try,
(04:50):
but someone like him now with the game sped up
and the gaps opening up, we wouldn't have even been
mentioning his name a year ago. So I really feel
that the Highlanders are on the right track with what
they're doing. But I think they were probably they may
have overthought things by moving the probably their star up
(05:11):
to date taver Cover Nawai out to the wing. I'd say,
I mean, he's your cotep and I'd say, you say
to him, what position do you want to play mate?
And he probably should have just stayed at twelve.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I agree. Again, we're in passionate agreement today. Out well,
let's seef we can find something to disagree on. I'm well,
if we stayed with Super Rugby, were the Chiefs lucky?
They were forty three seven ahead at half time and
only ended up winning, you know, much more narrowly than that.
I think the Moneer Pacific I got with an eight.
Were the Chiefs lucky or no?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
What's your rule on using cliches on this show?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I'm all for them, bring them on.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Okay, it was a game of too hard go on there,
and by the way, that show has been revived. It's
on Sky Open Thursday nights at But the thing is
that the Chiefs should be worried by that because they
they never rumbled in the second half. The Muana looked
(06:11):
superb in their comeback and they should have put that
game away the Chiefs. But it's interesting sometimes when you
see teams on attack, they look like completely different beasts.
But I would say that Damien McKenzie has stepped it
up a notch this year. He's putting his hand up
for Raser. He wants that teen jersey. He's going to
try and make Razors stop dreaming about Richie Mwana, which
(06:33):
will be tough.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It will be, yeah, because those dreams are frequent and ongoing.
I'm sure in the mind of Scott Robertson, Hey, cliches,
our year is a cliche. Our year, back to back
wins over the Sea Eagles and the Roosters for the Warriors,
our year, it.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Does feel like our year. Now I didn't think it
was our year, but this does seem Is it a
mirage because it could be our year? But really it's
probably a massive transitional turning point year for the for
the Warriors, because I think your show, even more than
a year ago, I was talking about Ali Latawa, just
(07:11):
hoping that he was going to be the X factor
in the back line, and it's taken him a while
to develop. You know, it's frustrating when you're a Warriors
fan watching teenagers like Bradman Best or whoever else. Bronson
Terry were his on drugs, but you know other teenagers
Lucky Galvin succeed for other clubs and you're going, we've
got one too, and he's getting into his early twenties.
(07:33):
Now when is he ready? Well, Latawa is ready as
a genuine X factor center. So that's great news. And
you know, we need a couple of superstars because that's
what the game requires. If you look at those big games.
But you've got to say Webby Webster is one of
the best organizers and he's got them so well drilled
(07:55):
that there's a lot to like about the Wars and
the way they go about their business.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Absolutely, roll on the Tigers a week today over in Australia.
A couple of other matters. I want to get your
thoughts on Sam Ruth where you had done Nick Willis
and Sam's dad Ben Ruth on the show yesterday. This
is quite incredible what this very young kid is doing.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
This is massive. You know, his races go viral. Everybody
knows his name Sam Ruth around in the athletics world,
just in social media. But what it's done as well
is I feel like athletics is on the rise as
a renaissance. In New Zealand athletics you can see even
with Hamish to Zoe Hobbes, all the people who are
(08:36):
sort of starting to excel in the events other than
just the throwing. And I mean, let's be honest, shot
put keep this on the map. But it's great to
see what's happening now in Nick Willison as well, of course,
but if you look at athletics, what The biggest resurgent
is also with run clubs. I mean, if you're not
(08:56):
on Tinder, you're going to a run club, right. It's
a way to meet people, and it's bigger now as
a social sport then. I don't know. You think about
the things that we've played seven of side soccer touch yep,
you know. Run clubs are massive and I think athletics.
Have you got someone like Sam Ruth as your pin
up boy and the kids wanting to normally look up
(09:17):
like you and I looked up to John Walker. Well,
the kids are looking up to someone who's their own age,
which is amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Absolutely. I saw you there the other night. You were
there watching him do that. I become the youngest ever
sub formulut milor did I see your your impressive form
there as well? Or did Was I mistaken?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And that was me there? Yes, I was blocking out
a bit of the flub light.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Not at all, not at all.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
We had our youth reporters working for crago as Wild
and they did a sterling job Jewel and Sofia because
we thought, well it's a youth story and it's big,
so can we can we talk to our youth affairs desk.
We didn't have one, so we created one and they
did a great job for Crago as well.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Fantastic. Just before you go, will I see you at
Eden Park tomorrow night for the All Whites final push
to the World Cup Next year you.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Will, Poney, the atmosphere won't be as good as too
thousand and nine at the Caketon, which still remains probably
the best atmosphere of any New Zealand sporting event I've
been at. For you as well.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Well, I'm so excited I turned my mic off instead
of on. Yes is the answer? Yes is the answer?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Well, that's the thing. And the one thing that it
cites me as well as a fan is this is
the first time since I was a kid, since nineteen
eighty one eighty two, that I can actually name the
All Whites team, the starting lineup. I sort of had
a stab at it before they arrived. They got in't
camp and I pretty much got all the outfielders. I
just didn't get Max Crokm. I thought that maybe they
(10:42):
might have given pulse in the nod but hey, when
we had an All Whites team that you could nail
down an eleven, this is a great side. I don't know,
I'm hoping that they'd get through, but I think if
they can, they might be able to speak out of
the group in the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think that is absolutely achievable for them. And you're
right about the team. Darren basically seems to have landed
on his eleven. Going to chat to a next actually
find out if there have been any injuries. But if there,
if there weren't any players who you know, didn't come
through the other night, I think it'll be the same
eleven tomorrow night, and that would probably be fair enough.
They say, you don't change your winning team, and I
(11:18):
don't think he will if everybody's aid his disposal. And
he's so right, James. You know, next year at the
World Cup, let's say let's say they get there, you know,
an expanded competition. This is the kind of team that
could get out of a group.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Well, I hope so, But I mean you and I
will be top on tailing. I guess when we're there,
so you know, well I'll be.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Hearing from New Caledonia then in that car, come on,
I'm looking for to it alrightal anyway, let's let's see
what happens tomorrow night, and then we can work out
accommodation arrangements and that sort of thing. Will that be okay,
fair enough?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, But I think that's on the cards definitely.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So get used to it, all right, James, I appreciate it.
I will start to get my head around that particular
concept in the next little while. James mcconey huge part
of our Sundays. Catch them on the autumnlive commentary Collective
Crowd goes Wild across your social media platforms as well.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live
to News Talk set B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talk sed B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're just our final text on the life of George
Foreman and the Rumble and the Jungle. Steve says Piney
in nineteen seventy four, for The Big Fight. I was
ten years old. My mom came home from work to
find half my class in our lounge. We were the
first ones to have a color TV. I got a
litle bit of trouble for that one. Good on your Steve,
but you did, but well worth it. I'm sure well
worth it. I am sure just repeating the sad news
(00:34):
we have just learned of former All Black and All
Black's head coach Grizz Wiley. Alex Wiley has passed away
over the overnight at the age of eighty. Let's get
you to our regular Sunday catch up with James mcconey.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Hello mate, Good day mate. That is really sad news.
I really enjoyed Gris Wiley's company the times that I
met him, and yeah, my thoughts and love go out
to his family and friends. And the last time I
saw me as playing bowls and live on. Actually he
is representing a club down in Canterbury, but you must.
(01:11):
I mean the thing about Gres is he really was
a pioneer in rugby. And you think about the rivalry
between Canterbury and Auckland with John Hart doing all the
modern sort of fitness stuff, with Jim Blair as Wiley
was really doing it grassroots style with farmers on the
hills and all that sort of thing, but trying to
make that Canterbury team as fit as possible and as
(01:34):
well drilled. And I sort of liking it too, you know,
Rocky like he was doing the Rocky version and Aucklam
was like the vane drago, you know, the Doulph Lundren.
I had this movie reference lands with you.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
It has landed with me, well said Maidend. Yeah, almost fitting.
Actually that that last night the Crusaders, the evolution of
the old Canterbury teams, went to Eden Park and gave
them an absolute hiding the Blues. Did you watch that game?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah? I did, and look it just shows that the
Blues they're just not the same beasts year are they really?
It's the game has sped up so they're big crash
bash burn bull does not really work in the current
climate of rugby. What's happening, but there's there's just a
malaise through the Blues and I think whether it's Caleb
(02:22):
Clark with his pending court case over the motorcycle incident,
you know, fleeing the scene allegedly from the police, things
like that I think can unsettle the team. I think
even Bostin's too too, clearly has been trying to leave
New Zealand for the past six to eight months. And look,
there's just other things I think contribute with injuries too,
(02:46):
but they're just not the same team and Canterbury or
the Crusaders, I should say, if there were power rankings
of the New Zealand teams on who's sort of in
the ascendant, it's then the number one.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Indeed, indeed they are and waking them up close last night, Yeah,
I think everybody should be a little bit worried about
what the cruise Sads Mike do. And you know, you
think about last year and the injuries they had in
the players they didn't have, and even watching Will Jordan
out there last night and what a player, what what
a player he is in could be.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, Will Jordan has pretty much given any hope for
a young, aspiring fullbacks. They just have to put it
on pawards for the next five or six years because
he looks like he that's his position, that's really wants
to play. He's going to get that fifteenth Jersy with
Razor as coach. So that's that's what we can see
in the future for the All Blacks, but for the Crusaders,
(03:39):
even the likes of Schaefee hockey. I mean, we just
saw macas Springer score five tries for them last week
and he reminds me of Damian Penno, you know, the
French winger. And then you've got Shafe Hackey comes in
and he looks you know, a tall, rangey, long striding winger.
There's so many weapons and also great to see David
(04:00):
HAVELI look, he just bossing the team around. The Captaincy
really agrees with.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Him one hundred percent. He was the other one last night.
I thought, man, he's just he's just a force of
nature there and just the glue in the back line.
You know some of who you know inside him to
Camerata and you know Cayle Preston young, you know, really
young and super rugby terms. He's got his mates Jordan
and Reese outside of and have rely's the glue in
there just a while. We're on Super Rugby. I thought
(04:27):
the Highlanders might beat the Reds but they didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
No, they didn't. And this is the one thing that
we can say about the competition and the one selling
point for Super Rugby this year is anybody can beat anybody.
It's as a really compelling competition, and I think the
style of play is great. I mean, we didn't see
I thought we're going to see another Caleb Tangatower try,
(04:50):
but someone like him now with the game sped up
and the gaps opening up, we wouldn't have even been
mentioning his name a year ago. So I really feel
that the Highlanders are on the right track with what
they're doing. But I think they were probably they may
have overthought things by moving the probably their star up
(05:11):
to date taver Cover Nawai out to the wing. I'd say,
I mean, he's your cotep and I'd say, you say
to him, what position do you want to play mate?
And he probably should have just stayed at twelve.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I agree. Again, we're in passionate agreement today. Out well,
let's seef we can find something to disagree on. I'm well,
if we stayed with Super Rugby, were the Chiefs lucky?
They were forty three seven ahead at half time and
only ended up winning, you know, much more narrowly than that.
I think the Moneer Pacific I got with an eight.
Were the Chiefs lucky or no?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
What's your rule on using cliches on this show?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I'm all for them, bring them on.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Okay, it was a game of too hard go on there,
and by the way, that show has been revived. It's
on Sky Open Thursday nights at But the thing is
that the Chiefs should be worried by that because they
they never rumbled in the second half. The Muana looked
(06:11):
superb in their comeback and they should have put that
game away the Chiefs. But it's interesting sometimes when you
see teams on attack, they look like completely different beasts.
But I would say that Damien McKenzie has stepped it
up a notch this year. He's putting his hand up
for Raser. He wants that teen jersey. He's going to
try and make Razors stop dreaming about Richie Mwana, which
(06:33):
will be tough.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It will be, yeah, because those dreams are frequent and ongoing.
I'm sure in the mind of Scott Robertson, Hey, cliches,
our year is a cliche. Our year, back to back
wins over the Sea Eagles and the Roosters for the Warriors,
our year, it.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Does feel like our year. Now I didn't think it
was our year, but this does seem Is it a
mirage because it could be our year? But really it's
probably a massive transitional turning point year for the for
the Warriors, because I think your show, even more than
a year ago, I was talking about Ali Latawa, just
(07:11):
hoping that he was going to be the X factor
in the back line, and it's taken him a while
to develop. You know, it's frustrating when you're a Warriors
fan watching teenagers like Bradman Best or whoever else. Bronson
Terry were his on drugs, but you know other teenagers
Lucky Galvin succeed for other clubs and you're going, we've
got one too, and he's getting into his early twenties.
(07:33):
Now when is he ready? Well, Latawa is ready as
a genuine X factor center. So that's great news. And
you know, we need a couple of superstars because that's
what the game requires. If you look at those big games.
But you've got to say Webby Webster is one of
the best organizers and he's got them so well drilled
(07:55):
that there's a lot to like about the Wars and
the way they go about their business.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Absolutely, roll on the Tigers a week today over in Australia.
A couple of other matters. I want to get your
thoughts on Sam Ruth where you had done Nick Willis
and Sam's dad Ben Ruth on the show yesterday. This
is quite incredible what this very young kid is doing.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
This is massive. You know, his races go viral. Everybody
knows his name Sam Ruth around in the athletics world,
just in social media. But what it's done as well
is I feel like athletics is on the rise as
a renaissance. In New Zealand athletics you can see even
with Hamish to Zoe Hobbes, all the people who are
(08:36):
sort of starting to excel in the events other than
just the throwing. And I mean, let's be honest, shot
put keep this on the map. But it's great to
see what's happening now in Nick Willison as well, of course,
but if you look at athletics, what The biggest resurgent
is also with run clubs. I mean, if you're not
(08:56):
on Tinder, you're going to a run club, right. It's
a way to meet people, and it's bigger now as
a social sport then. I don't know. You think about
the things that we've played seven of side soccer touch yep,
you know. Run clubs are massive and I think athletics.
Have you got someone like Sam Ruth as your pin
up boy and the kids wanting to normally look up
(09:17):
like you and I looked up to John Walker. Well,
the kids are looking up to someone who's their own age,
which is amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Absolutely. I saw you there the other night. You were
there watching him do that. I become the youngest ever
sub formulut milor did I see your your impressive form
there as well? Or did Was I mistaken?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
And that was me there? Yes, I was blocking out
a bit of the flub light.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Not at all, not at all.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
We had our youth reporters working for crago as Wild
and they did a sterling job Jewel and Sofia because
we thought, well it's a youth story and it's big,
so can we can we talk to our youth affairs desk.
We didn't have one, so we created one and they
did a great job for Crago as well.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Fantastic. Just before you go, will I see you at
Eden Park tomorrow night for the All Whites final push
to the World Cup Next year you.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Will, Poney, the atmosphere won't be as good as too
thousand and nine at the Caketon, which still remains probably
the best atmosphere of any New Zealand sporting event I've
been at. For you as well.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Well, I'm so excited I turned my mic off instead
of on. Yes is the answer? Yes is the answer?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Well, that's the thing. And the one thing that it
cites me as well as a fan is this is
the first time since I was a kid, since nineteen
eighty one eighty two, that I can actually name the
All Whites team, the starting lineup. I sort of had
a stab at it before they arrived. They got in't
camp and I pretty much got all the outfielders. I
just didn't get Max Crokm. I thought that maybe they
(10:42):
might have given pulse in the nod but hey, when
we had an All Whites team that you could nail
down an eleven, this is a great side. I don't know,
I'm hoping that they'd get through, but I think if
they can, they might be able to speak out of
the group in the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think that is absolutely achievable for them. And you're
right about the team. Darren basically seems to have landed
on his eleven. Going to chat to a next actually
find out if there have been any injuries. But if there,
if there weren't any players who you know, didn't come
through the other night, I think it'll be the same
eleven tomorrow night, and that would probably be fair enough.
They say, you don't change your winning team, and I
(11:18):
don't think he will if everybody's aid his disposal. And
he's so right, James. You know, next year at the
World Cup, let's say let's say they get there, you know,
an expanded competition. This is the kind of team that
could get out of a group.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Well, I hope so, But I mean you and I
will be top on tailing. I guess when we're there,
so you know, well I'll be.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Hearing from New Caledonia then in that car, come on,
I'm looking for to it alrightal anyway, let's let's see
what happens tomorrow night, and then we can work out
accommodation arrangements and that sort of thing. Will that be okay,
fair enough?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, But I think that's on the cards definitely.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So get used to it, all right, James, I appreciate it.
I will start to get my head around that particular
concept in the next little while. James mcconey huge part
of our Sundays. Catch them on the autumnlive commentary Collective
Crowd goes Wild across your social media platforms as well.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live
to News Talk set B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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